We’ll Do It Live – 21 Convention

 

I did about a two and a half hour interview with Anthony Johnson today. Anthony is the organizer of the 21 Convention and is really a great guy who’s unafraid to get into the nuts and bolts of the Red Pill. We covered a lot of topics and questions in this talk so rather than give you an outline I’ll just say listen here or download (available on iTunes soon).

Let me know what you think. I’ll be covering the questions I didn’t get to in a forthcoming post.

23 comments

  1. Watched the video of Anthony’s story. It’s definitely a rough one and it’s probably not surprising to many of the readers hear that he went looking for answers and started unplugging.

    Couple points based on what he said in the vid.

    (1) A guy being too quick to put the “psychopath” label on a girl who lied to and cheated on him will thwart the unplugging process. Rationalizing her behavior as being so far outside the norm because she is a crazy psycho, and not realizing that AWALT furthers the feminine imperative of promoting serial monogamy. That kind of mentality is the reason why so many blue pill men repeat the same mistakes by jumping from one exclusive relationship to the next after getting burned time after time. Maybe his ex is a legitimate Lucifer’s Daughter, but I didn’t hear much evidence in the video.

    Yes, shes a liar, cheater, and former/current prostitute (btw, men should start getting used to that because sugar dating is increasingly becoming a popular and socially acceptable trend), but there wasn’t really much else. A psycho girl who really wanted to destroy his life would do things like file false rape/abuse charges, destroy property, get violent and bait him into a physical altercation then call the police, spread rumors about him to his family and friends, sabotage his business relationships, rack up credit card debt (assuming they had joint account),

    Not to belabor the point but throughout the video he kept saying how she set out to ruin his life, selected him as a target, it was all calculated and premeditated etc. But technically, cheating on him and getting paid for sex before they ever met isn’t even something she did “to him.” In fact it really has nothing to do with him other than being a blow to his ego and shattering his blue pill Ddsneyland fairy tale. If/when he fully unplugs, his hindsight will be 20/20 and he’ll probably realize that her behavior was much more predictable than he realizes now.

    (2) If she was good enough to fool all those guys at the conference who supposedly know all about women – like that Socrates guy and the knob in the vid below (lolol), maybe that indicates that they don’t know what they are talking about. She’s def hot, but if i’m being completely honest, the slut tells aren’t exactly hidden.

    (3) He was right not to have sex her after the breakup, but not for the blue pill feminized reason he said (because sex is special or something). Its because psycho girls who are getting dumped will often tell the guy they are pregnant post-breakup to cause continued stress.

    Anyway, good luck to Anthony with his unplugging.

  2. @the dude

    Thanks for watching the full talk, it’s a long haul.

    Couple points.

    1) I didn’t begin to think she was a psychopath until reading about cluster B disorders, at the repeated suggestion of Socrates. I didn’t use the term lightly or colloquially, and not before speaking with an MD (that knew me and her), who works in mental health issues, about how she fared against the Hare psychopathy checklist given the reality of what took place.

    2) In the video, I revealed what I had hard evidence for, after researching slander and defamation laws. The full story is quite a bit darker, and usually pushes people from “probably BPD” camp to psychopath camp. Andrew The Private Man was a notable example of this.

    3) Whether she is ASPD/BPD/NPD, I think it’s beyond question she is sitting strongly somewhere in the cluster B set, of which, these disorders usually co-mingle. Commenters have suggested she is actually full blown NPD, a covert narcissist specifically. Other theories hold that BPD is the female equivalent of psychopathy. Regardless, empathy is significantly impaired for her not just with regards to me but everyone she comes into contact with.

    4) One of the most consistent comments I got from the live audience – and since through email – was “…damn man, thanks for doing this speech…my ex-girlfriend did a lot of similar shit…but I don’t think she was a psychopath. Your speech was therapeutic to hear regardless.”

    What their identifying is AWALT minus the mental disorder of course.

    Blacklabellogic has a great post series on this called female madness. One of his biggest points for me is that cluster B women are not simply AWALT, they are AWALTOS, on steroids.

    Escorting with a wedding ring on, while earning her own legitimate (taxed) 6 figure income is a good example of this.

    5) “But technically, cheating on him and getting paid for sex before they ever met isn’t even something she did “to him.”

    Illimitable Man made the point a few months ago that any woman hiding a triple digit body count is dark triad. She had been escorting for 11 years by the time we met. We can safely assume her lay count is well north of 100.

    Active concealment of information like this is essentially fraud, in this case, in the State of Florida, of legitimate criminal activity.

    I’ve since fucked a pornstar/escort (for free), and she gave a full disclosure before banging in the back of my car of her work history. I wouldn’t hold my breath for every sex worker to do this, but this is a lot closer to normal compared to Medusa.

    6) “A psycho girl who really wanted to destroy his life would do things like file false rape/abuse charges, destroy property, get violent and bait him into a physical altercation then call the police, spread rumors about him to his family and friends, sabotage his business relationships, rack up credit card debt (assuming they had joint account),”

    I was purple pill, not blue pill. Following the manosphere for as long as I have made me aware of a lot of these issues. Private, stateless marriage is a key example of this, but there were many smaller issues as well.

    We never shared a bank account of any kind. I was an authorized signer on one of her credit cards though. And so, I volunteered her to pay for all of my moving and STD testing expenses.

    My family and friends wouldn’t have believed a word she said over mine, and did not when tested.

    I think she was trying to sabotage the business. She failed, a lot, and it frustrated the shit out of her. Objectivism as a philosophy was helpful here and elsewhere.

    7) “If/when he fully unplugs, his hindsight will be 20/20 and he’ll probably realize that her behavior was much more predictable than he realizes now.”

    Her behavior was very feminine. If that’s what you mean, then we agree. Her behavior was at the extreme end of the hypergamy curve, and she worked overtime to conceal it for decades. Again, see Blacklabellogic’s work on female madness. It’s the best breakdown of cluster B disorders through a red pill lens I’ve yet to see.

    8) The guy in the video – Greg Swann – is a fiction author and atheist philosopher. Not a dating coach, not a life coach, not any kind of coach.

    Like Krauser, you don’t seem aware that a huge chunk of The 21 Convention has nothing directly (or even indirectly) to do with women. Yareally wrote a great comment about this that Rollo reposted in the recent 21 Convention blog. It’s worth checking out.

    As for the dating coaches, this confirmed for Rollo how purple pill they were. Granted, some were cluster B aware (and experienced), but primarily with BPD, not ASPD/NPD. Medusa was calculated and efficient, she worked harder on the most immediate threats, and distanced herself from lesser threats. This was an effective strategy for staying hidden in my shadow, like a snake.

    I didn’t help that I don’t have a habit of dating whores. There was no case history of this kind of relationship in my life, not before or since.

    9) If you’re referring to the way she dressed on camera, this was explicitly at my request – push up bra, tits out, etc – for more YouTube views. Granted, this was about as difficult as getting a dog to bark.

    10) The issues you brought up were brought to my attention immediately and repeatedly after the breakup by Socrates, Greg Swann, and others. Greg was particularly concerned she would try to initiate a psychical fight – literally wanted to be hit – plus it would give her false DV leverage.

    At the same time, vaginal sex is the only kind that can result in pregnancy, and has (I believe) the highest risk of STI transmission. It’s also incredibly validating for women to get railed. As Socrates told me around this time… God gave women a hole in their self-esteem, and man the tool to fill it.

    She didn’t deserve to get fucked by me anymore. It made her absolutely ravenous and feral to be denied like this. Some of which was acted up, some of which was not. It was like a Slip N’ slide up in there.

    On the other hand, I still see blowjobs, tit fucking, and related activity as elaborate foreplay. Simple fun. Just used Medusa like the whore she was at this end point.

  3. 1. You overcome adversity and achieve abundance.
    2. The abundance becomes comfortable and your new normal.
    3. You amygdala switches off as there is no threat to face.
    4. An event suddenly rips away the comfort and confronts you with adversity.
    5. Your amygdala lights up very strongly and very quickly, accompanied by disorientation because the adversity was unexpected.
    6. You’re triggered. Trigglypuffing ensues.
    https://krauserpua.com/2017/04/26/violation-of-expectation/

    http://edlatimore.com/how-to-instantly-conquer-adversity-with-the-secret-power-of-the-imagination-and-self-inspiration

  4. “I’ve since fucked a pornstar/escort (for free), and she gave a full disclosure before banging in the back of my car of her work history. I wouldn’t hold my breath for every sex worker to do this, but this is a lot closer to normal compared to Medusa.”

    Right. It seems “a lot closer to normal” because this time around you were the alpha fucks. She was not even bothering to seek any kind of commitment from you, likely because she knows it will never happen. Thus, she had much less of a reason to lie to you. Basically she was saying “yes we both know I’m a slut/whore, now please fuck me like one.” With respect to her you were acting like someone in the “secret society” – hence the full disclosure and easy lay.

    http://www.rsdnation.com/node/60027

    Years from now when she eventually starts prioritizing “beta bucks” and attempts to lock down a provider (possibly a judgmental slut shamer who would “never marry a prostitute”), she will try to hide or downplay her past career as a sex worker as much as possible (maybe say something like it was only for 5 days with 5 guys)… When she locks him down and gets caught cheating on him (or continuing to be a prostitute on the side to raise money for plastic surgery), he will go ape shit because he never saw it coming and go around telling everyone that she is a crazy psychotic cluster B, BPD, pathological narcopath who’s just a psychopathic as charles fucking manson!!!….. If he’s lucky someone will offer him the red pill and large glass of water.

    If I haven’t drawn enough parallels here, what I am saying is that most of the men Madusa cheated on you with likely saw her the same way you saw the porn star/escort, and it was just you who was in the dark and so from your prospective it came as a huge surprise when you found out the truth. The porn star/escort won’t feel bad about lying to a judgmental AFC provider in the future if that’s what it takes to secure his commitment, just like Madusa didn’t feel bad about lying to you.

    My point here is not to argue about whether or not she is a legitimate BPD. In a lot of ways it doesn’t really matter. Part of understanding the red pill is realizing that women act differently with respect to different types of men. Whether a girl is a bitch, slut, whore, prude, good girl, quality girl, or crazy psycho BPD often depends on the perspective of the man giving her the label. Like the saying goes, it’s better to be the guy she cheats with, than the guy she cheats on.

    ________

    On a side note, the trend I’m seeing now with the sugar dating boom is that many of girls in their party years (college and early post-college) have three types of guys. Alpha fucks (who knows shes a slut), sugar daddy (who knows shes a slut/whore), and AFC/orbiter/friend zone guy who is completely in the dark. Unless he third guy unplugs, will be the future husband for her (or a girl or just like her)…. the key difference from the trend that’s been going on since the start of the sexual revolution of (i.e,. just alpha fucks until its time to settle down) is the social acceptance of sugar dating which is essentially the exact same as prostitution in most cases.

    I bring it up because It came off in the video that to you, the fact that she was receiving money for sex was way way way worse than just regular cheating or riding the CC. This is understandable by the way, as men have already been conditioned to mentally accept some level of alpha fucks in a girl’s past. That is, right now most men do not expect to marry a virgin (as their grandfathers may have expected) – they can get over the fact that she had previous sex partners. But if she was a former sex worker / prostitute, that’s where they would draw the line. However, if the sugar dating trend continues, eventually most men will not expect to marry a girl who not only has a ridiculously high n-count, but who also hasn’t received money in exchange for sex at some point in her pre-epiphany life.

  5. @ADJ

    Congrats on loosing the BPD Medusa,If it is any consolation,at least you were a chump pimp,instead of a frustrated chump with a pool boy pimp.

    Good luck not sticking your dick in crazy.

    @Dude

    You had my full attention till this last sentence.

    ” However, if the sugar dating trend continues, eventually most men will not expect to marry a girl who not only has a ridiculously high n-count, but who also hasn’t received money in exchange for sex at some point in her pre-epiphany life.”

    Should he expect not to marry a high N count girl,that hasn’t received money for sex?WTF?

  6. Rugby11 I’m take the challenge this month 100 push ups a day. Cut back on cold beer. Get 8 hours sleep a nite. I may go paleo diet and cut out soda and white starch like potatos and white rice anything made with white flour.

  7. ” . . . anything made with white flour.”

    Flour is flour. Adding a bit or cardboard to it doesn’t make it not flour. The Glycemic Index is a failed hypothesis for dealing with diabetes that got picked up by the Health Food(tm) crowd as something new to push (they always have to keep finding new things to keep the money flowing). Ignore it. Total daily sugar load is what you have to watch out for. Nutritional content isn’t a concern unless you are trying to live on nothing but starches (fresh whole grains have just enough fat in them to provide a minimum of fat soluble vitamins).

    If you’re going to avoid starches, just avoid starches.

  8. @stuffinbox

    That last sentence wasn’t worded correctly. The point I was making is that an increasing number of “normal girls” are engaging in sugar dating, which is socially socially acceptable name for prostitution. At some point it will become so socially acceptable and normalized that eventually there won’t be many attractive girls out there who haven’t been paid for sex at some point.

    The parallel I was making between sugar dating and the hookup culture / riding the CC, is that a long time ago there were actually girls who saved their virginity until marriage. Virgin brides are basically mon-existent now – try telling people with a straight face that you expect to marry a virgin and their reactions will range between laughing in your face, looking at you like you are crazy, or outright anger…. eventually people will have the same reaction if a guy says he won’t marry a girl who has ever been a sugar baby.

  9. ROLLO I wish you would write more about mate guarding and mate poaching and how society wants men to grow out of there boyish pursuits. And say nothing of grown ass married females continueing in there competion for mates. And how this effects marriage as a whole. You and your commenters are Great resource for me I’m just a short term relationship guy. Not omg or Ysg. You know the more you do and the more public you become the more of a target your gonna be. I think your work will stand up to to scrudny and picking apart of academics and sjw. Truth is truth even if it’s not pretty.

  10. @seawall, EMK is the blind leading the blind. None of the commenters nor EMK has anything but a peripheral awareness of the 15 years that TRP has been collecting, observing and addressing intersexual dynamics. It troubles EMK that the Feminine Imperative is literally attempting to shame men into rewriting hard science to accommodate the ideologies of the spinsters who’ve been his clientele for years now. The cognitive dissonance might be getting too much for him even.

  11. Rollo, I can’t disagree. I’ve been commenting there for a while from an RP perspective… which hasn’t pleased a number of his female readers. I’ve listened to your audiobook several times, and with each listen, I am able to make additional connections to things that I have witnessed or experienced in my past that I haven’t been able to effectively articulate. EMK’s comments section serves as an interesting observation ground for these dynamics. Your work has been very helpful for me. Thank you.

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