Solipsism I

solipsism

“Women have always been the primary victims of war. Women lose their husbands, their fathers, their sons in combat. Women often have to flee from the only homes they have ever known. Women are often the refugees from conflict and sometimes, more frequently in today’s warfare, victims. Women are often left with the responsibility, alone, of raising the children.” – Hillary Clinton

I had planned on using Hillary’s now infamous quote for an upcoming post outlining the distinction between women’s innate solipsism and an acculturated narcissism, but fate delivered me a much more profound use for this quote last week (we’ll get to that in part II).

Before I dig in here I feel it’s kind of incumbent upon me to point out that I in no way align with, nor endorse Hillary’s political or ideological perspectives, and I think it should go without saying that I diametrically disagree with her feminine-primary social agendas.

That said, if you ever need a better quote to explain the realities of feminine solipsism I think I’d be at a loss to give you one. A lot of men, even Red Pill aware men, have a hard time understanding how solipsism fits concretely into the feminine psyche. The social conditioning and upbringing that predisposes us towards an egalitarian equalist mindset rebels against thinking women and men would have different psychological firmware. Equalism teaches us to expect that men and women’s needs share mutual origins and our impulses are so similar that any difference is insignificant.

That egalitarian frame predisposes us to consider that ‘not all women are like that‘ or to disassociate the idea that men and women could be anything but functionally equal agents. As a result we get convenient distractions to confuse our looking for comparatives to should anyone (or thing) challenge an equalist answer.

Simply put, we get rationales like “Oh well, men do it too”, or worse, or any opposite comparison that leads us away from considering the truth that men and women are psychologically, biologically and sociologically different; with different motives and different strategies which they employ to meet their different imperatives. And often these imperatives are at odds with the best interests of the other sex.

Separating Differences

The Cardinal Rule of Sexual Strategies:
For one gender’s sexual strategy to succeed the other gender must compromise or abandon their own.

It is the fundamental differences in either sex’s imperatives, acculturation and biology that creates this conflict. Of course, men and women have come together for each other’s mutual benefit (and love, and enjoyment) to create families and sustain our race for millennia, however, this mutually beneficial union does not originate from mutual imperatives or sexual strategies.

When I explain how women hold an opportunistic concept of love, while men hold an idealistic one, the resistance to accept that observable, behavioral, reality is rooted in a blank-slate belief that men and women are fundamentally the same. So, when we read a statement from a woman (to say nothing of a high status one) such as Hillary’s, we either scoff at the oblivious audacity of it because it is so counter to our (male) imperative’s interests, or we nod in ascension in the feminized belief that what best serves the female imperative necessarily is the best interest of the male imperative.

This is an illustration of the fundamental difference in the interpretation of experience between the sexes.

From a solipsistically oblivious female perspective what Hillary is expounding on here is entirely true. From a perspective that prioritizes feminine Hypergamy above all else, these three sentences make perfect, pragmatic sense. The idea that men losing their lives in warfare would make them victims at all (much less the primary victims) isn’t even an afterthought; all that matters is the long term security and continued provisioning of women and their imperatives.

Solipsism, not Narcissism

A lot of newly Red Pill aware men get confused at my using the term ‘solipsism‘ when I refer to this female-specific obliviousness to any concern – or lesser prioritized concern – of anything outside their immediate existential needs. The confusion comes from men who want for a similar justice to the one I outlined in Our Sister’s Keeper. Self-importance or narcissism would seem to be a more appropriate term for this dynamic, but I disagree.

Female solipsism in and of itself is not necessarily a net negative in the larger scope of human survival and evolution. On the surface that may seem a bit outrageous, but it’s only outrageous insofar as women’s solipsistic natures come into conflict with the biological and social imperatives of men. This solipsism is the necessary result of a feminine survival instinct that’s helped preserve women and their offspring in a violent, chaotic and uncertain evolution.

Recognizing the importance of feminine solipsism is not an endorsement of the anti-social, and often cruel, byproducts of it.

No doubt, men who’ve been on the sharp end of this will grind their teeth at the inevitable narcissism that becomes an extension of women’s solipsism. I’ll agree. Socially we’re living in an era of unprecedented (western) narcissism manifested in a vast majority of women.

At no other time in history have women become more accustomed to perceived entitlements of personal security, ubiquitous social control and relative assurances of optimizing Hypergamous imperatives. At no other time have women’s sexual strategies been of such primary importance to society. However, this narcissism is the result of an acculturation and learned social priorities that predispose women to expectations that border on arrogance. Over recent generations that narcissism has become learned and fostered in women to the point that narcissism is openly embraced as a feminine strength – women believe it’s their due after a long suffrage.

Women’s solipsistic nature however is an integral part of their evolved psychological firmware. Solipsism is the evolved, selected-for result of self-preservation necessities that ensured the survival of our species. As men we get frustrated by this intrinsic nature; a nature that puts women’s imperatives as their primary mental point of origin. As any newly aware Red Pill man will attest, coming to this realization is a very hard truth to accept. It’s cruel and contrary to what the First Set of Books have taught him he should expect and build his life around.

Furthermore, it’s cruel in the respect that this solipsism neither aligns with the romantic, Blue Pill hopes he’s been raised to accept, but also the egalitarian, equal and level playing field ideology he’s been conditioned to believe he should alter his priorities to accommodate for women; and in turn he can expect from women. As I stated earlier, coming to terms with men and women’s differing concepts of love is a tough disillusionment, but this difference in concept is simply one of many a man must come to terms with.

When I wrote Empathy I got taken to task about women’s capacity to feel empathy to a greater degree than do men. It’s not that women cannot feel empathically (a shared experience), my argument was that the idea that women feel a ‘greater’ empathy than men was a social convention with the latent purpose of masking women’s innate solipsism.

That wasn’t a very popular idea. The notion that women are the mothers and nurturers was predictably spelled out, but with regards to empathizing and caring for men the primary concern of women was worry over their own and their children’s well being before that of their men should they become incapacitated. Again, this is a cruel truth, but also a pragmatic and survival based one.

Mental Point of Origin

Women’s mental point of origin begins with their own self-importance, and the overriding importance of their own and their offspring’s survival. I’ve had women readers lambast me that they couldn’t possibly be so influenced by solipsism because they put their children’s wellbeing before their own. However it is just this solipsism that predisposes women to seeing their children as extensions of themselves and their own identities. And the good news is that this dynamic is one reason the human species has been so successful.

The following was a comment from Starve the Beast on the TRP subredd:

Women are bad at reasoning, but good at rationalization.

Let that sink in for a minute. One cannot rationalize without the faculty for reason. So are women really bad at reasoning? No, actually they’re great at it.

The difference is that women don’t place as much value on Truth as they do upon self-preservation, and therefore their reasoning processes do not abort when self-contradiction is reached. They’ll just rationalize their way out of that too, if exposed.

Ultimately, the so-called hamster reflects an underlying difference in value systems more than in reasoning ability.

Women can learn to sublimate their solipsism. In fact, cultures and progressive societies have been founded on sublimating female solipsism. Women can and do learn critical thinking quite regularly. Women can learn and function within a society that forces them to compromise their sexual strategies and mitigates the worst abuses that solipsism would visit on men (and themselves). Women can learn to be empathetic towards men as well as live within a social order that looks like mutual justice and fairness.

But the fact that these civil dynamics should need to be something a woman learns only reinforces the biological and evolved influences of female solipsism as women’s mental point of origin. The parallel to this is men’s learning to sublimate intrinsic parts of themselves – primarily their sexuality – to reinforce prosocial interaction in society. 

Women dislike the idea that their experience is colored by solipsism. It sounds bad, and it runs counter to what they believe are sacrifices on their own part to help others. That may be so, and I’m certainly not going to attempt to discount those investments, but they come from a learned compassion that must overcome an innate solipsism. That ‘me and my babies first’ mental point of origin isn’t necessarily a bad thing either – it’s only when that learned compassion and humility are superseded by it that anti-social behaviors and hubris arise.

I expect the predictable criticism will be that men are also self-important, and / or all humans are intrinsically selfish fucks. In part II I’ll elaborate more on this, but for now it’s important to grasp that female solipsistic nature is less about selfish individualism and more about pragmatic survival.

Many a male reader of my Hierarchies of Love series grated against the idea that a conventional model of love would progress from Men to women, women to children, children to puppies, etc. That model is a direct reflection of a uniquely female solipsism that seemingly discards men’s reciprocal emotional investment in women. However it is also the same dynamic that predisposes women to desire men who can decisively control their environment as well as dominate them sexually and emotionally.

In part II I’ll outline more examples of feminine solipsism, how it’s reflected on the individual and societal level and how a man might best use an understanding of it to his advantage.

Published by Rollo Tomassi

Author of The Rational Male and The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine

604 comments on “Solipsism I

  1. ““Happened to meeeee…”

    I’m not sure how to share a personal anecdote without refering to “me”. I suppose I could have used the royal “we” instead, like I have some mouse in my pocket.

  2. @NBTM: “It is possible that our species were far more cooperative than competitive during prehistoric times.”

    Circa 15% of prehistoric deaths were due to violent homicide. Those are just the homicides that leave an identifiable trace in ancient remains. Socrates was executed, but his remains wouldn’t bear a trace of it.

    Ostracization is a common penalty for major transgressors in “primitive” societies. In pre-civilization societies it is generally considered a death sentence as few survive it for long, but it leaves no evidence of being by human cause.

    And that’s just the degree of competitiveness that results in a fatality.

    Some forms of cooperation are themselves forms of competition, the most obvious of which is warfare.

  3. @yareally

    Why try to help a confirmed slut and cheater ensnare a good guy? Better to let her suffer her foolishness then send the guy proof of cheating with some solid red pill material. Lets help these guys, not feed the lies and ruin their lives. Who here would support marrying a cheating slut?

  4. @ Melbournite
    Maybe James might want people to just get in and see what he has to offer. I would be concerned if he goes not bragging about it all the time. It is a lie but does not discredit his points, because his points stand on their own merit.
    Marketing is one field where people indulge in despicable amount of lies, loud mouthing and controversies .
    For eg , Allegedly, Christian Bale attacked his mother and sister before release of dark knight.
    Why do all of celebrities have to be in such controversies just prior to release of their important films, can’t they wait for a few months post release?

    @Guinea pig : Liz
    “It wasn’t even “her” speech, there’s a 99.9 percent likelihood it was written by someone else, in the boiler room of her husband’s White House at the time, carefully scrubbed to tell a specific message they wanted to get across (for a specific reason).”

    Yeah right, she did not actually kill any one because it was some one else who loaded the bullet in the gun’s chamber.
    She is absolutely not responsible for her actions.
    Forget President, she is not even fit to be a 2cent politician if she cannot assume responsibility for her actions.
    And you my friend, with all due respect, a perfect guinea pig demonstrating what Rollo has to say in this post.

    @Guinea pig : Liz
    “I was a social pariah too, girls are horrible…worst at that age, it gets better with time.”
    Girls are horrible at any age, they just learn to be more nice for sake of their hypergamy. You are being solipsistic here. You are just assuming you faced all the scorn his daughter has to face.

    @Guinea pig : Liz
    “I wouldn’t even call that solipsism so much as psychopathy.”

    It is solipsism, you cannot really channelize psychopathy as you can with solipsism. The psychopath will always do what he/she wants. Most females will optimize their hypergamy depending on their options and circumstances and then use solipsism to justify it to themselves.
    Hence solipsism is not as bad as psychopathy.

    It is not for nothing, we say “Men of honor”.

    @Guinea pig : Liz
    “Happened to me, and all those mean girls have tried to look me up and get all chummy, and I ignore them.”

    And yes, regardless of what a woman does a man is supposed to forgive her. While you are perfectly fine with ignoring the adults for their meanness in their childhood.

    Boys are capable of beating each other up and buddying up five minutes later . Not you girls, you hold a grudge of lifetime.

    @Guinea pig : Liz
    “My life is very very good.”
    Even this will pass away.

  5. ““We’re” not sure your personal anecdote advances the narrative.”

    My sons do not have disabilities, but I’ve always appreciated words of encouragement and personal accounts I’ve received online, when I’ve brought up a problem (example attempts to force my kids into testing and medication for ADHD, problems with gender discrimination in the classroom and so forth). I’ve written personal letters to teenaged girls who were social outcasts, as I was, to offer encouragement and it has always been well received. If you are the same person posting as two individuals I see no need for the level of hostility here.

  6. “@jsr
    @yareally
    Why try to help a confirmed slut and cheater ensnare a good guy? Better to let her suffer her foolishness then send the guy proof of cheating with some solid red pill material. Lets help these guys, not feed the lies and ruin their lives. Who here would support marrying a cheating slut?”

    I would agree to this. This female is either your or some one else’s alpha widow.
    What is the chance that this man will out alpha you for her?
    You may not sympathize for the chump you are pushing her towards, at least think about the kids of Betas she will have in future. She will become a disaster of a mother, always fantasizing about “the one that got away”.

    It is better she suffers alone life long than have kids and make them miserable too.

  7. “My sons do not have disabilities, but I’ve always appreciated words of encouragement and personal accounts I’ve received online, when I’ve brought up a problem (example attempts to force my kids into testing and medication for ADHD, problems with gender discrimination in the classroom and so forth). I’ve written personal letters to teenaged girls who were social outcasts, as I was, to offer encouragement and it has always been well received. If you are the same person posting as two individuals I see no need for the level of hostility here.”

    You’re a case study of the post’s topic as you can’t help but turn an account of a man’s tragedy into a forum to discuss you and your personal victimhood. 7 “my” or “I” in eight lines above. Run along, men are talking.

  8. Choc,

    Yeah, actually 8 times in 8 lines, and oblivious to what she’s doing. But let’s let it drop or she might feel the need to offer her “affirmation” again. (I don’t need to hear any more of her soccer mom shit or Ready for Hillary schtick.)

  9. I took YaReally’s anecdote as perfectly performed boyfriend destroyer routine. It really was a two pointnarrative and he followed up on the second point well. He’s out for her best interests and his (YaReally’s) best interests as a fuckbuddy. He doesn’t know the boyfriend and is indifferent to him. And he gets to have his cake (pussy) and eat it too. I say well done.

    I really enjoyed James Marshall’s talk. It was totally congruent and he consolidating his talk with the message of celebrating feminine creatures as a resource. When feminine creatures are good they are really good.

    The talk can only be taken as a whole. It was good. I have no other knowledge of him. I like what he said in my point of mental origin and my frame.

    Good stuff at the 28.00 mark and at 37.50.

    As a self-actualized masculine male “there is nothing more beautiful than being with a woman who has chosen to be with you. Who submits to you because she wants to, not because she has to. Nothing is more amazing than what a woman can be whan she is taken out of the box and not controlled. There can be so much more to her than if she is merely a domestic slave. It is fine if she wants to mother to her children, but only if that is her choice. “

  10. The Illimitable Man just posted an incredibly cogent essay yesterday on Solipsism in women that complements Rollo’s essay.

    Rollo posits well the biological and evolutionary forces generating solipsism in women, but the Illimitable Man comes at it from a psychological construct per se.

    I find both essays practical implications for game a linchpin in any relationship with a woman.

  11. @Melbournite
    I haven’t looked at any of that but none of it would surprise me. His advice and vibe/game in the vids I linked is solid and worth listening to and learning from though. I go by the Bruce Lee method: “Absorb what is useful, discard what is not.” I don’t think anyone should aspire to follow a PUA instructor’s full lifestyle in general lol A lot of them end up pretty fucked up (because their entire livelihood is based on being a PUA and that doesn’t hold up so well past 35-40, hi Roosh!) or have lifestyles that are much more difficult to obtain for the average Joe who’s NOT creating a PUA following that hands them money and I don’t think they can relate to the average Joe when they pass a certain point (like RSDTyler travels the world and eats super healthy but an average Joe probably can’t afford to be buying a suitcase worth of vitamins and sarge 7 nights a week and go climb mountains in Hawaii and shit)…Like I can’t get behind RSDBrad’s Lifestyle Academy, the guy’s lifestyle only exists because he has a following from being a PUA instructor and he’s vacationing in cheap places like Thailand to look like he has more income than he probably does, he’s not some successful business guru he’s just regurgitating stuff that successful business gurus have said but under his brand lol It doesn’t mean the advice he’s giving out isn’t useful, a homeless man on the street can quote Tony Robbins and that quote is still useful to hear, but I wouldn’t sign up and pay for his guidance or want to emulate his life and try to be him.

    That’s why I liked the old early community days when it was all just screen names and text and bootcamps cost “a couch to crash on for the night” and the marketing wasn’t so hardcore…now there’s a lot more “hero worship” and a lot of instructors will capitalize on that and, unfortunately, a lot of newbies WANT to find a hero to worship.

    Not much can be done about it at this point though, the companies are going to do venture into lifestyle stuff because it’s their income and they can’t get a normal job once they’ve put themselves out as PUA instructors for X years, and newbie enthusiasm is pretty much impossible to control…even Mystery was warning guys “DON’T just copy me, use the structure of these routines to make them your own, I don’t want a bunch of little Mystery’s running around in fuzzy hats” but it’s human nature to emulate people we view as more successful than us.

    But a warning here and there to be skeptical is good. That’s why I stress going out and why testing shit in-field is so important. If you aren’t going out and applying this stuff and seeing what holds up in-field consistently over time, it’s easy to be misled. I know the stuff James talks about with multiple relationships and his partner Liam talks about with eye-contact/speaking works because I’ve been applying it. But I wouldn’t look for more out of them than directly testable concepts.

    I miss the old days but at the same time I’m grateful that despite the shittier marketing practices and guru worship we’re able to see in-field video footage and hours-long speeches/seminars etc at the click of a button. I remember downloading potato-quality choppy blocky watery-audio videos of guys in-field trying to catch some GLIMPSE of what this stuff is supposed to look like in real life lol Now it’s like here full HD video with nightvision and stabilizing of guys executing this stuff. Fuckin amazing. No one should be paying anything to learn PUA these days, there’s more than enough free (or “no one cares if you pirate this PDF”) content out there.

    @just getting it
    “That is why I’m bitter – if I knew the fairytale was just lies to start off with I wouldn’t have had the hard wake up call at a time when I was injured, no less.”

    I feel ya dude. A buddy of mine is going through this right now and it’s completely rocked his world. I’m helping him get through it so he doesn’t end up hating women but like, it’s a HUGE mindfuck to experience this shit. He was a PUA too, but a lot of PUAs still have the Disney fantasy of settling down with a woman. Even a lot of Red Pill and/or Manosphere guys have that fingertip grasp on the fantasy because letting go of it is like “well what’s the POINT then???? It’s like I might as well not even settle down!! How do I have kids if I don’t settle down???” and all of those questions are uncomfortable and scary to even think about let alone try to answer so we try to avoid them.

    I view women as just a large child to raise and I’m not at a place where I want to take that burden on, let alone have that large child pop out a small even MORE helpless child, and legally bind myself into a contract that says I’ll make sure neither of those children has a bad week in 40+ years lol

    I think there are ways to make it work but I think more guys need to test out running mLTRs/pLTRs (check my archive for pLTR) etc. and trying to figure out what principles consistently work and may allow a man to have the highest odds at running a stable 2 parent household where his girl is attracted to him and he gets to have variety. Most guys are scared to even let girls know they’re fucking other girls so it’ll be a while before we have enough anecdotal data to figure out a consistent plan of action. I’m hoping it’s within my lifetime though, as much as I enjoy being single and a PUA I know that ultimately my purpose is to pass on my genes before I die, but our current environment makes that a very risky gamble.

    @jsr
    “Why try to help a confirmed slut and cheater ensnare a good guy? Better to let her suffer her foolishness then send the guy proof of cheating with some solid red pill material. Lets help these guys, not feed the lies and ruin their lives. Who here would support marrying a cheating slut?”

    lol she hasn’t cheated yet, just come close to it and needed some real-talk to scare her off of it. In 2015 that’s about as good as you’re going to get lol There’s no such thing as a girl who never in 40+ years with a dude considers cheating or finds another man attractive, that’s a unicorn. So far she hasn’t cheated on him and just fell into the standard taking him for granted mindset that monogamy produces and I helped snuff it out before she ran wild with it.

    If I told her to come over and fucked her, I’d be actively helping her cheat on him when I know they’ll both ultimately be better off if she doesn’t cheat on him. And her guy isn’t some red pill guy who’s going to go out and bang 50 new women if they break up slaying virgin unicorns left and right, he’s going to be alone and miserable and probably get back with some damaged ex or may end up ensared by a legitimately BPD/psycho/shitty girl who would be MUCH worse for him (with no idea how to spot or handle those girls) than this girl who’s generally a sweetie. Like of the girls I’ve met she’s one of my favorites in terms of being a generally good person and he’s just an average Joe so I don’t think he can do much better than her, but I know he can do MUCH worse than her, so for HIM she’s probably an optimal catch because she’s got some alpha widow but he’s not going to find or be able to get a girl who DOESN’T.

    @Shiva
    “I would agree to this. This female is either your or some one else’s alpha widow. What is the chance that this man will out alpha you for her?”

    lol of course. But nothing can be done about that. If you’re looking for a girl who can be with a normal average guy with mediocre average guy game, and DOESN’T at any point fantasize about another guy in 2015, you’re a dreamer. Ideally she should just be a virgin who’s never spoken to or interacted with another man who’s higher value than him and he should be a guy who’s a super high-value red pill educated badass slaying life.

    But the reality is most people are neither of those things. Girls have fucked other guys or at least dream about their first crush they had back in high school, and guys have no game and just work at like an office supply shipping company lol If they can make shit work, good on them.

    “You may not sympathize for the chump you are pushing her towards, at least think about the kids of Betas she will have in future. She will become a disaster of a mother, always fantasizing about “the one that got away”. It is better she suffers alone life long than have kids and make them miserable too.”

    I disagree, simply because if we go down that path then really no one should be having kids with anyone ever and 1) that’s probably not good for society lol, 2) we don’t not go outside just because we might get hit by a car and we don’t not adopt a dog as a pet just because we can bite us we just work on being careful/educated to try to avoid those bad things that can happen, and 3) people are going to TRY to do it anyway.

    A good analogy is how a lot of my close buddies WILL be getting married. I can give them all the stats in the world, I can break down all the psychology, I can beg plead demand debate etc that they don’t get married or at least get a pre-nup etc but they’ll brush it all aside and do it anyway. All I can do is hope that I can give them enough information to help them not get bitten by the bulldog they’re tying themselves to. And it may work out, they may never get bitten if they happen to play things right, but they’re going to adopt that dog no matter what I say or do.

    Hell, even if I fucked this girl they’d STILL try to get back together because that’s what normal people do lol social conditioning will convince him to forgive her and her hamster rationalization will kick in to justify it etc etc so they can get back together again.

    I’d love a world where that guy discovered all of this writing and read Rollo’s articles on Alpha Widows and shit and could go out and sarge a bunch of girls and learn all this stuff to his core and make an informed decision about everything and maybe even be a bachelor for life, but realistically that’s not going to happen. Best I can do is do try to convince the bulldog not to bite him and hope that, if they have kids, she passes that mindset down to her daughters.

    @SJF
    “I took YaReally’s anecdote as perfectly performed boyfriend destroyer routine.”

    It actually doubles as that. If she does break up, I get to bang her again. If she doesn’t break up, I get to be happy for her being happy in an LTR with a guy that sounds like a decent dude. Win/win for me. There’s actually no way for me to un-alpha-widow myself in her eyes because if she bangs me then she gets another dose of me, and if I turn her down then not being able to have me just keeps those feelings there. I would have to like, bang her, but really horribly or do a bunch of beta shit to make myself super unattractive to her or something to get her to no longer be my alpha widow lol

    “It really was a two pointnarrative and he followed up on the second point well. He’s out for her best interests and his (YaReally’s) best interests as a fuckbuddy. He doesn’t know the boyfriend and is indifferent to him. And he gets to have his cake (pussy) and eat it too. I say well done.”

    Ideally I hope they work it out. I don’t like to see girls past 30 still at the bar chasing dick, it’s sad to me. I’d like if we returned to a time where women settled down around 23 with a decent guy and popped out babies etc But current social conditions make that difficult at best. I feel like I’m earning some decent karma by attempting to help it happen where I can lol

    I view a lot of the “she’s a cheating slut” and “he’s a fuckin pussy” stuff as those people just having bad data in their sub-brains. The girl has a lot of programming from society etc telling her to go slut it up and don’t have babies etc and the guy has a lot of programming from society telling him to worship her and make her the center of his world and don’t talk to other girls etc.

    Really most of pickup is just learning to feed a girl’s sub-brain data that says “I’m the highest value man in the room” to trigger her hypergamy in that moment, so that her sub-brain takes over and does all the work of chasing you. If you feed her data that you’re low-value, her sub-brain will say don’t chase this guy.

    But I think if people’s sub-brains can be fed better data, they’ll do better things. I was a complete hard-case chode when I started out, I was fully bought into feminism and blue pill thinking and everything till I finally got desperate enough to look for answers and try new shit outside the box. I can’t even relate to how I used to be now, it’s like another person…but it’s not that my DNA has changed or anything, it’s just that through finding the community I NOW feed my sub-brain more useful information like “I’m awesome and high-value” and “girls are all horny and want to get fucked by me and want me to approach them” (and my reference experiences I’ve gathered back that information up so it’s a self-perpetuating cycle) instead of “I’m not as good as other guys” and “girls are delicate special flowers who I should ask to let me take them on a date and hopefully they kiss me on the cheek if I’m lucky”.

    So I think a lot of problems with men and women would be taken care of by better programming. We have the red pill for men who discover it, but there’s not much out there for women right now that’s telling them to appreciate their man if he’s decent etc and most of society is telling her the OPPOSITE. My real-talk convo with my former FB is an attempt to reprogram her so she has better data. In the moment we had the conversation, she wanted to get him back and saw him as high-value, but like I say between that convo and now she’s had a week of society telling her otherwise, and after this weekend she’ll have months and years of more of the same, so who knows what’ll happen.

    I’m rooting for them though, I have other girls I can bang so I don’t need her lol

    1. @YaReally

      I enjoy reading your comments and I’ve read a bunch of your archived comments on your website; they’re very informative and well thought out and I’ve gained a lot of insight from your perspectives.

      However, I’m just catching up on this comment thread now since I’ve been very busy this past week, post-Labor Day. I’m finding the way you’re rationalizing your interaction with / advice to your ‘former FB’ to be quite interesting. It’s worthy of a “Golden Hamster Wheel,” although I don’t want to insult you by comparing your rationalization mechanism to the female mind hamster. Can’t think of a better rodent that runs sprints on a wheel while going nowhere, though…

      You say you’re interested in seeing this 23 yr old girl whom you’ve banged no-strings-attached ‘settle down and have babies’, or something to that effect. She’s complaining about this beta chode guy to you, who’s chodeness is amplified even more by his attempting to engage in a long distance relationship with this chick; as we know from Rollo’s writing, a long distance relationship is a buffer, not a real relationship. Now, I’m not there IRL, I don’t know you, her, or the chode personally, but it just seems to me that this is a big game on both your parts (you and the chick). Yes, I know it’s all about Game, but why not just admit it here to yourself (and us), rather than engage in this rationalization exercise whereby you try to convince everyone here – including yourself – that you’re looking out for her ‘best interests’ and would like to see her together with this guy?

      I think it’s quite obvious that this girl still wants to bang you, otherwise she wouldn’t be talking to you or playing the ‘give me advice’ game. But she’s trying in her little girl way to force your hand into getting more deeply involved with her commitment-wise by setting up this chode as a strawman proxy vis-a-vis you. I can see that you’re playing it off flawlessly – kudos to you. But she still wants to bang YOU. She wants YOU. You’re her ‘alpha’, and she’ll be your alpha widow, into eternity – unless she meets a dude who can flip more switches on both sides of the AF/BB Spectrum (obviously, she’s peeking into the BB side of the equation now if she’s involved with some beta chode after riding the carousel for a few years – but the fact that she’d get into a farcical long distance thing is telling of the fact that she’s not totally willing to entertain the affections of a BB guy….)

      So why not just say you’re playing pure Boyfriend Destroyer Game, rather than couch it in some altruistically-motivated rhetoric that those of us with eyes to see is pure BS? You want to keep this chick in your harem, even if only for future use, which I guess is a natural alpha male instinct on a deep level.

      I know you admitted that BD Game is part of this play earlier in the thread in response to another commenter who brought it up, but I just question why you feel the need to conjure up some altruistic motive of ‘looking out for her’ to pair it with. Just be honest about it with us here – you’re a great teacher and explainer of this stuff to those of us not as versed in it, but your duplicity in this situation is quite evident – at least to me. You know as well as any of us that long distance relationships are a farce and just the fact that she’s coming to you for ‘advice’ is a ruse and a game to keep in your orbit because she still wants your dick but wants to try to tie it down so she can (in her little mind) get the best of both worlds AF/BB.

      Just my two cents on this specific topic. Thanks for all you’ve written and please continue.

  12. “You’re a case study of the post’s topic as you can’t help but turn an account of a man’s tragedy into a forum to discuss you and your personal victimhood. 7 “my” or “I” in eight lines above. Run along, men are talking.”

    What on earth are you talking about? It is a personal tragedy and that was an offer of encouragement with a personal anecdote. He’s right. She will end up on top. There are a thousand personal anecdotes in this forum.

  13. YaReally,
    Thanks for another installment! Your comments, with Rollo’s posts, as well as a couple other dudes here (glenn), are the most helpful information regarding women I’ve ever received.

    OT I need some advice re: text game. At first I kept to the 3:2 rule of incoming vs. outgoing w/this twenty-something I’m getting with. However, because she plays it so well ….long delays w/no answer, “accidently” sending me someone else’s text, etc. I decided to behave so as to have her believe she’s hooked me and text more frequently as in 1:1, which predictably closed her down. Mistake? I’m just going to go dark and if I run into her at her work, ask if she’s lost/broke her phone, etc. and see if I can start all over. Anything else you advise me to do (other than “act my age”)?

  14. @longgone
    Happy to have helped.

    1) don’t shit where you eat lol

    2) don’t ask if she’s lost/broke her phone, that shows that you care too much about her texting you and even NOTICED she didn’t text you. The mentality you want is that you have 12 playboy models at home trying to all suck your dick and it’s a RELIEF that she isn’t texting you so you can fuck all these other girls so you don’t even notice she isn’t texting.

    3) have you fucked her yet? If you haven’t, quit being her text buddy…get her out somewhere and fuck her (if you want to shit where you eat and risk workplace drama and potential career consequences). If you have fucked her, still quit being her text buddy and get other girls to fill the time when she isn’t texting you. If you already have a bunch of other girls on the go, then it’ll be easy to just go dark till she chases you.

    4) going dark means going dark not asking if she lost/broke her phone. If you see her at work just nod a hello if you have to but bail or better yet blow past her like you don’t know her. Freezing her out generally works but it runs the risk of drama like workplace gossip and shit, which is why you shouldn’t shit where you eat lol

    5) don’t shit where you eat

  15. YaReally,

    Thanks I needed that.
    RE:
    1-I don’t exactly eat there but I shop there lol.

    2-Good I hadn’t realized that and thought the lost/broke thing was funny….which it’s not.

    3-No and I’m trying to figure out whether she’s wanting a sugar-daddy, is a pro, or is just BPD. Approached her Monday and took her out for a date that evening. She’s very affectionate on our first date and I don’t really care which of the three possibilities exist or all three….it’s just a fuck.

    4- It’s her work…the grocery store not mine, so no worries about my career, or hers. (I had a comment discussion earlier on this or the earlier post about how my paying attention here paid off in a simple grocery store game on this chick….nothing in your league but a revelation to me about how it works out when you have a plan!)

    5-Thanks again point taken. I won’t shit (much) where I (shop to) eat!

  16. @longgone
    “Approached her Monday and took her out for a date that evening. She’s very affectionate on our first date”

    No sex that night? Why not? You didn’t want to? You tried and she didn’t allow it? She wanted to but held herself back? She didn’t want to? You two did a bunch of heavy making out but for whatever reason didn’t go all the way and now she has Buyer’s Remorse about acting slutty and is embarrased to text you? Lots of info to take from how the date went.

    My first guess based on the bits of info you’ve said are that you’re an orbiter/potential sugar-daddy for her now if you didn’t fuck her, so she’s playing text games. Assuming that’s the case:

    For now be a ghost with txts till she’s texting you missing you which is a hail mary (she may never miss you because her last impression of your texting is that you aren’t very high-value to her), so if you want to instigate it happening try going shopping and DHV in front of her but brush her off like she’s an ugly 4 with a crush on you (so you’re polite but not making any attempts to pursue her anymore, so you don’t ask about why she hasn’t texted and you don’t say “we should hang out Friday” no matter how well it’s going, leave her puzzled that you aren’t trying to escalate it with her). This polite brush off won’t mean anything without some DHV’ing, it’ll just make you look butt-hurt/orbiter because of how she perceives your value right now. But if you can DHV in front of her, like make a cute girl in line laugh or another cute cashier laugh and/or be sociable with the dude in the line in-front/behind you (a girl is better than a dude) etc, the polite brush off will sting more (because now she’s missing out on a high-value man) and she may chase again.

    Or she dropped her phone in the toilet. lol

  17. YaReally,

    Very weird first date, in that I waited at the bar/restaurant for about twenty minutes after were to meet, was figuring she flaked, when she shows up, dressed quite hot, (barely-there shorts, tight top…) with some older woman who had walked over with her. She apologizes for the other woman being there, admitting that she was worried about meeting some (much) older guy, didn’t have to walk back (bad neighborhood) alone, etc. all very plausible. Anyway I end up feeding, entertaining them both and closing up the place. Most of the kino/ making out, etc. was when most, if not all the other people had gone or outside smoking a cigarette, or in the middle of the street when I drove her home. She’s at least a 7 by the way, maybe 8 in the right light…lol. So at closing time I’m stuck with them with few options other than driving them home (they’re neighbors) as I’ve got to get up for work at 5. Her texts next day were all “can’t wait ’til next time”, etc.

    I had a fishing charter scheduled for yesterday, and with the wind looking iffy, our plan was to spend the day (fucking?) together should it get cancelled. I went ahead with the trip, w/no text to her one way or another beforehand and had my phone on airplane all day on the ocean, so I hope she sat around on her day off wondering wtf. (She’s too disciplined to text me about it of course lol.)

    Btw she’s not a cashier so interaction in the store isn’t that rushed, especially when she’s almost ready to leave at quitting time. (about 20 minutes from now)

    Thanks for the insight. I’m leaning towards trying the brush-off when I head up there in a few. The other alternative is to offer her a ride home, (has no car, is needy/poor) and if she accepts tell her to get ready to go to dinner, and the drive-in in an hour. I’ll let you know which, however embarassing. I actually would prefer the second option just for the experience of seeing it work…or not. The initial date caught me completely by surprise when she accepted , so now I think anything is possible.

  18. Unsolicited advice: Whoa. Just a chick. Sun won’t rise in the west tomorrow, so anything isn’t possible.

    …just sayin’

  19. @kfg

    “Circa 15% of prehistoric deaths were due to violent homicide. Those are just the homicides that leave an identifiable trace in ancient remains. Socrates was executed, but his remains wouldn’t bear a trace of it.”

    The one thing I do not like about blog is the fact that absolutist generalizations and dogmatic claims cannot be moderated. It is an open forum and I have expounded my share of it as anyone has. But this is what we get with an open forum. All healthy gardens grow some weeds.

    There is absolutely now way we can collect enough verifiable evidence to claim a murder rate during prehistoric times. Clicking on the first or second link that comes up on google and plagiarizing its claim of 15% proves nothing except intellectual laziness and irresponsibility. Recorded history began about 7000 to 10,000 years ago depending on methods considered and who you reference. Even that 3000 year range is up to interpretation and debate. One fact we know is that Socrates lived 2415 years ago. He was certainly not prehistoric. I have no idea why you would use his death as a fact to support your dogmatic absolutist claims to the truth concerning prehistoric competition other than you may not be intelligent.

    Even the historical record is so convoluted, up to interpretation, clouded with superstitious influence, political influence, misinterpretations and misquotes we cannot be certain of some of it. The farther back we go, the murkier it gets. A discussion of prehistory is at far greater risk of inaccuracies.

    The facts we do know about more aboriginal cultures that still exist is that they are far more peaceful and their members are much more cooperative and sharing than our modern western “dog eat dog”, feminist Nazi, moanosphereic, Machiavellian culture.

  20. @ NBTM,

    C’mon now. We are now at the pinnacle of human existence. It’s undeniable. 126,482 years ago men used yellow quartz to sharpen ash branches into spears. Men who couldn’t find yellow quartz leapt from the highest available point to their deaths, Millions died ( millions I say ..).

    Today, we have more yellow quartz than at any time in recorded history.

    Okay, I jest, but I agree with _ ” The facts we do know about more aboriginal cultures that still exist is that they are far more peaceful and their members are much more cooperative and sharing than our modern western “dog eat dog”, feminist Nazi, moanosphereic, Machiavellian culture.”.

    With the advent of World Wars, nuclear weapons, Mass murder and genocide it’s kind of hard to believe that we are much more ” civilized ” than those in the past. I guess it depends on the definition of ” civilized ‘. Must not have anything to do with ” civil “.

  21. Blaximus,
    You’ve got me there, and fortunately nobody home at the store tonight, so no chance for me to be a total (but spontaneous!) asshole. Thanks I appreciate it unsolicted or not….

    YaReally,
    Totally dark for now, but it was fun while it lasted. Thanks yet again for the advice.

  22. @Longgone,

    I stuck my beak in the convo. Sometimes, I can’t help myself.

    I just tend to pipe up when I hear a fellow man ascribing too many positives on a female he’s trying to date. She’s just a chick in the end. Play with her as a learning tool, but be sure to fuck her when the time is correct and make absolutely no promises at all.

    Pursue many. As many as is feasible. Bed them all ( if you wish ) or as many as is feasible. Stay in your frame at all times, with everybody.

  23. “What on earth are you talking about? It is a personal tragedy and that was an offer of encouragement with a personal anecdote.”

    Liz, Liz, Liz, thou shall not wreck the manospherian narrative and mess with the menzs heads. Your role is not empathy or reason, your role is solipsism and hypergamy. To attempt anything else is to screw with the world view they are trying so desperately to cultivate. Any expressions of empathy or compassion will be met with nothing but hostility because most of these wounded fools are trying to harden their hearts and destroy their protective natures, AKA white knighting.

    If you want to cheer them up immensely, call them names and give them a reason to hate you.

  24. Today, we have more yellow quartz than at any time in recorded history.

    I think this would make a great Cafe Press shirt motto.

  25. Blaximus,

    “Play with her as a learning tool, but be sure to fuck her when the time is correct and make absolutely no promises at all.”

    This is exactly how I regard her, and is exactly my plan. I’m under no illusions about her “positives”, except I know she’s still got a snapper. It is surprising though how the encounter has given me the confidence to scheme about making sure a couple other potential/partial plates are still spinning….however slow-motion.

    Thanks brother. It’s a pleasure speaking with you.

  26. ” . . . absolutist generalizations . . . .”

    An oxymoron. I included a weasel word and mentioned that there are forms of homicide that do not leave evidence, and so are in the mist.

    “There is absolutely now way we can collect enough verifiable evidence to claim a murder rate during prehistoric times. ”

    I said nothing of murder. Ball games have been known to involve homicide, but they were not murder. I’ve actually played ball in the Monte Alban ball court while examining a dig there. Interesting experience.

    ” . . . the first or second link that comes up on google . . . ”

    I have read a number of papers and used the most obviously reasonable, discarding the extremes such as a claimed 60%. The 15% figure does match one on the first page of a Google search.

    ” Socrates lived 2415 years ago. He was certainly not prehistoric. I have no idea why you would use his death . . .”

    Because it is historical, thus better understood as an example.

    ” . . . your dogmatic absolutist claims . . .”

    What evidence can you present that I am not open to evidence?

    “Even the historical record is so convoluted, up to interpretation, clouded with superstitious influence . . .”

    I once despaired of being able to really grasp European history, it is so convoluted, so I decided to learn the history of just one city. I gave up in despair it was so convoluted.

    “A discussion of prehistory is at far greater risk of inaccuracies.”

    That is why I like to stick to the actual empirical evidence and tend to refrain from the common practice of making up stories about what they “mean.”

    For instance, on the Sphinx issue, if I were a betting man I’d my money on the geologists before the Egyptologists, but with the current state of the issue I wouldn’t be very confident of the bet.

    “The facts we do know about more aboriginal cultures that still exist . . .”

    This, as the kids these days like to say, is “problematic.” In many regards wild chimpanzee tribes are more illustrative, even though we are in our social interactions something between chimps and bonobos.

    @Blaximus: “I guess it depends on the definition of ” civilized ‘.”

    I put “primitive” between scare quotes for a reason. While the word “civil” obviously derives from the same root as “civilization,” civilization does not mean “nice.” As my own working definition I roughly define it as “living in settled cities, with a social hierarchical structure that includes division of labour.”

    Traditionally it has been held that a written literature was also a necessary feature of civilization, but I have never been comfortable with the idea of throwing obviously high cultures such as the Kelts out of the civilization bus.

  27. @longgone

    “Anyway I end up feeding, entertaining them both and closing up the place”

    If I’ve read this correctly, you ended up paying for the meals, and perhaps the drinks, for both the chick and her older woman friend?

    Switching subjects, on married life, I figured out dread and some of other stuff on my own, but before this site I couldn’t figure out why she wouldn’t make me soup (or anything) when I was sick.

    @IB “If you want to cheer them up immensely” leave

  28. @ kfg,

    The sphinx has been re-aged during my lifetime, from 4,500 years old, to 10,000 years old….by archaeologists and a few geologists. Empirical evidence, it seems, is subject to change.

    Same as it ever was.

    ” Traditionally it has been held that a written literature was also a necessary feature of civilization, but I have never been comfortable with the idea of throwing obviously high cultures such as the Kelts out of the civilization bus.”

    The ” traditional ” part makes me uncomfortable. Who’s tradition? So, can it be said that a lack of spoons denotes a lack of civilization?

    We have different opinions. Vastly different. But I like history, and anyone who attempts to study it. It’s a bear, but the truth is usually embedded between the extremes.

  29. “The ” traditional ” part makes me uncomfortable. Who’s tradition? ”

    The tradition of those who coined and defined the word to raise the history of their own civilization on a pedestal, of course.

  30. @longgone

    lol shit okay you’re in sugar-daddy territory. You’re chasing her and showering her with your money and entertainment while she does nothing but make things difficult (bringing a chaperone who doesn’t fuck off which means she had zero intention of fucking you that night which means she was planning to slow-track you from the start which is sugar daddy territory, now playing text games etc). Shit should be reversed, she should be chasing you. She’s not ’cause she doesn’t perceive you as high enough value to chase. She knows you’ll put up with her chaperone cockblocking and not putting out and will keep coming back for more.

    “Thanks for the insight. I’m leaning towards trying the brush-off when I head up there in a few.”

    Remember the DHV is the important part. You have to DHV in front of her because you aren’t high-value right now so giving her the brush-off without DHV’ing more will just make you look butthurt that she didn’t put out or txt you which is super low-value behavior. If you have any decent looking women you can roll into the store with that would help, or get a hot cashier or customer laughing where she’s going to overhear it or notice it somehow. That boosts your value so that a brush-off stings. Without the value boost it’s just a brush-off from a homeless man, nobody minds that lol

    You can DHV in other ways (see Mystery Method) but social proof/preselection is the easiest one. Just be social with everyone when you’re in her venue.

    “The other alternative is to offer her a ride home, (has no car, is needy/poor) and if she accepts tell her to get ready to go to dinner, and the drive-in in an hour.”

    That’s not an alternative at all lol That’s just rewarding her shitty behavior which will encourage more of it, and showing her that even if she doesn’t put out and doesn’t text you back you’ll keep chasing her and reward her with a ride home so she can FULLY slot you in as a sugar-daddy that she gets free dinners from.

    You can try this for the learning experience but odds are she’ll accept the free dinner (because who wouldn’t) then make up an excuse to not be able to go to the drive-in or back to your place (early day tomorrow etc).

    “I’ll let you know which, however embarassing.”

    Like I say try the second way if you want, pickup is like poker. A shitty hand CAN win, it’s just not as consistently going to win as playing good hands. If it doesn’t work, write about what happened (don’t use personal info and give away who you are or she is or where she works or anything, none of that is necessary to diagnose a field report anyway) and there’s probably clues in it that explain why whatever happened happened.

    “I actually would prefer the second option just for the experience of seeing it work…or not.”

    No, you’d prefer the second option because the second option involves moving toward sticking your dick in her and my option involves moving away from sticking your dick in her. Your sub-brain sees a chance for replication and is demanding you don’t do things that seemingly push that chance away and your conscious brain is rationalizing it as “oh it’s just for the experience” lol We all do it. A lot of guys have problem with freezeouts and push/pull because it’s like telling someone “if you don’t try to eat this cookie now, you’ll get 2 cookies later” What the guy who will inevitably try to eat the cookie now doesn’t realize is that when he tries to eat that cookie it’s likely to run away and he gets to eat nothing. 🙂

    “The initial date caught me completely by surprise when she accepted , so now I think anything is possible.”

    She may have been attracted initially, it doesn’t sound like you’re some weirdo or anything, but as an older dude you have to fight the sugar-daddy perspective a younger girl will have and you kind of did the opposite by paying for them and talking about sailing and driving them around and stuff.

    Thing is you can spend money on a girl, but it has to come from a frame where she’s bringing pussy to the table (not making you have to beg and chase for it). ie – you are the one texting her and trying to hang out, AND the one giving her value (buying her shit, rides home, etc)…what’s SHE doing? She’s not even bringing pussy to the table, she’s making it difficult for you to get and making you chase. She’s not even bringing TEXTING to the table lately. This is a very one-sided deal and not in your favor.

    I might buy a fuckbuddy breakfast or a drink or do something nice for her, but it’s because we’re already fucking and I KNOW she’s going to give me pussy and she’s the one texting me to hang out and is bringing good positive energy and pussy to the table…so I’m getting a fair exchange, she’s EARNED that from me enough that I keep my value when I do it (and even then I do it very rarely).

    If I was with a fuckbuddy and she made excuses to not have sex, or I had to hound her to get her to come out, or she stopped txting me back and was giving me slow one-word responses and shit, all effort on my end stops ’cause she’s stopped earning it. So she gets a freezeout and ideally I find a way to DHV until she chases again (sometimes simply freezing her out can BE a DHV, like she assumes you have other things to do and other girls to see, sometimes it takes a more pro-active approach like flirting with her friends when I see them all out etc)

    Make sense? You are coming from a backwards frame entirely right now where you’re providing all the value and not getting any back (and in fact are getting DIFFICULTY back). So freezeout + DHV + brush-off tells her “shit he’s high-value, and he doesn’t seem to be interested in me anymore…that was fine when he was low-value but if he’s high-value I want that attention back!” and often will start to chase you again.

  31. @fleezer:

    “That’s what’s weird about women. Many men are disgusted at the thought of sloppy seconds where women will literally suck some other woman’s juices off their man’s cock without a moment’s hesitation.

    I love women.”

    Hahaha! Me too brother….me too!
    My boy just came over today and introduced a chic friend of his to me, the girl interjects with, “I’m his girlfriend….even though he’s introduced many others to you….(blah)(blah)..I don’t believe in competition, I like cooperation.”

    I almost high-fived her…gave my boy a pat on the back instead. Women will submit and come to terms with other women, if you apply RP knowledge…they’ll fight in the beginning, they’ll probably shit test you a bit after but in the end she knows its about pleasing you, and really other women are not her problem. They’re unicorns out there. And they’re coming out of the wood work.

  32. @ redlight,

    1st Marriage: Suffered medical problems. Medications were worse than the actual ailment. Took 2 months to recover fully. Wife was onboard for approximately 2 weeks of ” helping ” me. She eventually trailed off more and more until I couldn’t even get a glass of water from her.

    Lesson learned.

    2nd Marriage: Herniated disc. I couldn’t stand up straight for close to 6 months. I was scared shitless of back surgery, so I rode it out with muscle relaxers, ibuprofen and pain killers, and an ass-load of therapy/stretching. I got up and hobbled my ass out of the house and to work every day. After the initial explanation to the wife about what my condition was, I barely mentioned it again. My attitude was that it was my pain, my injury, and I’d have to deal with it alone. Feelings remained intact. Wifey took an interest in helping me stretch daily. She voluntarily went with me to a few doc appointments and made sure I has easy access to heating pads and cold packs.

    …but I didn’t ask for shit.

    She would tell me to take it easy and not to aggravate my back, and I replied ” It’s gonna hurt regardless so fuck it..”.

    The disc eventually slid back into place, and it felt like I was being sawed in half. But once it was back where it was supposed to be, I felt like a million bucks adjusted for inflation.

    I danced her around the living room and demanded that she tell me that I Am The Fucking Man.

    What I’ve learned? they will help you, but h-e-l-p is in tiny little letters. They freak if you become immobilized for any period more than a few days. Other than childbirth, I don’t think women have a very good concept of pain or suffering. It’s probably the whole lacking empathy thing. L.O.L.

    So you’re dealing with someone who desperately wants to give a fuck, but she finds the fuck cupboard bare. Don’t look to her for support. Lower your expectations. If she surprises you, awesome. If not, meh.

  33. redlight,

    You heard me right. There were several possibilities about the old hag: mom (unlikely), pimp (remote), or friend of the chick and her parents as she claimed. In any case, she didn’t drink (red flag), turned out to be a little physically lame (negated the red flag) and the neighborhood restaurant isn’t exactly upscale, so no big investment on treating her nice. As the evening progressed, she revealed herself to be barely removed from homeless and really was more conversational than the chick, who however made up for it though with her particular talents. I must admit I had a brief moment of concern with the old broad riding in the back seat when driving them home, not carrying at the time, not that it would have mattered given the logistics of the situation.

    At least the chick didn’t try to go through my pockets, as some pros will do while making out, so maybe the whole encounter was just innocent urban fun. I know I enjoyed it and hope to again…minus IB22 tagging along as chaperone!

  34. Sphinx dated 4000 – 10,000…..uhmmm

    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/pyramid/explore/howold2.html

    Unfortunately, the Internet, media, book industry, intertainment industry, “news”, etc., etc., etc., all provide a medium for the production of a plethora of lies, hoaxes and honest mistakes to to be painted upon the canvass of our ignorant and creative minds. Many so called “studies”, “discoveries” and claims rank with alien abductions, the lost city of Atlantis, big foot, The Loch Ness monster, UFOs, ancient aliens, illuminati, black magic, witchcraft, ougie boards, fortune tellers, religion and superstition.

  35. YaReally
    “That’s not an alternative at all lol That’s just rewarding her shitty behavior which will encourage more of it,….”

    Solid gold man and thanks a million! As I said above the second option is a moot point as she wasn’t working tonight and no chance to debase myself further lol.

    The DHV in-field is definitely the way to go and I’m scheming on it. FWIW I recognized the need for same and pulled away from her and her minder and circulated around the place chatting up the patrons who I knew from past visits. No big investment yet bro….one date…but your point is spot on. (I. will. fuck. this. chick. when. she. earns. it.)

    I knew when the chaperone appeared there was no fuckee suckee, so I DHV the best I could by playing along. I agree that the sugar-daddy option is really what’s in play here, and I’m kind of disappointed that she wasn’t a pro in the micro sense. (I’ve run into one chick in the past in this place who was working out of the same chair I was sitting in the other night….another interesting story.) I guess I could’ve walked out but that wouldn’t have been particularly useful to anyone. See my comment above in reply to redlight for some other details and the state of my mind at the time. In any case, remember I haven’t tongued a 28 yo since 1986 so if I’d have stroked out on the ride home I’d have died a happy pappy.

  36. @Longgone – You might need to do some shock therapy with this young one. Remember, she lives in a world where men kiss her ass. Assuming she has any genuine interest in you, what you need to do is be different from the young guys. A few tips:

    1. Send here a 1 word text. “Flake”. When she responds (which she will) tell her you don’t put up with people flaking on you. And then shut up. Even if she goes away for a week or two, she may come back but will do so with more respect.

    2. Tell her if you ever go out again you don’t expect her to bring some strange broad along.

    3. Sugar Daddy – Be explicit. Tell her you want to have sex with a younger women who wants an older guy to be nice to her. Shopping or some cash, whatever. I’d go right into it, maybe even over text after the flaking.

    You need to stimulate some emotion and friction here, if you want to get anywhere with her. But do be honest, her behavior says that she’s playing you for sure. Bringing the other woman who was homeless was a way of keeping away from the sexual angle and also a way to soak you for two dinners instead of one. In other words, you already demonstrated super desperation, I mean think about. If she was 40 and showed up with another woman for a date, would you put up with that for a second? Me? I would have left, huge DHV.

  37. @longgone.

    I once blew it with sisters! One older and one younger. (I was too drunk).
    Never Again. (play a good game and you can fuck both).

  38. scribblerg,
    Thanks for your analysis. You nail it as expected.

    1.”Send her a 1 word text. “Flake”. When she responds (which she will) tell her you don’t put up with people flaking on you. And then shut up. Even if she goes away for a week or two, she may come back but will do so with more respect. ”

    Spot on. I was only looking for text game advice and this is where I want to go.This will happen as soon as there is either another text from her or a sufficiently long interval w/o one.

    2. “Tell her if you ever go out again you don’t expect her to bring some strange broad along.”

    This is a given, and she knows it anyway or she wouldn’t have apologized in the first 5 minutes.

    3.”Sugar Daddy – Be explicit. Tell her you want to have sex with a younger women who wants an older guy to be nice to her. Shopping or some cash, whatever. I’d go right into it, maybe even over text after the flaking.”

    This is exactly where I’d like to be with this one, and only this one, based upon what I picked up from her mentally, physically and emotionally. This is the approach I’m most interested in. When I approached this topic with another woman, (when I was married,) she flaked because she was looking to replace my wife, with whom I hadn’t yet concluded our business, and didn’t do so for another decade.

    Yeah scribblerg, shock therapy, or shock and awe is called for, and is forthcoming.

    In closing, for the record, the crone wasn’t quite yet homeless, but was borderline incoherent and closing fast. (Not really a woman as we understand the term.) The dinners were cheap, and in the end if the chick was 40 I wouldn’t have even made an approach.

    She’s playing me; I’m playing w/her and it will play out.

    Thanks G for your generous interest and advice.(I wish you could see her, as you’d understand….)

  39. @longgon Naiive.

    My, My.
    A woman brings her friend on her date with you lol and you’re STILL lol looking for strategy how to make her fuck you lol (?)(!).

    Loltard

  40. It’s kind of odd to read the trolls here from a distant perspective, because on the one hand it could just be normal internet trolling by people who don’t like or agree with what is discussed here. On the other, it perfectly fits with:

    http://therationalmale.com/2012/08/22/just-get-it/
    http://therationalmale.com/2015/04/14/managing-expectations/

    Too much exposure to red pill male perspective is likely to be infuriating for any woman who can’t handle the truth of her own existence.

  41. “Shopping or some cash, whatever. I’d go right into it,”

    Whaaaat?
    And this is an advice from a natural Alpha ?

    Natural alpha spending money to get laid ?

  42. “Too much exposure to red pill male perspective is likely to be infuriating for any woman who can’t handle the truth of her own existence.”

    I didn’t see anything in those links about the intellectually rigorous pronoun solipsism test. Apparently it pings at 8 uses of I, me, and or my in eight sentences. I learned that from the guy who used 13 in 12 sentences.

    1. @Liz,

      I was saving this for the second Solipsism post but, it’s not about how many “I”s or “me”s a woman brings to any counter argument, it’s that her first inclination for a counterargument is to use her personal experience and expect it to be accepted as a valid, universal truth by whomever she is presenting it to.

      This is common to feminine communication preferences (and men who’ve been conditioned to opt into a feminine-primary communication mode). Women focus primarily on the context of the communication (how it makes them feel while communicating), while men focus primarily on the content (the importance of the information being communicated).

      Towards the beginning of this thread Truman asked for some specific evidence of feminine solipsism and both you and IB have done an admirable job in providing it.

      The most visible manifestation of women’s rudimentary solipsism is the priority with which they expect their personal, existential, experience to be considered the most valid, legitimate and universal truth apparent in any debate.

      This personalization is the first order of any argument proffered by women just coming into an awareness of long standing conversations and discussion in the manosphere. It is so predictable it’s now cliché, and each woman’s first retort invariably responds with personalized anecdotes they think trumps any objective, observable evidence to the contrary.

      In fact most are so sure of their solipsistic, personal truth that glaring objectivity never enters their minds.

      I’s, Me’s and Myself’s are simply the vehicle and manifestation of women’s first directive – a solipsistic mental point of origin; any challenge to that self-importance is invalidated by her personal self-primacy. This mental origin is so automatic and ingrained to such a limbic degree that consideration of it is never an afterthought for her.

  43. @ Longgone:

    I would not try anything with that broad any longer, If a woman brings another strange broad with her on a date, it is a clear sign that she has not really an interest in you and that she will not give you the pussy. That’s the reason why she has brought the cockblocker girl with her 😉

    So why are you still trying to game that broad?
    Stop it and go hunting other girls, who are more willing to give the pussy.
    Just see it as a practise session.

    Sugar daddys are the most stupid on earth. Don’t be a sugar daddy. Spend your money on more important things!!!

    The most valuable resource of a man is not money.
    The most valuable resourse of a man is his TIME !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Don’t spend your time/money on bad “projects” !!

    Enjoy and welcome to the game “brother” 😉

  44. Choc,
    Slept on it and came to the same conclusion. Going to a club tonight where a buddy of mine is the music. We go a long way back, got frivorced after his heart attack, and is evidently now a man in demand. I’ll see what that venue has to offer.

    keyser
    “Those two women are LAUGHING at you as we speak.”

    So what? I’m laughing too. Won’t be the last time I fuck up. Baby steps. I’m comfortable w/approaching, but have work to do elsewhere. You’re such a help and I’m sure you’ll be swappin spit with 20-somethings at my my age ….not…douche.

  45. From the linked article:

    “Then came proper warfare, with real weapons and real warriors,” he says. “But it’s disturbing and shocking that violence was also evident in Neolithic times.”

    Walk outside and stand on the grass somewhere. Now look around. Although it may escape your notice violence is all around you, including above and below. Trillions are fighting and dying, many of them beneath your very feet.

    Even the plants are using violence, both defensively and aggressively. There are pine forests and there are oak forests, but there are no mature mixed pine and oak forests. There can only be one. They even invade and conquer each other’s territories using Flying Monkeys as agents.

    Life feeds on life and the ecology is dynamic and nothing changes except by the application of force. The Peaceful Order of Society is maintained by force, sometimes quite lethal force.

    Violence is golden. Life comes to a halt at the cyanobacteria stage without it.

  46. Footnote:

    It was well understood for thousands of years that pines and oaks invaded and took over each other’s territories, but was Thoreau who first discovered the mechanism by which it took place. Nobody had noticed the key role played by the Flying Monkeys.

  47. @ChocDoc – There are many levels of sugardaddying. I don’t do it currently but had a young one who liked me to take her shopping and “help” here and there a couple of years ago. I do agree that a formal sugar daddy thing, like paying her rent or an allowance or whatever is ridiculous. But what it is in reality is straight up provisioning for sex, just like most of you married guys are doing, lol. And at least there you are getting to bang a young hottie. Fyi, the sex with that girl Allison was quite enthusiastic and also morphed into more of a mentoring relationship where sex without

    As Longgone says, you have get how this young one makes him feel. He’s not trying to marry her, just fuck her. Old guys have to be creative. He’s also learning – which I think he knows. When you are 50+ and trying to bang 20 somethings, any play is good practice.

    @Long – Keep working it, I get that you know this is a low probability situation. I also suggest you really take a hard look at your appearance and dress. Doing the “take the grey out” dye job (the subtle one) takes 10 years off of me. I don’t look weird cuz I have a young face (finally the boyish look is paying off!). If you can’t do that, consider a very close cut or shaved head if you are balding or grey – these two things that simply dry pussies out. Get some contemporary jeans that fit you well – don’t go skinny legged, guys our age who do that look douchey. But low waist, fitted to the legs. Buy a few cool tee shirts – spend 80 bux a pop on them in some hip store. Young women looking for short term mating are suckers for style, and most of the young guys their age look like shit.

    You can also easily turn that into the “cool older business guy” look with a nice jacket and collar shirt. Or put on a leather bracelet and play the aging rockstar. Some faded ink would be even better, and yes, I’m going to get some ink soon, am planning and carefully considering it, but will have something on my bicep by the end of the year. It might be a tiger, but i’ve decided that i have to like the image for several months before I pull the trigger and I keep changing my mind. Fyi, I’m not doing the ink for women, I’ve always wanted a nice tattoo. I’m going to have an amazing, ornate job done, it will probably cost about 1k. I want it for me, but in part this is because I’m internalizing my own masculine values so deeply, my “shame” at getting a tattoo over social status or not wanting to be seen as “trying” is gone. I’m just doing what I want now, lol. And this happens to be something young hotties find very attractive. Think about it, the tattoo is a culturally transgressive symbol, it’s a way of immediately announcing that one has had it with societal norms and constraints. What Red Pill man who is his own point of mental origin isn’t socially transgressive? And when women sport tatts, it’s like the Blue Light special announcement at Walmart saying “I”M DOWN TO FUCK”. Working a 40 yr old, Brooklynite fading hottie currently who sports a tatt, just by noticing it I let her know that I get she’s a slut. Lol. Will close her next week, after she buys me dinner for “helping” her get some business. Value comes in many forms guys, but alpha always reeks.

    Perhaps we could find a Red Pill emblem/symbol or Rational Male logo or something? I would figure out how to work it in. Imagine you could recognize Red Pill men anywhere by a little tweek in their tatts? Lol.

    Lifting weights alone is changing my life. While I’m far from being in good shape, I’m no longer the gym wimp. Steady attendance and obvious progress is making the gym a more welcoming place for me as other serious lifters seem to get that I’m not a short termer. It’s also cool to move up weight and not have to hold back cuz I’m old or fearful of injury. The most interesting bit is that when I do a lift session – cardio warmup, 16×4 on two body parts, at a timed intervals, followed by a core session, I’m exhausted afterwards. I mean, the level of energy expended in one of those sessions is just phenomenal. I regularly drink as much as 2 litres of water during them and I now almost rage my way through it. listening to Snoop Dogg or Led Zeppelin or Bass Nectar, lol. I push myself to the max and to failure with abandon now and there is something so all consuming about it. I love the focus required to bench my max and literally find myself working myself up into a bit of a rage before each set, lol. Who the fuck am I? Really guys, if you told me this would be me, and my POV, 3 years ago, I would have laughed at you (and later thought about swimming out into the middle of my lake and letting myself just sink to the bottom). I like being an aggressive man. I like that people see me differently.

    I’ll close out with a vignette that will be revealing to those who have been following my travails. My “moment of truth” came almost 3 years ago now due to an attack and piling on by my daughter and two sisters, sisters to whom I’d played a fatherly role to for significant parts of their lives. Essentially, I had become useless and was being disposed of – sick and broke father figures just aren’t that helpful in life.

    Fast-forward to one sister’s b-day party 3 of weeks back. I hadn’t seen this sis for maybe 5-6 weeks and since the workout program is in high gear now, the difference is notable. I’d just gotten to the point where I could sport a tee shirt that emphasized the upperbody, clinging to the biceps but was loose enough around the waist to not reveal the remaining chubby bits. She was almost stunned when she saw me, me also with a nice tan, calm, smiling and the music guy for her party. I alternately dj’d, ran some pop music for the kids to dance to and performed acoustic with a looper, but saved my energy for a crescendo evening performance, after the kids were to bed. A bunch of my sister’s best friends, my bro in law and some of his guys, who I know by this point as I’m friends with bro in law, are there. Everyone high or half drunk, but in a mostly pleasant way. Hard working, good responsible parents and careerists letting it rip, everyone is sleeping over, maybe 20 of us or so. Crowd is 30s-40s. .

    I dial in the guitar just right. Heat up the pickups just a bit too much, so you have to be careful even toughing the strings but if done right gives a slightly compressed sound, get the right amount of reverb on the guitar and also get the voice channel perfect. I begin playing my spooky, soulful shit complete with lead guitar accompaniments and simply send it. It was perhaps one of my best performances ever – which I wanted to give to this sister. She’s earned it by moving beyond our stupid argument and being a better sister to me. But I’ve also been gaming her. I also realize that I exist in a social context and it’s more enjoyable for her to have her strong, optimistic, healthy and calm older brother around than the fat, anxiety-ridden, unhealthy and lost man around. She liked showing me off to her friends that day. And after the first set, she came up and hugged me and praised me and essentially preened me about as social proof of her high value, and then i made the second set even better. One guy at the party was so moved and enjoyed it so much that he couldn’t stop talking about it. For like an hour after I was done he just kept prattling like, “It’s amazing, you just come out of nowhere with that kind of music, how to do you do that?” I had done mostly originals and yeah, I fucking have it like that. I worked at it for years and earned it.

    I also am much more expressive and open and less anxious about performing now. Especially like that. Consider the setting. My sister’s brick patio, up in the woods of New Hampshire, I’m in a tiny corner, in micro-set config with the combo PA/amp (an old Peavey Ecoustic – which actually has great sound if you bother to really dial it in, there are many manual settings to tweak, but one of the advantages of being older is being patient and knowing shit like that). Candle light is flickering, it was a warm night but we had some drizzle on and off, they begged me to play through so I did, having already made my gear safe from rain as I’d looked at the forecast ahead of time, again, something a real performer will check out when setting up for an outdoor gig. As an aside, all of us are backcountry types, climbers, skiiers, campers so standing in a warm summer’s night slight drizzle is actually enjoyable. It’s a crowd that I’m just very comfortable with and I just let it rip.

    My sister had never seen me perform like that. Usually I’m unamped and just fucking about, and she hasn’t been out to a real gig of mine in 2 years – and homie has improved. This was my birthday gift to her and she loved it. After the second set, I was the center of attention for as long as I wanted to be, which wasn’t long. The next day people were still talking about the music. My sister was so proud of me and admiring of me, truly, I haven’t had that experience of her seeing me that way in a long time.

    The MGTOW out there can tell me that I’m running my life around women, and I’ll just laugh. I’m running my life around being truly happy. You see, I now get that being powerful and admired by my sister makes me happy. I don’t like her seeing me as broken, which she had to for a while. These are the dividends I’m getting paid for living a Red Pill life as a fully actualized man. I play smart, but only in a way that intrinsically pleases me. Get that I loved doing that performance as well. It was so intimate and I really opened my heart up with my originals, which unsurprisingly have a laconic bent to them. I was moved and inspired, my channel was open and I let the muse run the show.

    Fyi, secondary play here is at my daughter via my sister cuz they talk. Social proof in a family system leeches around. And I’m just getting started, he he. I know she’s looked at my new kickass website and sees my exploding social media presence. I’m also leading an event in Boston that she might be aware is happening, as she’s plugged into the startup community there. Lol, she’s getting signals everywhere that she might need to re-evaluate me. My campaign in Boston includes driving my persona in that startup community to noticeable levels to develop my business, but also to snag her attention again. She used to think I was hot-shit, and I was. Being hotshit is fun, and if it keeps the women in my life in line, isn’t that even better? Sure seems that way to me….

  48. @ scribblerg:

    I really like to read how much efforts you make to build the new scribblerg.
    Mental point of orgin is now you and only you.

    Keep on working and take the best things you can get.

  49. Recent success.. just started reading due to my son, to my joy, ending his engagement to his hypo g fiance. I am 50+ married to same women so you can figure out my life..anyway after a week of getting introduced to this site I was in an arguement with my wife and I said “you are not going to enter my frame” she said what is that? I said I wasn’t sure but just f ing don’t do it…anyway last night she came to bed in an outfit she had bought that day..firsttime she has done that,,, ever….I will keep you posted…

  50. @Hey Kesyer – I offered what I meant in being a “natural alpha” – every line of it true. I also discovered that naturals don’t know what they are. I didn’t think I was an alpha till about a year ago when I started “coming out” as Red Pill to my male friends. They all said, “You are an alpha” without me ever claiming it, or laughed when I try to say I was a half assed alpha.This is how I was known to other people. Isn’t that the definition? What other’s think? And not knowing, doesn’t that make me a natural?

    Something you also don’t get is that it doesn’t bother me if I’m not. So what? Tell me what category I am and if it fits, I’ll change to that. But you see, for me, it explains my life. It explains things like why I was able to attract and marry a homecoming queen/prom queen and never realize my own value. It explains how when my confidence waned my life went from demi-god reality – jetting to South Beach for a weekend, meeting up with the stripper I’d met 3 weeks before in West Palm when I was down their golfing for the weekend (and scraping her off halfway through as she became a pain in the ass while I gamed 5 other women who my friends I met up with later at a club). I lived like that and never considered myself an alpha. The thought never occurred to me, 2 years into the Red Pill. Until I tried to convince lifelong friends I wasn’t alpha.

    I recognized something in myself during all this. I had internalized that old fashioned, middle American, Irish Catholic self-deprecation and self-loathing. Due to Blue Pill conditioning, I saw my troubles with my adult daughter and sister’s as my last failure, along with a betrayal of something so fundamental in me that it broke me. When I cleared away this wreckage my natural aggression re-asserted itself, first in a white hot rage that I sprayed here from time to time, but mostly expressed in endless thrashing about of all sorts. Then I calmed down and moved inside and found this powerful, creative, wise man who’d been attractive to women his whole life. A Warren Beatty like character – what was that movie where he just kept sleeping with women seemingly accidentally? My life looked like that to me.

    When I stopped hating myself, and looked at what I’d accomplished in my life and the source of it, and also saw my social standing clearly in the worlds I lived in, it just popped one day. It also completely explained my fall from grace. When CPTSD laid me low, 2-3 years after a life threatening and seriously inuring rock climbing fall, and then was hit with the 2008 financial crisis, while putting a kid through university in this day and age, my previous “winner” existence was turned upside down. Sure, some bad decisions and bad luck caught up with me, but the cause is irrelevant. I was picked up and bodyslammed by life and lost status rapidly. All this begins in my mid-40s when I’m already fading a bit naturally anyway.

    It was like I didn’t recognize myself. But the Red PIll makes it clear. I now embrace who I am – alpha or not, I give zero shits. I am the master of my dominance, it’s not running things now. I use it wisely now, I curate leadership in the numerous leadership roles I play in my life. I’ve embraced my natural leadership skills, I don’t thwart them now. i’m also much less conflicted inside so I can be with people much more completely and “get” them very quickly versus being so caught up in my crap. I know who I am, I’m here, let’s play – no friction.

    Feel like having a conversation instead of flinging dung at me? Convince me I’m not a natural, fine, I’ll comply if you make sense. But let’s engage each other thoughtfully. I’ve made my case, where am I off?

  51. scribblerg,

    “There are many levels of sugardaddying.”
    This. Don’t have to sugardaddy the ex and daughter anymore, so a little here and there is no big deal. Rent, allowance…no way. Also I’ve been becoming more open to paid ONS, but haven’t yet played it. After all you’re not paying for the sex, but for them to go away.

    “When you are 50+ and trying to bang 20 somethings, any play is good practice.”
    60+

    “…dye job (the subtle one) takes 10 years off of me.”
    Same same. A guy at work said I looked 45. He’s just being kind, but I’d say 50. You’re right about the bald part, but I still have most of my hair and and I always leave just enough gray for credibility. I watch my appearance because for years when I had my business I realized that for sales and marketing a premium is placed on, if not “youth”, then vitality. I still try to keep it up because the company that bought me out expects sales/business development from me and I try to set an example for the younger men. A side benefit is I have been noticing IOI from some of the young (25-30) hotties and fading hotsies (40-45) at the office, but most are married and I’m very careful not to shit where I eat. Company happy hr. coming soon and will maybe get in some more approach practice w/ them then. (I could be banging 50+ fatties in that place every day of the week, but would lose all self-respect and probably my job.)

    “…..cool older business guy” look with a nice jacket and collar shirt.”
    My uniform, obviously. Chick Monday night couldn’t keep her hands off the new jacket. Had a hard time getting her makeup off the shoulder, and my white shirt was a mess. At least she wasn’t rummaging in the pockets haha.

    “…hold back…old….fearful of injury.”
    Always had a problem gaining weight when younger. Have a bicyle-rider body and did ride regularly during my 20’s and 30’s. I regret never doing weight training earlier, but would have probably injured myself then as I would now. (I’d like some advice in this area as I could use some improvement upper body.) I think he best I can do now is watch my diet and not get skinny-fat. Just building up to long-distance walking is a challenge. Running, forget it.

    Again, scribbler thanks for the encouragement and backup, which quite a few lurking on here will need when (if) they grow a pair and hit the street.

    Gotta go get my hair – do.

  52. @long – Yeah the ankle biting from the children here means they have no idea what kind game you have to playing to get ant attention from hotties at your age, forget me @ 53. I think they also cannot comprehend the hit of vitality an older man gets from a young sexy woman, it’s delicious.

    As for weight training get someone who knows about hiit training. I do an insane workout. I combine two body pRts and do 16 sets of 4 different exercise for each body part. 32 sets a session. In ours set of arms 30 second break back set 2 min break next at set. Work up to this with ridiculously light weights. As you develop stop at the first tweet of muscle or connective tissue. Your body will often warn you when u are pushing too hard and by listening you will be able to avoid serious injury. The problem is that at our age, injury takes a long time to heal so it can be devastating to us, I was sidelined fo over a year due to a hernia and corrective surgery.

    But it will add to your vitality immeasurably. If wifi up your T or sure and women will notice u more. All women like muscles. It also helps me feel stronger and more lethal in general. Go to a local gym and find a young guy who knows what he’s doing as a trainer. Tell him you want to do high intensity training to pu I muscle mass that you think this is a great way to fight aging, and he will dial u in on form and what exercises to do. I go 2-3 days a week and let each muscle group rest for 4-5 days. It’s easy once you get in the groove. It takes longer than it used to but I can still do it all in 1 hour if I hustle. It will change your life.

    My BP as of yesterday? 117 over 73 on no mess at 53. And getting better 😈

  53. “As you develop stop at the first tweet of muscle or connective tissue.”

    Paying particular attention to connective tissue. Muscle develops much faster and it isn’t too hard when starting out to develop muscular strength beyond what your connective tissue is ready to handle.

    In his later years Bruce Lee’s weight training routine was almost entirely centered on developing his connective tissues. Nonetheless, his muscles were described as being “warm marble.”

  54. “Without all that understanding and skill, it’s just lambs to a slaughter…but because of solipsism and males as expendable tools, society is okay with that lol”

    marriage is the ultimate shit test. and it should be because the benefits to a man are enormous.

    1. Sex. I have much much more sex being married than I could ever get as a single man. the amount of time and work it would take to get a quality fuck and an excellent bj everyday as a single man would make it almost impossible for me to pursue anything else. the benefits of drained balls and a clear head are massive. not to mention sex on demand means if a spontaneous hard on or a desire to fuck derails me from whatever I’m doing I can bang out a quick one and get back to work.

    2. Food. Everything starts with nutrition. A man can’t be his best if he is eating poorly. I eat like a king. It makes the garbage I consumed as a single man look like exactly what it was. Garbage. I have never felt better in my life. Much of that has to do with my wife’s endless work in the kitchen. I never tell her this. I tell her to do better.

    When a man gets married he does not make a promise to be sexually committed to one woman. He makes a promise to be emotionally committed to one woman (but not really).

    It’s the woman who will be sexually exclusive. She is the one with oneitis for her choosen alpha.

    Only women are allowed to have oneitis for a lover.

    Marriage is such a huge shit test because while the woman is getting the object of her lust, the man must not get oneitis for the object of his. This is what makes her lose attraction because the man is behaving like a woman.

    Marriage is tough because the man has to follow through on his pledge to not get oneitis for his wife, or another woman (as this would threaten the wife’s security).

    She doesn’t care about her husband having sex with other women. Sex is just sex. She cares about him committing to another woman and if he displays oneitis tendencies (with her, by agreeing to marry her) the possibility of this happening is too high for her to risk.

    A man should only ever have oneitis for himself. Selfish, self-serving, aloof, indifferent, unpredictable, insatiable. This is what she wants.

    She wants to be your fucktoy for life. She should be the one proposing to you.

  55. @KFG – I’m a rank amateur at lifting seriously, you and others here please chime in with advice to Long. I did get motivated to get serious from this blog by guys here, so thanks.

  56. “A man should only ever have oneitis for himself. Selfish, self-serving, aloof, indifferent, unpredictable, insatiable. This is what she wants.”

    Really? Because if I had a man like that, I think I’d just turn him into a bad smell coming from my attic.

  57. @ Fleezer:

    You have mentioned some intersting points.
    You seem to have solved the puzzle.

    One questions though: ” Do you have a prenup? “.

  58. regarding shit tests

    confidence comes with early experience.

    there is nothing like passing a crazy young girl’s tests only to run into the final level that must be passed; her parents.

    getting a ride to her house (knowing that your time is limited) and then proceeding to make acceptable small talk with her parents when everyone knows that you’re about to head to her room and fuck her while her mom and dad watch tv is nerve-racking to say the least.

    this makes dealing with an isolated woman seem much easier in comparison.

  59. Without reading any of the previous comments, and certainly not holding any favoritism of Hilldabeast, and having fought in war, held my fellow man in his final moments, and presented the colors to surviving widows, I have a few thoughts:

    The dead are in a place where they have no worries. Take that statement for what you will. Men are those who pay the butcher’s bill in war. Women are left with the impoverished state of things once the bill is paid. I am a tremendous admirer of Stephen Pressfield’s works (he himself a fellow Marine), and his descriptions of the hardships of women in war resonates in “Gates of Fire.”

    War will wipe a nation and a generation of hER best men, her alphas. For any nation to survive in war, it must have women who accept this. The strength of Sparta was not her formidable warriors, but her women who would commit their sons and husbands to the fight before all else. Sparta was feared because any fortuitous victory against them on the field of battle was met with renewed resolve by her women to commit to the fight.

    Today, I live in a nation whose women pity my service and my hardships endured in combat, and a world where the enemies I once met on the battlefield advance with impunity knowing I am not there to meet him.

    “Spartan.”

    “Yes, m’lady.”

    “Return with your shield, or upon it.”

    “Yes, m’lady.”

  60. @All – Note, IB now talking about killing men who don’t adopt the worldview she believes men should hold. How classy and Christian, lol. More posing, more desperation to seem tough, it’s all so pathetic. What a trainwreck this broad must be IRL, I can’t even imagine what she’s like to live with. There isn’t a woman in my world who would dream of ever saying such an awful thing, no matter what the circumstances. But she sets herself up here as judge and jury and as supposedly cruising intellectually, morally and spiritually above us imbeciles and monsters. It’s just wild to see her reduced to her bare fangs and bloody claws. So stripped of all her ability to pretend that she’s anything but a hateful cur, she just lets her bloodlust scream out of her, fueled by her inchoate sense of powerlessness and rage at being so weak and so fucked up. Age isn’t kind to women…

  61. @ Not Born This Morning
    “There is absolutely now way we can collect enough verifiable evidence to claim a murder rate during prehistoric times.”

    This is true, but we do have some pretty good data on the Yanomami, and it’s that around 30% of males die violently. I also read somewhere that there are some genetic markers for r/K selection in humans, and that the Yanomami have the highest incidence of said marker for r selection.

    FWIW.,

  62. “Do you have a prenup?”

    No. My frame is the prenup. A wife with a wet pussy who’s afraid her husband will leave her doesn’t have the energy to play offense. A defensive woman is a happy woman and dread is the key to sublimating hypergamy and solipsism.

    Paper prenups get invalidated all the time. Judges are cock sucking assholes and paper contracts don’t mean shit. The rule of law is dead. We’re back to the law of the jungle. It’s every man for himself.

    I would not get married today and I will never remarry. It’s too much like playing the lottery and we all know the lottery is simply a voluntary moron tax on people who suck at math.

    Hot meals and Bjs on demand are relics of a dead era. Young guys moms are lazy and can’t cook for shit anyway so they won’t even know what they’re missing.

    Long live the player. The new age belongs to him and the yareally archives will be his holy book.

  63. “Today, I live in a nation whose women pity my service and my hardships endured in combat, and a world where the enemies I once met on the battlefield advance with impunity knowing I am not there to meet him.”

    Well, I don’t pity you. I thank you for your service and for your words of wisdom here today.

    Some men do not understand, but these are our sons, our husbands, our brothers, and we often love them even more than we love our own selves.

    People like scribblerg cannot feel that, they are so wounded and damaged inside that they have nothing to offer the world but hate filled words while they shake their impotent little fists. These are the men I pity, those who can never know a woman’s love.

  64. The only problem with quoting Hillary is she has never spoken an honest word in her life. It’s all politics all the time for that woman, but outstanding read none-the-less.

  65. @insanityCunt.

    “A woman should only ever have oneitis for herself . Selfish, self-serving, aloof, indifferent, unpredictable, insatiable. This is what he wants.”

    Really? Because if I had a woman like that, I think I’d just turn her into a bad smell coming from my attic.

    How about that?
    Do you agree a man should do the same?
    Yeah, show your true colors you violent insane Cunt .

    Ps
    Michelle Carter used your kind of solipsism to kill her friend.

  66. Insanity,
    “People like scribblerg cannot feel that, they are so wounded and damaged inside that they have nothing to offer the world but hate filled words while they shake their impotent little fists. These are the men I pity, those who can never know a woman’s love.”

    Scribblerg is the way he is because of hypocritical insane Cunts like you who wants to :
    Because if I had a man like that, I think I’d just turn him into a bad smell coming from my attic.

  67. “Yeah, show your true colors you violent insane Cunt ”

    Not at all. I show some well reasoned common sense when confronted by men so broken and full of rage, they really aren’t fit to have relationships with women at all.

    Not only is your wounding repulsive to women, it is shameful to all the grown up men in the world who know how to act like decent human beings, men who are worthy of my admiration and respect, men who chose to make the world a better place, men who lead, men who call women to follow them because they have integrity and honor, men that women actually delight in serving.

    The rest of you are just impotent little man-boys, wallowing in your own poo, marinating in your own bitterness, and the closest thing you ever get to a hard on is calling random women on the internet “cunts.”

  68. Rollo, reading that article carefully reveals details:
    1. All adult males were killed.
    2. All the children were killed.
    3. Women over 40 were killed.

    That leaves fertile aged women and possibly teenaged boys as captives/slaves.

    The tactics of shinbusting are quite workable with the tools, keeps a killing from turning into a fight. So much for the “peaceful” good old days.

    wacokid – good first step, one of the amazing things about maintaining frame, especially when connected with solid Game, is how well it works from the start. Now, follow through with that, any woman willing to go out and buy something new for bed is getting her mind right.

    Declaration:
    “A man should only ever have oneitis for himself. Selfish, self-serving, aloof, indifferent, unpredictable, insatiable. This is what she wants.”

    Bytes
    Really? Because if I had a man like that, I think I’d just turn him into a bad smell coming from my attic.

    I always enjoy when Bytes lets her true, 2nd stage feminist beliefs out.

    Then later:
    Bytes
    Some men do not understand, but these are our sons, our husbands, our brothers,

    These are your mules, your walking ATM’s, your sperm vending machines. Or perhaps your “bad smells coming from the attic”?

    and we often love them even more than we love our own selves.

    Uh, sure. I can look around and see that every day, you bet. Y’all love yourselves first, your children (if any) second and then other entities…maybe. Unless you turn them into bad smells coming from the attic, as your high priestess Mary Daly wished to do.

  69. “Because if I had a man like that, I think I’d just turn him into a bad smell coming from my attic.”

    Rollo,

    Maybe earned another time-out?

  70. “I always enjoy when Bytes lets her true, 2nd stage feminist beliefs out.”

    And so much for her claims of an Extra Super Alpha husband.

  71. “And so much for her claims of an Extra Super Alpha husband.”

    He’s an amazing man, the precise opposite of so many of you, kind to me, generous, a good father. I actually delight in pleasing him, in serving him, in pouring words of encouragement and praise over him. He is a man worthy of respect, one who never plays games, one who would never perceive himself as so unworthy he has to rely on manipulation and trickery to try to control women.

  72. “And if you ever find him sniffing around in the attic, he’s trying to find out where you hid his balls.”

    But at least he has some! Most of you couldn’t find yours with two hands and a flashlight.

  73. “reasoned common sense” ¡ (insanity style)

    Because if I had a man like that, I think I’d just turn him into a bad smell coming from my attic.

    Ps
    Insanity, What is your N count (including the ones while married)(?).
    Ps2,
    Oh never mind

  74. “This solipsism is the necessary result of a feminine survival instinct that’s helped preserve women and their offspring in a violent, chaotic and uncertain evolution.”

    Amen, Tomassi! I’m terribly sorry if the feminine survival instinct makes some men suffer from the feel-bad, but you sad and pathetic human beings are simply going to have to get over yourselves. Women have a right to survive and if you want to be with one, than grow the hell up and become something a woman would want.

    1. @insanitybytes22

      “Women have a right to survive.”

      Nobody on this planet has a ‘right’ to survive. You have to ‘work’ to survive in this world. Most things in nature ‘earn’ their existence or end up food for something better.

      You only live a privileged life in an advanced technical society because men build, maintain, and protect you. Otherwise you would be wearing a burka in some poor Islamic shithole thanking Allah you actually lived to see the wall at age 30 after six to ten pregnancies.

      Typical female entitlement.

      1. “You only live a privileged life in an advanced technical society because men build, maintain, and protect you.”

        Correct! Hence my desire to pour praise and support over the men who do so. The rest of you, those who are full of hatred and do nothing but try to spew hateful words and bitterness in the world, you serve no purpose and might as well smell up my attic or fertilize my rose bushes. Is that solipsistic enough for you?

  75. Solipsism of the day:
    ADBG: “The environmental movement wrongly believes planting additional trees is an automatic good environmental move. These can actually be quite invasive and add to carbon dioxide emissions and even increase temperature.”

    Mrs. ADBG: “We can’t put a tree in our backyard. I really want one. But it would hit our power line.”

    Seriously, just talk to a woman long enough. This is a daily occurrence. It’s not about personalizing the environmental movement “charity starts at home,” but “trees” and “These are my feelings about trees” and “These are my concerns about trees” and “wait, what are you talking about?”

    We tore up the old carpet yesterday. I really need to get my own pry-bars. Unfortunately I have some unease about the advice people give me re: sanding. They are suggesting simply stripping the polyurethane off the floor with 120 grit sandpaper, then restaining and re-polyurethane.
    Not sure if I need to go for a full finish. 40 grit-80 grit-100 grit-restain-120-poly-300. Plus “sand the floor” sounds wonderfully straight-forward, but damn I don’t know how deep to sand the thing!

    I stripped the poly off half the dining room in the little period of time I had today. Water doesn’t bead, soaks right in PDQ.

    Thoughts from the crowd?

    I know, I know, I am not respectable, just a horrible, undisciplined Red Pill scoundrel. Yadda yadda….

  76. He’s an amazing man((he is boring)) , the precise opposite of so many of you((he just doesn’t get it)), kind to me((he knows about the torture chamber in the attic)), generous((Big time Beta,no money no sex)), a good father((he reminds me of my father and that makes the tingles disappeared)). I actually delight in pleasing him((do you swallow too?)), in serving him((??)), in pouring words of encouragement and praise over him((it makes my Dog jealous)). He is a man worthy of respect((but not worthy of my tingles)), one who never plays games((because I’m the one who games him)), one who would never perceive himself as so unworthy he has to rely on manipulation and trickery to try to control women.((the torture chamber in the attic was my idea not his)).

  77. “How deep to sand the thing”

    ADBG what kind of floor are you working? A lot of “wood” floors installed in the last 20 years are either thin parquet or some kind of thin wood over laminate, or even laminate. Some of that stuff can’t really be sanded beyond touch-up.

    If all you need to do is strip polyurethane and re-coat then 100 to 120 grit would do it, that full refinish seems pretty involved to me.

    Know the wood before you start up, that’s my suggestion.

  78. Bytes
    He’s an amazing man, the precise opposite of so many of you, kind to me, generous, a good father. I actually delight in pleasing him, in serving him, in pouring words of encouragement and praise over him. He is a man worthy of respect, one who never plays games, one who would never perceive himself as so unworthy he has to rely on manipulation and trickery to try to control women.

    Explain why you spend so much time here trolling, again?

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