Stalling for Time

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I was made aware of a trio of rather noteworthy stories last week all of which I found dovetail nicely on topic together. The first was Tweeted to me about the new advent of artificial ovaries and how overjoyed our feminine-concerned social order was that ‘infertile‘ women might have a better chance of conception. The report’s subtitled perspective was, ostensibly, about how making a synthetic home for a woman’s egg-producing follicles could improve fertility after chemotherapy and help women with endometriosis conceive:

Women can become infertile after cancer treatment as the ovaries and the egg-making follicles they contain are vulnerable to chemotherapy, especially for leukaemias, brain cancers and lymphomas. Removing and freezing ovarian tissue beforehand to reimplant after treatment can help women conceive, but there is a risk that this tissue will reintroduce hidden cancer cells.

Call me a cynic, but I think if a woman’s had a cancer serious enough to warrant chemotherapy I’m not sure her capacity to conceive a child is really her most important concern. A noble reasoning to be sure, but another paragraph down and we get to the real reason for the excitement:

“It may be used by women who want to delay having babies or postpone the menopause“

The method could benefit other women, too. “When fully developed, this technology may be used in women who want to delay having babies for social reasons, or who want to postpone the menopause,” says Claus Andersen at the University Hospital of Copenhagen, Denmark.

Ah yes, the Holy Grail of bioengineered gender equalism – a safe and effective means of perpetuating a woman’s fertility well beyond all reason and concern for healthy parenting would otherwise mandate. Nowhere is it mentioned, or are we to politely consider, that women’s real reasons for wanting a safe way to extend their fertility has less to do with ‘infertility’ concerns and a lot more to do with their difficulties in optimizing Hypergamy.

Earlier this year I wrote an essay entitled Assurances in which I argue that women will demand that society and science accommodate and insure their indefinite fertility while they sort out why it is they can’t seem to find the right (and Hypergamously cooperative) guy with which to start a family. I began that article by outlining the recent worker’s benefit of ‘egg freezing’ some larger companies were offering in order to entice (executive level) women to work for them – women, we are meant to presume, are so absorbed by their careers that they need to dedicate their most fertile years to their professional aspirations. All in order to stay on an equal footing with hyper-competitive men of course:

The latent purpose of developing technology to freeze a woman’s eggs, for instance, is to cheat (or give the impression of being able to cheat) the otherwise natural process of fertility that women are beholden to.

The latent purpose of every pop-cultural trend that contributes to the perception that women can realistically exceed the window of their fertility is offered as an assurance that women have more time than would be naturalistically expected to optimize Hypergamy.

Ostensibly, the message for women is the cliché of ‘having it all’ – reassuring women that they can have a rewarding career and make a significant difference in their lives and the lives of others as well as realistically having a meaningful family experience later in life. The unspoken hindbrain message is that a woman has more time to optimize Hypergamy.

I took a lot of criticism for being so presumptuous in that assertion. How dare I suggest that professional women didn’t deserve to be afforded the same opportunities men, who peak in their own SMV well after women’s prime fertility years have passed, had in life, career, and family. The thoroughly modern women of today weren’t forestalling pregnancy because of any personal misgivings or difficulties in attracting Mr. Right, these women needed to freeze their eggs to have more time to develop their careers, don’t you know.

The Real Reason Women are Freezing their Eggs

Turns out, not so much. Actually not at all,…

They are often portrayed as hard-hearted individuals who are putting motherhood on hold in order to climb the career ladder.

But women who freeze their eggs are actually waiting for a man who is perfect father material to come along.

Researcher Kylie Baldwin, who asked a group of women why they froze their eggs, said: ‘I think they were looking for a hands-on father.

‘And it was the absence of this particular type of potential father, not just the absence of any partner, that led them to freeze the eggs.

‘It’s not just about not having the right partner, it’s about having the right dad for their child.’

Interestingly, some of the women were in a relationships – but froze their eggs because they didn’t believe their partner was father material and were hoping someone better would come along.

I should add a side note here and point out the importance these women place having “the right dad for their child.” It’s so important that they’d expect a scientific miracle to give them enough time to find this very important father. However, I’d encourage my readers to compare and contrast this to the complete lack of importance men are expected to place on their own roles as the biological father of a child with regard to raising a child that is not his own. You see, while a woman will freeze her eggs in order to find the perfect hands-on Dad to breed with, men are told that even when a child is not his own he shouldn’t concern himself with his own self-importance in breeding or raising that kid.

This study was an interesting confirmation of the assertions I’d made in Assurances – Women want an assurance of Hypergamous optimization. Egg freezing isn’t about medical concerns or even professional sacrifices; egg freezing is about Hypergamy and women’s increasingly diminished ability to satisfy it later and later in life. In the manosphere and in my book Preventive Medicine there’s an understanding that women’s Party Years, the years she rides the “cock carousel”, are dedicated to the pursuit of Alpha Fucks – her prime directive is generally focused on a short term breeding strategy. Women’s entitlement extends to the point now that they demand science extend this period and assure them they will have ample time to complete their quest for Beta Bucks, motherhood, provisioning and parental investments indefinitely, or at least as long as men might be able to live up to their peak SMV qualifications.

The women were predominately middle-class and highly educated and were aged 38, on average, when they had their eggs frozen.

Mrs Baldwin, a sociologist, said: ‘I asked them about what their motivations were and I would say none of the women underwent the procedure for career reasons.

‘Instead, it was very often down to their perception that it was not yet the right time for them to be pursuing motherhood for one reason or another.’

And, as you might expect, what article about women’s struggle in finding the right guy would be complete without shaming men for their reluctance to participate in playing the roles the Feminine Imperative demands they play in order to fulfill women’s sexual strategies?

The comments about men’s reluctance to commit echo some made by one of Britain’s leading fertility doctors earlier this year.

Professor Adam Balen, chairman of the British Fertility Society, said: ‘There is a notion that young men are not committed to relationships in the way they have been in the past.

‘Childhood for some men is being extended into 20s and 30s when they’re not committing to a relationship.’

Again, it’s childish men’s fault that women have been brought to egg freezing science. This then brings us full circle to NPR’s recent story about economists “puzzlement” over why men are leaving the workforce in droves.

“I wasn’t going to go back to work. It was almost going to just be a nice transition into retirement for me — a very early retirement. I mean, I’m only 36 years old,” he says.

And if he does go back to work, he worries about the prospects.

“Things move really, really, really quick [in IT], and I’m worried that if we can’t make it work, that I’m going to go looking for a job and they’re going to say two years out of it, ‘Sorry, brother, you don’t have what it takes to work here anymore,’ ” Rekkedal says.

Tara Sinclair, chief economist for job-search site Indeed.com, says brawny jobs are being replaced by brainy ones, and that trend doesn’t favor men.

How’s that for an interesting social cycle?

There’s a common refrain you read in both the femosphere as well as religious bloggers about the state of extended adolescence they believe men are extending today. I even wrote about this ridiculous impression of men’s clinging to juvenility in Are You Experienced.

Men forestalling their “adulthood” – a characterization that is entirely dependent on how well a man aligns with women’s imperatives – by dropping out, or otherwise not preparing to be a potential provider for a family a woman deems is at last necessary to her, are considered ‘kidults’ or extending their adolescent years. Professor Adam Balen in the egg freezing article says men are extending “childhood” into their 20s and 30s.

Ironically, you’ll find the most ardent critics of extended adolescence in the writings of Man-up-and-marry-those-sluts religious male bloggers intent on virtue signaling their acceptability to women who will benefit most from their ‘manning up’ and overlooking their Party Years indiscretions.

On the other hand, women wishing to forestall motherhood – a characterization which used to imply a woman’s entrance into adulthood – are never characterized as “extending their childhood.” Women who opt to delay marriage can always fall back on the unacceptability of ‘most men these days’ to excuse their own extension, or they are “focusing on their career.” Women can never be cast in any way other than Strong and Independent®. In fact, this is the first, default presumption we make about a never-married or never-mothered woman.

The Daily Mail article about the truths of women’s reasoning for freezing their eggs puts the lie to this presumption. Women’s latent purpose in egg freezing is to extend fertility until their ideal Alpha man arrives in their lives.

Then, of course the blame become circular on men – men not accepting the role that open Hypergamy expects them to already be aware of and accept wholesale makes him guilty of extending his childhood. Women then blame their spinsterhood on a lack of acceptable ‘adult’ men.

There is never any incentive for personal insight on the part of women, not even when she’s far past her reasonably fertile years, to say nothing of her capacity to intersexually compete with her sisters for those acceptable men. Nowhere is there an afterthought that acceptable men would actively avoid her or find her unacceptable for his own long term investment.

Advancing Gender Dynamics

Finally, we need to add to this the obscene amounts of on-tap social validation women enjoy today. I’m not the first author to recognize or write about this, but there is a very real psychological dynamic that humans in this era have had to deal with which no other previous generations had to consider. Our capacity for technological advancement has progressed so quickly over the past century (and 16 years) that human beings are scarcely capable of understanding what these advancements imply to us as a society and largely as a species.

One reason I believe evolutionary psychology will always have a place in the manosphere and Red Pill discussion is because it aids us in understanding how our minds have evolved and what we can expect from ourselves, or cultures our intersexual dynamics in the context of how we’re experiencing these technological advancements. I had a reader tell me once about how appalled his grandmother was at the idea of a sperm bank when they first appeared. Today it’s part of the scenery, but when they appeared it was scandalous to the mindset of that era’s acculturation. Fast forward from the 1960s to now; in just over half a century think of the tech advancements we have with us today that we take for granted, but our grandparents would marvel over. Now think about how those advancements are interpreted by our hindbrains in so short a time.

Communications technologies, and now a social media explosion, affect our very plastic, yet feral hindbrains in ways that our new globalizing culture can’t keep pace with. I bring this up, because it’s important to consider how women’s feral selves are affected by an instantaneous attention and affirmation that previous generations of women craved, but never dreamed of having this kind of facility with.

As the conversation is won’t to do on this blog’s comment threads, the topic du jour picked up on the merits, or lack thereof, of monogamy vs. legal marriage vs. pLTRs (primary long term relationships or ‘plural’ long term relationships as the term fits). I’ll be addressing this in the next post, but I’ll foreshadow a bit with this; sifting through one of his usually long comments, this bit from YaReally stuck with me (emphasis mine):

“But even if your Game is as tight as YaReally’s, try interesting a modern young chick in commitment. Go ahead. You’ll be in for a shock. A woman in her prime years is so high on a never ending validation train that she’s sure it will never end. Why should she commit? There’s no incentive to do so. She always branch swings to better, and better is always available before she’s even tired of what she’s got.”

You hear them say “I wouldn’t give up my social media for that dream guy”, but you don’t hear why they won’t. The “why” is what we’re up against. They are conditioned to think they will never hit the wall, Amy Schumer at 45 gets the rich doctor in the end, they have endless offers of commitment and monkey branch higher and higher up the tree in their prime.

I have fuckbuddies who’ve disqualified high status guys. and rich jacked 6-pack dudes for like one or two errors. My favorite was one who disqualified a guy because the area of medicine he picked to specialize in wasn’t EXCITING ENOUGH. So she interpreted that as him not having enough ambition. She turned him down for such a silly reason. But why wouldn’t she? She has dates lined up anytime she wants with guys as high value or higher than him around the block whenever she wants. If she takes care of herself the attention train won’t stop till 35+. Why would she want to limit her Hypergamous options by settling in her early 20s?

That’s why those girls look at you funny when you suggest giving up social media. They can’t comprehend any reason TO. It doesn’t compute.

In a globalizing culture where both science and social order is predicated on the satisfaction of women’s imperatives, why indeed would any woman believe she isn’t entitled to it all? Both technology and social reengineering have placed women into a position where their hindbrains cannot hope to interpret the experiences they afford, much less have the attention span necessary for the insight to process how they should best cope with changes they’re scarcely aware of or take for granted.

This post is the first in a series detailing the contrast between how our evolved biological natures conflict and cope with the changes our rapid advancement demands of us, and how our intersexual and social relations are changing as a result of it.

Published by Rollo Tomassi

Author of The Rational Male and The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine

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Hey Rollo I honestly think your website is awesome. Amazing articles on the alpha mindset and the mindset any beta male should have to acquire if he wants any sort of regular success with women. The problem I have is its all very abstract. I understand that this is the mindset I should have but how do I acquire it? Just reading the articles gives me an idea of what I aspire to be like but its not rewiring my brain so it’s second nature. My ask or question is – Do you think you could make some sort of… Read more »

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As I’ve told several of my friends, if I could do one thing to make it more difficult for women such as this, my idea would be to ignore abortion clinics and burn “for profit” sperm banks to the ground

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What’ll be really amazing is when all the women preserving their eggs realize all the guys they would want to fertilize said eggs will be interested in younger chicks by the time they’re “ready” for children. The shrieks of indignation and anger will be the stuff of legend.

You might be waiting for the “right time” sweetheart, but he isn’t.

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“A woman in her prime years is so high on a never ending validation train that she’s sure it will never end.” “why indeed would any woman believe she isn’t entitled to it all?” And frontline on teaching them this lesson? @Yareally, who I nominate as the first RM Feminist of the year ™. Why? Because he is our resident PUA, and PUA is a response to hypergamy, but not an answer. In fact, PUA plays to the FI almost perfectly! Yareally has spent a decade learning how to be any woman’s fantasy for an evening. He knows exactly how… Read more »

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@Via Vitae
Let me guess… you’re an MGTOW.
Amarite?

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@Sun Wukong “What’ll be really amazing is when all the women preserving their eggs realize all the guys they would want to fertilize said eggs will be interested in younger chicks by the time they’re “ready” for children. The shrieks of indignation and anger will be the stuff of legend.” lol this. “Yareally has spent a decade learning how to be any woman’s fantasy for an evening. He knows exactly how to give her those feels that she hoped for when she decided that she wanted to go to the club for a ride on the carousel. And he never… Read more »

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I am glad you know I’m not gunning for you, Yareally, but in the last thread that thought of how PUA, which is kind of the first “hack” that men tested to see if they could control this stuff has evolved in a direction that ends up helping the FI. This happens a lot with guys figuring any tech out, figuring out that you can make “Y” happen reliably when you do “X” is a game changer, but often the first step in a long and painful evolution. Obviously I don’t expect or want PUAs to stop. In fact, I… Read more »

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“where their hindbrains cannot hope to interpret the experiences they afford, much less have the attention span necessary for the insight to process how they should best cope with changes they’re scarcely aware of or take for granted.” This is the big thing right here. She wasn’t SUPPOSED to have access to this many options. It’s like extreme stimulus overload combined with the rapid pace of these changes happening (like I say compare now VS pre-Tinder VS pre-Facebook VS pre-smartphone VS pre-cellphone etc) combined with just not enough time to really process all of this and adapt. It’s like society… Read more »

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It’s like society took a bunch of kids and is just DUMPING endless candy on them and then we’re shocked they don’t develop great eating habits and have stomach aches and pick the least healthy candy, and then even when they’re tired of it we dump MORE CANDY on them

Pfffft, yeah but we would never do that. If we did then like everybody in the country would be fa–oh wait.

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/002/830/sad_frog.jpg

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@yareally I wanted to followup from the last comment thread. ““HB6: “Nah I’m not going out home with you.” I don’t really react HB6: “Are you mad or like disappointed I’m not going home with you?”” Note how she’s even flat out verbalizing that that was a shit-test to see how you’d react. She’s not REALLY not going to go home with you if you play things right, she’s just seeing how abundant you are, how outcome dependent you are, how much you assume attraction (do you bail or just keep having fun just assuming you’ll be going home together… Read more »

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@Via Vitae “This happens a lot with guys figuring any tech out, figuring out that you can make “Y” happen reliably when you do “X” is a game changer, but often the first step in a long and painful evolution.” The thing is NOT learning game isn’t going to make guys NOT try to get laid (talking the average guy not MGTOWs lol). We’re biologically driven to want that. Like Tyler says “the only thing worse than a guy who’s learning to pickup girls is a who’s NOT learning, because he’s not going to just sit in his apartment, he’s… Read more »

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@stringerbell “From her tone of voice, I thought she was super worried that she was going to lose me if she didn’t fuck me that night.” I took it as a challenging tone ’cause feisty girls will taunt like “you must be mad you can’t get me” lol Either way though that doesn’t make it not a shit-test…like, a shit-test isn’t necessarily a negative thing (despite the name lol). Think of it as “an opportunity to observe how you’ll react and collect information”, if that helps. Like, she’s putting something out there, something that might be totally legit, but what… Read more »

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@YaReally
Tomorrow night I’m supposed to go out sarging with the PUA bartender I’ve been hanging out with. Awesome dude that’s friends with basically everybody. Really looking forward to it as he knows the scene in town a lot better than I do.

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@YaReally:

Actually, I think switching the jobs hurts your case. Doctor is inherently a higher-status job than lawyer (or at least one with less negative associations).

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@Sun Wukong Good shit dude, remember anyone he introduces you to you’ll have value by DEFAULT. Focus on stuff like lasers and rapport etc, like ASSUME that you have value by default because you’re with him. And pro-actively join the conversation/interactions, don’t “wait to be put on”, step up and ENGAGE the people you run into that know him, even if you engage sloppy that’s better than not engaging at all and getting shoved in your head being the third wheel to conversations he’ll probably have with people he runs into. @mavwreck “Actually, I think switching the jobs hurts your… Read more »

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We face an interesting future,men.

We may soon see the day when the only intimate interaction a woman ever has with a man is feral, hindbrain-gratifying sex.

Every other need from basic resources to childcare to artificial conception will be handled by technology , government agencies and an enabling society of caretaker beta males.

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YaReally’s comment enscapsulates the modern equation so well. The result? Choice (or at least the perception) overload. From adolescence, women dont consciously know any different: Never ending adulation and pandering just for existing. Then the small, gradual, imperceptible, but accelerating physical decline. Like having a hand on a gradually boiling stove, but social media and culture blocking the signal to get off at the optimal temperature. In contrast, men, save the QBs, movie stars and natural alphas, are foreign to this and know the hard knocks of life. The equivalent would be 75% of the male population having 5-10 women… Read more »

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@YaReally

Also, nice neg by Tyler during the interview: “why are you licking your lips?”

RSDTodd in one of his videos says neg is any statement that would put the girl inside her head(he used as an example the “you blink a lot lol.” This chick starts qualifying right after that. Am I wrong?

@Korin

“I understand that this is the mindset I should have but how do I acquire it?”

You might find this usefull
(short version: the mindset changes through taking massive ACTION towards the right direction)

https://youtu.be/EwMgIiD0k38

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Fertility preservation(or Oncofertility) specialists call it the “new pro-choice movement” http://oncofertility.northwestern.edu/blog/2012/08/new-pro-choice-movement-fertility-preservation

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@YaReally, great stuff. Some very good concepts. Thanx. Also, don’t ya love it when manoshere geeks who can’t get laid come here and talk about how “PUA’s validate women for free” and “PUAs are feminists” “PUAs are supporting the FI” (monosphere dweebs- you know who you are!) Duuudes … get a grip! Instead of obsessing about the FI, deal with the MI. What is the Male Imperative, you say? Easy: “to get your rocks off regularly with multiple beautiful women.” Once you’ve got “the woman thing” handled, then come back here and espouse thoughts about the bigger issues. I guarantee… Read more »

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And on to other matters. As usual, the elective medical procedure business is hyping egg freezing as something simple and safe any gal can do to enhance her options. Of course, the realities of the procedure are much darker than the sunny literature from for-profit clinics would have you believe. It takes more than just a cryopreserved egg & some sperm to produce a functioning baby 9 months later. A 46 year old womb can’t do the same job that a 23 year old womb. Maybe that’s why IVF-implants with frozen eggs have an overall average 80% rate of failure… Read more »

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At 38, these women must be aware that their chances are slim. It must be desperation that drives them to this.
Most will end up in the same position as the childless women who have posted on the below website:
Gateway-women.com
Scroll down to see the comments of women who have missed the boat. But please don’t comment or troll the site as it is a sensitive issue.

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What happens ASSHOLES when the LOSERS sperm supply COWARDS is being FAGGOTS artificially suppressed PUSSIES by Vasalgel? Remove the all caps put-downs to see the actual point. I don’t really mean them. The manosphere seems to have a massive endemic blind spot for Vasalgel. I’m checking whether cursing you out like that will affect it. Women can freeze all the eggs they want but. . . . What happens when there’s not enough sperm available to fertilize them? What happens when the “oops”-but-not-really-accidental pregnancies drop to a fraction of the current rate? What happens when the false paternity rate collapses?… Read more »

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Sure that lady lawyer Tyler is interviewing is attractive at first glance, but you can also tell just from a two-minute interview that she’d be pure hell to be in a relationship with for longer than one night! Hell, I bet even the Uber home from the club would be a boner-killer if she’s talking and not making out with you. Yeesh

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Women who freeze their eggs to extend their fertility window into their forties and fifties fail to understand that they’re still going to be in their fucking forties and fifties trying to attract a high value man. Male sexual instinct does not actually care how fertile women are; it cares about how young and tight they are. This shows just how absolutely little women care about understanding what a man actually wants. Perhaps if they get enough plastic surgery and botox in addition to the egg freezing and artificial ovaries they can fool some men, but they won’t be nearly… Read more »

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@Via Vitae, Feminism has been around for almost 100 years since the Roaring Twenties. PUA has only been around for a more than a decade. To use an analogy, the hypergamy train has left the station 100 years ago and has been fueled and refueled countless times before PUA came along. YaReally is simply telling dudes how to hitch a ride to the train, have fun, then exit before authorities site them for not having passes. PUA can’t create and fuel something that has been in motion well before its time. Drop the snark and debate like a logical man.… Read more »

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@YA “So if guys are going to try to have kids ANYWAY, then just like we figured out pickup, we should put our heads together and figure out a better safer system. Because they’re not going to NOT do it, even a lot of MGTOWs are still dating. They’re not committing (usually lol), but they may want kids and shit but just not see a way to do it safely and/or will try to repress those feelings or find other outlets …” http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3787410/Could-babies-conceived-without-mother-Healthy-embryos-non-egg-cells-landmark-experiment.html The money quote from the article: “This means the extraordinary result raises the possibility of ethically-questionable applications… Read more »

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What happens when eggs aren’t as valuable as we all think they are?

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@Atticus…. Yes I read that article also. Basically any human cell has the potential of being turned into an egg. I don’t know if they have artificial sperm yet, as sperm is needed to fertilize the egg in the research. A uterus was still needed or at least used in this research to grow the baby.

The artificial womb (once developed) and the artificial egg may be game-changers in the future, which will redress the golden uterus and male disposability issue.

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The comments are priceless. My favorite from I assume a woman, “What right do we have to bring a child into the world without a mother!” Never a thought to the children from IVF and sperm donors without fathers.

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Working in medicine and infertility clinics in particular, the commodity of human life is frank, disturbing and akin to the new slavery of children. When women see children as purchasable, the life in the child is ultimately disposable. Treating women’s willed dysfunction is big business.

Prayer helps, but my hindbrain reminds me of the Truth. Just writing about it chills me.

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The egg-freezing propaganda seems incredibly cruel in its attempts to convince women to forestall childbearing. I wrote a bromide for young women that is chock full of truth but will convince nobody given the media juggernaught of disinformation. The punch line is you can always get a damn job but the window for childbearing is narrow and final.

Girls! The Work-Life Balance Plan the Feminists Don’t Want You to Know

http://wp.me/p6QFjS-3B

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With artificial eggs, the new fertility window will be based upon the viability of the uterus and/or limited by the bodies to handle the strain of pregnancy. With an artificial womb or surrogate uterus even that will be removed or displaced to another. It’s a Brave New World to consider when human reproduction at some point may on an industrial scale controlled by the government.

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I have some orthogonal experience here. I have two female friends who have asked me to be a sperm donor, even though they are married. One was on a “break”, and the other’s husband had testicular cancer and is shooting blanks. I suspect in the first case that the “break” was solely to get pregnant by someone other than her husband. In any case, I have at least two biological children, but being raised by other families. For anyone who might find themselves in this weird situation, make sure you go through a fertility clinic and sign the paperwork divesting… Read more »

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Hill is such a fat chode. Getting butthurt after being reminded that he’s exactly what he’s tried hard to be? Somebody send him a copy of Rollo’s book.

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Getting butthurt is one thing. Getting so butthurt that you cancel all of your promotional tour dates that have millions of dollars of other people’s money riding on them is another.

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This endless, fast, ever higher branch swinging – I refer to this as super hypergamy – it is old hypergamy on `roids. How can there be enough branches? Some chick swings into the top 1%. Then she climbs through that to the top 1% of 1% (her guy is now literally one in a thousand). Then a couple more (1% ^4) and it’s one in ten million. There is literally only one MSA in the USA with ten million men – New York (assuming a 50/50 m/f split – an assumption with issues). The next highest is LA, with a… Read more »

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@Blaximus I wanted to pluck this post of yours out of the last discussion and thank you for sharing your experience: „I have been in a position to have been able to observe some people that have been in the swinger thing, to Trent Lane’s point. My first wife and I were seriously approached 3 times to join in the festivities by a particular couple. We declined. I was able to observe this particular scene for well over a decade. This is why I speak of ” over time “. Even though there were rules and agreements, it still all… Read more »

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Ah, the Fertility Bubble. One more unnatural outcome of the unnatural state of leveraged equalism. A young woman will sign loan docs to the order of $100k in order to cruise through State U. without burdensome jobs getting in the way of study-abroad (add $5k of Chase Visa debt to the tab) or riding the Molly train around the EDM tours all summer. All while expecting her Gender Studies or Communications major to slingshot her into some cushy job writing grievance pieces for some clickbait rag. Or not. While the lucky few are perched their ivory towers signaling their virtuous… Read more »

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@YaReally Everything about how women behave is proof that they are purely emotional/instinctual creatures. Any time a woman shows an ability to reason, it is nothing more than a backward rationalization of what the feels have already established for her as absolute truth. This is why women do in fact destroy civilizations and should never be in charge of anything ever. The West is doomed as long as women are seen as equal to men. Until then our downward spiral will continue. Betas, white knights, and daddy government enable the illusion of equality to exist. Could Game be the savior… Read more »

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Nice post Razorwire.

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God damn man. The picture you just painted probably describes a full two thirds of white women with four years or more of higher education. No wonder white birth rates are in the tank in both Europe and North America. The girl power independent woman lifestyle is going to make whites extinct. An honest marketing slogan to women who pursue higher education should read: Help destroy the white race NOW!

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@Razorwire, standing ovation, man!

I got stuck in traffic this morning and got behind this woman that I could see was on her cell phone. That bitch did the “look up/look down/look up/look down/look up” thing for a full 35 minutes, I shit you not! The only time she took a break was to take a chug out of her Starbucks coffee cup. Only way these bitches will make good mothers is if they kids look like cell phones.

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@newlyaloof “…hypergamy tries to tell women that their eggs are equal to male sperm, a cheap, limitless commodity that will never run dry. But just like with any other commodity, the less of a commodity that exists, the higher its value.” Indeed. I see the story as working both ends to justify the economics; the unbearable cheapness of being is in Rollo’s title, “…Time”. I.O.W., telling women that their eggs are actually precious but they (can) also have plenty of time in which to optimally transact their hypergamy. The eggs must have high value because they are (a) unique to… Read more »

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@Razorwire, haha! “She chooses to dwell on her pedestal, along…” A pedestal hoisted and held up by split ends and white knight tears.

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“Only way these bitches will make good mothers is if they kids look like cell phones.” LOL. Bring on the EMP. I was recently at a wedding. Yes, those do happen. UC/UMC merger. My mate, 10 years her senior (40/30), is pushing for a couple more years before kids. She’s ok with that. At one point, she does the math out loud, “I’ll only be 32, that’s just right.” Her married-with-kids bridesmaids nod along approvingly, while holding back the wry smiles of knowing they have already secured their place at the table. Her single bridesmaids nervously giggle and (not) jokingly… Read more »

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@A Wise Man, The College Debt bubble parlays nicely into the Fertility Bubble, doesn’t it? The inversion of value is nifty. Education (present) value is higher than the (present) value of fertility. So borrowing from the future and delaying fertility is prudent. You’ve got all the time in the world to make babies but you need college (and the subsequent corporate slavery) now. When that plays out, simply go back to that same market and invert the sell: you’ve got precious little time to make babies unless you preserve your eggs. So its prudent to make that “investment” even if… Read more »

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“Only way these bitches will make good mothers is if they kids look like cell phones.” Demonstrably true…. I heard a study the other day on why all the kindergarten kids in certain zip codes all of a sudden turned into antisocial asshats. e.g. in one specific year all of a sudden the number of trouble makers spiked, and it persisted thereafter with all subsequent cohorts of kids. A teacher did the math and figured out that kids born to mothers who just got the newly released iphone (5-6 years ago) are the assholes. Seems moms became super absorbed in… Read more »

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Women are pretty good moms. Watching small kids is tedious work, and women do it as well or better than men do. Maybe moms in the last 5 years have become horrible, but that would not be the way to bet.

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@ Agent P ” A teacher did the math and figured out that kids born to mothers who just got the newly released iphone (5-6 years ago) are the assholes. Seems moms became super absorbed in their phones and failed to actively engage in their little darlings lives on an on-going and active basis. As such the kids have a stunted social development and are unable to appropriately regulate their emotions by the time they get to a collectivized school situation. Because mom had her face glued to FB, they didn’t offer the reassurances that infants need to learn to… Read more »

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@Yareally, Regarding the engage to win video. I feel as though men have lost the ability to actually rate a woman’s smv. What led me to bring this up was a thread on Sosauve. A woman is accused of killing her fire chief husband. The OP started the thread because he wanted others to grade the 3 pictures of her in the article. The first picture is of her and her (deceased) husband. She looks average. Dyed blonde hair, heavily made up around the eyes, but little if nothing around her lower face. The second picture is the best. It’s… Read more »

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@ollie She may not “look” hot to you, but in her own world, her perception of herself trumps YOURS unless you indicate otherwise. Most guys are just “food” to her and act like food. Guys can learn to NOT act like “food”, but it’s not til that guy actively tries to be the “predator” that they start to see where they actually fall in all of that. BOTH ends of that spectrum of guys fall well into her “Slut Skillz”. And she has shit tests for both. Even if you intellectually knew every thing you needed to know, some bitch… Read more »

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She doesn’t have qualifying shit-tests for the guy she wants. Only confirmation shit-tests.

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@yareally “The thing is NOT learning game isn’t going to make guys NOT try to get laid […] or try NOT to have kids.” All men should know game. PUA is one way to apply game. Probably the best way to learn it. It will probably always be the most accessible and popular way to apply game. By itself, PUA happens to serve the FI. “So I say it’s time to find a new strategy to offer them, just like we offered pickup to men who were failing at a system stacked against them.” Male strategy for kids? marriage. It… Read more »

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@ Via Vitae “…. and gangster rap.” You mean Time Warner? Lol. There is definitely something afoot that is bigger than ” just women “. I’ve stated that here in the comments on many occasions. What the hell, one more time – Women only have as much power over men, as men allow them to have. I understand the drive to find the perfect workaround, but it is true that one must figure out who(m) is necessitating the workaround in the FIRST PLACE, and why. The only way I cosign the ” Men are just fucked ” narrative, is when… Read more »

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Serious question for commenters here. May be o/t, so forgive me, but I’m curious for perspective –

Is the notion of a man ” going down swinging ” or ” not going down without a fight ” an antiquated, dead notion?

In 2016?

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“Is the notion of a man ” going down swinging ” or ” not going down without a fight ” an antiquated, dead notion?”

Nein.

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Excellent post, Rollo. It goes without saying that the Pill and liberalized divorce law was the first step on this path, but few appreciate its logical conclusion. Especially feminism, in the face of evolving technology. Pendulums swing both ways, and the reverse can be devastating. In particular, your discussion of evolutionary biology/psychology and evolving technologies is spot-on. One element many men (and almost all women) do not appreciate is the social change that will erupt when Vasalgel or one of the similar products/procedures is finally authorized by the FDA. For the uninformed, Vasalgel promises ten baby-free years for a man… Read more »

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Strange. I didn’t post a vid in my comment at 3:41.

I don’t know where the ” Fuck Pride ” vid came from.

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@othergrain noted. In the past, I’ve already fucked up on that shit yareally talked about lol. so I am looking to learn how to do daygame better and tone down my natural style and translate it into something that will be direct and clear to the girl through text. taking your suggestions into account @yareally @scray @walawala quick question for yareally (and others) — if I get her on the phone, how should I start that conversation? lol, shes gonna be like who are you, what’s this about. Unsure of how to do that. Should I say I know her,… Read more »

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@culum @yareally @forge @othergrain @habd @pua FR did a bit today, not much out there. very frustrating to not see girls I like, but I know they are out there if I keep going out. It just takes foreeeevvveeerr to find them. Got tired of the whole piercing girl stalker girl bit, so decided to go with drug dealer bit. No surprise, works much better now than it did 3 months ago. Now, partially I look more like a drug dealer (or at least, more like someone who USES drugs lol) but otherwise its just all in subcoms. So that… Read more »

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@Ianironwood I like your optimism. I also agree that realistic male birth control of that order will be disruptive – and anything disruptive to the current order is a plus from where I sit. Where I see male BC being most disruptive is not in the actual act of conception, aka the power plays around family planning, but rather in the interplay of the covert that happens prior to such decisions even coming into play. As it is, a woman’s fertility – or purposeful lack of, is covert. But a man is sending live rounds down range regardless of intent… Read more »

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@Blax

The notion of “Pride” as put forth by you is one of the principle manifestations of Male idealism. So no.

But in 2016, in the “civilized” world, we need to see where it fits in. Because it DOES. There’s a plug-in for it.

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this well-received comment on r/TheRedPill questions all LTRs:

https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/52norf/why_dont_you_have_a_girlfriend/d7lqxf8

Essentially YaReally already has the optimal lifestyle, so let’s keep trying to get him to change it.

(please do NOT add a video to this comment without a note indicating it was done)

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@blax “Is the notion of a man ” going down swinging ” or ” not going down without a fight ” an antiquated, dead notion?” Yes. Yes it is. I’m a loyal citizen and always do what I’m told. Red pill means shut the fuck up, work on approved forms of self-improvement, mule yourself out to hot, pre-wall women, keep your nose out of the affairs of your betters, and answer the door when the soylent-bot comes. In the last thread I saw someone say something about figuring out a way to get the girl “to keep the guy around”.… Read more »

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This series will be good… As expected the FI, it’s white knights, it’s daughter’s will do everything within their power to negate the inexorable effects of time & nature…. Plus the slow, but real trend of men beginning to realise the value of having, and, living by, their own MPO (mental point of origin). Dealing with women now is basically smacking down their gross omnipresent entitlement….from now I really can’t see how men, and our future sons, can live without enlightened self interest, strong frame, and a strong MPO. “Both technology and social reengineering have placed women into a position… Read more »

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@ Rollo

..ummm, not sure if I should say thanks. Lol.

But being a fan of Pulp Fiction, and knowing how Bruce’s character handled that speech, I’ll say ” thanks ‘.

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*sorry pressed send before I finished…😒

Whether they have (what men think are) the prerequisites to be a good mother.

Women think having children is equivalent to the ability to raise children….😧

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@kobayashi

I think so far all attempts to have children through parthenogenesis has failed….

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@Via Vitae

I’m actually reading through this thing called “Endgame” by a guy from a website called the Attraction Institute and I think that while it’s sold as a book on PUA hate, it’s actually a guide for how to de-condition yourself socially.

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Thanks for the responses so far.

C’mon gents. Pipe up. Go down fighting or nah.

@ Via Vitae

* taking a deep, long inhale *

Ahhh. You are a breath of fresh air.

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@Razorwire: 😁😁😁 Nicely written bruv!

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@Yollo: Yeah. I agree…just can’t remember where I saw the article…
Global white-knighthood is always trying to help further hypergamous optimization….
Remember whether it works or not in the end may not matter as much as the fact that they want to ‘believe’ it does…

As Razor and others have mentioned, fertility bubble….

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“Is the notion of a man ” going down swinging ” or ” not going down without a fight ” an antiquated, dead notion?’

I may be cheap,but it won’t be free,you will know I was there.

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Even if everything goes ‘according to plan’, consider being a mother at age 45. By the time you child is looking to college, you are looking to retirement. Does that sound like a good idea? No.

Schopenhauer was completely correct. This multi-generational experiment of women pretending to be men has been an abject failure. The birth rates alone foretell the future.

Um…enjoy the..er…decline. Hopefully it will be a gentle, gradual decline. Just in case….you may want to take up a hobby in firearms.

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All of the egg freezing, ovary manufacturing craziness only serves to highlight the insanity of women’s/FI strategy. Unfortunately, ” they ” will attempt to hold men’s heads underwater until capitulation has been reached. This time though, they may have jumped the proverbial shark. But I might just look into investing in sperm banks for future growth. We have a saying in IT that technology does not involve ” thumbs “. All of this pseudo tech will eventually fry women’s hindbrains. They will burn out. If we are lucky, maybe stoves will replace smart-phones. Fads have been known to be cyclical… Read more »

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@ stuff ” I may be cheap,but it won’t be free,you will know I was there.” oh man do I cosign. Once I was chased home by 3 guys when I was about 12 or so. I kissed this dudes girlfriend at a party. Kissed her hard and long. The guy grabbed 2 friends and chased my as 10 blocks. I was fast as a cheetah, and reached my door ahead of them. My uncle June met me at the door.He wouldn’t let me inside. ” Are you RUNNING from someone?” Yes!!! Let me in!!!! ” You don’t run from… Read more »

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@stuffin

“I may be cheap,but it won’t be free,you will know I was there.”

I think what the rich 10 percent who date contextual unicorns and sell alcohol for a living are getting at is that such a mentality is the domain of the 90% chaff.

If you’re fighting so others know “you were there”, you’re already without options. The opponent in that scenario is leagues above that.

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” Weeellll….you might be going to the hospital then. Tell you what, pick one of them and kick the shit out of him. At least make sure ONE of them is in the hospital bed next to yours “.

See stuffin? THIS is what I’m talking about. Like a good little soldier. You could argue that Uncle June was teaching Blax about consequences.

However, I doubt Rollo would see it that way.

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No offence to you.

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https://therationalmale.com/2016/09/13/stalling-for-time/#comment-169623

Thanks lol

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@ Yollo ” No offence to you.” Lol. None taken bro. I get that ” fighting ” is looked down upon in 2016 culture. ZFG. It’s too late to save meeee….. What Uncle June was teaching me was not to be afraid. I was scared shitless, but in the end I made out okay, considering the numbers. I believe all men should be capable of defending themselves. I will NEVER concede this. If your world consists of all ” really nice folks ” who eschew violence, that is all well and good until you tangle with someone who doesn’t believe… Read more »

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@Razorwire: While you may be correct, don’t forget the importance of consensus reality for women. If a few of them are suddenly terrified that they will never become wives and mothers, that fear spreads out of all proportions. Don’t forget that when The Pill was made available in the 1960s, it was originally touted as a “family planning measure”, allowing married couples to have sex without fear of unplanned pregnancy. That lasted all of five minutes, as the film “Prudence And The Pill” demonstrates. Vasalgel could have a similar unanticipated effect. Despite the protests from the radical feminists, however, demand… Read more »

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“The guy grabbed 2 friends and chased my as 10 blocks. I was fast as a cheetah, and reached my door ahead of them. My uncle June met me at the door.He wouldn’t let me inside.” Four years of parocial school,programed me to turn the other cheek.I could out run em to.Choose your battles,right? Two guys ran me down on a motorbike,,got a good bloody nose,never again did I turn the other cheek when things get physical it is time to takala. Eventualy I learned to turn the other cheek before things got physical. OP Yes this late life parenting… Read more »

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@Blax

As a martial artist myself, I agree, all people should know how to fight.

But they should teach you why we fight. So nobody gets the idea that fighters ever go obsolete.

My fights have mostly been mental ones. I had lots of bullies growing up, but the ones who did the most damage were the ones who had game principles and could out-think me.

But thinking and fighting are one and the same. You fight to live and think to live.

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@Yollo “See stuffin? THIS is what I’m talking about. Like a good little soldier. You could argue that Uncle June was teaching Blax about consequences. However, I doubt Rollo would see it that way.” I wouldn”t say this is about consequences so much as facing your problems head on,or dealing with fear,instead of running away. Once a person makes a habit of running,his neck gets sore from looking over his shoulder.Even a small guy won’t get fucked with if people realize that he will fight back.. Can’t speak for Rollo,myself but I would bet people don’t chase him around,and not… Read more »

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How tough is a guy named June gona be.My name is sue how do you do.

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An interesting question to pose to the women might be: “how old will this wonderful hands-on dad be”?

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@ stuff ” June ” was short for Junior ( like in the Sopranos ). He was James on his birth certificate, named after his father. Uncle June was 6’6″, and went ( I’d guess ) around 230 lbs. I used to tell him that I couldn’t wait to grow up big and strong so no one would mess with me. He ALWAYS said ” No one will mess with you now, if you don’t let them “. I never did grow up big like him at 6 ft even. I am mostly the ” runt ” of the males… Read more »

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That’s good for his parents James is a much better name for a 20th century american male than june.

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“An interesting question to pose to the women might be: “how old will this wonderful hands-on dad be”?”

Reminds me of the guy that never got married,he was looking for the perfect woman..He thought he may have found her once,but it turned out she was looking for the perfect man.

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To your survey question re fighting.

It is fading… But the embers are still hot.

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@Blaximus “C’mon gents. Pipe up. Go down fighting or nah.” Since you asked lol: Give us a reason/benefit to it. Not being flippant. We grew up being told what to do by the FI without asking questions. We acted like Nice Guys and it got us fuck all. We stood up for ourselves and got punished for it. We married and got divorce-raped. We trusted our government and got fucked. We trusted the media and are learning it’s as corrupt as can be. We put our heads down and did our work like good little employees and got fired or… Read more »

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