Solipsism I

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“Women have always been the primary victims of war. Women lose their husbands, their fathers, their sons in combat. Women often have to flee from the only homes they have ever known. Women are often the refugees from conflict and sometimes, more frequently in today’s warfare, victims. Women are often left with the responsibility, alone, of raising the children.” – Hillary Clinton

I had planned on using Hillary’s now infamous quote for an upcoming post outlining the distinction between women’s innate solipsism and an acculturated narcissism, but fate delivered me a much more profound use for this quote last week (we’ll get to that in part II).

Before I dig in here I feel it’s kind of incumbent upon me to point out that I in no way align with, nor endorse Hillary’s political or ideological perspectives, and I think it should go without saying that I diametrically disagree with her feminine-primary social agendas.

That said, if you ever need a better quote to explain the realities of feminine solipsism I think I’d be at a loss to give you one. A lot of men, even Red Pill aware men, have a hard time understanding how solipsism fits concretely into the feminine psyche. The social conditioning and upbringing that predisposes us towards an egalitarian equalist mindset rebels against thinking women and men would have different psychological firmware. Equalism teaches us to expect that men and women’s needs share mutual origins and our impulses are so similar that any difference is insignificant.

That egalitarian frame predisposes us to consider that ‘not all women are like that‘ or to disassociate the idea that men and women could be anything but functionally equal agents. As a result we get convenient distractions to confuse our looking for comparatives to should anyone (or thing) challenge an equalist answer.

Simply put, we get rationales like “Oh well, men do it too”, or worse, or any opposite comparison that leads us away from considering the truth that men and women are psychologically, biologically and sociologically different; with different motives and different strategies which they employ to meet their different imperatives. And often these imperatives are at odds with the best interests of the other sex.

Separating Differences

The Cardinal Rule of Sexual Strategies:
For one gender’s sexual strategy to succeed the other gender must compromise or abandon their own.

It is the fundamental differences in either sex’s imperatives, acculturation and biology that creates this conflict. Of course, men and women have come together for each other’s mutual benefit (and love, and enjoyment) to create families and sustain our race for millennia, however, this mutually beneficial union does not originate from mutual imperatives or sexual strategies.

When I explain how women hold an opportunistic concept of love, while men hold an idealistic one, the resistance to accept that observable, behavioral, reality is rooted in a blank-slate belief that men and women are fundamentally the same. So, when we read a statement from a woman (to say nothing of a high status one) such as Hillary’s, we either scoff at the oblivious audacity of it because it is so counter to our (male) imperative’s interests, or we nod in ascension in the feminized belief that what best serves the female imperative necessarily is the best interest of the male imperative.

This is an illustration of the fundamental difference in the interpretation of experience between the sexes.

From a solipsistically oblivious female perspective what Hillary is expounding on here is entirely true. From a perspective that prioritizes feminine Hypergamy above all else, these three sentences make perfect, pragmatic sense. The idea that men losing their lives in warfare would make them victims at all (much less the primary victims) isn’t even an afterthought; all that matters is the long term security and continued provisioning of women and their imperatives.

Solipsism, not Narcissism

A lot of newly Red Pill aware men get confused at my using the term ‘solipsism‘ when I refer to this female-specific obliviousness to any concern – or lesser prioritized concern – of anything outside their immediate existential needs. The confusion comes from men who want for a similar justice to the one I outlined in Our Sister’s Keeper. Self-importance or narcissism would seem to be a more appropriate term for this dynamic, but I disagree.

Female solipsism in and of itself is not necessarily a net negative in the larger scope of human survival and evolution. On the surface that may seem a bit outrageous, but it’s only outrageous insofar as women’s solipsistic natures come into conflict with the biological and social imperatives of men. This solipsism is the necessary result of a feminine survival instinct that’s helped preserve women and their offspring in a violent, chaotic and uncertain evolution.

Recognizing the importance of feminine solipsism is not an endorsement of the anti-social, and often cruel, byproducts of it.

No doubt, men who’ve been on the sharp end of this will grind their teeth at the inevitable narcissism that becomes an extension of women’s solipsism. I’ll agree. Socially we’re living in an era of unprecedented (western) narcissism manifested in a vast majority of women.

At no other time in history have women become more accustomed to perceived entitlements of personal security, ubiquitous social control and relative assurances of optimizing Hypergamous imperatives. At no other time have women’s sexual strategies been of such primary importance to society. However, this narcissism is the result of an acculturation and learned social priorities that predispose women to expectations that border on arrogance. Over recent generations that narcissism has become learned and fostered in women to the point that narcissism is openly embraced as a feminine strength – women believe it’s their due after a long suffrage.

Women’s solipsistic nature however is an integral part of their evolved psychological firmware. Solipsism is the evolved, selected-for result of self-preservation necessities that ensured the survival of our species. As men we get frustrated by this intrinsic nature; a nature that puts women’s imperatives as their primary mental point of origin. As any newly aware Red Pill man will attest, coming to this realization is a very hard truth to accept. It’s cruel and contrary to what the First Set of Books have taught him he should expect and build his life around.

Furthermore, it’s cruel in the respect that this solipsism neither aligns with the romantic, Blue Pill hopes he’s been raised to accept, but also the egalitarian, equal and level playing field ideology he’s been conditioned to believe he should alter his priorities to accommodate for women; and in turn he can expect from women. As I stated earlier, coming to terms with men and women’s differing concepts of love is a tough disillusionment, but this difference in concept is simply one of many a man must come to terms with.

When I wrote Empathy I got taken to task about women’s capacity to feel empathy to a greater degree than do men. It’s not that women cannot feel empathically (a shared experience), my argument was that the idea that women feel a ‘greater’ empathy than men was a social convention with the latent purpose of masking women’s innate solipsism.

That wasn’t a very popular idea. The notion that women are the mothers and nurturers was predictably spelled out, but with regards to empathizing and caring for men the primary concern of women was worry over their own and their children’s well being before that of their men should they become incapacitated. Again, this is a cruel truth, but also a pragmatic and survival based one.

Mental Point of Origin

Women’s mental point of origin begins with their own self-importance, and the overriding importance of their own and their offspring’s survival. I’ve had women readers lambast me that they couldn’t possibly be so influenced by solipsism because they put their children’s wellbeing before their own. However it is just this solipsism that predisposes women to seeing their children as extensions of themselves and their own identities. And the good news is that this dynamic is one reason the human species has been so successful.

The following was a comment from Starve the Beast on the TRP subredd:

Women are bad at reasoning, but good at rationalization.

Let that sink in for a minute. One cannot rationalize without the faculty for reason. So are women really bad at reasoning? No, actually they’re great at it.

The difference is that women don’t place as much value on Truth as they do upon self-preservation, and therefore their reasoning processes do not abort when self-contradiction is reached. They’ll just rationalize their way out of that too, if exposed.

Ultimately, the so-called hamster reflects an underlying difference in value systems more than in reasoning ability.

Women can learn to sublimate their solipsism. In fact, cultures and progressive societies have been founded on sublimating female solipsism. Women can and do learn critical thinking quite regularly. Women can learn and function within a society that forces them to compromise their sexual strategies and mitigates the worst abuses that solipsism would visit on men (and themselves). Women can learn to be empathetic towards men as well as live within a social order that looks like mutual justice and fairness.

But the fact that these civil dynamics should need to be something a woman learns only reinforces the biological and evolved influences of female solipsism as women’s mental point of origin. The parallel to this is men’s learning to sublimate intrinsic parts of themselves – primarily their sexuality – to reinforce prosocial interaction in society. 

Women dislike the idea that their experience is colored by solipsism. It sounds bad, and it runs counter to what they believe are sacrifices on their own part to help others. That may be so, and I’m certainly not going to attempt to discount those investments, but they come from a learned compassion that must overcome an innate solipsism. That ‘me and my babies first’ mental point of origin isn’t necessarily a bad thing either – it’s only when that learned compassion and humility are superseded by it that anti-social behaviors and hubris arise.

I expect the predictable criticism will be that men are also self-important, and / or all humans are intrinsically selfish fucks. In part II I’ll elaborate more on this, but for now it’s important to grasp that female solipsistic nature is less about selfish individualism and more about pragmatic survival.

Many a male reader of my Hierarchies of Love series grated against the idea that a conventional model of love would progress from Men to women, women to children, children to puppies, etc. That model is a direct reflection of a uniquely female solipsism that seemingly discards men’s reciprocal emotional investment in women. However it is also the same dynamic that predisposes women to desire men who can decisively control their environment as well as dominate them sexually and emotionally.

In part II I’ll outline more examples of feminine solipsism, how it’s reflected on the individual and societal level and how a man might best use an understanding of it to his advantage.

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Author of The Rational Male and The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine

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Andy
Andy
5 years ago

Personally I think the big mistake is EXPECTING women to take responsibility and personal accountability in the first place. That’s the big lie right there.

I agree. I don’t expect anything. I’ve been on the wrong end of too much of it. But we need to give them a chance to fix it themselves with full red pill knowledge of their solipsism. Just to see if anything changes.

YaReally
5 years ago

@Blaximus “This. Right. Here.” Society and feminism has convinced everyone that women are more than just large 5 year old children, and we spend a shitload of time and energy and effort trying to rationalize away their behavior and protect them from their own behavior when they act like large 5 year old children, and we get devastated and feel betrayed when they act like large 5 year old children because we were brought up to believe they weren’t large 5 year old children. I simply view and treat them as large 5 year old children from the start. Would… Read more »

YaReally
5 years ago

@Andy “I agree. I don’t expect anything. I’ve been on the wrong end of too much of it. But we need to give them a chance to fix it themselves with full red pill knowledge of their solipsism. Just to see if anything changes.” Why would they fix it? Does it benefit them to NOT be solipsistic? Their solipsism is why they feel like victims which is what triggers men to step in and rescue them. Their solipsism works just fine as far as their concerned…the ones it fucks over use that same solipsism to hamster-rationalize their failure (“I’m happier… Read more »

YaReally
5 years ago

Also the answer to “Why would they fix it?” might be “well, to be better people, don’t they want to be better people??? Don’t they want to be respect-worthy and honorable and strive to be the best they can be???” No. They DON’T. lol Even red pill chicks, they aren’t learning about the red pill to become better human beings (though their conscious brain will tell them that’s why they’re doing it), they’re doing it because it might help them achieve their survival/replication goals, whether it’s thru the “popular nerd girl” strategy where they’re the one girl approved by a… Read more »

YaReally
5 years ago

@Rollo lol that’s surreal to me. Like, “I never hear Niel Armstrong talk about numbers and calculations like those NASA rocket engineer guys, it’s stupid to discuss that stuff…you just get in a rocket and GO TO THE MOON DUH.” Naturals generally can’t explain why what they do works or how women’s brains work, even though they’re executing the same shit a PUA does. That’s why lots of them try monoLTRs and marriage and it falls apart and they get burned. Even a lot of PUAs don’t understand hypergamy or solipsism and some parts of evo psych because it’s not… Read more »

redpillgirlnotes
5 years ago

Ya really good for you for telling the 24 the real deal. You did her a favor I hope she heard it. My sahm unhaaaaapy folk, it seems I tell them over and over and over and they get it at the time, then the next week “I’m unhaaaaapy” ug. I agree it’s a pretty cushy deal! I don’t get it except it’s coming from TV or social media or their own hampster. But I figure maybe I am not only NON “you go girl” voice they might be getting so I am happy to repeat it as needed. If… Read more »

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
5 years ago

From OP / Feed the Beast: “Women are bad at reasoning, but good at rationalization. “Let that sink in for a minute. One cannot rationalize without the faculty for reason. So are women really bad at reasoning? No, actually they’re great at it. “The difference is that women don’t place as much value on Truth as they do upon self-preservation, and therefore their reasoning processes do not abort when self-contradiction is reached. They’ll just rationalize their way out of that too, if exposed. “Ultimately, the so-called hamster reflects an underlying difference in value systems more than in reasoning ability.” A… Read more »

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
5 years ago

@redpillgirlnotes My sahm unhaaaaapy folk, it seems I tell them over and over and over and they get it at the time, then the next week “I’m unhaaaaapy” ug. That’s because her husband still doesn’t Just Get It, which leaves her best case scenario that she’s now got a beta that tries to negotiate desire. BZZZZZT! No tingles == unhaaaaaappy woman. It isn’t just that the wife needs to acknowledge what she has, though that is important. It’s that a man still has the burden of performance, and if she has to explain it to him, then that’s by definition… Read more »

YaReally
5 years ago

@redpillgirlnotes “Ya really good for you for telling the 24 the real deal. You did her a favor I hope she heard it. My sahm unhaaaaapy folk, it seems I tell them over and over and over and they get it at the time, then the next week “I’m unhaaaaapy” ug.” I talked to her on like Sunday. IN THAT MOMENT she was 100% wanting to get her guy back and was planning to do it this weekend when he’s in town. But between Sunday and this Saturday, depending on what she’s doing (who she’s around, what she reads, what… Read more »

YaReally
5 years ago

@Sun Wukong Right, that’s a good example of what I mean when I say my FB’s guy needs to live closer and learn some game so he understands this shit, it’s not JUST on her that she needs to appreciate him more, it’s that he has to understand everything in society is trying to get her to bail on him and has to pro-actively manage that. And if that’s too much work for the reward (and to me, it IS), he shouldn’t be in a monoLTR with her (which is why I don’t do those). But no one will ever… Read more »

A Definite Beta Guy
5 years ago

Long-distance relationships are terrible ideas. The only one reason mine worked is because my Wife lived in BuFu Wisconsin and her only friend was a nerdy girl and the average age was 67. When I dumped her, she confessed she was terrified because she had absolutely no idea how she would restart her romantic life. Unsurprisingly most of the LDRs I know that succeeded involved girls stranded in BUFU. One of my buddies tried a relationship with a girl in consulting who lived in downtown Chicago: within a month or two, she started making little effort to see him and… Read more »

A Definite Beta Guy
5 years ago

YaReally,

Suggestion: both the guy and girl would be better served if you just fucked her, took a text pic, send it to him, and end the relationship.

scribblerg
scribblerg
5 years ago

@Andy – On TV I’ve seen cheerleaders fawn over the fallen QB – never in real life. But thanks for sharing…

YaReally
5 years ago

@ADBG “Suggestion: both the guy and girl would be better served if you just fucked her, took a text pic, send it to him, and end the relationship.” Could, the reason the convo even started was she wanted to come over and bang. But then he would never take her back and she would run around for a few years fucking guys like me till she’s racked up a crazy N-count that scares dudes off commitment and she’ll be in her late 20s and getting close to 30 before she meets some high-value dude and that dude will be able… Read more »

scribblerg
scribblerg
5 years ago

@Bromeo – What’s your N? Pre-RP? Mine was over 100, I stopped counting at 70 a long time ago. When I finally began talking Red Pill to my close male friends, all 3 of them told me at a certain point in the conversation that I was surely alpha, no doubt. I argued against it, they laughed. I’ve been dominant since quite young. I was very good looking in my own way, got mad female attention, made stacks of cash, rolled in Italian designer suits and drove luxury german autos. Probably fucked the hottest girl in every social circle I… Read more »

scribblerg
scribblerg
5 years ago

@Andy – Now I respect you, that is some lunchbreak. Nicely played.

Kyfho Myoba
Kyfho Myoba
5 years ago

@ Forge Why are there less great women artists/scientists/etc? Not because they’re substantially dumber or less creative. Uhh, yes, they are. At least on that end of the Bell Curve. (On the other end, they’re smarter). The intelligence curve for women is taller at the average/mean than it is on the male curve, showing that women’s intelligence clusters around the mean to a greater extent than do men’s. There are about 5-6 times as many men with IQs of 140 as there are women, also 5-6 times as many men with IQs of 60 as there are women. Given that… Read more »

insanitybytes22
5 years ago

“Women’s solipsistic nature however is an integral part of their evolved psychological firmware.” Fine Tomassi, believe what you wish. Let’s say women are survival oriented, solipsistic, and programmed to put ourselves and our babies first. In that case, outside the context of faith, I see no reason why women shouldn’t just harvest your sperm, salvage your organs, and then do away with the whole lot of you. In a purely biological context the only value men really bring to the equation is their expendability, right? Or you could choose to believe that women are actually full human beings, capable of… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

” Fine Tomassi, believe what you wish. Let’s say women are survival oriented, solipsistic, and programmed to put ourselves and our babies first. In that case, outside the context of faith, I see no reason why women shouldn’t just harvest your sperm, salvage your organs, and then do away with the whole lot of you. In a purely biological context the only value men really bring to the equation is their expendability, right? ”

That’s the ultimate goal of the FI.

Funny how women will clue us in just by spouting off sometimes.

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

…. that’s why I keep my sperm numbered for just such an occasion.

kofi84
kofi84
5 years ago

Another gem, Rollo. I used to get mad reading all this but once a person accepts reality they can learn to operate in it and achieve what they need. I’d rather know what’s in a female’s nature than be oblivious like I was a year ago. Now the ball’s in my court and I’m winning. My best friend recently took the red pill after a disastrous proposal to his girlfriend (think helicopter and a getaway to a cabin). He didn’t understand why she never did anything for him the way he did for her and how she expected him to… Read more »

Black Dynamite
Black Dynamite
5 years ago

A Definitive Beta Guy

Your solipsism example reminds me of when I ran into my ex on the street and told her my dad was in the hospital (she knew my dad had been in pain for a long time). Her response? “I haven’t been feeling well myself lately.” And she continued to talk about her new diet. I walked away mid conversation.

Black Dynamite
Black Dynamite
5 years ago

*A Definite Beta Guy

Sorry I’m typing on my phone. And the psych girl post is mine. Username fixed.

Andy
Andy
5 years ago

In a purely biological context the only value men really bring to the equation is their expendability, right

Tingles. The reason you are here.

insanitybytes22
5 years ago

“Tingles. The reason you are here.”

Your epic inability to produce them…the reason why many of YOU are here.

keyser Soze
keyser Soze
5 years ago

I thought M Simon was Fabio but scribblerg(suffering Alpha), ding,ding,ding, IS the winner.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
5 years ago

Bytes Fine Tomassi, believe what you wish. Well, that’s mighty generous of you, allowing him to think what he wants. Perhaps age has mellowed your misandric, feminist temper? Or perhaps it’s just a little foot-stamp of petulance? My bet is on the latter. Let’s say women are survival oriented, solipsistic, and programmed to put ourselves and our babies first. Let’s say that…since science points that way. In that case, outside the context of faith, I see no reason why women shouldn’t just harvest your sperm, salvage your organs, and then do away with the whole lot of you. That’s pretty… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
5 years ago

Random question for you guys and Rollo: Anyone have any experience with a girl who majored in psych?

In my experience, the vast majority of people who major in psych as undergraduates are in serious need of either a psychologist or a psychiatrist. Case in point, the friend of mine who married a psych major back in the 90’s, she naturally dropped out of school as soon as she was pregnant, blimped up for years, and about 2 years ago she frivorced him.

Just one data point, sure. I always stayed away from the psych girls.

insanitybytes22
5 years ago

“Here we deal in reality, dearie, not cowshit.”

Wallowing around in bovine poo would be an improvement, instead so many of you chose to just wallow around in your own poo, congratulating yourselves for your accomplishment.

Male solipsism, it is a real thing in the world, something we often call a code brown.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
5 years ago

Tingles…

Bytes
Your epic inability to produce them…the reason why many of YOU are here.

Dearie, Andy banged his wife at lunch today. Do try to keep up? There’s a good girl.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
5 years ago

Bytes, a parasite on men:

Wallowing around in bovine poo would be an improvement, instead so many of you chose to just wallow around in your own poo, congratulating yourselves for your accomplishment.

Nice example of projection, dearie. No matter how many times you fling your stale, 1970’s era I Am Woman feminist cowshit in here it won’t stick. Hey, maybe you can still find Helen Reddy’s hits on YouTube?

You won’t know if you don’t try.

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
5 years ago

@lh “That doesn’t mean though women weren’t capable of being empathic with someone else (though it’s rare). It basically means in emotional thinking frame is everything. Who dominates the frame will dominate the emotional thinking. Female Solipsism is then first and foremost a tool to fight for frame control. Solipsism makes it nearly impossible for women to differentiate between persons frames. If she enters the dominant frame of some man her Solipsism will make her think it’s her frame and she will start working on it as if it were hers. And as soon as the man slips into that… Read more »

Kid Jupiter
Kid Jupiter
5 years ago

““Tingles. The reason you are here.”

Your epic inability to produce them…the reason why many of YOU are here.”

We’re producing them in you, bytes baby. We’re learning. Thank you, mami.

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
5 years ago

@Scribblerg “@Andy – On TV I’ve seen cheerleaders fawn over the fallen QB – never in real life. But thanks for sharing…” Hmm. Maybe this is a bit different, but hear this. I happened to be in Florida at the same time a flame of mine was visiting her sister there. Since we were like 45 minutes apart, I rented a car and drove to see her. Hung out at her sister’s place a bit, then I banged her in the back seat of the rental car and we drove to West Palm Beach for a date, since I’d never… Read more »

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
5 years ago

@Kyfho Myoba, Rollo I’m aware that high levels of intelligence are quite a bit rarer in women as compared to men. I suppose in my zeal to make a point I might have overstated a bit. I would contend that differences in preferences and proclivities has a great deal to do with women’s relative underachievement at high levels of accomplishment, as well. It’d be interesting to control for the differences in IQ standard deviation between men and women, and see if the achievement gap disappears or not. I suspect it would not, though if you could demonstrate otherwise I’d change… Read more »

keyser Soze
keyser Soze
5 years ago

Grandm Insanity.

What is your solipsism keep “lurking” at “Tomassi”s blog?

You old stinking hag, don’t you know you, as, an, old, hag, is done?
I know, I know, the oder(ugly Slash dry) you get , the closer to God you become.

How does it feel you no longer wanted ?
Ps,
……………………………..
. .!.

benfromtexas
benfromtexas
5 years ago

Solipsism is critical to understand. It was a driving factor that lead me to become more “red pill” aware. Without witnessing this, the man I am today would not exist.

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
5 years ago

Update: I’ve been polite but distant with the old oneitis for the past few weeks. Working on about 5 cute girls around the workplace as ‘plates’ for frame and game practice until I can round up a few from the wild, so I don’t shit where I eat. Overall it’s quite fun, I’m building a lot of skills in DHV especially. A few days back I gave ol’ one-itis a bubbly ginger lemonade I had made on a whim. She praised it to high heaven, and a few co-workers asked me for a recipe so I know she’s been showing… Read more »

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
5 years ago

Make sure all engagements with IB are done to elicit a reaction demonstrating a concept. Don’t take her responses seriously. Lab rats are not pets.

hoellenhund2
5 years ago

With respect to the Hillary quote, it’s a good idea to keep in mind that women’s perception of war is based on the apex fallacy, as usual. When they think of war, they aren’t picturing the average grunt bleeding to death in no-man’s-land, or the immense physical and mental anguish caused by prolonged combat, or the emotional pain of losing comrades. They are picturing the warlord with his forcibly recruited harem, asshole generals telling jokes while drinking whiskey and smoking cigars, knights snatching female serfs to turn into personal whores, conquerors gangbanging the local women and getting drunk on looted… Read more »

Mr. C
Mr. C
5 years ago

Am I wrong in assuming that in men, solipsism is closely and positively correlated with psychopathy?

Mr.C
Mr.C
5 years ago

Hoellenhund2; I present to you ….

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hitc8haEu_g

Cheers

Hugo N.
Hugo N.
5 years ago

In the words of future President Mr Kanye West:
“Girls be actin’ like it’s diamonds in they coochie”

walawala
walawala
5 years ago

This is a link from the Korean female illustrator Puuung who wanted to depict romantic love. “Love is something that everybody can relate to. And Love comes in ways that we can easily overlook in our daily lives. So, I try to find the meaning of love in our daily lives and make it into artwork,” Check out the illustration where the guy is doing his girlfriend’s hair. This is love? Do women really want a guy who shares her life so intimately he braids her hair? It’s a tutorial in how to be beta because many women would see… Read more »

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

@SD: “Three; no such thing as a free Orgasm. If an interaction with a man doesnt in some way assist a woman’s Prime Directive , that interaction Will Not Happen.”

It’s babies all the way down.

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

:

The guy is braiding the chick’s hair. The chick is taking a selfie.

walawala
walawala
5 years ago

@kfg either way he’s still in her frame.

Andy
Andy
5 years ago

On TV I’ve seen cheerleaders fawn over the fallen QB – never in real life.

It was an analogy, but basically the same thing happened to me in High School. Popular guy get’s injured, moms gasp, girls fawn. I get injured shortly after that. Crowd completely silent, no moms gasp. I look up, girls completely facing the other direction wishing that I never existed. It was super awkward because everyone had to reconcile the two completely different reactions. One of those things that gets burned into your brain.

CaveClown
CaveClown
5 years ago

“Your epic inability to produce them…the reason why many of YOU are here.” Shaming. Typical chick move. Weren’t y’all just talking about women being taller 5 year olds? A few months back I had a lady your age hit my car at a stop light. No one was hurt so I started teasing her immediately, while we waited for the cops. Definite tingles. The kino from this woman was astounding. She was quite charming too. It’s unfortunate that the fine art of flirting that this woman possessed is lost on women in the ages I go for. Too bad I’m… Read more »

CaveClown
CaveClown
5 years ago

I’m good friends with a “natural” I’ve seen a bunch of women approach him and give him their number. I’ve seen him pull very hot (and very married) women out of coffee shops and fuck them within an hour. Women can’t get enough of this guy. I’ve watched him and he has very little “game” but what he does have is an intense desire for sex. He isn’t looking for love, or romance, or validation from women. Just sex. And the abundance mentality! Amazing. He truly does not care whether any one woman likes him or not, because he has… Read more »

scribblerg
scribblerg
5 years ago

@Forge – I’ve been with submissive women who would have eaten a mile of my shit just to sniff my bunghole. Aside from the fact that they were pathetic and turned me off, I was speaking about my experiences with girlfriends in LTR/Marriage. I have witnessed many a woman do incredibly caring things in the early phases when they aren’t sure I’m monogamous with them yet and while they are trying to infect me with oneitis (essentially all monogamous, romantic framing is a setup for oneitis). But once you are “there”? Never witnessed real compassion for a husbands suffering from… Read more »

scribblerg
scribblerg
5 years ago

As for @IB, I could actually smell fish dip beginning to fry through my computer as she was so wet from that last interchange. She must have a big white dildo with “Rollo” emblazoned across it at this point. Lol, pathetic, just pathetic.

She’s our little pet troll, like a trained seal or something. Dance for us, bitch, dance!

Andy
Andy
5 years ago

I’ve watched him and he has very little “game” but what he does have is an intense desire for sex. I definitely think there’s some sort “energy” (pheromones, whatever) that chicks can sense. I suck at flirting, but I’m a good looking guy. Many times when I’m around a girl I’m attracted to they get all nervous and start apologizing to me for nothing in particular. And they kind of act like looking into my eyes would be like looking straight into the sun. This is with zero flirting. It’s frustrating because I’m quite sure I could be fucking them… Read more »

CaveClown
CaveClown
5 years ago

“I definitely think there’s some sort “energy” (pheromones, whatever) that chicks can sense. I suck at flirting, but I’m a good looking guy. Many times when I’m around a girl I’m attracted to they get all nervous and start apologizing to me for nothing in particular. And they kind of act like looking into my eyes would be like looking straight into the sun. This is with zero flirting. It’s frustrating because I’m quite sure I could be fucking them with very little effort. Alas, marriage.” The natural I’m referring too is very good looking as well. He’s married too.… Read more »

Bromeo
Bromeo
5 years ago

“It’s actually interesting to me that Rollo’s writing on this would have ANY push-back…to me that means we have a long ways to go for men to fully wake up still.”

Yup, accepting females as they are is key to RP.

JF
JF
5 years ago

As a heads-up, I don’t understand the use of the word “suffrage” in this article.

>Over recent generations that narcissism has become learned and fostered in women to the point that narcissism is openly embraced as a feminine strength – women believe it’s their due after a long suffrage.

Did you mean to say “oppression” or something like that?

Outstanding essay as always, btw.

ace
ace
5 years ago

insanitybytes22

September 3rd, 2015 at 7:57 pm
, I see no reason why women shouldn’t just harvest your sperm, salvage your organs, and then do away with the whole lot of you. In a purely biological context the only value men really bring to the equation is their expendability, right?

Why eliminate the workhorses?

You do know that sperm banks exist, right?

anonymous
anonymous
5 years ago
ace
ace
5 years ago

insanitybytes22

September 3rd, 2015 at 10:06 pm

“Your epic inability to produce them…the reason why many of YOU are here.”

You shouldn’t generalize. Most men here are nothing like your husband, that’s why you’re here.

Badpainter
Badpainter
5 years ago

“I wonder how well received that will be by the ‘Christian’ commentariat at your blog?”

Probably as well as her advocating forgiveness, understanding and sympathy for a woman who killed her children. Being ‘Christian’ in this case means no judgements that generate bad feelz unless, of course it’s men being judged, because men are scary and they fail women. Therefore Hilary being a miserable cunt is really Bill’s fault and so her worthiness is thus validated.

MikePhil
MikePhil
5 years ago

@kofi84 Definitely avoid the woman who has taken extensive psychology coursework in college. In my experience, a woman armed with that kind of knowledge is not only dangerous to your psyche, she’s also found a framework that can rationalize ANY shitty behavior of hers, full stop. I’m basing this on my making the mistake of dating someone years back in my blue pill days who took psych courses AND was in therapy ; she ran roughshod over my brain and completely screwed me up mentally and emotionally. It took years and immersion in RP to get me over that woman.… Read more »

Badpainter
Badpainter
5 years ago

Rollo,

You know the old joke response to the obvious: Is the Pope Catholic? I think this Pope calls the certainty of that into question.

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
5 years ago

@walawala I think women do fantasize about having a relationship/bf like that. It would be pleasant for them in many ways. They just don’t understand their own attraction cues well, so they don’t realize how frustrated they would get with a guy that’s that sweet and helpful. Can you imagine her drawing a picture of this saccharine couple, uh, coupling? She’s drawing entirely with warm fuzzy emotions here. I imagine if the mood took her to draw a sex scene or two, the guy she draws would look rather different. Can’t have a beta in the bedroom, ew. Also, did… Read more »

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
5 years ago

Hey @Sun Wukong

How’s the roundtable coming? I’m curious to hear what I sound like with that new mic

hoellenhund2
5 years ago

Hoellenhund2; I present to you ….

Indeed. Bill Burr is amazing. But it goes further than that. In every era and every culture, the average woman was convinced that her male peer has it immensely better than her. I’m convinced about that.

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
5 years ago

@Forge I think women do fantasize about having a relationship/bf like that. They don’t fantasize about having it. It’s exactly what’s available all around them from every Blue Pill guy they meet on the street. They have or have had it. They fantasize about being aroused by it. How’s the roundtable coming? Been so busy with other crap that I haven’t finished it. Unfortunately, I had mine WAY too low, so I’m having to do horrible compression to the audio to compensate. *sigh* Gotta remember to check my own levels better in the future. Sound quality on this one will… Read more »

Not Born This Morning
Not Born This Morning
5 years ago

@Kid Jupiter September 3rd, 2015 at 12:33 pm @NBTM

“Why would you stay married to such a woman?”

Answers:

1. AWALT
2. Better to tame the shrew you have (a process that never ends) than start over with false hope of something better only to find a slightly different manifestation of the same.
3. What would become of my daughter if I ditched the bitch? Mother would have most primary custody and almost all influence – disaster for my daughter.

Ang Aamer
5 years ago

You guys gotta read this… It’s a soup to nuts Red Pill revelation

http://time.com/sex-buyers-why-cops-across-the-u-s-target-men-who-buy-prostitutes/

The gem I loved is when they busted a college student:
He had a girlfriend but she wanted to “withhold sex until marriage”… geez it’s like beyond open hypergamy i’ts Blatant Hypergamy now.

Oh and check the tone of the article about the poor poor ladies caught up in this exploitative trade. The arrested prostitutes are given job training and counseling paid for by John’s court fees….

Just shakin’ mah head here.

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

This article made me queasy. A little bit. I understand that prostitution is illegal in most places in America. I get that. But the giddy, bust-in-the-room-and-cuff-the-John shit that police seem to find so amusing is out and out bullshit. I agree, police would be better served doing the ” Hard Work ” of getting actual criminals off of the street. I realize that going after violent offenders is not easy. Duly noted. Fuck not given. It’s part of the job description and if it’s not as much fun as bum rushing some guy who’s trying to get his dick sucked,… Read more »

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
5 years ago

@Blaximus

So I’m still trying to wrap my head around the idea that a chick offers to blow you for 10 bucks, you accept ( because your penis has not been adequately blown for a while, or because NEWSFLASH- Men Like Blowjobs A lot ), police bum rush and handcuff you, tow your car, fine the shit outta you, and she’s the victim? Always the victim.

“Selling is legal. Fucking is legal. Why isn’t selling fucking legal?”
– George Carlin

Men have been asking this shit for a long time.

fleezer
fleezer
5 years ago

“Your epic inability to produce them…the reason why many of YOU are here.” The best hunters have a deep understanding of their prey. Some of us are here because we only go after the best prey and being men we are able to use abstract concepts like words to share information, formulate theories and test them in the real world. I hunt the fresh prey. They are fiercely protected. There is no manual for what I do. The best hunters pass on many many more shots than they actually take. The mark of a qualified hunter is the kill shot,… Read more »

Not Born This Morning
Not Born This Morning
5 years ago

@ insanitybytes “….outside the context of faith……” This of course literally means “outside the context of pretending” or “outside the context of fantasy” or “outside the context of delusions” or “outside the context of chicanery and scam artistry”. In other words “inside the context of honesty and reality”. Her words blatantly reveal her point of view which is entirely, biased, purely subjective, significantly unrealistic, and although purely self serving ultimately fails her. She is trapped within her paradigm which is a very real part of her innate constitution. She can never escape. Poor little hamster, see how she runs on… Read more »

Not Born This Morning
Not Born This Morning
5 years ago

@ Rollo I just re-read War Brides at your recommendation. I had read it before, but not as carefully as this time especially considering the context of why you recommended it. Your words – “Now, here is where I’ll step off the diving board and into the theoretical. It’s my purview that a lot of what men would complain are duplicitous acts of indifference towards them are really rooted in this innate feminine solipsism. That’s a bold statement, I realize, but I’d argue that what men take for inconsiderate indifference in a break up or in ruthless shit tests is… Read more »

Marellus
5 years ago

Rollo, How a woman describes her experiences after her husband committed suicide. Here’s how she ends it her article : I’m on a roll; I now live in an area of the country I have always dreamed of living in. I am engaged to be married to the person who was my rock through this whole ordeal. When I, and everyone around me was falling apart, he was there for me. The new writing career seems to be gathering speed. My son is happy. He is well-adjusted for what he has been through. This experience has changed me for the… Read more »

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

: “either way he’s still in her frame.”

Exactly. I pointed out the selfie taking because even the cartoonist understands that to her there is no other frame to be in.

Isn’t there a picture around these parts somewhere of a couple sitting by a scenic lake or stream, the guy taking a picture of the scenery while the girl takes a selfie?

stuttie
5 years ago

Marellus – So easy to read between the lines of that article through a red pill lens…

“I was forced to figure out how I was going to spend my life in the professional world, a.k.a. making money.”

yup, after flogging her draft horse to death, it didn’t take long before she sank her proboscis onto a new BB….you go girrrl

p.s great post again Rollo

just getting it
just getting it
5 years ago

YaReally thanks for explaining why wifey was actually mad at me when I was injured, I must have had a mental block coz I should have worked that out for myself. The injury was a serious blow to my view of marriage – I thought I had formed a team and we would look after each other (don’t laugh), so imagine my shock when I disclose a problem to wifey then I have two problems (wifey attacking me coz she’s scared). That’s a problem with marriage these days – thinking you’re now in a team when in fact you are… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

@ Just getting it, Don’t stay pissed. Useless state of mind my friend. You’ve taken the first adaptive steps. please continue. Some of us can develop a ” team ” in marriage, most of us will not. Men have a different concept of team than women do. I think to most women, ” team ” is just a word that’s descriptive and that’s about it. In my experience, many women will either shut down or attack ( eventually ) if they sense a weakness on our part. This is why they don’t make ideal partners because when and if the… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

P.S. Hardened and Tough is a more natural way to exist anyway. It’s a cold ass world out there for most of us and we need that toughness of mind and body.

Badpainter
Badpainter
5 years ago

Blaximus – “This is why they don’t make ideal partners because when and if the going gets tough, they get flaky.”

Now here is a reality that is hidden, and denied with tremendous effort. If this were axiomatic in the minds of men generally, in the same way we know fire is hot, the entire notion of commitment would instantly cease to exist. Women must either be seen as property, or for entertainment purposes only. Never can they be relied upon as mission critical personnel.

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

@ Badpainter, I agree with you up to a point kind of. Some of us are really driven to commit. In some cases, I don’t think the notion can cease to exist without profane suffering. The commitment changes in light of the facts – you’re committing to being ever vigilant. You kinda become a daredevil of sorts. If you go into an LTR or marriage without the expectations of gaining a partner or equal in the venture, then you must accept that you will be steering the ship 90% of the time. Performance and all that. We are idealistic, but… Read more »

Not Born This Morning
Not Born This Morning
5 years ago

@Marellus Thanks for sharing the suicide. It discloses the thinly veiled stark reality about all women. The author blatantly displays no concern for her dead husband and a total lack of regard for his humanity, no empathy, no hint of any humane consideration that another human being was so miserable that he decided to take his own life. She displays only and exclusively nothing but self concern for selfish reasons. Her entire description of him and what happened is exclusively in terms of herself. She claims her world was “shocked” but she wasn’t shocked sufficiently to see outside her world… Read more »

YaReally
5 years ago

@just getting hit Happy to have helped. “Now, I don’t ask her opinion on anything, I tell her what’s going to happen. I’ve adopted the ‘big child’ view of her coz it’s how she acts, and I’m pissed that I was ever led to believe different.” That’s the big problem. You’d have been perfectly happy and perfectly fine if you had known this stuff going into the marriage (tho you may not have entered it at ALL knowing it), but society ran a life-long social conditioning campaign on you to not just hide it from you but convince you of… Read more »

Badpainter
Badpainter
5 years ago

@ Blaximus Can’t disagree with that. I guess what I’d mean by the end of commitment would be the end of the idea that “for better or worse” is a governing rule of the relationship. Obviously this is has been the case with the ladies for quite some time. For us it’s a matter of finding the right combination of dread and frame realizing that commitment isn’t an end state but an ongoing process, and a one way flow to the woman at that. When the flakiness appears the message from the man must be some form of “get out… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

@ Badpainter, ” I think a version that attitude is necessary in an LTR, but it’s damned hard to do to someone you actually care about.” Amen brother, amen. Men, contrary to popular belief, are the ones who love. We self sacrifice our own best self interest gladly for the one(s) we love. To expect gratitude for this would be foolhardy. But understanding the differences between men and women, we can still love them. We just need to redefine what our love is based on, and what it means in the big picture. I love my wife dearly, but I… Read more »

Striver
Striver
5 years ago

As far as the psych majors go, my ex was one, and when she dumped me she certainly had an answer for everything. That is a bad thing in a relationship. You’re better off if they don’t know what they’re doing so much.

keyser Soze
keyser Soze
5 years ago

Re : anonymous white women’s video, !(?).

This anonymous guy is so fucking dumb.
He actually placed his video in this post.

All these “white women” will fuck a rich Sand N****Dubai Oil Sheik with the highest gear of solipsism.

Not Born This Morning
Not Born This Morning
5 years ago

Suicide is real and what you are about to read really happened – all of it. The suicide referenced by Marellus above brings to my mind another suicide that occurred a few years ago in my neighborhood. My daughter is 16. She started preschool with a couple little girls her age. My wife and their mother became friends and the girls got along for a few years until their paths in life separated. My daughter was born with Turners Syndrome; a chromosome disorder that causes some slight malformations. All carriers are female, the malformations do not affect mental abilities and… Read more »

rugby11ljh
rugby11ljh
5 years ago
Reply to  Rollo Tomassi

@Rollo “suffer-rage” http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YyAZ9WnAaH8 @Sun Wukong Hey shoot me your email so when I head over to the man in demand conference I can send you updates and you can put it in a large audio file will be using an iPhone recorder. @Blaximus “It’s a cold ass world out there for most of us and we need that toughness of mind and body.” That’s the truth. The cold hard brutal truth. The one no one talks about but the one we know in are hearts. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nMlDPsRwZE4 “We’re the ones that need deprogramming.” Being in the red pill is liberating to… Read more »

Johnycomelately
Johnycomelately
5 years ago

“Without a social or biological ‘receptor’, her solipsism becomes unbridled, free to fester in areas that serve no purpose. This absence of necessity does not render it inert but rather allows it to go unchecked.” “It does seem like these natural protective responses can be problematic when the environment is scrubbed of the corresponding threats or conditions in which they evolved to function positively.” One of the best comments I have read here, reminds me of Calhoun’s mouse utopia experiment. On a side note BlackDragon recently had a post about 1950s female subservience vs 1970s female sexual freedom and modern… Read more »

Badpainter
Badpainter
5 years ago

rugby11ljh – “That’s brutal I would disagree because I still Think I’m not fully unplugged but I know your right because of experience buried painful memory’s that I never wanna go back to or live through again.” Reality is brutal. You have a burden to perform, and much is made of that here. Remember that they too have a burden to perform. You must be man enough to punish their failure to perform to your expectations, and punish you must. Carrots are no good without sticks. Mercy is the gift of the strong and powerful not a characteristic of the… Read more »

Melbournite
Melbournite
5 years ago

Regarding the James Marshall videos… Being from Melbourne, Australia I am quite familiar with his earlier PUA work and dealings with the then Melbourne Lair. Marshall was dishonest, partly out of desperation to get his PUA business promoted and up and running. I hazard a guess that he has never held a regular job. Putting aside the usefulness of his “product”; which is not without its merits any red pill/alpha attitude, lifestyle advice is bound to strike difficulty without the bucks to back it up after his clientele reach their early 30’s and beyond. Marshall is an outlier that found… Read more »

Melbournite
Melbournite
5 years ago

I will also add that James Marshall was referring to himself as a “porn star” (at least back in the mid 2000’s he was) after “starring” as the performer in one scene in a semi-professional porn film.
Most of his clientele in Melbourne are males in their early to mid 20’s who tend to be (easily) impressed by that sort of thing.
All of this can be verified by doing some online checking.

ChocDoc
ChocDoc
5 years ago

I have great respect for all the RP Men, who still are married or still chooses to get married to a woman.
I have thought a lot about that recently. I could never marry a woman, after all the things i know now about them. Especially after i have been introduced to the RP wisdoms.

The only way for me to have any kind of relationship to a woman is a short-time one or a LTR (with Kids) without contraction of marriage, where i can opt out as easy and quick as possible.

Liz
Liz
5 years ago

HH: ”With respect to the Hillary quote, it’s a good idea to keep in mind that women’s perception of war is based on the apex fallacy, as usual.” The context of the speech is also something to keep in mind. She said this at the “First Ladies’ Conference on Domestic Violence in El Salvador. Hillary’s statement as First Lady was one of ignorance, but it was addressed to her specific audience. It was politically motivated. It wasn’t even “her” speech, there’s a 99.9 percent likelihood it was written by someone else, in the boiler room of her husband’s White House… Read more »

Liz
Liz
5 years ago

NBTM: “Later I was in their house. She was remodeling. Apparently he left money, most likely life insurance and she upgraded the house, decorated, put in a pool. In the house, master bath, sitting on the master tub sat a figurine of a horse drawn coach, kind of frilly and glittery with writing on its base, the words were “If you keep on believing, the dreams that you wish will come true – Cinderella”………I almost vomited on the spot.” That was an absolutely horrific anecdote, NBTM. I wouldn’t even call that solipsism so much as psychopathy. I’m sorry your daughter… Read more »

just getting it
just getting it
5 years ago

YaReally, yes, you’ve got it – we are told by society that when you marry you get a partner who will support you, but she’s really just adding to your load. I could live with that as a cost of doing business of having a family. It’s just that the lies set you up to fail and get blindsided. The biggest wake up though is realising from that that women don’t love you when you’re screwing up (or injured). The realisation that I’m alone and unsupported at that time felt like going into free-fall. That is why I’m bitter –… Read more »

longgone
longgone
5 years ago

Liz,
Nice having a cheerleader and all….

longgone
longgone
5 years ago

“Happened to meeeee…”

hoellenhund2
5 years ago

The context of the speech is also something to keep in mind. She said this at the “First Ladies’ Conference on Domestic Violence in El Salvador. Hillary’s statement as First Lady was one of ignorance, but it was addressed to her specific audience. It was politically motivated. It wasn’t even “her” speech, there’s a 99.9 percent likelihood it was written by someone else, in the boiler room of her husband’s White House at the time, carefully scrubbed to tell a specific message they wanted to get across (for a specific reason). Memories of the civil war in that area were… Read more »

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