Well another year has come and gone. I generally view the end of August as my year marker for The Rational Male. I didn’t add a page for year 4 since I’m not sure I want to clutter up the top of my blog layout with links pages, but I may yet combine the best of years 4 and 5 into one page.
A lot has happened in this span, I began the Red Pill Monthly talks with Niko Chosky. I still think I sound like a nasally teenager when I hear my voice, but the feedback has been nothing short of amazing on these so I believe we’ll continue with them for the foreseeable future.
Right after my year 4 best-of I did my first liv appearance in Vegas with Christian, Goldmund and Tanner Guzy at The Man in Demand Conference. I’ve discussed doing another one with Christian McQueen and we’re looking into venues for 2017. This was just an overwhelming experience to meet up with my readers in person, do the talk and have dinner at Sinatra’s. This was the first time for me to do an on premise event and I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t a nervous wreck the night before, but every guy in attendance just impressed me to no end and the whole thing was something I’ll remember for the rest of my life.
I went through the process of having the audio mastered (courtesy of Sam Botta) to make it available via DigiRAMP for anyone to get a hold of now too.
Probably the biggest TRM news of 2016 was the release of the audio book of The Rational Male. It was a long time coming, but I think well worth the wait. I’ve come to believe that a book needs a time to mature into what its overall reception will be. The Rational Male book continues to sell very well and my focus has always been on emphasizing the printed book above all else since I feel that medium is the best to spark discussions and pass along to men who need it at the right time. That said, Sam Botta convinced me that men listen to books more than they read them so I thought the time was right and he’d just gotten back in the saddle so to speak after his debilitation in a hit & run car incident.
The book has exceeded any expectation I ever had for it and I still receive emails and tweets about how it’s changed men’s lives in the best possible way. The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine is also doing far better than I’d hoped if not eclipsing the first book. Sam and I are now in the process of doing the audio for TRMPM and I expect it will go live in early 2017.
The blog traffic continues to grow too.
As most readers know, I do very little self-promotion for TRM and I only advertise the book on the TRP reddit forum and posting occasional Amazon reviews on Twitter. I always want the the message of this blog and my work to be relayed by the men who read and contribute to it. I’m a believer in the bottom up plan for improving men’s lives and ultimately the social order we find ourselves. I’m glad to see men passing on what they learn here. I’m happy to be able to focus on my ideas and have men spread the word for me.
I’ve done art direction and brand management for over two decades now. It’s what I do for a living so it wouldn’t be a stretch for me to convert TRM into a similar commercial success, but that’s never been my goal. From the outset I wanted to just do what I do and talk about the ideas I’ve come to or the dots I’ve connected. That isn’t to say I don’t appreciate making a little money from it, but I’ll never compromise my message to sell more books or start a Patreon site.
I’ve had guys tell me I should quit my day job and write full time, but I’ve never really needed to be an author for my livelihood. I do quite well for myself and not being beholden to being an official author allows me the freedom to do what I do without the concern of having to write ‘for’ anyone. I know there are guys whose schtick is to treat their writing like a product and they tell you to write for what your audience wants to read, but I think this inherently compromises the authenticity of the real message.
My goal isn’t to sell books, it’s to genuinely change men’s lives for the better with the tools and truths I present in my work. The Rational Male isn’t a ‘product’ for salesmen to sell, it’s a collection of ideas that, really, we’re all responsible for authorship of. Ideas are a hard thing to suppress, and they last far longer than the men who conceived them.
Honestly, when I started this blog back in 2011 I never imagined it would grow into what it’s become today. I have some plans now to do a site redesign. I’ve never really focused on the look of the blog, I just poured myself into its content, but I think after 5 years I’ll freshen the look up soon. I’m also in the middle of the first round of edits for my third book, the working title being The Rational Male, The Red Pill. That may change, but the primary focus will be on defining what the Red Pill is from an intersexual dynamics perspective. As a matter of policy I generally refrain from being too prescriptive for individual men to apply their Red Pill awareness, but in the new book I’ll break this rule and provide some generally applicable ways to live in a Red Pill paradigm.
Red Pill parenting and family interactions in a feminine-primary social order will feature prominently. Yes, it will include selections from the blog again, but with each I’ve added what I believe are general solutions to Red Pill problems, plus more new content.
Well, that’s it. I continue to be humbled by the response and reception of The Rational Male and I want to extend my true gratitude for everyone’s input, participation, reading my ideas and helping me do what I do – even the critics and detractors make me a better Red Pill author. So here’s what I thought represents the best posts from year 5.
Let me know what your favorites were in the comments and let me know how TRM has helped you as well.
With much gratitude,
Rollo Tomassi
Interviews
The Feminine Imperative
Parenting
Red Pill / Game
Positive Masculinity
Hypergamy
Social
@Scribblerg “let alone choosing a different mate” What would you have screened for? What red flags do you see now that you didn’t notice at the time and how do you think you could have screened for them pro-actively? Obviously there was more to the situation than just her, but for a guide to Speed Screening this is the kind of life wisdom we’d want to hear from you old experienced guys so we can build a better system. @Anonymous Reader “This. RIght here. One of the men I know who was frivorced had this happen after 5 or 6… Read more »
YaReally Like, what about my non-white buddy who’s a plumber and is just looking to settle down and have kids someday. Maybe I know his brother, the Hispanic HVAC tech who got married, had a kid, then his wife frivorced him and moved 100 miles away with the kid to a government job. Last time I talked to him he’d quit his job in this town, put all his money into a work truck and was about to move to that town with unknown job prospects – to be able to see his kid. Scrib and SJW would just piss… Read more »
@Anonymous Reader
““Can’t quite imaging a lot of metrosexual hipsters like I see every day trying this,””
Also remember we’re talking about a guy in his mid-30s doing this VS a little squirrel 21yo hipster lol THAT guy is on the “hyperfocus on learning game and having more than one option etc” track. So the guy in his 30s might still be a metrosexual hipster but probably not as lame as the younger version of himself.
@ya The main thing is like, even though it’s pissing you off, don’t show it. Part of flaking is instinctively seeing how the guy will react to it. A cool abundant guy would let it roll off his back (though he might be less eager to make plans with her) whereas a guy in scarcity etc will flip out and leave her one of these: THIS. the end of this scene in 40 y/o virgin is so key: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZmwqpa7eB8 you’re planting seeds before you fuck them I think text game is probably one of the best ways to build comfort… Read more »
Scrib
@Anon – Nice to see you are still a tedious cunt. And of course, that’s not what Ya has been saying that I disagreed with, you jackass. I was correcting his false assertions about “the stats”.
Nice to see that you are still such a class act. The probability of frivorce is pretty much what I’ve been saying for over 6 years, dude, good that you finallly caught up to me.
Now, go get The Bell Curve and see if you can learn something else.
…. this circular shit show is taking a subtle turn for the worse.
People have different life experiences and different points of view.
You can’t keep asking for opinions, and then shit all over the opinion you get.
That’s why I choose to bow out of the main discussion. It’s more of seeking validation of a single view than an open and honest discussion.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Everyone is entitled to disagree.
When it is reduced to being only a one sided source of amusement, it becomes useless.
@ AR
Google” instigator”.
YaReally Same with Blaximus, what did he learn from his first marriage that we could form into a cause-effect-solution safety guide and find ways to screen for faster? Blaximus is fully capable of speaking for himself, however I do recall he mentioned once that for various reasons he got all down into his feelz. That can happen to almost any man, if too many things happen at once; say the first child is born and his mother dies the same month and he has to crank up at work to keep his job, or stuff like that. Seriously betaizing stuff… Read more »
Buuuuttttt….. Neither wife of mine displayed any red flags. My divorce was directly related to MY actions. I’ve spoken in detail about it a few times here. Because of lived experience, I practically plead men to Improve Themselves. Not alpha up bro, but self improvement. Everything short of that is a risky gamble. Guys could learn a hell of a lot if they would only listen and understand. Just likemif they read all of Rollo’s articles. A few times. The answers are all around you. I saved a thousand slaves. I could have saved a thousand more if only I… Read more »
@Blaximus “You can’t keep asking for opinions, and then shit all over the opinion you get.” Disagreeing that they hold up in 2016 is not the same as shitting all over them. And stating something that’s been written about by Rollo himself in multiple articles and is massively accepted throughout the red pill community (that “love” is a FI-conditioned feels-based label used to get men to self-sacrifice without asking logical questions that would demonstrate there’s no benefit to them) is not shitting all over your opinions. It’s just looking at them and pulling them apart to see what makes them… Read more »
@Yareally @Scray @ Rollo First time poster, you guys are the modern day Mystery and Style. In Alex’s Social Encrypted he went over the 4 Times rule that spoke about persistence and flaking. Because he said try to move the interaction forward 4 times then move on if not and that girls will actively feign interest or shit test that forward push to see what type of guy you are. Field experience confirms this because you’ll get flaked on consistently but on the 3rd or 4th push (sex, dates, number, etc) shit just works and the girl realizes that you… Read more »
I meant turn his son into a man, TV still doesn’t replace reality but it’s a good gauge on society’s values
@Scray: “”Text her again in a few days LIKE IT NEVER FUCKING HAPPENED so many dudes are into the ‘I NEXT THAT BITCH’ mode with texting and pre-bang contact”” This…A girl I was gaming gives massive IOI’s, then flakes and says “IHAB”. Me: “k” left it a month. Then shot her a text to come out where I was djing. She waited a few days and replied that she would come out. I didn’t respond. She came out, looking smoking hot. We danced, she was giving major IOI’s. I simply suggested drinks and she said “sure next time…” Door’s open… Read more »
Don’t cherry pick Rollo’s work, read all of it. It’s vast in subject and content and is better taken in detail as a whole.
@Blaximus “Don’t cherry pick Rollo’s work, read all of it. It’s vast in subject and content and is better taken in detail as a whole.” Thanks for the tip. Been reading it since back when he had like 6 articles up. Knew it was solid work even back then and kept reading. Been deeply versed in this shit and thousands of other men’s problems and shared experiences across the board for years before that while you guys were myopically focused on your own lives and personal close friends. Love has been debunked as FI-conditioning repeatedly, not just by him but… Read more »
Point made. Checkmate.
Let me see…. it’s 2016 and I’m still alive.
2016.
The world ended because it’s 2016.
Don’t buy it.
I didn’t go into a coma between birth and 2016.
Thank you fellow kids… 625+ replies to a Best-Of List? Anyway – thinking about the Final Solution to the YaReally question… – And I’m not sure there’s a good answer. Which worries me. I have skin in this game. To wit: I have a sproglette of my own, not much younger than the one parented by our host Mr. Russia Today. And I don’t know what to tell her on this subject. Now I have told her and will continue to gently instruct her about the modern SMP, in order to pump WHAT IS into her head. That I can… Read more »
Blaximus wrote:
Guys could learn a hell of a lot if they would only listen and understand.
Just like if they read all of Rollo’s articles.
A few times.
The answers are all around you.
“I saved a thousand slaves. I could have saved a thousand more if only I could’ve convinced them that they were slaves.”
– Harriet Tubman.
Truth.
@yareally called asian, no answer, she doesn’t have a voicemail set up. So I just texted her that had to work so i couldn’t meet up with her, we’ll have to try for another day, and ended it with stay out of trouble stalker 😉 so we’ll see what happens honestly wonder if something happened to her phone. its just really wierd the she dropped off the map after her “I’m in your closet” text she was hella playing along then like the other asian girl who I number closed at the mall later flaked, but she sent me this… Read more »
Google” instigator”.
Isn’t that a MOPAR product? Thought you were alla bout Chevy?
And what if, en masse, guys were Speed Screening. What effect would THAT have on the SMP? I have a freakishly good ability to read people. Women in particular. Within 5 minutes I can spot women trying to hide drug habits, carousel riding… you name it, I can see it if I’m being honest with myself. Friends constantly complain that I turn women down too fast for so much as ONS, but being able to read women that fast actually kills my ability to even fuck a bitch (like Trainwreck that I mentioned a couple threads back) and bounce off… Read more »
Very interesting video by RSDTodd on dealing with silence in text game and other stuff:
http://articles.rsdnation.com/text-dates-training-replay-coming-72-hours/
@Anon – I don’t keep up with what you say – I was addressing YaReally’s claims to have “stats” he collected “infield” which show a high probability of divorce. I simply offered actual data and refuted his claims. Funniest though? According to your own comments, you agree with me. So, please, tell us all here what is the nature of your malfunction, son? And yeah, when one is older and wiser, we get to talk down to fucks like you. I also demonstrated how to have a proper risk management POV. I then castigated him for Ya’s entire approach to… Read more »
” or even more severe ones like purposely dumping her for a few months a few years after your first kid is born, so that she HAS to go find out other guys are lame and find out how hard life is without you as she tries to figure out how to take care of herself and the baby etc, and then get back with her.” That would take balls of steel. lol. My worry would be that it cuts too deep and she would be content with a chode because he’d be more stable. But, I tend to dwell… Read more »
@Blax – Apparently your “field experience” is irrelevant…Only Ya’s is relevant. A fucking guy with a shit job, little success or interests in his life beyond getting laid – according to him. Never married. No kids. Yet he’s got it all dialed in. Tells you what your daughter thinks and how your marriages work. I mean, how are we supposed to analyze marriage and it’s risks? By only talking to guys who got married 15 minutes ago? The experience of someone who fucked up a marriage and then made another work can only occur over decades, yet this all just… Read more »
Congratulations Rollo! on completion of five years of TRM. Your writings, I have felt, give an evolutionary perspective on the behaviour of women as in the case of War-Bride dynamic, or Feminine Solipsism. If nature made women like this then what did nature give men?I wonder if men also have evolved any mechanisms to counter those female behaviours. If we are descendants of the top 20% of men of the past, why are the majority of us in this deplorable state today? How has nature failed in the case of men, while it has preserved the female survival traits. It… Read more »
I’ll just put this right here…
http://www.unilad.co.uk/nsfw/heres-why-anal-queen-asa-akira-might-quit-porn/
@YaReally
btw, I did write up that report in Losing My Religion, but I guess it got buried by other comments
Agree with Blaximus and Scribbler about the arguments being a shit-show. I do give a shit about others. “I don’t care about the happiness of others or the lack of skill of 90% of men” from me means that I’m not the one to donate happiness. That happiness has to come from within a man. If he can’t generate that happiness, then I’m not going to take the risk of it for him. It’s not about vetting for unicorns to avoid risk. It’s about those 90% of men doing something about their disadvantage, getting better, and if they can’t rise… Read more »
As far as vetting women, Joseph W. South’s (co-written with Franco) Practical Female Psychology book has a framework to work with that includes different female archetypes, self-esteem level and high or low sex drive.
It is a little convoluted and the book is a little hard to read unless you have the original kindle versions because of formatting. So convoluted that it is a little too difficult to cut and paste or summarize succinctly.
@yareally
“It’s still a credible number that leads to a 20% to 25% chance of frivorce for an “average” man.””
I think it’s a lot higher really. That’s a slippery statistic to pin down because all the new marriages (even last Saturday’s) pump up the ‘successful marriage/non-divorced’ column. Check in with them in two years lol. I’ve seen people (logical ones too) put the divorce rate above 70% when all is said and done. Among my set of 30-50 year old friends (mostly MC and UMC) I would say 70% is about right.
Open Hypergamy is not a social accident or the result of bad decisions on the part of women, Open Hypergamy is a calculated Plan for women:
http://www.wealthysinglemommy.com/dream-daughter-single-mom/
And the calculated model for marriage (which had reached the level of academic development in the 20’s) under Open Hypergamy is . . .
Anyone care to guess?
@yareally et all… A mini-FR from this weekend: I invite HB6 from the last FR to come up to some day and night parties I’m going to. She lives just outside the city so is planning on coming later. While I’m at this day party my buddies and me are hanging out and playing beer pong and flip cup. A couple girls challenge us to play. We try some light teasing and flirting, but they are super bitchy/weird. They’re with some friends so we casually start chatting with their friends. Since this is like extended social circle game (it’s a… Read more »
“And the calculated model for marriage under Open Hypergamy is . . .” The same whether it is Open Hypergamy or hypergamy that a red pill aware mans understands as AF/BB. Open Hypergamy just rubs it in our face. It doesn’t change the desire for the women to seek good genes, provide for her safety so she can raise the children as best as possible. As best as possible when brains were evolving was to at a minimum, keep her child alive in the foraging wild amongst mother natures lack of caring about them until they procreate more children. This… Read more »
@wala
Nexting…this is ONLY for girls you’ve banged or are banging and who are giving you grief.
Nexting is for girls who are giving you grief–whether you banged them or not is irrelevant.
Andy: “The whole point of this discussion is that we are looking for a way to keep the Dad around.” The way to keep the dad around is to have the dad keep the mother and children around by attempting to make it her and their Desire to be kept around. To be drawn to him, if he still calculates that that is still what he wants. You can increase your chances of being kept around by being someone that she wants to keep around and it doesn’t hurt your odds to have natural or learned game in this endeavor.… Read more »
“The desire has always been around for 50,000 years.” Rather longer than that. “It’s just that now women have . . .” . . . ensconced the theoretical model into practical law. So successfully that Sun now “chooses” it as his own model. as if it were his own idea, although it was chosen for him a century ago. “And whoever is calculating out the model of having children, don’t forget to have good medical health insurance for the mom and children.” What on Earth to do you think national health care is all about? “This needs to be accounted… Read more »
“What’s missing in the conversation about raising children is the ability of a Man to compromise his own selfish interests in order to raise children.”
Yeah, like sacrificing moral ideals like monogamy and marriage.
@string
“When are you free this week for some drinks”
mistake
Andy
You can screen for girls who have younger siblings or worked babysitting or nannying.
And definitely keep her home. Will cut off lots of trouble. My worked for the first 3 months of our 25 years… until she was pregnant.
And you don’t need a umc girl per se what you want is a girl that has a set of values that you value and a moral compass.
“What on Earth to do you think national health care is all about?”
I know you meant that sarcastically.
That’s what the idealism is about national health care. Good in my book equates to expensive and un-affordable today. It’s going to take a lot of practical maneuvering for a person to achieve what I mean by good to cover medical contingencies in a man’s plans for his future children.
@SJF
“Agree with Blaximus and Scribbler about the arguments being a shit-show.”
Along with sentient you guys made it the shit show it is.
You guys literally just avoided Yareally’s question……Didn’t offer anything to help push the conversation ……
Supported marriage in every way possible then said your advocates for not getting married…then went back to supporting marriages.
THEN GOT THE FEELS AND RESORTED TO ASSASSINATIONS OF CHARACTER BECAUSE you HAVE NOTHING TO SUPPORT YOUR CLAIMS ABOUT THE BENEFITS OF GETTING MARRIED.
love in the red pill lol.
“And you don’t need a umc girl per se what you want is a girl that has a set of values that you value and a moral compass”
Yeah, I just think you’re probably best off with a girl raised in a lifestyle that you will be able to provide or lower.
“mistake”
Basic human game, not PUA specific:
You don’t ask people if they want to buy a pencil, you ask them if they would like a conical point or if they would prefer a chisel point.
In answering either way they have already bought the pencil.
@SJF:
“Good in my book equates to . . .”
. . . having already bought the pencil.
“And you don’t need a umc girl per se . . .”
For the 90%, that is prohibited except for truly exceptional cases (Ahhhhnold).
The 10% marry for family. Women get their husbands from Yale and Harvard, not the stock room at Home Depot.
“Along with sentient you guys made it the shit show it is.”
Yes, we certainly did, didn’t we?
“You guys literally just avoided Yareally’s question……Didn’t offer anything to help push the conversation ……”
No we didn’t, did we?
(And I don’t support marriage for any of you out there, so don’t try it at home.)
Busy at work applying mastery to difficult issues. it’s hard. Maybe I should quit?
Lol.
@ SJF and Scrib
Cosign + 10.
@ kfg
I hear you loud and clear.
@ mersonia
Lol. Fuck you.
I answered all of YaReally questions. Honestly. He rejected every answer because he’s pushing a singular narrative, not having a discussion.
So please accept my unemotional invitation to gtfoh with that dick riding bullshit.
Thanks.
…. motherfucker posts once a month. Lol.
@Mersonia: “Along with sentient you guys made it the shit show it is.”
If I am not one of “you guys” it’s because Ya Really has largely agreed with me on this issue.
For those who disagree with him, even over the precise number of angels on the pin head, arguing with him quickly turns to the proverbial game of chess with a pigeon.
He has employed his own shovel in this affair and contributed to the manure pile.
@Blaximus “Lol. Fuck you.” Calm down tiger. “I answered all of YaReally questions. Honestly. He rejected every answer because he’s pushing a singular narrative, not having a discussion.” I mean if you could refute his claims…..but……. You said LOVE even after reading rollo….after reading red pill…. (the worst part is it comes off as some marriage = love XD when you put it in the context of benefits of marriage) @Kfg “If I am not one of “you guys” it’s because Ya Really has largely agreed with me on this issue.” I sometimes forget that your not SFG “He has… Read more »
Thing is, whatever you think, I am informed by some red pill , I define my life myself.
I don’t equate love with anything other than love. I can’t help it if you or anyone else thinks that this is rocket science.
Rollo loves his wife. Bet on it. Now, if you want to define love as a universal FI negative, that’s your opinion. Doesn’t make it true for everyone.
Understanding. I. LOVE that shit. Lol.
Rollo, Congratulations on the success. RM is definitely my go-to site for all Red Pill related insights, not only for you, but for your commentators. I have been reading RM, but not commenting here much, if at all for months, because I felt I really had nothing substantial to add and had to try and work on myself. I felt I was making some progress, and I was, but I also felt like…well, I felt like in a way I was trying to move forward while dragging a large concrete block behind me. I have tried to work on my… Read more »
@Blaximus “Thing is, whatever you think, I am informed by some red pill , I define my life myself.” QQ’ “Rollo loves his wife. Bet on it. Now, if you want to define love as a universal FI negative, that’s your opinion. Doesn’t make it true for everyone.” Understanding….. I can assume. You didn’t get love from a marriage. ( Honestly i don’t know if you meant you get love from her or you love her more or what when you list love is a benefit of marriage) I can assume that your wife would still love you even if… Read more »
Maybe there’s a chance that it isn’t just women than have changed since the 80s. There’s a clear divide based on generation here and it holds true despite all sorts of different life circumstances and experiences. Maybe it’s the fact that us younger guys simply WANT different things. Maybe because we were fed more bullshit than you guys were, and we’re extra skeptical of anything that goes against our natural drives. Just a guess. Maybe something else. I don’t know. You can help us. Or not. We’re going to do it our way. If we fuck up then the next… Read more »
That’s disingenuous. And misleading for newbies trying to swallow the red pill.
Redpill Game strategy is decidedly amoral and calculated with variable enlightened self-interest.
“Moral Ideals” is blue-pill-speak. And puts a noose around the neck of one’s sexual and procreative strategy.
Monogamy and marriage is still the red herring in the room here.
I think YaReally has the same problem I do. I can quickly enumerate a quantifiable (as in non-feels based, objectively bad) list of negative issues with marriage for men. No such list can be made for the positives. Like it shouldn’t really require a long post. On the negatives: During the marriage: – No guarantee of increased access to sex, in fact with good enough Game to actually continue to get sex in marriage you could instead find yourself with more access to more sex and more desirable partners. – You can’t 100% vet out all the characteristics that will… Read more »
Seraph
If your T is below 250, I would get back on T supplementation and try to aim for high normal rather than 352 or whatever. Get them to up your dose.
I thought that I was low T but I came back at 880 in my late 40s. I was just in a sucky marriage.
One cannot ever help another who rejects and scoffs at the attempt. You cannot help or save everybody, and that’s a shame.
So you help who you can.
This isn’t the first time I’ve run into a minority of men that are just hell bent on not understanding and sticking to their own narrative.
That is every man’s right.
Sun Wukong
my thoughts are:
1) don’t get married if you don’t want kids (lots of men don’t)
2) if you do want kids, maybe marriage is the way to go. (maybe not)
“Monogamy and marriage is still the red herring in the room here.”
What is the self-development part of our plan missing. You don’t think we get that? Where is our flaw there? Learning game, focus on career, practice managing harems, and practice vetting till at least until mid 30’s then start vetting if you want. You don’t think you’ll know who you are, what you like and what you want by then? Just because we don’t want what you want doesn’t mean we don’t know what we want.
As for solutions to raise children in a two parent committed household without the legal risk of marriage, there have been a few honest attempts on the thread to start considering what that might look like and that’s good. Summarizing how to make that work and presenting that solution would be the goal I think for the anti-marriage camp.
We WANT a framework for commitment and healthy child rearing that is not marriage. Dudes wanting committed relationships to raise children totally need this available to them. Like yesterday.
@sfer
Your point 1 is fine, I wholeheartedly agree.
Your point 2 is what I disagree with. I have made my case why marriage is a horrible idea. Bringing children in to it now means you’re risking ruining lives other than your own. Correct me if I’m mistaken, but that looks worse to me, particularly as a child of an abusive divorced family.
“Either way we’ll all be dead soon.” Now you are talking. Mindset. I’ve gone over this many times via Deida. And it applies considerably to your existential crisis, Andy. KFG’s recommended Alan Watt’s ” The Book: The Taboo Against Knowing Who You Are. Which is all about your going to die some day little ass in the grand scheme of things. It about when you don’t worry about being dead soon that you can really start living. So stop waiting for an Apocalyptic event to get you started. Time is a wasting. If you are already know to be dead,… Read more »
“your going to die some day little ass in the grand scheme of things”
well….that didn’t turn out quite right. I spelled you’re wrong.
…..and was meaning to say your little ass is going to die some day, rather than overtly call you an ass.
” Bringing children in to it now means . . .” . . . being automagically entered into the system, whether you like it or not, administered by a Star Chamber (the law is not what is written. It is what they say it is. It is private, not public, court, and you may be prohibited from talking about it under penalty of law.) You will have a number of obligations, you will have no parental rights and you will be assumed to be a potential physical and sexual abuser until proven otherwise, which cannot be done. There will be… Read more »
” Yes younger guys want more and have been programmed to want more by the Matrix code. ”
Bullshit. We were programmed to want slavery.
Interesting reads
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/06/16/fathers-day-facts/
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/02/18/the-never-been-married-are-biggest-users-of-online-dating/
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/12/04/education-and-marriage/
It’s easier to induce dread in a woman with few options, vs. a woman with an abundance of options (perceived or otherwise).
Naaah, just remember the alpha widow, which YaReally claims actually exists.
Seriously, this is a valid point. Can you can ping a girl’s emotions so hard that she only thinks about you like you have made her into an alpha widow? Kind of puts a high bar doesn’t it?
Sun Wukong
“Your point 2 is what I disagree with. I have made my case why marriage is a horrible idea. Bringing children in to it now means you’re risking ruining lives other than your own. Correct me if I’m mistaken, but that looks worse to me, particularly as a child of an abusive divorced family.”
If you are in a long term relationship and have kids, the women is going to move out of the NRE stage. Does it help to not be married? maybe. I honestly don’t know.
” Bullshit. We were programmed to want slavery.”
My condolences on your slavery. I hope you get well soon.
@theasdgamer: “Seriously, this is a valid point. Can you can ping a girl’s emotions so hard that she only thinks about you like you have made her into an alpha widow? Kind of puts a high bar doesn’t it?” I would say yes, if her interest level going in is high enough. Reminds me of my first Red Pill teacher from back in the day, Doc Love (his PUA tips are worthless but his LTR game tips were and are still solid), who in “The System” always hammered on the importance of female Interest Level – i.e. don’t bother with… Read more »
“Bullshit. We were programmed to want slavery.”
Trigger warning: Some might be offended by the use of the words slavery and/or marriage.
A safe space for your convenience: http://www.disney.com/
By slavery, I mean we were programmed to have oneitis and life a shallow unfulfilled life being the cuckholded provider for children other than our own. This by no means implies that all relationships and marriages are slavery. Sorry for any hurt feelings.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtFZcAuH-qI
Shit test
http://www.deltastage.com/SunScript.pdf
Thrive with confidence
@ Sun ( I’m not looking for a fight or an argument at all…just stating some life experienced facts from a different perspective is all ) During the marriage: – No guarantee of increased access to sex, in fact with good enough Game to actually continue to get sex in marriage you could instead find yourself with more access to more sex and more desirable partners. – You can’t 100% vet out all the characteristics that will only arise if/when Dread disappears, leading in to the next point… – A one sided contract that hamstrings Dread, making Gaming the wife… Read more »
@ Andy ” By slavery, I mean we were programmed to have oneitis and life a shallow unfulfilled life being the cuckholded provider for children other than our own. This by no means implies that all relationships and marriages are slavery. Sorry for any hurt feelings.” I don’t suffer from ” triggers ” ( whatever the fuck that means…newest society catch phrase, huh?). Go esy on the YaReally talking point about hurt feelings. Think for yourself. And again, my condolences on you specifically being a slave that is a victim of oneitis. I am sorry that you are cuckholded and… Read more »
@hank holiday
“I’m fucking pissed”
Keep cool. You’ve got Newbie’s Entitlement.Always remember that even pro PUAS like Tyler, Julien or YaReally (lol) who basically do this constantly get flaked on. It’s part of the game and you can’t expect to obtain pussy every time for approaching and having a good interaction.
It’s actually a zen paradox. Because to win the Super Bowl your reasoning skills have to be so impaired that it doesn’t matter if you get a concussion or not.
Another good read
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/230864758_Sperm_wars_and_the_evolution_of_male_fertility
“We just can’t grasp it.”
+1
” It’s actually a zen paradox. Because to win the Super Bowl your reasoning skills have to be so impaired that it doesn’t matter if you get a concussion or not.”
Lol. That’s a good one. Spoken like a man without an actual clue.
Love you anyway..
Shit!!! Did I say LOVE again? Wtf is wrong with me lately????
Must be all of that FI programming.
Picture that.
@Andy
““We just can’t grasp it.””
The SJF quote im dead…..
you could replace him if you begin talk of mastery
“Chess with a pigeon. I like that phrase.”
The problem with playing chess with a pigeon is that it craps all over the board, knocks over all the pieces, then flies back to the flock and declares victory.
@Blaximus
“Shit!!! Did I say LOVE again? Wtf is wrong with me lately????”
You can either take the blue pill or the Red pill
@ Andy
” A slave might behave in ways that please you, but you cannot negotiate genuine desire, nor can you extort genuine desire. Freewill is an interesting topic, especially in terms of intergender relations, but understanding the dynamics that promote genuine, unobligated desire is paramount to a good relationship.”
– Rollo Tomassi
I agree and Stress…
UNDERSTANDING the dynamics that promote genuine, unobligated desire is paramount to a good relationship.
Burden.
Lol.
“you could replace him if you begin talk of mastery”
@mersonia
Is that my golden ticket to the 10%?
“UNDERSTANDING the dynamics that promote genuine, unobligated desire is paramount to a good relationship.”
Okay thanks. How about some thoughts on screening.
I actually did a comment on screening a while ago. I forget, but I think it was like a 5 or 10 point list.
And I always pipe up on ways to screen chicks when I see a guy missing flags or placing chicks on pedestals.
I went to city hall just a while ago, because if I don’t earn and cough up several thousand dollars a year for the support of other people’s children (70% of the county budget, not counting school), I will be homeless, even though I “own” a paid for house.
Walking Marriage is the model. Maybe you won’t be a slave, per se, but you will be an assimilated.
Even if it turns out you don’t even get a Walking Marriage out of the deal.
And by “supporting other people’s children” I really mean “supporting women.”
@leonard lol I am pissed at my situation, not from not making progress or whatever I’d love to be able to go out to bars and nightclubs and malls and shit, see lots of cuties, and get burned the fucked out over and over again. You mean I actually have MULTIPLE places to game? You mean I can actually REGULARLY see girls who pass the boner test? Sign me the fuck up I got frustrated because I’ve spent jesus fuck like 50-100 hours working on this shit over three months, and its mostly been grinding it out at this same… Read more »
@wala if a girl is truly blowing you off, disappear. i just space out the pings more and more. if she’s polite about blowing you off, she’s probably just fucking/interested/both in another guy atm. in this day and age where women have a bajillion options, the name of the game is to always present yourself as one of those ‘lover’ options. who gives a shit if it’s today next week or a year later that you finally smash her? i mean, the thing is…once you reach ‘alpha’ status (think like top half of the top 20% of guys)….a huge problem… Read more »
@ scribblerg ” @Blax – Apparently your “field experience” is irrelevant…Only Ya’s is relevant. A fucking guy with a shit job, little success or interests in his life beyond getting laid – according to him. Never married. No kids. Yet he’s got it all dialed in. Tells you what your daughter thinks and how your marriages work. I mean, how are we supposed to analyze marriage and it’s risks? By only talking to guys who got married 15 minutes ago? The experience of someone who fucked up a marriage and then made another work can only occur over decades, yet… Read more »
from Scribbler: ‘Turns out that learning to game young hotties and getting the POV of older guys like you, Sentient and SJF, who are making marriage work is really helpful to me. I bet it is to lots of other guys here, young and old.” Damn right it is. @Ya Dude, you’re posts about PUA and some other stuff is really great. Game is one of my weak areas so I appreciate it. Buuuuuttttt…..I have to say that some of the old guys contribute A LOT OF REALLY GOOD material and info on here. You’re riding SJF’s ass about not… Read more »
“Fight back.
Get strong.
Get smart.”
Damn fucking straight.
@ Roused ” I still think it’s a REALLY BAD idea to even think about having kids unless you’re going to put in maximum fucking effort to have a stable LTR. Even then it’s risky. There are millions of kids out there that have shitty lives. Be a big brother, adopt or whatever. Making babies is dangerous and risky. It has the potential consequences of fucking of more than just your life. The life of kids can get fucked badly by shitty relationships. Just say no to babies. Marriage is only for the strong risk takers who got game, frame… Read more »
@Blax I think the biggest problem I have with the old guy advice here comes down to something we all have to acknowledge as true: If (as YaReally claims and I agree) even the best of the younger women have become far worse to deal with in commitment, then it’s impossible to meet a guy who’s had a long enough marriage to one of them to know what works. It means that no matter what you guys tell us works with the older generation you’re married to, we have to take that with a huge grain of salt. Perhaps an… Read more »