Well another year has come and gone. I generally view the end of August as my year marker for The Rational Male. I didn’t add a page for year 4 since I’m not sure I want to clutter up the top of my blog layout with links pages, but I may yet combine the best of years 4 and 5 into one page.
A lot has happened in this span, I began the Red Pill Monthly talks with Niko Chosky. I still think I sound like a nasally teenager when I hear my voice, but the feedback has been nothing short of amazing on these so I believe we’ll continue with them for the foreseeable future.
Right after my year 4 best-of I did my first liv appearance in Vegas with Christian, Goldmund and Tanner Guzy at The Man in Demand Conference. I’ve discussed doing another one with Christian McQueen and we’re looking into venues for 2017. This was just an overwhelming experience to meet up with my readers in person, do the talk and have dinner at Sinatra’s. This was the first time for me to do an on premise event and I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t a nervous wreck the night before, but every guy in attendance just impressed me to no end and the whole thing was something I’ll remember for the rest of my life.
I went through the process of having the audio mastered (courtesy of Sam Botta) to make it available via DigiRAMP for anyone to get a hold of now too.
Probably the biggest TRM news of 2016 was the release of the audio book of The Rational Male. It was a long time coming, but I think well worth the wait. I’ve come to believe that a book needs a time to mature into what its overall reception will be. The Rational Male book continues to sell very well and my focus has always been on emphasizing the printed book above all else since I feel that medium is the best to spark discussions and pass along to men who need it at the right time. That said, Sam Botta convinced me that men listen to books more than they read them so I thought the time was right and he’d just gotten back in the saddle so to speak after his debilitation in a hit & run car incident.
The book has exceeded any expectation I ever had for it and I still receive emails and tweets about how it’s changed men’s lives in the best possible way. The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine is also doing far better than I’d hoped if not eclipsing the first book. Sam and I are now in the process of doing the audio for TRMPM and I expect it will go live in early 2017.
The blog traffic continues to grow too.
As most readers know, I do very little self-promotion for TRM and I only advertise the book on the TRP reddit forum and posting occasional Amazon reviews on Twitter. I always want the the message of this blog and my work to be relayed by the men who read and contribute to it. I’m a believer in the bottom up plan for improving men’s lives and ultimately the social order we find ourselves. I’m glad to see men passing on what they learn here. I’m happy to be able to focus on my ideas and have men spread the word for me.
I’ve done art direction and brand management for over two decades now. It’s what I do for a living so it wouldn’t be a stretch for me to convert TRM into a similar commercial success, but that’s never been my goal. From the outset I wanted to just do what I do and talk about the ideas I’ve come to or the dots I’ve connected. That isn’t to say I don’t appreciate making a little money from it, but I’ll never compromise my message to sell more books or start a Patreon site.
I’ve had guys tell me I should quit my day job and write full time, but I’ve never really needed to be an author for my livelihood. I do quite well for myself and not being beholden to being an official author allows me the freedom to do what I do without the concern of having to write ‘for’ anyone. I know there are guys whose schtick is to treat their writing like a product and they tell you to write for what your audience wants to read, but I think this inherently compromises the authenticity of the real message.
My goal isn’t to sell books, it’s to genuinely change men’s lives for the better with the tools and truths I present in my work. The Rational Male isn’t a ‘product’ for salesmen to sell, it’s a collection of ideas that, really, we’re all responsible for authorship of. Ideas are a hard thing to suppress, and they last far longer than the men who conceived them.
Honestly, when I started this blog back in 2011 I never imagined it would grow into what it’s become today. I have some plans now to do a site redesign. I’ve never really focused on the look of the blog, I just poured myself into its content, but I think after 5 years I’ll freshen the look up soon. I’m also in the middle of the first round of edits for my third book, the working title being The Rational Male, The Red Pill. That may change, but the primary focus will be on defining what the Red Pill is from an intersexual dynamics perspective. As a matter of policy I generally refrain from being too prescriptive for individual men to apply their Red Pill awareness, but in the new book I’ll break this rule and provide some generally applicable ways to live in a Red Pill paradigm.
Red Pill parenting and family interactions in a feminine-primary social order will feature prominently. Yes, it will include selections from the blog again, but with each I’ve added what I believe are general solutions to Red Pill problems, plus more new content.
Well, that’s it. I continue to be humbled by the response and reception of The Rational Male and I want to extend my true gratitude for everyone’s input, participation, reading my ideas and helping me do what I do – even the critics and detractors make me a better Red Pill author. So here’s what I thought represents the best posts from year 5.
Let me know what your favorites were in the comments and let me know how TRM has helped you as well.
With much gratitude,
Rollo Tomassi
Interviews
The Feminine Imperative
Parenting
Red Pill / Game
Positive Masculinity
Hypergamy
Social
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@Blaximus, Sentient
Sure, I get the point about projects and hood rats. Because I’m totally sure that those chodes are just like kfg; they research the law and hire attorneys and make a careful contract with their babymommas involving inheritance and all that stuff, because they are totally down with long term thinking and raising a few chlldren to competent adulthood.
I’m sure that’s your point. Because otherwise you’d be just pissing on everyone’s shoes while insisting it’s raining, right?
@yareally Legit question because you represent the young PUA end of the spectrum: what are your thoughts on having kids/reproducing and raising kids in a stable 2-parent household? Is that something you want to do? How do you envision that looking or happening? Do you want or plan to reproduce and if so what kind of scenario do you envision that happening in? idk…I don’t think I’ll do that. the key is making sure you spend time with your kids and showing them about being a good person in TODAY’S world. like, if you COULD keep up your game and… Read more »
Blaximus https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LT9YKjn67Og Your right. I didn’t have a farther and being an this blog is te closets to heathy meeting decent self loving men. Who exhibit self interest above popular opinion. The thing about marriage is that is hasn’t been exhibited in a heathy manner to me. It’s been perverted by re legion and deceit. My dad manipulated he didn’t lead. It was hard to live while only being able to cope by viewing the womens solution to things. Putting your life on the line with so many visceral insecuritys. Is not helpful for etheir party. But leading with positive… Read more »
kfg Well, I was thinking of it more as an example of simply having to find a way out when there’s no way out. Ok. But I doubt that’s what Sentient meant. As an example of manly spirit, I’ve already implied a personal fondness for the retreat from the Chosin Reservoir, even if it was the enemy who burned the boats. Sure. But donchat think those jarheads would have been a lot happier to have parked on a good ridgeline and burned ammo all day into ChiCom armies, rather than burn Marines up on the way to the coast? Fight… Read more »
@ Anon
” Sure, I get the point about projects and hood rats. Because I’m totally sure that those chodes are just like kfg; they research the law and hire attorneys and make a careful contract with their babymommas involving inheritance and all that stuff, because they are totally down with long term thinking and raising a few chlldren to competent adulthood.
I’m sure that’s your point. Because otherwise you’d be just pissing on everyone’s shoes while insisting it’s raining, right?”
Lol.
http://wp.production.patheos.com/blogs/daylightatheism/files/2014/01/StrawMan2.jpg
“probably will live really close and come over super often and we’ll have family time and blah blah blah. I don’t think I need to live with the mom tho . . . Yeah, it sounds like . . . ”
. . . Walking Marriage.
sfer I mean you could intentionally have kids in a LTR without getting married but that isn’t what anybody in the US does. You must not know anyone who was born in the 70’s or later or move in very limited social circles. I know several people whose parents weren’t married when they were born. Some turned out ok, one of them probably died of an OD. In the Nordic countries it’s common now for couples to not get married until after the birth of the second child. That’s why Sweden has all those categories for “parent”. In the US… Read more »
“I’d rather see men marry later, or maybe not marry at all, then marry when social pressure demands it . . .”
My general take on marriage, as she is spoke today where you are promised a lump of gold and given a lump of brass plated pot metal, remains:
Are you simply naive, or are you actually retarded?
@YaReally,
Just out of curiosity, where exactly is “over here” for you?
Edit: ” . . . given a lump of brass plated pot metal with a nitroglycerine core . . .”
@Blax
Thanks for posting a picture of your debate opponent. Helps a lot.
Does anybody have great suggestions applied in their own lIves about being discreet with sexuality?
@ othergrain ( on the train ) ” Oh THERES the negativity in the thread! There’s the absolutes you detest!” Not negativity. I’m ‘ looking at the whole chess board ‘. Any solution to the things that you are speaking of, that does not include self improvement and understanding, imo, is a recipe for failure. I have seen men stagger down that road many times before. ” It’s not me, it’s all them “. You’re staring at a pawn instead of thinking steps ahead. You’re attention is divided. And you are embracing that division. that’s how I see it anyway.… Read more »
kfg Edit: ” . . . given a lump of brass plated pot metal with a nitroglycerine core . . .” For years at Dalrock’s I’ve been part of the group of men trying to help men to improve their marriages / stay married. I used to reco / link to MMSL before Athol’s wife took over, because the original MAP has a pretty good track record compared to just about anything else. It beats the pants off of everything that churchgoing counselors have to offer – appeasement/abasement, gynocentric marriage or for the more daring, Love Languages. I’ve typed a… Read more »
@Blaximus “You want to focus on concentrations of guys having problems ( deadbedroom reddits and the like…) and then hold them up for all to see as some kind of Standard.” Statistically they are becoming the standard. Maybe your relatioship is fine, maybe your buddies are fine, but statistically we are seeing an increase in guys having those problems. It’s not me trying to dwell on negativity any more than the inventor of the seat belt saying “you know what, people keep dying and that trend isn’t going down, maybe we should come up with a way to help reduce… Read more »
@ YaReally
” None of that emotional outrage changes that, logically and/or statistically speaking, it’s possible that you’re not playing the guitar as well as you think. How many people go up on stage or onto American Idol and shit thinking they’re awesome and everyone else is like “dude wtf”. You aren’t infallable and my pointing that out isn’t some kind of direct insult to lose your shit over.”
Let the record show that I am an amazing guitar virtuoso.
( note to self: Holy hell, get more practice )
@Andy @Blaximus “Fathers need to be present in a child’s life. And I mean a full investment, not some kind of selfish game.” Yeah. But how does this relate to pLTRs? The whole point of this discussion is that we are looking for a way to keep the Dad around. Fucking THIS. How the fuck did Blaximus get that we’re promoting abandoning your children from this???? Blax is your belief that if a guy has THE OPTION of side poon (not even TAKING side poon, just not promising that he won’t ever have it), he’ll just, what, walk out on… Read more »
@YaReally, I have another couple of questions, do you have a kid yourself, maybe you don’t have custody of?
Also, have you ever been in a monogamous relationship or a marriage in the past? Like maybe before you discovered Game?
@yareally
IT’S FRIDAY WHY ARENT YOU OUT! (angry emoji)
lol
surreal discussion honestly…
have you ever commented at Blackdragon’s? I think there could be some good conversation there on this topic
@Yareally
An old emotional fuck OMG has another question.
Have you knocked up anyone lately,maybe she doesn’t want to abort it?
” An old emotional fuck OMG has another question….”
Lmfao. #dead.
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@ Anon
FIFY
@SunWu – But I had no game when I was married. Still, I’m not taking a position either way here, I’m inquiring. I’m really not sure about this.
@scrib No obviously I noted that. I was just saying that from your view even with what you know now, was the risk/reward even doable with the knowledge you have of Game at this point? I mean obviously I’m assuming “No” but you’re an old guy that’s putting in the work and has had a marriage blow up in the worst possible way. Knowing what you know now does it even seem remotely doable in a situation like the one you encountered even with Game? It still seems like being dealt a shit hand out of your control means you… Read more »
@Ya – Your arguments and logic are not nearly as sound as you believe. I usually don’t bother to take you on, I just cafeteria your ass – take what I want and leave the rest. But I’m home tonight, bushed after a busy week, so here goes. Your “statisitics” on divorce please? Oh wait, you ain’t got dick on that front cuz if you actually looked at divorce stats you’d see they are declining. What – it’s not getting worse, it’s getting better? How can that possibly be? Here’s the data. [url[/img][/url][url=https://postimage.org/]free photo hosting[/url A little excerpt/summary from the… Read more »
@Klem “IT’S FRIDAY WHY ARENT YOU OUT! (angry emoji)” lol I’m sick as fuck this weekend. Yesterday too. That’s why I have 100000 posts on this thread. Stuck inside watching my phone light up with txts from people having fun and already had to turn down an FB trying to arrange a last call bootycall for later FML :'( lol “have you ever commented at Blackdragon’s? I think there could be some good conversation there on this topic” Nah I sink enough time into this place as it is, but I have mad respect for Blackdragon. He field-tested a lot… Read more »
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wow, made a hash of that.
http://imgur.com/a/TGbuz
@Ya Really: “So I can’t accept that there’s no solution and all we can offer men is either this broken flawed system that is statistically and anecdotally getting worse and worse in all areas across the board, or the Krauser/Roosh PUA-for-life-no-kids-no-reproduction-no-stable-household-parenting system.” Then you are going to have to find an interest in changing the system, because the second a guy has a kid, he’s in the system. And the system is a criminal mafia designed to shake down men. And all it takes to start that system grinding on you personally is a single, anonymous, phone call. Various government… Read more »
@YaReally I’ve stated repeatedly that I am not from The American Marriage Advocates, but that’s pretty much a lost cause in this instance. But, without exposing my personal life choices to your scalpel, I will attempt to address some of your questions because I think you are sincere in the asking ( even though you make my ass hurt with your dogged pursuit ). But first, The Ghetto question. It has been my long held belief that poor minorities specifically, are as canaries in coal mines. My theory for most of my adult life, is that the things we see… Read more »
Blaximus
“Part of the example is the interaction between my wife and myself – in front of them.”
That’s what was hard. My farther lost frame viciously in front of my mom in front of me.
A great vid on how marriage has been weakened by the state, and other historical aspects of the legal contract we call marriage.
[youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imZqThKeEww&w=560&h=315%5D
This was a good weekend to be stuck inside lol COME AT ME BRO @scribblerg …yes, I’d imagine when you have 100000000 people doing something, the amount of them failing at it will be higher than when you have 100 people doing something. You wanna stop waving your dick around and put up some stats on the number of marriages? You know, like your OWN ARTICLE points out: “Some of the decline in divorce clearly stems from the fact that fewer people are getting married — and some of the biggest declines in marriage have come among groups at risk… Read more »
@ scrib
This right here is an interesting video. thanks.
There are many moving parts in the ” marriage sucks ” thing. Baskerville is spot on.
Btw, I am with you. If my marriage explodes tomorrow, I will NEVER consider doing it again. I wouldn’t want to.
“While I didn’t get my early marriage or my 12 kids or my big house with a white picket fence, my commitment to sexual integrity has allowed me the freedom to live the life that I want. I am living the life that feminists throughout history fought for.
Through the virtue of chastity – true freedom and the perfection of love – I am living the feminist dream.”
theage.com.au/comment/my-name-is-kate-im-32-years-old-ive-never-had-sex-20160909-grcfuo.html
New American Dictionary – 2030 edition:
mar·riage
/ˈmerij/
noun
1. Something gay people do.
Congrats on year five Rollo!
Words to live by!
My all time fave is “The Pet”.
Don’t fool yourself, dem bitches always be feral.
peace
@kfg “Then you are going to have to find an interest in changing the system, because the second a guy has a kid, he’s in the system.” That’s the one sticking point. Literally the ONLY point where a man can’t walk away (if he doesn’t legally volunteer to get married in 2016 like an idiot), is when they have a kid. That’s the ONE point where the girl has him by the balls (unless he volunteers to give her more hand like an idiot in 2016). Don’t know how to solve that one yet, but I know “adding less ability… Read more »
@scribblerg
Stefan rules. Here’s another good one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3YA6u4ttN0
I recommend watching the Divorce Corp documentary itself:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrBOK8bnrW0
Just incase you don’t beat the odds trying to win a game that doesn’t have any benefits that you can’t get without entering this rigged legal system.
…man I wish I was out sarging right now lol Someone pull out their tits!
Wow. That’s a first.
I couldn’t keep up with the comments and everybody is posting more than me.
Jamais vu!
I was out farming today with my son and a tribal buddy.
Disk harrowing:
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y220/Derm95/20160909_145026_zpsthwbvafj.jpg
Micro managing deer habitat:
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y220/Derm95/20160909_144247_zpsb9jdk78g.jpg
OK. That went about how I thought it would. Waste of fucking time. My fault. But I wonder how many reading along get that nothing anyone could ever say would spark the ” conversTion ” Ya says he’s trying to have. He is stubbornly pushing a narrative at all costs. Even asking for examples or descriptors while fully intending to never change his stance regardless of anything that’s said. My lesson learned about you man. You aren’t what you espouse really. Lol, and your field tested bullshit. You aren’t open and thoughtful. You have an agenda. It was good that… Read more »
Anonymous Reader
“Using Cortez as an example of manly spirit and will triumphing over everything in its path is a fail”
Sentient
Cortes is an example of incentives and motivation.
Dude. Cortez lost to the Aztecs. His plan failed.
Incentives and motivation lead to a disaster that nearly got the entire expedition wiped out.
Disease and other Indians beat the Aztecs. Not Cortez.
He’s more like a lottery ticket winner than a successful leader.
Read Conquest of New Spain sometime. Learn something beyond the Great Illustrated Classics version of history.
was trying not to go out tonight……………..
now i feel sick because of it so im going out
LATERS BOIS TITTY FLICKING TIME!
Not one of my great grandparents ever had a marriage license. Not one of my grandparents was a bastard. As stated earlier, state (government) marriage licenses didn’t even exist until the Victorian Era, and at first only in England. In the US it was 1929 before all US states required a marriage license, so it could be viewed as a mid-20th century phenomena. A license is not part of forming a marriage. Never has been. So why all of a sudden was it a requirement? Did something change that made them seem necessary? Yes, something changed. The state(s), for the… Read more »
@kfg
This also figures into my personal perspective on marriage.
Good thing I didn’t fuck up and try to explain that.
So a metaphor is called for in order to clarify this whole thread. A married guy (can’t remember who) decides to equate marriage with an activity, so he chooses ‘flying 140 mph down the road on a motorbike’ ….. Okay ….STOP! That’s what I’m tired of; how deftly the trad-con life is immediately cast as the ideal, apex life. Just like that offhand metaphor of 140mph awesomeness. Look at how immediately marriage is given credit for; excitement, success in boldness, grit, steeliness, manliness, courage etc. It’s things like that that have some of us here tired of some other of… Read more »
Yeah. Frame is dumb.
This is interesting. Dread is too hard. So is frame. You need a fucking fainting chair bro?
Red Pill.
Swallow another.
@Blaximus “OK. That went about how I thought it would. Waste of fucking time.” You recommended “LOVE” as a reason to sign a lopsided contract to red pill men. LOVE. lol “But I wonder how many reading along get that nothing anyone could ever say would spark the ” conversTion ” Ya says he’s trying to have.” Plenty of other people who actually get my point have contributed. “Even asking for examples or descriptors while fully intending to never change his stance regardless of anything that’s said.” You haven’t provided good logical evidence. You’ve provided “love” and “religion”. Don’t blame… Read more »
Scrib, it appears you’re not the numbers man I thought. You’re not quite lying with statistics, but heading that way. Item: Your graph shows divorce monotonically increasing across time for all cohorts. That contradicts “divorce is decreasing”, it shows Item: The “married in 1990’s” is close to a 35% divorce rate and is tracking almost perfectly with the “married in the 1960’s” and “married in the 1970’s” divorce curves, so it is all but certain that over the next 8 years “married in 1990’s” will hit 40% and then pass it. So we’ll be back to the 40% divorce rate,… Read more »
For who they are not what you want them to be.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=thc1MtNagC8
By respecting hypergamy for what it is. You learn to let so much slide that takes time to respect. It’s strange my old ways have been changing and people can’t see me the ego the blue pill is being torn into a new me. Someone who is finally learning to love himself.
I’ll let what I actually wrote, and your misinterpretation stand on their own. It’s all in black and white for posterity.
The readers can judge for themselves.
Again, it’s written down that I never said anything about men going back to religion, but you hit me with it again. I don’t ever recommend religion to other men.
But you’re right. Rollo has written and is still writing about RP.
Red Pill. Red Pill blog. About the red pill. See any pattern?
Oh right. You only see what fits your narrow narrative.
Right.
Scribblerg I don’t have a NYT login, Carlos Slim is rich enough. But I did find a ThinkProgress article that contains an interview with Wolfers here https://thinkprogress.org/feminism-cohabitation-and-how-marriage-was-brought-back-from-the-brink-4f3690f08f43#.51qjwmso1 And I have a link to a 2007 working paper by him here: http://www.nber.org/papers/w12944 but I have not yet read it. In the Think Progress piece which appears to be very similar to the nY Times article, Wolfers admits outright that the new model of marriage works for the UMC but not for the working class. He admits that marriages are still in decline, but crows about a reduction in the rate of… Read more »
Anyway…
Rollo, belated congratulations on year five.
Your writings have improved my understanding and appreciation greatly.
I look forward to more to come.
Commenters, take care. Good luck in your endeavors. Remember the red pill always. Life may be hard, but it always beats any available alternative.
Blaximus out.
Blaximus: If you marry a woman that refuses to be led, who is the onus on for that clusterfuck? LOL. Good thing that women never, ever change after the first or second child, eh? C’mon, Blaximus, you know better than this. One of my frivorced friends got along fine with his somewhat messed up wife, until the first pregnancy when the hormone shifts changed her quite a lot. IF he had known Game he could have managed her much better than he did. ‘Course if he’s really be red pill he would have known better than to marry on the… Read more »
“Get out there and wait for a grizzly shit on your face.”
“But I don’t want that to happen. It would suck so bad.”
“You need a fucking fainting chair bro?”
@Blaximus Wait, 140 on the freeway in New Jersey? For what, 2 seconds? I’ve been to that state, you go driving faster than 55 and you’re across it and into somewhere else in like 5 minutes. At 140 you’re across that and two other of those dinky states in a couple of minutes. What did you do, drive all the way across Deleware and back as well? That’d be, hmm, 10 minutes? Maybe 15? No way you went into New York, not at anything over 35 MPH. C’mon back out fo flyover. You havent’ seen any coyotes or roadrunners in… Read more »
“x is decreasing” is governmentese for “the rate of acceleration of x is decreasing.”
Hence, “we’re lowering taxes” means “we’re raising taxes.”
kfg In the US it was 1929 before all US states required a marriage license, so it could be viewed as a mid-20th century phenomena. In some parts of the US the family Bible served this purpose. Marriages were recorded there, with the preacher / priest signing his name, and that was that. Idle thought: I wonder when the test for syph became mandatory prior to marriage license issuance? That’s the law in a number of states. Before penicillin syph was a death sentence, and death by slow insanity. Most of the people in insane asylums in the 1950’s were… Read more »
@Blaximus “Again, it’s written down that I never said anything about men going back to religion, but you hit me with it again. I don’t ever recommend religion to other men.” You brought up that a benefit of marriage is love and talked about how we need religious values and stuff to fix the ghettos and Make Marriage Great Again. I don’t think it’s an unreasonable interpretation of what you wrote. Much better interpretation than me telling Andy/IAS not to nuke their marriages without thinking shit through thoroughly and trying other options and you lying that I told them to… Read more »
Much respect to Blaximus for his open and thoughtful comments
Sam. Very good to see you commenting here.
I don’t do audiobooks as a rule, but I might make an exception for Rollos, because you do such good work.
Blaximus: Thanks for the FIFY on my meme.
It should be remembered that marriages after 2000 predominantly involve post wall and epiphany women with lower SMV, with the ages of first marriage and first pregnancies going up and up.
Not much of a prize getting the cat when the kitten played the field.
I guess being ‘Mr Good Enough’ to a woman with dwindling options, lower SMV, baby rabies and shrivelling fertility is a prize for some men.
For some being Mr Settled For is not enough.
@YaReally, @Blaximus, @everybody To sum it up so far: A: Marriage is dead for men in 2016. B: No it isn’t. A: There are only downsides, no upsides. B: No, thats not true. A: The downsides are the legal system stacked against you, everything we know about attraction, hypergamy and negotiated desire, the highest likely possibility of divorce rape, alimony, getting alienated from your kids, getting accused of abuse and child molestation, being financially and psychologically destroyed for life. Name some upsides. B: Best option for a stable family. No debate. A: You mean the stable two parent household, aka… Read more »
@Rollo:
Belated congratulations to your 5-year-anniversary. Still the best source of information and inspiration for men (and women, btw) in the year 2016, hands down.
Simply life changing.
@Ya – Your arguments DO NO DAMAGE TO MY ANALYSIS AND ASSERTIONS, yet you don’t even realize it. I specifically called out the factors you cited, but if you knew anything about statistics and and this kind of cohort analysis, you would have understood what I meant by stating that those factors don’t “confound the analysis”, meaning that the estimates are valid and reliable despite those facts. And of course I read the article, stop being such a fucking arrogant punk nonstop – it makes you come off like such a dick. Also, I could have written your response, I… Read more »
@Ya – And for your info, the critical comment of the study that you cited merely reveals the ignorance of the commenter and yourself, apparently, as the trend lines are based on the divorce experience throughout the entire lifetime of marriages and is a valid cohort analysis technique. The resulting projections haver far more validity than your spider-monkey-on-crack, hopelessly biased word salads. Funnier yet is posting vids on the movie, Divorce Corp etc., as though this is news to me. I saw the movie, fyi. You are not sharing anything revelatory. What have we learned? You don’t know what cohort… Read more »
@All – Now, can we get back to discussing this based on the facts and actual merits? As I’ve said, I’m not sure what’s best for younger men. And I’m not saying that the actual divorce data and trend-lines mean that young men should get married. What I am saying is that the assumption that you are very likely to get divorced if you marry is not born out by the actual data. Facts are stubborn things, and no Ronald Reagan didn’t coin that term. I’m sure KFG knows who originally said it, but does anyone else here know?
Good listen.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=K_PuT9Xk83s
@Kaminsky – “I want to throw in my own metaphor. How about marriage being symbolized by having a grizzly bear shit on your face? That’s my metaphor.” Fact or subjective POV? There are men on this very forum who are married, and have been for the long haul and don’t see it this way. In a sense, this captures the entire problem with the framing some here are trying to put on this debate. To claim there is one way to see this, and that there is some ironclad truth about these relationships is simply out of step with reality.… Read more »
“Facts are stubborn things, and no Ronald Reagan didn’t coin that term. I’m sure KFG knows who originally said it, but does anyone else here know?” John Adams was defending British soldiers who shot colonists in the Boston Massacre. A job which was thanklessly analogous to defending monogamous marriage here among the colonists. “I will enlarge no more on the evidence, but submit it to you, gentlemen—Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence: nor is the law less stable than… Read more »
@KFG and Anon – If Truman had just let MacArthur do what he wanted, we would have defeated the ChiComms in Korea. He called for a baval blockade of China, permission to strike strategic military targets in Manchuria and to invite Chang Kai Shek to bring his forces to the fight. But Truman and Acheson, under the effect of many communists who had infiltrated our policy making apparatus in State and the CIA, vacillated and refused him. And even earlier, if he’d been allowed to bomb the bridges on the Yalu river, the outcome would have been different too. As… Read more »
https://www.amazon.com/Black-Devil-Brigade-Special-Service/dp/0935553509
One wonderful red pill story.
@SJF for the win – Truth – did you google it? I have no trouble believing you knew it, just curious. And Adams was a bit of a cunt… “A job which was thanklessly analogous to defending monogamous marriage here among the colonists.” Nice one. I suggest we proceed without regard to YaReally’s commentary on this subject. By now, we know everything he has to say on it as he’s done say 100k words repeating the same thing over and over again. He’s becoming scroll wheel material for me on this subject, but still love him on the PUA stuff.… Read more »
@JohnnyComeLately – Thanks for the kind words upthread.
@Scribblerg Good to read your voice. @All My main takeaway is this if you want something go for it.Don’t listen to someone that says it can’t be done.Statistics are good for betting the odds and they have an even better chance of working if they line up with your lucky numbers,no kidding. If you want a roll with that hb9.5,walk up and ask her if she wants to hook up.If you want to learn a new skill do it.If you want to start a business do it fuck the odds,life is about taking chances,if you aren’t taking chances you may… Read more »
Scribblerg “Is a man signing up for nonstop high-wire act by getting marriage? ” Consider the fact that as a woman ages, her SMV is declining… while as you age – if you are not a fuckwit – yours is going up. I think everyone who reads here should be able to agree on those two points. So as you proceed in relationship – married or otherwise – over a longer term she is declining in options while you – if your head is not firmly up your ass – are expanding your options (whether or not you act on… Read more »
Anonymous Reader / scribblerg / Blax One of my frivorced friends got along fine with his somewhat messed up wife, until the first pregnancy when the hormone shifts changed her quite a lot. IF he had known Game he could have managed her much better than he did. ‘Course if he’s really be red pill he would have known better than to marry on the rebound from one-itis. See this here paragraph is a perfect example of a guy who screwed up going in, lacked the knowledge to correct, fucked it up and suffered the consequence. i know dozens and… Read more »
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“Sentient
Cortes is an example of incentives and motivation.
Dude. Cortez lost to the Aztecs. His plan failed.
Incentives and motivation lead to a disaster that nearly got the entire expedition wiped out.”
Having the boats serviced and ready to go at a moments notice would have helped conquest or retreat?
@Yareally
As to some kind of new plan for the pLTR with children,all I can say is my name is bennett and I’m not init.Now maybe if my candle had more or better wax and a smaller slower burning wick,it may have worked for burning at both ends,who knows.Buut it didn’t work for me so I really have nothing to offer as far as a plan that might work.This isn’t meant to discourage anyone that wants to give it a roll,by all means go for it.
Sun Wukong So you did ride 140MPH on a public road at tremendous risk even though there was no discernible reward. Got it. Why did you do that? Because you wanted to. That was your reward. I’ve only done it a couple times and now restrict myself to the track. My point still stands: I minimize my risk to the point that there’s basically none. Marriage is the absolute opposite of that. It’s the assumption of tremendous risk with zero quantifiable upside that isn’t available outside of marriage as well. There’s nothing to be gained, everything to be lost, and… Read more »
@Sentient @YaReally, etc The debate you two are having is an interesting one: whether marriage is a winnable lifestyle choice in today’s culture. The Manosphere (and related movements) in general takes the side that marriage as an institution is stacked against men because of the Left’s total domination and corruption of the legal system. Sentient concedes that but argues that with tight game and a successful life course, a man can navigate the world of marriage and have a good life. I would generally agree with that but the truth is that as YaReally has said, Sentient really isn’t in… Read more »
@Sentient
OH YOU WIN BRO. YOU TOTALLY PROVED ME WRONG. #REKT
I’ve already stated my logical fucking arguments till I’m blue in the face and all you’ve done is sidestep with bullshit. I’m done with this discussion.
@Johnycomelately “Not much of a prize getting the cat when the kitten played the field. I guess being ‘Mr Good Enough’ to a woman with dwindling options, lower SMV, baby rabies and shrivelling fertility is a prize for some men. For some being Mr Settled For is not enough” Scribblerg’s study specifically states that the women in it are getting married older (lower SMV, less options, baby rabies, shrivelling fertility) and are seeking guys with high incomes (aka Providers making good money who will legally sign half of it over to lower SMV woman). That’s the data, right there, in… Read more »
Another good read.
http://www.philaletheians.co.uk/study-notes/living-the-life/marcus-aurelius'-meditations-tr.-casaubon.pdf
Does anyone think that training can affect the tendency of 2016 women to ride the cock carousel? If so, does that suggest returning to arranged marriages?
@yareally
I have a real problem with stufinbox argument :
“”My main takeaway is this if you want something go for it. Don’t listen to someone that says it can’t be done.”
We’re just asking WHY it SHOULD be done? When you can get all of the benefits of it WITHOUT the risks?”
Because usually if you want to do something that represent NO benefits for you (but benefits several other people), then it’s not really YOU that wants it, it just has been put into your head by social conditioning
(Disclaimer just dashed this off after work today and my blood sugar is only 50 mg/dl. ask I drink some sugar. So if doesn’t read well, that’s my excuse). @ScribblerG …”did you google it?” Of course I Googled it. But I also interpreted what I Googled and applied it to be analogous to your position. “How much does being Red Pill help one mitigate the long term risks of marriage? @SunWu brings up an important point that I’ve mentioned here from time to time by pointing out that no one can always be on their game.” It’s interesting to me… Read more »
and I thought Rollo’s blog was all about uncovering all these social conditioning influences that are detrimental to guys.
What guys here advocate is in direct line with the FI, that’s a bit scay tbh. That EVEN HERE guys follow the FI logic
@YaReally Here’s the situation. I was married. When suddenly my now ex-wife started acting out…I was panicking and over-reacting. When I said “I want a divorce” boom!!!! suddenly she’s dressing hot, buying me gifts, cooking, planning a birthday party… when I suggested counselling finally after 9 months of separation…myeh…she thought a divorce was a good idea afterall and got remarried. I totally dodged a bullet. This was long before I discovered the Red Pill. Now….girl is giving me grief: 1) soft next…off the grid. 2) bang other plate 3) set up meetings with other girls …rinse and repeat. Part of… Read more »
@yareally thanks for the long writeup gonna work more on the walking chicks — doing more teasing/roleplays instead of DHVs/cold reads. And coming up with a set routine for a “you made that up” shit test like you mentioned. don’t remember if I lasered asian girl when we held hands. we just held eye contact th whole time. hmm, for me the spike in attraction for me was more from her hand. hard to explain. it was warm, it felt real, and I felt attraction in it . . . not that from the fact that she left her hand… Read more »
You brought a chart to the table that says divorce rates among Beta Bucks guys marrying women hitting the wall means marriage isn’t as bad a deal as we’re saying. Bring better arguments and I’ll be HAPPY to admit I’m wrong. As far as I have been able to tell from the statistics, while UMC marriages aren’t ending at nearly the average rate, UMC marriages have the same problem with dead bedrooms as non-UMC marriages. I don’t see a lot of UMC married women doing Girls’ Night Out. Mostly those are divorced and single girls and non-UMC married women. I’m… Read more »
Klem: “Because usually if you want to do something that represent NO benefits for you (but benefits several other people), then it’s not really YOU that wants it, it just has been put into your head by social conditioning.” If my son or Sentient’s son (at any age) decided to “lock down” a HB8+ at her age of 23 in the next ten years. Because he wanted to. I’d tell him to go for it after him vetting her the best he could for two years. If he wanted to be with her indefinitely because she was better than other… Read more »
Some notes: Saying that something is “different for everyone” is logically cognate with saying “it isn’t really anything at all.” Marriage is a contract. Contracts have defined terms. Getting married and not getting divorced is perfectly possible, although I don’t think that’s all that most guys want out of the contract. Succeeding in Marriage is not possible, as per above, because the terms of the marriage contract(tm) are not those of Marriage. The terms of the marriage(tm) contract have either redacted the benefits to men, or outright criminalized them. There is an awful lot of conflating Marriage with marriage(tm) going… Read more »
This world was built by guys who haul block. They always have been, and always will be, the sort of guys who haul block.
I’m confused. Is this a red pill site or a pua site?
that pua guy is annoying. does he have a pua place that he can go? he just likes to argue and repeat himself all day. he’s not really helping.
I don’t know if I want marriage or not but I like to hear all opinion. pua guy only want to hear himself talk or people that agree with him.
who is the we he speaks of?
I wanted discussion on red pill, but this is stupid and useless.
I just want to say this.
@YaReally Honestly love your shit, brother. I feel that, much like Rollo, you really care for the situation of men in our present day, which makes me heart it even more. The content is invaluable. But much emotionally charged excessive wordage could be avoided if both sides of the discussion could dial back the amount of snark a bit. You can’t really expect other men to share intimate details of their marriages, why they married, what they see as benefits of their life situation – stuff that COULD be very useful to the content of the discussion – if you… Read more »
“If you want to have kids and raise them in a stable man-woman household in the year 2016 as a positive father figure . . .”
. . . be in the upper caste.
Scrib You glibly characterize and dismiss people and put them in boxes based on their commentary here, you make simplistic arguments that reduce what people are saying to Manichaean dyads and engage in vast reams of hyperbole, and you don’t see it (and you likely don’t even comprehend the previous sentence). My, how ironic. What’s worst, is that you miss that others are treating this like an intellectual inquiry and colloquy while you treat it like a fucking video game. More irony. Try making arguments that fit in 3 paragraphs and are less than 1000 words. In graph one state… Read more »
Scribblerg
@KFG and Anon – If Truman had just let MacArthur do what he wanted, we would have defeated the ChiComms in Korea.
So? This is junior high “whut if Napoleon had a atom bomb!” kind of mental masturbation. You totally missed the point, again.
Man, you are really sperging lately.
“Really it’s just like 4 or 5 guys here, who aren’t in the game at all, pushing back with feels instead of facts.” I see what you did there. You defined game there. I’m Hugely into game. And anyone that settles for a girl not <25 or HB8+ is a settler. I do not advise ever to settle. So what’s his problem with other men doing the same? Side-poon for me, but not for thee?” Nothing. Nothing at all. If you can accomplish that and eat your cake too. What’s wrong with HB8 poon three days a week for the… Read more »
@Klem “Because usually if you want to do something that represent NO benefits for you (but benefits several other people), then it’s not really YOU that wants it, it just has been put into your head by social conditioning” Ding ding ding! We have a winner. That’s why I’m asking guys for logical reasons and why they’re fighting so hard to attack me personally instead of my argument or bring logical reasons to the table etc. Because their belief in legal marriage and promising monogamy is 100% socially conditioned. By a combination of religion and social conditioning and FI in… Read more »
“. . . be in the upper caste.”/i> Cosign. And I’ll remind my children to value that for the sake of my grandchildren. And encourage them to abide by some principles in life to get there and maintain that. Good genes in my grandchildren and well raised by their parents. Earlier I mentioned having lots of finances. You don’t have to have lots of finances to be in the upper caste. It is not a requirement. But it certainly doesn’t hurt your chances of applying to the upper caste. And red pill is 90% masculine self-improvement at the same time… Read more »
@Trent Lane “You can’t really expect other men to share intimate details of their marriages, why they married, what they see as benefits of their life situation – stuff that COULD be very useful to the content of the discussion – if you constantly refer to their OLD POST WALL MENOPAUSAL WIFES, GREAT THAT YOU GAVE YOUR 60 YEAR OLD WIFE A RIDE AGAIN LAST YEAR BRO, THAT DOESN’T HELP ANY YOUNG GUY JACK SHIT IN 2016!! when they fail to share your point lol.” lol these are relevant details though. Their wives are old and past their prime SMV,… Read more »
@yareally Yeah, this whole conversation has bugged me a lot too lol I also you think there is another (but connected) you get such an intense pushback. You can feel that Blax, SJF etc are really RILED UP by your arguments, and that this emotion is stronger than the one you feel when you are just proven wrong in a logical argument. I think their reaction is so strong because in their times, being a husband was a HUGE part of someone’s identity, I think we can even say it’s at the CORE of someone’s life, more than probably anything… Read more »