As I mentioned in the prior comment thread, I’ll be testing out a once a month(ish) livestream podcast with Niko Choski for a while. This talk is meant to be an informal discussion of topics I go into on The Rational Male, as well as what’s trending in the manosphere. It’s also to give guys an opportunity for some feedback and exchange in the live comments.
Some of my regular readers may be wondering why I didn’t advertise this first trial more and the answer is I wanted to use this one as a test to see the initial response. I’ll be promoting future livestreams more aggressively, but I knew this one would be less than polished. I deliberately tried to keep it to an hour to make it more digestible, but we did go a little over to answer questions.
In this cast we discussed my article on The Red Pill balance and how a Red Pill awareness is not just vital to a man’s personal development with women, but how it can help in various other aspects of his life. We discuss the differences of that Red Pill perception in the MGTOW community that Niko has recently divided himself from.
You can of course comment on the YouTube feed, but I’m going to take open comments here about what you thought of the discussion and even my engaging in a once a month talk like this. I expect more than a few from the MGTOW communities will find there way here, but I’m more interested in what you thought about the idea of us doing this.
I’ve been asked for a while as to why I don’t just do a solo podcast myself, but I don’t really like to do things off the cuff with regard to what I write and explain. I prefer to approach things from all angles in my writing before I hit the publish button. That said I do see the value in a discussion like this when it’s about topics I’ve already covered or perhaps something going on in mainstream society or the ‘sphere.
So let me know what you think. The comment thread is open so if you want to tell me it’s a bad idea, fine. If you like it, great. If you want to chime in on any of what we discussed feel free to.
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Rollo could you and Niko speak on the effects on trauma and the awakening of the red pill awareness?
“In this cast we discussed my article on The Red Pill balance and how a Red Pill awareness is not just vital to a man’s personal development with women, but how it can help in various other aspects of his life. ” Remember, that the blue pill metaphor is about how people (or sentient machines if you’re watching the movie-LOL) are trying to manipulate your perception, and your mental model of the world so that, you labor under the illusion there is no alternative to doing things that benefit them, or their social order- instead of you. Taking the red… Read more »
Iron Rule 1 is Frame is Everything.
This abstract concept of Frame is hard for many beginners to grasp. I still struggle with it after some months of reading up on Red Pill.
I’d like Rollo and Niko to discuss Frame in-depth in one of the episodes.
One contributor in MRP has a strong series of posts with his point of view, in case anyone reading my comment is interested:
Rollo, do you have a SoundCloud? That would be a great way to post, as I can listen without keeping my screen on (yt).
I’m sure iTunes can work great for iphoners too.
Looking forward to hearing this.
I normally use http://www.clipconverter.cc/ if I want to download the audio and listen to it. It’s easier if people do this on their own without one of us having to take the audio, then reupload it.
Hey Rollo I appreciate all you do and have learned much from your essays. I’m recently unplugged and have enjoyed this blogger: Illimitable Men. You may want to add him to your blogroll as he does really quality work. Looking forward to listening to you and Niko (football first for me today).
Enjoyed discussion very much I listened to this while rebuilding a nail gun.It is a good format w/Niko seeking clarification and Rollo giving it.Looking forward to next months edition.
I think many confuse the male ‘burden of performance’ with the act of ‘qualifying oneself’ to & ‘earning the affection/love/respect’ from female society as summarized by the Blue Pill stereotype of the male as a ‘human doing’ (valued only for his utility) & the female as a ‘human being’ (valued for her female parts); hence the Red Pill idea of male disposability & the ‘pussy pass’. Embracing the Red Pill & MGTOW perspective, then, would entail the conversion (diversion) of the male ‘burden of performance’ to exclusively male ends for personal (and self) enrichment, leaving the greater female collective to… Read more »
Hi Rollo, i liked it very much.
Please continue with that.
As IAS said it before, i would also like you to have a talk about frame!
Thanks and cheers
@IAS I actually don’t think that series of posts zeros in on what frame is at all. It’s good advice but it’s basically just masculine self-improvement 101. Once you have all his steps in place it will make being in your frame more appealing, sure, but that’s not the same as the frame itself. I just made a short post about the difference between frame and power here: http://therationalmale.com/2016/01/18/a-teachable-moment/comment-page-6/#comment-137136 Frame isn’t value. Frame isn’t attractiveness. Frame isn’t power. Frame is how you see the world and how you react to inputs from it based upon that. Your frame is ultimately… Read more »
Thumbs up on the idea of a once a month livestream with Niko. Your vantage point with Niko’s new stance in the Manosphere will create good dialogue for people looking to self improve and have better frame in personal/social/work relationships. My favorite part of the livestream was discussing Burden of Performance and it’s tie to the male experience. I eat healthy, workout and dress well to create my best persona, which are all factors that translate into my confidence to give my best performance. In regards to future topics, I understand your advice and mindset is given as a steer… Read more »
@Forge the Sky SJF, told me some of what you just explained about what frame is. So let me put it another way. Is my “Frame” basically nothing more than how I see myself? Where see means what people see me doing in regards to the way I; treat myself and others, feed, educate, spend my time, who I bother talking to, what my goals are, etc? If what I guess is true, then, isn’t my Frame a tool for how I filter through people who I come in contact with in my life? And if THAT’S true, then how… Read more »
Sure, I’d love for you to go and have a chat and a Q&A on the monthly.
It was fun to hear some people defending the MGTOW as a sole answer to their problems with women and society.
I missed mostnofntne first part of it but was glad to have heard what I did. Especially thought the part about burden of performance was good because some guys in the chat didn’t get it and perhaps that is an opportunity for further discussion.
I don’t know much about Niko so was good to learn about him.
Really like the chat in general and that you use YouTube. There is a lot of potential engagement using the questions from chat during the live show.
Looking forward to more shows and always appreciate your exemplary efforts!
” . . . how is Frame not power, or at least a form of power? ”
A wrench is always a wrench, but it is only a lever when you apply it to an appropriate bolt.
I thought the part where you discussed men becoming Red Pill aware, but scared to use it was an awesome segment of the podcast. I think it was near the end of it. It’s weird because a lot of Red Pill transitioning is in-field practice whether it’s with women, friends, work, or family. You have to learn to internalize it instead memorizing or reciting shit you listen to or read about. Rollo, you should have a post where you just ask the readers to suggest questions for you and Niko to discuss. Take the top 5 questions/topics brought up and… Read more »
Thank you. Maybe my rush to assume it was what caused me to miss the point in the first place.
Everything where it should be.
kfg’s the only dude I know who is unambiguously better at analogies than me.
Yollo, it’s true that you’ll tend to be more effective with a strong frame. But that’s because frame allows you to apply power in a more diciplined and consistent fashion, rather than rashly or capriciously.
If your frame also is based upon solid information about how the world works (i.e. you’re pursuing attainable goals in an effective fashion rather than goals based around virtues or concepts not naturally occurring), then you also increase the efficiency of your power.
Consistency, efficiency, discipline….y.
On Frame Game & Power PUA frame is much like a picture frame in that it is either rustic,polished,antiqued or intricately carved to ad value to the painting and appeal to the viewer.The artist exercises his power in both producing the painting and choosing the proper frame.In maintaining his frame he the PUA chooses the venue for entertainment,food,sex.If she doesn’t like gravy in her salad he uses his power to send it back.Or risk losing frame.If he asked her where she wants to go or what she wants to do he immediately loses frame.If she doesn’t like the venue or… Read more »
Hey Rollo as a big fan I’d love to ask a question/ propose an idea, if it’s not too much hassle to get back. What is your opinion on attainability I have been reading articles that explains women will look for men slightly higher value then them but they will not go for a man who’s value is too high and out of there reach, at the risk there ego will be stung by there rejection, so they “auto reject” these men and justify there reasons to themselves to protect there ego, even if mating with these men would optimise… Read more »
Good points on the discussion. On the burden of performance: 50yr old meth addict in prison. Jolting. I think that even beats being a beta buck doctor who commits suicide at 50 after waking up?? Or not. It depends.
Everything in that discussion is “old”, but is new food for thought.
Thanks to Rollo and Niko for taking the time.
I’m really excited to listen to another podcast with you – i’ve heard you on christian mcqueen and tom torero. Any chance you guys could make your way into the apple itunes podcasts??
Love your work and thank you for changing my life bro!!
Really good podcast, Rollo. And a particularly great RP introduction to suggest for recently-awakened men who are reading challenged or who balk at the sheer amount of material on TRM. lol
Like several others here I had no idea it was a live event, though.
Rollo, What about a Podcast about applying RP and Game in a professional context?
Would be very nice to hear that, because that what i think is one of the most important challenges in a man’s life.
Having eyes recently open to these lines of thought. And still finding my way through. I am open for any detail oriented line of reason on these matters. We all know truth is the first casualty in any warfare. Mental , social or physical .
I second @ChocDoc ‘s recommendation for Game in a Professional context. And thanks again @Rollo for all your effort to make this forum even better.
I enjoyed hearing you two talk about varying issues and i look forward to what the future brings to the discussion. It look me a few minutes “maybe i missed it?” until i could discern who was talking to who. As newly red pill aware and having just terminated my abusive marriage, i would like to see some sort of hierarchy of general red pill awareness topics for guys who might not know anything at all about red pill or the manosphere. When i first got turned on to this whole thing it was because i stumbled across a website… Read more »
I highly recommend you start by reading at least the “Best of Year One” posts first, then feel free to ask questions.
If you haven’t read Rollo’s books yet, they’re also ‘required reading’ for the newly unplugged man.
Also suggest you put the following books into your queue…
‘No more Mr Nice Guy’, by Robert Glover
‘The Way of Men’, by Jack Donovan
‘The 48 Laws of Power’, by Robert Greene
Hey Rollo, this isn’t about the post but about your books.
Have you thought about converting your books to audiobooks and uploading to audible? I’d love you have The Rational Male in audiobook form. It’s not too expensive if you opt for revenue-share and use ACX to self-publish on audible.
I’ve got Sam Botta narrating the first book already. I haven’t decided about the 2nd yet.
Hypergamy Doesn’t Care if You Have an Audiobook
But Sam does.
It appears that you may have a stay at home wife. Do you think this would be a requirement or major factor in enabling a successful red pill marriage? I can’t see how a husband and wife, earning similar amounts, could fool themselves into thinking the husband is the mental point of origin. Income disparity between the spouses is essential to a redpill marriage I suppose, do you agree?
@Mike: there are married couples where the wife earns more than the husband and the man could still be his own mental point of origin.
So I’d have loved to listen and comment, but apparently the podcast doesn’t work on iPad-just like the MID seminar didn’t. Maybe a disclosure was-is warranted?!
Random thought-is Stokholm Syndrome just another word for hypergamy?
The talk should be available in all devices bro.
@Mike Perhaps the essay linked below will give you some perspective. (And as always, read the links.) And perhaps read Rollo’s second book. Sexual Market Value figures into the equation. And income fits into a man’s Marriage Market Value depending on a woman’s station in life. Her station in life as described by Rollo’s 2nd book. And of course, why get married if not to have a more stable situation for children? A woman with children with either an alpha or beta male certainly changes the equation as her firmware needs safety and provisioning for the children. And Marriage Market… Read more »
Great podcast. Rollo contrasts Red pill vs. “MicNows” or something? WTF is that? Also, Hi-Perg-Ah-Me. Not Hyper-Gamy – as I originally thought as well.
I was thrilled to hear you speak. I am 57 years old and I recently divorced after 23 years of marriage and it completely turned my view of the world upside down. So, thanks Rollo. You have spoken to me. I just wish you were more courageous. Niko is a nice guy, and has his perspective, but he is not on your level. I wish you would share your breath of fresh air with a larger community, test it in the world that has something really smart to say, and is willing and able to put your views in a… Read more »
I would like to see a downloadable version via soundcloud, itunes, or some other format so I can listen on the go and not be tethered to a computer
That’s in the works now Ric
@Ric Star, I used convert2mp3 dot net and threw it in VLC for iPhone.
I pasted the link on reddit. You can definitely add it in the description.
It’s only the audio.
@Rollo (or anyone else for that matter) I don’t have exactly the same problem as they guy in the podcast who says that he’s failing to become aroused by women, but I can sort of understand what he means, and it would be something you might want to explore in later posts. TL;DR version: for the newly red pill aware man, what are women good for besides sex/physical intimacy? What does he have to hope for and look forward to upon meeting a woman? If a woman is incapable of loving a man in the way he wants her to… Read more »
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Men are less likely to disclose or seek help for mental health problems because of societal expectations and established gender roles. We know that gender preconceptions regarding women, such as the belief that they should act or appear a specific way, can be harmful to them. But it’s also crucial to recognise that prejudices and expectations can harm guys. Men are frequently expected to be breadwinners, as well as to be strong, dominant, and in command. While these aren’t inherently terrible traits, they can make it more difficult for guys to seek treatment and open up. Some studies also suggests… Read more »