Solipsism I


solipsism

“Women have always been the primary victims of war. Women lose their husbands, their fathers, their sons in combat. Women often have to flee from the only homes they have ever known. Women are often the refugees from conflict and sometimes, more frequently in today’s warfare, victims. Women are often left with the responsibility, alone, of raising the children.” – Hillary Clinton

I had planned on using Hillary’s now infamous quote for an upcoming post outlining the distinction between women’s innate solipsism and an acculturated narcissism, but fate delivered me a much more profound use for this quote last week (we’ll get to that in part II).

Before I dig in here I feel it’s kind of incumbent upon me to point out that I in no way align with, nor endorse Hillary’s political or ideological perspectives, and I think it should go without saying that I diametrically disagree with her feminine-primary social agendas.

That said, if you ever need a better quote to explain the realities of feminine solipsism I think I’d be at a loss to give you one. A lot of men, even Red Pill aware men, have a hard time understanding how solipsism fits concretely into the feminine psyche. The social conditioning and upbringing that predisposes us towards an egalitarian equalist mindset rebels against thinking women and men would have different psychological firmware. Equalism teaches us to expect that men and women’s needs share mutual origins and our impulses are so similar that any difference is insignificant.

That egalitarian frame predisposes us to consider that ‘not all women are like that‘ or to disassociate the idea that men and women could be anything but functionally equal agents. As a result we get convenient distractions to confuse our looking for comparatives to should anyone (or thing) challenge an equalist answer.

Simply put, we get rationales like “Oh well, men do it too”, or worse, or any opposite comparison that leads us away from considering the truth that men and women are psychologically, biologically and sociologically different; with different motives and different strategies which they employ to meet their different imperatives. And often these imperatives are at odds with the best interests of the other sex.

Separating Differences

The Cardinal Rule of Sexual Strategies:
For one gender’s sexual strategy to succeed the other gender must compromise or abandon their own.

It is the fundamental differences in either sex’s imperatives, acculturation and biology that creates this conflict. Of course, men and women have come together for each other’s mutual benefit (and love, and enjoyment) to create families and sustain our race for millennia, however, this mutually beneficial union does not originate from mutual imperatives or sexual strategies.

When I explain how women hold an opportunistic concept of love, while men hold an idealistic one, the resistance to accept that observable, behavioral, reality is rooted in a blank-slate belief that men and women are fundamentally the same. So, when we read a statement from a woman (to say nothing of a high status one) such as Hillary’s, we either scoff at the oblivious audacity of it because it is so counter to our (male) imperative’s interests, or we nod in ascension in the feminized belief that what best serves the female imperative necessarily is the best interest of the male imperative.

This is an illustration of the fundamental difference in the interpretation of experience between the sexes.

From a solipsistically oblivious female perspective what Hillary is expounding on here is entirely true. From a perspective that prioritizes feminine Hypergamy above all else, these three sentences make perfect, pragmatic sense. The idea that men losing their lives in warfare would make them victims at all (much less the primary victims) isn’t even an afterthought; all that matters is the long term security and continued provisioning of women and their imperatives.

Solipsism, not Narcissism

A lot of newly Red Pill aware men get confused at my using the term ‘solipsism‘ when I refer to this female-specific obliviousness to any concern – or lesser prioritized concern – of anything outside their immediate existential needs. The confusion comes from men who want for a similar justice to the one I outlined in Our Sister’s Keeper. Self-importance or narcissism would seem to be a more appropriate term for this dynamic, but I disagree.

Female solipsism in and of itself is not necessarily a net negative in the larger scope of human survival and evolution. On the surface that may seem a bit outrageous, but it’s only outrageous insofar as women’s solipsistic natures come into conflict with the biological and social imperatives of men. This solipsism is the necessary result of a feminine survival instinct that’s helped preserve women and their offspring in a violent, chaotic and uncertain evolution.

Recognizing the importance of feminine solipsism is not an endorsement of the anti-social, and often cruel, byproducts of it.

No doubt, men who’ve been on the sharp end of this will grind their teeth at the inevitable narcissism that becomes an extension of women’s solipsism. I’ll agree. Socially we’re living in an era of unprecedented (western) narcissism manifested in a vast majority of women.

At no other time in history have women become more accustomed to perceived entitlements of personal security, ubiquitous social control and relative assurances of optimizing Hypergamous imperatives. At no other time have women’s sexual strategies been of such primary importance to society. However, this narcissism is the result of an acculturation and learned social priorities that predispose women to expectations that border on arrogance. Over recent generations that narcissism has become learned and fostered in women to the point that narcissism is openly embraced as a feminine strength – women believe it’s their due after a long suffrage.

Women’s solipsistic nature however is an integral part of their evolved psychological firmware. Solipsism is the evolved, selected-for result of self-preservation necessities that ensured the survival of our species. As men we get frustrated by this intrinsic nature; a nature that puts women’s imperatives as their primary mental point of origin. As any newly aware Red Pill man will attest, coming to this realization is a very hard truth to accept. It’s cruel and contrary to what the First Set of Books have taught him he should expect and build his life around.

Furthermore, it’s cruel in the respect that this solipsism neither aligns with the romantic, Blue Pill hopes he’s been raised to accept, but also the egalitarian, equal and level playing field ideology he’s been conditioned to believe he should alter his priorities to accommodate for women; and in turn he can expect from women. As I stated earlier, coming to terms with men and women’s differing concepts of love is a tough disillusionment, but this difference in concept is simply one of many a man must come to terms with.

When I wrote Empathy I got taken to task about women’s capacity to feel empathy to a greater degree than do men. It’s not that women cannot feel empathically (a shared experience), my argument was that the idea that women feel a ‘greater’ empathy than men was a social convention with the latent purpose of masking women’s innate solipsism.

That wasn’t a very popular idea. The notion that women are the mothers and nurturers was predictably spelled out, but with regards to empathizing and caring for men the primary concern of women was worry over their own and their children’s well being before that of their men should they become incapacitated. Again, this is a cruel truth, but also a pragmatic and survival based one.

Mental Point of Origin

Women’s mental point of origin begins with their own self-importance, and the overriding importance of their own and their offspring’s survival. I’ve had women readers lambast me that they couldn’t possibly be so influenced by solipsism because they put their children’s wellbeing before their own. However it is just this solipsism that predisposes women to seeing their children as extensions of themselves and their own identities. And the good news is that this dynamic is one reason the human species has been so successful.

The following was a comment from Starve the Beast on the TRP subredd:

Women are bad at reasoning, but good at rationalization.

Let that sink in for a minute. One cannot rationalize without the faculty for reason. So are women really bad at reasoning? No, actually they’re great at it.

The difference is that women don’t place as much value on Truth as they do upon self-preservation, and therefore their reasoning processes do not abort when self-contradiction is reached. They’ll just rationalize their way out of that too, if exposed.

Ultimately, the so-called hamster reflects an underlying difference in value systems more than in reasoning ability.

Women can learn to sublimate their solipsism. In fact, cultures and progressive societies have been founded on sublimating female solipsism. Women can and do learn critical thinking quite regularly. Women can learn and function within a society that forces them to compromise their sexual strategies and mitigates the worst abuses that solipsism would visit on men (and themselves). Women can learn to be empathetic towards men as well as live within a social order that looks like mutual justice and fairness.

But the fact that these civil dynamics should need to be something a woman learns only reinforces the biological and evolved influences of female solipsism as women’s mental point of origin. The parallel to this is men’s learning to sublimate intrinsic parts of themselves – primarily their sexuality – to reinforce prosocial interaction in society. 

Women dislike the idea that their experience is colored by solipsism. It sounds bad, and it runs counter to what they believe are sacrifices on their own part to help others. That may be so, and I’m certainly not going to attempt to discount those investments, but they come from a learned compassion that must overcome an innate solipsism. That ‘me and my babies first’ mental point of origin isn’t necessarily a bad thing either – it’s only when that learned compassion and humility are superseded by it that anti-social behaviors and hubris arise.

I expect the predictable criticism will be that men are also self-important, and / or all humans are intrinsically selfish fucks. In part II I’ll elaborate more on this, but for now it’s important to grasp that female solipsistic nature is less about selfish individualism and more about pragmatic survival.

Many a male reader of my Hierarchies of Love series grated against the idea that a conventional model of love would progress from Men to women, women to children, children to puppies, etc. That model is a direct reflection of a uniquely female solipsism that seemingly discards men’s reciprocal emotional investment in women. However it is also the same dynamic that predisposes women to desire men who can decisively control their environment as well as dominate them sexually and emotionally.

In part II I’ll outline more examples of feminine solipsism, how it’s reflected on the individual and societal level and how a man might best use an understanding of it to his advantage.

580 comments

  1. Another great one, Rollo. And particularly germane to recent conversations I’ve been having with some of my closest friends about female sexual/survival strategies and how to best mitigate damage in various specific scenarios while still enjoying a pleasant and mutually beneficial intersexual existence with women from a Red Pill frame.

    I believe the biggest takeaway here for the newly RP aware man is that female solipsism is not intrinsically ‘evil’ (although it certainly feels that way to a BP man who wakes up one day to find his dreams of relational equity and his illusions of romantic investment parity in shards all over the floor), but rather, it is a hardwired evolutionary strategy that, while often ugly and inconvenient, makes perfect sense from a biological perspective. The more you understand the nature of a shark, it ceases to become a sea monster and just becomes another remarkable fish—albeit one that requires a more carefully controlled set of rules for interacting with it because of its observable and classifiable predatory habits.

    Female solipsism is the first and best argument for a man to develop and refine game, even if he is not currently in a sexual relationship with a woman or doesn’t ever plan to be in one. Acknowledging, understanding, and parrying the potentially sharp edge of female solipsism is critical to successfully navigating the choppy intersexual waters in which we are now inextricably immersed.

  2. Some thoughts.

    One;the first and only directive women follow -A Prime Directive, for you Star Trek fans- is Them and Their Kids.

    You see that tatted up barfly halfway through a bottle of SoCo at last call? She not only plans on having kids, but knows exactly what number and what precise resources are required to raise them.She also has an equally precise idea which sort of man she needs to make this happen.

    I know this because women have told me this, in plain language, in the clear without slant or deceit. More importantly this Prime Directive correlates with every females actions to a precise T.

    Two; females will hide that directive when it suits their needs. Any of us ever heard a young girl say ‘I don’t want kids ‘? Yeah ….me too. Mine was lying , and so did your woman. If a chick feels the best path to your wallet -and thus the physical realization of her kids being provided for- is lying to your face then that is what she’ll do.
    If that path involves daily blowjobs until the wedding day….she’ll do that too. If realizing her reproductive Prime Directive means breaking the law, sleeping with criminals, or lying to everyone she knows that is exactly what she will do. She may like it , or she may not, but her Prime Directive WILL be realized at any way she can manage.

    Most men don’t understand that level of commitment to ones personal life. Us guys view coupling as a side-activity to Other Stuff like career, hobbies, etc. Women view that subject as THEIR ENTIRE existence.

    The same commitment a military general has to a campaign upon which his nations future rests is about the level of commitment a typical woman has to her Prime Directive.
    Ive seen women totally unable to accomplish basic tasks like paying bills plan out how to fuck one guy literally under the nose of another with a level of intricacy Admiral Nimitz would envy . The level of planning us guys have ?

    “Yeah I’d hit that”.

    And we wonder why women hold us men in low esteem nowadays.

    Three; no such thing as a free Orgasm. If an interaction with a man doesnt in some way assist a woman’s Prime Directive , that interaction Will Not Happen.

    FWB-loss leader designed to entrap either a materially well off male or his seed under the cover of ‘no strings attached’. Verbal promises of non-exclusivity don’t stand up in family court.

    Dating-sorting phase designed to determine which male should serve as an exclusive provider for a woman, in a manner similar to a blind auction. The male who best matches a females Prime Directive get to walk the altar with her (hence the ironic appellation ” such a lucky guy!She chose YOU!”) .

    Infidelity : the default state of all sexually attractive women in a matriarcial environment. The stated nature of whether a female is engaged, married, or single is irrelevant. If she spots a male who better fits the Prime Directive then the one she’s currently with in some manner (Alpha F**ks = Better Genetic Product or Beta Buxx= Better Resource Offer) she will pursue that irrespective of whatever society,God, Gods, Buddha, or the law says.

    Failure to realize these cold facts has left many a man broken in every way a person can be. While these facts go down like crushed razorblades, its better to read them here then to realize it The Hard Way. What a man does with his life after knowing the implications of the female Prime Directive is his to determine. Unlike most males, he can determine his actions and relationships based on fact of how nearly all women behave and not baloney fantasies.

  3. I asked my ex that last month, if her kids came first or if I did. She paused and said “I really don’t know. That’s a hard one.” I replied “Then it’s your kids.” I recall my ex-wife reading one of those save your marriage books right after I made it clear I was leaving. She read me a line in it and said she sees how she was wrong. The line went something like this: “If you want to have a strong marriage, you need to understand your husband comes first, even before your children. They must be taught by you, their mother, that he is head of the household and respect must be given. The only way they’ll see that is by your demostrating by your actions that is is so.”

    I still left though.

  4. @Rollo

    Women dislike the idea that their experience is colored by solipsism. It sounds bad, and it runs counter to what they believe are sacrifices on their own part to help others.

    They start early on coloring their shit too. In school, the first thing we were taught in sex ed: “Boys (little unfeeling shits that we are) use love to get sex; girls use sex to get love.” Right off the bat, the language has connotations that the male sexual strategy is evil, but the female sexual strategy is searching for love. Wanting love is not evil, wanting sex is, therefore boys are evil and girls aren’t.

    If the truth were spoken instead: “Boys use commitment of time (the only male resource) to get sex, girls use sex to get male resources, both sexes ultimately hope to be loved in their own way” we might have a more neutral, realistic view of the sexes. But yep, gotta mask that shit and make girls look good. Toss those evil boys to the wolves.

    That ‘me and my babies first’ mental point of origin isn’t necessarily a bad thing either – it’s only when that learned compassion and humility are superseded by it that anti-social behaviors and hubris arise.

    Every shit-driving soccer mom in a full size SUV that’s nearly run me off the road on my bike while paying attention to her crotch goblins in the back is the end game of Solipsism Gone Wild. “Fuck you, I got mine” is the zeitgeist of our time, shouted loudly and proudly by a chorus of harpies.

  5. the first and only directive women follow -A Prime Directive, for you Star Trek fans- is Them and Their Kids.

    I’ve seen too many women place their kids at risk or even sacrifice them for the sake of tingles to agree with this.

    The Prime Directive for women is Them.
    The lesser-Prime Directive for women is Their Kids.

    Some women will combine these into one Directive. Maybe even many women, although I would argue that is more a case of simply not yet being tempted/tingled enough. But like the saying that, “Every man has his price,” I think it comes down to the level of tingles vs. the level of tingles that a woman is able to rationally resist.

  6. Could there be a bigger proof that most men are blue pill simps than that this trouser-sui-wearing, hatchet-faced, man-hating witch is being considefed a serious candidate for president. Ib a world where men had the tiniest amount of real world understanding NONE would ever vote for her. She’d literally have to get ALL the female vote.

  7. Rollo, it would be great if you could provide some evidence for female solipsism beyond a few examples. From my own experience I could name a few solipsistic women, but I could do the same for men as well, and I’m far from convinced that the trait is universal in women, or even that it’s more prevalent in women than in men.

  8. Another great post.

    This, from SD: “Most men don’t understand that level of commitment to ones personal life. Us guys view coupling as a side-activity to Other Stuff like career, hobbies, etc. Women view that subject as THEIR ENTIRE existence.”

  9. This nails it on so many levels. Well done Rollo. I’d add, I am not so sure women themselves are conciously aware of their “strategy” which may be part of the reason the protest it so loudly. Admitting solipsism is a mostly female trait is akin to acknowledging AWALT. And yes, AWALT when it come right down to the brass tacks. It’s part of the program and that program is not going to change. It can be buffered but it will never ever change. Women cannot think “just like men do” no matter how much equalists may say it is so. As you point out it’s simply because the genders ARE different and have different agendas, not because one is right/wrong or better/worse. It is what it is, always has been, always will be. Even if the majority thinks “but the earth is flat” and can maybe even explain “why” still does not make it so. It is what it is. Understanding women’s FI is just as important as it is for women to understand man’s, not doing so leaves one wide open for the taking. It is what it is.

  10. If AWALT does that mean I Am like that? Yes, yes it does, even if I don’t necessarily like it, I will admit it. Since the red pill exposed me to the idea of solipsism I have become more aware of it in myself and it’s actually helped me try to (somewhat) transcend it. Or if not that, be aware of it. But even so, it still drives my behavior to a large degree, even if I don’t like that idea or want to be “like that.”

    For example, my desire to get married. It’s in my best interest, as a woman, now isn’t it? I’d like to think his too, bc I’d like to think I will enrich and enhance his life yada yada (and I will do my best to!) but from a strictly guy (MI) perspective, is being married to one woman versus giving up his options really in his best interest? Even I have to admit its not. But yet it is in mine, as a woman. And because I am a woman, that’s what matters to me so hence I desire marriage over no commitment.

    So there you go, proof AWALT. Even me. Like it or not, admit it or not, intend it or not. Why? because my operating in what would be in man’s best interest (nsa sex w any man interested/who approaches) would leave me where?

    If that makes any sense… Maybe Rollo is following me? (Hi Rollo it’s me, Bloom🙂 )

    It is what it is. AWALT.

    And I should be sleeping…

  11. “is being married to one woman versus giving up his options really in his best interest?”

    solipsism inside a response to a post about solipsism. doesn’t get much better than that.

    she assumes marriage means a man gives up his options. this is false.

    As a married man I will fuck the brains out of any woman who crosses my attractiveness threshold. I will fuck her in a car, in the woods, in a bathroom. My wedding ring has no dampening effect on my cock and in some cases it actually makes me more attractive for a fling because the woman knows that’s all it is and that I won’t get clingy.

    she also assumes that there will be some kind of negative repercussions if I choose to exercise my options.

    this simply means she has not secured commitment from a high value man. if she had, she would know that flings are not grounds for ending the relationship and that they actually make it hotter as women love sexual competition. they need it actually.

    orgasm report: a new one this morning. 5:30a. she closes her eyes while she’s cumming and sees bright light. as bright as day.

    cock makes women see the light.

    bring them into the light and you can do whatever the fuck you want.

  12. Philosphical solipsism is the position that the only thing that exists is me, and I am basically imaging the whole rest of the world.

    “Female solipsism”, in the extended political sense, is: “The only thing that exists is the world of women”.

    The problem and commonality between the two is that, well, they are wrong. And permitting yourself to fall down that rabbit hole makes you supremely unequipped to deal with the Real World™. Women only exist as a class because of the cocoon of stuff that men provide for them.

  13. Women can learn to sublimate their solipsism. In fact, cultures and progressive societies have been founded on sublimating female solipsism.

    I love the use of the word “progressive” here. 🙂

    Rollo, can you expound on this? Does anyone have any ideas on exactly what Rollo might be referencing?

    Second class status (e.g. old Christianity, Islam)?

  14. @SD – “And we wonder why women hold us men in low esteem nowadays.” We fail to take ourselves as seriously as we do women. The saddest part of the FI soaked world we live in is that it creates men women are going to hate, yet another proof point that anything run by women goes to shit in a heartbeat. Guys, think about it? Do you want to fuck someone who is mewling and begging and desperate? How attractive is that? How can you respect that? This is why women prefer (if begrudginly) “the cad” – they at least respect them as they seem to respect themselves enough not to degrade themselves for a chance at a little pussy.

  15. Men don’t typically run toward solipsism, outside of a vocal few Gammas and Omegas. On the contrary, men run toward sacrifice.

    Just as women have the “women and children first!” mentality, men have a sacrificial instinct that is just as strong. It’s like we’re subconsciously looking for a reason to make that glorious effort.

    Recent news stories bear this out: a gunman on a train, and of the people who threw themselves into hopeless danger, it was all men who responded and no women. State trooper is overwhelmed by a criminal, it was men who stopped and took custody of the man and assisted the trooper, not women. A woman tries to steal a baby on a DC Metro train and it is a man who stops her, restrains her, and holds her for police, not a woman. The 9/11 responders who ran toward the crumbling towers, not away from them. The men in the plane who said “Let’s Roll!” and got up and acted, even though they knew it meant their certain deaths.

    One can argue that testosterone gives us both the inspiration for risky behavior and the fuel; but that doesn’t explain the heroics by ostensibly low-key, low-T dudes in an emergency. Men, in aggregate, naturally respond to crisis by running toward danger, not away from it. If we do not have a woman to sacrifice for, or a family, or if we’re personally not inclined that way, we find a cause or a vocation or Mitty-out about the idea of personal sacrifice on behalf of a greater good. It’s in our nature. And when we have nothing left to sacrifice, or nothing worthy enough to sacrifice ourselves for, we take our own lives.

    It is both the strength that men use to bind us together for greater purpose and the weakness that women use against our interests in furtherance of our own. Like female solipsism it is an instinct that serves the species but can be devastating to the individual. Awareness of our own self-destructive propensities is the only real defense against potential abuse of this instinct: don’t fall for every little “Fair Maiden” trick that’s lobbed at you as a shit test. It also requires awareness of female solipsism and hypergamy. It’s rare that all three of those things get naturally injected into a boy’s masculine subconscious before its too late, leading to broken hearts and regretted enlistment papers.

    As was previously noted up-thread, I took a swipe at female solipsism in an article on my blog, with a good real world example: tl;dr is me as the only male in an office seeing female solipsism in action when I am observed writing in a journal. Every woman there naturally and solipsistically assumed I was writing about her. Observations about the practical expression of solipsism and hilarity ensues. One of my most popular posts.

    Absolutely brilliant analysis, Rollo. I would appreciate your insights on male sacrifice.

  16. Re: RedPillGirlNotes – Guys, read what she said very carefully. Notice that she innately gets that marriage/monogamy innately serves the woman, not the man. It’s against our nature and interests.

    @Fleezer – You are spot on. I’ve begun to wonder if married women begin to hate their husbands exactly because they do submit to monogamy and one woman possessing us, and as a result feel no challenge in “keeping us”, hence the dwindling tingles that become loathing.

    I was out with a woman in NYC for dinner one night and the topic of marriage came up. I said, “Well, I might get married again but I’ll tell you this. If you turned on me and started treating me like shit or stopped wanting to have sex with me after we had children, I probably will cheat instead of getting divorced. I can’t ever lose another family or child, but also won’t live without sex and affection from a woman.” She just about shit her pants. Now I know to not say such things, but that is how I see things. I also think that having a woman worried about keeping you is part of being dominant.

    This is especially hard with the young woman I game now. At 53, it’s hard for them to not realize they are the catch. An interesting dynamic is that several have let me know that they enjoy pleasing me, knowing what a treat it is for me to have a young woman like them. They feel valued especially in this dynamic. It’s a tightrope that is only walked by plate spinning and having tight game.

  17. At a sensuous retreat, female sexual desire takes center stage
    …Madsen, a sexuality and relationship coach, uses terms like “crisis of female desire,” “vaginal disconnect” or just “angry pussies,” but we’re talking about the same thing: Women not being in touch with their desire, women being ashamed of their desire and/or women not expressing their desire and riding it like the wild pony it is.

    The retreats, often set in glorious settings like Tuscany, offer hands-on “Taoist sensuous bodywork” sessions, workshops and exercises to overcome body shame and explore desires as well as group discussions on body image, expressing desire, and how to be open to pleasure in daily life. (Or so I’m told; retreats are super-pricey, 4 to 5 grand. Further on in the story we’ve got tips for a DIY budget plan.)

    “One of our core teachings is that your pussy is your pilot light. It’s your central life force energy,” says Madsen….

  18. “The parallel to this is men’s learning to sublimate intrinsic parts of themselves – primarily their sexuality – to reinforce prosocial interaction in society.”

    That’s me as a teenager

  19. As for the topic at hand, I have a serious quibble with trying to lessen the moral impact of being solipsistic. I used to believe that women were not solipsistic and railed against this in my early RP days, but now to me it’s a given. Let’s look at the word:

    sol·ip·sism – noun
    the view or theory that the self is all that can be known to exist.

    What it means in practice is that such a person sees the others as one might see characters on a TV screen or in a movie or cartoon. They are merely objects of entertainment or curiosity or something to get what one wants from. They aren’t seen as possessing the same innate dignity and full human sovereignty as the self who is solipsistic.

    Post modernism eggs this sort of thinking on, as does our digital media soaked culture which presents us with images to consume, a mass “infotainment” edifice in which we are consuming what our eyes behold. We can “like” it or turn it off. Tinder is a perfect example of this, either tingle me or swipe – and it reflects a sick human reality.

    What confirmed this for me is how poorly women have always treated my suffering. Perfect example. When i was married, one Christmas morning I awoke with terrible nausea. I didn’t get sick much or complain about pains or not feeling well even when I did, but my erstwhile wife never cared and would always get angry with me. She began to berate me to get out of bed, that it was Christmas and special and we had to be at her sister’s by 9 am so we could open presents together with their kids and have breakfast etc…I protested but went along because I was Blue Pill.

    By the time we get in the car, I’m feeling awful. She drives and a few blocks down the street i open the door and vomit on the street. Only then does she begrudgingly turn the car around and drop me back off, but is only annoyed and doesn’t give a shit. Another incident comes to mind. We were hiking with my daughter in a backpack and I slipped on some loose ground, falling and hurting my knee badly, I was in agony. I couldn’t hold it back and yelped and moaned. It really hurt. My then wife laughed at me. Interestingly my 3 yr old daughter crawled out of the pack (i had a good one so the fall didn’t hurt her at all) and immediately began hugging me. She could tell I was hurt and was trying to comfort me. She, at 3 yrs old, had more compassion for me than my “wife”.

    To be solipsistic towards someone is to vitiate their humanity, to treat them as an object or an image. It’s EPIC CUNTERY which more and more women just feel entitled to. Why do women do so? Because they can…

    It’s funny, later in life, I ended a relationship with another woman who failed to come to my aid after a terrible injury rock climbing. I’d asked her to pick me up at the ER after initial treatment and I had to wait 3 hours after being treated for her to arrive because she was preparing for a trade show for her business (could easily have been sorted it out after picking me up).

    She got kicked to the curb shortly after and did not understand why I found this so objectionable. Fuck her and every cunt like her.

  20. Only then does she begrudgingly turn the car around and drop me back off, but is only annoyed and doesn’t give a shit.

    Do you think the reaction would have been different in an Alpha frame? Is this solipsism, or the reaction of hypergamically unsatisfied woman? Or is that the same thing?

  21. @Andy – Tell me, does your compassion for someone vary based on whether you were in an “alpha frame” or not? And no, I didn’t see this as hypergamous, I saw it as solipsistic – two entirely different ideas. Many married men will tell you of similar experiences.

    I don’t think she’d give a shit about any man’s injury or harm or suffering. This same ex also had the habit of hitting men when she was mad at them. Get the scenario. She’s a petite dime (homecoming and prom queen) and just punches or hits in what she thinks is a playful way when she’s annoyed. She used to do it to my brother in law too and one night he just grabbed her quite roughly and told her, “Don’t ever hit me again.” Funniest was the ex looking over at me for support, while I laughed.

    I had a similar incident with her. She hit me in the arm or something and I’d finally had it. I punched her in the chest, lightly, (only time I’ve ever hit a woman in my life) but enough where I knew she’d feel it and about as hard as she’d hit me. She was stunned and immediately objected. I explained, “It actually hurts when you hit me and it’s not okay.” It was like I was talking to a 6 year (who are similarly unable to comprehend how their hitting hurts others).

  22. The term Solipsism does in my view not equal egoism or following your genders agenda. Just as women men do that to the extent their surroundings let them. I also strongly disagree with a view men tend to sacrifice themselves. Betas do that, not alphas though. It’s a mislead masculinity.

    The difference between genders is men know and understand when being egoistic or egocentric (and they do it anyway) while the female thinking hides the egoism from the women itself. Solipsism means not even understanding how egoistic and egocentric she is.

    The Solipsism of women and some men comes from thinking in emotions. It’s counted as some great spiritual truth how everything is one. But that is just emotional thinking. Emotional thinking cannot differentiate between different subjects, their different emotions (resulting from different perspectives) and especially the dynamics between different subjects. For the emotions it’s all one – one feeling to describe the whole. Needless to say this emotional thinking is far inferior to rational thinking. Especially it is far less capable of empathy, because empathy needs some understanding the other is someone else with different emotions and interests that may be opposed to your interests and emotions.

    That doesn’t mean though women weren’t capable of being empathic with someone else (though it’s rare). It basically means in emotional thinking frame is everything. Who dominates the frame will dominate the emotional thinking.

    Female Solipsism is then first and foremost a tool to fight for frame control. Solipsism makes it nearly impossible for women to differentiate between persons frames. If she enters the dominant frame of some man her Solipsism will make her think it’s her frame and she will start working on it as if it were hers. And as soon as the man slips into that emotional thinking, he will enter her frame and she won the dominance.

  23. My comment on solipsism may reveal while I feel leaving a woman sticky, broke and confused is a perfectly moral way to behave. After realizing not a single one of them would be there for me in my time of need, I’ve adjusted. I get what i want out of them, and anything else is gravy. My needs come first and if they aren’t meeting them, I’m out. I also play them like harps now without any regret.

    This is how a self-respecting, sentient being should respond to such treatment. Not by trying to find a “unicorn” or an NAWALT specimen. AWALT – get it. Are you dealing with women as they are or how you wish they were in your idealized worldview? Fyi, I’m a natural alpha and women never cared about my suffering, no matter how dominant the scenario. What I do now is deal with them with same selfishness, funnily, I think transmitting this in everything I do has them get that I “get it”.

  24. I don’t think she’d give a shit about any man’s injury or harm or suffering.

    Yeah, but if she dreaded losing you she might pretend to care. Or actually care? I am not sure. I’m sure you’ve seen the cheerleaders fawn over the injured QB.

  25. @Rollo –

    “Women’s solipsistic nature however is an integral part of their evolved psychological firmware. Solipsism is the evolved, selected-for result of self-preservation necessities that ensured the survival of our species”

    “Women’s mental point of origin begins with their own self-importance, and the overriding importance of their own and their offspring’s survival”.

    Survival?? WTF?? “Survival” ??????

    This has nothing to do with “survival”. Survival is literally guaranteed in our society today. If you are referencing some left over residual innate instinctive drive, then I only partially agree.

    No one is so stupid to miss the fact that children are most often used in our society today as hostages against men and the tax paying members of our society by women to insure themselves a life of relative leisure and materialistic self indulgence.

    What matters is what is really happening now, today, in real life to real individuals, not some glib philosophical pontification about why women are behaving as they do. Unfortunately some of your words can be interpreted to reflect a grand White Knight pussy pass excuse for women.

  26. @scribblerg

    “I’m a natural alpha and women never cared about my suffering, no matter how dominant the scenario.”

    There are no natural alpha’s on this site, not even rollo.

  27. @NBTM

    “This has nothing to do with “survival”. Survival is literally guaranteed in our society today. If you are referencing some left over residual innate instinctive drive, then I only partially agree.”

    So you don’t believe in hypergamy or briffault’s law neither? The red pill is founded on females innate biological drives.

  28. I don’t know why the manosphere still call women solipistic, we should call it for what it is, DELUSIONAL.

  29. NBTM – “Survival is literally guaranteed in our society today.”

    Physical survival yes, social survival not so much. In the absence of a genuine threat to physical security the only worry is social security via status! and that is the nature of hypergamy. It’s why women branch swing even if they have secured a top man, because there is always someone better, someone with more, newer, or higher status!

    The social survival angle also explains excesses in fashion, materialism, and plastic surgery. Without any actual immediate physical threats the latent fear of possible, though unlikely, material deprivation seems to cause a sort of hoarding behavior. She who dies with most shoes wins so to speak.

  30. @ScribblerG and Andy

    Rollo dealt with this in terms of lack of empathy and sympathy in the essay “Empathy”. It arises from solipsism but is a more specific lacking in the nature of women relating to men.

    “Women do not lack a capacity to sympathize with male hardship or pain, but they categorically lack a capacity to empathize with uniquely male experiences.”

    And Scribbler, guess how much empathy and sympathy I am getting from my wife for my current abstinent state. (Not that I need any at all, and it is not a topic of discussion at all, but it’s none).

  31. “Fyi, I’m a natural alpha and women never cared about my suffering,”

    Now this is solipsism.

    Ps,
    Natural Alpha who is suffering ! .

  32. You want to have babies with a woman you live with, get married. It’s pretty good.

    You want to experience love? Have a son and take care to raise him properly. That kid will love you, and it’s quite likely he will own your heart.

  33. The thing I never understood when I was ill or injured was that wifey was angry at me. It was as if I was repressing her when I was fit and she was now able to take revenge.

    As always I was over complicating it – she was just being a twat.

  34. @scribblerg

    I relate to your sentiments.

    When our daughter was born she was diagnosed with a chromosome malformation. My wife and her mother became extremely emotionally theatrical, and angry with the physician who diagnosed the problem simply for diagnosing it. The medical staff was obviously disgusted with their antics and started communicating details to me to avoid having to deal with the soap opera. They wailed on and on about “the baby” as if condition of “the baby” had ruined their plans. Our daughter may as well have been nothing more than a defective object that ruined their expectations of masturbating their egos and emotions as they had planned.

    Their behavior was irrational to me, but not to them, because “the baby” meant something very different to me than them. To me our daughter was a completely separate new human I intended to (have and still do) love, respect, care for, educate and guide. To them she was an inanimate object of disappointment that didn’t comply with their expectations of “a baby”.

    This bullshit ensued with me feeling oddly confused and distraught over their irrationality until my wife’s father arrived at the hospital and told them, “Well, this little baby girl may have some difficulties in life most of us do not face, but you can still take her home and love her just as much as any other.” His words exposed their crap for what it was and simultaneously shammed them into at least going through the motions of accepting responsibility.

    Unfortunately, the bullshit did not cease there and I have spent the past 16 – 1/2 years painstakingly combating it. A lot of drama and exaggeration continued. My wife would call me in the middle of the day bitching, saying things like, “she’s driving me crazy!” My wife’s mother died about a year after our daughter was born and her poisonous spoiled rotten influence was significantly reduced but continued as my wife essentially deified her.

    Fortunately our daughter is very bright and I have been able to spend a lot of time with her. She is an excellent student enrolled at a highly accredited high school for academically high achievers despite the fact that my said over and over in front of her, “She’ll NEVER get in there!, that’s for smart kids”….”I just don’t think she’s got what it takes!”. Her intent was to dumb down our daughter for her own purposes rather than encourage development. Sometimes it is all I can do to stop myself from slapping my wife into the next universe. Our daughter was accepted easily without reservation based and is doing very well as I suspected she would.

    The mentality my wife embraces seems to be very typical of most women and especially women who have not experienced strong consistent rational male guidance from their fathers…which is most women today in our society. It is not positive male influence passed from the father through the mother that makes the difference, it is the fathers direct involvement, commitment, direct engagement and time devoted that makes the difference.

  35. @Bromeo

    “Believe in” ?

    I am not required to, nor will I, pretend the same things to myself as you prefer to pretend to yourself.

    Unlike you, I prefer to base my perceptions upon my actual experience of reality rather than paradigms borrowed from others. Intellectual plagiarism is the epitome of intellectual laziness and only makes you appear to be a parroting drooling zombie.

  36. @Badpainter

    You make an excellent point. Thank you.

    However, should we allow ourselves to be held hostage by a concern for woman’s right to social survival? Are their rights more important than ours?

  37. @Rollo –

    “Alpha frame may satisfy Hypergamy, but it is a thing apart from feminine solipsism”

    Yet its very existence as defined in terms of male – female interaction is based upon feminine perspective.

  38. NBTM – “However, should we allow ourselves to be held hostage by a concern for woman’s right to social survival? Are their rights more important than ours?”

    No and fuck no.

  39. @Sun Wukong wrote, “Every shit-driving soccer mom in a full size SUV that’s nearly run me off the road on my bike while paying attention to her crotch goblins in the back is the end game of Solipsism Gone Wild. ‘Fuck you, I got mine” is the zeitgeist of our time, shouted loudly and proudly by a chorus of harpies.”

    You must live in my slice of suburbia. This is an almost perfect description of the soccer moms in my area. The only thing I would add is they’re really good at hiding their “fuck you, I got mine” attitude behind the veneer of suburban respectability. But a fair number don’t even attempt to display any social graces with you if they’ve decided you don’t advance their agenda somehow. The ones who crack me up are the ones with a liberal bent, or who at least want you to think they’re open-minded and all that happy trash. All you have to do is look at what they say versus who they actually hang out with (i.e., other white upper middle class spoiled brat women like themselves) to know they’re full of shit.

    I’ve never understood why having a wife who’s a stay-at-home mom is revered in many corners of Red Pill Land. Not that having a wife who’s a SJW lawyer or the Assistant Director of Human Resources Diversity Initiatives is any prize either, but the SAHM of today (emphasis on today) is vapid and self-absorbed beyond belief.

  40. Recognizing the importance of feminine solipsism is not an endorsement of the anti-social, and often cruel, byproducts of it.

    No doubt, men who’ve been on the sharp end of this will grind their teeth at the inevitable narcissism that becomes an extension of women’s solipsism. I’ll agree. Socially we’re living in an era of unprecedented (western) narcissism manifested in a vast majority of women.

    At no other time in history have women become more accustomed to perceived entitlements of personal security, ubiquitous social control and relative assurances of optimizing Hypergamous imperatives. At no other time have women’s sexual strategies been of such primary importance to society. However, this narcissism is the result of an acculturation and learned social priorities that predispose women to expectations that border on arrogance. Over recent generations that narcissism has become learned and fostered in women to the point that narcissism is openly embraced as a feminine strength – women believe it’s their due after a long suffrage.

  41. Had a young (slightly underage, unfortunately) gorgeous HB9 and a couple of her similarly aged male friends I was talking with at a coffee shop the other day. At one point they asked if I was married. I replied that I was not, then one of the guys started talking about how he was looking for a woman to have a long term thing with. I told him “No man should ever consider settling down before 30. Ever.”

    First one to really react was the chick. Despite the fact that several times in the conversation both guys and her had tried to NAWALT on her behalf (and in only one case was she maybe an exception), two truths instantly came out in her reaction: “By then all the women are getting old and less attractive. Why would you wait that long?”

    She acknowledged The Wall even though she wasn’t 18 yet. They’re all aware of it, and very early on. Secondly, she looked at it strictly from the female point of view and the guys agreed with the feminine point of view until I pointed out “Men can date younger women, and women do in fact dig older guys, right?”

    She was stopped in her tracks, forced to step outside the solipsistic feminine-primary view of age and relationships. “Oh, I guess you’re right.” It was funny seeing the realization toss her thought processes in to turmoil, but even funnier to see the guys light up with the realization that they didn’t have to be in a hurry to lock themselves down. The one that mentioned looking for a long term thing was quite the player already, and relieved to hear that he had another good 15 years of doing it before he had to think of giving it up.

  42. TheLastCoyote – “I’ve never understood why having a wife who’s a stay-at-home mom is revered in many corners of Red Pill Land.”

    The ideal marriage requires a wife who provides:

    1. Sex…
    2. …resulting in children
    3. Domestic services…
    4. …such that they enhance the status! of the husband

    In exchange the husband provides;

    1. Material provisions
    2. Physical security
    3. Social security and respectability

    A wife who works outside the home can’t really do her job at home because of logistics and mental distraction. And women hate men who reverse the homemaker/provider roles so that’s not an option. Thus SAHM is the ideal. Even if the reality Sun Wukong refers to is less than perfect it’s far better than the equal-partners-FI-dream-marriage and the neutering that it requires of the husbands.

  43. Some recent experience with single women, particularly younger women, suggests to me that solipsism as a mechanism of self-preservation no longer operates in an environment where there is need for such.

    Without a social or biological ‘receptor’, her solipsism becomes unbridled, free to fester in areas that serve no purpose. This absence of necessity does not render it inert but rather allows it to go unchecked.

    Where once her solipsism worked toward self-preservation it now works toward self-promotion. I think this is where we see the slide into narcissistic personality traits. But I’ll leave that to Rollo to dissect.

    I may be way off, but it does seem like these natural protective responses can be problematic when the environment is scrubbed of the corresponding threats or conditions in which they evolved to function positively.

    Hasn’t our culture removed the need and thus purpose of solipsism? Female primacy is presumed. A woman rarely “come[s] into contact with biological and social imperatives of men” that have not already been marginalized, muted, mitigated, or re-purposed for her benefit.

    The male biological and social imperatives are paper dragons. While the messaging may propagate the patriarchy as ‘stronger than ever’, certainly the subroutine in her lizard brain is struggling to actually find these powerful male imperatives on the ground. Or is the messaging enough to override?

    “…women to seeing their children as extensions of themselves and their own identities.” “…women to children, children to puppies.”

    With the delay (and devaluing) of marriage, and thus family formation and having children coming much later – if at all, we have more conditions (and a much longer duration) that leaves the door open for solipsism to metastasize – a solution looking for a problem.

    Women skip the children and go straight to puppies*. A man now encounters a woman that has solipsistic perspectives that have not yielded her the reproductive and provisioning needs as designed but instead are guarding her whimsy and emotional state with the same vigor.

    Many women have become both the woman and the child. Many more are woman, child, and her various online personas, which are the offspring of this modern cohort – all of which hold primacy over some man running tangent to her sphere. The protect and preserve directive of her solipsism have extended into the realm of facebook, Tinder, Pinterest, Instagram, and the like.

    The notion of extending themselves and their identities may have developed out of necessity to preserve genetic lineage but in absence of offspring and threats to same, I see this extension of self leaking into all areas of her life in many detrimental ways.

    “it’s only when that learned compassion and humility are superseded by it that anti-social behaviors and hubris arise.” – This is the norm now. What portion of our culture is teaching women to sublimate anything?

    *In my experience, anthropomorphism is on the rise. Single women with dogs in particular. Animals as children. As extensions of the self. “Me and my babies” now includes animals and her online personas. The bubble is thickening.

    My appetite for sussing out whether her behavior is transient solipsistic impulse or full-blown narcissism is waning. Most women are in deep and don’t seem to grasp that their growing bubbles are part of why they are getting tossed back. So its a night with the dog instead. And the cycle continues.

  44. @Flatnose
    Thanks for putting up that version of that song, instead of Linda Ronstadt’s. Which I do like, and I love Linda Ronstadt’s singing. But I like finding out about and knowing when someone has done the original song, (if Betty Everett’s is actually the original recording) when someone else is given more credit for covering it.
    Due to loving many different kinds of music and knowing how the music business has been historically in the way it’s treated lots of artist

    Watching day time television analytically, you’ll see all kinds of examples of solipsism.

  45. Rollo is a smart man. I was agreeing with him, btw, not arguing for a solipsism pass. He’s correct in saying it is how women are hardwired, IMHO. The fact that is is so askew today is because the current lack of societal restraint on it allows it to run amuck. To women’s own detriment. It’s gone so far the feminine imperative will flip back against feminism itself is my bet. Or hope anyway. Peace.

  46. To Razorwire’s point, feminine solipsism “metastasizes” into Narcissism when it is socially left unchecked. I addressed this in the paragraphs about narcissism, but in our current social order (and courtesy of social media) solipsism is not just unchecked but fed and reinforced to become a learned and accepted narcissism.

    I can fully appreciate NBTM’s rage at even addressing solipsism as a tacit endorsement of it. However, my acknowledging it no more absolves women of the responsibility for it than it would if I were to acknowledge the influences (and consequences) of men’s unchecked sexual imperatives.

    Acknowledging solipsism in women is not a license or excuse for not having the self-awareness to control the negative outcomes of it.

  47. I’ve never understood why having a wife who’s a stay-at-home mom is revered in many corners of Red Pill Land.

    True story. I just got back from lunch. Wife made me a sandwich, then I fucked her. Then I came back to work.

  48. And yes i get it that even my concern about the impact on women, and myself, is sophilistic. Because I am a woman and AWALT. Women’s worst fear is that stuff falls apart. Not that they are putting it together that they themselves are driving that.

  49. Please also do not misunderstand that I am condoning women’s bad behavior or the atrocious way many of you describe how you have been treated. I am saying it’s NOT ok or good.

  50. bear in mind that an Alpha frame may satisfy Hypergamy, but it is a thing apart from feminine solipsism.

    I read the empathy post. I still don’t get the whole cheerleaders fawning over the injured QB phenomenon. How does this relate to solipsism and hypergamy?

  51. “to the point that narcissism is openly embraced as a feminine strength…”

    And this is not just in the west sensei…other westernised societies, even here in urban cities in Africa.

    Eagerly awaiting part II!

  52. RE: Sun’s story
    https://therationalmale.com/2015/09/02/solipsism-i/#comment-116752

    Truman was asking for more instances as evidence of feminine solipsism. This is one. Women’s mental point of origin (solipsism) presumes the entire world outside of her agrees with her imperative and mutually shares the importance and priorities of it.

    Just like The Red Pill lens, it takes a sensitivity to it, but you will begin to notice instances of that solipsism all around you if you pay attention. An equalists, feminine-primary upbringing and acculturation predisposes men to accept the manifestations of this solipsism as ‘normal’, so we blow it off or nod in agreement with it without really considering it. That’s what the other men in Sun’s story were exhibiting.

    We are conditioned to accept that what best benefits women’s sexual strategy IS necessarily what benefits men. When we accept and reinforce this socially, we feed and confirm women’s solipsistic natures.

    I called InsanityBytes to the carpet about her first priority being to defend the Sisterhood when Dalrock posted about a woman’s abortions or another who’d joined Ashley Madison and rationalized it away because she was in a loveless marriage with a man who was in his last days.

    This is another instance of solipsism; that a woman’s first directive is to defend her sex’s imperatives even above considerations of religious conviction, marriage vows or espoused personal ideology. That’s the depth of feminine solipsism.

  53. I cannot remember where I read it but there is an anthropological model which states that: men identify themselves by what they do: provide, protect, fuck. As those were the skills to ensure survival of the species and led to status and mating opportunities. However, in the stoneage, women not having the physical strength to hunt and fight as single units, needed to bond with a sisterhood to survive and gain collective shaming power and control over the rules allowing men access to sex. in order to get control over men. Hence social bonding became their strength. The banishments of the slut (you cannot give sex away for free) and bad mother (loss of moral high ground) are methods in which the sisterhood keep their powerbase strong.

    The argument continues, as women needed to be more socially savvy they have a tendency to perceive themselves not by their actions but how they perceive themselves to be perceived. This is a direct result of having to survive on their social skills rather than their ability to kill an antelope.

    The scales fell from my eyes when I came to understood the above.

  54. @Badpainter – In theory, those are the benefits of having a SAHM wife. In the past, maybe as recent as even 30 years ago, many guys with a SAHM wife did in fact enjoy those benefits in reality.

    Not so sure as many guys with SAHM wives enjoy those benefits today, though. Like your average career woman, today’s average SAHM wears her “busy-ness” as a badge of honor and their narcissism knows no bounds.

  55. One more thought and I’ll be quiet. It is because of good men like Rollo and Badpainter and others that I even begin to understand any of this and how destructive women have become. In fact I started a blog to try and translate these things to women hoping they might hear it from a fellow woman easier than from a man who they have been brainwashed to think is the enemy. So I mean no harm and apologize if I have upset anyone. Peace.

  56. I still don’t get the whole cheerleaders fawning over the injured QB phenomenon. How does this relate to solipsism and hypergamy?

    Confirmed Alpha status in a man is intrinsically valuable to women. If the QB is unattached and the cheerleader is in sexual competition for his attention it serves her solipsistic interest to fawn on him when he’s hurt.

    If the cheerleader and the QB have been married for a few years and her security is dependent upon him measuring up to a burden of performance she expect from him, you’ll see a much different scenario when he’s injured.

    I think it was Morpheus or Deti back on J4G who compared this situation to female gorillas bringing bananas to, and fighting off other females for the privilege of preening the Alpha male gorilla they wanted to breed with. All while the lesser Beta males brought food and preened the females they hoped would breed with them when they weren’t ovulating.

    Alpha fucks/Beta bucks. The females didn’t care if the Betas lived or died or were happy or well groomed; there would always be more Beta gorillas to replace them and the resource security they provided. They did care about the wellbeing of the Alpha gorilla to the point that they’ll fight other females for his attentions.

  57. In the past, maybe as recent as even 30 years ago, many guys with a SAHM wife did in fact enjoy those benefits in reality.

    Maybe I’m being naive, but I believe it’s possible for almost every man today. You might have fewer and less desirable “stuff” than dual income people, but it’s worth it. IMO

  58. Rollo – “Solipsism is a psychological vestige from a time when conditions necessitated an overwhelming need for security”

    A time that ended, more or less, about 100 years ago. So thousands of years of behavioral/physical evolution vs. 100 years of easy survival, I wonder which has greater influence?

  59. Re: SAHM

    I think the degree to which a man believes such an ideal is real possibility is directly related to his faith that the First Set of Books is still in effect.

  60. @Badpainter

    “A time that ended, more or less, about 100 years ago. So thousands of years of behavioral/physical evolution vs. 100 years of easy survival, I wonder which has greater influence?”

    This.

  61. Confirmed Alpha status in a man is intrinsically valuable to women. If the QB is unattached and the cheerleader is in sexual competition for his attention it serves her solipsistic interest to fawn on him when he’s hurt.
    If the cheerleader and the QB have been married for a few years and her security is dependent upon him measuring up to a burden of performance she expect from him, you’ll see a much different scenario when he’s injured.

    This is what I was thinking, but doesn’t that mean that solipsism and hypergamy are intrinsically intertwined?

  62. I think the degree to which a man believes such an ideal is real possibility is directly related to his faith that the First Set of Books is still in effect.

    Directly or inversely? Because I’m living it. So I know it’s possible.

  63. @Bromeo – On solipsism and hypergamy: Correct, was about to say the same thing.

    @Keyser: “I don’t know why the manosphere still call women solipistic, we should call it for what it is, DELUSIONAL.”

    Solipsism is an evolutionary mechanism. It may cause them to act in a way that we men, especially when we are BP, see it as delusion…but it is merely a fact of their existence – what should be more in focus, is our awareness, the degree to which they act based on it….

  64. @ Andy

    Directly.

    I should have said a likely possibility, instead of real possibilty. Also bear in mind if your situation doesn’t conform to my description then either you’re:

    1. An exception.

    2. An example of how a generalization fails to work for an individual case, like how BMI is poor measure of individual health but a good indicator for aggregate populations.

  65. 1. An exception.

    Yeah, no. It is harder than it probably used to be because society tells girls that careers are “So rewarding!” Luckily for me daycare is so f’ing expensive that it isn’t financially worth it for a woman to work unless she’s making a serious amount of money. I basically worked it from that angle, and then guilt about missing all those memories of the kids growing up. The guilt angle works really well.

    Once you get her to the point where you’re supporting her mixed with red pill internalized alpha… You’re golden. It’s natural. It is not a lot of work. My wife isn’t a fucking unicorn, and I’m not an Alpha god.

  66. I know I said I’d be quiet but this:

    “The banishments of the slut (you cannot give sex away for free) and bad mother (loss of moral high ground) are methods in which the sisterhood keep their powerbase strong.”

    This is what women used to do but don’t anymore – keep each other in check or ostracize the ones who wouldn’t. Frivorce was nit ok. Rollo is again correct that thanks to the “go gurrrl, empowerment, likes on social media, women now egg on bad behavior. Not good for men or women or children.

  67. Joe
    September 3rd, 2015 at 11:45 am

    “You want to have babies with a woman you live with, get married. It’s pretty good.

    You want to experience love? Have a son and take care to raise him properly. That kid will love you, and it’s quite likely he will own your heart.”

    That last point is a very underrated topic in the manosphere. And I don’t agree with Joe. In my opinion that path is very dangerous. Directing your need for love towards your children will not so much harm them, it gives them power over you (I know because my father went that route). But it will weaken the man because he is cultivating his emotional needs and not his strength. From what I see it’s often the final coffin to betaisation. And in the next step it’s making your divorce really hurtful. Next you’ll become some whiny “MRA” crying over how women get the children in courts and why nobody cares for your feelings and needs and so on…

    The issue isn’t even how you got no chance on this path in todays world. Or how women are evil and will try to get you there because having Oneitis for her child gives her just as much power as Oneitis for her. The real issue is cultivating that weakness as a man is simply wrong. A man should cultivate his (inner) strength, having no emotional needs, only preferences. And the way to get there is to accept a man will never be loved the way he desires and thinks it should be possible. It’s indeed more possible with a son than with women, but for your own sake accept: it’s just as true.

  68. Andy your children will also be so much more secure for it as well. Good for you guys!

    Oodly some of the women I counsel irl who are the most unhaaaapy are sahm which I don’t get. So that’s a risk, maybe that message from society that mothering is “not a career” or something causes this. I tell these women they are LUCKY to have a man who does that for their family! Appreciate him (sammiches and nooners are good ideas!)

  69. “Oodly some of the women I counsel irl who are the most unhaaaapy are sahm which I don’t get.”

    Providing for the women is beta, no wonder they are unhappy. I thought you were Red Pill?

  70. And the solipsism Oscar goes too,,(drum,drum, drum,drum),
    Michelle Carter, she was being a good Samaritan by encouraging her friend to kill himself.

  71. “And the solipsism Oscar goes too,,(drum,drum, drum,drum),
    Michelle Carter, she was being a good Samaritan by encouraging her friend to kill himself.”

    The interesting point about that case was how she acted just as a man should towards a BPD-bitch making suicide threats.

  72. @redpillgirlnotes

    It’s gone so far the feminine imperative will flip back against feminism itself is my bet. Or hope anyway.

    “Will”? Try “has”.

    The group I mentioned talking to further up thread was mostly just having their own conversation at the same table I was at, so I was mostly just leaving them to their own devices to satisfy my own curiosity. Listening to their conversation was enlightening, particularly at a moment when one of the guys trampled in to a moment that would offend your typical SJW. He then turned to the chick and said “You’re not a feminist are you?” to which she replied with utter disgust “God no.”

    For the record all 3 were also utterly non-religious and did not espouse any real political affiliation. Their reaction is surprisingly common. For all we in the ‘sphere hear the constant drumbeat that colleges are just indoctrination centers for a toxic brand of feminist-infused left wing ideology, the majority of young high schoolers and college students I’ve talked to make every effort to distance themselves from being labeled “feminist”. We just hear news of a very vocal minority.

    Even the ones that share a few beliefs with them are terrified of the term. Feminism has become the way to find yourself labeled a social pariah. They really overplayed their hand over the past couple years, and I think the backlash has started, particularly among the young.

  73. @Water Cannon Boy

    Thanks. Full history here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You%27re_No_Good

    “You’re No Good” is a song written by Clint Ballard, Jr. which first charted for Betty Everett in 1963 and became a number 1 hit in 1975 for Linda Ronstadt. The original version of “You’re No Good” was cut by Dee Dee Warwick for Jubilee Records in 1963 with production by Jerry Leiber and Mike Stoller.

    Morpheus: The Matrix is everywhere, it is all around us, even now in this very room. You can see it when you look out your window, or you turn on your television. You can feel it when you go to work, when you go to church, when you pay your taxes. It is the world that has been pulled over your eyes to blind you from the truth.

    Thanks Rollo for another great year.

  74. Andy your children will also be so much more secure for it as well. Good for you guys!

    Thanks, I hope so. My wife’s happiness is basically my highest priority. I view it kind of like the girl in the bubble at the top of the post. Her bubble is the kids and the house work. I take care of everything else. It actually surprises me how little she cares about anything outside of that bubble.

    I know that when the kids are in school and she has free time it may be a different dynamic. We’ll see how it changes.

  75. @Andy

    There’s lots of part time work from home stuff like Mechanical Turk and a bunch of different freelance job boards for people of various talents. Those seem like a really great solution if a SAHM finds herself with time on her hands. Even the availability of online educational resources like Kahn Academy and Udacity are great if she wants to refresh subjects she could help her kids with for school or even study stuff she might want to get in to eventually.

    Honestly there’s more resources than ever to keep a SAHM happy, educated, and busy when the kids become a part time thing by starting school, and to help her head back in to the workforce once they’re completely independent. It’s really a great time to be in that position if you’re a woman.

  76. @Rollo
    Agree completely with the article. Even a lot of PUAs hang onto the “if I do X she’ll do Y” belief and it can take a brutal “wtf was that??” moment for them to learn about solipsism the hard way.

    Thing is a lot of guys will get pissed off like “these girls are such selfish bitches” when their girl is “annoyed” that their man is sick for more than a day or two and suddenly stops being nurturing toward them. But when you understand that her subconscious is basically thinking “maybe my man isn’t the invincible superman I believed he was, I don’t WANT to see him be sick because now I have to instinctively question whether he can take care of us or if I should be monkey branching”. It’s not really a malicious thing, it’s just survival. Her goal is for her and her offspring to be provided for and protected. If you’re sick then you’re showing you can’t do that. It’s nothing personal.

    To flip it around it’s kind of like if you had a wife who suddenly stopped going to the gym and doing her makeup and dressing hot. At first you’d be like oh okay well you need a break so sure I’ll support you. But after a few days of it you’re like “so uhhh is this a THING now? Because I’m not cool with this. I entered this deal expecting you to look like you did when we were dating and you’re no longer living up to what I thought you were going to be and I’m getting worried that I’m stuck with a wife who’s going to become a fat slob now…no I don’t want to give you anymore sympathy or bring you donuts or try to convince you to join a gym, I want you to just stop being the thing I didn’t think you were and to WANT to join a gym and look hot for me.”

    Like, one of the scariest things in the world to a woman is banking all her chips on a guy who turns out to be a paper alpha. That’s why she keeps shit-testing even in marriage, because she’s trying to make sure you’re an alpha thru and thru because you pass those little tests and she can feel secure that you’re that guy. She shit-tests an alpha guy less because she has so much reassurement that he’ll pass her shit-tests…whereas she’ll shit-test a guy who’s starting to let himself be beta and will ESCALATE her shit-tests HOPING that she finally finds some boundary where he snaps and doesn’t put up with her shit anymore. It’s like when a little kid acts out, they WANT their parents to punish them so that they know they can trust their parents to have rules and a path and guidance for them…if the parents don’t establish some kind of rules/boundaries, the kid will just keep escalating and seems like just a bad kid but they’re really just a kid who needs boundaries because no one is stepping in to enforce any and they’re just a a kid they don’t know how to do that themselves yet.

    On top of it women these days are encouraged and rewarded FOR embracing their solipsism. In the past there were social/lifestyle/surival consequences for running around willy-nilly running on emotions and letting solipsism get out of control, society would ostracize them for doing something as silly as an eat pray love “I’m unhaaaappy” bailing on a decent but boring man, and her husband had the socially-acceptable power to snuff bad behavior out. Doesn’t work that way in modern feminist society.

    Good recent example, my buddy was at dinner with a couple and they had a little boy and girl. Both were throwing tantrums all over the restaraunt. The boy got taken outside and scolded (probably spanked) and came back and apologized for his behavior and settled down. The girl was not just not taken outside and scolded/spanked but GIVEN COOKIES to try to bribe her into calming down.

    What did those kids learn from that (and thousands of little incidents like that before they’re even 10 years old)? The little boy learned to do what everyone tells him and fall in line or there will be consequences. The little girl learned follow your feels you’re the center of the world and if you do you’ll get REWARDED for it.

    Is it any wonder when that boy grows up a stifled beta who’s scared to talk loud in class and draw attention to himself and approach a girl he likes, and that girl grows up to be an eat pray love full-raging-solipsism no-control-over-her-emotions start-a-hate-mob-against-someone-I-disagree-with play-up-the-victim-narrative talk-back-or-hit-men-bigger-than-me woman? Not when you’re seeing the world around you clearly.

    Is a woman’s solipsism, hypergamy, one-sided exchanges, etc fair? No. But it’s the way shit works. You can fight it and be angry or accept it and work around it. The big problem is that Disney and society has brought men up to refuse to believe that this very obvious dynamic doesn’t exist and they’re raised to think that when they’re sick their girl will be there for them through thick and thin no matter what and then are blindsided when she acts exactly the way anyone who actually understands chick-brains can predict she would react. And she might BE super nurturing all through your illness, if you’re an overall alpha dude and have done everything right, or she’s lost her looks and knows you’re the best she can do, or in an older society before she had social media validation and options and it was either help nurse you back to health or settle for some lesser guy in your small town you live in (VS being able to ditch you because she got a retweet from Chris Hemsworth).

    And even THEN from what I’ve seen they often want to nurture the guy who’s trying to get out of bed and refusing help, over the guy who’s voluntarily laying in bed asking for sympathy and help. The former is an alpha who she has to try to get to take a break from being a badass for her own survival (if he wears himself out she has no provision), the latter is a half-asleep lion she has to kick to get up and help her survive so she resents him.

    @Lurker
    Haven’t watched it but James Marshall has good stuff on certain topics, like multiple relationships:

    And he’s a good example of VERY low energy pickup which is good for lower energy guys and

    He’s a part of Liam McRae’s group who stresses laser eye-contact, slower talking etc. I wouldn’t look to him for info on feminism or anything though, dude has had some weird life experiences (I think he lived in a monastary doing kung fu with monks and shit) and can probably MAKE blue pill beliefs on women/feminism/etc work because he’s got strong internals. I think a lot of PUAs try to teach “out of their zone”, like their expertise in one area convinces them they’re experts in any area and can teach other areas as well as they teach pickup. But like, if you follow my writing you’ll notice I never get involved in politics or history or race discussions because they’re simply not topics I’m well-versed in (or care to be well-versed in lol). That doesn’t mean I can’t/don’t have opinions on it, it’s just that I wouldn’t go up and teach a bunch of dudes my opinion as an authority figure on the subject at a convention and would disclaim that I don’t know/care much about the subject.

    “By the way, this video is good, yareally would recommend, lol”

    Haven’t watched it, that dude’s eyes creep me out and I randomly clicked halfway through it and he was “conjuring up my sexual intent if you just give me a moment” lol Wouldn’t recommend this vid at all.

    No idea what that guy talks about but this is the main vid I recommend on sexual escalation:

    @Not Born This Morning
    “This has nothing to do with “survival”. Survival is literally guaranteed in our society today.”

    YOU know that. I know that. We all know that. In some cases even her conscious/fore/whatever brain knows that. But her subconscious/reptile/instinctive/whatever brain doesn’t. All that brain is hearing is that she’s a huge victim and life is hard and women are oppressed and every day is a battle for her because she has a vagina, despite statistics or her actual real-life experiences etc.

    “No one is so stupid to miss the fact that children are most often used in our society today as hostages against men and the tax paying members of our society by women to insure themselves a life of relative leisure and materialistic self indulgence.”

    Ya, they’re securing Survival. Most women have fun with the whole girl power career thing at first but they aren’t visualizing themselves slogging into an office at 6am when they’re 55 years old with a sore back still hoping they don’t get replaced by a 20 year old and can afford a roof over their head. Their mental image of them as a career woman just “stops” at like 35 or 40 where they assume “something” will happen and they’ll be fine (aka a man rescuing them). They’re not viewing survival through a rational lens that says “I can survive off eating bread every day and a loaf is $3 so I only need $X to survive”, they’re gathering as much as they can because they’re probably going to be pretty much helpless past 45 if they’re still single.

    “What matters is what is really happening now, today, in real life to real individuals, not some glib philosophical pontification about why women are behaving as they do.”

    Understanding WHY people behave as they do helps us teach other men what to be aware and look out for to avoid being victims of it.

    If a man knew going into a marriage that the “love of his life” was capable of 180’ing on him and bailing on him on a moment’s notice and using his kids against him as hostages to secure income for herself etc etc, and fully understood all the psychology behind why she’ll do that so he knows it’s a realistic possiblity, would he get married? Fuck no. But no one teaches him that. They teach him that women are just like men and women are perfect angels and she’ll be there for rich or for poor through sickness and in health etc so that he can go get duped and fucked over and end up the next Robin Williams.

    The discussion is important for helping men, even if it gives you bad feels.

    “Unfortunately some of your words can be interpreted to reflect a grand White Knight pussy pass excuse for women.”

    That’s just anger stage interpretation. Rollo’s assessment is accurate, he’s not taking away responsibility and personal accountability for women he’s just pointing out that women are wired different. Personally I think the big mistake is EXPECTING women to take responsibilty and personal accountability in the first place. That’s the big lie right there. Expecting them to act like men and be “honorable” and all that…instead of accepting that she’s going to throw you under the bus if it’s in her best interests lol If someone who did a bunch of “glib philosophical pontificationg” had been able to educate you that your wife would turn out to act like she does in the situation you’ve both been put in, would you have married her? Probably not. It’s important to look at the “why” behind these things.

    I’m not disappointed in women because I don’t expect them to do shit I know they aren’t capable of doing or are hardwired to avoid doing. I don’t get mad at a 5 year old for not being able to do my taxes either, because I don’t expect him to be capable of that. Whereas society has convinced most men that a 5yo is able to do their taxes and then they’re shocked when he fails at it and are pissed at the 5yo for not being able to do it when even the 5yo was told his whole 5 years of life that he was the best at doing taxes no matter what garbage he scribbled on the paper…he THOUGHT he could do your taxes lol

    It’s actually interesting to me that Rollo’s writing on this would have ANY push-back…to me that means we have a long ways to go for men to fully wake up still.

    “My wife and her mother became extremely emotionally theatrical”

    They instinctively view your daughter as a hinderance to their Survival. If she had a been a strong healthy boy who could take care of them (if they brainwash him with enough feminism to ensure that he does), they’d be fine. But it’s a girl who may not be able to provide for them if something happens to you, but also depending on the problems she has, may not be able to secure a man who CAN provide for all of them.

    You don’t view your daughter the same way because you’re a dude, you can handle your own survival/privision because you have your whole life. So you just love your daughter as a person. She wasn’t your “free meal ticket” to you the way she was supposed to be to your wife and her mother, so her having complications just brings out your instinctive protective/self-sacrificing side to help her, whereas your wife and her mother, as hard as it is to hear it, would probably rather she didn’t exist.

    Does that make them evil horrible monsters? Through the standard Disney filter, yes. But when you understand WHY they’re venting all their frustration on your daughter, and how it relates to their instinctive need for survival, and understand that their subconscious/reptile/whatever brain doesn’t understand that Obama will give them food stamps, they’re not necessarily shitty human beings they’re just acting rationally based on their real goals. They might ALSO be assholes but like, their behavior technically makes sense to their brain.

    I lean closer and closer to accepting that we’re all just running on survival/replication instincts and everything else in society is bullshit decoration and distraction to help us not notice that lol

    My view right now is that our subconscious brain is just taking in data about the world around us and our circumstances and making the optimal decisions for survival/replication based on that data, and our conscious brain’s job is to rationalize the actions we take and make them fit into society’s framework. All our subconscious brains are being fed shitty data by society and feminism etc. and are just making optimal decisions based on that bad data. Women are being fed data that they can land Chris Hemsworth at age 40 so they’re peacing out on marriage after an unhappy week because their sub-conscious brain literally believes “based on the data I’m being fed, all men are better than your husband (all the TV commercials we watch show me that) and we can get Chris Hemsworth (since he retweeted you that one time) and he’ll want us because Amy Schumer has to turn down 6-pack doctors all chasing her for a relationship in her movies…so to her subconscious brain, bailing on that marriage is the optimal strategy for her survival and/or replication even if in reality it’s a fucking terrible idea lol Whereas in the past society was programming her sub-brain to believe that without her man she’d be miserable and couldn’t survive and men/fathers were respected and there was no social media or non-stop barrages of bad-data feeding Sex & The City, Girls, Eat Pray Love, etc etc so the same brain being fed that data says the optimal strategy is stay in the marriage.

    Men’s sub-brains are being fed data that approaching girls is wrong and offensive and they need to respect women and they should be ashamed for being men and sit down shut up or there’ll be consequences etc etc so their sub-brain is like “ok based on this data the optimal strategy is to be an introverted quiet guy who doesn’t ruffle any feathers and doesn’t talk to girls or risk offending them”. Whereas a player’s sub-brain is being fed data that all girls are horny, they all want to fuck, the rules don’t apply to him, there are no conseqeunces etc etc so the same sub-brain looks at that data and says “from what I can tell the optimal strategy for replication and/or survival is that we should go talk to that girl”

    That’s why affirmations and field experience and shit are important when a guy is starting out on his PUA journey, because he needs to feed his sub-brain better data. When his sub-brain is fully running on good data like an experienced PUA’s or Natural’s is, then it doesn’t take much effort to go approach that girl because his sub-brain is telling him that’s the optimal plan and it’s all going to go well and he’s awesome and she’s going to want to fuck him (replication) lol

    All PUA is doing is feeding a guy’s sub-brain better data. And all we do when we interact with women is feed their sub-brain better data…ie – approaching, social proof, teasing, preselection, kino, AMOG’ing, group theory, qualifying, negs, peacocking, etc all of that stuff is just feeding her sub-brain data that “this man is a high value alpha male who would be your best Hypergamous option for survival and replication so the optimal strategy is to try to get him”. Her conscious brain is throwing a fit and saying the guy is a jerk and she would never fall for “that game stuff” etc etc but that’s just decoration and fluff, her sub-brain is attracted until it’s fed new data that he’s a bad option for her survival and/or replication. If she gets data that he’s bad for replication (shitty lay) she’ll fuck some other dude on the side. If she gets data that he’s bad for survival (shitty provider) he’ll be the dude on the side while she marries a provider.

    That’s why we say “change her MOOD, not her MIND”, because you can’t SELL yourself to a girl and give her a logical rational list of reasons she should be attracted to you, even if those reasons are 100% objectively TRUE and accurate. Just like you can’t logically convince her that Obama will give her food stamps and she doesn’t need to listen to her survival instincts anymore. It just doesn’t work that way, especially when she’s given cookies as a kid for throwing a tantrum in a restaraunt (rewarded for following her feels).

    This is all simple and logical when you let go of society’s “everyone is a special individual snowflake with total free will and a logical rational conscious brain that controls their behavior” and accept that we all basically run on instinct and that that shit can be reprogrammed or live in a fantasy land compared to actual objective reality around it.

    @Razorwire
    “Some recent experience with single women, particularly younger women, suggests to me that solipsism as a mechanism of self-preservation no longer operates in an environment where there is need for such.”

    This. LOGICALLY we all know there aren’t a bunch of HB10s at the homeless shelter. No matter how shitty a girl ends up she can find some loser to provide for her if she spreads her legs. They know that consciously, but their sub-conscious is fed data by feminism etc that they’re suffering and life is a battle and they’re all victims etc. so it’s just making decisions based on that data.

    @Rollo
    “Acknowledging solipsism in women is not a license or excuse for not having the self-awareness to control the negative outcomes of it.”

    This. Unfortunately, modern society is encouraging and rewarding them to NOT attempt to control it and to NOT have self-awareness etc. It’s a bad recipe and part of why I say monogamy in 2015 is completely broken. Do not enter monogamous LTRs, EVERYTHING in society is working against that relationship model being successful right now. It’s an insane uphill battle with incredibly high stakes.

    @redpillgirlnotes
    “Women’s worst fear is that stuff falls apart. Not that they are putting it together that they themselves are driving that.”

    I’d agree with this. The reason they shit-test even after the wedding is that they need to reassure themselves that their alpha is staying an alpha or everything is going to fall apart. They were banking on a winning horse and it’s suddenly got a broken leg. That’s terrifying. Unfortunately society is encouraging them to break the horse’s leg lol I say don’t run the race in the first place, or if you do, don’t let them be the ones to place bets or expect them to NOT break the horse’s leg. Is that controlling? Sure. Is that socially acceptable in 2015? No way. But that’s why I don’t DO a monoLTR in 2015. If I DID try to do one, I would be VERY controlling in it, because I know she would NEED me to be, to save her from her own feels-based actions.

    “It is because of good men like Rollo and Badpainter and others that I even begin to understand any of this and how destructive women have become”

    I had to smack down a former fuckbuddy the other day because she’s falling into the retarded “I’m not 100% happy so I’m breaking it off with a good dude” trap. Basically dropped a ton of real-talk on her and she’s going to try to get him back this weekend. If I didn’t tell her to, she would just follow her feels and fuck it up and end up regretting it, because no one and nothing in society is telling her any decision she makes is a bad one. She even KNOWS it’s a bad decision, one of her first texts says that she knows she’s being dumb, but she needs someone to tell her YES you ARE being dumb, now listen to me and do THIS. But no one will tell her that because everyone is scared to acknowledge that a girl might make a stupid decision, and everyone will tell her the opposite and say “you should leave that guy, eat pray love YOLO let’s go party and be single at 30+ at the bar that’ll be fun like sex & the city!!!”

    She’s a 24yo girl who’s been done with the party scene for a while and should be settling down and he’s a decent guy who’s apparently a good enough fuck and sounds like a good provider. She should be grateful she found a dude who’s a balance of the two. I told her she can break up and guys like me will happily fuck her, but we won’t commit to her and we won’t want to meet her family and we won’t want to curl up and watch gay reality TV with her etc. The guys she thinks are attractive enough to want to settle with when she’s 30 can get the 10 years younger version of her so they won’t commit, and the only guys who will commit to doing all that lame stuff for a 30+yo woman are the guys who don’t have options and that she won’t be attracted to BECAUSE they want to commit to a 30+yo. I laid all that out and then also hyped up her guy and told her how many girls want a guy like that and how he’s probably beating them off with a stick etc social proofing him. I don’t even know the dude lol

    I told her all of this partly just to see what would happen but I also do actually hope they work it out ’cause she’s in her prime and should be locking a man down right now to pop out babies so she doesn’t become another sad single cougar at the bar lol From my view I’m just steamrolling better data into her sub-brain to override all that bullshit YOLO feminist data, so that her brain is like “shit ok I don’t know what I was thinking before, this guy with a strong frame has made it clear that this guy is amazing and my life will be much better with him than being single, optimal strategy is to stay with him”

    Will they last? Who the fuck knows. But a man laying the smack down on her feels-brain is buying them another chance.

    @TheLastCoyote
    “In the past, maybe as recent as even 30 years ago, many guys with a SAHM wife did in fact enjoy those benefits in reality. ”

    Back then society was encouraging the woman to provide those things and before then men were given the power to TAKE a lot of those things or punish the woman for not providing them.

    Nowadays there’s no incentive/punishment system with it, so men get whatever a woman feels like providing in the moment regardless of whether it’s best for the family or not…and if her sub-brain is fed data where that guy in a suit at the office she works at will be like Don Draper, she may bail to chase him, no fucks given for how much damage it does because in that moment her brain is like “hey this is our optimal strategy!!”

    Disclaimer: All the stuff about subconscious brain and conscious brain is a mish-mash of years of shit I’ve seen and read and dicked around with in-field and part evo psych part freud ego shit bla bla bla I don’t even know where a lot of it comes from I’ve consumed so much info over the years. I’ve just found the easiest simplest way to boil it all down is a subconscious brain that’s basically a simple computer that takes in data and spits out the optimal strategy for survival and/or replication based on that data (whether that data is real/rational or not), and a conscious brain that rationalizes behavior (ie – a girl is going up to your apartment because her subconscious brain knows it’s optimal to fuck you, but her conscious brain needs to rationalize it as oh I just went up to watch a movie even if neither of you even reaches for the DVD when she gets inside) and is sometimes trying to go against what the subconscious brain deems is best (“feminism told me I should want this, so I have to want this even tho I kind of secretly want that, aghhhh I’m so conflicted!!”) but 90% of the time fails because for the subconscious brain to change its strategy it needs different data.

    I’m open to discussion on it, but from what I’ve seen it’s a pretty consistent idea and explains a lot of seemingly irrational behavior in men and women. It’s probably more complicated than what I’m boiling it down to, but I’m mainly just focused on what’s specifically relevant to pickup and relationships. I’m not trying to explain why someone leaves a bigger tip than someone else or crosses the street when the Don’t Walk sign is lit up lol

  77. @Sun Wukong
    “Honestly there’s more resources than ever to keep a SAHM happy, educated, and busy when the kids become a part time thing by starting school, and to help her head back in to the workforce once they’re completely independent. It’s really a great time to be in that position if you’re a woman.”

    I would be a fucking BEAST if all I had to do all day was vaccuum a carpet and cook some dinner and then sit online learning shit and someone else would not just pay all my bills but be trying to provide enough for me to live in luxury. That would be a fucking DREAM opportunity. I’d be running multiple businesses from home and shit lol I gotta find me a sugar mama.

  78. Honestly there’s more resources than ever to keep a SAHM happy, educated, and busy when the kids become a part time thing by starting school

    Yeah, I just have to be careful. I am not going to let her work. She has this sort of manic thing where she obsesses about being the perfect worker and nothing else matters. Then of course she’s an anxious mess. If she’s working for me, she’s happy as a clam. I just need to figure something out.

  79. Also because I realize it could sound contradictory:

    I said that I’m logically convincing an FB to not bail on her boyfriend when I also said you can’t logically convince a girl to think/feel certain shit (like giving her a laundry list of why she should be attracted to you).

    The nuance between the two is that I understand how attraction works and the triggers that get her Hypergamy going, so I’m making sure that the things I’m saying are creating emotional impact in her and triggering specific fears in her that I know her sub-brain worries about, and at the same time I’m bigging her guy up with specific attractive traits that I know her sub-brain is looking for, so I’m essentially “sarging” her FOR him and getting her hypergamy to trigger for him. They’re currently in a long-distance LTR (so dumb lol) and he’s not a PUA so he’s not able to constantly remind her that he’s her best option and her day to day is other people and feminism and mainstream media feeding her data that she can do better than him and that all the guys at her work are Don Drapers who will be alpha and also commit etc when they’re really just chodes in suits and she’ll find that out the hard way if she bails on her guy.

    Whereas on the other hand the guy trying to logically convince a girl “but you have Obama food stamps! You’ll be fine, let’s run the numbers!” or “but I make $X per year, so you should see me as a good catch!!” aren’t triggering the right shit with their approach at feeding her data.

  80. Cheerleaders fawning over the QB is a short-term attention seeing behavior. If the QB ends up in long-term disability, then she’s just too busy with cheer leading to visit the rehab facility.

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