The Mark Baxter Podcast

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As I mentioned last week, I did a podcast with Mark Baxter and Ed Latimore last Saturday morning. I hate to take anything away from my prior interviews, but I have to say that this was likely one of my best, most enjoyable podcast I’ve done. I think you’ll agree.

It’s a bit over two hours and Mark did a masterful job in moderating it and the post production I should add. You can download it for free and listen at your leisure via Mark’s blog, Soundcloud and iTunes.

The Mark Baxter Podcast

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Much as I hate to postpone the last installment of the Reconstruction series I feel this discussion was so positive and covered so much I have to drop this here first. I’ll post the last of the series this week, but I’d really like to get some reader feedback in the comments on this interview.  It’ll make you laugh and it’ll make you think. For anyone misinterpreting the Red Pill as being something hopeless or angry or negative, I’d ask you to listen through this discussion. Even if you’ve never heard of Ed or Mark before I think you’ll find that this talk was a good reflection on the Red Pill as we interpret it (in terms of intersexual dynamism).

I’d also like to take a moment to thank Mark for starting his podcast. I think a neutral approach to interviewing the various personalities of the manosphere is something sorely missing in our community and Mark has really stepped up by doing this. I’ll be doing another interview with Mark solo after my third book is released, but if I do say so, I think Ed is a great complement to my own perspectives. Mark’s approach is mature and direct, and I think this really makes for a great exchange of ideas. I could have easily gone for another hour.

So let me know what you think, or what you liked or what about this discussion (interview is much too formal) that jumped out at you that you’d like to have me cover in a post or another interview.

 

59 comments

  1. @ Rollo

    I liked the podcast quite a bit. In fact, I’ll check out more of Mark’s stuff.

    It was an interesting convo that I wished could have gone on a little longer. I’ve read Ed’s blog often, and it was cool to get to hear him give input.

    But when you broke down ” ego investment “, it was a better explanation than anything else I’d read concerning the description. After all of the reading and mentioning or ego investment, I have a grasp of what it’s supposed to mean ( I’m not all that big on the whole ” ego ” thing, and I don’t really get how problems with it arise and manifest…).

    Ed hit on something that was very, very important for me, but I don’t think most listening will really get it. He mentioned how his background and growing up taught him everything he needed to know about *life* ( women and all ). I’ve read his thoughts in his blog, and I agree and have similar experience.

    Anyway, great stuff. Look forward to more podcasts. Thanks.

  2. Good podcast but this black dude seemed out of place. He said he has had 3 relationships in his whole life. He said nothing of interest the whole time. I dont get why he was on that podcast.

  3. Mark Baxter has a genuine interest in the red pill and it showed in the questions he posed, Ed has a deep understanding of the issues and the various stages of plugged and unplugged men. Although I felt there was an hint of professional jealousy from Ed at times. Rollo’s comments about ego investment and the irrationality of the ‘pussy’ wearing hat man (Ed correctly pointed out the absurdity of supporting a cause, gender prevents you from truly appreciating) showed the depths of insights he’s known for.

    A great interview.

  4. I’m just here, sitting and waiting fo YaReally to do his thing in the new Roosh article about “The death of Night Game”

  5. Hey Rollo. I don’t know if this is the best place to post this, but I think this is right up your alley (so much so that writing about it might even be boring). Still, if you haven’t seen it, you might find it interesting:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2015/08/26/hookup-culture-isnt-the-problem-facing-singles-today-its-math/?utm_term=.c7f090179f92#comments

    It’s all about how the decreased college enrollment rates for young men affects the dating market for post-graduate women. Guess who gets the advice.

  6. Ollie
    (Ed correctly pointed out the absurdity of supporting a cause, gender sex prevents you from truly appreciating) showed the depths of insights he’s known for.

    Fixed that for you. Languages such as French, German, Spanish, Italian, etc. have gender; der / die / das (masculine, feminine, neuter) is one example. Chickens, lions, hyenas, wolves, cats and dogs have a sex. One of the subtle ways the blank-slate lie is peddled to us is via the use of the word “gender” when the correct word is “sex”. Even during the Victorian era, when some delicate ladies supposedly put cloth over the piano legs – and called them “piano limbs” because “leg” was too vulgar – even then women were referred to as the “fair sex“.

    Using the term “gender” in place of the more accurate word “sex” leads directly to the feminist absurdity of gender is a social construct, which in turn leads to all manner of things such as men in dresses claiming to be women.

    The word you want is sex. Humans have two sexes, male and female.

  7. I’m just here, sitting and waiting fo YaReally to do his thing in the new Roosh article about “The death of Night Game”

    Agree with Rollo. YaReally may or may not want to comment there, but I see no way Roosh would let him anyway. Especially on an article that boils down to “This stuff is harder for me than it used to be, so something besides me must have changed”.

  8. @ wildcard

    Higher Ed. is woman-lopsided. Consider this: Women major in lower-income soft science majors, rapidly lose their competitive sexual advantage after leaving college, now look for their BB pre-wall they thought they’d find at Nuptial U.

    Collateral damage: The FI inhibiting hypergamy, now among the well-heeled. Despite the unyielding crush of modern feminism, it wasn’t built back to front. Who’d a thunk? Oh right, TRM.

    Many professional female colleagues have tried the AF blue-collar guy after college and beyond. “Yeah, he’s a tradesman. He’s so good with his hands! See how talented he is, Dad?” (NOT a knock on blue collar, rather diploma mills). Good for the blue collar guy, never quite hypergamously satisfying for her, what the FI claims she deserves. Unintended consequences.

  9. @AR: “The word you want is sex.”

    Thanks for hammering that nail for me. My arm can use a break now and again.

    Not that there’s any shortage of targets in the game of Whac-A-Doublespeak, while the other arm is simultaneously engaged in Whac-A-Newspeak.

  10. EhIntellect:
    Higher Ed. is woman-lopsided. Consider this: Women major in lower-income soft science majors, rapidly lose their competitive sexual advantage after leaving college, now look for their BB pre-wall they thought they’d find at Nuptial U.

    Student loans are like a negative dowry. Some of the men I know pushing 30 have made it known they won’t marry a girl with student debt. The girlies in silly degrees like Communications Studies or Creative Writing should be told that the days of the freebee MRS degree are just about over and done with.

  11. kfg
    Thanks for hammering that nail for me.

    Yeah, no prob with the tag-team work. But you know it’s not about the nail…

  12. That was a great podcast and it confirmed something I’ve suspected since my teens. I never thought people prepared boys for how women really are.

    I was in the dark for so many years. I liken to having questions, but not knowing what the questions are. I’ve on been here 1 month but I’ve reall almost all of the year 1 stuff at least 3 times. It answered those informed questions.

    I’ve noticed 2 things the last 30 days. I work with alot of women. Blue pill me got attitude, eye rolls and obvious discontent from female. Co workers or others on the team. We got the job done, but my communication skills we’re off. Now.. I don’t get any of that. It’s 100% different. It’s nice, not so much becuase of how women are responding. I’m walking firmly in who I am.

    The second thing I’ve noticed other betas. It’s sad, it reminds of young poor kids I see on the bus. They’ll be talking about getting that money, and doing whatever to ball. I want to tell having shit isn’t worth risking your future. It’s cool but it won’t fufill you. My next though, how can you tell someone whose never had shit, that it’s not worth risking your future. The betas I’ve run into.. It’s the same thing. This refers to the last of the podcast where you guys would engage either close minded people or blatant trolls. Any way great podcast..

  13. Many professional female colleagues have tried the AF blue-collar guy after college and beyond. “Yeah, he’s a tradesman. He’s so good with his hands! See how talented he is, Dad?” (NOT a knock on blue collar, rather diploma mills). Good for the blue collar guy, never quite hypergamously satisfying for her, what the FI claims she deserves. Unintended consequences.

    This depends on location and how far up you are, I think. Professional women I’ve known over the past 30 years or so (these are lawyers and higher level execs, not cubicle folks) don’t tend to go blue collar for husbands, but if they can’t go hyperga-husband, they stay single. I think it may have to do with location (DC, where there are very few blue collar folks anyway, it’s the ultimate white collar town), and I think it also has to do with acceptance among their female peer group (not really done much in this town, so not really accepted).

    However, I have observed this with women who are educated and professional, but lower down the pole, so say teachers, nurses and so on. Not lawyers/execs/lobbyists/hill-staffer types though.

  14. OT

    @kfg

    g web’s hundered day series on dine korp. What’s your take? what am I missing? why is web still alive?

  15. @Fleezer:

    “It’s nothing new.” – g web

    He’s just collating the daily reports of business that’s been ongoing for a very long time, and he really gets less exposure than many of his sources.

    To most people it’s just white noise.

  16. Gender was always a term related to language, not biology. In a sexually reproducing species, the sex of any given organism is determined by the genetic payload it transmits during reproduction. Not by genitalia, but by the payload – which is called a gamete. Cut off your genitals, drown yourself in hormones, do whatever you will – your gamete remains the same.

    I’ve taken to explaining this to SJWs when they prattle on about “gender”, but sadly most of them just look at me dumbly. Most SJWs are slightly smart, but aren’t smart enough to know what they don’t know. Kind of sad, really. Most have never taken an under-graduate level science or maths course either, and blanche at the idea of actual statistics.

    As I’ve said elsewhere, it’s going to come down to force. We can see that the radical left is ready, so am I…

  17. Did a little listening to Roosh’s podcast on the death of nightgame. Not sure he’s wrong in most of what he’s saying, but he’s hugely wrong in his POV.

    Mindset is everything. Roosh’s is a mess. He seems to be flailing about without any real sense of who he is or what he wants. Perhaps he shouldn’t have specialized in Eastern Euro girls, he seems to have missed what was happening in the U.S.

    Thanks @Sentient. I now know I can have whatever I want. Even if there are a lot more chubby chicks around. Even if I’m chubby (down 9lbs since Jan 1 he he!!!, with ease and no suffering or anything). Even if I’m old. @SFC Ton has got it right. She wants to be filled with baby batter, it’s just that some guys can’t get that. Ya just have to give them a reason to let their inner slut out for a walk for a little while. Gotta spike hard and be different.

    In order to be perceived as better, you first must be perceived as different. Are you different? Do you see yourself as different? Do you present yourself this way? My guess is Roosh comes off as aloof and cold and cynical. Ask me how I know that…

  18. Scribblerg –

    Following up on your comment above “We can see that the radical left is ready, so am I…

    Some thoughts….

    Blasphemy! But “inconvenient” truth always is.

    History seems to reveal that “Democracy” (which may fundamentally be just another communistic ideology selling false hope to cowards and beggars) usually morphs into “mob rule” one way or another. This “mob rule” condition cannot endure because it is unstable to the extent that too many cannot tolerate the insecurity of it and it lacks vision and organization. Mob rule is characterized by a lot of bickering, blaming and counterproductive senseless infighting while problems grow. Most people are followers and cannot function without someone or something to follow. Mob rule leads to massive unrest but ultimately the rebirth of new “order”. We are a species innately characterized by social hierarchy with a dominate figure head (throughout history almost exclusively male figureheads, almost without exception). Our elected position of “President” manifests this reality, semi satisfies an innate human social need, requirement. All “civilizations” manifest this reality in various ways. Is our election process not a selection process whereby the masses seek to establish a hierarchy of social dominance? Albeit temporary, the dominance is real and desired. Otherwise there would be no election. The president, senators, congress all wield far more power than you and I. I will only mention supreme court justices. This country was most certainly NOT founded upon the principals of “Judea Christian values”. Those false fantasies are idealistic luxuries temporarily afforded by the conquerors, invaders, and marauding warriors who came here prior to our American selling of those ideologies. They came to a wild continent inhabited by Stone Age people and they hacked out a “civilization” against what cowards consider to be impossible odds. All farmers and adventurers were armed. Today many of their descendants are armed to the teeth. The colonists established new society and advanced across the continent. They committed genocide against the aboriginal people who once inhabited this place. Their actions, those actions, were literally really what created the “foundation” of this country. They did not come here to be “welcomed into the arms of prosperity”. They came to rape, conquer and pillage the natural resources here, and that is what they did. No one was over here inviting them to come here because they were down trodden, poor, hungry and tired as if this place offered unlimited abundance for less effort. America has become the biggest whore the world has ever known!! They, the colonists, raped and pillaged human resources from other continents, kidnapped, transported, separated and enslaved them; they, including some of the “founding fathers”. This is nothing new to humanity; it has been occurring prehistory and blatantly continues, although arguably in less dramatic ways. The documents (Declaration of independence, constitution, bill of rights) were written long after infrastructure was established. They embody words that are a manifestation of what occurred prior to writing them. Those documents are just that and nothing more, just words, which would not have been possible without significant determinant action prior to their writing. It is very important to comprehend that action was absolutely necessary prior to the Declaration and that the Declaration and Constitution are merely words that would have been utter nonsense unless significant action (action not words) had occurred prior along with the determination to exercise additional action, including and especially murder. Today, liberal Americans, and some conservatives, worship those words, liberals conflate their meaning forming lies. Not so many are willing to exercise the same actions that made the words possible to begin with, or back them up. Dominance is not established by the willingness to die for it. Dominance is established by those willing to kill for it. Don’t be fooled by any false mirage of reward for humility, democratic cooperation, and mutual respect. Those are merely frauds employed to help conscript cowards into servitude. People who relocate expecting their new location to support them, or who dream of a life supported by the community, are too cowardly to defend and support themselves and thrive on their own. They are not community establishers, they usurp community established by others. Those who cannot prosper in a prosperous society certainly cannot prosper in a failing one. And, they never make successful warriors. Like their enablers who gain power via cowardly covert usurpation, historically and universally they are vanquished by those who gain and wield overt power. No matter how much the masses are whining and complaining about Trump, Obama, or “Washington”, they want to be led. These are some reasons why a minority with enough fortitude and initiative can gain power over indolent masses through ideology, demagoguery, intimidation and ultimately force.

  19. I enjoyed listening to the podcast. So much so that I was going to suggest to Rollo that it would be awesome if each of his posts had an accompanying MP3 file so men could listen to it if they weren’t able to read it on some device. Until I realised how much of a pain in the arse and time commitment that would be for Rollo.
    There is something about the written word that is… enduring. Unless such an interview has a transcript, how can one search for (or within) its content? How does one quote or cite it? (Betcha Rugby wouldn’t have a problem doing it.)
    Although I have a good auditory memory, my eidetic memory is even better. Whereas I can usually read from my phone just about anywhere, listening to something on it isn’t nearly convenient or semi private.
    It’s a pity this interview didn’t come with a transcript. I think the lack of discussion here comes not because the interview was uninteresting, but rather that few can reliably remember all the topics that were canvassed and what was exactly said.

  20. That was kind of sweet, Tomassi. No complaints from me. “Fostering a conversation,” I think you said. I’m all about fostering communication and the free market place of ideas. Can’t fault you there.

    So anger, misogyny, I think you guys are not seeing it clearly. I think there’s a disconnect, I think you’re perceiving the world as you are. So you yourselves have values, standards, and would never act on all that anger, would never radicalize, and yet it happens all the time. I did spend a good decade directing a domestic violence program, it’s not like I can’t see the truth of who and what men are, and of women, too Do we do any favors repressing, suppressing, all that anger? Of course not, it makes everything so much worse. But there’s a really fine line between giving people a voice and pouring fuel on a raging fire. Where exactly is that line? I don’t really know.

  21. @insanity

    Rollo makes lots of references to Robert Greene’s “48 Laws of Power”. Greene’s basic principle of power is self-control (kind of like the apostle Paul, dontchaknow?). Anger exists, but a man whose mental point of origin is himself must seek power (“the kingdom of God is power, love, and a sound mind”) to accomplish his mission and that power-seeking will be undermined if he lets his emotions control him. A man learns to use his anger to help accomplish his mission.

    Yeah, I know, we don’t reference the Bible much, but the biblical principles of power are very much in focus on Rollo’s blog. We also tend to avoid biblical terminology, so that may confuse you.

  22. Yes, “He that hath no rule over his own spirit is like a city that is broken down, and without walls.”

    Power is not the problem, a lack of power often is. What is radicalization except a last ditch effort of the powerless?

  23. A lack of power is what inhibits so many men from changing their lives for the better…hence, Greene’s book is so useful, especially his basic teaching to control one’s emotions and not let our emotions control us men.

    Mens’ frequent lack of control of their anger causes them to behave inappropriately, especially as regards failing shit tests and responding effectively to things like cuckolding.

    For example, a friend I know is letting his anger and insecurity drive his behavior as regards a woman of interest. Supposedly, she has agreed to exclusivity, but he correctly suspects that she is cheating, but he is letting his anger drive his response and he has failed to 1) train the woman to mateguard herself and 2) Next her after he found out that she was cheating.

  24. “Try to avoid throwing out red herrings.”

    Red Herrings are Russian, as in “Russian trolls.” In the US we use squirrels, not herring.

    “A lack of power is what inhibits so many men from changing their lives for the better…”

    Yes, indeed. Haven’t read Greene’s book.

  25. @insanity

    Women start about half of all domestic violence. Of course, they are damaged more often than men are because men are so much stronger. I blame the Strong, Independent Woman ™ trope for this. I sure as hell wouldn’t start a fight with a man who is twice as strong as I am. Maybe women are just stupid?

  26. @insanity

    Yes, indeed. Haven’t read Greene’s book.

    I’m starting my second read of it. It’s about 500 pages. It and Rollo’s TRM are the only two books other than the Bible which I am reading/have read more than once.

  27. “Women start about half of all domestic violence. Of course, they are damaged more often than men are because men are so much stronger. I blame the Strong, Independent Woman ™ trope for this. I sure as hell wouldn’t start a fight with a man who is twice as strong as I am. Maybe women are just stupid?”

    Actually they’re not stupid at all, they’re brainwashed. Totally clueless, like the Manchurian candidate. It’s gotten progressively worse over the past decade or so, almost like this alien brain virus or something. Don’t laugh, I’ve been watching the down hill slide for sometime now. It’s culture mostly, programming, brainwashing, almost like something out of a sci/fi novel.

    As to women starting fights, we’ve always done that in one form or another. DV is not that simple. A lot of women provoke fights just to stop having to walk on eggshells, just to provoke an incident, so as to relieve his pressure.

    Two different dynamics going on there, complete opposites really. In DV women are actually leading, scrambling to control things from the bottom, often without even being aware of it.

  28. Can’t help Rollo, but you look like Doug from House of Cards on that picture. By the way, thank you so much for your insights on these topic, this blog and your book changed my life. In a good way.

  29. @insanity

    As to women starting fights, we’ve always done that in one form or another. DV is not that simple. A lot of women provoke fights just to stop having to walk on eggshells, just to provoke an incident, so as to relieve his pressure.

    “As to women starting domestic violence, we’ve always done that in one form or another. DV is not that simple. A lot of women initiate domestic violence just to stop having to walk on eggshells, just to provoke an incident, so as to relieve his pressure.”

    Is that what you mean? Or are you confusing the issue between physical violence and normal arguments?

    According to my relationship model, women need drama from time to time, so an intelligent man will provoke drama over an insignificant issue as a firebreak to a woman creating drama around something important.

    “Relieve his pressure” is just her emotional need for drama from time to time (in my model).

    Not sure what you mean by “walk on eggshells” since most women are in control of their LTRs. Maybe a few are with psychopaths, but this is a very small minority.

    Some emotionally-weird women want to be beaten so that they can feel desire for their men and they will provoke physical violence in order to make that happen. Of course, the authorities fail to understand/make allowances for the sexual dynamics in these situations.

    As to verbal abuse, women are the masters of emotional manipulation, so I have to ascribe most verbal/emotional abuse to women. Again, there are male psychopaths who are outliers and are master manipulators and these are a tiny minority.

  30. Bites
    Power is not the problem, a lack of power often is. What is radicalization except a last ditch effort of the powerless?

    What is a woman without a man converted to a bad smell in her attic, except a contentious bitch who wants to control everything and everyone around her, also known as “a feminist”? You aren’t bringing anything positive with your concern trolling, either.

    What’s the matter, Bitesies? Not getting enough attention on your own blog, dearie? Tired of your beta orbiters tellling you how right you are? Imaginary husband not living up to your Alpha needs? Got to have some drama, so you come here?

    We are not forgetting what an ugly girl you are, dearie, murderous mysandric fantasies and all.

  31. What is a woman without a man converted to a bad smell in her attic, except a contentious bitch who wants to control everything and everyone around her, also known as “a feminist”? You aren’t bringing anything positive with your concern trolling, either.”

    That has a decidedly feminine flavor. So are you one of those weak and powerless men I spoke of, or some perversion of womanhood?

  32. “I did spend a good decade directing a domestic violence program . . . ”

    I don’t doubt that in the least, except, perhaps, I think you might be understating the time period. We’d have to ask the smell in the attic about that.

  33. “One Step Closer to Eternity”

    Ha Ha Ha Ha HA

    Bee-ahh-ch…… are you immortal or is your stupidity?

  34. “We’d have to ask the smell in the attic about that.”

    So I take it you’ve never seen Arsenic and Old Lace? Never mind, some of you are just breath takingly stupid.

    Let’s take that facebook page however, the bad girls confessing to all their violent acts against men, the one they were forced to take down. Isn’t there an element of that that promotes and condones violence towards men? Aren’t they basically bragging about it, encouraging others to let their inner psychopath come out to play, too?

    That is the same aspect of the manosphere that often gives me pause, that is what lies at the root of my concerns about praexology outside of the context of values. You can listen to this podcast and see the sweetness there, the healthy conversation being sparked, but there are elements of the ‘sphere that are far darker.

  35. IB writes – Yes, “He that hath no rule over his own spirit is like a city that is broken down, and without walls.”

    So, one who allows “God” to rule their spirit instead of ruling it themselves is like a city that is broken down, and without walls.

    But then in IB world everything is supposed to be ruled by “God” including the reward of immortality for those who allow “God” to rule their spirit.

    Oh that Hebrew orchestrated Semitic communistic hypocrisy! That Jewish brew of shaming lies! instructing all to share, give freely, turn the other cheek, practice humility, cooperation, and avoid competition. So all will shun their natural initiative and no one will pass judgments. What power is there in worshiping cowardice? What honor is there in allowing others to trespass against oneself? Does forgiveness not invite further trespass and advertise subservience? And for what? To be exploited by who? So none will be offended and all will be “saved”? So the human race will spoil into a rotting mass of mediocratic pleasant equanimity? Self extinction.

  36. Actually that proverb, “He that hath no rule over his own spirit is like a city that is broken down, and without walls,” is about you, yourself ruling over you own spirit. An unguarded out of control castle is vulnerable. Isn’t part of your red pill about teaching men how to protect themselves?

    “….instructing all to share, give freely, turn the other cheek, practice humility, cooperation, and avoid competition. So all will shun their natural initiative and no one will pass judgments. What power is there in worshiping cowardice? What honor is there in allowing others to trespass against oneself? Does forgiveness not invite further trespass and advertise subservience? ”

    Sigh. No, no,no. You have got it all backwards which why we really need more Christian men of COURAGE to be POWERFULLY speaking faith to people. I wish I could show you how that is all wrong, how we are really called to judge, “we will judge the angels someday.” We are called to go “boldly before the throne of grace,” and there’s nothing scarier than that, nothing more courageous.

    “Does forgiveness not invite further trespass and advertise subservience?”

    No, it is actually freedom. We are not forgiving people themselves and over looking their bad behavior, we are cutting the ties that keep us bound to them.

    Umm, immigration for example, the never ending drumbeat of racism accusations, that is actually guilt, shame, unforgiveness run amuck. Forgiveness actually relieves you of shame,it makes you stronger and more able to see clearly.

  37. Bites
    So I take it you’ve never seen Arsenic and Old Lace?

    Oh, my, lying like this to try to deflect from your misandry, your murderous fantasies?
    You’re just digging a hole deeper. Are you in Panama yet?

    Let’s take that facebook page however, the bad girls confessing to all their violent acts against men, the one they were forced to take down.

    Did it vex you to have to take down your page? Did all your totally normal sisters rage at you?

    Isn’t there an element of that that promotes and condones violence towards men?

    Why, yes, it is obviously Feminism in action, now that you mention it.

    Aren’t they basically bragging about it, encouraging others to let their inner psychopath come out to play, too?

    Well, it’s like, I dunno! You’re the expert on bragging about violence, encouraging others to let their inner psycho out. Which reminds me, how’s your bad smell in the attic coming along, is your inner psychopath still sated, dearie?

  38. Without reading much more than a few tweets within the last year, nor having listened to any podcasts, it’s still pretty easy to endorse Mark as exactly the kind of person who should be a role model for other young, divorced fathers.

  39. I was disappointed to hear Rollo say that he doesn’t like how men are using the term ‘red pilled’ in things outside of the sexual evo-psych realm. This strikes me as very short sighted and selfish. I think it’s great that men are seeking to red pill themselves in ALL areas of life. Whether it’s about sexual nature, economics, race, spirituality, or food; it’s wonderful to see men striving to uncover Truths.

  40. Wise Man, I simply feel that it’s strayed from its original meaning. I can dig up posts on SoSuave I made back in the early 2000s where we used ‘Red Pill’ and ‘unpluging’ references from a Matrix analogy. Not that it makes much difference now, but there needs to be some qualification for separating ‘Red Pill’ in an intersexual perspective, from every other ideological bent.

    You will find liberals using the term Red Pill to validate their own ideology. We’ve got Cassie Jaye (feminist) and MRAs appropriating it, even after AVfM constantly denounce TRP. If all it represents is a revelation of truth then RP is whatever anyone wants it to mean that validates that ideology.

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