The Best of The Rational Male – Year Six

Last weekend (August 19th) this blog entered into its seventh year, and once more it’s time to do the blog retrospective.

The Books

First and foremost last month I released the third installment in the books’ series, The Rational Male – Positive Masculinity. It’s about a month since its release now and I’ll admit it’s already exceeded my hopes and expectations. I know, everyone says that, but as I’ve learned, most authors struggle to match their earlier successes.

While this is still true of the first book (it still stands as the best seller and most popular) Positive Masculinity seems to resonate quite well with readers. I’ll admit I had some hesitation about focusing a quarter of the book on Red Pill Parenting, but this, it turns out, is exactly what’s catapulted it to a best seller in the Fatherhood and Parenting Boys sections on Amazon. For the initial four and a half weeks the book has held the number one best seller rank in Fatherhood and the number two and number five spot in  Parenting Boys. And for the first week and a half it held the number one best seller spot in Self Help.

At the risk of sounding like I’m glossing myself here, this is an incredible response when you consider the impact this book, written from a Red Pill perspective, might have in a mainstream reading world. It’s a great honor, but also a bit scary considering the social backlash of recent events. All the books continue to make inroads with men (and women) unfamiliar with Red Pill awareness, but the response to Positive Masculinity has been very promising so far. That said, the book is about much more than just parenting – which also adds to its overall appeal – so I’m hoping it will open some new eyes with regards to Red Pill awareness.

As things stand today, Sam Botta is finishing up the reading and mixing of the second book, Preventive Medicine. Sam is still struggling with medical complications due to his hit and run injuries (I’ll let him explain them in the comments), but the hope is still to have the Audible version of book two available in time for the 21 Convention at the end of September. For the audio of Positive Masculinity I’m still deciding as to whether I’ll do the read myself for this one, but my goal is to have it available in Q1 of 2018.

I should also add that the first book has seen its second retranslation. Beginning in Q4 The Rational Male will be available in Polish as well as the previous Korean version. I get a lot of readers asking for translations into Spanish and German (possibly Dutch too). This will be a priority for me in the coming year, so if you are a translator or know one who would like to partner with me to publish these translations please leave me a message on my About page.

Finally, I do have plans in the works to do a re-edit of the first book to address syntax, grammar and spelling issues. Contextually nothing will change, but once this revision is done I’ll be publishing a hardback version of The Rational Male through Barnes & Noble’s self-publishing format.

Blog Traffic

The blog continues to grow with regard to audience. 2016 had a slight decline from the previous year, and 2017 is on track to eclipse it, but the reach of The Rational Male still continues to grow.

I know Alexa.com isn’t the best metric, but it’s largely what most bloggers in the Manosphere use. These are the stats as of August 22, 2017 and I daresay these rankings are respectable for a Red Pill blog that’s never been monetized or advertised in six years. These numbers put me in good company amongst the most notable writers in the ‘sphere (as well as a few Purple Pill ‘life coaches’) and the blog continues to average just under half a million views per month. My general focus for the blog has always been as a delivery device for the message of Red Pill awareness, Game fundamentals and the unmoderated debate of intersexual dynamics. I’m pleased to see that in six years this discussion has proceeded in the same vein for all of them. Furthermore, I find it very encouraging when I’m told by Manosphere outsiders that The Rational Male is the best (sometimes their only) source for rational debate about Red Pill awareness and intersexual dynamics. I am not now, nor will I ever be interested in a Red Pill echo chamber/hug box and for six years the comment section has proven to be a ‘hot kitchen’ in which both critics and advocates can (largely) hash out the Red Pill details.

A lot has been made of free speech advocacy in the ‘sphere for a few years now. My stand has always been one about the free exchange of ideas. The only way an idea’s strength and merit can be tested is in the crucible of open debate. There are a great many Manosphere celebrities banging the gong about free speech who nonetheless block, edit and censor opinions they disagree with on their own forums. One purpose that this blog has is a free and open debate and (with the exception of spam and blatant trolling) will always be open to counterarguments.

The 21 Convention

As most of my regular readers are aware, I’ll be making my only in-person appearance at this year’s 21 Convention in Orlando, Florida, September 28 through October 1st. For more information on this event have a look at my rundown of it here. Furthermore, I’ve done a couple of interviews with 21 Convention founder Anthony Johnson about my participation and the talks I’ll be giving here and here.

If you haven’t made plans or purchased a weekend ticket I would encourage you to do so soon. The convention is getting close to being sold out, but if you have some issue with cost or you have some kind of hardship consideration and you really want to go, please contact myself or Anthony and we’ll work something out for you.

It bears repeating that I was less than enthusiastic about appearing not just publicly, but at this convention in particular. It’s always been my impression that the 21 Convention was a collection of largely Purple Pill dating coaches and not really in line with what (sometimes ugly) Red Pill awareness reveals to men. However, I’ve come to change my view of this convention in light of Anthony’s much more Red Pill focused line up for this 10th anniversary meet up. I’ll admit I had a hand in helping Anthony get what will amount to a Red Pill summit arranged. I really think this weekend will be a seminal event for Red Pill aware men and it’s my hope it will be something to help men change their lives.

This then is my very brief rundown of the 2016-2017 year for The Rational Male.

So here’s what I thought represents the best posts from year 6.

Let me know what your favorites were in the comments and let me know how TRM has helped you this year.

With humility and gratitude,

Rollo Tomassi

 

THE BEST OF THE RATIONAL MALE 2017

Interviews

Live with Obsidian & Alan Roger Currie

Mark Baxter, Ed Latimore & Rollo Tomassi

Anthony Johnson & Rollo Tomassi

Christian McQueen & Rollo Tomassi

Mark Baxter & Rollo Tomassi

 

Hypergamy

Stalling for Time

For Better or Worse

False Equivalencies

The Epiphany Phase Revisited

 

Series

The Reconstruction – I

The Reconstruction – II

The Reconstruction – III

The Reconstruction – IV

The Utility of Beta Men – I

The Utility of Beta Men – II

 

Social

The First Female President®  (Personal Favorite 2017)

Sexual Zoning

The Something Else

Transitioning

The Unbearable Rightness of Being Female

The Anger Bias

 

Red Pill / Game

Please, Breakup with Me

The Awareness

Submission

Confidence and the Safety Net  (Most Commented 2017)

Misperceptions of the Red Pill

 

Personal Development

Rites of Passage

Positive Masculinity

Teaching Slaves to Read

Family Integrity

Kill Your Idols

Published by Rollo Tomassi

Author of The Rational Male and The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine

291 comments on “The Best of The Rational Male – Year Six

  1. interesting take from a professor of psychology at NMU in which he suggests laying the foundation for “… a legal strategy to use the ADA to eliminate campus speech codes that discriminate against neurominorities….”

    sometimes a bit goofy/naive but it improves towards the end

    at the very least, I’m sure it’ll appeal to some of the retards here looking for validation and exoneration

  2. @Sentient: how is there no benefit in having the wife out working?

    Particularly with no kids I don’t see the benefit in having an unemployed wife.
    Beyond the issue that the man shouldn’t have married at all taking into account how the legal marriage contract works in effect, with the possible exception of it being better if having kids (according to HABD in the U.S. system, I don’t want to get back to that debate).

  3. ” I actually rooted for Trump to snap out of it and realize what he was supposed to be doing.”

    by “doing” you mean sucking TPTBs cock…

    Really Blax your Reactionary Progressivism is endearing.

    Meanwhile Columbus Circle monument is on the table… AND Grant’s tomb…

    Hows that for ya…

    Statute of LINCOLN defaced in ChiCongo….

  4. ” Meanwhile Columbus Circle monument is on the table… AND Grant’s tomb…

    Hows that for ya…

    Statute of LINCOLN defaced in ChiCongo….”

    None of that has anything at all to do with me. Nor anyone I know. Or anyone I’ve heard of.

    ” Really Blax your Reactionary Progressivism is endearing.”

    Labels, lol. I’m none of … whatever that is. I’m not a joiner, or a ” believer ” or a supporter… none of that stuff.

  5. IAS

    “Particularly with no kids I don’t see the benefit in having an unemployed wife.”

    First order question – do you see a benefit in having a wife period?

    What is your wife doing at work? How is that helping you? And how is it harming you?

    Simple really.

    A wife who works really stacks the deck against you. Better to have less money (often negligible when you subtract services etc.) and a wife who is attentive to your needs and your mission. Plus lose the alpha boss work wife cucking… The business travel temptations… The why aren’t you like Roger Sterling at work hypergamous drumb beating.

    Better clean laundry, hot food when you want it, availability for sex (not off travelling or working late or bringing work home) and her getting orders from ONE guy.

    This will be an unpopular post bit I doubt many can make strong Red Pill case for their wife working. Except maybe a pimp…

  6. Blax

    “None of that has anything at all to do with me.”

    It will when you are trying to get to Columbus Circle in 2020… Or your grandchildren tell you America was discovered by an Native American girl. Cause they read about it in school.

    Labels are affixed to observations regardless.

  7. ” Labels are affixed to observations regardless.”

    Nah, guys that have to label everything don’t have real understanding. They go for easy and usually arte wrong…. but they don’t care ( which means you can’t take them seriously ).

  8. ” It will when you are trying to get to Columbus Circle in 2020… Or your grandchildren tell you America was discovered by an Native American girl. Cause they read about it in school.”

    I’ve probably looked at that statue a dozen times over my lifetime. Mostly I don’t even see it anymore because it’s a statue and I don’t put feelz and stuff on things that don’t impact me or what I have to do.

    I’ve done a good enough job teaching my kids the importance or teaching your children, and never leave it up to ” The System “, so the whole fantasy thing about grandchildren being taught some more bullshit in school is not a concern. Most of what schools teach is bullshit, and has been for a few generations.

    Plus, I don’t have personal axes to grind with anyone, especially long dead folks.

  9. @sentient – a working wife makes $ and gets insurance coverage as well. My wife carries part of my burden of performance, so that makes my life less stressful and easier. I have time to do hobbies and lift instead of working 80 hours a week.

    A working wife also mitigates against alimony if divorce comes.

  10. The only options to Uber I’m aware of are rentals and/or taxis.
    Boycott would harm my bank account a lot more than theirs so…no thanks.
    If would take more than an email.
    But then, I don’t go on vacations or have nights out I can’t afford either.

  11. @ Sentient

    Vacation and Bills – I’m solvent, but I won’t be out of debt in a year. The wife owns a home-based business and the benefit is that it accelerates debt repayment. The funny thing is that before achieving a better redpill understanding, I allowed my wife to push me/us into refinancing the house to a 15-year mortgage. After experiencing the tighter budgets, she wanted to re-re-finance back to a 30-year, to which I said no.

    @ Blaximus

    I agreed with your statement that statue removal was only considered to be a good idea by people under the age of 40. My overriding point about this is Baltimore is a miserable city with problems that cannot be solved, especially by its incompetent and corrupt leadership. Statue removal will not solve anything but give SJWs something to do with their pointless lives and make the city less attractive. It’s sad that my own daughter probably can’t ID Lee, and she is a product of what is considered to be one of the best public school systems in the nation, and I have taken her to Gettysburg National Military Park. (I could have sworn that it was “Battlefield” and not “Military”—must be more political correctness.)

    If you watch the Schwarzenegger clip again (and I do not recommend it) he placed blame on only one group which he called Nazis. I believe that Trump actually did the right thing in blaming both sides for the violence. This is calibrating to be the leader of all American citizens. He could have rightly stated that had the leftist groups not brought weapons and held a counter demonstration without a permit, there would not have been violence. The lying media portrayed him as a madman. They would not directly quote him, but fomented outrage by mischaracterizing his remarks. I would contrast this to Obama’s racially polarizing remark, “Trayvon Martin could have been me 35 years ago.” Now that is a failure to calibrate!

  12. “There are a great many Manosphere celebrities banging the gong about free speech who nonetheless block, edit and censor opinions they disagree with on their own forums…”

    A particularly egregious example comes to mind and it drives me nuts every time I read him lamenting about the restrictions on free speech that the “other side” is pushing through with increasing frequency these days. He even has a book about free speech!

  13. @Roused

    What on Earth are you talking about?

    I think I mean what you said here: “many male newsrooom employees are very liberal, feminized and highly beta.”

    I extrapolated the feminist editors from the prevalence of the guys you’re talking about and the fact it’s 2017. Figured there would be plenty of feminist editors by now, at many publications. That’s why I wrote – “submit their material to female and/or feminist editors for approval.”

    But – I wasn’t there and you were, so I concede your knowledge base.

    I’ve worked in the business my entire career at media operations far and wide, never once have I seen or even heard of this.

  14. The Importance of the Work of Rollo Tomassi – One Example

    I watched an extremely nauseating youtube TED Talk called “How Movies Teach Manhood” by Colin Stokes (watch?v=ueOqYebVhtc). It was a total white-knighting lecture advocating for his daughter, and condemning his son. It was so bad, I felt compelled to transcribe the money quote below:

    “…I think we really have to show them, and model for them, how a real man is someone who trusts his sisters and respects them, and wants to be on their team, and stands up against the real bad guys, who are the men who want to abuse the women. And I think our job in the Netflix queue is to look out for those movies that pass the Bechdel Test, if we can find them, and to seek out the heroines who are there, who show real courage, who bring people together, and to nudge our sons to identify with those heroines and to say, “I want to be on their team,” because they’re going to be on their team.”

    Stokes’ son should be taken into protective custody. This is child abuse.

  15. LOL you don’t owe me shit SJF. That stuff clearly works for you and that’s enough
    ……….

    Guess how many black dudes in the South even mean my battle flag? Yup 0.

  16. @SJF

    I don’t take any of Ton’s high-IQ/higher education/whatever insults seriously…when he does that shit, he’s probably drunk and I laugh…Ton is an expert at playing dumb as was me dear old mither…

    I’d come back at Ton with hillbilly insults, but I’m a redneck myself.

  17. Ps
    Any shit test you don’t fail is a win of some sort for a lot of men. Don’t worry about being perfect at this shit. Just keep on working it

  18. @ASDgamer

    Here is an example (pay attention Dr. Zipper…) of what I am talking about in paying attention to normal male tribal behavior when one is not a Natural. The tribe is more important at times than your own personal needs to gain status in that tribe.

    What I have to say about that is that I admire and respect SFC Ton for who he is and what he writes about. I’m not in competition with him for merit in a hierarchy of men. If I was in a room with him, I would defer to him and his masculine Alpha bred status. He’s good at being a man and has super virtues of strength (physical, spiritual, social dominance), courage, mastery over what he wants to do and I presume honor among his men.

    It’s about tribal cohesiveness and advancing the cause of The Red Pill and sexual strategy. It’s not about me taking him down to bring myself up. I admire and respect his masculine stance and his masculine talk. It is a masculine touchstone. (a standard or criterion by which something is judged or recognized.) And right back at him: IT WORKS for HIM.

    And Oh Yeah, I’d keep my wife out his eyesight in a social situation. I don’t often mate guard, but if I were to do it, it would be around SFC Ton.

    It’s OK to give merit in a group where merit is due. It is OK to defer to more Alpha Males in a group. To do otherwise is to have a lack of confidence in one’s own status and merit. Whether internal or external.

    Ton has social proof because he deserves it. I see virtues he has that I would aspire to. Not to copy, but to have as congruent personal features.

    https://therationalmale.com/2015/02/02/the-art-of-amog/

    “Both the nervous Beta and the PUA like to encourage the idea of an AMOG as being the drunk, loud-mouthed frat boy who pushes you aside to get to the girl at the bar you’re sarging (“Step aside McFly!”), but the Alpha Male of the Group to really consider is the guy women can’t stop talking about when he’s not even present. He’s the guy who leaves the room and girls giddily huddle together to agree about how ‘hawt’ he is. He doesn’t even have to be in the group to be the Alpha of it.

    The best form of social proof is the unsolicited kind. The kind where women can’t help but talk about a guy, and ask his Beta-chump friends how they can get to know him better.”

  19. Re: Wives working.

    It’s up to each individual man according to his particular abilities. I’ve seen having a wife work, and everything was good long term, and I’ve also seen it become an unmitigated disaster. Depends on the dude and his level of understanding and frame. I’ve also seen SAHM’s fucking like crazy while hubby was out getting that cash. The whole ” bored housewife ” thing. Again, depends on the skills that the man possesses.

    Going forward it will become harder and harder for a man to get a job that pays enough to have a wife stay at home, much less raise a family. We’re talking about the vast majority of regular, working Joe’s.

    I’ve also personally witnessed a few guys crack under the pressure of being the sole provider. Particularly in today’s economic climate.

    And if you have to worry about your wife being ” outside of the home “… lol, you’ve got bigger problems brewing.

  20. @Sentient

    So Blax’s line is that BLM is feminist…

    Well, I actually went to their website and found these turds, er, nuggets…

    the tragedy of the murder of Trayvon Martin.

    Black Lives Matter affirms the lives of Black queer and trans folks

    It is an acknowledgement Black poverty and genocide is state violence.  It is an acknowledgment that 1 million Black people are locked in cages in this country–one half of all people in prisons or jails–is an act of state violence.

    Black queer and trans folks bearing a unique burden in a hetero-patriarchal society that disposes of us like garbage and simultaneously fetishizes us and profits off of us is state violence; the fact that  500,000 Black people in the US are undocumented immigrants

    When we deploy “All Lives Matter” as to correct an intervention specifically created to address anti-blackness,, we lose the ways in which the state apparatus has built a program of genocide and repression mostly on the backs of Black people—beginning with the theft of millions of people for free labor—and then adapted it to control, murder, and profit off of other communities of color and immigrant communities

    So, despite the fact that Zimmerman was acquitted despite tremendous pressure to convict him, these “ladies” call him a murderer…they need the lie because it’s convenient for their narrative

    These “ladies” call the incarceration of convicted criminals “state violence”. Someone needs to send a memo to The Innocence Project. Those folks do good work.

    …and slavery was somehow the theft of labor

    …whatever the hell a “state apparatus” is

    Hmm…they also advocate for gay rights

    …and for open borders and against enforcement of immigration laws

    We are working to (re)build the Black liberation movement.

    = agitation for socialism

    globalism

    …fuck yeah, that’s all standard feminism…because feminism is just a particular flavor of socialism

  21. Not Born This Morning
    August 24, 2017 at 7:15 am

    Did you just wake up from a deep coma or what? That was the oddest red pill comment ever.

    Mainstream media is the venue for the Matrix to disseminate the lies in the code and tries to write the code to shape, direct and narrate it’s Blue Pill imperative. It depends on Blue Pill ideology. Because it’s audience is Blue Pill and the Media produce a product to be consumed by the masses.

    There are plenty of men that are masculine in the Media, but they need to be Blue Pill, White Knights and Agents of the Feminine Imperative in order to operate.

    You just discovered this waking up and watching T.V. this morning?

    YGBFSM.

  22. Has anyone ever pointed out how many other places exist to discuss politics, and how few places there are to discuss Rollo’s writings?

  23. And not to get too faggy…

    but –

    ” What I have to say about that is that I admire and respect SFC Ton for who he is and what he writes about. I’m not in competition with him for merit in a hierarchy of men. If I was in a room with him, I would defer to him and his masculine Alpha bred status. He’s good at being a man and has super virtues of strength (physical, spiritual, social dominance), courage, mastery over what he wants to do and I presume honor among his men. ”

    I see Ton differently ( funny talking about him like he’s not even here reading… lol ). I respect Ton because I’m sure that he’s going to say what he means. I’ll never be scratching my head wondering if he meant what he said, or if there was a double meaning. I respect the hell out of that because it’s becoming more and more rare.

    Ton and I probably have some issues we differ on, but what we agree on outnumber what we disagree on. He reminds me of men from a different time and place, that helped school me as a youngster, and they gave no shits about your feelings or whether you agreed or disagreed.

    ” And Oh Yeah, I’d keep my wife out his eyesight in a social situation. I don’t often mate guard, but if I were to do it, it would be around SFC Ton.”

    Ton, what do ya think? Lol.

    I think if you knew Ton, really knew him, you’d not have to mate guard like you think. Now, your wife can’t strip naked in front of him and dare him to fuck… that could be dangerous, but I think we read Ton much differently on that count. Besides, he has plenty of pickings.

  24. asd, you crack me up.

    ” So, despite the fact that Zimmerman was acquitted despite tremendous pressure to convict him, these “ladies” call him a murderer…they need the lie because it’s convenient for their narrative ”

    Apples and Oranges. What BLM thinks about Zimmerman is immaterial, as there are actual millions of ” people ” that don’t want George locked up…anymore. They want him to catch a few rounds.

    I’m good with that.

    So you picked a subject from their website that’s a non-starter. No shits are given to what they ramble on about as they don’t represent too much more than themselves. Again, for posterity, these are numbers

    http://www.mmm-jamaica.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/themmm_1280x1280.jpg

    BLM can’t pull numbers because a majority,Majority or black men are not down with following a women’s, feminist movement. Keep reading their propaganda though…..

  25. Blaximus
    What BLM thinks about Zimmerman is immaterial, as there are actual millions of ” people ” that don’t want George locked up…anymore. They want him to catch a few rounds.

    I’m good with that.

    Sigh.

  26. @ AR

    Yeah, sorry. Fuck George Zimmerman. He’s a celebrity for committing murder and getting off on the charge. Now he runs around bragging about it and posing for portraits with his gun. Like OJ, he can’t just go away after getting off.

    So I’m a believer in bad asses interacting with other bad asses, and whatever the outcome is… oh well. Live by the gun, etc, etc. etc.

  27. @all

    I appreciate those of you who gave affirmations regarding a recent dust up.

    @SJF

    I appreciate you trying to explain and all, but, really, none of what you say is new to me. I am competitive as hell and have always been that way…I avoid fights like they’re the plague…don’t want to get kicked out of my favorite bar…but once I get in one I have to win…three legal fights and I won all three (only needed lawyers for one and I did most of the up front work on the legal issues…they did the precedents and were the mouthpiece)…you CAN fight City Hall…I won my share of fights as a kid…I have my social battles as an adult…main thing is to not give up and have a tough ego and I tend to gain the advantage in those battles as well

    I had social battles as a kid/young adult where I had to take on multiple opponents and was jeered by the crowd…later found out that I gained a lot of status by standing up for myself even when jeered…holding frame…some of my high school friends with whom I cruised were cool so I was probably considered cool, too, but didn’t realize it because I also had friends who were geeks.

    …when someone insults me by calling me autistic, it reminds people what I have overcome and demonstrates my value…and when I don’t reply to that insult, but ignore it as beneath my notice, it shows more value…(I surely was obsessive about socialism recently, wasn’t I? lol)…and me being obsessive about socialism recently allowed me to make a significant observation regarding organizations/communities that have successfully fought socialism…so, the obsessive part of autism is both a curse and a super power because it sharpens focus

    …so, thanks for your mentorizationing or something, lol…I’ll surely tell you if something you say is helpful

    …no need to apologize in advance for using figurative language (that’s weak)…(note that Ton said the same thing, so there’s agreement and confirmation)

    …dominance among alphas often goes back and forth among them when they’re in a social context and reinforces their value and strengthens the group…a matrix dominance model…if someone fails to yield dominance when appropriate, it causes friction and strife and weakens the group

  28. I think if you knew Ton, really knew him, you’d not have to mate guard like you think. Now, your wife can’t strip naked in front of him and dare him to fuck… that could be dangerous, but I think we read Ton much differently on that count. Besides, he has plenty of pickings.

    Blaximus, I wasn’t impugning Ton. I was glossing him on his Masculine Style. My wife is attractive to other men big time and she has high self esteem and is feminine. So my comment was contextual. And it was joking.

    Because

    Separately, I had some mate guarding issues two months ago. And due to my competence everything turned out great for now. That was the genesis of sub-conscious joking in reference to Ton. AWALT all the time. It’s on me to be attractive and desirous enough to not have to rigorously mate guard.

    I took the high red pill road. And the masculine non-beta route. I don’t know the extended details, nor did I look into them. Nor did I show anything else but me being in my Frame without weakness. I was non-plussed. The outcome followed a well honed script of what should happen in a red pill game book.

    I could not have done what I did that turned out great without red pill knowledge or good solid MRP game.

    The last chapter in Franco’s Manual of Seduction had this excerpt (and if you have any issues with it, it is in context of the whole chapter and the whole book). He was a Seducer like Cassanova and I think he was married in some fashion for some time.

    I had internalized this over the last three years: I just recalled it recently by going back to check on a reference and was like holy shit, I had gone over that scenario before:

    – Don’t care about her fidelity. No individual can be controlled and every human being on this planet wants to make love with several people.

    Worrying about your wife’s fidelity is in practice the same as being in the subservient mental position. She will realize it within a second and she will use it for sure to control you. If someone “must” be jealous then it’s much better that it is for her to have that role.

    You must be women’s selector and not the opposite. In order to be a selector you must not be controlled. How could you be royal and in the selector position while at the same time being controlled?

    – Love, protect her, be a support to her and to your children, but never accept any lack of respect, never loose your dignity, never make her sure of having you.

    In order to be a man you need to be able to be alone.

    Women are not made to protect a man’s insecurities. Only a three-year-old child believes in the existence of a pure woman who never betrays him. Such a woman doesn’t exist in the adult world.

    An Alpha man, a High Status Man loves his own woman like a lion loves his cubs: he knows they are dangerous and he can bite them as needed while he feeds them.

    Every other way of loving a woman leads to the destruction of her sexual desire and to an unhappy union.

    There was also the thing yesterday when Redlight brought up a mate guarding thing on Ask MRP where a guy was asking last minute questions on how to hurry up and get his wife not to go on a potential kayaking trip with her girl friend and two other guys.

    It is on the guy to not let his wife branch swing because she feels it at the moment.

  29. ” There was also the thing yesterday when Redlight brought up a mate guarding thing on Ask MRP where a guy was asking last minute questions on how to hurry up and get his wife not to go on a potential kayaking trip with her girl friend and two other guys. ”

    Oh Jesus.

  30. There was also the thing yesterday when Redlight brought up a mate guarding thing on Ask MRP where a guy was asking last minute questions on how to hurry up and get his wife not to go on a potential kayaking trip with her girl friend and two other guys.

    lol…it’s sad, but funny at the same time

  31. @ASDgamer

    I know what you are saying about fighting. I had to set one of my buddies strait a couple weeks ago. And I think I commented about it recently. Yeah, that one where KFG said that even though I claimed that he took one for the Tribe, the Tribe wasn’t OK because of my buddies lingering resentment would poison the tribal dynamic.

    My buddy was up against a guy with high merit in the tribe (not good could come of him starting a brawl and it wouldn’t have elevated my buddies status among the elites, only the lower status tribe members). And the guy he was up against had an easy going personality, but probably was a rigid engineer beneath the surface.

    My buddy claimed his heart (the lonely hunter), just like you ASD would trigger the instinct to pounce on a fight for dignity. I corrected him, though, it wasn’t his heart that made him want to punch, it was his mind and his Ego that was trying to claim status in the group after being dissed by the guy.

    So status is a thing. And merit has it’s due. And you are privileged to have a crew and there is honor in the crew. Take your place. Prove your worth for the goal of the tribe.

    I’m an intellectual, not a fighter. You wouldn’t look at me IRL and guess that. But I have a legacy where that got me got me everywhere, it made all the difference. And I love it. I was the normal looking social, athletically competent and in high social strata among the high level intellectual classes in school. I was the non-nerd intellectual.

    I wouldn’t fight if I had a choice, wouldn’t hesitate, but never need it. I got my own Frame and never need to get drawn into a Fight Frame.

    And as far as autism. I’m not Autistic but I highly, highly value high-functioning autistic traits. They are actually pretty masculine and they pretty much dispense with emotions in a masculine way to get the job done when it needs to get done.

    There is not lack of merit in high functioning autism and that is why Mersonia is a whiny little emotional dick when he posts and emoji to criticize you.

    I’d choose a high functioning autist on my post-apocalyptic tribe any day of the week.

    And as far as Sparring. That’s what men do when there is a lull in having real opponents to fight. It is practice it keep a male group on it’s toes for when the real fight needs to go down. Nothing wrong with sparring in a male group. You might get a few scratches, but it is not for nothing.

  32. Blaximus
    August 24, 2017 at 5:21 pm

    It wasn’t really an Oh Jesus moment. The guy just thought it was. It was a normal course of life. The original poster could be thought of of Oh Jesus you dumbfuck. I think the guy was just having either a clueless, weak or vulnerable three months.

    But all this stuff is figure-able and has a wide basis in over a decade of manosphere thought and prescribed action.

    The regular commentariat at MRP reddit really has some great stuff.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/askMRP/comments/6vbjov/just_found_you_devouring_the_links_on_the_right/?ref=share&ref_source=link

  33. I’m drunk(er then usual) but the job was just a job. Plenty of hard as mother fuckers in the world who dnt get the same level of PR

    When o say I want men to be like me I ain’t saying the same job, hobbies Ton clone etc but living at the highest possible level, wild, free and occasionally sober

  34. And here we go with the education of Dr. Zipper on what is going on below the surface with sub-communication within a male space. Tribal sub-communication.

    Take this comment by theasdgamer August 24, 2017 at 5:06 pm

    What he is doing here is DEERing as in the Robert Glover book No More Mr. Nice Guy a staple of the side bar of MRP.

    He is defending, explaining, excusing and rationalizing his former comments.

    See how that works?

    (no offense ASDgamer. I’m just observing what you do. Not what you say. I give you high merit. You know that. You are not at fault here. It is just instinctual for you. )

    Attempting to Game women is one thing. Getting along with males in a male space is entirely different.

    I would claim that getting along and having status in a male group is an entirely good way to gain access to esteem and then gain the desire dynamic with women. I can read the code. I see this in comments and field reports here for the last three years. It is often overlooked as a way to get into woman’s pants.

    It is intrinsic to Mystery Method. It is intrinsic to the Naturals in masculine Game. Cultivating the status and leader of men in a guy group is a thing. I’m just pointing it out. Cause I have reference experiences in doing that.

  35. Blax stay strong and don’t be a lurker your input is much appreciated. Most of these guys think al sharpton and rev jessy Jackson is the voice of the American black man. They don’t know a joke when they see one. They only know what they see on a tv box.

  36. @Ton

    I’m drunk(er then usual) but the job was just a job. Plenty of hard as mother fuckers in the world who dnt get the same level of PR

    Cue Frank Sinatra and his I Did It My Way

    This shit is spelled out. For us non-Naturals.

    Some of us did it our way and it turned out well because we did it in masculine fashion. I know I did and it turned out well.

    Whatever Ton just said incomprehensibly, he held to his purpose and he did things better than the next male beside him, because of masculine tactical virtues. He did his “JOB” well. Because he was on task. And never wavered with masculine tactical virtues along the way.

    I surmise his statement above was a walk-back that is trying to say: NO BIG DEAL. But that is the sine qua non of the masculine Burden of Performance. And it works. It really works.

    The job wasn’t just a job. He attacked the issues he needed to do in his job. Rather than just put in time. It is totally apparent when you read him and his stuff. He did the work and it was no big deal.

    And that made all the difference. Him blazing his trail.

    It’s the way of men done right.

    It’s a thing. God forbid I point out some of the man’s way from prototypical Red Pill. I won’t even cite the book. Cause at this point the source is irrelevant:

    Part One: A MAN’S WAY

    1. Stop Hoping for a Completion of Anything in Life
    2. Live With an Open Heart Even If It Hurts
    3. Live As if Your father Were Dead
    4. Know Your Read Edge and Don’t Fake It
    5. Always Hold To Your Deepest Realization
    6. Never Change Your Mind Just to Please a Woman
    7. Your Purpose Must Come Before Your Relationship
    8. Lean Just Beyond Your Edge
    10. Enjoy Your Friend’s Criticism
    11. If You Don’t Know Your Purpose, Fucking Discover It, Now
    12. Be Willing to Change Everything in Your Life
    13. Don’t use Your Family As an Excuse
    14. Don’t get Lost in Tasks and Duties
    15. Stop Hoping For Your Woman to Get Easier

  37. There are few TRP blogs mentioned here in comments. What’s baffling to me is how many of these TRP, anti-SJW, redpill blogs (namely IllimitableMen, Black Label Logic, Roissy, etc) are published on WordPress.com platform owned by that very establishment they are against. Some are even on paid accounts. Baffling…

  38. @SJF

    What he is doing here is DEERing

    Nope…just explaining…sometimes you have to do that for people who don’t “just get it”. If you check the language, there’s no supplication or excusing in it. (I’m really being quite kind to you here. I figure you mean well, but you aren’t reading me well.) Accept me or don’t–it’s up to you and my feewings won’t be hurt if you don’t. I try not to bore people by talking about my current obsession. If you haven’t figured it out yet, I’d talk the same way to Blax or Ton in person as I do on line…although I’m way more charming in person because of my nonverbal signals which don’t carry over on line and this would affect both Ton and Blax. (Kfg seems more immune to charm.) Assume that there’s usually a twinkle in my eye when I say something obnoxious.

    Despite the refrain, “demonstrate, don’t explicate,” sometimes you have to explain to a woman. Especially how she fucked up. I’ve had to do that more than once with Mrs. Gamer and daughter Gamer because their social understanding is not up to mine. Their real time skills are better, but they don’t have the understanding. Mrs. Gamer doesn’t offend accidentally and daughter Gamer will dominate all the girls in the room like a queen bee…daughter Gamer will attempt to not dominate the men, but I was her social role model, pre-Red Pill and pre-autism diagnosis…smh

    I wouldn’t worry at all about daughter Gamer around Ton…Mrs. Gamer, a little…I’d keep my eye on her, assuming I wasn’t distracted by one of Ton’s beauties, lol. I’m sure Ton hasn’t forgotten that my first girl was poached. But just about any girl has to be poached.

  39. @ Keith

    Lol, thank you. In the sphere, I usually don’t know what most guys are angrily talking about and the references they use to bolster their arguments.

    I do apologize to the rest of the commenters, and Rollo, because this isn’t the forum for the discussions I’ve been engaging in of late, and I’m sure most readers are like ” wtf is his problem?”… lol. But here I can speak back to some of the inaccuracies where most other sites that engage in rampant political fuckery love to ban my ass, and everyone else that doesn’t fit inside the giant, daily echo chamber of bullshit they love to participate in.

    But I’m going to dial it way back ( or really try to ) out of respect for the rest of y’all and Rollo’s work. I don’t want to come off as some kind of militant douche.

    But one last…

    Re: Jackson and Sharpton – Lol, I’ve been denying them as ” leaders ” for over 30 years now. The last bit of proof of their non-leadership came in this past election, when they tried to strong-arm the Black vote in favor of Hillary. We rejected that bullshit because – Hillary. We were shamed and belittled in some corners of the tiny black media, but basically zero fucks were given. We did not come out in support of her. Even knowing that this meant that Trump could possibly win. Now that is saying something. Lol.

    Jessie is so old that he can barely speak coherently now, and Sharpton is relegated to MSNBC and satellite radio. They lead nothing, and haven’t for a generation.

    But history repeats, and now the sphere is all aglow with BLM and Chicago. 42 million black folks do not live in one city, lol ( 46 million if you count the ” mixed ” folk…. like my daughter ).

    And I could never say these things at Roosh or Heartiste. They have their narrative and it is unwaveringly wrong.

    Anyway, I’m going to cut it out.

    But thanks anyway for the wordz.

  40. Ton
    “Don’t worry about being perfect at this shit. Just keep on working it”
    Everyday approach… Journal hit Gym Fail get rejected… Embrace… The journey…

  41. “First order question – do you see a benefit in having a wife period?”

    In theory I do, particularly with kids. Which I don’t want.

    With the legal system as it is, I really don’t, particularly without kids. Keep it at the LTR level.

    “What is your wife doing at work? How is that helping you? And how is it harming you?”

    Let’s assume I am in a typical U.S. style jurisdiction with no pre-nup (pre-nups aren’t particularly solid guarantees anyway).

    Benefits are only financial. She gets her salary. Lets say it is a 30-70 split. Alone I get 70, together we have 100. Technically that can have advantages.

    It certainly does in case of divorce (assuming assets divided evenly) it is as if I was only getting 50, but at least it isn’t as if I was only getting 35, which it would be if she wasn’t even earning the 30.

    As BP I also used to think it was more security in case I became unemployed, now I just think the unemployed husband is very likely to get dumped (in my case I think she would just be even more miserable and stick with me anyway, but who knows). Now I’d just rather have my 70 and save for my own security that I can rely on.

    Now let’s assume I’m in a jurisdiction where I am married with (legally!) separate finances.
    Or I am single in LTR.

    She gets her salary. Doesn’t help me much but at least I’m not being a (financial) provider so much, slides a bit more to AF than BB (but you can be a provider regardless of finances).

    In both cases the harm is that she brings the stress home and the “alpha at work” effect may also take place.

    In my case I’m pretty sure her hindbrain (if not even her logical brain) is blaming me for the stress at work.

    That If-I-Fell comment regarding his wife going (paraphrase) “I’m going to quit and I don’t care any more” sounds somewhat familiar.

    “A wife who works really stacks the deck against you. Better to have less money (often negligible when you subtract services etc.)”
    Agreed up to here, so I do think the LTR or marriage with separate finances kind of makes sense… Particularly when I’m perfectly happy with less material goods.

    My wife isn’t even particularly bad in that respect, compared to the typical woman, but I’m extremely detached from most material goods compared to the typical man. What I really like is having the assets invested in equities, compounding for greater financial freedom though.
    Sometimes the scenarios of (stock market?) doom and gloom discussed here worry me a bit!

    “and a wife who is attentive to your needs and your mission. Plus lose the alpha boss work wife cucking… The business travel temptations…”

    I believe you are disparaging Pinelero’s hedge against alimony in case of divorce because it is playing not to lose instead of playing to win.
    However I think this is essentially Sentient’s hedge against cheating opportunities. Isn’t that also playing not to lose?

    I think both hedges are fair points for their respective reasons.

    “The why aren’t you like Roger Sterling at work hypergamous drumb beating.”
    I know it was a typo but I liked the “drumb”. It is a dumb drum sometimes. It is for the good of the species but not necessarily for the good of the individual(s).

    “Better clean laundry, hot food when you want it, availability for sex (not off travelling or working late or bringing work home) and her getting orders from ONE guy.”

    You can get clean laundry and hot food by paying cheaper for it (maybe even pay a guy to do it).
    Sex is another story. Prostitutes I think would still be cheaper but even with my N=1 I do get desire sex sometimes and getting that reliably would be much better than prostitutes.

    “This will be an unpopular post bit I doubt many can make strong Red Pill case for their wife working. Except maybe a pimp…”

    I’m not sure it really is that unpopular. It is somewhat implicit at times that several YSGs, even RP, envy a bit the OMGs that did get it made, like you. I think it is mostly the odds of actually getting it made are so low.

    BTW I think you are pretty much the only one of the “married success stories” here with a non-working wife (and also getting action on the side… Correlation?).
    I think Blax’s ex and current, Rollo’s, SJF’s work.
    ASD and HABD I’m less sure?
    If you guys don’t mind divulging that I’d be interested.

  42. @ IAS

    Both of my wives held jobs. They both were employed when we married. Both continued to work, but at my direction.

    I inquired what the purpose of them working was all about, and what would they want to be doing ideally. Wife#1 wanted to be an accountant and wife# 2 wanted to be a teacher. I directed both back to college and heavily assisted with their studies. Both worked full time jobs while attending school, and both were degreed in the fields they chose.

    Current wife has been teaching for 16 years, ex wife has her own little accounting business.

    During both marriages I had hot meals clean laundry and home, and all the sex I wanted.

    I still made all of the major financial decisions. Wives are instructed to save at least 60 percent of their earnings. That money is in their own separate bank account. Both have IRA’s at my insistence. Wife #1 started her business without any business loans.

    Their working is not to decrease my burden. That wasn’t the point. I’m fortunate to be able to earn enough with 1 salary to support my family.

    The point for me was to take an interest in what they really wanted to do, and show them that I could facilitate that happening. Both credit me with making it happen.

    So Roger Sterling will have to kick rocks. Lol.

    Again, it goes back to vetting to determine if your woman can submit and take direction. There must be some point to their submission. They have to see what the benefits are.

    Thinking as I do will increase the burden because you become the master sensei.it has to be internalized and authentic within you. In my case I’m 100% responsible for guiding my wife and children. Imo, the better the guidance, the fewer problems.

    If my wife wanted to stop work today, she can. I never have to deal with any of her work stress because she has none.

    Hypergamy is always there lurking in the shadows. Then right man with the right knowledge can easily put it in a chokehold and duct tape it to a chair in the basement.

  43. I’m not sure why anyone who isn’t married and doesn’t plan on ever being married would argue the advantages/disadvantages of the working versus stay at home wife.
    Nutshell: It completely depends. Any kids? Ages? Job situation in that area? Type of job? Your job (hours, time away from home and so forth…obviously a job that takes one away from home 50 percent of the time or more is going to have a different effect on the family than a nine to five, also stressors…how much do you need the wife a home?), what’s the commute like? and so forth.
    This is a huge quality of life issue and a job that sucks ass (either yours or hers) will impact the home in a big way. It’s best to try and maintain the type of lifestyle you can afford so your family will have options. Always try to be in a position where you can leave it. That’s the way we’ve lived our life.
    I’ve worked and not worked. A good job is rare in my experience, but when it happens (assuming you’re in a good place and the kids are set with the schedule and so forth) it’s good. But you’ve got to think of it in the context of kids getting sick and having to stay home/pick them up and so forth. Not many jobs where you have that level of flexibility. The wife of the med group commander is an optometrist. That’s a perfect job. She makes bank working part time, and they live the good life.

  44. Per Trump,
    First and foremost if nothing else I’m just happy NOT to have someone to the left of Gloria Steinem as Secretary of Defense.

    Per “con man”, well, that is the brand I bought.
    HIs biggest con was the wall. It’s working spectacularly keeping folks out, right now, without spending a dime.
    Second biggest con was convincing the media that he is stupid.

  45. Sorry, I just cannot stand it.
    Anyone comparing the Trayvon shooting to OJ Simpson cannot be familiar with the facts at all.
    Yes, it was a tragedy. Yes, I feel very badly for the parents.
    But this is what happened:
    The media gets wind of the fact that a guy named Zimmerman shot a black teen.
    If his last name had been Gonzalez it wouldn’t have even made the news…because latino on black crime (as well as black on black crime) happened in that area on a regular basis.
    Once they decided he was white, the very crime ridden area became a “safe gated community”.
    The teen who jumped on him and smashed his face into the concrete became a “child holding a bag of skittles”. The only person who volunteered to help out with the neighborhood watch program after a community meeting became “a self appointed community watch person”. and so on.
    It was a two month long media barrage of half information horseshit as we were treated even to some weird version right out of the eighties recording of the phone conversation played again at different speeds so everyone could maybe, sorta, make out the words “I hate these spooks” (or was that I love Satan?!?). People were in fact so spun up after the deluge of misinformation when the real information was released they couldn’t even process it, they just stuck to the real story and dismissed it.

    This is a perfect example of mass hallucination and media generated hysteria.
    What it really came down to is two competing self-defense claims. Sometimes that happens.
    I’m sure Trayvon felt threatened when Zimmerman started pursuing him, and that’s why he jumped on him. I’m equally sure that Zimmermand felt threatened when Trayvon beat his head into the concrete.

    Okay, done. Good grief.

  46. Police to Zimmermann: okay, stop following him….

    I’m holding true to my attempt to not get involved in pointless discussions in the comments, but Zimmerman is Latino.

    False narrative?

  47. 1) Zimmerman is Latino. He even looks Latino. If the media knew that before they ran with the story, they wouldn’t have run with the story. That’s the point. The first meme that came out was “white man shoots child holding bag of skittles” (with photo of Trayvon at age 12).

    2) Told him to stop following him?
    Well, the exact exchange was,
    “Are you following him?”
    Z: “Yeah”
    “Okay, we don’t need you to do that”

    Up until that point, Zimmerman had been pursuing Trayvon and talking to them.
    At that point they started explaining cops were on their way and determining where they should meet. There is no indication Zimmerman continued to pursue Trayon after they told him to stop. That is an assumption. The evidence indicated Trayvon had noticed he was being followed, most likely during that whole prior conversation while Z was on the phone with the police telling him where Trayvon was headed, before he was told to cease following.

    So Trayvon is cutting through the neighborhood taking a short cut, wearing a hoodie. He notices someone following him suspiciously. Zimmerman notices a big guy in a hoody probably in his late teens, walking through the neighborhood looking like “there’s something wrong with him”…assuming he’s up to no good. We do have exhibit A: Zimmerman’s smashed face. And we have the recorded screaming “help me” voice (which the autopsy would indicate didn’t come from Trayvon unless he was screaming help for no reason).
    Competing self defense claims.
    And i have large boys. My baby (14), is six foot three. Same circumstances it might have happened to them. That’s why I like to live in a good neighborhood where no one is suspicious when they see a large guy walking around at dusk. Also why I drive differently in the city than the country. In the city I assume everyone is a road rage case waiting to happen.

  48. If something goes wrong in the marriage, it’s much better if your wife works and makes a good living than if she doesn’t. Most of the “taken to the cleaners” scenarios involve wives who did not work outside the home or, if they did, made a pittance in comparison to the husband. In situations where there is significant income and earning capacity by the W, there is more equity in the divorce. It doesn’t impact child support, which is mostly calculated as a flat tax under the guise of an income share model, but it impacts everything else positively from the perspective of the husband.

  49. Going back to benefits of having a wife. My first marriage was a mess of my own making. I was in a blue pill fog and believed the FI bs, so did not allow myself to live up to my potential as man and family patriarch. The second and current marriage I at least did a lessons learned and implement them to choose better. I still wanted marriage as form of companionship, which at the time was probably just bp conditioning. My vetting at the time was ironically for a strong independent woman (…. i know now..) as my first wife was being supported by me 70%. I didn’t want that noose again. I married a foreign Latina woman very sexy and agreeable, so she was not the typical North American harpy wall-banger. I didn’t purposefully go after her type, she was simply the best of the lot of the women I was dating. I still had some lingering bP tendencies until I found TRM and MRP on Reddit. Learning about women’s needs and unleashing my own really helped to strengthen my marriage. I can honestly say that I am happily married. My wife makes all of my favorite foods and is a great baker. My laundry is done and my balls are empty. The other married guys in my office are having the 1-month sex, but I am having sex 1-3 X a week. Occassionally it’s starfish, but mostly we are in total immersion (DEVI -Sex-God Method).

    I don’t recommend marriage to my single guy friends unless they understand how to manage and lead a woman. If you are not up to the task or lack the RP skills (game-kino, leadership..), marriage will be a treacherous endeavor.

  50. Nova, et al….. but does the fact that the wife works increase the chance of something going wrong? I think that’s sentient’s secondary point

    tough call because the only way to find out is when it’s too late

  51. If something goes wrong in the marriage, it’s much better if your wife –

    has a boyfriend she can monkey branch to and might marry her…

  52. @Dr Zipper. Woman can go wrong under any scenario. Lot’s of housewifes loss their minds too. My purpose in life if not to be a prison guard over a woman in my house. When my first wife left… I though to myself, If she doesn’t want to be with me then to hell with her.

  53. When the wife is working it increases her contact with the FI,beta orbiters,you go girlers and victim comforters (users). It doesn’t matter how inteligent she is she will buy into some of this increasing her victim status,why don’t her husband take care of her? hes a loser abuser on and on.

    This will bring her home at the end of the day or week with a bad attitude,even if she works just to have something to get her out of the house the man loses status and frame because of this.

  54. This FI built in default Rollo wrote about it somewhere,between a mans burden of performance default and the womans entitlement program. Leaves the married man having to run game or defense constantly and times three when the wife is working as counter intelligence measures.

  55. #1 reblogged article on The Manley Husband “5 Tips to Improve Your Wife’s Online Dating Profile”… Beats out even “X-Fit to Headship in 90 Days”.

  56. dr. zipper
    Nova, et al….. but does the fact that the wife works increase the chance of something going wrong? I think that’s sentient’s secondary point

    Because working for money usually means an office. Any man with authority over her automatically has some alpha cred just by the situation. He’s the “daytime alpha” in her life, and because she never sees him “off duty”, she doesn’t know he farts at the table or leaves clothes on floor and the toilet seat up. She sees “daytime alpha” at his best, so the man at home will almost always look worse by comparison. If the “daytime alpha” has a higher SMV than the husband her hypergamy will be aroused, but even if the SMV’s are the same her loyalty is now being pulled in two different directions.

    Furthermore, her job of necessity will entail honoring his instructions and obeying them, plus even the most mannish of women will come to care about his wellbeing because of brain wiring. Some degree of emotional entanglement is very likely. Not necessarily a sexual affair, but an emotional affair is quite possible – she becomes more distant at home, checks email a lot, responds to work related email from “daytime alpha” immediately, talks about his health or other issues as if he was a relative, etc.

    Examples are all around, if you know what to look for, you can see it. There was a comment stream at Dalrocks a few years back; a man’s sister had become more and more mean to her husband. It came out that she worked as a legal secretary / paralegal for an upscale law firm, so she was around high powered courtroom attornies all day. Her husband was a tradesman, possibly a successful plumber. He made pretty good money, but after all day around the suits he didn’t mesure up.

    Oh, bonus points if a woman gets a few promotions so that she’s supervising men. That whole attitude is very likely to come home with her, and now whats-his-name is getting bossed around even more than usual, but can’t figure out why.

    Now, all of the above situations can be handled with solid Game in a solid Frame. No doubt Sentient is up to that task. So are other men. But why add to your workload unless you have to do so?

  57. AR

    Maybe you got something here – what’s the RP case FOR a man’s wife working for someone else (let’s put aside family biz so as not to attract too much sperging)?

  58. Op Ed from “Fitness” (fka Men’s Fitness) – “Why I Support My Wife’s Right Not To Swallow (and you should too)”.

  59. “But why add to your workload unless you have to do so?”

    This precisely why indeed.

    In our case with the children gone and empty nest,it gets her out and gives her something to do.
    It is more of an added expense than an income,and all of AR’s above mentioned apply.

    Looking back when we were younger it was always in my best interest to keep her home with the kids. It was never worth the pain and hassel to have her working.

  60. @AR: Solid points there. I have seen this multiple times in my previous employments, how married women who worked as secretaries / personal assistants got their panties wet when “Boss” was around. One has a husband who is 6 foot tall, into body building, a biker and a tradesman, but she is banging the scrawny 5 foot 4 “Boss”, who is married as well and is very rich. On an office social night, I saw them going at it behind the restaurant, they said they were going out for a smoke.

  61. AR & stuff – good summations; I think we all kinda thought that way but it’s good to see it in writing

    and the swallowing bit… my ex never had a problem with that and a bj was one of her better qualities… I’d sometimes say to her “….drink it all down baby, it’ll give you a nice shiny coat…”

    *sniff* good times

  62. rugby – the Marcus Aurelius video is really good; this guy defines Stoicisim and it sounds exactly like a good definition of RP as it applies to the whole life, not just sexual dynamics stuff

    much appreciated

  63. Sentient
    Maybe you got something here –

    Of course I do. It’s all reality-based.

    what’s the RP case FOR a man’s wife working for someone else

    Stuffinbox already started it:
    In our case with the children gone and empty nest,it gets her out and gives her something to do.

    Provides woman with some level of drama so she is less likely to manufacture her own.
    This can also be met by volunteer work of various sorts that doesn’t pay anything but does provide her with a regular supply of social drama. Watching relatives and social circle couples process through her menopause and the youngest leaving home, sometimes in the same years, it clearly can be a real good idea for her to have Something To Do besides rearrange the spice rack, repaint the now-spare bedroom and pick away at every other thing in the universe that needs her control and fixing. Like the man in the house.

    CAVEAT: vetting is essential. One of my divorced friends now realizes that allowing his former psych major wife to go volunteer at the local “women’s center / shelter” was a bad idea because she was hanging out with radfems soaked in the Duluth protocol. She brought that crap home with her…

    Economic:
    A classic example would be the red-pill man who is an artist, muscian, etc. living in the gig world, that provides only cash and zero insurance or benefits. A low to medium level job paying the woman fills in that gap. I’ve known couples like this: artist in LTR with nursing specialist.
    More refined version: red pill man who lives in the contractor world, aka the tech-gig. Again, zero to little benefits. Not to go down a political rabbit trail but children change things in terms of “level of insurance that is acceptable”. Risk-pooling vision / dental / orthopedic /etc. is more imperative when rug rats are falling out of trees, etc.

    Economic II:
    Red pill man is improving himself via retraining that requires certification. Could be a working man going to tech school, could be a cube farm denizen upgrading his skill set, could be a bookeeper becoming an accountant, etc. Rather than working a full time job and doing the school thing part time, he could do the school thing full time while she works full time and get the improvement done sooner. Stated goals of graduation / certification keep it from being an open-ended treadmill for her. Children in the mix makes it more complicated. I’ve seen men do this, several of them were vets who came out of service with some tech skills and had a clear roadmap to improve & upgrade. Once the goal is met, re-evaluation and maybe relocation happens.

    Just off the top of my head.
    In fact, vetting is always essential in all cases. Women being the herd creatures, it matters more whom they are around all day, much more.

  64. Well luckily Husband’s Home Journal has some tips for dealing with a working wife…

    “It’s That Time Again – Welcoming Your Workin’ Girl Back Home

    Guys time for us to gab for real here. Many of us are not doing enough to show our hard working wives how much we love and appreciate all of their effort to provide a nice home for us. Yeah sure we say it all the time, and put those heart filled notes on her Kale Salad (too cute!), but does she really feel our love? Show her you “just get it” next time she comes through that door. Here are my top tips for a proper daily “homecoming”.

    1. Tidy home, tidy heart. She’s just slogged in from the 5:45 commuter special, the last thing she wants to see when she gets home is a messy house. So after the 3 PM Sportcenter get hopping, run through and pick up any laundry, empty Diet Coke cans and snack boxes. Put the dishes from her breakfast out of sight in the dishwasher.
    2. Look the Part. Remind her why she works so hard by giving her an eyeful to come home to. Time for a few quick sets of pushups to set those pecs off, brush that hair and tuck in that shirt sire. Five Alarm Fire!
    3. Giver her some time. Face it, she puts up a tough front but it’s hard being Supergirl all day long, dog eating dog out there in the big world. She needs some time to decompress, kick off those Louboutins, squeeze out of that pencil skirt and oh my god get that push up bra off! Sure it makes her look great but trust me that lace gets uncomfortable after 8 hours of climbing the ladder. Lay out her sweatpants and sweatshirt and those fuzzy slippers she loves so much… Send her off to her room to change with a crisp glass of sauvignon blanc and a peck on the cheek. This tells her you get that she needs a transistion period and you give her some time to check her emails. She’s been anxious all the way home to see if that VP of Sales opened her last titty pic.
    4. Let her speak! I get it guys, you’ve been home all day and haven’t talked with her since this morning and you are literally like dying to know how her presentation to regional went and to tell her how much you support all of her sacrifices but Now. Is. Not. The. Time. And for the love of mercy do not mention the dryer is on the fritz again because this will stress her out, what with the rumors about the merger and layoffs. She has always brought home the bacon, trust her ability and bite your tongue. You can always line dry in the basement!

    Trust me guys. Follow these simple steps and she just might let you go down on her tonight after that third galss of wine. And with all that tongue twister practice you’ve been putting in (tying a cherry stem with no hands – who knew?!) she is gauranteed to be satisfied – wink wink. But be sure and charge her Ipad before she goes to take her post O bath, that Plenty of Fish account ain’t gonna check itself you know…

  65. AR

    Well not a strong case. Not too RP either, more financial. Sure she needs stuff to do… Plenty with kids and grandkids and stuff you want her to do.

    Very little compelling that requires guys to reflexively think “of course my wife should work” other than the FI.

  66. Question: In the last couple of months I have encountered multiple women who claim to be married in the casual “My husband works at …” sense who don’t have any ring. Further conversation with them and/or social circle confirms either a multi year LTR or actual married status. But no ring. My first thought is hypergamy keeping options open by no visible signs of status. Anyone else seeing this?

  67. Sentient
    Well not a strong case.

    Shrug. Ok. You didn’t ask for one, so once again it’s goalpost moving on your part.

    Not too RP either, more financial.

    Your solipsism is showing. The artist being supported by his cute 32 year old nurse probably doesn’t care what you or anyone else thinks: they don’t have kids and he gets to paint all day. Sentient, hate to break the bad news, but you don’t get to define the Platinum rule for other men.

    Sure she needs stuff to do… Plenty with kids and grandkids and stuff you want her to do.

    Eh, you haven’t gone through her menopause yet, now have you? Every woman is different in that regard, but there are simularities. As for grandkids, you don’t have any yet, right?

    Very little compelling that requires guys to reflexively think “of course my wife should work” other than the FI.

    You requested something, I spent about 8 minutes off the cuff providing it. Now you want to redefine the request and change requirements after the fact. That may work well in your world of sales, but I find it to be more like dealing with a toddler. Or a woman.

  68. to rugby’s video above…

    “Marcus Aurelius…is a standing reproach to our weakness, to our self-indulgence, to our willingness to give in to what we want, to our inclination to make excuses about things that were entirely up to us and to try to act as if we are not responsible for our behavior”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5897dMWJiSM&t=36m48s

    it is acknowledged that Stoicism might not be a comprehensive philosophy, but one for “…serious, ruthless self-introspective people that want real answers and are willing to take no nonsense…”

    it’s good, practical stuff that disdains elitist puffery; it’s accessible and applicable to everyone from slaves to emperors

    “all men die, but not all men die whining”

  69. Husbands home journal? You gotta be fn sh123ytin.

    RP reasons for the wife to work.

    1. You are an alpha super stud with super solid game(unusual) causing a deep conversion in a 9.5 woman that is untouchable at work and makes 7figs anual.

    2. Gives you more time to scoot hunt fish and fuck strange women.

  70. AR

    Such a cranky pants…

    Goal posts? Same. RP case for wife working. Let’s simplify… Since RP is squishy. Evo bio psych case for her working on one side and the FI Marxist cade on the other?

    Now on the personal… IDK we have those saying that every woman older than 32 is post wall saggy baggy menopausal…. Lol.

    My youngest is 14. Plenty to do wo grandkids. Though I expect them within 5 years.

  71. “Now on the personal… IDK we have those saying that every woman older than 32 is post wall saggy baggy menopausal…. Lol.”

    Wife is 60 started “the big change” around 49, hot flashes night sweats,even more delusional thinking than usual,more insecurity,much more manipulative,constant rewrite of the story just generaly in everyone elses business. no saggy tits or celulite gone wild,a few more lines on the face leather neck and cleavage. hit a dry vag spot for about a year thats over now. I kept her convinced that sex would cure the symptoms of meopause.

    Probably is a good thing she is working,gives everyone else a break.

  72. constant rewrite of the story just generaly in everyone elses business.

    Roger that. “I’m just trying to help”.

  73. @AR

    Nice wrap up of the work environment for most women.

    She sees “daytime alpha” at his best, so the man at home will almost always look worse by comparison.

    This is spot on. I’ve even been daytime alpha without understanding what was going on because, blue pill. I had to give orders to stop bringing me presents. They will gravitate to whoever seems to be in charge.

  74. dr zipper
    Your welcome it grinds the fact and reality than Man can choose to complain on any of the stages of unplugging or we can bruise the wounds more with what’s fair or unfair. Being a man is a lot of work its more enjoyable with the red pill but that is no excuse for the performance.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKUAki80wRY
    Our pain is all meaningless in the face of death which is why its important to see it as an experience with are nature. Nothing outside yourself fuels your creativity and expression.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciJen87sZF4
    Where here to move to share the best of ourself’s embracing our masculinity and working through any of that pain and misfortune. You don’t stop the struggle where ll going to die. Death is something that reinforces the importance of the red pill to men because even in the shadows we are alway’s being looked upon to the calm the chaos around us. Which brings to wonder why even when women attempt to destroy men at becoming self aware they in their hindbrains crave something primal in dominance and leadership. First leading yourself into a better interpretation of yourself…
    A carved out sculpture of intention built into a workout on the self.
    http://london.sonoma.edu/writings/StrengthStrong/
    We may not be able to be strong all the time.But that helps are ability to recognize are inner weakness and grow with it not at it…

  75. “…wonder why even when women attempt to destroy men at becoming self aware they in their hindbrains crave something primal in dominance and leadership….”

    they’re not trying to destroy men, thru constant testing, they’re trying to find those men with dominance and leadership

    not every man make the cut

  76. dr zipper
    “they’re not trying to destroy men, thru constant testing, they’re trying to find those men with dominance and leadership

    not every man make the cut”

    Once you know than you train with leadership and dominance (Faking dominance is virtually impossible in nature)

    Testing is her nature no choice is it comes up and the more you master the test and pass the more options life present itself.

    What happens the men who don;t make the cut?

  77. FR from moments ago

    Scene – airport bar. Next to attractive 40YO who is drinking a glass of red at counter, typing up RM story… She is chatting with older woman next to her. from the chat 40YO is in sales, selling IT sprockets to bigcos to SFA with in their organizations. Value add to society = nil. say her husband is…. wait for it… An undercover cop… Doggy ears perk up. Blah blah from them.

    Then older lady leaves. I’m considering talking to her when a dood blindsides her, whispers in her ear “is this seat taken” and she whips around to behold… Johnny Saleguy. 6’2″ trim, 32ish, deep voice, good hair. Johnny runs his arm around her shoulders as she squeees and eyes pop and gets up to hug him aggressively… “You’re on my flight!”… laughing and chatting. He sits next to her and says in his deep voice “ahhh I wanted to come up and fuck with you earlier but that lady got the seat”. They gossip about the flight, the office, the pipeline… He orders a Big Beer, she does the same… More chattering and laughing and what we would call in the field – kino’ing. All just good natured amirite? Obvious they get along well. won’t even say she is attracted to this guy, but she does enjoy his repartee… As they fly off back to the home office.

    How will this end? “You need a lift home?”… “Man I’m starving, grab a burger?”

    Who knows.

    But why? For what purpose? Sprockets? Shekels? Who is cooking the Fuzz’s dinner???

    [we stand behind our men in blue who keep us safe]

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