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  1. Great post. This Red Pill awareness is something I stop to think about in every interaction.

    I just texted a girl I banged: “I have a surprise for you…”

    Her reaction was: “Looking forward to it…”

    I had to then analyze, and re-analyze….”Was I being beta?” “Was I trying too hard?” “Is this too much of a people pleasing text???”

    The point is I may in fact be over-thinking it because that whole Red Pill transition even after 7 years is still not yet complete.

    The years of Blue Pill conditioning, the co-dependency, the anxiety are still challenges.

    I still care what others think…very Blue Pill….though it’s becoming less and less.

    The “Awareness” is a way of short-circuiting an action to analyze whether it’s going too far.

    I suspect many of you guys are in the same position and at different stages.

    But “Red Pill Awareness” is a state of mind…game is the execution of that.

    Was my text “beta”? No. I banged her….I was being mysterious, I was being playful and she had initiated the text by thanking me for meeting up with her and without saying it…banging her.

    When I now watch a tv show or movie I look at it from a Red Pill perspective. Is the male lead a beta? I judge the movie based on how well the director and actors/actresses portray the interaction as Red Pill or Blue Pill… If it’s Blue Pill…the outcome has to be consistent with a Blue Pill interaction.. If the guy gets the girl without a Red Pill transformation….it’s not credible to me.

  2. I will never watch a movie about men’s rights made by a woman. And I call anyone who donated money to it instead of men who are in actual need a piece of shit. How many fathers are going without dental work because they’re paying ridiculous amounts of child support. How many dads didn’t vote this election to stay off the grid? How many are living in dumps while their children feel poor unless they have the latest smart phone?

    The money that “men” donated to that self-promoting hag could probably have settled countless custody cases. Or, hey, given men who can’t afford legal representation a lawyer. How many men have just simply given up and don’t even avail themselves of free services because even the lawyers you’d pay an arm and a leg for can’t be paid enough to truly take the man’s side.

    Only an idiot female would raise a bunch of money to “help men” when the money would have been better used kept in their own hands. Honestly, until men start learning to help each other instead of fumduckery like the red pill movie, I truly don’t see much changing.

    Don’t rely on a movie to do an ounce to change whatever circumstance you’re in, divorced fathers. You’re gonna have to face that dragon and fight like hell. And hopefully you’ve got a really fucking persistent woman at your side to fight for you if the battle’s just about killed you. Cause that’s the only way anything happens in this world: you gotta personally make it happen. Lived it. Done.

  3. The lady in red is unattainable.

    The loyal wife is a fiction.

    The ride or die woman will hop off the bitch-seat at the next gas station.

    Because the gas in your tank will run out. You will need to refuel. And other thirsty men will await you there- with hungry eyes, muscles bulging, out numbering you.

    The war bride is also a lot lizard.

    The lot lizard is also your bride, in your human moment.

    Don’t be imperfect, ever.

    If your BOP falters for a nano second, it’ll mean it was all your fault anyway.

    But try living this way ‘forever’ with a hot white western chick currently under 28-29 years old. Because it’ll be the ultimate evaluation of your masculinity- concurrently proving the merit and efficacy of your “mission”.

    Because every man must have a mission. Even when there’s nothing left worth fighting for. Because the red pull isn’t prescriptive. Up to you to manufacture meaning out of some inherently meaningless cause.

    ‘Cause you’ll be lost without one. Books say so. And Jesus and Buddha and all them.

    The need of man to have a mission is a pre fab construct. It is conferring an unproven value judgement call on an uncaring Red Pill reality, as far as RP discussion is concerned.

    I do empathize. Perhaps others do too, if they are not so attached to their Ladies in Red that they’d rather lash out in the defensive crouch of self-concept preservation.

  4. @Rollo

    “The Red Pill was always about intersexual dynamics from as far back as I’ve been familiar with it.”

    Thanks I thought I was the only one.

    A lot of people confuse it with a mix of a mens rights movement , MGTOW and “masculine self improvement” .

    “A popular misconception about the Red Pill – the popularized notion of it, not the actual praxeology – is that it makes men misogynists or it’s inherently negative, or it’s function is ‘truthful anger’.”

    The confusion about what red pill conveniently allows this obscured view of it. Since most popular Manosphere and “Red Pill” sites have a hint ( lol a hint) of Misogyny … Like Heartiste ,Roosh, (ROTK), RP Reddit and most men men are stuck in anger phase. It gives the red pill a negative mainstream view.

    Imagine this… You don’t know of red pill and haven’t written for years ,but instead one day you open a popular “Red Pill” site that’s not TRM. So you see one post about the true nature of women and then move on to the comments and see 20 raging guys posting the nature of women being fucked up and how shitty they are and the fact that they ruin society (lol).

    ^And thats what feminazis and the most of the world like to project red pill as.

    It’s just peeking in the rabbit hole without jumping in. You’ll never be Alice.

    Instead of understanding that its their inherent nature to be the way that they are and that’s just how it is ,and its just them back lashing because their social conditioning is incorrect and women aren’t how they’re told they were.

    ” Anyone versed in The Red Pill praxeology understands just how Blue Pill Todd’s assertions here are (get a pre nup). ”

    I mean if you want kids that seems to be the idea. We’ve discussed marriage and kids and basically this blogs consensus was its impossible to have kids and not be fucked unless you get married in which you can still possible be fucked. So I can’t really say much about that.

    So if you don’t want kids just don’t get married , but love…..

    ” Neither one made any attempt to really research or make any critical inquiry into what The Red Pill is, the dots it connects or the awareness it instills in men before they decided they were qualified to build their own brands around it.

    People who don’t workout are personal trainers. Yeah I agree though They’ll never be Alice and go into the hole and see wonderland for it really is. Once again that’s why I’ll say I like the rational male because its a look into the red pill that’s biased towards misogyny.

    ” Not to split hairs, but I believe this distortion on the part of both Todd and Cassie is intentional.”

    Yea. After all exposing the true nature of women to society doesn’t give you monetary benefits.

    But Yeah Anyways idk Rollo PUA’s have long since held onto the idea of having a family and get married and having kids and what not. What surprises me more is men that consider themselves red pill individuals still want the same thing.

    Though Disgruntled earthling disagrees with me and believes that Red Pill is just the knowledge of the red pill and that the individuals don’t use the knowledge.

    Monogamy is weak. If its promoted its in the disinterest of Men in this society even if its what they want.

  5. I have thought long and hard about the “Red Pill but not Jerk” issue.

    Ultimately I have realized that Red Pill is only placing the man’s needs first. AND centering his actions around his needs.

    As a father of both boys and girls I want to be nice and say that females have an existence outside of men’s needs for procreation. BUT… BUT the reality is that women are here for the purpose of birthing babies. The other activities a woman has in her life are merely anecdotes to that reality.

    A man is not a Jerk to realize he has needs. And further a man finding a way to fulfill those needs, is not something to be shamed.

    What has happened is that modern life has encompassed an “average view” of what proper behavior is. Now that women in modern cultures are ubiquitous their “averaging of human behavior” has yielded a societal view where outright male behavior is derided.

    It does not have to be that way. A man CAN just ignore societal shaming and be a man. If that defines the man as a Jerk so be it.

    What purple pill men REALLY want is to be men but still have women give them good press (good press without shaming by older women). I believe that ultimately a man must DECIDE which constituency he wants to court – Fertile Jerk loving young women, or Infertile Wimp loving older women.

  6. Various rebranding attempts that i’ve observed :-

    1. Alt Right / Trump Supporter
    2. Christian Conservatism / Family values / Traditional Patriachy
    3. Red pill women (oxymoronic?)
    4. Men’s rights
    5. Misogynist

    The red flags that i watch out for are moralizing and game-denialism.

  7. Once again that’s why I’ll say I like the rational male because its a look into the red pill that’s not* biased towards misogyny.

    Huehuehue earlier typo……….. I should proof read one of these days

  8. @JoeK –

    My mom found a wild half-starved kitten once and brought it in. Thus far, its life had obviously been hardscrabble and cutthroat because even at about 8 weeks old the little fucker was always bowed up, hissing, fangs and claws at anything and everything. When we tried to feed it, it was very aggressive and didn’t hesitate to claim and take every bit even from the much larger adult cats.

    Two pieces of food fall about 8 inches apart on the floor. The kitten rushes over and places one paw on each piece so that its arms are stretched out and chest on the floor, hissing and spitting. Now here’s the funny part… it can’t figure out how to eat either bit of food because in order to do that, it has to let go of the other piece first. Funny as hell to watch but later it struck me as quite sad that the life it had so far lived had closed off its ability to see and embrace any of the good in life.

    Nihilism is a dark place and is only comforting because you know what to expect from it. You may not be that way, but it sure seems that you have an angry edge to your writing and set things up in a way that if anyone says otherwise, they are wrong by default.

  9. As long as we have people like you,the core meaning of TRP philosophy will remain untainted.
    But unfortunately,i can see how ‘re-branding’/trademark could stray away many potential individuals from TRP.
    Blue pilled men,can now hamster and excuse their way out of a hard but potentially beneficial truth,with the help and comfort of a dilluted but easier to digest RP.
    The difference now is that BP man have to smash their face one more time and go deeper.

  10. Rollo
    ” Anyone versed in The Red Pill praxeology understands just how Blue Pill Todd’s assertions here are (get a pre nup). ”

    mersonia
    I mean if you want kids that seems to be the idea.

    No. Just no. Prenups can’t say anything about child custody, as has been explained by multiple men including at least one lawyer. Furthermore, prenups can protect wealth but not income. So a billionaire could make sure his Sun Valley house is in his name, while allowing a different house in his bride’s name. Joe Accountant can’t do that, because he only has one house, and it’s most likely going to be part of the joint assets depending on state.

    Dude. Don’t write stuff that isn’t true.

    We’ve discussed marriage and kids and basically this blogs consensus was its impossible to have kids and not be fucked unless you get married in which you can still possible be fucked.

    Pretty much, but notice that prenups have nothing to do with this except for people who are truly wealthy.

    So I can’t really say much about that.

    I can agree with Rollo that for RSD Todd to just casually drop “Have a prenup” into a video is ignorant. Furthermore it’s really, horribly ignorant, because it sends men down the AFC path.
    It proves that RSD may have powerful GameFu, but they know nothing of the Red Pill. They are not competent to give LTR advice to any man.

    That’s serious stuff, and I’d say it to the face of a man from RSD.

    The whole Men’s Human Rights approach has been so flawed for so long. I’m somewhat surprised that VFM hasn’t been decapitated the way Good Man Project was – where the girls kick out the founder – but I still expect it to happen. And when it does, he’ll be totally blindsided, just like an AFC who gets frivorced.

  11. Ang Amer
    What purple pill men REALLY want is to be men but still have women give them good press (good press without shaming by older women). I believe that ultimately a man must DECIDE which constituency he wants to court – Fertile Jerk loving young women, or Infertile Wimp loving older women.

    That’s interesting. For sure, the purple pill is an attempt to have the Red PIll cake and still appease women. This is why it must always fail, obviously. However, I dunno about that older women / younger women dichotomy, women’s ingroup preference applies across age ranges.

    Of course, charming jerkboys always get good some good press from both older women and younger ones.

  12. @Anon Read

    “No. Just no. Prenups can’t say anything about child custody, as has been explained by multiple men including at least one lawyer. Furthermore, prenups can protect wealth but not income. So a billionaire could make sure his Sun Valley house is in his name, while allowing a different house in his bride’s name. Joe Accountant can’t do that, because he only has one house, and it’s most likely going to be part of the joint assets depending on state.”

    Prenup better than no Prenup bud bud. There be more joes than just joe accountant and joe plumber buddy. It’s like a broken condom better than nothing lol

    “I can agree with Rollo that for RSD Todd to just casually drop “Have a prenup” into a video is ignorant. Furthermore it’s really, horribly ignorant, because it sends men down the AFC path.”

    Marriage does this also.

    “It proves that RSD may have powerful GameFu, but they know nothing of the Red Pill. They are not competent to give LTR advice to any man.”

    That’s been stated . Red Pill men shouldn’t waste time on LTR’s anyways.

    “That’s serious stuff, and I’d say it to the face of a man from RSD.”

    Why wouldnt you……. its not like their big and MASCULINE.

  13. mersonia
    Prenup better than no Prenup bud bud.

    Prove it. Or even demonstrate it.

    There be more joes than just joe accountant and joe plumber buddy. It’s like a broken condom better than nothing lol

    How? Explain in detail how a prenup will do anything for an ordinary middle class man, whose total wealth consists of a 401K, maybe a pension plan, a mortgaged house with stuff inside it, and a couple of cars.

    “I can agree with Rollo that for RSD Todd to just casually drop “Have a prenup” into a video is ignorant. Furthermore it’s really, horribly ignorant, because it sends men down the AFC path.”

    Mersonia
    Marriage does this also.

    Dude, you just contradicted yourself. In two comments. Maybe think a little harder before the next comment?

  14. Anonymous Reader

    Give me one reason a man whos going to do walk into a marriage ( why lol) shouldn’t get a prenup.

    Explain in detail how getting an prenup will be detrimental for an ordinary middle class man, whose total wealth consists of a 401K, maybe a pension plan, a mortgaged house with stuff inside it, and a couple of cars.

    “Furthermore it’s really, horribly ignorant, because it sends men down the AFC path.”

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^Marriage

  15. But try living this way ‘forever’ with a hot white western chick currently under 28-29 years old.

    I. Does she do GNO? Is there any ancient wisdom that speaks to this?

    And behold, a woman comes to meet him,
    Dressed as a harlot and cunning of heart.

    She is boisterous and rebellious,
    Her feet do not remain at home; [GNO, anyone?]

    She is now in the streets, now in the squares,
    And lurks by every corner.

    Prov. 7:10-12, New American Standard Bible

    Ditch a girl who does GNO.

    II. Women entice men on facebook and cell phones. Again, we ask, is there any ancient wisdom that tells us what to do?

    “Test all things.” I Thessalonians 5:21

    Inspect, don’t expect. Women should not object to this if they are on the up and up. If a woman refuses, let her go.

    III. Women often have slutty friends. How is this to be handled?

    “He who walks with wise men will be wise, but the companion of fools gets hurt.” (Prov. 13:20, my paraphrase)

    If a woman keeps her slutty friends (fools) and ignores your requests for her to ditch her slutty friends, then ditch her.

    A woman who intends to be loyal will mateguard herself and will be glad to provide evidence of her loyalty ON DEMAND. Anyone who won’t should be ditched. You will likely have to train a woman to walk this path.

    “Mateguarding herself” means “avoiding hot guys and the hookup places where they are found.”

  16. @Joe K(er)

    You are confused, angry and unobservant. Your exhortations about red pill guys (like me) being purple pill are just trolling. You don’t actually read Rollo do you. If you did you can see this original post is a synthesis of over 500 essays and fifteen years of his writing. And it is actually not designed to be negative. Just truth by deduction.

    “The need of man to have a mission is a pre fab construct. ”

    Damn right its a pre-fab construct. By 50,000 years of the evolution of the firmware that makes up males. That is how men operate. Just because the reality around you is shit, doesn’t mean your practical method to operate is to coast.

    “I do empathize. Perhaps others do too, if they are not so attached to their Ladies in Red that they’d rather lash out in the defensive crouch of self-concept preservation.”

    You obviously don’t understand the metaphor of who the lady in red is. Your knowledge is lacking, yet your desire to post is at angry young man troll level. (How old are you and how much disposable wealth are you dealing with out there on your time zone?).

    The lady in red represents the sirens that are really agents to pull a guy back into the non-redpill Matrix. In this case all the usual suspects are ladies in red because of profit motive (Athol, Cassie, Luke, Strauss, Tucker, Roosh, etc.) selling easier “truths”, or distorted “truths”, or opportunistic “truths”.

    It’s not about marriage, monogamy or any one prescription for any one man. So stop trolling about that Joe K. It is about unadulterated red pill and praxeology. And personal masculine agency. If it works for you it works for you. You do you. As Kasey Musgraves says:

    “Pouring salt in my sugar won’t make yours any sweeter
    Pissing in my yard ain’t gonna make yours any greener
    And I wouldn’t know about the rocks in your shoes
    So I’ll just do me and, honey, you can just do you>”

    Background on The Lady in Red:

    Rollo in the OP: “They don’t believe The Lady in Red is real, but they do believe that she’s attainable and can be made real because they have the Red Pill awareness to effect it.”

    http://matrix.wikia.com/wiki/Woman_in_Red

    The Woman in Red (or the Woman in the Red Dress) is a simulated character and notable feature in the Agent training program.

    Meant to appear harmless but to catch trainees’ attention. She is the only character in the program’s city street setting wearing a vibrant shade of red. (In contrast, other pedestrians’ attire is mostly black.) She makes eye contact with the subject and smiles flirtatiously upon crossing paths, then transforms into a simulated Agent, armed and dangerous. The lesson of the program is that any Bluepill can be overwritten by an Agent with little or no warning in the Matrix.

    Agents are programs whose primary function is to eliminate anyone or anything that could potentially reveal the truth of the Matrix to its inhabitants or cause harm to its system.

    A bluepill refers to a human that is not aware of the true nature of the Matrix. Bluepills typically have their bodies and minds remain semi-permanently connected to the power.

    The Ladies in Red are sirens that distract a man from the Real Red Pill (T.M.) as described by Rollo in his own personal brand of Red Pill and try to pull him back into the Matrix either for profit or to be controlled by the Feminine Imperative.

    @Mersonia

    “Red Pill men shouldn’t waste time on LTR’s anyways.”

    No one’s wasting time. They are only for apex red pill men. Move along on that thought.

    “Give me one reason a man whos going to do walk into a marriage ( why lol) shouldn’t get a prenup.”

    They don’t work for 1st marriages. Paradoxically, the better the marriage (length, child rearing and financial success) the less they are worth anything.

    They are designed for third marriages.

  17. Nice perspective Rollo.

    What I’ve witnessed is that not only will women try and abscond with Red Pill, but that many men ( outside of marketeers ) either do one of two things: they take The red Pill like a shotgun blast to the head, or they go overboard into misogyny and/or nihilism. The stages or unplugging for some appear to go on and on and on….for an inordinate amount of time.

    This stuff is hard enough for many to grasp and deal with, and it’d be a real shame if any group of men only saw it as a money-making venture, or something that can be hobbled together and dispersed from some kind of assembly line.

  18. @SJF

    “No one’s wasting time. They are only for apex red pill men. Move along on that thought.”

    Tell me more about this apex red pill man who engages in an LTR .

    “They don’t work for 1st marriages. Paradoxically, the better the marriage (length, child rearing and financial success) the less they are worth anything.

    They are designed for third marriages.”

    …..That’s the point.

  19. “Explain in detail how getting an prenup will be detrimental for an ordinary middle class man, whose total wealth consists of a 401K, maybe a pension plan, a mortgaged house with stuff inside it, and a couple of cars.”

    Honest question: If the daughter of Rollo Tomassi, SJF, Blaximus, or Sentient came home one day and said: “Dad, I want to marry this guy and he asked me to sign a Pre-Nuptual agreement.”

    What message does that say about the prospective son-in-law. Does that sound legit to the wives of any of these fathers. Fucking weak-assed non-committed loser–that’s what.

    My answer would be thank you for having one foot out the door, but no thank you.

    Sure it makes sense for a man to give it a try. (even though it is non-sense in a first marriage where you want children). But good luck selling it. Sure it’s your strategy, but in order for it to be successful, the other party, the girl’s strategy needs to be compromised. Good luck with that, in order for it to work the girl would have to be pretty really fucking stupid in a first marriage.

    You don’t like that assessment? Don’t get married.

    It’s not really a discussion to be had. And it’s been done already. Stick a fork in it.

  20. Joe K is still in the anger stages of unplugging.

    “Unattainable” is not in a Red Pill guys vocabulary because his frame is always about him being the prize.

  21. mersonia
    Give me one reason a man whos going to do walk into a marriage ( why lol) shouldn’t get a prenup.

    No problem, it’s a waste of money unless he’s got serious wealth. Done.

    Now your turn, I asked you to prove or demonstrate something, can’t you do it?

  22. “Tell me more about this apex red pill man who engages in an LTR .”

    You don’t read the (frequent) OMG commenters over the last two years much, right? How unhappy are those guys consistently and authentically sounding? How much whining are these guys doing about Red Pill realities?

    Is Red Pill Awareness a positive or negative thing?

    Are you happy?

    Do you have agency and real power?

    If not what are you going to do about it?

    It has nothing to do with prescribing a platform for another man’s sexual strategy, his relationship strategy, or his child bearing strategy. What do you not understand about non-prescriptive language.

    SfcTON got it right last thread. Don’t lecture what other’s should do. (If I ever did that in the past rather defend my choices, Umm, Sorry? I was wrong. or mis-interpreted.)

  23. @SJF

    “Honest question: If the daughter of Rollo Tomassi, SJF, Blaximus, or Sentient came home one day and said: “Dad, I want to marry this guy and he asked me to sign a Pre-Nuptual agreement.”

    “What message does that say about the prospective son-in-law. Does that sound legit to the wives of any of these fathers. Fucking weak-assed non-committed loser–that’s what.

    My answer would be thank you for having one foot out the door, but no thank you.”

    Its going to be a sad day when she says ” Dad I respect your decision but I “LOVE” him and I’m going through with this and marrying this non committed loser”

    Not that I would want to marry her…. just string her along as long as I’m pleased with her.

    “Sure it makes sense for a man to give it a try. (even though it is non-sense in a first marriage where you want children). But good luck selling it. Sure it’s your strategy, but in order for it to be successful, the other party, the girl’s strategy needs to be compromised. Good luck with that, in order for it to work the girl would have to be pretty really fucking stupid in a first marriage.”

    Its amazing what attraction can make a girl do.

  24. @ Joe K…

    The lady in red is unattainable.

    The loyal wife is a fiction.

    The ride or die woman will hop off the bitch-seat at the next gas station.

    Because the gas in your tank will run out. You will need to refuel. And other thirsty men will await you there- with hungry eyes, muscles bulging, out numbering you.

    The war bride is also a lot lizard.

    The lot lizard is also your bride, in your human moment.

    Don’t be imperfect, ever.

    If your BOP falters for a nano second, it’ll mean it was all your fault anyway.

    But try living this way ‘forever’ with a hot white western chick currently under 28-29 years old. Because it’ll be the ultimate evaluation of your masculinity- concurrently proving the merit and efficacy of your “mission”.

    Because every man must have a mission. Even when there’s nothing left worth fighting for. Because the red pull isn’t prescriptive. Up to you to manufacture meaning out of some inherently meaningless cause.

    ‘Cause you’ll be lost without one. Books say so. And Jesus and Buddha and all them.

    The need of man to have a mission is a pre fab construct. It is conferring an unproven value judgement call on an uncaring Red Pill reality, as far as RP discussion is concerned.

    I do empathize. Perhaps others do too, if they are not so attached to their Ladies in Red that they’d rather lash out in the defensive crouch of self-concept preservation.

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    •”A certain Liquor which they call Coffee…which will soon intoxicate the brain.” — G. W. Parry (1601)

    •”Within the next few decades, autos will have folding wings that can be spread when on a straight stretch of road so that the machine can take to the air.” — Eddie Rickenbacker, ‘Popular Science,’ July 1924

    •”But what … is it good for?” — Engineer at the Advanced Computing Systems Division of IBM, 1968, commenting on the microchip.

  25. Praxeology? Wow, that means that the Red Pill is the second branch of praxeology to be developed! What took so long? 🙂

  26. @SJF

    “You don’t read the (frequent) OMG commenters over the last two years much, right? How unhappy are those guys consistently and authentically sounding? How much whining are these guys doing about Red Pill realities?”

    Don’t consider anyone here a Apex Red Pill individual

    “Is Red Pill Awareness a positive or negative thing?”

    Depends on the individual . Understanding Objective Reality is Amazing in my opinion. Ignoring it also amazing in my opinion.

    “It has nothing to do with prescribing a platform for another man’s sexual strategy, his relationship strategy, or his child bearing strategy. What do you not understand about non-prescriptive language.”

    It’s not about marriage, monogamy or any one prescription for any one man. So stop trolling about that SJF It is about unadulterated red pill.

    “SfcTON got it right last thread. Don’t lecture what other’s should do. (If I ever did that in the past rather defend my choices, Umm, Sorry? I was wrong. or mis-interpreted.)”

    Glad you understand the error of your ways. Progress is being made.

  27. “Prenup better than no Prenup bud bud.”

    Having a prenup is pretty much useless. Having a prenup and thinking it actually means shit is pretty much a disaster.

  28. @Kfg

    “Having a prenup is pretty much useless. Having a prenup and thinking it actually means shit is pretty much a disaster.”

    sums up marriage

  29. @mersonia

    Though Disgruntled earthling disagrees with me and believes that Red Pill is just the knowledge of the red pill and that the individuals don’t use the knowledge.

    I’m not so disgruntled anymore – I just like the name…

    Wasn’t aware I disagreed with you (maybe I did but my short term memory isn’t what it used to be – and I’m not here for the conflict), but I do remember saying something about knowledge – or what Rollo terms as praxeology. What individuals do with the knowledge is up to them. Hopefully they have the maturity to get by the anger phase and start developing as a new unplugged person in their own way. I know I did.

  30. Now comes Mersonia… to waddle and quack…

    All wet and KJ’ing his heart out…

    and this Joe K is a troll…

    quack.

  31. @DisgruntledEarthling

    It was a misunderstanding I guess/

    ” What individuals do with the knowledge is up to them. Hopefully they have the maturity to get by the anger phase and start developing as a new unplugged person in their own way. I know I did.”

    Good stuff mate

  32. “The loyal wife is a fiction.

    All bow before @Joe K, the Omniscient. lol”

    Just basic human psych. Joe K is probably as likely (in his circle of influence/understanding), to come across a woman (or perhaps anyone else, just basing this analysis on his posting style) who places a premium on loyalty, as he is to come across a two dollar bill. It’s so rare it’s pretty much a myth. Kind of like the average Sanders/Nader/insert whomever voter couldn’t imagine anyone was voting for anyone else.

  33. Rollo

    “This awareness makes men sensitive to others around him who, like he was, are caught in the same Blue Pill conditioned way of interpreting his personal and social existence.”

    The Oracle: Because you didn’t come here to make the choice, you’ve already made it. You’re here to try to understand *why* you made it. I thought you’d have figured that out by now.

  34. Great post. I’ve been a reader of this blog for about a year; red pill aware about two years ago from a difficult breakup with my (pretty much) fiancé and I couldn’t agree more with this article, specifically:
    “There is a lot to be very positive about in Red Pill awareness, but the ugly truth is that your Blue Pill existence, and the idealism it used to promise you, is now dead. As I’ve stated before, the truth will set you free, but it doesn’t make that truth pretty, nor does it absolve you of accepting it. Red Pill awareness is upsetting, but what follows from that unplugging, whether it’s anger and frustration or liberation and hopefulness is not the focus of becoming ‘aware’ in a Red Pill perspective.”

    At this point I’m trying to fight the urge to become (or stay) fully jaded.

  35. @Blax

    •”But what … is it good for?” — Engineer at the Advanced Computing Systems Division of IBM, 1968, commenting on the microchip.

    Making keyboard jockeying possible, you Ninny! 😉

  36. “Don’t consider anyone here a Apex Red Pill individual”

    That is definitely a problem. When you want to get agency and have real power, you should look to individuals that do and not be so skeptical. Do you at least have any fleeting mentors for your own mission? Purpose and mission is actually a thing for males (firmware). Ignore your true nature and the nature of women at your own risk.

    Do you actually have an aversion for you as a man to have strength, courage, mastery and honor (among men)? Do you actually not like and derive energy from women? If not, what the hell are you doing here? Waving your own flag? Virtue Signaling? Whining? Crying? Hoping for Cheat Codes? Waiting for Godot?

    What are you trying to do with yourself? Fake until you make it to agency, power and the ability to be perceived by a woman to have PDA? Are you getting traction or just spinning your wheels in the mud?

    Who are you and what do you want to do?

    “Glad you understand the error of your ways.”

    I don’t recall making many errors in my way in life. I fully admit to previously not being able to express my ways well. Sorry for that. At least I try and succeed personally, even if not expressing my well for others.

    The goal is strategy and power. How you faring in that? I’m rounding third and heading for home.

  37. “Waiting for Godot?”

    A fool’s mission. When Rosencrantz and Guildenstern get back nobody’s going to give a crap about Godot.

  38. You would think these RSD guys with their “mastery” of game would take the time and actually research more into what TRP actually is. Or like Rollo alluded to, they in fact know it but are just marketers rebranding it to make bank, I wouldn’t be surprised.

    That’s probably the first RSD video I have seen that actually attempts to discuss TRP in any detail and its terrible, then again I stopped watching this crap a while ago.

    Btw, where’s YaReally? His great RSD educators just embarrassed themselves lol

  39. The big problem I have with all of the men’s rights movements is that their existence implies that men be treated and treat themselves as victims. Women go on journeys of self-discovery. Men make themselves – period. You can’t forge a male identity by being a victim and you cannot get someone else to do it for you by proxy. Which is why I like Rollo’s assertion that men need to make themselves better men. Anyone who tells you that they can change your life is trying to sell you something. The only person who can change your life is you.

    When I heard that a documentary called The Red Pill was being made by a woman I was not surprised, merely jaded at the usual hijacking. When some big names in the manosphere actively helped the bitch and gave her money I was flabbergasted. But no matter how hard a man publicly holds to his principles, if he’s beta at heart then his actions will betray him at the first sign of a hot girl in a red dress walking past.

  40. Also, anyone seen videos of RSD Luke? Its the fat guy that is “flipping” everything on its head and basically reversing game tactics like saying you should be needy, you shouldn’t isolate, etc. LOL there no end to this stuff.

  41. “You can’t forge a male identity by being a victim . . .”

    . . . nor can you do so without standing up for your rights.

  42. @Adam:

    Nope. I am saying that having rights is a consequence of having balls.

    What I have said previously is that there is only one actual natural right, the others all being dependent corollaries to that one.

    The 300 and the 10,000 were all men.

  43. Just watched the entire Todd Valentine video. Talk about painful, particularly the bearded freak that shows up and starts talking at the speed of a teenage girl.

    One thing spiked my interest as he used some poker terminology. I’ve been in the poker world for a fairly long time so I did a little search on Todd. Came up with a thread on the 2+2 poker forum where a poster challenges Todd’s claim that he was a winning player at 600/1200 limit hold em. That is a huge game requiring a bankroll of around 400 grand. I might do some digging with my LV and LA poker contacts and see if anyone has ever heard of him. I very much doubt that he is telling the truth.

  44. kfg,

    Having respect is a consequence of having balls. Not rights. Don’t conflate the two. A real man does not require rights to be a man. Rights are bestowed by someone else.

  45. “You would think these RSD guys with their “mastery” of game would take the time and actually research more into what TRP actually is. Or like Rollo alluded to, they in fact know it but are just marketers rebranding it to make bank, I wouldn’t be surprised.”

    Tyler and Julien have actually synthesized it, but they have have a $broader$ mission.

    “Btw, where’s YaReally? His great RSD educators just embarrassed themselves lol”

    They have not embarrassed themselves at all. Because the are true to form.

    And YaReally is just taking a well deserved sabbatical to find himself after a great performance in posting for the manosphere for PUA tactics. The guy is going to go down in the Hall of Fame in the manosphere because of that great run. He just needs to find his bearings and follow his compass. And maybe he could acknowledge red pill instead of pay lip service to it. Red pill is not needed for PUA Game. But it serves to round out a masculine life with real power and enlightened self interest. I got nothing bad to say about YaReally, except his 2% feelings about marriage and kids in the modern world of which he devoted too much time writing about. Well beyond his 2% stipend.

    Libertine life is not a purpose and a pursuit. I’ve been reading the book written about Giacomo Cassanova by Laurence Bergreen and I’m not impressed with the outcome. Seems a fun romp before good condoms were developed, but otherwise non-impressive. Good red pill insights, but the yearning is un-redeeming of goals and style points. It is actually blue pill PUA. (nominally purple pill, which is an accusation Joe K loves to throw around and is actually psychological projection. Joe wants Blue Pill validation without doing the work of Red Pill).

    The Casanova Book is the basis of Mystery Method and I don’t judge the methods, I judge the outcomes and the motivations of the protagonist. Red Pill is Amoral, not the same as immoral at all.

  46. Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are sycophants who are really serving as spies. They don’t actually get back (in Hamlet). They are pawns in the Matrix.

    Good luck with that lack of agency. Mersonia and Joe K are them. (Vladimir and Estragon)

    Just Pawns waiting for Godot. Which is existential nihilistic bathos, Blah, Blah, Blah. Nothing to live for. Everything to claw down, whining, biting and taking everything they can down with their worldview.

    But they can’t actually define their worldview. That would take effort and a slight bit of pain because of lack of power and agency.

    My take: They can’t fully keep down the red pill. They are skeptical of it. They have some other undertide agenda. They chomp at the bit they have in their mouth. The accuse others of not being red pill, when there is no evidence against that.

    Sigh.

  47. After reading this and watching the clips,I will forego buying a ticket to the red pill movie and instead buy another copy of “Iron Joe Bob” the “real founder of the men’s movement”.
    Just watching the clip pisses me off,and Joe Bob Briggs is always good for some laughs.

    Can’t waste time being mad about what can or can’t be changed.

  48. @Adam: “Having respect is a consequence of having balls. Not rights.”

    I meant balls literally, although the metaphorical follows from that.

    Having respect comes from invoking your single real right.

    “Rights are bestowed by someone else.”

    And there is your misconception. I would have thought that invoking the 300 and the 10,000 (both of the 10,000 for that matter) would have been sufficient clue.

    Let me quote the leader of of the 300:

    “Molon Labe.”

    And of the 10,000:

    “But if any other course, in any one’s opinion, be better than this, let him, even though he be a private soldier, boldly give us his sentiments; for the safety, which we all seek, is a general concern.”

    And of the second 10,000:

    “There are not enough chinamen in the world to stop a fully armed Marine regiment from going where ever they want to go.”

  49. @ Blax

    You saved me tonight with all those quotes.

    Those are really inspiring.

    And a perfect demonstration of why not to give in to cynicism/depression. Long story short: naysayers are full of shit.

    @ Rollo

    Read through the OP and only watched a few minutes of each video.

    I don’t know how you have the patience for dissecting all that stuff, but I’m glad you do, because your rebuttals are so well constructed that they’re irrefutable.

    Bastardization for profit is quite an ugly thing. And only serves to stunt the growth of men who need the *real* unprocessed truth, in all its harshness.

    My own growth has been tremendous. My anger at women is ALWAYS tempered by Red Pill awareness these days. The *real* Red Pill has saved me from a path of self-destruction.

    In exchange for tons of intense anger, pain, frustration, confusion, denial, etc. But as the years have gone by since I first discovered TRP, those feelings have slowly worked themselves out, and the end result is being more emotionally stable than I’ve ever been in my entire life.

    It’s also worth pointing out that TRP doesn’t CAUSE these bad feelings. It simply brings them to the surface.

    Better to go through all the difficult emotions while reading about TRP, instead of when you find your wife fucking some other guy and then going to prison for your whole life after murdering both of them.

    As depressing as TRP is at first, I think of it like this:

    Is it more depressing to be the guy who murders his wife and the guy she’s cheating on him with?

    Or is it more depressing to be the guy who walks in, sees the situation, walks out, and goes and has a threesome with a couple 18 year old HB9s?

    That’s just an imaginary scenario, of course. But that’s the whole point. The REAL Red Pill will change you from the inside out, right down to what you fantasize about with women, how in touch with your sexual desires you are, how you manifest your self respect and assert yourself in the world….

    ….people are being done a huge disservice. Even if the Blue Pill ideal *was* attainable, it’s a pitiful ghost of potential joy and fulfillment compared to what a genuine Red Pill awareness offers.

    What a sad thing for a man to do. To want to trade in his integrity, thirst for life, ambition, and the raw assertive energy that makes him a man, for a paltry consolation prize of having a Blue Pill ideal relationship with a woman.

    What real Red Pill awareness does is make you not want to settle for tablescraps. And it makes you aware that even if a Blue Pill ideal were possible, it would be SETTLING to have that, as opposed to a RP aware and RP fulfilling life.

    As the Zen saying goes, once a mirror is broken, it will never reflect again….so it is with TRP. You know commercial “Red Pill” shit is fake when people don’t fundamentally change from “learning” it. Actually, it seems to simply magnify their current desires and state of mind and perspective, as opposed to emptying the cup and replacing it with something else.

    i.e. Children with Dynamite. Blue Pill AFC’s that know how to run Game enough to get laid and then run themselves into the ground when their ONE-itis sleeper cells awaken.

    What a world, right? People will shell out thousands of dollars for tablescraps when the real treasure in life is free.

  50. Also, I’ve said this before, but it’s worth repeating:

    I love my male friends. And more so than ever since TRP. I used to be so distracted by being incel that I was bearing a grudge against all my friends for having sex with women regularly. I felt so fucked up and angry and alienated.

    Now that I’ve gotten some experience, and more importantly, RP awareness to go with it…I am truly enjoying my time with my friends like I never thought possible. I used to fantasize about a blue pill relationship with a woman, and felt listless and empty dreaming about how it would fulfill me…

    …a lot of times while I was hanging out with my friends. Now when I’m with my friends I’m REALLY with them, and every moment we spend together is like winning the lottery.

    So another plus is that losing Blue Pill idealism is that you can truly appreciate the moment and every single thing in your life that has nothing to do with women. Which is, funnily enough, MOST EVERYTHING in a man’s life.

    I am having the time of my life right now about to go hang out with my best friend. Slowly with RP awareness it was like a fog was lifting that allowed me to enjoy my life for what it was, without the distraction of Blue Pill idealism and dreams.

    Same goes for my passions and hobbies too, of course. Blue Pill idealism takes up a lot of space in your head and it can end up in wasted time until you die…..unless you find the real RP and unplug. TRP is easily one of the best things that ever happened to me in my life and very well could have saved my life at this point, and more than a few times.

  51. A professor of mine coined a phrase which amply best reviews the Red Pill Movie:

    It fills a useful void.

    The vid may be a fetching chick’s journey to fitter us sad sacks our and maybe become some MRA’s dream Red Dress Woman. Sure, it’s useless as a first look at the red pill. But a whole lotta SJW’s and special snowflake hipsters pitched quite the hissy fit that it was even proposed, let alone made. There was much twit-warring to kill it and it’s funders. Jezebelians made it a crusade. They didn’t want any man to even know it existed! Badthink! Still don’t!

    This tells me something.

    Wrong headed or not, this movie strikes a hysterical nerve. Try showing it on certain campuses and watch the Trigglypuffs and ski cap neckbeards fall about! That level of discomfort is, well, comforting. Just that the subject is being brought up, however clumsily.

    That is to be encouraged, though I know it means more work for real TRP guides trying to help the real searchers.

    I’m a free speech absolutist. Anything that gives so many snot noses the vapors is something I want to encourage, however imperfect. Just like calling out bollocks over rap lyrics or backmasking on classic rock records.

    This also goes for the FIRE movie, Why Can’t We Take A Joke, about suppression of comedy and artistic expression by doubleplusgood thinking ninnies. Soon to be joined by alt righters when they get called out on their fake news.

    I’ve descanted about comedian Lenny Bruce before. Here’s how far we’ve come: in 2017 he’d still get busted for doing How to Relax Colored People At Parties or “Tits And Ass”.

  52. The one spot I can’t recall Rollo ever addressing is the societal impact of the red pill. As I’ve come to understand it, Western Civilization was built on the backs of happy beta males doing what they needed to do to make their “woman” happy. Feminism came in and took an axe to the old rules and the mostly church enforced social constructs are now all but gone. The TRM version of the red pill excels at saving the individual male, but I’m not sure how it saves society.

    The AVM branch of the red pill simply hasn’t given up on society. They will always embrace a more equalist frame because they are as concerned about saving Western Civilization as they are with saving individual men. To that end, a movie like “The Red Pill” goes a long way. They are aiming for a purple pill with just enough blue in it to keep the average beta engineer going back to work to make his personal unicorn happy.

    I hesitate to call them wrong for their efforts. I don’t think they will be successful though. I think when civilizations reach this point collapse is inevitable. Eventually a new society will rise up from the ashes and it will be patriarchal out of necessity and it all starts over.

    Has anything been written here yet that addresses this? Everywhere I look I see western men disengaging and western women inviting in their 3rd world patriarchal replacements. How does one fully embrace the TRM version of the red pill without becoming nihilistic with respect to society?

  53. @Mersonia and Joe K(er)

    You guys remind me of this: trying to kick you off our pant legs with you scratching at the hull of the red pill. Like trying to shake a booger off after picking a nose. Clawingly relentless of of you.

    “Nautical Disaster”

    I had this dream where I relished the fray
    And the screaming filled my head all day
    It was as though I’d been spit here
    Settled in, into the pocket
    Of a lighthouse on some rocky socket
    Off the coast of France, dear
    One afternoon four thousand men died in the water here
    And five hundred more were thrashing madly
    As parasites might in your blood
    Now I was in a lifeboat designed for ten and ten only
    Anything that systematic would get you hated
    It’s not a deal nor a test nor a love of something fated
    The selection was quick, the crew was picked in order
    And those left in the water
    Got kicked off our pant leg
    And we headed for home
    Then the dream ends when the phone rings
    “You doing all right?”
    He said, “It’s out there most days and nights
    But only a fool would complain”
    Anyway, Susan, if you like
    Our conversation is as faint a sound in my memory
    As those fingernails scratching on my hull

  54. ” How does one fully embrace the TRM version of the red pill without becoming nihilistic with respect to society?”

    Society is the purview of women.

  55. This thing is on for real. Big time.

    “The TRM version of the red pill excels at saving the individual male, but I’m not sure how it saves society.”

    It doesn’t. Why do you think Frame is Power?

    “I think when civilizations reach this point collapse is inevitable.”

    A reasonable assumption. What are you going to do about that for you?

    “Eventually a new society will rise up from the ashes and it will be patriarchal out of necessity and it all starts over.”

    Oh Really You have those forecasting abilities?

    “How does one fully embrace the TRM version of the red pill without becoming nihilistic with respect to society?”

    Free will and choice?

  56. AVfM is not a branch of the Red Pill. In fact, up until Jaye decided to do a film ostensibly about them, MRAs have gone to great lengths to dissociate themselves from anything TRP. They adopt it now because it has brand recognition, but the moment anyone in the mainstream associates Roosh or PUAs or TRP with the MRM they raise hell to disown the Red Pill.

    MRAs are Blue Pill as any Beta you know. Every major character in the MRM suffers from the same egalitarian equalist mindset, only it’s worse because unlike feminists who use equalism for convenience, they actually believe the lie.

    Their continued allies of convenience arrangements with feminists who are anti-feminists highlights their resistance to ever coming to terms with the innate differences between the sexes. They are not a branch of the Red Pill, they are very much plugged in.

  57. @Anon

    “Have you told anyone at RSD this? Like RSD “have a prenup” Todd?”

    I have never been an advocate of RSD ,and only watched their videos yareally linked due to the fact that they had good infields and some good material on social conditioning.

    If you feel so strongly about it you should be and active apex red pill male and reach out to them and show them the error of their ways though.

    I have told you before I rarely have time to even bless you with my comments on here honey.

    @SJF

    “That is definitely a problem. When you want to get agency and have real power, you should look to individuals that do and not be so skeptical. Do you at least have any fleeting mentors for your own mission? Purpose and mission is actually a thing for males (firmware). Ignore your true nature and the nature of women at your own risk.”

    Nope I don’t “Don’t consider anyone here a Apex Red Pill individual” Its not a problem buddy.

    “Do you actually not like and derive energy from women”

    Women are great. They’re also soft inside. It’s like their moving Twinkies.

    ” Fake until you make it to agency, power and the ability to be perceived by a woman to have PDA”

    ^ Doesn’t Mean Anything

    “I don’t recall making many errors in my way in life.”

    What a life that is.

    “Mersonia and Joe K are them”

    I’d rather not be put in a box with Joe….. Cause if a women gets thrown in too I’ll probably fuck her and we’d be playing patty cake and stuff and he’ll be talking about a lady in red and i’ll be “just like shut the fuck up bro” and he’lll reply about how he has to get out the box to post on the rational male because sjf and blax are waiting for him to continue arguing and things that don’t really matter.

    “Which is existential nihilistic bathos, Blah, Blah, Blah. Nothing to live for. Everything to claw down, whining, biting and taking everything they can down with their worldview.”

    Nah thats the mainstream view of RP though. Once you accept shit you understand

    And then life begins (really begins)

  58. “Society is the purview of women.”

    Yes it most certainly is. What does a guy do about it?

    So get up off your ass as a man and make the scope of the influence or concerns of something be in your frame.

    ? Make your range of experience or thought your own mental point of origin?

    You guys are fighting, rather than embracing Rollo’s Red Pill praxeology and not understanding the ideology of the Feminine Imperative..

  59. Blue Pill idealism is to some extent realizable if the female will totally surrender to the man of her choice. No exceptions. The man she chooses is her boss.

    It also means she is paying attention to her responses so she understands herself. And she has to accept her responses as valid.

    The odds are against it.

    But it is a very old concept. So old it is mentioned in the Old Testament. Which makes it well over 2,000 years old.

  60. My red pill conversion led me to the conclusion that to be able live life on the terms that I want I would need to make some changes that most men would consider dangerous.

    I decided that I would derive my income from the black economy .
    I decided that I needed the ability to prosper in this economy independent of my location.

    I’m no longer prepared to pay taxes to support what society has become, the only taxes that I will pay are the unavoidable indirect taxes that are built-in to my expenditure.

    I refuse to endure corporate life and HR department bullshit, I also refuse to endure the red tape and expense that goes with running a legitimate business.

    This is where the red pill has led me personally and I understand and accept the risks and responsibilities that come with my new life, the path I’ve chosen is not for everyone and nor should it be. We are all free to absorb the information here and decide what best to do with it given each of our own set of unique circumstances.

    That’s what makes the red pill so powerful, it’s not a prescriptive ideology, it’s simply knowledge of how things really are.
    What you do with that knowledge is up to you.

    I decided to use my acceptance of red pill truths to construct a life that I believe will offer the best chance for me to enjoy what’s left of it ( women being an important part of that, I like pussy too much to go MGTOW). But I acknowledge that the choice I have made is not a positive one as far as society at large is concerned, but given the current state of affairs I’ve made the best choice for myself given the environment I find myself operating in.

    Once you become aware of the fact that you are effectively being “farmed” for benefit of both the state and the FI and that if you play by the rules you have very little agency or power, what is a Man supposed to do with this information?

    I decided to reject the rules and do what best serves my interests within the scope of my own moral compass. The rest be damned

    Please no questions about my business activity I will not respond on that subject.

  61. > Their want is to find some way to achieve a Blue Pill idealistic goal with the very harsh reality a Red Pill awareness brings to them. They want to be reinserted back into the Matrix, but with just enough Red Pill awareness to make their Blue Pill hopes a reality. They don’t believe The Lady in Red is real, but they do believe that she’s attainable and can be made real because they have the Red Pill awareness to effect it.

    If the Blue Pill goal is marriage and 2.5 kids, what is the Red Pill goal? King of my world, harem ready for my needs? Or MGTOW? Or marriage, but on the man’s terms?

  62. To me, the red pill is a verb, not a noun. The RSD Cyphers try to treat it like a proper noun, but they are wrong. You can’t trademark a verb.

    @Rollo, I believe this is the best post I’ve ever read from you.

  63. @Guest

    “If the Blue Pill goal is marriage and 2.5 kids, what is the Red Pill goal? King of my world, harem ready for my needs? Or MGTOW? Or marriage, but on the man’s terms?”

    The Red Pill goal is what you want

  64. “If the Blue Pill goal is marriage and 2.5 kids, what is the Red Pill goal? King of my world, harem ready for my needs? Or MGTOW? Or marriage, but on the man’s terms?”

    Yes.

    Red Pill is descriptive, not prescriptive. It frees a man to define his own goals. Hence the issue of dealing with nihilism.

  65. “@Rollo, I believe this is the best post I’ve ever read from you.”

    I was thinking the same thing. And presuming it is a cornerstone of his third book.

    I was also thinking it must be confusing for someone that is un-initiated to read. (Do those new to red pill read the 12 nested links in the essay and then read those other 12 essays?)

    Like @TheRedGuest with a false premise.

  66. So Rollo, is Dalrock blue pill? The term “blue pill goals” keeps getting thrown around but what about those that hold to literal God given objective standards of morality and social order. Was Moses blue pill in 13th century BC?

    It seems like “in favor of Patriarchal Monogamous Marriage” is equated with blue pill when those societies beat out other cultures in history. You can recognize that it is illegal in the current climate but I don’t see how wanting it to return is blue pill, if society breaks down it will make a comeback like it always had.

  67. That director’s boyfriend gives off a weird vibe. Maybe because he is not used to being in front of the camera.

  68. “With that unplugging comes a drive for self-improvement once a formerly Blue Pill guy has his moment of clarity and begins to see the influences that have shaped his life and his beliefs up to that stage.”

    it’s that time of year when “self-improvement” pops up. diet, gym, blah, whatever. and none of it ever sticks. why?

    because the idea of self-improvement is cash cow bs.

    the hopi have been living continuously on black mesa for longer than anyone else has been living in the same spot in north america. their life sucks. but it was good enough to stay for 1000+ years. now imagine how shitty life was 20,000 or 30,000 or 40,000 years ago. nasty, short, brutish sums it up well.

    we all descend from dudes who made it through some serious shit. they didn’t have time to worry about self improvement because all their energy went into simply survivng and reproducing. and maybe some rock art.

    instead of setting some “goal”, just remove all the stuff that isn’t really you and resume your original nature, a.k.a. take the red pill

    thanks to Rollo, every single man on earth could do this. and the only cost to him is the time it takes to read the words. thanks Rollo.

  69. Under the old set of books, under the previous social contract that held monogamous/marriage relations as a mutual benefit, a contract that respected men as the primary Frame holder in those arrangements, sure, that may have been very Red Pill.

    Alpha is a mindset, not a demographic.

    What is Blue Pill today is the conditioning of men to cultivate them for servitude and deference to the feminine. Blue Pill is not about what you are, it’s about what you’re taught in accordance to your utility as a man while preventing you from being aware of it. In this era, for the past 4-5 generations, the Blue Pill has been about raising boys to be Betas in Waiting; to convince them it is their responsibilities as men to prepare themselves to be instruments of the Feminine Imperative.

    That conditioning has replaced the old social contract with one that serves the Feminine Imperative.

  70. Married Dread Field Report

    I told Mrs. Gamer that a woman had invited me to her party.

    Mrs. Gamer: How do you know her?

    Gamer: We both go to the same meetup.

    Mrs. Gamer: Does she know that you’re a married man? [Disparagingly] What kind of woman is she? She must not think that you’re happily married, if you even are.

    Ta-dum. Dread strikes again. I smile at Mrs. Gamer and go do my stuff. Mrs. Gamer goes upstairs to work. After a couple of hours, I go see Mrs. Gamer at her keyboard. She turns to me when I walk into the room…she’s lit up.

    Mrs. Gamer: Where have you been? Did you come to see me?

    Gamer: Well, I felt like being obnoxious, but there wasn’t anyone downstairs.

    Mrs. Gamer giggled.

    And that’s how it’s done.

  71. ” . . . picture a cave man pounding two rocks together . . . ”

    Better yet, try it. You will likely find yourself, after only a fairly short span of time, seeking better rocks for the purpose and experimenting with better banging technique.

    And so we go from this:

    To this:

    To these:

  72. Here is a parody about “sensitive” boys by SNL recently.

    I think this is great, as it makes fun of the mantra that boys should get in touch with their “sensitive side”……

    Good to see main a stream television program is laughing at males who are “sensitive”.

  73. @Rollo
    Good post (I’m realizing I don’t actually say that often enough)

    Some nuances I want to pick on:

     It is not founded in pessimism, cynicism or misogyny, but rather, honest, unvarnished assessments and correlated experiences of men. 

    I don’t see “cynicism” and ” honest, unvarnished assessment” as mutually exclusive.

    A quick Google search yields me the following result:

    an inclination to believe that people are motivated purely by self-interest; skepticism.

    This, to me, seems like it’s mostly an accurate assessment. From an evolutionary perspective, and a personal one, unfettered altruism is unsustainable. Acting without regard for one’s self-interest, in the long term, usually results in getting swept aside for those who keep their own interests in mind.

    Furthermore, my response to “truthful anger” is, “so what?” It is a shaming strategy, with no substance behind it. “Well you’re right, but you’re angry!”

    What’s wrong with being angry? It is a natural human response, and certainly more useful than rolling over and supplicating to anyone and everyone who doesn’t like what you have to say. I don’t see you, or the majority of regulars here as angry, but even if they were – why does that matter?

    Finally, misogyny. Does that term really have any meaning at this point? In my mind, it’s basically short for “what you’re saying is true, but I don’t like it so I’m going to try to make people dislike you with a label.” Anytime I hear anyone use it non-ironically, I can pretty much be assured that the next to let statement they make comes from knee jerk ego protection.

  74. The SNL “Wells for boys” vid is interesting. On the one hand, it was just someone’s funny idea. That’s probably all it is. But I’m surprised they would brush up so close to gay shaming. The boy is clearly going to disappoint his father by becoming an art-fag, so it doesn’t seem like SNL would get that close to that. This is the cultural peak moment for sensitivity to homos so there had to be something more urgent behind that skit.

    So, is this the next brilliant FI move? Start shaming males right now for any attempts at self-awareness? It’s almost like the FI tripped over its own feet a bit. The FI was so overzealous and on autopilot in hammering males about their nature (football, rugged play, barbecues etc) that males have been steered into a bit of navel-gazing by that constant haranguing. Well it doesn’t take long for males to come to the conclusion that they’re being screwed once they do a few hours at the well. Oops. Now the instinct of the collective FI is to herd the boys back to their thoughtless ways before they wake up to some blatant facts.

    White boys are getting ready to have some fun with the victim card and I think the culture is sensing it. The manosphere, mrm etc are getting to be known. So get ready for some heavy shaming/ridicule aimed at any male who tries to do some self-discovery or well-gazing. Naw, just get back out to your oil rig and crush your Bud Lights on the weekends while watching the NFL (all of a sudden that’s not loathsome behavior anymore???). Whew, close call for the FI

  75. It would help if you would once and for all define the red pill more specifically than “praxeology”. As you illustrated, a vague “insight into gender relations” definition invites abuse of the red pill metaphor. I think you mean some very specific truths that contradict the conventional feminine-primary narrative.

    On an interpersonal level, I think you mean womens’ self-interested mating behavior to empower their hypergamy. On a societal level, I think you mean the gynocentric legal and social engineering that serve the Feminine Imperative.

    The Red Pill Reddit says: “The recognition and awareness of the way that feminism, feminists and their white-knight enablers affect society. An awareness of the dark truths surrounding human sexuality; hypergamy, women’s AF/BB strategies, society’s Feminine Imperative, sexual differences in emotional attachment, women’s attraction to DT traits and sexual dominance/violence;”

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