The Mystery of the Red Dress

Today’s quote is from the Biography of Steve Jobs. I did read the book in its entirety in 2010, but recently had this bit sent to me from a reader as an example of ‘How an Alpha should treat a Gold-digger‘. Mmm? No.

As an example of “alpha behavior” or an illustration of equal justice I can see why this incident might be construed as such, but there’s a much more valuable lesson to be learned in this exchange. The incident took place between Steve Jobs and singer Joan Baez, a woman who Jobs eventually had a relationship with.

In 1982, Jobs was introduced to Joan Baez by her sister Mimi Farina. He was 27 and she was 41. “It turned into a serious relationship between two accidental friends who became lovers,” said Jobs. Some of his friends believed that one thing that drew Jobs to Baez was the fact that she used to date Bob Dylan. “Steve loved that connection to Dylan,” said Jobs’ college friend Elizabeth Holmes.” The relationship fizzled out when it became clear that Jobs wanted children and Baez did not. 

Rolling Stone, 2011

Using a Red Pill Lens on this situation, we see a few apparent truths. The age difference was definitely a factor, but Jobs was well-known for what was called his “Reality Distortion Bubble“. In effect Steve Jobs had an intrinsic understanding of himself as his Mental Point of Origin. A lot of Type-A personalities have this in common – they innately make themselves the first thought they have in virtually all decisions they make. For some this can border on sociopathy, but most people we consider successes or geniuses had this sense of self as their starting point. Let me make this clear, you don’t have to be a sociopath or a solipsist to make yourself your Mental Point of Origin, but that is where these states begin.

Practically every very wealthy man I’ve ever worked for, or with, had himself in mind before a thought was give to anyone else’s consideration in his decision making process; family, spouse, employees, friends, we’re subordinate to his Mental Point of Origin. For most the process would start and end with themselves and their interests. These were the sociopaths. For a few that process started with themselves and ended with the consideration of others, but the process was a pragmatic one that facilitated a maintaining of power balance. As I’ve said in the past, I’m a proponent of enlightened self interest: I cannot help others until I help myself. Nor can I help others as effectively as when I help myself first. It’s not that you ought to become a selfish prick – you should think of the interests of others – but only after you’ve considered yourself in the scope of your own interests and how your interests facilitate the interests of others.

Now that this is settled, let me say that by this metric, Steve Jobs was none of this. According to the people he worked with, his family and friends, Jobs had all the characteristics of a solipsist. Yes, men can be solipsists too, though it’s more of a learned process rather than the innate proclivity women have to be solipsistic. From a business perspective, from a single-minded determination perspective, Jobs was certainly an Alpha. His mindset was that of an Alpha. His relationship history, however, was grossly influenced by Blue Pill idealism. One commonality you’ll find among men we consider great innovators, inventors, discoverers and entrepreneurial geniuses is they are almost invariably Blue Pill idealists with respect to their romantic lives. Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk are two current examples of this commonality. Argue their greatness if you like, their personal lives are classic examples of what happens to the Nerd, the autist, the high IQ guy, who’s afforded the money and success to live out their Blue Pill fueled impression of what a relationship with a woman should be like. And predatory women, with the savvy to understand (and have the patience for) the nature of Beta men, make these guys their bread and butter.

“There’s a beautiful red dress there that would be perfect for you.”

I’m not sure I would describe Jobs as an autist, or being on the Asperger’s spectrum, but he was certainly on the sociopath spectrum. Try not to conflate ‘sociopath’ with something negative in this instance. Sociopathic behaviors and character attributes can equally be attractive survival traits as they are evidence of megalomaniacal tyranny. Sociopathy is really by order of degree. Jobs most certainly began and ended his thinking with himself in mind.

My Red Pill Lens read on this is as follows: Something in Steve Job’s subconscious was testing Joan Baez for genuine desire.

I’m fairly certain most of my readers will understand the ovulatory shift implications of a red dress being the item in mention here, but there is a method to Job’s madness in this.

“I said to myself, far out, I’m with one of the world’s richest men and he wants me to have this beautiful dress.”

Joan doesn’t get it from the start here. She presumes that a rich man would want to purchase her affections via the transaction of a gift. Not uncommon for even 41 year old women, and yes, her thinking here is exactly the solipsistic mental point of origin women have a natural default for. Indignant guys will call her a Gold Digger, which is accurate, but moreover you have to look at the process here. She presumes that rich men buy expensive gifts for the women they’re interested in. But in typical Jobs fashion Steve flips the script without knowing that’s what he’s doing.

When they get to the store Steve points out the dress and says, “You oughta buy it.” She looked a little surprised, said she couldn’t really afford it, he said nothing and they left.

“Wouldn’t you think if someone (a rich man) had talked like that the whole evening they were going to buy it for you?”

It would be easy to dismiss this part as default female entitlement, but remember this was 1982, and while women (particularly attractive and famous women) did expect things from well-to-do men, the entitlement levels weren’t anything like they are now. I think she was genuinely confused. She really didn’t get it.

“The mystery of the Red Dress is in your hands. I felt a bit strange about it.”

He would giver her computers, but not a dress, and when he brought her flowers he would be sure to say they were leftover from an event in the office.

“He was both romantic, and afraid to be romantic.”

This end part is Baez’s last attempt to explain why an ‘eccentric‘ rich man wouldn’t buy her a dress he thought she’d look good in. I’m often asked how to go about vetting a woman for a long term relationship, and I’ve written essays about how most men simply never actually have the luxury of holding (much less developing) standards by which to ‘vet‘ a woman’s commitment-worthiness. Most men are not rich men, most men are Betas. Fewer still have the sense of self-value, or the access to so many optional women, as to presume to test a woman’s interest in him in any meaningful sense. Steve Jobs was not a necessitous man, he had, or could easily realize options when he wanted to. But even though he was idealistic in a Blue Pill conditioned sense, his subconscious wanted something it couldn’t buy – genuine desire from Joan Baez.

It’s easy to dismiss the Red Dress Incident as just another quirky personality flaw of a borderline sociopath who didn’t have the Game or the social intelligence to know he was offending or turning off a girl he kind of liked. Indeed, Joan tries to insert her own pop-culture psychoanalysis of Steve in the end; He was afraid to be the romantic she just knew he wanted to be. I expect this kind of rationalization from women who miss out on a once-in-a-lifetime chance to optimize Hypergamy. But what if Steve wasn’t afraid? What if it was a form of his shit testing Joan to determine her genuine desire for him?

As I said, most men don’t have the luxury to shit test women at all. For low SMV men, which is to say most men, the thought of experimenting with testing a woman for desire, much less long term suitability is never a consideration. Most guys can’t believe their luck that a woman actually expressed interest in him because they’ve lacked romantic options for most of their lives. So to consciously experiment with determining honest signals from a woman seems like tempting fate. The Thirst is such that most men would do damn near anything not to screw things up with a girl who’s showing interest in him. Just be thankful your ship’s finally come in, right?

I’ll add again here that most women, particularly in this social media era, are well aware that most men will never vet them for anything beyond baseline arousal and sexual availability. Thirst serves the Feminine Imperative very well, but what about men who are Blue Pill idealists, that can actually afford the options? Men for whom money and access are no object, but still persist in the fairytale the Blue Pill told them was possible?

What I see happening here is Jobs’ request for Baez to buy the dress for herself was a test of her genuine desire for him. Steve could’ve easily bought her the dress, even the whole store, but that wasn’t the point. What Steve wanted was for her to want to please him. His expressing a like for the dress was his subconscious testing her desire to please him.

I think you’d look good in this; It’s perfect for you” isn’t an offer, it’s a request. Will you sacrifice something to please me? 41 year old Joan Baez, could’ve afforded the dress. Hell, Ralph Lauren would have probably given it to her. But she expected Steve to buy it for her; that was her expectation then and it was the source of her confusion right up to Jobs’ biography interview. Her affinity for Jobs was transactional, not based in genuine desire. She failed the test.

Whether subconsciously or by design Steve wanted what most well-conditioned Blue Pill men want today: a genuine connection with a woman based on genuine (preferably unmitigated) desire. The Desire Dynamic is synonymous with The Rational Male. You cannot negotiate genuine desire is a foundational principle of both my work and all Red Pill awareness that follows from it. Steve’s ego wouldn’t allow him to negotiate for Joan’s real desire. His Mental Point of Origin and marginally sociopathic nature wouldn’t conceive it. But consciously or unconsciously he would test her (and other women he was involved with) for her desire to please him.

What is Your Red Dress?

It’s a cliché now for wealthy men to test women’s true interest in them. “Does she love me for me or because of my money/fame/status?” is a Blue Pill fantasy script for Beta men. This has been the plot of many popular stories and movies for centuries now (Coming to America with Eddie Murphy), but it’s a cliché because it accurately describes men’s subconscious coming to terms with women’s mating strategies and opportunistic concept of love. Women don’t fall in love with who a man is, they fall in love with what that man is. If a woman ever falls in love with who a man is it’s only after loving him for what he is first.

That’s some real cognitive dissonance a man has to confront in his life. The indignation that dissonance produces is very much the Red Meat most low SMV men love to wallow in, and commiserate in.

“She doesn’t love me! She loves what I can afford her! She’s a Gold Digger, I knew it!”

We love having women’s duplicity confirmed for us as men. It means we dodged a bullet by not investing in, and wasting our reproductive potential with, a woman who would be a bad bet for our future paternity. It provides the same chemical exhilaration and relief women feel when they think they’ve figured out a man’s “true” nature (Alpha Cad/Beta Dad). In the same way women get off on the indignation of discovering of men’s attempts to deceive women’s existential fear of false signals, so to do low SMV men get off on the indignation of discovering a woman only wants him for his money – not the real him.

What our subconscious truly wants is a pairing with a woman who has a genuine desire for us. Hot, unmitigated, Darwinistic monkey-sex is usually the manifestation of that genuine desire, but there are many more nuanced ways our male psyches will try to determine it. In past essays I’ve had men and women run me up the flagpole for suggesting a man never buy lingerie for his girlfriend or wife.

“How’s she supposed to know what I like if I don’t buy it for her?”
“I love getting something sexy from my man, sucks to be you.”

These, and more like them, are usually efforts in remaining self-ignorant of never having experienced genuine desire from a woman. If a woman has genuine desire for you she will be interested enough in you, and have the desire enough, to know how to please you without you explaining it to her. Genuine, organic desire is the foundation of all healthy relationships between men and women. Women who have genuine, unobligated desire for a man don’t ask him if they can go to Vegas for a girl’s weekend – her desire is for her man. Plates don’t require an active ‘spinning‘ on your part when she has real desire to be part of that man’s life. Women will eagerly share a worthy Alpha (rather than be saddled to a faithful Beta) if she has genuine desire for him.

and your desire shall be to your husband, and he shall rule over you.

Genesis 3:16

When a woman has genuine desire for a man she Just Gets It when he suggests that a Red Dress would be “perfect for her” and she buys it, borrows it or steals it to wear it for him.

If Steve Jobs had purchased the Red Dress for Joan Baez, every time she wore it she would be wearing it for her, not for him. Something inside Steve knew this, and something in you does too.

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Author of The Rational Male and The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine

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SJF
SJF
15 days ago

“Now as for Mushk either he is a sharp con taking advantage of the new religiosity of man made climate change or he realy believes in his mission and is a couplr cards short of a deck.” I hate to say this because Rollo is hoping to reach out to him. But it is an age old tale in which Elon’s dad was a dick and fucked over the family. Big Time. And there were subsequent adjustments and non adjustments in Musk’s behavior. Also Big Time. He was merely out to escape his father’s legacy and help his mother. And… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
15 days ago

More interesting to some. SpaceX Crew Dragon capsule meets man-rating standards by passing the escape test. SpaceX Falcon rocket lifts off from Canaveral, at altitude the capsule escape sequence engages as in a real abort, then the Falcon booster blows up on command. https://www.cnet.com/news/spacex-successfully-blows-up-a-falcon-9-rocket-in-escape-test-launch/ https://www.space.com/spacex-crew-dragon-launch-abort-test-success.html Launch with astronauts on board to the ISS scheduled for May 27. A lot of engineers are working remotely, so it’s a bit adventurous to go ahead. Man rated space flight to low earth orbit is a bit more complicated than the average iPhone app. Loading...

kfg
kfg
15 days ago

“Call me Bartleby.”

I would prefer not to.

PalmaSailor
PalmaSailor
15 days ago

@Wahoo To be honest with the exception of the queen herself I’m either way on most the Royals these days. As far as Harry is concerned, I’ve got some sympathy bc I got hooked up with an HPD and it’s what sent me here. Having said that I’m sick of hearing about it. Traditionally we’ve got a term for it “he got drunk on the furry cup” so if he wants out then as far as I’m concerned he needs to get lost. In case it hasn’t converted to American the public mood here has turned against him because the… Read more »

SJF
SJF
15 days ago

“Call me Bartleby.”

I would prefer not to.

Cause why?

Last time I checked, Bartelby was a check out-ed loser.

And we all know how that turned out…

“Bartleby, the Scrivener” reveals the decremental extinction of a human spirit.”

WTF?

wahoo Mcdaniels
15 days ago

SJF, I’m guessing you don’t believe the Musk father bad mother good trope any more than I do. It is likely just another hoax that fits the popular religion of woman good man bad, and fits the scenario of blame it on his dad cute puppy syndrome, it’s not his fault.

Palma, your sense of royalty would appear to be matrilineal, and can be married out of by a man yet retained by a female heir.

Anon, who is Bartelby ? No who cares?

palmasailor
palmasailor
14 days ago

@Wahoo

You’ve thought it through more than I have, and I don’t think about it like that.

It’s more to do with thinking she’s actually doing a good job and bringing some value, and I’m not sure any of the rest of them are doing that.

Certainly nothing to do with gender to be honest.

kfg
kfg
14 days ago

@SJF: “Cause why?”

‘Cause it’s the line – and a joke.

disgruntledearthling
disgruntledearthling
14 days ago

Wow – single-clicking on stuff works!

SJF
SJF
14 days ago

@KFG Sorry, I forgot the plot and theme in the 40 years since I read Bartelby the Scrivener. My bad. <blockquote<"Bartleby is a grim bastard. In his defiance, apparently unconcerned with impressing his fancy boss, he’s every high-achiever’s worst nightmare." @Wahoo No, I believe it is every bit fault-imposed-on-Musk for dealing with his meanderings, as far as inter-sexual relationships. One still has to play the cards that are dealt him, or imagine they are different. And at some point move along as if his father was not there influencing him. And no blame on dad, cute puppy syndrome. And it… Read more »

If-I-Fell
If-I-Fell
14 days ago

@ wahoo Mcdaniels “My take on it, ASD hangs his dick to the right, Blax hangs his to the left,Sjf’s is a bit short…” You missed the point! Blaximus’ dick is krazy glued to his left butt cheek. Everyone sees it. When they remark about it, he says that they are visually impaired and that they are falsely labeling him as a guy with his dick glued to his left butt cheek. I get the point about maintaining frame, but couldn’t he maintain frame and say, “Yes, my dick is glued to my left butt cheek, you got a problem… Read more »

PalmaSailor
PalmaSailor
14 days ago

^^ for the record this is still a sock puppet

If-I-Fell
If-I-Fell
14 days ago

It’d be like counterfeiting a quid. You could do it but why? Now, “PalmaSailor” that’s got to be worth a fiver, yes governor, at least!

wahoo Mcdaniels
14 days ago

If I Fell , that denial is a big part of the left handed hang, admission of agenda is a right hang trait. Also if a guy gets tired of stepping on it duck tape isn’t a bad idea.

SJF , could be a bad dad promise keeper situ yet keeping in mind the consensus reality for the most part that is gaslighting by the hypergamous mom and deemed believable weather real or imagined. Escapeism is par for the course for guys that live off the investors.

Palma , good luck getting a strong King over parliament. It’s long overdue.

SJF
SJF
14 days ago

“…yet keeping in mind the consensus reality for the most part that is gaslighting by the hypergamous mom and deemed believable weather real or imagined…” The original post made up motivations attributed to Steve Jobs. His father was one that gave him away. Your supposed made up consensus reality is making shit up about Musk. It’s not like Musk’s father wasn’t a dick and it’s not like his mother wasn’t nice to her three children, or that she forced father Musks hand to do what he did. Or that she was necessarily a gas-lighter. But it makes good fodder for… Read more »

wahoo Mcdaniels
14 days ago

SJF, Job’s mother gave him up for adoption, couldn’t say for sure about Musk’s father only that popular gossip in the consensus is putting down dads not moms , just as popular belief is man made climate change. Musk isn’t above capitalizing on common misconceptions. You can put anything all over the web anytime you are inclined to , doesn’t change the facts and the truth always comes out in the final conclusion.

SJF
SJF
14 days ago

Wahoo

Popular consensus is what gets young men in trouble with inter-sexual dynamics these days. Because it is gyno-centric. And I won’t mention politics in the equation.

If-I-Fell
If-I-Fell
14 days ago

@ wahoo Mcdaniels

You are right. Your observations match better with reality. I was thinking that in an anonymous forum… But. Yes, duct tape should also work.

wahoo Mcdaniels
14 days ago

“I was thinking that in an anonymous forum… ”

I was thinking for some their whole life is an anonymous forum.

wahoo Mcdaniels
13 days ago

“Popular consensus is what gets young men in trouble with inter-sexual dynamics these days. Because it is gyno-centric. And I won’t mention politics in the equation.”

It makes relationships impossible for both sexes in the equation. It gets young men into trouble at work even.

SJF
SJF
13 days ago

Well, that sounds awful Lilly White. And Faggy. Transgender–wise WTF, who did that? Two brothers? How the hell did that happen?

Shit for logic. And for a narrative.

Next up: changing David Fincher’s Fight Club into not really meaning to punch people in the face. Or talk about it.

theasdgamer
13 days ago

Are we done with the gay bathhouse schtick yet? I found it a little strange.

I’ve been playing on twitter lately. Some trolling, some not. The lefty broads are fun to troll. Standard two sh!t tests and then they chase. It’s as predictable as rain from cumulo-nimbus clouds. It’s all about frame and game.

The rightwing girls are also fun to mess with, but it’s a little different game.

wahoo Mcdaniels
13 days ago

Next up a rewrite where Neo takes both pills , he heard it is like doing X. He still fight with Smith but keeps running back into the matrix to lick his wounds. Winds up addicted to some new purple pill and after getting out of prison for domestic violence starts teaching anger management classes.

If-I-Fell
If-I-Fell
12 days ago

Love in the Time of Covid19…Well, actually…Not even lust… My Daughter came to me a little down. She had been seeing/dating exclusively (or so she thought) a guy for about 4 months. She had recently bought him a nice expensive birthday gift. She is in healthcare and her “boyfriend” didn’t want to see her in person for fear of contracting coronavirus, but she persevered. He sent her frequent texts about how he really wanted to be with her. Finally, he came clean and said that he wasn’t ready for a relationship and it wasn’t fair of him to keep seeing… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
12 days ago

Husband not worried wife is dating… “The split has been tough for him, but he is doing his best to stay positive,” the source said. “They split in the past and then got back together. Brian has no plans to file for divorce. He isn’t ready to date either. It seems he is hoping that he and Megan once again can work things out. He is giving her space and letting her do her thing. He wants her to be happy. He thinks she is a great mom and is not at all bitter that she is dating.” https://people.com/movies/brian-austin-green-says-cheating-wasnt-factor-megan-fox-split/ Loading...

Sentient
Sentient
12 days ago

If I fell

QUESTION: Is there anything more a father can do for his daughter?

Have a young guy you like over for dinner. Then send them out to bring back some more wine or dessert.

IRL
IRL
12 days ago

@If-I-Fell I don’t have a daughter so take what you want from it. Rollo mentioned pointing out intersexual dynamics to his daughter. To what extent should this be done?  What would it change? Her mind? Surely not her feelings? The guy hasn’t had a chance to become an irritating furniture. And she’s been pushed away, not the other way round. He may well be a chump, but we know it plays with girls’ feelings. What ifs, lost opportunities, chasing, \/\/\/\/\ and re-living it. Soap operas are built on that. Old new maxims: “investment creates compliance” and “it’s all there is… Read more »

SJF
SJF
11 days ago

If-I-Fell I tried to clear my mind and come up with some shit for you. I went out to my farm and cleared my mind a bit. Actually, a lot. Doing shit. I went back and tried to review Rollo’s book Positive Masculinity to get some ideas on what to respond to your questions. But there is not much there. Only have a good daughter and teach your son’s well. Amused Mastery was never really fleshed out there. And having a daughter and being a father and being red pill and making her make good choices was never really fleshed… Read more »

SJF
SJF
11 days ago

I hate to say that what prompted me to post was coming across Fiona Apple’s song Criminal on my ear-buds, going to sleep: This song is about Apple making a mistake in a relationship (cheating, perhaps?) and therefore making her a “criminal.” Depression and self-loathing were a common theme in Fiona’s songwriting at the time. She told Interview magazine: “It’s psychologically and chemically impossible for me to be happy.” I’m not imputing this on your daughter. Just don’t let her impute it on herself. The world is an oyster. It doesn’t hurt for a father to tell his daughter to… Read more »

PalmaSailor
PalmaSailor
11 days ago

I still don’t believe that this is the real if I fell that hired a vintage Chevy for the day and took his son out for a blast

Rudd
10 days ago

Rollo, you are at your best when you dissect RP/ BP behaviour in real life, with real examples. Its how the theory, evidence is demonstrated and absorbed most effectivelly. Youve done such a great job in sharing the evidence, principles, its really good to see (and feel) how they apply in real life scenarios that men can relate to.

If-I-Fell
If-I-Fell
8 days ago

Thanks IRL, Sentient, SJF Sorry it took me so long to acknowledge, but I decided to perform two days of outdoor maintenance to the point where I was a physical wreck. Daughter is 25.5, but in terms of dating experience she might as well be 17. I wish she had the experience of having a high school steady, but that’s this generation’s thing. She did stop by for a short, social distancing driveway visit. She is still smarting–saying she didn’t understand how the guy could be saying he was tired of the relationship when he had put no effort into… Read more »

SJF
SJF
8 days ago

“I had to get back to my labors, but wife told her that you can’t change the other person in a relationship. They are who they are. Her long-long time best girlfriend is “panic-marrying” a guy she lives with. He is a super jealous, controlling, beta guy. This guy actually “controls” the amount of time best girlfriend and daughter spend together.” Sounds like your wife and you really are complementary to each other in parenting and she (your wife) sounds smart, feminine wiles, wise. Two good messages in two paragraphs there… But, problem is it sounds like your daughter is… Read more »

SJF
SJF
8 days ago

Oh geez, no spacing between paragraphs and no edit button…

SJF
SJF
8 days ago

And for the record, I’m not telling about myself to gloss myself. I don’t need to. I’m doing it to tell a story or a half story. To relate. That’s what guys do. I just put together a thought about what I’ve experienced before by guys telling hunting or farming or wildlife habitat stories or lecturing in a gas-lighting mode. In other words to put the other down, in order to build their self up. To try to create cognitive dissonance in the other. I went on this fishing trip/ I shot this bear and put the hide up on… Read more »

PalmaSailor
PalmaSailor
7 days ago

@ if i fell

I stand corrected. Gut feeling was that you were being sock puppeted.

If-I-Fell
If-I-Fell
7 days ago

I had a full day of work followed by another hour and a half of yard work. Thanks for the tip on Dave Gray. I’ll look into it; better yet, I’ll find some way to get the wife to look into it. She’s the one out of work at the present. We’re not without skills, but they can always be improved. I had to laugh when you mentioned your wedding date. After the fact, I asked my wife how she had picked our wedding date. She explained that she wanted it within the year, because she was afraid I would… Read more »

SJF
SJF
7 days ago

“I’m INTP (The Thinkers) she’s ISFJ (The Nurturers)” Holy shit. That explains a lot. Rolling around in the mud a lot. And I don’t mean that as a pejorative. Atypical for sure. “We’re not without skills, but they can always be improved.” Goes with the design. And explains you two. Best of Luck going forward. And thanks for the kind words about being celebratory. That hits the spot with our current relationship and having raised adult children and being on even keel. That is cool of you to mention that. I see you and your wife have a unique Myers-Briggs.… Read more »

SJF
SJF
7 days ago

Oh, and in regards to the Dave Gray Liminal Thinking, you don’t have to read the book. You can get the Cliff Notes here in regards to where your daughter is in life. Great fodder for an INTP, for sure…:

http://liminalthinking.com/

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http://liminalthinking.com/six-principles/

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http://liminalthinking.com/nine-practices/

Last edited 7 days ago by SJF
SJF
SJF
7 days ago

Here is an excerpt of the Dave Gray book which is actually short and sweet: Could actually be a lesson to the terse Indian that is trying to get cheat codes on the current Field Reports too. Relates to game too. But I would caution that you have to watch when others are telling you stories to watch out for narcissim, gaslighting and boring. I’ve seen that happen in male spaces, esp. with hunting spaces. Trying to self aggrandize and act as if value is with a boring story, but that is and aside from positive story telling And parental… Read more »

SJF
SJF
7 days ago

Ouch. The no paragraph formatting is fucked up Rollo.

kfg
kfg
6 days ago

@SJF:

That looks like an issue of hard coded formatting in the original text, not an issue with the site.

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