Well another year has come and gone. I generally view the end of August as my year marker for The Rational Male. I didn’t add a page for year 4 since I’m not sure I want to clutter up the top of my blog layout with links pages, but I may yet combine the best of years 4 and 5 into one page.
A lot has happened in this span, I began the Red Pill Monthly talks with Niko Chosky. I still think I sound like a nasally teenager when I hear my voice, but the feedback has been nothing short of amazing on these so I believe we’ll continue with them for the foreseeable future.
Right after my year 4 best-of I did my first liv appearance in Vegas with Christian, Goldmund and Tanner Guzy at The Man in Demand Conference. I’ve discussed doing another one with Christian McQueen and we’re looking into venues for 2017. This was just an overwhelming experience to meet up with my readers in person, do the talk and have dinner at Sinatra’s. This was the first time for me to do an on premise event and I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t a nervous wreck the night before, but every guy in attendance just impressed me to no end and the whole thing was something I’ll remember for the rest of my life.
I went through the process of having the audio mastered (courtesy of Sam Botta) to make it available via DigiRAMP for anyone to get a hold of now too.
Probably the biggest TRM news of 2016 was the release of the audio book of The Rational Male. It was a long time coming, but I think well worth the wait. I’ve come to believe that a book needs a time to mature into what its overall reception will be. The Rational Male book continues to sell very well and my focus has always been on emphasizing the printed book above all else since I feel that medium is the best to spark discussions and pass along to men who need it at the right time. That said, Sam Botta convinced me that men listen to books more than they read them so I thought the time was right and he’d just gotten back in the saddle so to speak after his debilitation in a hit & run car incident.
The book has exceeded any expectation I ever had for it and I still receive emails and tweets about how it’s changed men’s lives in the best possible way. The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine is also doing far better than I’d hoped if not eclipsing the first book. Sam and I are now in the process of doing the audio for TRMPM and I expect it will go live in early 2017.
The blog traffic continues to grow too.
As most readers know, I do very little self-promotion for TRM and I only advertise the book on the TRP reddit forum and posting occasional Amazon reviews on Twitter. I always want the the message of this blog and my work to be relayed by the men who read and contribute to it. I’m a believer in the bottom up plan for improving men’s lives and ultimately the social order we find ourselves. I’m glad to see men passing on what they learn here. I’m happy to be able to focus on my ideas and have men spread the word for me.
I’ve done art direction and brand management for over two decades now. It’s what I do for a living so it wouldn’t be a stretch for me to convert TRM into a similar commercial success, but that’s never been my goal. From the outset I wanted to just do what I do and talk about the ideas I’ve come to or the dots I’ve connected. That isn’t to say I don’t appreciate making a little money from it, but I’ll never compromise my message to sell more books or start a Patreon site.
I’ve had guys tell me I should quit my day job and write full time, but I’ve never really needed to be an author for my livelihood. I do quite well for myself and not being beholden to being an official author allows me the freedom to do what I do without the concern of having to write ‘for’ anyone. I know there are guys whose schtick is to treat their writing like a product and they tell you to write for what your audience wants to read, but I think this inherently compromises the authenticity of the real message.
My goal isn’t to sell books, it’s to genuinely change men’s lives for the better with the tools and truths I present in my work. The Rational Male isn’t a ‘product’ for salesmen to sell, it’s a collection of ideas that, really, we’re all responsible for authorship of. Ideas are a hard thing to suppress, and they last far longer than the men who conceived them.
Honestly, when I started this blog back in 2011 I never imagined it would grow into what it’s become today. I have some plans now to do a site redesign. I’ve never really focused on the look of the blog, I just poured myself into its content, but I think after 5 years I’ll freshen the look up soon. I’m also in the middle of the first round of edits for my third book, the working title being The Rational Male, The Red Pill. That may change, but the primary focus will be on defining what the Red Pill is from an intersexual dynamics perspective. As a matter of policy I generally refrain from being too prescriptive for individual men to apply their Red Pill awareness, but in the new book I’ll break this rule and provide some generally applicable ways to live in a Red Pill paradigm.
Red Pill parenting and family interactions in a feminine-primary social order will feature prominently. Yes, it will include selections from the blog again, but with each I’ve added what I believe are general solutions to Red Pill problems, plus more new content.
Well, that’s it. I continue to be humbled by the response and reception of The Rational Male and I want to extend my true gratitude for everyone’s input, participation, reading my ideas and helping me do what I do – even the critics and detractors make me a better Red Pill author. So here’s what I thought represents the best posts from year 5.
Let me know what your favorites were in the comments and let me know how TRM has helped you as well.
With much gratitude,
Rollo Tomassi
Interviews
The Feminine Imperative
Parenting
Red Pill / Game
Positive Masculinity
Hypergamy
Social
and to develop on that, imagine what getting a divorce does do a guy whose role as a husband (and all the obligations that come with it) is at the core of his identity.
No wonder so many guys kill themselves in this situ. It’s not just the sudden lack of sex and companionship, but probably also that their whole reason for living is gone
“Cosign.”
Once class becomes caste, mobility essentially ceases.
Depending on who you ask, we are either the most obese society ever, or the most fit society ever. It just depends on which end of the microscope you are looking through. But the spectrum is disappearing.
The shift to Eloi and Morlock is on. All over the place.
For people looking to help the 90% of men who haul block, “class up” is ceasing to be a valid strategy.
@Trent Lane AGAIN thanks for participating. This is literally exactly the type of thing I THOUGHT everyone would be excited to do off the initial discussion topic. I didn’t expect to run into having to convince people legal marriage and promised monogamy and taking needless risks with no tangible rewards that can’t be obtained in other ways, were not optimal beneficial things for men lol This is all I’ve been wanting…let’s look at potential strategies and figure out the pros and cons of them, combining all our knowledge of attraction, experience in relationships, marriages, etc and find a better system… Read more »
Adding to Trent’s excellent suggestions, I would like to ask the dads in the assistance the following : Do you think that it would damage your kid’s development if you (his dad) were to spend 1-2 nights a month “away with your buddy” (aka banging a FB). Other question : if you can pull that off, at around what age would you consider telling him/her about your open arrangement with their mum? Honest questions, I have never raised a kid, so I’m asking for the input of you guys. I’m interested in trying to find ways to raise a child… Read more »
Anonymous Reader “Sentient Cortes is an example of incentives and motivation. Dude. Cortez lost to the Aztecs. His plan failed. Incentives and motivation lead to a disaster that nearly got the entire expedition wiped out.” Sentient, doubling down on a near-loser: Having the boats serviced and ready to go at a moments notice would have helped conquest or retreat? Who knows? Who cares? Your statement about Cortez is just wrong. His piss-poor leadership in Tenochticlan nearly got his entire expedition wiped out. If the other Indian nations in the area had just stood aside, he’d have been obliterated. Cortez won… Read more »
And from what I am seeing, I would say that the situation is not as bad as the Manosphere argues. At least not in the Upper Middle Class white world that I live in. Gawsh, Thad, that’s simply ripping. I must remember to tell Mumsy the next time I’m out in the Hamptons. Here, practice saying this: “Let them eat cake”. As I have observed repeatedly, turning “marriage” into something that the UMC and religious people do means that the majority of men won’t It means that the majority of people won’t. So if the US slowly slides down into… Read more »
@ Klem I’m not riled up about the emotion about being a husband being a part of my identity. I’m riled up about the logic of masculine principles. It has been said many times before in this thread by me and re-iterated by Sentient that marriage and monogamy is a red-herring in this discussion. If he decides that he will pass on a fantastic girl because he doesn’t want to get married and that in “my Realm of UMC”(TM) is what it would take to lock her down (for any reason), then I would be pissed. But then again, I’m… Read more »
sorry for the boldness, forgot to
“As I have observed repeatedly, turning “marriage” into something that the UMC and religious people do means that the majority of men won’t It means that the majority of people won’t.” I’m not religious, but it is an observation that is backed up by populations surveys. Last time I checked the marriage and non-divorced percentage is high. Very high. And it is very observable all around me. The importance of this SJF high horse-ness: If you want to have a relationship you choose, look to those who are successful at that Game, whether it be YaReally or Blaximus. Does this… Read more »
@Trent Lane I’m still sick so I’m stuck inside tonight again 🙁 and will get to your other points on the strategy but got distracted by this bit lol @Klem “Yeah, this whole conversation has bugged me a lot too lol I also you think there is another (but connected) you get such an intense pushback.” Oh ya there’s a ton of little dynamics going on here that are interesting as fuck because I didn’t expect to see them here lol “You can feel that Blax, SJF etc are really RILED UP by your arguments, and that this emotion is… Read more »
Anonymous Reader
“Who knows? Who cares? ”
Well there is a rejoinder… and a sterling example of “reasoning skills” on display. Thanks.
You know that scuttling the boats was not invented by Cortes right? That it was a tactic?
@ Sam Botta
Thank you very much for the kind words. Appreciated.
@SJF @kfg “For people looking to help the 90% of men who haul block, “class up” is ceasing to be a valid strategy.” This. Like it’s great if you were born into the perfect culture for this, that’s awesome, I hope it works out for you. But the rest of men out there aren’t and need solutions. You don’t HAVE to care about them because they’re beneath you, but I don’t think disregarding them as not worth caring about is a very “virtuous” way to view your fellow man in general. @Klem “Honest questions, I have never raised a kid,… Read more »
Wow, can’t believe this discussion is going on for six pages. First of all, congrats to Rollo on five years. Second, sorry to see YaReally and Blaximus at each other’s throats, two commenters who I enjoy here. I see both sides of it and Ya and Blax are just talking past each other. Nobody has come up with a decent analogy for marriage in 2016 (the bear shitting on your face was funny, the riding a bike at 140 was just stupid). Let me try my hand: Marriage in 2016 is like an industry that was disrupted by the internet.… Read more »
@Trent Lane Once again, thanks for answering so we can have an actual discussion on strategy. “– Suggestion: After initially getting your partner pregnant early, ideally keeping her pregnant again during critical phases of the LTR aka the seven year itch.” Right, if you could screen/vett in 2 years and make enough of an educated guess to knock her up while she’s still in the NRE stage (and is more likely to be open to putting her career on hold etc than when she’s out of the NRE stage or bored around the 7 year mark which is what a… Read more »
@ Klem If you are opining and you really want to know, and are willing to accept an answer, I’d be happy to oblige. Otherwise my patience for the roiling shit show is pretty much done. ” Yeah, this whole conversation has bugged me a lot too lol I also you think there is another (but connected) you get such an intense pushback. You can feel that Blax, SJF etc are really RILED UP by your arguments, and that this emotion is stronger than the one you feel when you are just proven wrong in a logical argument. I think… Read more »
@MeadowLarkLemon
Even if YaReally and I bump heads and call each other mean and snarky names, he is still a man that has helped me gain understanding in many ways.
If he is indeed an asshole, he is my loveable asshole.
So if you see me type ” YaReally, you go fuck yourself!!!”, I mean for a short time. I don’t want him to go fuck himself forever. That shit would be tragic.
We are just in a place of strong disagreement. It happens.
@MeadowLarkLemon
Your analogy is fucking awesome!!!!
@Trent Lane Just to stress again: thank-you for answering and participating in the dicussion, this is all I was looking for when I first proposed the questions. I didn’t want that big sidetrack lol I thought we’d be discussing stuff like this in the first few replies. “– Suggestion: You may have to accept that she will/have to stray some time past the NRE stage to realize other dudes are dull shit compared to you and come back.” Right…we know Hypergamy needs to choose the highest-value option and we know they’re being bombarded with options (that from afar LOOK like… Read more »
@Blaximus “I also know that a vast majority of men love harder, deeper and longer ( on average ) than most women do. Yes, I said ” love “. real men do ” love “. Whether or not that is a positive thing is debatable, but the fact of it is not.” Absolutely. Like Rollo’s written, men are the true romantics. Women by default love conditionally (again as Rollo has writtena bout)…and in 2016 all of society is devaluing what marriage means compared to what it meant to you (and may still mean in the UMC circles). We need new… Read more »
GB_Hill “would he be able to generate the dread game and the upper hand that he undoubtedly does given that all his ONS must make his daily frame and subcomms rock solid?” Consider PUA dogma Hill… Fake it till you make it and subcomms rule… You do not have to have sex with other girls to have an abundance mentality or induce some dread in the wife… you just have to demonstrate that you can/do get IOI’s, you know you get IOI’s and you know she knows you get IOIs… so that and periodically taking some space from her, going… Read more »
On Yareally’s latest “plan”
http://www.wachdorfconnect.com/Pfleger%20Johann/John%20and%20Maria%20Pfleger%20and%20family%20-%20balanced.jpg
Like I said in the last post welcome Back to the Future. You are reinventing Marriage 1.0.
Pro tip – make a hot meal when you come in an expectation…
YaReally Finally we get somewhere. 1) After the first 3-5 months, when she’s still in the NRE but you two have fallen into enough of a routine that she isn’t necessarily bringing out her full A game like she did in the first month or two…what signs can a guy be looking for at this stage? Does she have healthy gym habits, has she slacked off on going to the gym now compared to when you met her? Have you tested to see if she cooks/cleans/etc? Does her apartment look messier more often now than when you first met? Has… Read more »
Anonymous Reader “Who knows? Who cares? ” “Sentient” Well there is a rejoinder… and a sterling example of “reasoning skills” on display. Thanks. You’re welcome, and thanks for dishonestly deleting the rest of the context. Historical hypotheticals are a dime a dozen in dorm-room bull sessions, but most men grow out of them. You know that scuttling the boats was not invented by Cortes right? That it was a tactic? You know that Cortez’s piss poor leadership nearly got his expedition wiped out in Tenochticlan and, if you know how to use a map, you’d see that if not for… Read more »
@ YaReally “thanks for participating” Glad I can contribute. Part 1: SCREENING. “So we could look at what are the prime moments where a girl has incentive to “let her hair down” and either let things out that she was hiding, or simply slack off on things because she feels less risk in doing so:” I think this is a very valid list. I’d start with the basic screening requirements and specify them for your needs in this situation, aka screening her for the possibility of having children with her, which is some serious shit. I’d suggest the basic requirement… Read more »
AR
Your “who knows, who cares” is still ringing in my ear. It was a simple question, which you dodged, because you knew the answer would not make your point. Obviously if they had access to the boats, they would not have been there to win any lottery. And there would be very different chapters in your book.
Trent
“So, to wrap it up. For SCREENING the possible mother of your future kids I’d suggest
– passes boner test
– fitting chemistry between you two
– cooking, cleaning, „caring“
– meet family asap
– screen Mum/Dad constellation through red pill lense
– closely observe her relationship with kids and how she acts with them and they around her (hugely important)”
Your great grandfather would also have virgin on that list…
“As I have observed repeatedly, turning “marriage” into something that the UMC and religious people do means that the majority of men won’t It means that the majority of people won’t.”
SJF
I’m not religious, but it is an observation that is backed up by populations surveys.
Yes. It is.
Last time I checked the marriage and non-divorced percentage is high. Very high. And it is very observable all around me.
SJF to the majority of men:
“Let them eat cake”
Heck of a job, Marie. Keep it up!
@Trent
For the period trying to get her pregnant, during her pregnancy, and when she is breastfeeding, she will have to avoid alcohol and most drugs. This has to be part of screening.
@SJF “I see what you did there. You defined game there. I’m Hugely into game.” My bad, by “who aren’t in the game at all” I meant “who aren’t in the game of sticking their dicks inside <25yo 8+/10 pussy in 2016". A distinction without a difference. Game is game. Values are values. I value fucking my 51 year old wife with a tight pussy and doing married red pill game and resting for a moment on children well raised. I don’t expect you to value that and I’m not bragging about it. But I am successful in Game after… Read more »
@Sentient:
You are right with your marriage 1.0 observation, I thought about this too lol.
But the thing is, many of the marriage 1.0 shit is pretty valuable and was in there for a good reason. We are just trying to eliminate the terminal flaws in 2016 like actually legally marrying and monogamy.
SJF to the majority of men: “Let them eat cake” Heck of a job, Marie. Keep it up! Heh, I conflate the other cake issue. “They” are already trying and desiring to have their cake (Buffers) and eat it too. Who am I to to stop them? One cannot or should not have or want more than one deserves or can handle. Get mastery and you deserve more. Be masterful and you can handle more in your field of pursuit. It’s not about me and my random musings on the the internet. It’s about each and every red pill guy… Read more »
So, yeah, the old way of doing it before everything went to hell:
Meet a quality girl. Meet her folks. Date for a couple of years to build a relationship and make sure she’s The One. Make babies.
The proposed new way of doing things to get around the problems and be Red Pill as fuck:
Meet a quality girl. Meet her folks. Date for a couple of years to build a relationship and make sure she’s The One. Make babies.
Yeah, about that. I don’t think you guys are thinking at the level of the problem.
@ Sentient ” I only started fooling around to further develop game skills, and for a while enjoyed just different feminine energy. Basically just because it was something I wanted to do. TBH I find myself losing the appetite for it. At a certain point, most interactions end up being pretty similar overall spike attraction, pass shit tests, escalate, pull etc. one much like another and most girls you meet via SNL, just a short time together, they are not very remarkable in terms of personality, wit, etc. Just fairly boring girls at the end of the day.” I understand… Read more »
Your “who knows, who cares” is still ringing in my ear. Good. Maybe you’ll learn something? It was a simple question, which you dodged, because you knew the answer would not make your point. Man, you are really dumb. You’re doubling down on your ignorance. Obviously if they had access to the boats, they would not have been there to win any lottery. Do you have access to Google Maps? Can you look up Mexico City, where Tenochticlan used to be? Can you estimate the distance from Mexico City to Veracruz? Then can you guessitimate how long it would have… Read more »
@YaReally/SJF This idea of being in an LTR and just saying “No Big Deal” to any shit test just doesn’t work…at least with girls in their 20’s bent on some power struggle. Girls with BDP/Cluster B tendencies are always locked in some power struggle. I’m now very good at “cold reads” where I can figure out very quickly based on the smallest of details what type of girl you’re dealing with. Girls self-sabotage…because they can. They push things as far as they can to test my limits and they’re very aware of what they’re doing. This idea of ignoring bad… Read more »
“Here’s what I expect and we’ll get along just fine”… I’m not sure this even has a name”
Taking her in hand.
SJF
How many times do I have to say: I don’t care about the happiness of others or the lack of skill of 90% of men? I care about me, my family, those around me that aren’t unhappy and unlucky.
“Let them eat cake”.
Theodore Roosevelt disagreed with you. So did Robert E. Lee, Alexander, Chesty Puller, and many other men who were leaders of other men.
You and Louis XVI, on the other hand, are a pair.
@Klem If you don’t know your own mind,what you want,or how to get it that isn’t up to me.i am not here to tell you what you are supposed to want and I have no idea what you need. If you want help with that idk maybe ask kaminski. What I will say is go for what you want,don’t listen to anyone telling you you can’t get it.Good luck. Take that FI shit and shove it. FR One of my main guys a heavy hitter,has a small festival every year,25 bands 300 people camping out for 3days at 9000ft.Just left… Read more »
@KFG “Yeah, about that. I don’t think you guys are thinking at the level of the problem. Yes. Hence the red herring claim. And less than logic with false premises. Red pill is red pill. Game is game. No matter what your values are. Principles are more effective than values. @Yareally (like SJF said kids in year 6). One more demerit for reading comprehension. I attempted to say meet. Greet/vet in two years marry in the second year (after two years. But as I check my timeline it was 1.6 years due to rounding). Have the child in the 4th… Read more »
SJF It’s not about me and my random musings on the the internet. I Were you looking at yourself in the mirror while typing that? Surely you were. Man, if it’s not another interminable self-back-patting rambling “me so smart” posting, it’s you getting all riled up when someone like YaReally points out AWALT includes your very own unicorn daughter that doesn’t look the same through Daddy Goggles. In fact, looking back at your postings for a while, they’re all about you. You. You. And You. It’s all about you, Marie. Your solipsism seems to be one of your new buffers.… Read more »
From the bottom of my heart I want to thank you a lot for your observations and writings, Rollo. It really made me open my eyes.
walawala Girls with BDP/Cluster B tendencies are always locked in some power struggle. I’m now very good at “cold reads” where I can figure out very quickly based on the smallest of details what type of girl you’re dealing with. Back when Softek first started posting and Rollo discussed a bit of his own BPD woman I spent some time reading about Cluster B. There’s apparently some disagreement on whether there really are more of them on a percentage basis than years ago, or whether they are just more visible now? Either way, it’s something young men must be trained… Read more »
@Stuffinabox “”Old Boxy aint havin none of that,and starts reading this poor gal the riot act;you dont do that to any man what is your problem etc.I say well give her a break she didn’t know I am married…”””
This story made me day…
@Anonymous Reader I hadn’t truly understood either my own attraction to BPD girls or their attraction to me. Bottom line, if it’s too good to be true at the start…BPD. The one girl I refer to here has revealed she has “depression” which is part of a whole group of situations involved with BPD: low self-esteem, abandonment issues. A good question to ask: “who are you closer to, your mom or your dad” listen for how they describe that interaction. If (as in this most recent case) dad is a kind of depressive dreamer passively floating through and mom is… Read more »
“YaReally/SJF This idea of being in an LTR and just saying “No Big Deal” to any shit test just doesn’t work…at least with girls in their 20’s bent on some power struggle.” I explicitly said with women that are psychologically sound. I do admit that I have a finer discrimination radar than most men. I’ve been with a BPD but only for less than the time it took for my ballsack to run dry on her (Heartiste Maxim) and a girl the decided to go full Schizophrenic as I was dating her for six months. And I have had Psychology… Read more »
kfg
Yeah, about that. I don’t think you guys are thinking at the level of the problem.
That’s what happens when people don’t understand the difference between a “risk” and a “gamble”.
@ anonymous reader “In fact, looking back at your postings for a while, they’re all about you.” Yes they are. I’m not about to resonate with you unless you want it to be so. My postings are about red pill awareness and game. Self awaeness and masculine self improvement. Good mindset for personal agency. Game principles with any relationship platform. In fact I’ve been using this blog as a path to be more aware of human behavior and to better my game. And it has been tremendously valuable in that respect. Thanks to Rollo and his venue. Apparently at the… Read more »
@ AR
Me me me me me me. I I I I me me.
Lol.
I’m guilty of this too. A huge offender. Tried to minimize all of the me’s and I’s when commenting, but didn’t have enough interest in doing so.
It’s not solipsism. If explaining my thoughts or something about my self, it’s natural for those of us that aren’t writers. Lol, I was taught better though. All of my English and writing teachers are spinning in the grave.
Don’t nit pick man.😁
@ SJF
You said something that made me think.
I realize that I too have never verbally promised monogamy. You’re right, it was always implied.
that’s why the refrain here about ” why promise monogamy ” kept making my eye twitch.
Demonstration, no explication.
At a point it became a kind of mutual sub comm.
More on vetting for Unicorns: Walawala?….Walawala?…… from Manual of Seduction by Franco. (keep in mind this was from a Natural in 2004): Psychologically Disturbed Women: How to quickly recognize them and get rid of them even quicker As a seducer you will no longer be in contact just with your cat and your beloved Maria who lives next door. You will be in contact everyday with a whole series of many different women. There is a reality to which you must be prepared otherwise you’ll go through a lot of trouble: “The majority of women have problems, some have big… Read more »
“that’s why the refrain here about ” why promise monogamy ” kept making my eye twitch.” That’s why I’m twitching a lot. Mostly in my fingers on the keyboard. Because of logicalizing with false premises. And because somehow, someone here got railroaded into the fact that monogamy and marriage are actually the issue at hand. They are not. The issue is masculine imperative agency in any form created by the operator. Pick your values. Operate by principles. Game. Natural or Learned. Don’t talk about fight club outside of the Manosphere. KFG is sitting there smoking his pipe and thinking: “WTF… Read more »
@Andy, @YaReally, @Scribblerg, @Sentient, and others writing to me: just to clarify, I’m the one who doesn’t have kids, and I’m around 80% sure that if I told her to stop working and move back in to me she would be happy to. She doesn’t actually like her work, I do. @YaReally: you said something like “It will be worse when she is 35 and past wall”. Too late, you probably didn’t spot it in the original “spill my guts post” – we married mid-twenties, same age, are now both mid-thirties. I feel bad for her if I do divorce… Read more »
@SFJ Great post. Another reason for abundance. All women are slightly crazy…knowing which type of crazy is Red Pill.
I’m at the point now where my cold reads are 90% accurate.
Rollo, you’ve given us knowledge and wisdom that directly translates into power, for many of us. But that ‘S’ on your chest, doesn’t mean you can save them all. Nor should you try. Men are best left to their own devices, til they feel the sting of a woman’s true nature. Even then, many will continue with their misguided actions until they are psychologically and physically broken. The red pill should be about individuals, not collectives. A collective can never remain strong enough to keep everyone on board. An individual should be able master himself and be convinced of the… Read more »
Blax
At 744 am.
Yeah pretty much the same reason i got married to begin with… To move on, grow up and really dig into life… With a well vetted 8 who ticked all my boxes… Which i was never even looking for. Dont get married advice was around in 1991… I heard it almost every day from my Dad… Lol.
Trent
So what are your plans for the 19th amd? Terminal flaws analysis and all?
I’ve been having a think, and that whilst being a supplicating, pedastalising, chump with women, is definitely not a good thing, I’m wondering about the choice of the PUA. PUAs seem to be very skillful at charming many women into bed (I’m not belittling the skills or the time PUAs have taken to learn all of this, I do admire their tenacity and bravery for doing so), but I’ve been reading about the lives of a few of these chaps, people like Mystery and Neil Strauss, and they don’t seem particularly happy. Mystery nearly committed suicide because a stripper he… Read more »
Chunkymonkey
King Solomon himself would agree with you…
@ YaReally, @ Everybody Part 2: LONG TERM STRATEGY „If she was say 23 when you met her (because <23yo girls are often still retarded lol but 23 they're often starting to feel "too old" for the bar scene etc, and aren't massively invested in their careers yet like a 27yo), 2 years vetting and she's pregnant around 25. Seems like perfect timing. Throw 4-5 years on there to get the first kid off to school and knock her up so she's pregnant around the 29-30 year mark right when, NORMALLY, she would be bored because she doesn't have kids… Read more »
@Anon – Claiming my commentary has the same characteristics as YaReally’s is amusing, and of course bullshit. But hey, I guess you “won” that argument. What you miss is that I took on one very narrow but crucial aspect of Ya’s claims on this subject – the “stats” he claims are with him. I simply showed how his base level assumption is wrong on this subject, and fyi, it gets much worse for him and you as the data is less and less friendly to your cause the deeper you go. And now you introduce dead bedrooms WITH NO ACTUAL… Read more »
Re: YaReally – Claiming victory is not the same achieving victory in the real world.
And here some more data on marriage and happiness with marriage, by class from Murray’s book…Shit just get worse for you self-anointed “field” experts. Hint – the field is great for observing behavior/dynamics and individual results, and testing out ideas. It’s not great for looking at aggregate data across large geographies and populations. It’s kind of stunning that I have to explain this to you guys.
http://imgur.com/sio4eVa
Re: Correction – I’m only explaining this to some of you guys…
@Scribbler Charles Murray supports me being very judgmental. I think he is overly optimistic that trends will snap back toward old school community, families raising children well and in-group altruism. But I’m still going to be an advocate of that along the lines of F. Roger Devlin in Sexual Utopia in Power. And already being married is quite divorced from the prospect of marrying in the future. Except for UMC children. http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052970204301404577170733817181646 Meanwhile, the formation of the new upper class has been driven by forces that are nobody’s fault and resist manipulation. The economic value of brains in the marketplace… Read more »
@Chunkymonkey – Great post. This is why I always end up back in a LTR somehow even whenever the last one ended I swore “Never again!” I know TRP has this emphasis on spinning plates but it always seems like way more trouble than its worth. I am more of a “joy of sex” type than a “thrill of the hunt” type. No judgement directed at the PUAs, I’ve been coasting on their hard-won knowledge of game when I’m in pickup mode for years. I just couldn’t see ONLY doing that or having FBs. I’m too old school for a… Read more »
@SJF – I’m not as convinced that culture was the major driver of this. I believe economics and the utter decimation of working class’s opportunities for meaningful and rewarding work is more important, and this same thing is happening in the middle class now too. In fact, the middle class is disappearing as some make up the ladder, but most fall down the ladder. Shocker – women won’t tradeoff monogamy for provision if men can’t provide. People see “welfare” as the driver, I see it as the response (not completely, it’s a multi-factor thing, of course with feedbacks too). Go… Read more »
Goddamn!!
This is one reason I will always love me some scribbler.
As part of the reason that the discussion was perplexing the hell out of me was that there were other pieces to this puzzle that weren’t being included.
One cannot rationally only look at the cons when assessing risks.
O/T You guys are always on my damn mind…😁 Just now I was talking with wifey, and I turned to see a girl coming up the stairs from my basement that I’ve never seen before. She walked to met and shook my hand and said ” hi, I’m Andy. Nice to meet you. I’ve heard a lot about you…” Andy drove up from Florida with one of my goddaughters yesterday while I was working, so I didn’t meet her as I was out with my bros after working. Andy is model-like, and has to be at least 5′ 10″. She’s… Read more »
@YaReally, @Everybody Part 3: MONOGAMY „Mongamy“ as wie define it = Monogamy is a form of relationship in which an individual has only one sexual partner during his or her lifetime or for intervalls of time (serial monogamy). A: It’s best/the only way to raise children if their parents are in a monogamous relationship. B: We agree that it’s best for children to be raised by a stable two parent household ideally until they reach adulthood (18+). Monogamy is not necessary. A: What’s wrong with monogamy for men? B: Monogamy in 2016 specifically removes the qualities of a man that… Read more »
@Scribbler
My politics are pretty left-wing, and I get the impression that a lot of the Red Pill skews right, so maybe I am an anomaly here. I am sympathetic to your economic critique of the causes for divorce, as it fits with pinko commie, guillotine-the-rich mindset (I kid).
I’m sure the economic situation in the U.S. is a contributing factor, but even richer countries with less economic inequality than the U.S. have a high divorce rate. See Switzerland: http://www.thelocal.ch/20150115/modern-switzerland-in-ten-stats
” . . . the “Roaring ’20s” imported the sexual mores of Berlin for fuck’s sake . . .”
All roads find a nexus in 19th century Prussia*.
The 60’s were, culturally speaking. the real extension of the 20’s, interrupted by the Depression and the war.
And the 60’s were when the lid blew off the pressure cooker of the 50’s, which, rather than being some conservative Shangri-La, were the most disruptive years in all of human history.
*Even spell check doesn’t like Prussia.
“I get the impression that a lot of the Red Pill skews right . . .”
. . . but not “conservative.” An important distinction these days when being a Jeffersonian makes you a far right ultra-fascist.
@Trent:
You are reinventing a 1950’s, teenager’s guide to dating and marriage. It would be quicker and easier to just go get one. Then you could concentrate your thinking on the things that need to be modified, instead of having to recapitulate the whole.
Which won’t work for the 90% anyway; Walking Marriage is the model.
@Meadow – Ya, it’s quite tempting to use my “materialist” analysis to bolster a left wing critique, cuz he, as soon as I look at material conditions, I must be a Marxist, right? Lol, I think we both know just how stupid a train of thought that is… Comparing the social structure and culture of Switzerland to the U.S. is a huge problem. But still, if you analyze the underlying economic data of Switzerland, or any Euro country with a democratic socialist mentality, you’ll see the following: 1. Huge drop in business formation. 2. Much less income mobility – A… Read more »
@All Being to poor and under educated Low class according to SJF,to even weigh in.Here goes nothin again.Having been married withchildren,going to bed mad and waking up mad most days for 35 years. The statistics are old,pre obama care etc.I definitely see the trend getting worse for the ” working CLASS”wtf. Yareally’s plan is already in action.If you shack up with kids she can get more help from the SS,wefare,food stamps etc.Now the SS is in your business,so you can’t have any evidence of man stuff in the house,The baby daddy has to be ready to go allways,living out of… Read more »
Re: Risk Management – But let’s be clear, if my estimates are in the ballpark and a UMC, Red Pill aware man who makes a good mate choice, he still faces at least a 1 in 5 chance of divorce, and maybe more if the trends don’t hold up. Let’s call it a 25% chance of divorce-rape for the purposes of discussion. That’s a huge risk. Would you go on an amusement park ride that had a 25% of killing you? Fuck a woman bareback who had a 25% chance of giving you herpes? Bet your life savings with a… Read more »
Stuff in Box is getting it.
I’ll just leave this here for men who are looking for answers beyond “MANUP, BRO!” to find. Note the date. Yes, the issue has been a topic of discussion both here at Rollo’s and in other places for 5 or more years, despite the best efforts of AMOG’ing tradcons and other Real Men. https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2011/11/15/40-years-of-ultimatums/ An excerpt: “While women have every right to pile on the ultimatums, men must also have the right to say no thank you. That deal is no longer attractive to me. After all, an ultimatum means take it or leave it. Yet the men who more… Read more »
“In fact, looking back at your postings for a while, they’re all about you.”
SJF
Yes they are. I’m not about to resonate with you unless you want it to be so.
Not everyone finds narcissism interesting.
Fucking lol So Blaximus and SJF didn’t promise monogamy, and their relationships have worked out. Scribblerg is posting stats (from a book that analyzes up to 2010 lol, Tinder didn’t even launch till 2012, why do you keep using such bad/irrelevant data to make your arguments) that back up that men who aren’t in that little UMC/religious community lifestyle (aka 90% of men, the average dude that I’ve been using in all my examples (Joe the Plumber etc) of who we’re trying to help) shouldn’t get married And everything else is being categorized into unicorn madonna/whore intelligent/BPD girls because NAWALT… Read more »
asian girl flaked ofc. shit is pissing me the fuck off. i did well enough on that instatdate t get that fucking day 2
@hank holiday
2016 man, flake is the default lol don’t stress it yet. What are the details of the flake? Just didn’t show? Hasn’t txted all day and you haven’t txted her? You txted her and she hasn’t responded? You txted and she cancelled with an excuse? What’s the situation? Has the time/day of the Day2 passed or is it later today?
Scribblerg In many of his analyses Murray uses two groupings of peoples. “Fishtown”, representing working class America, and “Belmont”, representing UMC and higher America. Check out the results. What? Again the data shows that the hysterical claims about the universal risk of divorce are not accurate. Period. In multiple threads on this site and others I’ve pointed out that If Trends Continue, “Marriage” will be something practiced only by the UMC / UC and religious people. I also have pointed out for some 6 or 7 years now here and there and elsewhere that while the risk of divorce is… Read more »
@WalaWalawashington
Glad I could give you a chuckle.
@kfg
Am I getting it? Is it getting me?
vhttps://youtu.be/7WQtL1pfZlE
@Yareally
My two favorite women right now were raised only girl with three or more brothers lmc conservative,two parent household.They may both be liars at least they know how to act right around men.
@kfg
[youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WQtL1pfZlE&w=560&h=315%5D
Scrib
The lesson? Build wealth and assets. Remove yourself utterly from working class environs and culture.
Combine that with moving to Lake Woebegon where all the children are above average, and Bob’s your uncle!
@yareally She hasn’t said anything after her “I’m in your closet” text then I did my “I knew you were a stalker ;)” text then 15 min later the “finish your paper then we can celebrate text” three days later I checked in on her by texting “you good on our meetup tomorrow?” which she also didn’t respond to. so she just went silent after her closet text. I’m fucking pissed because I’ve spent working on this shit 50-100 hours in this shithole, mostly just wandering around this same fucking ass mall for hour on end, then I get this… Read more »
Scrib That’s a huge risk. Would you go on an amusement park ride that had a 25% of killing you? Fuck a woman bareback who had a 25% chance of giving you herpes? Bet your life savings with a 25% chance of losing it all? Cross a street where you have a 25% of getting run over? Take a drug that has a 25% chance of blinding you? The payoffs are crucial to understand when managing risks too. What’s the upside? What does it mean to you to have a family and a lifelong spouse? LOL ! That’s pretty much… Read more »
Blaximus
All of my English and writing teachers are spinning in the grave.
Not a chance of that. Have you looked at the kind of text college people write now? Spell czech isn’t their feind, and grammar is beyond them, never mind gramper. You write rings around them in your sleep.
Don’t nit pick man.😁
I have high standards for self-labeled “smartest in the room”, since I’ve worked around men who really were the smartest in the whole building… building maybe half a mile long.
YMMV.
Blaximus
You guys are always on my damn mind…😁
We-uns lives in your head, rent free he he heh.
Happened to overhear a pair of 19 year old girls the other day complaining that their parents had tried to friend them on Facebook. Both had already moved on to Tumblr. By YaReally standards they’re Amish…
@Anonymous Reader @Scribblerg “In multiple threads on this site and others I’ve pointed out that If Trends Continue, “Marriage” will be something practiced only by the UMC / UC and religious people. I also have pointed out for some 6 or 7 years now here and there and elsewhere that while the risk of divorce is not uniformly distributed across the social space, it’s still a credible number that leads to a 20% to 25% chance of frivorce for an “average” man.” lol ya, I’ve said numerous times since SJF brought up the UMC stuff, that while I’m skeptical they’re… Read more »
ChunkyMonkey
It all seems a rather pyrrhical victory.
“Sentient”
Solomon
“And I find more bitter than death the woman, whose heart is snares and nets, and her hands as bands: whoso pleaseth God shall escape from her; but the sinner shall be taken by her.” Ecclesiastes 7:26
“Which yet my soul seeketh, but I find not: one man among a thousand have I found; but a woman among all those have I not found.” Ecclesiastes 7:28
In other words, “AWALT” — Solomon
“Nuh UH!” – AMOG Unicorn Worshippers Association, Upper Middle Class Branch
@hank holiday lol all good dude. Mainly just a product of the city you’re in right now. When you get to a better city you’ll be able to just txt another girl. Don’t send her butthurt venting txts or anything. You may run into her at the same place again and/or you could try just flat out phoning her today. Be prepared to leave a voicemail ’cause they rarely actually answer, but try to get in direct touch with her. You could leave a voicemail like “hey I can’t make today, a friend dropped in from out of town, we’ll… Read more »
@yareally
venting here, not on chick lol. may try the voice mail later — the “hey had to meet a friend, couldn’t make it” bit
more frustrated at situ than any one girl.
@Anon – Nice to see you are still a tedious cunt. And of course, that’s not what Ya has been saying that I disagreed with, you jackass. I was correcting his false assertions about “the stats”. But still, you reveal your absolutely juvenile understanding of risk and reward. What you miss is that my decisions were based on how I was situated, my tolerance for risk and loss and my fear of not being able to make a marriage work. Example: Given my psychology and family history, I became seriously suicidal by 3 years after my divorce. I felt like… Read more »
YaReally But when it came time for her to sacrifice to be with him (quit her job, move away from her family, etc to follow him for work), she brought out behavior that he had no idea she was capable of and thought only “dumb drunk bar drama sluts do” (he used to constantly brag about having found a unicorn lol ’cause he had never really SEEN the other side of her). He was mindblown, he was with her for 7 years and had never seen this kind of behavior (picking fights (trying to get him to flip out so… Read more »
@hank holiday lol all good dude. Mainly just a product of the city you’re in right now. When you get to a better city you’ll be able to just txt another girl. Don’t send her butthurt venting txts or anything. You may run into her at the same place again and/or you could try just flat out phoning her today. Be prepared to leave a voicemail ’cause they rarely actually answer, but try to get in direct touch with her. You could leave a voicemail like “hey I can’t make today, a friend dropped in from out of town, we’ll… Read more »
oops lol, didn’t clear the hank stuff from my notepad before cutting n pasting there
Maybe see how well they do without technology. Take them camping early on or just set a rule of no phones etc when you’re together. Can’t quite imaging a lot of metrosexual hipsters like I see every day trying this, but there are still rural places where connectivity is crummy and the cabins don’t have TV. I know a man in his 30’s (wife, kid, another on the way) who lived in Colorado for a while, and any woman that wanted to be around him had to be willing to go bag 14’rs. Not willing to walk up Mt. Princeton,… Read more »