The Red Pill Path

The Red Pill, with respect to intersexual dynamics, is, and will always be a praxeology. It is unconcerned with value judgements. Issues of how one interprets the data presented by Red Pill praxeology as right or wrong is an exercise in subjectivity and personal belief. In essence the Red Pill should always be about what is – not what should be, not what seems moral, immoral or amoral. 

I knocked on about this in The Believers vs. The Empiricists back in July of 2019. The problem with adding ideology to the Red Pill is that it distorts the intent of staying as objective as possible. A Praxeology is the study of those aspects of human action that can be grasped a priori; in other words, it is concerned with the conceptual analysis and logical implications of preference, choice, means-end schemes, and so forth. In a praxeological context, the Red Pill is a ‘loose science’ concerned with the understanding of the underlying motivators of why we do what we do as men and women. It doesn’t get everything right, but it does ask the right questions. It’s these questions that make believers uncomfortable. The beauty of The Red Pill as a praxeology is that we get to write those questions and conclusions down in pencil, not ink, to be erased and edited as new information changes them. The Red Pill is not an ideology itself. Despite what many moralist critics would like to redefine it as, a Red Pill awareness is about an obligation to understanding the truth about men and women’s natures.

Yes, I know, it is impossible to be entirely objective in anything. In fact, just the thought required in asking a particular question implies a particular subjective bias. You wouldn’t be asking those kinds of questions if you didn’t subscribe to some belief-set that caused you to think about them in the first place. Even a commitment to objective truth is itself perceived as a value judgement. What’s worth your consideration is at least as important as why you think it’s worth considering. I get it. It still doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try to be as objective as humanly possible, in spite of the pre-knowledge that we have underlying reasons for being curious about something.

Objectivity vs. Ideology

There. Now that’s out of the way.

What one does with the data the Red Pill praxeology aggregates, and how one interprets that information, is up to the individual. The prescriptions we create for ourselves with this knowledge are almost always a value call. The real question for men, new to the Red Pill, is are they beginning from a position of value judgement first and then seeking to find the Red Pill data that best aligns with that preconception? Or are they beginning from a neutral, objective position of interpreting this information and then forming well-thought, rational prescriptions for themselves based on that objectivity?

How we make this information useful to us is just as important as how we came to the conclusion that it should be useful to us. After having written in this ‘sphere for almost 20 years now I’ve come to see how men will use Red Pill awareness to either better (save) serve their lives by changing their minds about themselves and implementing it, or else they use that awareness to validate their preconceived belief-sets. Usually they do this by cherrypicking the parts that align with those beliefs and discarding or disqualifying the data that conflicts with them. This is how you get the Purple Pill. Accept just enough empirical Red Pill data to validate a belief-set rooted in their Blue Pill conditioning. And it’s made all the better if you can profit from pandering to those Blue Pill beliefs in others by calling yourself a ‘coach’ of some kind.

PUAs, MGTOW, MRAs, Trad-Cons, Positivity and Success Porn advocates, Red Pill Ministry Pastors, Father-Figure Fitness Coaches, Masculinity Psychologists, Female “Relationship Experts”, and a plethora of other sub-factions that reside in the ‘sphere are all belief-set prescriptions. Their subjective prescriptions either follow in the wake of Red Pill praxeology, or they find their preconceptions validated – in some part – by the data and awareness that the Red Pill brings to them.

When the information that the Red Pill presents conflicts with these belief-prescriptions, that’s when we see believers attempt to redefine the Red Pill as an ideology. When a stark empirical truth challenges an ego-invested belief, most people feel attacked. That belief is often one that people have based their lives on, so challenging the belief is challenging the way that person has lived for a long time. In terms of the Red Pill, it’s much easier to redefine or reinterpret what that empirical data really should mean to a man. And whenever we see words like should or ought we know we’re dealing with a value judgement. 

The only way a believer can protect an ego-investment challenged by Red Pill awareness is to reduce the Red Pill to an ideology. Bring the enemy to battle on your own field and on your own terms. So long as the Red Pill is just about objective observations, connecting dots and collating data, the right or the wrong of it, the value judgement of what ought to be, is irrelevant to discerning the truth. But if you can convince yourself and others that the Red Pill is in fact an ideological pursuit – not an objective pursuit – then you choose the terms of terms of the battle. If the Red Pill can be redefined as a belief-set then you can lock horns with it with your own belief-set. Then the debate isn’t about what is, it becomes about what’s right or wrong, or what that data should mean, or how it should be put to proper use in a person’s life. Hypergamy becomes less about women’s nature, and more about how women are inherently predisposed to evil as a result of it. Alpha or Beta become defined by how well a man aligns with a preexisting belief-set – “You’re not a real man if you believe/don’t believe this!” – and the Soulmate Myth might become an article of faith that wins an ideological argument.

Redefine the premise of the Red Pill as an ideology and you can fight it as an ideology. But even if you could, the data the Red Pill presents still forces a lot of conflict in the believer. That leaves the believer to reconcile that data with the cognitive dissonance he/she feels about it. It is much more intrinsically satisfying to redefine, disqualify and then re-qualify information that confounds our beliefs than it is to go into outright denial of that conflicting data. Sometimes outright denial is all that’s left.

People resort to denial when recognizing that a truth would destroy something they hold dear; and there are few things we hold more dear than our investments in what we think are right and wrong with respect to how we solve our reproductive problem. In the case of a cheating partner, denial lets you avoid acknowledging evidence of your own humiliation. Short of catching a spouse in bed with your best friend, evidence of infidelity is usually ambiguous. It’s motivated skepticism. You’re more skeptical of things you don’t want to believe and demand a higher level of proof.

Denial is unconscious, or it wouldn’t work: if you know you’re closing your eyes to the truth, some part of you knows what the truth is and denial can’t perform its protective function. This is why we say, “Once you’ve seen the code in the Matrix, once you’ve taken the Red Pill, there’s no going back.”

One thing we all struggle to protect is a positive self-image. The more important the aspect of your self-image that’s challenged by the truth, the more likely you are to go into a state of denial. If you have a strong sense of self-worth and competence your self-image can take the hits but remain largely intact; if you’re beset by self-doubt (a hallmark of self-righteous Beta thinking), however, any acknowledgment of failure can be devastating and any admission of error painful to the point of being unthinkable. Self-justification and denial arise from the dissonance between believing you’re competent, and making a mistake, which clashes with that image.

Solution: Deny the mistake or redefine the terms of the debate.

By nature men are deductive problem solvers. This is manifest in many ways, but for a Beta male who still believes solving a woman’s problems will lead to him solving his reproductive problem, more often than not it leads him to a worse life. Once a man unplugs and begins to internalize what a deeper, more accurate understanding of intersexual dynamics means to his life he’s going to look for ways to apply it to his own circumstances. This is a natural, unavoidable progression. As I’ve stated in many an essay, I’m not in the business of making better men, I’m in the business of giving men the tools with which to build better lives for themselves. I expect men, at some stage, to use what they’ve learned from what I write to change their minds about themselves and become the better men they can be with a better awareness.

I do not offer prescriptions. I do not have a one-size-fits-all formula or 12 catch-all rules that will help you live a better life. Most men want that formula, and a lot of them will pay a small fortune to avoid the work necessary to effect a real change in their lives if some coach even hints that they have the cheat codes to do it. They are sheep in search of a shepherd. I have precious few expectations of my readers, but one is that I expect you take it upon yourselves to be the artists of your own lives. If it frustrates you that I won’t hold your hand and lead you to a better version of yourself just know that going through that frustration is necessary for you to be your own man. Not an adherent, not an acolyte, but the author of your own decisions. 

A lifetime of Blue Pill conditioning has already attempted to remove that control from you long enough.

Published by Rollo Tomassi

Author of The Rational Male and The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine

142 comments on “The Red Pill Path

  1. Rollo says this site is like a hot kitchen, that’s a fact, it is. But this essay is like a sauna.
    Break a sweat, readers, it’s good for you.

    @Rollo, your images at the header of essays have always been good, very good.

    But this one? Perfect

  2. The world of humans is missing a mental hygiene. A thousands and thousands of years. Physical hygiene is not enough to satisfy the life of man and woman.

  3. “@Rollo, your images at the header of essays have always been good, very good.

    But this one? Perfect”

    He took a picture of Plato and Aristotle and left out Plato. How’d that happen?

    https://classicalwisdom.com/philosophy/classical-wisdom-standoff-epistemology-of-plato-and-aristotle/

    “The disagreement that Plato and Aristotle had on the point of knowledge is very interesting, as it laid the foundation for two separate camps of epistemologists for centuries to come. On one side you have the rationalists who believe that our senses can be deceiving and that we should only rely on logic to arrive at truth. Prominent rationalists include Plato, René Descartes, and Immanuel Kant.

    On the other side you have the likes of Aristotle, John Locke, and George Berkeley who believe that all that we know is gained through experience. We should not deny our senses, we should trust them wholly. And the debate between rationalism and empiricism has been waging ever since…”

    If the shoe fits…take it down that path…

  4. Rollo,

    Ludwig Von Mises also describes economics as a Praxeological science. Have you ever studied or come across the Austrian school of economic thought? There are a striking number of parallels here.

    I was glad to see it mentioned specifically in Aaron Clarey’s work.

    Have you discussed Praxeology and it’s application in other studies beyond intergender Dynamics?

    Thanks for all you do! Your work is an inspiration and I greatly appreciate it.

    DC

  5. This song is about the ambition and dedication required to be a successful band. It also criticizes American preachers who swindle followers out of their money.

    https://youtu.be/z8rQ575DWD8

    Stealing hearts at a traveling show…

    Do it. Quick. Before you think.

    And no pejoratives here. Just pick a stance.

    Free flag/freak flag flow…

  6. How psycho-epistemologic of you Rollo. Bravo.

    A frame work for critical thinking for the individual to navigate the choppy waters of life and reality, to think in essentials and principles and not in concretes. Not a cult but an effective tool box for anyone that chooses.

    Rational thought is not a default, but a choice.

    This essay reminds me of Ayn Rand’s commencement speach given to West Point back in the day, (chapter 1).

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/Philosophy/pUQNrL79WrkC?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PT7&printsec=frontcover

    Philosophy : Who needs it? “You do”, Ayn Rand,
    Red Pill : Who need it? “You do”, Rollo Tomassi.

    “Man is the rational animal”. Aristotle

    peace

  7. I would rather be alone and rich than with Blue Pill friends and poor. At the end of the day, it’s me who climbs into my bed alone, mentally. Whether that be with a woman next to me, I know I am on my own.

  8. The red pill as a praxeology is the only way to make change in your own life. I have adopted the Iron Rules whole set but changes needed to made for my self, rules needed to be added. Location as a parameter added to rule 3, a ruthlessness added to rule 7 (a woman doesn’t leave quietly even if you are the so called “trash”).

    Your evaluations won’t stop, so don’t solidify the criteria.

  9. Another clear and concise bell ringer – thank you from Stanislaus County Rollo. Your sentence stating, “Deny the mistake or redefine the terms of the debate”… made me also think of Rich Cooper’s oft shared observation, “men are masters at complicating their own lives…” and essentially developing excuses to NOT DO THE WORK.

    Appreciate all your insights, as always.

  10. I never have a problem seeing the red pill as a praxeology. I was going through articles on reddit seduction when someone post a link to your best of year one. And of course I could relate with everything on it except for plate theory ( cos religion)

    Did I denied it, no! Instead I studied it several times but it only clicked when I’ve two women vying for my attention. But due to religious beliefs I don’t practice plating, but it did increased my understanding of why polygamy works.

    My biggest wake up call is when I realized that my religion don’t have a concept of dating nor courtship. The rules were set and strict.

    You can’t even be talking while engaged (i.e after meeting and chatting with her once) not to talk of fuqin or branch swinging.

    I came to the realization that my religion put up a high boundary/wall to protect but sexes, but it took me three decades to know this cos my religion like others before it is washing away.

    So must of the problem we face it either by misinterpreting it, misunderstanding it, going extreme, or ignorant of it, which sadly is the category most of us are.

    So why am I still here, simple, society is not following or practicing what they claim to believe in. So every one needs to understand the game, not necessarily play it but to understand the psychology behind it so that one will be a able to detect manipulation, deceit , lies and navigate accordingly.

  11. ” Whether that be with a woman next to me, I know I am on my own.”

    On your own, but not alone. You have a say in who you will be. You don’t need a woman for that. And you need to get to the point where you no longer need a mentor.

    You need a woman if you want children or merely sex.

  12. “I would rather be alone and rich than with Blue Pill friends and poor.”

    When you would rather be alone and poor than with Blue Pill friends and rich, you’ll know you’re starting to get it.

  13. Hi Rollo, it is going to be a long post I guess.

    I am going to be %100 honest before digging into my real subject. In the past, several times, I sent emails, wrote comments and asked questions in some TRP forums, websites like yours and when I explored your site, I read many of your articles which I found gold and finally I sent you an email, but again I checked and there was no reply or any reaction for you. At this point, I want to stress that maybe it is a beta mindset because when a coach, an author or a blogger like you doesn’t reply my post or send me an answer, I feel disappointed and I ask the same questions myself like am I not competent enough to express myself to get the admin’s attention and get my questions answered by citation? Are my text or my questions not interesting and worthy enough to be replied? or is it just because the admin is too busy to see my personal emails and answer it with pleasure? or maybe he even pissed off like ”don’t you know? I am not anybody’s personal life coach you idiot!” After this short reproach to all TRP community, now finally it is time to get to the point. I need some feedback on those.

    Number 1: I leave an impression on people around me that I am a serious man with no ‘sex intention’ in his mind. Sometimes, I am seen as a shy person mostly by females for no reason and I hesitate between demonstration to prove this idea wrong and indifference. When I start conversations with people around me including male friends, old school mates, neighbours, ladies etc. in their mind, they think like ohh this man wouldn’t even know how to kiss properly or I am sure this guy haven’t seen any naked woman in his life or he doesn’t have any idea what does porn mean anyway! I feel that and sometimes they tell me this directly, to my face! If I make some sexual jokes or references or even if I like a girl in bikini on social media, the reactions are like ohh dude, are you serious? we didn’t expect it from you. just wow! I will tell you a real short story. A female I know, she is not my friend, showed me a picture and she said ”tell me what is this?” for fun. I said it is a bowtie. She laughed and said this was the answer I’d expected from you, but wrong answer, it is a bra! And I’ve found my problem myself. I don’t have sexual vibe. I am lack of it, but I don’t want to prove people how ‘hot’ or ‘passionate’ I am. It would be pathetic. When I confront with these type of reactions, I say to myself, ”if you were my girl, you would see honey.” but in the end, their thoughts, beliefs or reactions are pointless, because they don’t know me, they don’t live with me, they have no idea about my personal life. Maybe, I am the greatest sex artist in bed who knows? always but always people are surprised like how can such a shy and introvert guy make such a ‘sexy’ move in public? because since childhood, I have been always SMOG I’ve just made it up. It means the serious male of the group. Serious is like my title, my nickname but it is trap, if you try to prove or demonstrate it, then by the society, you are labelled as ‘creep’ or a weirdo. I have already read your article in three parts called ”the creep” don’t worry.

    Number 2: it is even stranger than the previous case. I know two people; one male and one female. They have such a strong bond that even real sisters and brothers don’t have in the modern society. They protect each other, help each other, one cannot live without the other etc. but the interesting point in this relationship that catched my attention is that it is not a friendship you mentioned in your previous posts several times under the tag of LJBF or male female friendship. The male is single. The female is happily married with kids. The kicker is that there is not any kind of platonic or sexual love between them, because the lady always look for a good looking and nice mate having marriage material to have her best friend to marry her. so she is a matchmaker and she always says that I want to find the best mate possible for my dear brother. Should I remind you again that they are not brother and sister, they are just friends? I don’t write this story here to say that this is a rare but weird friendship. No, it is not weird. I know both of them. One is a happily married woman, the other one is a single beta student. I put this story because of two reasons which are even stranger than story itself. The first reason, it is an example which proves ”there cannot be any kind of real friendship between a boy and a girl” WRONG. Secondly, it is a confession, I envy them. I am envious because when I try to establish a close and deep friendly relationship with the opposite sex, they try to stay away from me, I see their fear like ohh this guy’s real intention is not to make friendship with me or share the daily routine with me or spend time just for fun, so I should be cautious and keep my distance. This is ridiculous, because I am neither a wolfman nor a weirdo. I am a 32 years old, good looking, healthy gentleman with a successful career. I think maybe it is because of my age. That student in my post is 23 years old and nobody expects any kind of sinister plan or a sexual attempt from him. Even the husband of his best friend likes him and allows him to be around of his wife. but me? ohh boy, all the husbands around me don’t like me and they are very jealous even when I approach their wives just to ask the time! Are you confused right? in the previous part, I told you girls just don’t see any kind of hot material in me, I am just a shy man with a red face for them, but in the second part, I told you that girls don’t want to make pure friendships with me, because they are afraid that I will bang them and for the married ones, their husbands become more frustrated when I am around because they see me a kind of threat for them 🙂 but that 23 years old beta boy makes strong friendships with girls so easily and the girls are welcome for him so comfortably. To make it more clear, I will give you a simple but thought provoking example. when this guy offers a lunch or a break to get some fresh air, girls just accept it without any hesitation, but when I do the same thing, they are like ”what is behind this proposition?” why does this guy want to go out with me to take some fresh air? why does he invite me to eat together, because he has a crush on me? When I do it, it is ‘crush’. when another one does it, it is an innocent time killer. See? I am that unique. No, I am just kidding but I am not someone who tries to get out of friendzone or LJBF nightmares. I am the one who crave for those friendships. I am not a monster, I am a handsome, healthy man, but the problem here is some people’s ohh, this man is still single if we consider his age, so he must be some kind of sex freak mindset. Yes, I am single and I find myself not lucky enough because I am lack of females who see my companionship totally ‘SAFE’ and becomes like my sister or my close friend to spend time with me and enjoy life from time to time. To me, it is GOLD. About having a girlfriend necessary or not, I don’t seem needy to you, but when somebody says, I don’t need any girlfriend, I don’t want any woman in my life, I am not afraid of dying alone, I am always enough for myself, also girls like it in that way etc. I sounds shit to me, because there is a fine line between being clingy or emotionally dependent and believing that men need love. Twist alert: or maybe when finally I have a LTR with some girl, it can be conditional and opportunistic based on hypergamy I don’t care, I won’t need other women or any kind of ‘female friendships’ anymore. Maybe, just my mind is playing a game with me.

    By the way, I don’t agree with some core principles of TRP. I know that I am not the only one in the world who is using the trp knowledge not to get laid like a pua. I am not a pua, I have never wanted to be. Even the indispensable pua principle of ”don’t chase women, let them chase you!” sounds empty for me, because if you don’t do anything with no effort, how would you expect women to come and be with you? You are not Cillian Murphy or Ryan Gosling. It is a 50/50 phenomenon I guess. A side note: sometimes, trp becomes complicated. It defends indifference and claims that persistence is wrong, but at the same time, it trains you to be ambitious and competitive to get what you want in life. For example, if you give up during the last minute resistance, you are such a .ussy, you must go on, if you like a girl, you must tell, if you want to date with someone, you must invite! so speak! take action! but on the other hand, don’t be so eager, stay calm, be cool, don’t chase etc. Huh? Actually, I internalize trp to learn the true nature of women and to establish better relationships with women in the long term. You always say trp must be out of religion and politics. I don’t want to discuss this with you or anybody, because everybody has their own ethics and belief system. If I date with a girl for six months without even having sex and then decide to marry her right after, the possible good or bad consequences of my decision are under my responsibility. it would be a joy or a disaster. If life has its own principles, if trp has principles, well I have some principles as well and I believe that a man with principles, whether right or wrong, is respected more than a man with no principles.

  14. @The Underground Psychologist

    Your ramble on reminds me of Notes From the Underground, the 1864 novella by Fyodor Dostoevsky:

    It presents itself as an excerpt from the rambling memoirs of a bitter, isolated, unnamed narrator (generally referred to by critics as the Underground Man), who is a retired civil servant living in St. Petersburg. The first part of the story is told in monologue form, or the underground man’s diary, and attacks emerging Western philosophy, especially Nikolay Chernyshevsky’s What Is to Be Done? The second part of the book is called “Apropos of the Wet Snow” and describes certain events that appear to be destroying and sometimes renewing the underground man, who acts as a first person, unreliable narrator and anti-hero.

    What is it that you actually would like to accomplish? Why are you here? You described some of your feelings. Describe you. And how can someone help you with what you want to do and where you want to go?

    Way to make a virtue of necessity:

    “(idiomatic) To make the best of a difficult situation; to recast or portray an action or situation in which one has no alternatives as an action or situation which was deliberately chosen on its merits.”

  15. Rollo: When I click on “read more” in the comments, a little black oval appears in upper right of screen, moving back and forth about an inch each way. And not any more of the comment becomes available. This happens on two different computers. Is this a glitch in your WordPress program?

  16. @Marko

    That’s a known bug. Click 3 or more times in rapid succession, “read more” should work.

  17. Still not sure what “Praxeology” means.

    But with the Red Pill from my own experience I can only compare my life, well-being and results as “Before” and “After” adopting a Red Pilled lifestyle.

    It’s true…I just don’t have a scientific study with hard data to prove “Alpha fux Beta bux”.

    It’s a mindset not a “Scientifically proven methodology”.

    Also, since I’ve adopted it there are things I’ve seen and experienced that can no longer be “unseen”. Every action, every reaction I now see through that prism of the Red Pill. It helps me make better choices and predict behaviours that lead to better outcomes…for ME.

  18. @PalmaSailor, thanks for your advice man! I can re organize it if you guys have trouble to read, no problem or maybe next time.

    @SJW I haven’t read that book yet despite I adore him. About my motivation, well, you shouldn’t be surprised by a male user who has opinions, some questions and seeks for advice or feedback in a TRP community? That was my first post in this blog. I read, read, read, ok that’s gold, but finally I decided to discuss things messing with my mind. It is like you see all Martin Scorsese movies so far, that’s great, but finally you want to talk with him. Discuss with him about cinema and his films. Actually, I follow Rollo. He is a helper which is rare. You know, sometimes he picks a comment or an email, analyse it and then writes a new article based on that one because he likes saving people and if you ask me, we are all here for that. To be saved!

    @MarkoRamius I’d had the same problem, but that advice below also worked for me.

  19. “I do not have a one-size-fits-all formula or 12 catch-all rules that will help you live a better life.”

    What’s that, Iron Rule of Tomassi number 38?

  20. @The Underground Psychologist

    You typed a long first comment about being perfectly happy not having sex with a girl. And that you are unique. And that people “don’t just get you” or your motivations. That is not normal. And you shouldn’t expect this community to think that is normal in relationship to inter-sexual dynamics that this blog discusses.

    That speaks to not being socially skilled at interacting with other people socially. And not a lot more.

    Social skills have to be developed. You don’t get an automatic right, at birth, to them.

    Answer this: how was your childhood growing up? And how did your parents treat you and your siblings? In a healthy fashion? Did you have a healthy normal up-bringing?

    And it’s not all about inter-sexual socialization. It is important that you interact with other men in your society too.

    Tell us: what are your five best and closest men friends like?

    And why do you put “Rises Again” in your avatar name? How many times were you at a low in your life. And what caused or generated that?

  21. @SJF my brother, I didn’t say I am perfectly happy coz I don’t have sex with girls. Sex is a gift and a joy in this life and I am very sure about that, but I don’t see sex as the key for everlasting happiness. You have sex, you enjoy and then you have post ejaculation syndrome and the end, that’s it. You should know this better than me brother, many pickup artists, gamers and bloggers, they sell sex. They give lecture about the red pill to help us how to get laid, how to have sex with multiple partners, how to seduce three girls at the same time blah blah blah.

    I don’t put sex on a pedestal and I believe that that’s my power. I am not a sex slave. I don’t crave for sex. My character fits for LTR, sharing values, passion, love, adventures of life etc. I know couples who travel around the world, enjoy life and romance! I know couples who live in a trailer, I know couples who record podcasts together for fun, I know couples who talk each other for hours about science, literature, movies, tv series, games etc. in their youtube channel and if this mindset makes me ‘girly’, I don’t give a shit man. If a girl (probably western right?) leaves me so that I don’t have sex with her in the first seven dates, I don’t give a damn! Ohh, this new generation is so horny, so if you are not horny as well, game over, you lose. Well, one more time I don’t give a damn. I am not a man who boasts about his ‘score’.

    I met a girl over internet. after a couple of weeks, she invited me to her hometown. I bought a ticket and travelled. I supposed that she was looking for a boyfriend just to hang around or maybe she liked me. She was making a short film at that time. I thought I could help her doing that. but after we ate some food, she directly told me she wanted to perform a lap dance on me in the dark. What? I disappointed with the girl. Guess what? I rejected her, took her to her flat, said good night, then went to the station, changed my ticket and went back to home immediately. The girl experienced one of the biggest shocks in her life. You can ridicule me, but that’s my power man! If I want to have sex, I find a call girl, pay her money and that’s it. I didn’t travel for 3 hours just to have sex with that girl. No, I spent my three hours to see whether she had girlfriend material or not. She had not. so NEXT!

    Yes, sometimes people just don’t get me or they get me wrong or they fail to grasp my motivations. You said I need to improve my social skills. What kind of? I said I am unique, because I don’t have any fear of rejection, I don’t have any approach anxiety, I am not introvert which means the problem lies behind. I definitely had a healty upbringing in a large family including the grandmother and the grandfather like The Grapes of Wrath 😛 Maybe only pecularity, my mother was more dominant than my father and she still is!

    And my avatar name doesn’t have anything to do with the content or my life bro, but I can answer that. It is a combination of The Dark Knight Rises and Rorschach Test which I find fascinating.

  22. @ The Underground Psychologist

    Are you a psychologist?

    Did you start to comment under this original post because it triggered you? What elements did you not like or agree with in the original essay above?

    Believe it or not my comments were not meant to disparaging or derisive.

    It’s clear that you want to aim toward a goal of a Long Term Relationship. The original post was about moving towards that goal–that– in a practical way. My purpose in commenting is to attempt to provide help and perspective in you reaching your goals. And to help in identifying where you might be not achieving your objectives.

    Obviously starting from scratch i.e., you don’t have a girlfriend now, and want a good one for a durable, long term enjoyable relationship is very difficult. And practically speaking you will have to meet, greet and get good at relationships short, intermediate term, and long term times with girls. It usually takes going through a number of ones to find the right one. And choose from the pick of the litter–that are available to you. That should always be a prime goal. You might have to even sleep with a girl on the first night in order to find one. I did 32 years ago and she turned out fine. I always liked her a lot over other girls. (Do you think I shouldn’t have slept with her on the first date, in retrospect? I don’t.) We raised two adult children that are great people. And I’m still together with her. And have shared values and lots and lots of great adventures.

    (BTW, I’m 59 years old and she is 55. And we have lots of regular sex and it is enjoyable. And it’s not valueless at the expense of the relationship. It is in addition to a long term decent relationship. And it’s not about longevity. It’s about quality of life. Both enjoyable things and difficult things.)

    So your ideological stance that you don’t want to have sex much early on in a relationship is quite a foreign concept. And in fact it is a feminine posture. It shouldn’t be held up as a virtue. Because it is not, intrinsically virtuous, nor a strength. I.e., it is not more valuable to have little sex, rather than regular enjoyable sex. Do you not like to have sex? Because it depletes you? Because of “la petite mort”?

    “My character fits for LTR, sharing values, passion, love, adventures of life etc.”

    Whether you are too ego invested to not realize that, that is a feminine mindset. It’s not masculine. There is nothing wrong with sharing values and adventures in life in a masculine/feminine polarity in a LTR. But for you to say you share “passion and love”? That is quite subjective and is definitely different from the masculine or feminine point of view.

    To tell a girl you meet in the first 9 to 18 months: “I want to have a LTR (no matter what), share values, passion, love and adventures is something that makes you akin to her girl friend.” Not a masculine/feminine polarity driven desire and attraction dynamic.

    There is nothing wrong with wanting shared values, passion, love and adventures. But the girl will be the judge of you in those virtues and values. By watching your Actions–what you do and how you behave. Not by what you say you want with her. You will have a burden of performance in impressing her. Not by explaining your potential to her in these things.

    Yes, sometimes people just don’t get me or they get me wrong or they fail to grasp my motivations. You said I need to improve my social skills. What kind of? I said I am unique, because I don’t have any fear of rejection, I don’t have any approach anxiety, I am not introvert which means the problem lies behind. I definitely had a healty upbringing in a large family including the grandmother and the grandfather like The Grapes of Wrath razz Maybe only pecularity, my mother was more dominant than my father and she still is!

    That is a very telling paragraph. Just because you have no fear of rejection, doesn’t mean you are socially adept or charming. Or that you can entertain lots of girls and choose among the best ones. Your first two comments shows that you are missing something attractive when it comes to socializing with men and women.

    It is a tell that your mother was more dominant of your father, than vice versa. Do you know what that is and how it affects you? And Grapes of Wrath wasn’t exactly a fun adventure. It may have been virtuous in a religious sense, but it wasn’t also a life to aspire to.

    You said you want a discussion. What do you want a discussion about? You haven’t really come out and said that. Yes, there are single guys, Pua guys, and plate spinning guys here. But there are also old married guys that have been in successful LTR’s. Including Rollo, et. al. Including monogamous by choice, not necessity, and those that aren’t by choice. If you want to have a discussion and fine common ground for self improvement, then let that flow. If you want argument for the sake of argument you aren’t going to give your goals their proper due. Your choice.

    Oh, and is English a second language for you? Keep in mind that the statements you have made are obtuse and a foreign concept to Rollo and his 20 years of talking about what he talks about. After talking to and among tens of thousands of men. And he resorts to triage, so to speak. And you didn’t really raise questions for him. You mostly made statements at him. And other commenters.

    You might want to ask: “How can I help myself and my goals”. Not: “How can I change the way other people think and get them to say something different than they are saying.”

  23. Got some time, sooooo let’s look at this:

    ” I didn’t say I am perfectly happy coz I don’t have sex with girls. Sex is a gift and a joy in this life and I am very sure about that, but I don’t see sex as the key for everlasting happiness. You have sex, you enjoy and then you have post ejaculation syndrome and the end, that’s it. You should know this better than me brother, many pickup artists, gamers and bloggers, they sell sex. They give lecture about the red pill to help us how to get laid, how to have sex with multiple partners, how to seduce three girls at the same time blah blah blah.”

    Sex can be about momentary pleasure and release. There is absolutely positively nothing wrong with that at all.

    Though I don’t think I’m really familiar with that whole ” post ejaculation ” thing unless you’re talking about the occasional nap, Gatorade ( replenishment ),or a huge sammich. Sure, some internet sites/blogs sell ” sex “, pretty much like Honda dealerships sell Hondas. But you’re mistaking ” red pill ” for helping us to get laid.

    Nah.

    Point me to one red pill ( actual red pill ) site with an article on how to seduce 3 girls at the same time, and I’ll show you a pua site masquerading as a red pill site. RP informs pua, but it’s not pua. Got it?

    I don’t put sex on a pedestal and I believe that that’s my power. I am not a sex slave. I don’t crave for sex

    A man shouldn’t put sex on a pedestal. But not having a ” craving ” of sorts for sex might require a trip to a doctor and some bloodwork.

    . My character fits for LTR, sharing values, passion, love, adventures of life etc. I know couples who travel around the world, enjoy life and romance! I know couples who live in a trailer, I know couples who record podcasts together for fun, I know couples who talk each other for hours about science, literature, movies, tv series, games etc. in their youtube channel and if this mindset makes me ‘girly’, I don’t give a shit man. If a girl (probably western right?) leaves me so that I don’t have sex with her in the first seven dates, I don’t give a damn! Ohh, this new generation is so horny, so if you are not horny as well, game over, you lose. Well, one more time I don’t give a damn. I am not a man who boasts about his ‘score’.

    Lol, all I read was blah blah blah blah….

    I met a girl over internet. after a couple of weeks, she invited me to her hometown. I bought a ticket and travelled. I supposed that she was looking for a boyfriend just to hang around or maybe she liked me. She was making a short film at that time. I thought I could help her doing that. but after we ate some food, she directly told me she wanted to perform a lap dance on me in the dark. What? I disappointed with the girl. Guess what? I rejected her, took her to her flat, said good night, then went to the station, changed my ticket and went back to home immediately. The girl experienced one of the biggest shocks in her life. You can ridicule me, but that’s my power man! If I want to have sex, I find a call girl, pay her money and that’s it. I didn’t travel for 3 hours just to have sex with that girl. No, I spent my three hours to see whether she had girlfriend material or not. She had not. so NEXT!

    Internet…ticket and travel….suppositions…. I get it.

    The last time a girl gave me a lapdance in the dark ( that wasn’t an actual stripper ), she got the D. She wasn’t girlfriend material, but she got the D anyway. If I didn’t give her the D, I’m not sure it would have been the shock of her life. She would have just gotten the D somewhere else. Girls have no problems in that arena. Rejection isn’t the same for women as it is for some men.

    Believe me, that girl was just fine, and she was the one that was on to the NEXT one.

    But good for you that you aren’t a sex slave.

  24. @SJF my brother, I didn’t say I am perfectly happy coz I don’t have sex with girls. Sex is a gift and a joy in this life and I am very sure about that, but I don’t see sex as the key for everlasting happiness. You have sex, you enjoy and then you have post ejaculation syndrome and the end, that’s it. You should know this better than me brother, many pickup artists, gamers and bloggers, they sell sex. They give lecture about the red pill to help us how to get laid, how to have sex with multiple partners, how to seduce three girls at the same time blah blah blah.

    You are trying to pawn off collective, fake news guilt, off as the problem, when your real problem is your own individual guilt of non-effective self strategy. It’s not a comment on the current pandemic, but a clearheaded, while perhaps intoxicated explanation of human behavior.

    I don’t know if you ever heard of an old blog called The Last Psychiatrist. He was a cynical, but realistic writer with rational logic. He spoke a lot about the lot of grandiosity and cloaked narcissism. And not the charming type of narcisissm… Which was a trickle of water drowning a lot of persons-like-yourself slowly and perniciously because a lack of awareness of your own attitudes. Outward looking for collective faults, as opposed to inward looking at one’s own deficiencies.

    Here was an essay he wrote, which is timely, yet not so relevant to the current crisis, but relevant to intellectual laziness:

    https://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2011/09/contagion.html

    Read the link, but here is the salient conclusion:

    The preference of collective guilt over individual guilt suggests a comforting narcissistic arrogance: if this global catastrophe is, after all, our fault, then it is also under our control. We can stop it. That’s why these disaster movies are very rarely about some catastrophe that isn’t our fault: that would be too raw depiction of our existential dread. We need the defense of collective guilt to explain inexplicable events and offer a path to immortality on earth (if we act a certain way all will be well). This is especially important for narcissists who, not able to feel individual guilt, lack a redemptive path towards immortality after earth. The belief of control over the earth is all they have left.

    It is the same narcissism that says, “we’re destroying nature,” which is a defense against being merely another part of nature. That it is a fact that we are destroying nature is secondary; the point is to believe it so that nature becomes a bit player in the movie of human exceptionalism. That it is a fact that nature is a bit player in the movie of human exceptionalism is secondary; the point is to believe it so that… and etc, until you individually have found meaning in the world.

    You might think that individual guilt would be infinitely more amenable to modification than collective guilt– if it’s “your” fault, all you have to change is you. But try telling Gwyneth she shouldn’t sleep with that guy, that it’s wrong. “It’s complicated,” she’ll tell you. Fixing “you”, including the sins– is nigh impossible, because those sins are you, the only way to stop doing them isn’t to stop doing them but to change who you are. “You just don’t understand the whole story” you’ll explain in ten million sentences that say nothing. The part that I don’t understand, of course, is how important it is to do do it to keep your identity intact. But I do understand. That’s why I wrote this.

    The trick to understanding disaster movies, and life, is to realize that the reason bad things happen is that we partly guilty and partly wronged, fully at the mercy of other people who use us and manipulate us; but that we still retain almost infinite power to alter reality and prevent bad things from happening. And the reason that that is the reason is that the alternative is there is no reason.

    If 2M people die, you can be 100% certain that someone will find CCTV footage of a hateable adulteress destroying a rainforest, and that she’ll get what’s coming to you.

    TL;DR: You pawn your own deficiencies of on collective guilt. Rather than change yourself to achieve your goals and be more indomitable.

    Good luck with that. Cast stones? Take care what culpability you have in your own lot, first, and before-hand. You can’t fool us.

  25. @Blax

    “Though I don’t think I’m really familiar with that whole ” post ejaculation ” thing unless you’re talking about the occasional nap, Gatorade ( replenishment ),or a huge sammich. Sure, some internet sites/blogs sell ” sex “, pretty much like Honda dealerships sell Hondas. But you’re mistaking ” red pill ” for helping us to get laid.”

    The hardest thing that was integrated my up-and-coming (being better) was when my buddies had to teach me well—that: It’s not about sex. And they did. They are were, and are, great guys. And at first I didn’t believe them at all. And I trusted them. And they were correct. And they were right. And as opposed to The Underground Psychiatrist, who confuses himself with fake virtue, they had lots of sex. And so did I. And then everything was much better in my life. Including the sex. Go figure.

    And I love my 2008 Honda Ridgeline. Because he/she, neuter general, just a truck, is perfect. With 17000 miles. Long may she run. It runs like the day I bought it. Analogous to other good things. It’s not like it takes energy away from living life. It facilitates getting around. The Underground Man/Psychiatrist should ‘just get’ the analogy. The Ridgeline is complementary to my life-style. I hope to haul a trash-picked pentagon pick-nick table table out to my farm back yard frontage for exercise this week. As well as transfer the two stage snow blower. And bring back the pressure washer stored inside the hunting cabin. And haul some cheap diesel fuel to top of the John Deer 5420 this week. And I should probably run one of my five chain saws.

    I wasn’t all too happy when this tree fell down. On my watch. In a simple May storm 11 years ago. A majestic flawed brother/sister bur oak, as it was just sitting there for a decade or less.

    https://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y220/Derm95/buroakbeforebeingblowndown.jpg

    https://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y220/Derm95/DSC_0042-1.jpg

    But shit happens.

    https://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y220/Derm95/DSC_0047-1.jpg

  26. “Believe me, that girl was just fine, and she was the one that was on to the NEXT one.”

    Yep. Hurry up! Hurry up, and get better. Everybody loves you until they don’t. So don’t let them down.

    Playing on the radio just now:

    New Kid In Town

    by The Eagles

    There’s talk on the street; it sounds so familiar.
    Great expectations, everybody’s watching you.
    People you meet, they all seem to know you.
    Even your old friends treat you like you’re something new.
    Johnny come lately, the new kid in town.
    Everybody loves you, so don’t let them down.

    You look in her eyes; the music begins to play.
    Hopeless romantics, here we go again.
    But after a while you’re looking the other way.
    It’s those restless hearts that never mend.
    Johnny come lately, the new kid in town.
    Will she still love you when you’re not around?

    There’s so many things you should have told her,
    But night after night you’re willing to hold her, just hold her.
    Tears on your shoulder.

    There’s talk on the street; it’s there to remind you
    It doesn’t really matter which side you’re on.
    You’re walking away and they’re talking behind you.
    They will never forget you till somebody new comes along.
    Where you been lately? There’s a new kid in town.
    Everybody loves him, don’t they?
    And he’s holding her, and you’re still around. Oh, my, my.
    There’s a new kid in town, just another new kid in town.
    Ooh, hoo. Everybody’s talking ’bout the new kid in town.
    Ooh, hoo. Everybody’s walking like the new kid in town.

    There’s a new kid in town. I don’t want to hear it.
    There’s a new kid in town. I don’t want to hear it.
    There’s a new kid in town. There’s a new kid in town.
    There’s a new kid in town. Everybody’s talking
    There’s a new kid in town. People started walking
    There’s a new kid in town.
    There’s a new kid in town.

    Writers: Don Henley, John Souther, Glenn Frey

    Snap. I took this pic too:

    https://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y220/Derm95/DSC_0060-1.jpg

  27. And next up:

    Hey, expecting a rainbow/girlfriend/expecting to fly?. Neil Young’s Expecting to Fly? What could fucking go wrong?

    Expecting to Fly
    Buffalo Springfield

    There you stood on the edge of your feather
    Expecting to fly
    While I laughed, I wondered whether
    I could wave goodbye
    Knowin’ that you’d gone
    By the summer it was healing
    We had said goodbye
    All the years we’d spent with feeling
    Ended with a cry
    Babe, ended with a cry
    Babe, ended with a cry
    I tried so hard to stand
    As I stumbled and fell to the ground
    So hard to laugh as I fumbled
    And reached for the love I found
    Knowin’ it was gone
    If I never lived without you
    Now you know I’d die
    If I never said I loved you
    Now you know I’d try
    Babe, now you know I’d try
    Babe, now you know I’d try
    Babe

    The possibilities are endless.

    To fly or dive.

    So much for excuses…

    Don’t stumble to the ground.

    And then, lover, not a fighter:

    Layla
    Eric Clapton

    What’ll you do when you get lonely
    And nobody’s waiting by your side?
    You’ve been running and hiding much too long
    You know it’s just your foolish pride
    Layla, you’ve got me on my knees
    Layla, I’m begging, darling please
    Layla, darling won’t you ease my worried mind
    I tried to give you consolation
    When your old man had let you down
    Like a fool, I fell in love with you
    You turned my whole world upside down
    Layla, you’ve got me on my knees
    Layla, I’m begging, darling please
    Layla, darling won’t you ease my worried mind
    Make the best of the situation
    Before I finally go insane
    Please don’t say we’ll never find a way
    And tell me all my love’s in vain
    Layla, you’ve got me on my knees
    Layla, I’m begging, darling please
    Layla, darling won’t you ease my worried mind
    Layla, you’ve got me on my knees
    Layla, I’m begging, darling please

    Songwriters: Eric Patrick Clapton / Jim Gordon

    That plaintive-ness doesn’t end Rising Psychiatrist until you come into your own. And make your own. It’s endless. Treat it as such.

    You can go on forever, reaching. Until you get some sense. Or just keep complaining. Seems to me you don’t want to talk about it…just turn your pretty head and walk away…


  28. kfg
    @:

    Perhaps after we have achieved equality in child birth.”

    Perhaps you’re being glib, yet at base this is an obtuse statement.

    Modern western woman are not educated in any consistent way on how to be good mothers, and are fortunate they have basic instinctual programming intact that serves a child well through the age of 2, if that.

    I have shared custody, and my son is saved by it, every moment he’s with me.

    His mother and I split because she didn’t know how to raise a child w/o consistently taking advice from dangerous, blue-pilled idiots.

  29. “Perhaps you’re being glib . . .”

    Certainly, but not without a point.

    “I have shared custody, and my son is saved by it, every moment he’s with me.”

    So wouldn’t it be better if you had 100% possession? Men’s rights are not equal rights, because men are not women. “Equal rights” between non-equals is injustice.

  30. @kfg “I have shared custody, and my son is saved by it, every moment he’s with me.”

    So wouldn’t it be better if you had 100% possession? Men’s rights are not equal rights, because men are not women. “Equal rights” between non-equals is injustice.“

    Maybe you can explain yourself better.

    Glib (witty yet lacking substance/weight) and obtuse (blunt, imprecise)

    “Possession.” A strange word choice, likely born out of family law trials.Yes, though, I should be making most decisions, with input from those who are worth listening to (including his mother, in certain areas). Is that 100% “possession” to you?

    Why did you respond to his 50/50 child custody with something about birth? Think you agree, birthing and raising are too different things. That was my point.

    All situations are different, yet, yes, healthy mothers and fathers have different roles to play. In regards to child-rearing rights, the issue is overcoming the de-facto court preference of the mother. You know this.

    Yes, most sons would be much better off with a present, skilled, grown adult father (his world, his culture, his friends, his choices) than any mother. However, many fathers are not worthy of the title. Case by case.

    The point is, rights should not be skewed to the mother automatically. Im guessing MRAs have the 50/50 thing because they are playing that equalism game. This is clearly not what I’m saying.

    In my view, most sons should be gradually leaving the feminine realms and entering masculine realms between the ages of 6 or 7. By 9 they should be out. This matches a lot with what’s known as the 9 yr. change (for both boys and girls)

    Sons need significant healthy male energy before puberty to be prepared and equipped to navigate their world beyond their parents, which is exactly what they’re supposed to do post-puberty. Peer group and other mentors beyond their nuclear family.

    Daughters need this same energy too, to recognize what it looks and feels like, to make the right decisions in regards to interactions with the masculine.

  31. “Will be an interesting look back.”

    Exactly.

    The article contains nothing but “maybe” and “could,” because “we don’t know.” Since we don’t know, any response is some type of guess. A universal, monolithic response is most likely to end with a negative outcome, because it is most likely to be the wrong guess, but any look back will be entirely uninteresting, so when it happens again we’ll start off no better than we are now.

    When you don’t know, the way you find out is to try different approaches and see how the outcomes compare to each other. It is the comparison that creates interest; and knowledge.

    And at best we won’t find the “right” response, only the most optimal based on the current state of knowledge.

    To complicate matters, the optimal response in the long term may not be the lowest mortality rate in the short term.

  32. “Glib (witty yet lacking substance/weight) and obtuse (blunt, imprecise)”

    As was the comment to which I responded, although I might not have been so glib had it not also been rhetorically malicious. I gave it more respect than it deserved, for although I might have been blunt and imprecise, I did not lack substance.

    “Loretta has a right to have a baby . . . in principle.”

    Do you not get the joke?

    ““Possession.” A strange word choice . . .”

    No, it is not. It was very carefully considered and selected for maximum precision. It’s strangeness to you is a result of your not understanding it.

    ” . . . likely born out of family law trials.”

    No, out of the entire history of law, including “natural law” predating trial law. Law that even a juvenile cockroach has some understanding of if you are trying to take a chocolate chip cookie crumb away from it.

    “Why did you respond to his 50/50 child custody with something about birth?”

    Because birthing and raising are two different and unequal things between the sexes. Fathers are not mothers.

    “In regards to child-rearing rights, the issue is overcoming the de-facto court preference of the mother. You know this.”

    Certainly, and the point. Under patriarchy, which held some sway until the early 1800s, men had defacto ownership of their children, to counterbalance the inherent advantage women have in giving birth to them.

    When men and women have equal rights in giving birth to children, they can have equal rights in raising them.

    “Im guessing MRAs have the 50/50 thing because they are playing that equalism game.”

    Exactly. And women aren’t, they’re playing to win. MRAs give up half the field before the game even begins and refuse to take any of it back in play. They do not, as a movement advocate for men. They advocate for egalitarianism.

    Which is a component to the original comment being rhetorically malicious. He knows perfectly well that “Red Pillers” are not MRAs and that Red Pill is not egalitarian.

    “In my view, most sons should be gradually leaving the feminine realms and entering masculine realms between the ages of 6 or 7.”

    I am on record putting it at 5, as did the original court ruling removing default possession of children by men and giving it to women until the child was 5, at which time default possession reverted to the father. Referred to as The Tender Years Doctrine.

    But then the slippery slope was entered.

    I have a question of my own: Who determined the custody of your child?

  33. That question is striking.

    I determined ” custody ” at the moment of successful fertilization of the egg.😁

    But hey, I’m a walking anachronism.

    One difference between me and that juvenile cockroach is that I’m heavily armed.

  34. Unless you removed the egg you did not have possession and possession implies custody.

    Own, possess, custody. We have these three words because they mean three different things.

  35. Michael Mehalko
    As an MRA could we all join in supporting Presumed Equality in Child Custody, aka 50/50.

    This isn’t an MRA site. There are men here who support that idea, and those who disagree. Everyone makes their own decision. I support those people who have worked long and hard to roll back a tiny corner of the default “mother custody” blob. It is a valuable corner, as friends of mine can attest, but it is still a tiny corner.

    You do bring up a bigger point: the US doesn’t have a marriage culture, but rather a child-support culture, and that has a whole lot of implications. With the default as “child support” rather than “family” a man considering marriage needs to know more things today than even 25 years ago.

    Rollo provides observations and tools – a praxaeology to avoid ever getting to the “who gets custody?” stage in the first place.

  36. Different take on Sweden. Note the different death numbers between Sweden, Finland and Denmark. FWIW Iceland has a different situation but they have a younger population, too.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/swedish-virus-deaths-top-1000-fueling-criticism-over-strategy/ar-BB12C1xU

    Best part about Finland’s response so far: they blocked all the roads into / out of Helsinki early on with construction equipment. Dumped piles of dirt. I salute that response.

    Michigan is planning to have a civil march on the capitol of Lansing – mass driving. Create gridlock. Because their gov has gone pretty far overboard in issuing orders.

    Different areas, different responses. NYC is not Rochester, Detroit is not Interlochen.

  37. And Long Lake is not Rochester either. The whole of the county is in the Adirondack Park, has a population of under 5k and currently sitting at 3 confirmed cases and no deaths, but is under the same governor’s orders as New Rochelle.

  38. “Unless you removed the egg you did not have possession and possession implies custody.”

    I removed the egg ( with assistance ) after 9 months, cut the cord and took possession.

  39. @SJF, hi there, well you drew up a couple of comments for me, so fasten your seatbell, it is going to be an uphill ride man! Don’t attribute too much meaning to my temporal nickname here. Before that, I had been planning to select ”The Sword of Damocles”, it is a phrase I love, but I am not Damocles 🙂 After that, I decided to put A Shot in The Dark, it was because I am a Pink Panther fan. I am not a psychologist or something. Don’t take my nickname too seriously, it is just for fun. The Last Man on the Earth would be cool by the way. What is the meaning of your nickname anyway? Social Justice Fucker? as somebody against SJWs?

    “Did you start to comment under this original post because it triggered you?”

    Yes, it did. I thought it was better to write my thoughts under this article than the former ones like the body language video or The Future Shock essay about the pandemic. What does this matter for you anyway?

    “My purpose in commenting is to attempt to provide help and perspective in you reaching your goals. And to help in identifying where you might be not achieving your objectives.”

    Thank you very much if this is your intent. You are welcome.

    “Do you not like to have sex? Because it depletes you? Because of “la petite mort”?”

    Now, we are in deep territories. The reason that I didn’t tell you why I remain distant from sex doesn’t depend on the reasons you mentioned in your post, neither it is because I am impotent, nor because I have some ‘pussy-phobia’. It is because I am a relatively conservative man and I didn’t want anybody to think about me like ohh another stupid believer or another typical ‘blue pilled conservative’.

    Rollo always says ‘the future is female’ and now I say promiscuity is female. I believe that adultery is somehow supported by feminine imperative. That’s why popular social media or photo sharing platforms are an alternative source of porn now. or imagine those ‘horny’ music clips clicked 1003930493 times that real porn sites look like disneyland. Yes, all we know, sex sells, that’s a different story, but from a red pill perspective, what I am discussing is that women are seducers and men are the seduced. We are deviated. Now, probably you will ask are you a priest? No man, I am not and also I am not a zealot 🙂 Never! It is not me, but clearly I don’t have sex with girls, because I am against single adultery.

    I will tell you a short story about that. We were talking with a friend. I said there was a married middle aged woman (I was 32 and she was 41) who had a crush on me. she wanted to have sex with me when she was alone. My friend immediately said that’s great, do it. I said No. he asked why not? I said she is married man, married! you know what I mean? he said well, that’s not your business, because you are the male, not the female.

    One of the problems I have with some basic trp principles is that if you are even mildly conservative or a believer who has some morals or principles, automatically it makes you a loser, a nice guy or a blue pill man in the matrix. it is like otherwise, you don’t ‘deserve’ to take the red pill or to be with women in your way and happily live after. You do the same mistake: labelling everything against the essential red pill truths as feminine posture.

    I want a monogamous relationship. The two most important elements in a relationship for me are fidelity and respect. When you complete each other, Rollo calls it complementarity, it also means you share the same values. You understand each other, your communication is well, your bond is strong. You experience life in a similar way. These are the criteria I have for a healthy relationship. If a girl doesn’t have these, she doesn’t mean anything for me. Mentally, emotionally or rationally. Sex without emotion is a need like eating when you are hungry for survival, but sex with love is another level. That’s why, as a male, my words are passion, value, love, communication, good care etc.

    According to you and most of the guys who swallowed the red pill, men’s first priority must be sex. If you choose something else as your first priority, then game over man. This mindset is flawed for me. Yes, I want a long term relationship and if everything is fine, if we love each other enough, if her family is trustworthy and decent, then I will marry her. She should be smart, she should cook well, she should be diligent in the house, a good mother etc. This is what I want as a life goal, not one night stands or hanging around with crazy bitches or party girls in clubs.

    I can marry a woman who is passionate about sex and ready to please her husband. a woman who loves and respects me, shares values with me, enjoy the life together with me, have fun with me, but all these expectations are wrong for you, because you think it is all feminine while I believe all are masculine as a man’s demands. I adore female body. I am a fantasy man. My zodiac sign is taurus. Definitely, I will have an active sex life with my wife. Give me a beautiful, attractive girl, as possibly as I can get, with a nice soul, having faith and being loyal to me, I can reject the rest of the world, because what I want is to have the best option as my mate instead of having sex with no strings attached. For me, to enjoy the sex act, I must feel something about that person. Also, when our girl leaves me next morning after we share our most intimate moments each other, I know myself, I become devastated, not because I am needy or clingy, it is because men are the real romantics. Thanks Rollo to say that.

    I know what genuine desire means from Rollo’s posts, I see plenty examples around me. maybe it will sound too naive or even stupid for you but after their meeting, the woman says I am ok with this guy, I like him so much, I want to be with him, so I will accept his marriage proposal and say Yes. It is because the woman’s intention is to find someone ‘suitable’ and marry him and the man’s intention is the same as woman’s. I will tell you, it is no secret, most of them I know are school teachers, some of them are civil servants and some of them are police officers. They are from conservative families. They want to marry and here the groom comes! so there is no clash of expectations between them.

    “But the girl will be the judge of you in those virtues and values. By watching your Actions–what you do and how you behave. Not by what you say you want with her. You will have a burden of performance in impressing her. Not by explaining your potential to her in these things.”

    This is a good advice though. Thanks, but again if you mean the only, but the only way for you to improve your skills with girls and have a girlfriend is to make sex your first priority and focus on sex rather or only, I have no chance.

    “Your first two comments shows that you are missing something attractive when it comes to socializing with men and women.”

    It is more like when I try to be attractive, it becomes odd or felt by people in that way. I had my answer for that: to improve the social skills essential for good communication.

    “And Grapes of Wrath wasn’t exactly a fun adventure. It may have been virtuous in a religious sense, but it wasn’t also a life to aspire to.”

    Well, again like my nickname, you understood my metaphor in a wrong way. By saying my family was like The Grapes of Wrath during my childhood, I didn’t mean we were wretched and suffered in the roads for a piece of bread. I have a large, traditional and religious, not very, family, that’s it.

    “If you want to have a discussion and fine common ground for self improvement, then let that flow.”

    Yes, I do, but I can end this conversation any time you want. No problem.

    “and is English a second language for you? Keep in mind that the statements you have made are obtuse and a foreign concept to Rollo and his 20 years of talking about what he talks about.

    Yes, it is and the second favour this website has done for me is that it helped me to improve my English skills as well. I learnt some new words here which I hadn’t even heard before, despite I have read hundreds of English books and articles so far. I am particularly interested in literature, art, botany and health. For example words such as kvetch, sham, tutelage, haughty, hamstrung, acumen, sycophant, demystify, putrefaction or panacea are the words I had never coincided before reading the articles by Rollo.

    “And you didn’t really raise questions for him. You mostly made statements at him. You might want to ask: “How can I help myself and my goals”.

    Well, that’s boring. Then I would feel myself like a high school student asking his teacher, hi sir, how can I improve my math skills to get higher marks from you? I don’t want to ask direct questions to anybody. This has never been my motivation from the beginning. You don’t need a proper question to discuss about something or give feedback about it. Maybe, what I am doing is to raise a question rather than asking or what I do is to point out something maybe. To explain why you agree or disagree with me is your choice.

    “Which was a trickle of water drowning a lot of persons-like-yourself slowly and perniciously because a lack of awareness of your own attitudes. Outward looking for collective faults, as opposed to inward looking at one’s own deficiencies.”

    That was an unfair statement and a bitter judgment. I don’t remember I blamed the society for my own faults. If you think premarital sex is a pleasure and ‘manly’ it is your opinion man. Finally, you said you are not unique or have power. Well, resist is power. Good luck.

  40. By definition alone a single person can’t commit adultery. If you look up ther definition of adulter or adulteress, both are a married person who has sex with someone out side of their marriage. There are no single adulter. There are only single fornicators.

  41. from a red pill perspective, what I am discussing is that women are seducers and men are the seduced.

    Madonna-whore Blue Pill frustrated chump alert.

    You don’t have a clue what the “red pill perspective” is, and you should buy and read Rollo’s first book cover to cover for your own good.

  42. I want a monogamous relationship. The two most important elements in a relationship for me are fidelity and respect

    Very reasonable. However you must understand that your idea of “respect” may not be the same as a woman’s idea of “respect”. Because women are not men-with-boobs, they are profoundly different from us. You may be putting women on a pedestal, too.

  43. “Ugh damn my brain hurts.”

    Shit, mine too. I have no reply to that.

    “The curse of the intelligent man is that he can rationalize anything.” –Rian Stone

    Hey, Palma, yes that picture of a squirrel was crudely photo shopped. I’m not sure why I did that. I think I’ve only photo shopped about a handful of pictures in my life out of tens of thousands of photos I’ve taken over the decades.

    I think that photo was representative of what our amateur underground rising psychologist is doing with his focus on finding his one true love. He’s so narrow focused and tunnel-visioned with such short plane of focus as to be dangerous to his long game. Life doesn’t work that way. It takes a wider view.

    And I had a pre-photo shop setting on my Nikon D-200, D-300 cameras that was a Vivid Mode. It would spike the color hues and sharpen the digital image while the picture was taken. It only was useful when the normal native colors were muted, and then it would pop them. It worked wonders, a mini computer in the camera.

    If it was used when colors were intense, it would turn out too candy-colored and fake. I used it on that picture of the Sandhill Cranes up stream with no photo shop afterwards. That picture was taken with a really sharp 80-200 focal length lens at F4. And at three frames per second. The bird stretched for a half second and the pictures 1/3 second before and after the frame was taken were nothing remarkable.

  44. Palma

    I used to use a online web based hosting site called Photobucket. In the old days. I had like 1.4K photos posted there. I used to use it for posting on a sportsman’s forum for posting and discussing farm/wildlife/whitetail deer habitat stuff.

    It was designed to have a host link and show up in forums.

    A couple years ago they had some fucked up policy to hold your ability to host and access pictures unless you upgraded to their $400 a year price to keep using their hosting ability. And they lost 96% of their customers. This past year they had a mea culpa and went back to a price of about $5 a month special and probably about $7- $9 per month rate.

    So currently they have a “direct” link. And I just choose that to copy and paste the direct link here. I’m not sure it can’t doxx me. I think I put most of my privacy access to private. Let me know if you know otherwise.

    And I’m not sure there aren’t more services like this besides IMGUR.

    I’ve always been invested in photography up until 13 years ago. I used to do darkroom black and white prints in the 70’s through the 90’s. And always knew my way around photography principles via SLR cameras. I spent a while back in 2007 trying to make cool photos for sport, but quit when I bought my farm and put my leisure pursuits like kayaking, mountain biking and firearms shooting on the back burner because I went into active work mode instead of passive leisure mode.

    I don’t know what you mean by the “upload to FX”. The term FX?

    Back around 2006 or so my son was 13-14 y.o. and Nikon digital was in full swing. And worked fantastically. With $800 lenses that were fast and sharp for sports couple with the good cameras.

    All the sudden 21 out of 24 pictures would turn out great compared to the Nikon F black and white pictures in the 70’s and printed in the darkroom would have like 2-4 good pictures out of 24. We used to “roll our own” cartridges off of 100 foot rolls of Tri-X 400 speed black and white film and just do the spray and pray technique of experimenting with manual settings of either F-stop or Shutter Speed. With the meter choosing the complement to that setting.

  45. Nice D2 Palma

    It used to be glorious, for sure, for photography back in 2006. Those were fine cameras.

    My D200 was almost as good as the D2, with only minor differences. It was semi-pro vs. pro.

    The D2 was about $4k and the D200 was about $1.4k. Coupled with a variable focal length $800 lens.

    I remember the D200 only taking three frames per second.

    I had a farming accident where I accidentally had my camera bag fall off the back of my farm tractor as I popped the clutch while flail mowing a field of Yellow Rocket weeds in Spring. My camera bag and lenses was accidentally ground up by my flail mower. And insurance replaced it with a D300 and one replacement lens.
    The D300 definitely took five frames per second when needed. Mostly for sports or action.

    https://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y220/Derm95/Vetch%20in%20Rye/DSC_2556.jpg

    https://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y220/Derm95/Vetch%20in%20Rye/DSC_2568.jpg

  46. Here is a boring, meh picture:

    https://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y220/Derm95/DSC_0751-1.jpg

    If just cropped a bit, one can utilize a “rule of thirds” composition to take it out of just a mere portrait mode:

    https://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y220/Derm95/DSC_0751.jpg

    And here is a picture that represents the social posture of the underground uprising psychologist that I snapped while kayaking down a river. So very indifferent to rejection, waiting indifferently for his lifelong soul-mate to show up for his LTR. So not arousing and attractive. But resolute as all hell:

    https://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y220/Derm95/DSC_4763.jpg

  47. if men are the seducers and women are the seduced, then men become feminine and women become masculine.
    I am sorry but the objection you raised to this idea is ridiculous. You are the boss so you seduce women right like you are James Bond. well done gentlemen, keep it up! Another life lesson from your brother then: women are to persuade, men are to be persuaded, so women lie, men listen. is it cool?

    “There are no single adulter. There are only single fornicators.” Thanks for the English lesson.

    And I always think that people try to keep religion out of trp world, because they don’t have clear answers for it, also they are afraid of facing with religion itself, because religion means responsibility, responsibility means burden and in this new digital age, what people do is to fuck each other. The reason you have shifted from ”ok we are ready to listen to you and help you brother” mood to ”let’s ridicule this man and make fun of his silly comments is religion. I think it is one of the forbidden words in trp community. I shouldn’t have used it or opened that subject. Good deed and sin, reward and punishment, heaven and hell, good and evil, coincidence and destiny, moral and amoral, right and wrong, if I have faith and make my decisions based on that faith, there is no point to ridicule me.

    If I choose a path to go based on my faith, you cannot label me as beta. Then, you mean all the believers are beta and all the sinners are alpha. Well, interesting thought, open to discuss, but I think there is no point to discuss this, because you won’t change your complete belief system based on my advice and I will do the same thing as well.

    “You don’t have a clue what the “red pill perspective” is, and you should buy and read Rollo’s first book cover to cover for your own good.”

    I cannot be humble about my trp knowledge. How did you know I didn’t read Rollo’s books before or how can you so sure that I am a beginner or newbie about trp community? do you have any idea how many books or articles I have read from Rollo to Dalrock, from chase amante to Roosh? No, you don’t.

    “Blue Pill frustrated chump” Based on my one sentence or a few posts, how could you get an idea of that? It must be enjoyable to mark people with miscellaneous labels, but a man cannot be something so easily. This is easy judgment. Ohh you are an alpha, beta, nice guy, AFC, this and that. If you think a human being never makes mistake, then sorry but you have a silly mindset. one day, I decide and help my wife to wash the dishes. ohh you are mr. mom! one day, I cannot control myself and cry in front of my girlfriend, ohh you are definitely AFC, one day, I fight and beat a hulky man, ohh great you must be an alpha blah blah. don’t do that. life is not that easy.

    Two movies for recommendation: “Every Man for Himself and God Against All” (1974) and The Wrath of God” (1972)

  48. “The reason you have shifted from ”ok we are ready to listen to you and help you brother” mood to ”let’s ridicule this man and make fun of his silly comments is religion.”

    Many people who write here, including Rollo himself, have some sort of religious beliefs or follow a full system of religion.

    Religion is not your problem. A personality disorder is your problem. Yes, it is pronounced enough that we could tell that from your very first comment.

    This can be a pretty “hot kitchen,” don’t be put off. Stick around. Nobody is actually trying to drive you away.The reason people went from ”ok we are ready to listen to you and help you brother” to “”let’s ridicule this man” is because you are a hard case and stronger tools are going to be necessary to break the shell in order to help.

  49. This can be a pretty “hot kitchen,” don’t be put off. Stick around. Nobody is actually trying to drive you away.The reason people went from ”ok we are ready to listen to you and help you brother” to “”let’s ridicule this man” is because you are a hard case and stronger tools are going to be necessary to break the shell in order to help.

    Yup. Things like roasting, busting chops and shit testing play an important role in male spaces. Do you “just get it”?

    https://pics.me.me/girls-vs-guys-bye-bye-sweety-honey-bye-girls-that-5024542.png

  50. I was watching cooking videos on YouTube and Tommy Shaw from the Band Styx was performing Fooling Yourself (The Angry Man) live with the Cleveland-based Contemporary Youth Orchestra.

    The song is apt for this comment discussion.

    Lotsa strings and a few wind instruments there. Relax…, take it easy..:

    https://youtu.be/xpYHgbjOIq0

    You see the world through your cynical eyes
    You’re a troubled young man I can tell
    You’ve got it all in the palm of your hand
    But your hand’s wet with sweat and your head needs a rest

    And you’re fooling yourself if you don’t believe it
    You’re kidding yourself if you don’t believe it
    Why must you be such an angry young man
    When your future looks quite bright to me
    How can there be such a sinister plan
    That could hide such a lamb, such a caring young man

    You’re fooling yourself if you don’t believe it
    You’re kidding yourself if you don’t believe it
    Get up, get back on your feet
    You’re the one they can’t beat and you know it
    Come on, let’s see what you’ve got
    Just take your best shot and don’t blow it

    You’re fooling yourself if you don’t believe it
    You’re killing yourself if you don’t believe it
    Get up, get back on your feet
    You’re the one they can’t beat and you know it
    Come on, let’s see what you’ve got
    Just take your best shot and don’t blow it

    You are showing signs of discontent with the contemporary world. You can let those seeds grow all you want, whereas some of the ideas that some of us are talking about and acting on are quite bright to see and bring happiness and healthiness. Including long term relationship game.

    There is some great stuff that you can do in your life. There are some great relationships you can have with men. And a ton of great times and relationships you can have with women, both romantic/sexual/passionate and intimate, as well as platonic work, social, family and community. It’s not a zero sum game. It is a collective socialization that can rise anyone’s game for the good.

    It’s frustrating to see a guy with alleged talent, but not getting loved and not getting more out of his life experiences. Because he is stuck in his thoughts. (Ideology sometimes makes one do that.)

    It’s not the whole world doesn’t get it and everyone is against the figurative me. You are taking a lot and putting it in a negative light. You are psychologically projecting when you are trying to call Red Pill an ideology instead of a praxeology. You are “playing the religion card” to explain your cognitive dissonance. “Your slip is showing” (look that English idiom up).

    Psychological projection is a defence mechanism in which the human ego defends itself against unconscious impulses or qualities by denying their existence in themselves while attributing them to others.

    There is a whole life out there that can be beautiful.

    So what are you going to do about that? What are you going to do about how things are for you? What are you going to do to accomplish your goal of getting an LTR with a good faithful low n-count woman for marriage? Shut down every interaction with a girl, any girl, unless she’s The One? Go argue and point and sputter on the internet?

    I’m glad I didn’t do that when I was your age.

  51. @Psychologist

    Question: is English your first language or a second one? That makes a difference in communication.

    I cannot be humble about my trp knowledge. How did you know I didn’t read Rollo’s books before or how can you so sure that I am a beginner or newbie about trp community? do you have any idea how many books or articles I have read from Rollo to Dalrock, from chase amante to Roosh? No, you don’t.

    Yet you show no evidence in your writing of having actually learned anything from Rollo or Dalrock or anyone else. You should be able to answer your own questions, yet cannot. It isn’t enough to read, one must learn. To learn eventually one must interact with women, this doesn’t have to be anything beyond conversation, but it is necessary.

    Owning a guitar and a practice book that I never touch doesn’t make me a guitarist, for example.

    IMO Roosh didn’t / doesn’t know much about women, his “game” in eastern Europe was just “swarthy guy from out of town”, and now that he’s returning to religion he’s delisted his Game books from Amazon, because he doesn’t like what they say anymore. Poor choice to consider him a source.

    You may find Deep Strength’s blog to be more to your liking.

  52. Even in the red-pill environment, which by its nature leans towards frankness and honesty, this frankness and honesty are hardly seen.

    A real teacher minds the wellness and inner development of his students, and offers as few prescriptions as he can. He explains the general, wide-range realities.

  53. Rollo should write a book about rp and religion.😁

    Does ” religion ” provide some men with a manner of crutches in life? An excuse to not know or understand things because they aren’t ” godly ” or approved in chapter and verse?

    That’s one reason I’m all like ” fuck religions “. Most people can take religion and shove it because many times it doesn’t seen to make them ” better “, but it scares the shit out of them or provides the with never ending excuses in all kinds of life endeavours.

    99% of it is all legend and stories. Stories retold over and over and over, with name changes.

    So imo,.don’t get butthurt when you profess muh religion here and everyone doesn’t bend at the fucking knee in full agreement.

    This message cosigned by God himself.👌

  54. A video linked in Rollo’s Twitter feed that I’m linking here because I said it here first and this provides the visual demonstration:

  55. PalmaSailor
    think that Roosh knows a lot about women.

    Only in a narrow sense. Did you ever attempt to read “Return of Kings”? I gave up some years ago, because of the sheer retardation there.

    And quite apart from having the driest sense of humour in the manosphere he was/is still quite ahead of his time in terms of perception.

    In terms of perception how? IMO the old Roissy had a deeper perception of human motives than RooshV.

    Unfortunately he didn’t manage the personal growth / mental reconciliation to get what he wanted from women on his own terms before getting burnt out (which seems to happen at about 40).

    One can be a successful PUA but still remain blue-to-purple pill. This is no secret. Examples are around, and IMO Roosh is one of them.

    RooshV’s weak Game was revealed in that inane “world meetup” he tried. Getting chased out of a public place by shrieking Canadian feminists is not a good look, and it’s really bad Game. He and the men foolish enough to join him walked right into an obvious ambush.

    The “press conference” he called later was a fiasco and again showed poor ability to calibrate message to audience.

    He wanted a wife and family, but has been a player too long and now struggles to bond with women because he knows too much about their nature.

    Meh. I suggest it is the opposite, he knows how to push buttons as a playah but does not understand the firmware underlying his simple “stimulus -> response” Game.

    In some ways I know how he feels.

    Well, it’s moot because he’s returning to his religious roots. It will be interesting to see if he can square his knowledge from the “Bang!” years with the strictures and framework he’s decided to submit to.

  56. @Anonymous Reader–

    Psychologist already said that English is his second language. After I questioned him about that.

    He’s communicating just fine. ESL is a different thing. And he is tied to his lifelong, developed beliefs, which usually come from his upbringing and his culture.

    He finds himself wanting things to be different than they are in his personal life and in the social community around him and social behaviors of modern day women.

    He voices that he wants others around him, near and far to change to accommodate him and his wants and needs. Life doesn’t work that way. People need to deal with the obstacles in front of them. Especially males. Instead of wish reality and Natural Order were different.

    This is analagous to KFG’s posting of the video about crafting a rapier and using it to pierce through resistance. Crafting. Not waiting for the sword to magically fall into your hand. In order to be effective.

    When I look back on my life and what I did, I recall along the way that I actively crafted a direct line to getting from Point A to Point B, to C, to D, etc. Not waiting around for it to happen. And when adversity was in my way, figuring a way to get around that adversity. And with the help of mindset. The old trick of visualizing one’s hurdles to be lower in order to surmount them. (As an aside, mind you I also have this thing called Euphoric Recall. Remembering those past hurdles to be no big deal, when they might have actually been high. Moving forward. It’s a neat trick. To be used for good or bad.)

    The goal should be success. Why do some succeed better than others? One large component is the way they think. And no doubt thinking comes from experiences, but it also comes from learning new things from others on how to do things well.

    Psychologist has deep seated beliefs. That is self evident.

    He doesn’t have to change all of himself, his supposed wants, virtues and desires. And it is also self evident that he is not where he wants to go. He can still be monogamous, get married, have kids and eat his cake without having to fuck girls on a first date.

    He might want to create change by by understanding, shaping and re-framing his beliefs. Because it seems to me, and a few of you, that his current beliefs are stopping him from achieving success with other people right now.

    He has a choice. He can create a world he wants or he can live in a world created by others and be unhappy and unsuccessful in getting what he wants. He’s not ready to stop making excuses for his situation and start making changes. He doesn’t want to change. That’s evident. Because that is what his statements argue for. Too keep doing what he is doing.

    Another English idiom for him to learn: Tilting at Windmills

    This is a discussion that is a general thing. Others reading here might want to succeed at change. Or not. No matter what a guy’s situation is, some change is always possible. And some change is perhaps necessary.

    These ideas are the basis for changing with Liminal Thinking

    The word liminal comes from a Latin root that means threshold. Literally a threshold is a doorway. But a threshold is also the beginning of every journey. A threshold is a boundary that marks a point of transition between one state and another.

    Liminal thinking is the art of finding, creating and using thresholds to create change. It is a kind of mindfulness that enables you to create positive change.

    Here is a primer on the subject summarizing a book written by Dave Gray called Liminal Thinking. If you care about moving forward successfully:

    http://liminalthinking.com/

    http://liminalthinking.com/six-principles/

    http://liminalthinking.com/nine-practices/

    Once again, this is general stuff for moving on with success. It might not even recognize anything to do with red pill at all, rather living life better if there is a problem.

    It’s also emblematic of Joseph Campbell’s concept of Hero’s Journey. And investigating scary things along the way.

  57. Depends on how one.defines ” succeed “.

    Lots of people can move forward by happenstance. You have to be prepared of course, but preparation only guarantees that you are prepared, not that you’ll succeed. The man that has failed even when prepared understands more than the guy that just worked hard and was rewarded for his work. The rewarded guy has missed volumes of real experience, and these are the guys that eat bullets when their ” lives ” fall apart.

    Over 30 years I can honestly say that I’ve seen hoardes of mediocre people that have ” succeeded ” in some manner believe that effort is all it takes. Spending time around these folks is.scary because seeing adults still in love with fantasy is unnerving.

  58. @Psychologist:

    Martie Haselton on Rollo’s sidebar had an article in a daily newsletter New Scientist, April 26, 2006.

    Meeting an acceptable LTR was talked about in an article by her called Love Special: How to pick a perfect mate.

    (with the understanding by her that there is No One. But there are acceptable ones. After that, there is still the management, and journey of LTR. And your perfect LTR doesn’t just fall into your lap…)

    http://www.sscnet.ucla.edu/comm/haselton/papers/downloads/haselton_2006_how_to_pick_a_perfect_mate.pdf

    Having sex can also complicate the way you perceive a potential partner. After sex, the brain releases oxytocin, which results in that warm, companionable feeling of love and the creation of the social bonds that facilitate cooperative child rearing. Watch out: sex on a whim can lead to feelings of love for a person who is entirely wrong for you.

    Sex, of course, is not love. For scientists, love is a conundrum: strictly speaking sexual desire takes care of reproduction, so what could be the purpose of love, especially since it makes us believe we have found our one true “soulmate” in a world filled with billions of alternatives. How would our ancestors have been served by such behavior? One possibility is that feelings of love act as a “stop rule” that terminates our search for a mate, even if only temporarily, so we commit to one person and get on with the business of mating.

    But that still poses the question, if the roads to love are so varied and random, how do we decide on a particular mate? It turns out that the problem of choice under uncertainty can be described and solved mathematically. Evolutionary psychologists Peter Todd at Indiana University in Bloomington and Geoffrey Miller at the University of New Mexico used a computer simulation to determine how a person might best choose from a number of potential partners. They set it up so that the person first assesses a number of the options before them to decide what is the best they can aspire to in terms of attractiveness, and then goes for the next person they come across who meets their aspirations out of those they haven’t already encountered.

    The researchers found that the optimum proportion of possible mates to examine before setting your aspirations and making your choice is a mere 9 per cent: so at a party with 100 possible mates, it’s best to study only the first nine you randomly encounter before you choose. Examining fewer means you won’t have enough information to make a good choice, examining more makes it more likely you’ll pass the best mate by. No doubt, the models underestimate the complexity of real mate choice, but the fundamental insight is clear: don’t search indefinitely before choosing lest you miss out on all the good mates or run out of time altogether.

    So Psychologist still has to encounter not too few, not to many. Not interact with no one, nor interact with a few poorly. But also not search endlessly to the ends of the earth to get with someone and begin the process of getting on with getting on. It’s still a process. In a modeled, best case scenario. As if he know’s and plays the Game. And doesn’t shirk the Game. And perhaps understands that: If Life is a Game? Does he Accept: Game On. And says to himself: “If life is analogous to a Game, then I’m going to do my best, use my best talents and minimize my weaknesses and rise to the challenge of forging success in that Game.

    And, you still have to go out and perform. In an Arena called life.

    What is the alternative?

    N.B. In that study by Todd and Miller above, they were talking a simplistic set up of the study which was an attractiveness level. When Psychologist sets up 365 other qualities and criteria for the perfect woman for an LTR to fall into his lap for now and forevermore? Well, good luck with all the endless variables. That one person can’t possibly possess and complete his neediness forevermore. Rather than him create a relationship and maintain it. If so desired.

  59. The rewarded guy has missed volumes of real experience, and these are the guys that eat bullets when their ” lives ” fall apart.

    I don’t disagree, Blax.

    And I don’t know why a man wouldn’t move forward over 3 decades and Accept volumes of real experience, including adversity, and not gain from that and add it to his arsenal for the next advance through time.

    You keep mentioning this concept. And seem to bring it up in response to a lot of my former comments. As if I might eat a bullet one day by my own hand because I never went through any adversity or Hero’s Journey type of life. No, I’ve actually pushed myself to actually have volumes of experience. Seeking and not shirking experience.

    Which I attribute to the way I comment. Which is with Euphoric Recall (a psychological term for the tendency of people to remember past experiences in a positive light, while overlooking negative experiences associated with that event/events) most of the time.

    And I put myself in a position for that. It wasn’t and isn’t handed to me on a silver platter. Except when things actually did fall in my lap.

    I’ve had lots of hurdles/setbacks/difficulties/hard roads, etc. My outlook is that any one man should face his hurdles as a masculine man. And have a mindset to make those hurdles he has in front of him be perceived by him as lower than they are in order to overcome them. Of course, not in a delusional way. And be open to new experiences and hurdles. And not just wish them away, willy nilly, but to actually overcome them. With skill.

    So sue me for misleading you about my life or saying that life should be easy because it is, always. It’s not actually. I agree with you. One should put oneself in a position to have best advantage when adversity hits. And not dwell, or spin one’s wheels in the face of adversity.

    Just look at what Psychologist is doing with his current adversity. He’s arguing on the internet with guys he doesn’t agree with. Good luck with that.

  60. The FPO rails against bullying and attributes it to masculinity, in actuality bullying is a feeding frenzy on weakness. The root cause is education in a female primary education system, gaslighting at it’s worst!

  61. @Anonymous Reader

    “Best part about Finland’s response so far: they blocked all the roads into / out of Helsinki early on with construction equipment. Dumped piles of dirt. I salute that response.”

    It was road blocks, police and army. On all of the roads in and out of the southern district where Helsinki is located. An area of about 10000 square kilometers (3700 square miles). One had to have a note from employer stating work related reason to pass through. It reduced traffic 30-80% in and out of the district, with live stats in the media compared to the norm at a given moment. The restriction was lifted yesterday.

  62. I interrupt this blog for a special bulletin:

    Some of you all might not have seen this…

    “AG Secretary Sonny Perdue Discusses Challenges Shifting Food Supply Chains….”

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/04/15/ag-secretary-sonny-perdue-discusses-challenges-shifting-food-supply-chains/#more-189240

    “This is a warning the same problems exist in all supply chains.

    The supply chain is farked.

    David Osterloh,
    61-year-old dairy farmer”

  63. Conan the Librarian: No, there’s no fine. If you don’t return the book on time, I simply come to yore haus und remove yore head from your shoulders.

  64. Interesting read regarding the food industry ASD. Now I understand the point kfg was making regarding the problems in the supply chain. I didn’t get the picture because I live in a waaay smaller country then the US, so the chains are shorter and less centralized then in the US. The same problems of course persists here, but on a smaller scale.

    There are a few points I still don’t understand though. Why farmers cannot sell product directly to the consumer? I can understand that normally it is not practical, but I don’t understand why it is illegal. And anyway, making it legal in “State of Emergency” would be easy I assume?

    And it is clear that normally people don’t buy in bulk, but these are not normal times. I would by one pound butterblocks. Since we cook home every day we go through butter like, well, butter.
    10 pound packs of cheese would sell easy too. Eggs are a harder question, as I understand one Pullman case is 360 eggs. At a lot of shops around here eggs are sold from such cases: you have to take with yourself your own dozen-egg packages and they fill it for you. These packages are reusable, we have the same 3-4 package for a long time now, every time they run out I go to the grocery store and fill it up.

    My point is, that I understand now that there are problems, but with effort most of these problems can be solved in 2-3 months max. And there is a big pressure to make these transitions obviously. The interesting question is if the reserves are big enough to smooth out this transition.

    (And I can see now that living in a small country can be a big advantage as long as we are not in an actual war.)

  65. “And anyway, making it legal in “State of Emergency” would be easy I assume?”

    Nothing involving the government and its bureaucracies is easy, even in a state of emergency and the people with the emergency powers have no idea where their food comes from, how it got to them or how the whole process is financed.

    ” . . . with effort most of these problems can be solved in 2-3 months max.”

    You need to eat every day. So do the farm animals, which costs a lot of money. It’s spring, the farmers have to plan their output for the year now. They are already in debt and have to service that debt whether they are selling or not. They will have to increase their debt to make it through. Many of them won’t.

    2 to 3 months will leave things broken for years, with grain farmers themselves standing in bread lines.

  66. Yeah, it will be the farmer’s burden to finance the industry for the short term. I have no idea if they have the means or no.

    One other comment though: here are some interesting fact of the US food supply:
    http://css.umich.edu/factsheets/us-food-system-factsheet

    I would point out one line:
    In 2010, the U.S. food supply provided 4,000 calories per person per day.19 Accounting for waste, the average American consumed 2,507 calories per day in 2010 <\i>

    More than the third of the food is currently thrown in the garbage currently. So even if the industry output decreases 30%, there would be still enough left for everyone. I expect if the food becomes expensive/scarce, the waste will go waaay down.
    (It is another question if the people will have money to buy it though.)

  67. ” . . . it will be the farmer’s burden to finance the industry for the short term. I have no idea if they have the means or no.”

    Not even close. It all runs on debt and risk.

    The risk is the futures market. In essence (and how it all began) farmers are paid lowball prices for their entire output in advance, which payment they can then roll into producing the output. When risk grows high and investors pull back, farmers start going belly up immediately, not even having the money to put the crop in. Some will be able to take on more debt to get through the season, but still go belly up a year or two later when they can’t service the debt.

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