Well another year has come and gone. I generally view the end of August as my year marker for The Rational Male. I didn’t add a page for year 4 since I’m not sure I want to clutter up the top of my blog layout with links pages, but I may yet combine the best of years 4 and 5 into one page.
A lot has happened in this span, I began the Red Pill Monthly talks with Niko Chosky. I still think I sound like a nasally teenager when I hear my voice, but the feedback has been nothing short of amazing on these so I believe we’ll continue with them for the foreseeable future.
Right after my year 4 best-of I did my first liv appearance in Vegas with Christian, Goldmund and Tanner Guzy at The Man in Demand Conference. I’ve discussed doing another one with Christian McQueen and we’re looking into venues for 2017. This was just an overwhelming experience to meet up with my readers in person, do the talk and have dinner at Sinatra’s. This was the first time for me to do an on premise event and I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t a nervous wreck the night before, but every guy in attendance just impressed me to no end and the whole thing was something I’ll remember for the rest of my life.
I went through the process of having the audio mastered (courtesy of Sam Botta) to make it available via DigiRAMP for anyone to get a hold of now too.
Probably the biggest TRM news of 2016 was the release of the audio book of The Rational Male. It was a long time coming, but I think well worth the wait. I’ve come to believe that a book needs a time to mature into what its overall reception will be. The Rational Male book continues to sell very well and my focus has always been on emphasizing the printed book above all else since I feel that medium is the best to spark discussions and pass along to men who need it at the right time. That said, Sam Botta convinced me that men listen to books more than they read them so I thought the time was right and he’d just gotten back in the saddle so to speak after his debilitation in a hit & run car incident.
The book has exceeded any expectation I ever had for it and I still receive emails and tweets about how it’s changed men’s lives in the best possible way. The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine is also doing far better than I’d hoped if not eclipsing the first book. Sam and I are now in the process of doing the audio for TRMPM and I expect it will go live in early 2017.
The blog traffic continues to grow too.
As most readers know, I do very little self-promotion for TRM and I only advertise the book on the TRP reddit forum and posting occasional Amazon reviews on Twitter. I always want the the message of this blog and my work to be relayed by the men who read and contribute to it. I’m a believer in the bottom up plan for improving men’s lives and ultimately the social order we find ourselves. I’m glad to see men passing on what they learn here. I’m happy to be able to focus on my ideas and have men spread the word for me.
I’ve done art direction and brand management for over two decades now. It’s what I do for a living so it wouldn’t be a stretch for me to convert TRM into a similar commercial success, but that’s never been my goal. From the outset I wanted to just do what I do and talk about the ideas I’ve come to or the dots I’ve connected. That isn’t to say I don’t appreciate making a little money from it, but I’ll never compromise my message to sell more books or start a Patreon site.
I’ve had guys tell me I should quit my day job and write full time, but I’ve never really needed to be an author for my livelihood. I do quite well for myself and not being beholden to being an official author allows me the freedom to do what I do without the concern of having to write ‘for’ anyone. I know there are guys whose schtick is to treat their writing like a product and they tell you to write for what your audience wants to read, but I think this inherently compromises the authenticity of the real message.
My goal isn’t to sell books, it’s to genuinely change men’s lives for the better with the tools and truths I present in my work. The Rational Male isn’t a ‘product’ for salesmen to sell, it’s a collection of ideas that, really, we’re all responsible for authorship of. Ideas are a hard thing to suppress, and they last far longer than the men who conceived them.
Honestly, when I started this blog back in 2011 I never imagined it would grow into what it’s become today. I have some plans now to do a site redesign. I’ve never really focused on the look of the blog, I just poured myself into its content, but I think after 5 years I’ll freshen the look up soon. I’m also in the middle of the first round of edits for my third book, the working title being The Rational Male, The Red Pill. That may change, but the primary focus will be on defining what the Red Pill is from an intersexual dynamics perspective. As a matter of policy I generally refrain from being too prescriptive for individual men to apply their Red Pill awareness, but in the new book I’ll break this rule and provide some generally applicable ways to live in a Red Pill paradigm.
Red Pill parenting and family interactions in a feminine-primary social order will feature prominently. Yes, it will include selections from the blog again, but with each I’ve added what I believe are general solutions to Red Pill problems, plus more new content.
Well, that’s it. I continue to be humbled by the response and reception of The Rational Male and I want to extend my true gratitude for everyone’s input, participation, reading my ideas and helping me do what I do – even the critics and detractors make me a better Red Pill author. So here’s what I thought represents the best posts from year 5.
Let me know what your favorites were in the comments and let me know how TRM has helped you as well.
With much gratitude,
Rollo Tomassi
Interviews
The Feminine Imperative
Parenting
Red Pill / Game
Positive Masculinity
Hypergamy
Social
Some good reads to add to list.
https://bookofpook.neocities.org/
https://7chan.org/lit/src/Robert_Glover_-_No_More_Mr_Nice_Guy.pdf
https://archive.org/stream/pdfy-vXiSrVKID8X2y4pD/Joseph%20W%20South,%20David%20Clare%20&%20Franco%20-%20Practical%20Female%20Psychology%20for%20the%20Practical%20Man_djvu.txt
Just another blog PSA for everyone (YaReally), if you wish to provide links in your comment, understand that if you link 3 or more your post will go to mod.
I’ll always approve, but that doesn’t mean I’ll get to it the moment after you post, so either limit yourself to 2 links, split your long ass multi-link post into a couple, or be prepared to wait for me to approve as the conversation progresses past whatever it is you wanted to post all the links for.
That is all citizens. Continue.
I’m not really picking on old guys in general, but I think the disconnect is that (some of) you guys see marriage and monogamy as worth saving for some undisclosed reason. I think LTRs are worth having. Kids are worth having. But, marriage and monogamy is not the best strategy to get those things.
We value your advice. We are not trying to shit all over your lives and relationships and life choices. Calm your tits.
“That is all citizens. Continue.”
https://docs.google.com/file/d/16fTPlIF0pgJF7DJc0CnOMamqBtb6GFSqWf7GbGKqZfqIRdqII_mRYTGM4bLQ/preview
Difficulties are just things to overcome, after all.
Sir Ernest Shackleton
http://www.jack-donovan.com/axis/category/3-essays/
Andy “I’m not really picking on old guys in general, but I think the disconnect is that (some of) you guys see marriage and monogamy as worth saving for some undisclosed reason. I think LTRs are worth having. Kids are worth having. But, marriage and monogamy is not the best strategy to get those things. We value your advice. We are not trying to shit all over your lives and relationships and life choices. Calm your tits.” You are missing it… Big time. Here is the question – who is happier? Level 9 Game wizard and Project Hollywood member Nick… Read more »
” . . . you guys see marriage and monogamy as worth saving for some undisclosed reason.” The ideology (the practice was always rather messier than the model) is what allowed the development of a higher order civilization capable of blessing us with . . . . . . the iPhone and social media. ‘A nation is born stoic, and dies epicurean.’ –Durant This is the first time we’ve been through this on a global scale, but it isn’t the first time we’ve been through this. Few nations have ever gone epicurian and returned to stoicism. Those few that have… Read more »
@Andy – Wouldn’t it be more accurate to say that marriage and monogamy doesn’t seem worth it to you? Each man must make that choice. I think the big problem with this conversation is the presumption of universality wrt these choices. As I said, we are all differently situated and abled, so our choices must be grounded in our own reality, or “Realm”. Like for you, it might be okay if your wife left you after a Girl’s Night Out where her friends tell her you are being a pig and a lowlife, and she “wakes up”. Other guys might… Read more »
From a subjective point of view – AFCs gonna AFC.
Because i am a man.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWIYLNmKisM
“Always meet your commitments. Do more than is expected of you. Do things faster than expected. Achieve better results than expected. Do all of the above with integrity and with little fanfare.”
― Mark Divine
http://judoinfo.com/pdf/Kill_or_Get_Killed.pdf
KFG “From a subjective point of view – AFCs gonna AFC.”
You and Scribb are bringing it today…
when I acted like an AFC… I got AFC results… and today, after everything (teen fumblings, first girl I banged cheating on me, alpha college plates daze, runaway LTR, marriage for 25 years, Game for 5 years) i will STILL get AFC results….
when I act like an AFC – with wife, with girls, with business… all aspects of life…
@ Andy I have no disconnect at all. I’ve always maintained that guys should do whatever suits them, not just in marriage/ltr, but in life generally. But the current narrative is super lopsided. I don’t give one tiny fuck about the death of marriage. I care about the truth in broader experience, and what I choose to do. The only undisclosed reasons I have are my own personal ones. I have no need of desire to watch my personal reasoning be mischarecterized and belittled for no discernible reason than ” interwebs “. Even though I know that 90‰ of guys… Read more »
Blax
“Even though I know that 90‰ of guys don’t have the knowledge of work ethic to build harems or pLTR’s”
Grass always seems greener – but you still need to mow the fucker…
“But the current narrative is super lopsided.”
On the edge of the world.
But if we fall off, at least I’ll get to see the turtles, so I guess that’s something.
@ Sentient
Yup, I’m reading scrib and kfg twice. Lol.
A BILL OF ASSERTIVE RIGHTS I: You have the right to judge your own behavior, thoughts, and emotions, and to take the responsibility for their initiation and consequences upon yourself. II: You have the right to offer no reasons or excuses for justifying your behavior. III: You have the right to judge if you are responsible for finding solutions to other people’s problems. IV: You have the right to change your mind. V: You have the right to make mistakes—and be responsible for them. VI: You have the right to say, “I don’t know.” VII: You have the right to… Read more »
“Wouldn’t it be more accurate to say that marriage and monogamy doesn’t seem worth it to you? Each man must make that choice.”
@scribblerg
True.
@Sentient
“You are missing it… Big time.”
I absolutely AM. lol. Please help me.
“Here is the question – who is happier?”
No idea. Both seem pretty happy to me.
@scrib
Excellent post @ 9:12am. Well said. Conveys my thoughts on the issues exactly.
First
Observe self under pressure.
Demonstrate Dominance and Verbal stimulation.
Examine own belief system
https://realchristianmcqueen.com/2016/03/18/an-exclusive-guide-to-damaged-women-ignore-at-your-own-risk/
Leadership
Ambition
Self reliance
Andy You’ve answered your own question 😉 Now what do they have in common? +++++++++++++++++++++ When you do go into something… go in aware, think about contingencies but ACT, always ACT like you do not have any and commit/execute. http://burningboats.com/about-burningboatscom/ “But, ironically, it would only just be 3 words which Cortés’ murmured, that would change the history of the New World. As they marched inland to face their enemies, Cortés ordered, “Burn the boats.” It was a decision that should have backfired. For if Cortés and his men were on the brink of defeat, there wasn’t an exit strategy in… Read more »
@Andy: thanks for your comments. I know you love your kids but boy am I glad I don’t have any. @Sentient: precisely, if it is blowing up I’d much rather decide when than have that decided for me. @Scribblerg: thank you for your concern. I was worried for a while about you too, but you reported some weeks ago that you finally stopped worrying about what your daughter thinks about you. I think that was really holding you down. I don’t think “I am RP” in that sense. I learnt about RP 1-year ago, I’m sure I haven’t internalized it… Read more »
” . . . if Cortés and his men were on the brink of defeat . . .”
And contrary to the way the story is normally told, defeated they were. Not just defeated, but the handful who survived the battle were in total rout, fleeing for their lives back to the coast; where there were no boats.
And then they won.
kfg
http://www.nebraskapress.unl.edu/pages/catalogs/2015acadcat.pdf
“You’ve answered your own question😉 Now what do they have in common?”
Got game. I agree, game is the answer for every man.
“When you do go into something… go in aware, think about contingencies but ACT, always ACT like you do not have any and commit/execute.”
Good advice, but isn’t that what we’re doing? Figuring out how to make ltr’s and raising kids work. I feel like I’m either dumb or speaking Greek here.
Andy
“Good advice, but isn’t that what we’re doing? Figuring out how to make ltr’s and raising kids work. I feel like I’m either dumb or speaking Greek here.”
http://www.tcm.com/mediaroom/video/321125/Old-Man-And-The-Sea-The-Movie-Clip-The-Great-DiMaggio.html
Patterns of ideals…
https://eclass.upatras.gr/modules/document/file.php/LIT1952/Hemmingway,%20Ernest%20-%20Men%20Without%20Women.pdf
And then there is the battle cry of the legendary 10,000 who took a journey down country to the sea:
“The enemy has us surrounded. The poor bastards, they can’t get away from us this time.”
@Sentient “DisgruntledEarthling – did your “girlfriend” put in half of the cost of the house for the half she got on exit?” I fucked up royally there. I couldn’t figure the math on that one. She almost got me to pay twice for my half of the vehicle and I pushed back with the true costs/ownership etc… She didn’t argue the point. I wonder if she wasn’t laughing at me at the time about the fuckup on the house. I just wanted her out asap and also to keep the farm for the kids. So yeah, I may have shafted… Read more »
Andy ” Now what do they have in common?” Got game. I agree, game is the answer for every man.” Game sure they have that in common, but what else? Where do you think they are on frame? Pussy Pedestalization? MPO? Self actualization? Ego? On executing a dynamic, passionate and authentic life? Can you see how the whole “woe’s marriage” and “A Dummy’s Guide to Unbreakable Pre Nups for a Happy Marriage” thing is just a huge, huge red herring to the real issues? As always – WHO are you? What makes YOU happy? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDD1UaKxzzM Good advice, but isn’t that… Read more »
Sentient, Hunter S., and the rest of you asking for nested comments: Nested Comments are a terrible evil. Please don’t ask for this, and Rollo please don’t do it. Nothing destroys the sense that this is a conversation faster than having it devolve into a lot of little side-conversations, that you can’t keep up with because they’re happening all over the place rather that as new comments at the bottom. The great folks here are only part of the reason this comment section is so good; another part is the lack of nested comments. I’ve lived through transitions to nested… Read more »
@IAS – I get it. Glad to know you do too. We are all on our own journey here, in the sense of our circumstances, starting point, abilities, desire, values etc It’s a balancing act to hash this out for all of us. I’m just grateful there is someplace I can do so. I just noticed I’m actually helping to build consensus here, lol. Who the fuck am I? Fuck this. You guys are bunch of fucking poser, prick, BSer, keyboard warriors…Aw fuck it, I just don’t have it in me these days to go all instant asshole. MiniFR –… Read more »
disgruntledEarthling
Kudos for honesty… I like your style sir.
But seriously do not worry… you have discovered a magic way to convert Divorce Rape into consensual sex… your invention will be trumpeted by the #NeverMarryDivorceRapeHalfAssetsWHAAAAA crowd for a generation.
Does fuck up the punchline on the old joke though… Why is divorce so expensive? Because it’s worth it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Wf-mRo7C2I
Scribblerg… #Freshmeat
Hah, having spent a bunch of time with three girls now ensconced on campus – my my my… the world is really overflowing with slim attractive young girls… and they ALL look the same…
“Nested Comments are a terrible evil. Please don’t ask for this, and Rollo please don’t do it. Nothing destroys the sense that this is a conversation faster than having it devolve into a lot of little side-conversations, that you can’t keep up with because they’re happening all over the place rather that as new comments at the bottom.”
I would ask for a link to the most recent comments, but it would be selfish since I cant figure out how that is implemented in WordPress.
I’ve experimented with nested comments in the past, but most readers hated them because they broke the continuity of the whole discussion. I understand they’re useful for sub-conversations, but they usually gum up the comments with tons of subscript replies that cram over to the left until the comments are a mess.
I’ll see if I can find an alternative, but it’s been my experience that commenters hate them, has that changed for everyone?
@divorce:
“ESQ: Collecting wives is an expensive hobby.
Clint Eastwood: Yeah, cut out the middleman. Just find somebody you hate and buy ’em a house.”
😀
http://www.esquire.com/entertainment/a46893/double-trouble-clint-and-scott-eastwood/
Rollo
Putting all comments on one page would be a middle ground… it wastes too much time to go over 5 or more pages to reply
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kd070Hf8XK4&index=3&list=RD6Wf-mRo7C2I
Such a good RP movie… Dazed and Confused
Wrong clip above…
This is the one
https://youtu.be/kd070Hf8XK4?list=RD6Wf-mRo7C2I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kd070Hf8XK4
??? Last time
“Can you see how the whole “woe’s marriage” and “A Dummy’s Guide to Unbreakable Pre Nups for a Happy Marriage” thing is just a huge, huge red herring to the real issues?”
I guess I would take that as work on yourself and everything else will work itself out. In the end none of it matters anyway (including kids (or not)) in our little meaningless existence. Happiness is a choice, there is no spoon, etc. lol.
In other words mindset IS all that matters. Maybe you’re right.
@Sentient – I think the HB in the aviators just walked in, lol. Except this one has a tight, short skirt on. Yummy…And on her way out, as I was wolf-looking her, she couldn’t help but snatch a glance at me and smile, as she was walking away. IOI. I would have had to abandon my stuff and chase her down the street, so I let it go. I’m starting over with my game. First is getting my intent straight. What I did when I saw her was just think about how much I wanted to fuck her and just… Read more »
Things matter to a degree because you only have ” X ” amount of years to live.
Don’t waste them confusing yourself. Figure shit out and keep it moving.
The clock….that shit is always ticking.
I say no nesting btw.
The comment at 12:54 is for Andy
” In the end none of it matters anyway ” – Andy
“Well, all I’m saying is that I want to look back and say that I did I the best I could while I was stuck in this place. Had as much fun as I could while I was stuck in this place. Played as hard as I could while I was stuck in this place… Dogged as many girls as I could while I was stuck in this place.”
Don Dawson – Dazed and Confused
such a good RP movie…
http://thoughtcatalog.com/lance-pauker/2013/10/10-profound-quotes-from-dazed-and-confused-that-perfectly-sum-up-what-it-means-to-be-young/
@SJF “At the 10 to 16 years old the children are like soft putty” Dunno, in other cultures they’re out hunting at 10 and having babies at 16. Maybe the UMC is too soft a life to raise real men and women. “And parental influence is tremendously damped at this time, when it is needed the most.” Well which is it, are they moldable like soft putty by everything BUT their parents then? Might as well go through a separation then, they’re not listening to you anyway. “The best time to screw up a future adult is not to be… Read more »
Scribbs
Neg them on being sheep and following the herd… and it sets up the opportunity to challenge them to prove they are different… which provides an opening for them to prove it by doing something with you, which is different.
@rugby The book of pook was one of the first “PUA” materials I read and while a good intro has a lot of the internals wrong. His endorsement of the anti-dump machine for example… Just like Krauser, it filters out any girl who is initially a “no” or on the fence. It’s a numbers game until you get a girl who’s receptive immediately. Instead of being 5 for 5 like mystery wanted, where he’s choosing the girls, the machine only allows for girls who chose you. A lot of his mindsets are just how PUA was framed back then though:… Read more »
@ YaReally ” Looking for the “attempt to impart knowledge” in your spazzy rant or SJF’s delusional UMC bragging and flipping his shit on me for suggesting he might not be an impartial observer of his own kids and community that he thinks are heaven-sent flawless…can’t seem to find that attempt to impart knowledge hmmm…” You can’t see attempts to impart knowledge because you are way too eager to reject others experiences. You want to focus on concentrations of guys having problems ( deadbedroom reddits and the like…) and then hold them up for all to see as some kind… Read more »
Yareally “You clearly know their inner thoughts more than we do from 2 photos.” Two photos? LOL how many gazzilion videos on Tyler did you post alone? Let alone their youtube channels etc. I’m willing to believe video evidence, unless like you know from the inside it is all a scam or something? Is it threatening that Kho is married? “I don’t accept the idea that we should be cool with our fellow man not achieving their biological goals. Provide them a less risky alternative and they may prosper just fine (or fine enough to keep society going).” LOL… men… Read more »
@ YaReally “We can’t admit it’s done and over with because that’s too negative and depressing” Never said any such thing. ” Like why can’t any of you just say “back in my day we felt we had reason to, but now there is NO reason to anymore”? Is it because you’re worried your daughters/granddaughters won’t get married if society shifts that way as a whole? Like what’s the resistance to this.” The thing is, men are individuals. Just because you don’t think something is a good idea for you, doesn’t mean that it is dumb, unrealistic and dead. This… Read more »
Andy Ultimate happiness for a girl is just spitting out babies and serving an alpha dude. That’s it. That’s not how hellicoptering, High Achieving men with Daddy Goggles see it, though. Like I said, some of the biggest feminists I have ever met are daddies because Daddy’s Girl(s) deserve the very bestest of everything all the time. Again I don’t expect any UMC girl to marry before 29.999 because experiences and growing and learning must come first. Career, then marriage. It’s the standard pattern. I’ll check back with my mid-30’s friend who has a wife and multiple kids next week.… Read more »
And.. ” Ya, fuck man, don’t confuse yourself looking at things objectively. Figure shit out, but don’t ACTUALLY figure shit out unless you figure shit out in the way we approve of otherwise you’re negative and retarded and ….” Lol. There is a difference between figuring shit out and being confused. You can go outside and stare at the tires on your car and confuse the shit out of yourself regarding their function, or you can objectively figure out what you’re looking at, sans 1,000 possibilities. If this mode of thinking was always a viable norm, we’d still be naked… Read more »
Blaximus I happen to actually be a systems security/ network admin, so the example given above about the ” old guy applying for the sys admin ” job was telling about an attitude that has become prevalent towards the end of this thread. Blax, would you hire a sysadmin whose knowledge base stopped at Win95 or not? Someone who had basically remained frozen in the past? Would you or not hire such a person for your team, someone who clearly has stopped learning and isn’t going to start. That’s the point. Kudos to you for actually asking young women if… Read more »
“I don’t accept the idea that we should be cool with our fellow man not achieving their biological goals.” I hear ya. “It would be great if every guy could become a super boss, but the reality is they won’t.” But, honest opinion? The average guy is hosed. No way out. No, I’m not being defeatist and I’m still working the Big Board at strategy, but for any guy now alive – it’s done. Things can be changed (and you say you’re about adaptation, not change), but it’s going to get worse before it gets better. And I say that… Read more »
@Blax Just because you don’t think something is a good idea for you, doesn’t mean that it is dumb, unrealistic and dead. This goes for much more besides marriage. There are more than 1 viewpoint. ALWAYS. No. Some things are objectively bad ideas. Having sex with HIV patients. Screaming racial epithets as a white guy rolling through Compton on a moped. Punching cops in the dick. Sticking your dick in a light socket. Getting married as a man in the 21st century. These are all quantifiably poor ideas. They just are. Arguing that they aren’t strikes me as dumb. When… Read more »
@Ya – So there are no circumstances where you’d say a man can manage marriage successfully? In a way, if you believe that, you either believe game doesn’t work in marriage, or that game doesn’t work. I mean, you can game young hotties to blow you in the men’s room of some club – why do you not think that an apex guy like Sentient seems to be can’t game his wife into submission? Honest question, not a pot-stirring. I’m not going to get married again, so I’m with you – but I’m 54, have already reproduced once and don’t… Read more »
Anonymous Reader Again I don’t expect any UMC girl to marry before 29.999 because experiences and growing and learning must come first. Career, then marriage. It’s the standard pattern. The expectation is right… because they all mouth the same things, however the reality does not match up 1 to 1. My 24 YO daughter has been to half a dozen engagement parties this spring/summer and two weddings. All girls 26 and under, all college educated, many with grad degrees, all UC/UMC girls and guys… Yareally used to talk a lot about his Reversion Theory… he should dust it off because… Read more »
kfg And contrary to the way the story is normally told, defeated they were. Not just defeated, but the handful who survived the battle were in total rout, fleeing for their lives back to the coast; where there were no boats. And then they won. Because of the diseases they had brought with them, diseases like smallpox that the Aztecs had nearly zero resistance to. Tenochticlan was a charnal house of dead and dying, bodies in the streets. Truly a triumph of the will of Cortes. Oh, and the Indian allies who hated Aztecs with a fury, sure, them too.… Read more »
KP
Nested Comments are a terrible evil. P
Concur.
Numbering of comments would be useful if WeirdPress allows them.
@ Sentient “Can you see how the whole “woe’s marriage” and “A Dummy’s Guide to Unbreakable Pre Nups for a Happy Marriage” thing is just a huge, huge red herring to the real issues?” This. I’ve tried unsuccessfully to bring up the idea that there are other reasons for relationships being fucked up, but I keep getting shouted down with accusations of Ego Investment(tm) and emotional attachment and whatever else. The concept of AFC’s and Beta’s is well excepted around here…except when it comes to any kind of monogamous relationship. There are more than one reason ( Tinder, social media… Read more »
“Lol. There is a difference between figuring shit out and being confused.” Yea one is a state of being the other is an action, which you are obstructing. “or you can objectively figure out what you’re looking at” We see the tires, now what tool to use? ” I only suggest that guys don’t over complicate things. I NEVER say JUST DO WHAT I DID. Do whatever you want, but do something instead of constant, never ending fantasizing and questioning.” K, got it, do whatever we want unless blax think it’s a waste of time. By “never-ending” you mean the… Read more »
@Scrib So there are no circumstances where you’d say a man can manage marriage successfully? In a way, if you believe that, you either believe game doesn’t work in marriage, or that game doesn’t work. I mean, you can game young hotties to blow you in the men’s room of some club – why do you not think that an apex guy like Sentient seems to be can’t game his wife into submission? The consequence for Game failure in the club is you don’t get laid tonight. The consequence for Game failure in a non-married LTR is you don’t fuck… Read more »
” . . . the Indian allies who hated Aztecs with a fury, sure, them too.” As a primary school child I heard the story as it is usually told, that Spanish horses and steel made them an invincible force: And it didn’t make a damned bit of sense to me. I was already a war gamer and could think of any number of ways to take them out. So I went to the library and found the books that told the story not in the usual way. Cortez was crushed by the Aztecs. Rather than getting on the boats… Read more »
@IAS “if you want to marry them it gives you some statistical improvement on your chances for staying married” YaReally Even then that’s debatable. In the old days where that virgin would only have a few influences in her life in some religious community where everyone behaved, ya, you might have a statistically better chance. But a virgin in a normal city in 2016? She’s just a girl that it’s easy to convince has “missed out on experiences”, whether by an asshole like me at the bar or her girlfriends who want to rationalize their own dick-sucking and bring their… Read more »
@ othergrain Now you’re just being ridiculous. ” K, got it, do whatever we want unless blax think it’s a waste of time. By “never-ending” you mean the month that we’ve been trying to discuss this in our spare time?” exhibit A. Yup, do whatever you want. If you want to waste your time, it is your time. Life won’t get any longer, I can promise you that much. This isn’t a discussion per se. It’s more like dictation and rebuttal. It is the same thing over and over and over and over and over again. pLTR? mLTR? Asset protection?… Read more »
Sun
The risk/reward doesn’t make any sense.
If it doesn’t to you you don’t do it.
Risk / Reward does not need to make sense…
Risk Reward of driving 140 MPH Sunday morning on the interstate?
Risk – death, serious injury. reward – I went fast, it was exciting.
Risk Reward of climbing a very tall mountain?
Risk – death, serious injury. Reward – I got exercise, great view.
Risk Reward of starting a business?
Risk – lose all assets, bankruptcy, social stigma. Reward – who knows???? maybe everlasting happiness, riches? Maybe a smaller paycheck.
@ Sun
I. Am. Not. Arguing. In. Favor. Of. Marriage.
@ Sentient
” Risk Reward of driving 140 MPH Sunday morning on the interstate?”
Did just that this past weekend.
It was amaaazzziiiinnnngggg. But it was ill advised and risky and paid no reward except an emotional one.
@Sentient
You know what we call somebody who knowingly takes a legal arrangement that fucks them over to the exclusive benefit of the other party? A sucker. A fool. A dipshit.
But hey, you guys wanna advise dudes to be suckers I guess that’s cool. I mean it’s dickheaded, but if it makes you feel good:
It’s all about the feels anyway.
Scrib
@Ya – So there are no circumstances where you’d say a man can manage marriage successfully? I
The statistics certainly point that way. C’mon, you’re a numbers guy: what’s the average age of first marriage for women? What’s the divorce rate nationwide? For Catholics? For Evangelical Protestants?
YaReally is asking what alternatives to the standard one-sided contract exist. He’s not gotten much of a logical answer, but lots and lots of emotions.
“I. Am. Not. Arguing. In. Favor. Of. Marriage.”
While there are some legitimate differences on the table in this thread, there is also a shit ton of simply talking past each other.
@Blax
I get that, but it’s pretty obvious you’re saying “There’s two sides to every argument” and my point is “No, there often aren’t”.
It’s possible to point out that somebody is objectively wrong. Replies after that are simply gainsay without merit, whether due to deeply held beliefs or just sheer stubbornness. That’s not argument. That’s just childish foot stamping and saying “NUH-UH!”
Sentient
The reality of Feminism is starting to sink in, at least in this SES… T
That’s interesting anecdotally. Perhaps if enough Buffy and Brittany types set a trend, the MC women will come around as well, which will be good.
Because otherwise, “marriage” will be a quaint practice only done by rich people and very religious people.
@ Sentient Just a thought… I live about 5 miles from a group of ” Projects ” ( it may as well be in another world ) where a working model of the ” have kids, don’t marry ” is in absolute full effect. 1200 people crammed into a shitty 6 story building. The guys are indeed carefree, footloose and fancy free. They all mostly have pLTR’s, lol. After a few generations of this activity, things have degenerated to a point that the best course of action would be to launch a small tactical nuke into that complex and save… Read more »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQdkb-7kg2Y
Scribbs… might like it and it’s short…and he touches on authenticity go figure…
@Blax
Key difference is that model involves the father often leaving by his own choice and is enabled by the welfare state. I agree it’s a clusterfuck. It’s exactly what Thomas Sowell predicted would happen for like 40 years. It’s a big part of why we need to end the welfare state. It would curb that kind of problem but still wouldn’t fix the fact that marriage is a legal shit show for men.
@ Sun Man…lol. I say do whatever one wants in the final analysis. I do not have to cosign another man’s decision. I do not have to agree 100%. It does not have to be out of a deeply held belief or stubbornness. Just the fact of telling a married man that marriage is suicide and doesn’t work is illogical to me. If the stance is ” I don’t want to ever get married “, of course I agree and cosign. All of the other yapping is just an exercise in futility at it’s core. Why try to figure out… Read more »
Sun
Is driving 140 MPH worth the risk or not?
I’ll tell you this, if you haven’t done a thorough inspection of your vehicle beforehand and you don’t know what the fuck you are doing and where you are going it may end up much worse than a mere divorce rape…
@Blax
http://www.thelas.info/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/someone-on-the-internet-is-wrong2.jpg
kfg So I went to the library and found the books that told the story not in the usual way. Conquest of New Spain by Diaz is the only source needed. During the rout out of Tenochticlan, the Spaniard’s swords became dull from use. The Aztec weapons had edged volcanic glass that remained sharp. Using Cortez as an example of manly spirit and will triumphing over everything in its path is a fail. Shackleton is a better example, if not for the fact that he’s the reason the Endeavor became icebound in the first place. “Make haste slowly” – some… Read more »
“The guys are indeed carefree, footloose and fancy free. They all mostly have pLTR’s, lol. After a few generations of this activity, things have degenerated to a point that the best course of action would be to launch a small tactical nuke into that complex and save all of the rest of us from that mayhem. But, if I say that the model is unworkable, I sound out of touch and not open minded.” @Blax I don’t remember you mentioning that. I think this is the kind of discussion we want to have. Correlation isn’t necessarily causation, but if you… Read more »
@ Sun
Lol. I will always love youuuuuuu!!!!!!!!!
@Sentient
Oh really?
Blax
I hear you loud and clear… this is an inconvenient fact for many to confront… I posted this clip of the fine young Alpha men of Baton Rouge a few weeks back just on this point… overwhelmingly from single moms… with multiple half siblings from multiple dads…
@Blax
Any motherfucker that can’t laugh at the mirror has problems.
Sun
Not sure what the point is of that vid. You do realize that never married single guys who have kids will pay child support right? Until 18. No matter where you live here in the US.
I hope your condoms are not in that 2-15% range…
Is driving 140 MPH worth the risk or not?
Anonymous Reader
“Using Cortez as an example of manly spirit and will triumphing over everything in its path is a fail”
Cortes is an example of incentives and motivation.
@blax
I’m waiting for a train rn lol, my times already wasted, hbu? If you find no value in the conversation, scroll.
” On your present course, with your present tactics, you will NEVER solve the problem that you speak of.”
Oh THERES the negativity in the thread! There’s the absolutes you detest!
The comments section should be renamed “The Emotional Men” lol
@ Andy ” don’t remember you mentioning that. I think this is the kind of discussion we want to have. Correlation isn’t necessarily causation, but if you have any insights as to WHY it doesn’t work let us know. How do we know that it isn’t just what happens when you pile a shitload of poor people into one spot.” Ohhhh, I have decades of experience with what happens when a shitload of poor people are piled into one spot. But this is not the Blog for that because I would go on and on forever. In the meantime, just… Read more »
@Sentient Your question is apples and oranges. On a track it’s safer than being out in traffic at 60MPH. Not to mention you’re going to do it far less frequently so that pushes the risk down even further. Calculated risk. So yeah, in that case it’s fine. You’ve done the numbers, taken all reasonable precautions, and you’re actually safer than the average person out on the road for their daily commute. Marriage, on the other hand, is a daily assumption of the worst risk especially if you know what you’re in for. Will it be today? Will it be my… Read more »
“You know what we call somebody who knowingly takes a legal arrangement that fucks them over to the exclusive benefit of the other party? ”
An indemnitor.
And I linked an entire article, not just a video.
@ othergrain
Sticks and stones.
It’s not the first time I’ve been called emotional for no reason. And it won’t be the last.
“Fathers need to be present in a child’s life. And I mean a full investment, not some kind of selfish game.”
Yeah. But how does this relate to pLTRs? The whole point of this discussion is that we are looking for a way to keep the Dad around.
Sun
Well my question was on the interstate… have you done north of 120MPH on a public road?
“Every single day doing 140MPH through rush hour.”
Apples and oranges! Holy shit. That is what marriage equates to you…?
@sentient
“Risk Reward of driving 140 MPH Sunday morning on the interstate?
Risk Reward of climbing a very tall mountain?
Risk Reward of starting a business?”
Risk REWARD of getting married or monogamy?
But again, clearly the key is just ALPHA UP, BRO! All day. Every day. For the rest of your life. Without fail or mishap.
Totally doable.
And the reason I’m against it is that I’m clearly not Alpha enough. I don’t work hard enough. I’m against hard work or something. I need to MAN UP!
Sheesh.
“The Aztec weapons had edged volcanic glass that remained sharp.” If I hadn’t grown up back in the Dark Ages when every six year old boy walked around with a knife in his pocket, I would’ve gotten more than a nick the first time I handled an obsidian blade. “Using Cortez as an example of manly spirit and will triumphing over everything in its path is a fail.” Well, I was thinking of it more as an example of simply having to find a way out when there’s no way out. Hardly anybody wanted Odysseus along on the Road to… Read more »
@Sentient Well my question was on the interstate… have you done north of 120MPH on a public road? At 3AM on a brand spanking new strip of well maintained turn pike with nobody around on a freshly serviced bike in perfect condition while wearing full protective gear. Even waited until I was in a section where crosswinds couldn’t even hit me. Yeah. I played the best odds I could to give myself as controlled an environment as possible. I’ve only done it a couple times and now restrict myself to the track. My point still stands: I minimize my risk… Read more »
@hank holiday “Pushed past anyway with usual “hey we’re just going for coffee around the corner is all . . . ah so your husband doesn’t let you talk to other men lol”” lol good ballsy attempts to push it in a no-risk scenario (her hubby isn’t around, VS if he was nearby where this would be dangerous), so props. “but she was insistent so let it drop.” And good calibration. Push it just to see if it’s just a shit-test, and then drop it if it is and leave on a good “can’t blame a guy for trying ;)”… Read more »
@ Andy
Lol, you gotta talk to somebody else about pLTR’s and stuff.
One potential advantage of marriage is that you can pick the mother of your kids. Owen Cook and Mystery didn’t; they got surprises. Not that they have horrible lives or anything.
I mean you could intentionally have kids in a LTR without getting married but that isn’t what anybody in the US does.
never get married if you don’t want kids though. (honestly, when you have kids, you will realize how little weight a marriage w/o kids should have.)