I feel I should begin here with a bit of a disclaimer. I don’t think any of my regular readers would ever presume this blog’s intent was anything but to help men unplug from their Blue Pill conditioning. With that unplugging comes a drive for self-improvement once a formerly Blue Pill guy has his moment of clarity and begins to see the influences that have shaped his life and his beliefs up to that stage. Along with this awareness comes a measure of anger, but mostly this is due to having long held ego-investments revealed for what they are – internalized beliefs that were developed as a result of Blue Pill social conditioning. I’ve covered this anger phase in Anger Management, The Five Stages of Unplugging, The Bitter Taste of the Red Pill and The Dangers of the Red Pill.
My purpose in writing what I do for as long as I have has always been to benefit other men, to hopefully unplug the guys who are on their last nerve, but have a desire to really understand the whats and the whys that have led them to the point in their lives where they are ready to dissolve the barriers that have prevented them from becoming Red Pill aware. It’s an unfortunate fact that our disillusionment from our Blue Pill investments is often spurred by a really bad trauma. The anger that follows is usually the result of self-regret more than directed at women as a source of it. When a guy who’s based his existence on Blue Pill idealism has it destroyed after having had it shape who he is for so long, the anger he feels usually comes from not having become aware of it sooner. That anger is directed inward or at the social order that’s held him in that idealistic delusion for so long. The frustration comes from wasting ones years invested in something that now seems so obviously false. That isn’t to say that some men wont carry this resentment over into a fully realized misogyny, it’s just to say that it begins from the regret of having lived what’s now an obvious lie for so long.
A popular misconception about the Red Pill – the popularized notion of it, not the actual praxeology – is that it makes men misogynists or it’s inherently negative, or it’s function is ‘truthful anger’. I am reminded of the explanation of the 32nd Law of Power:
The truth is often avoided because it is ugly and unpleasant. Never appeal to truth and reality unless you are prepared for the anger that comes from disenchantment.
That disenchantment is really what’s at root here for those who would paint the Red Pill with the brush of anger, negativity or hate directed at women in general. There are certain elements within the manosphere and Purple Pill commercial interests that would like to turn a profit from this mischaracterization. They would sell a ‘cure’ for it with sunshine rhetoric and reheated narratives of the power of positive thinking that has been a secular religion for generations now.
Praxeology
The Red Pill, from the respect that I interpret it, is a praxeology. Simply put, it s the deductive study of human action, based on the notion that humans engage in purposeful behavior, as opposed to reflexive behavior like sneezing and inanimate behavior. With the action axiom as the starting point, it is possible to draw conclusions about human behavior that are both objective and universal. For example, the notion that humans engage in acts of choice implies that they have preferences, and this must be true for anyone who exhibits intentional behavior.
This is primarily why I continue to use the phrase ‘Red Pill awareness’ in what I write. Once a man truly unplugs and reorders his life according to what it presents to him, this developed awareness extends to many other aspects of his life than just his intersexual relations. This awareness makes men sensitive to others around him who, like he was, are caught in the same Blue Pill conditioned way of interpreting his personal and social existence. With a Red Pill Lens he begins to see the sales pitches, the ego-investment defenses, and the predictable responses of men and women whose lives have been colored by a feminine-primary social conditioning that has defined their lives for so long they are unaware of it, but would cease to exist without it.
Once a man comes into this awareness, once he sees the code in the Matrix, once he realizes how all-encompassing it is, the old him literally ceases to exist. He may well be the same man with the same personality, the same gifts and the same disposition, but his Red Pill awareness makes living in his old paradigm an impossibility. On some level of consciousness, no matter the cognitive dissonance, he knows the Blue Pill world, the world pulled over his eyes, is a lie. Sometimes this disenchantment of Blue Pill idealism can (usually does) lead to significant anger.
This anger doesn’t lessen the reality that the Red Pill praxeology has made him aware of. In fact, it may be that anger that inspires him to become more aware, more sensitive, to it. That anger may prompt him to add his experiences to that praxeology which in turn benefits others. For others, this disenchantment may be depressing or a source of nihilism. And for others it can be a liberation and motivation for a new and much more hopeful life founded on a new awareness of a condition he now has better control of. On many occasions I’ve attempted to address exactly this hopelessness.
From A New Hope:
The key to living in a red pill context is to unlearn your blue pill expectations and dreams of finding contentment in them, and replace them with expectations and aspirations based on realistic understandings of red pill truths.
Learn this now, you will never achieve contentment or emotional fulfillment in a blue pill context with red pill awareness.
Killing your inner Beta is a difficult task and part of that is discarding an old, comfortable, blue pill paradigm. For many newly unplugged, red pill aware, men the temptation is to think they can use this new understanding to achieve the goal-states of their preconditioned blue pill ideals. What they don’t understand is that, not only are these blue pill goal-states flawed, but they are also based on a flawed understanding of how to attain them.
I devoted an entire section in Preventive Medicine to that post. I expect this sentiment will be a bit of an inconvenience to the marketeers who’d rather misdirect those men seeking Red Pill awareness to believe that the “Red Pill” is just “Truthful Anger”. There is a lot to be very positive about in Red Pill awareness, but the ugly truth is that your Blue Pill existence, and the idealism it used to promise you, is now dead. As I’ve stated before, the truth will set you free, but it doesn’t make that truth pretty, nor does it absolve you of accepting it. Red Pill awareness is upsetting, but what follows from that unplugging, whether it’s anger and frustration or liberation and hopefulness is not the focus of becoming ‘aware’ in a Red Pill perspective.
Those are just possible, and fungible, outcomes of that awareness.
When I go into what I do on this blog or my books my point is to give men the tools of a new perspective. I’m not a Life Coach, a dating Guru or a motivational speaker. What I offer is the awareness that I, and many others, have contributed to what is Red Pill praxeology. I write what I do because I feel compelled to; the message and the awareness is my primary focus. While I do offer occasional, general advice about certain aspects of The Red Pill I generally try to resist being prescriptive. I’ve stated this before, but it bears repeating, I’m not interested in making better men, I’m interested in men making themselves better men. My life and my interpretations of it are not going to be a template for anyone else to follow. Red Pill awareness, based on the praxeology of intersexual dynamics in the personal and social realms, will save and/or improve your life, but that life has to be lived by you as an individual.
The Red Pill®
All that said, this awareness does not preclude other men (and women) from attempting to profit by selling men a template upon which they believe others should follow. I covered this in The Purple Pill, but there’s a lot more to this profiteering. The term ‘Red Pill’ has evolved to the point where it’s become a brand unto itself. This leaves its popularity up for exploitation and reinterpretation to suit the commercial interests of whomever has a personal agenda or ideology they wish to promote as ‘Red Pill’. That term ‘Red Pill’ (not the praxeology) then becomes a convenient substitute for whatever subjective truth the one (or party) appropriating it would have others believe.
The bastardization of the Red Pill is something I’ve predicted for some time now. When I wrote Could a Man Have Written This? my concern then was that women would eventually appropriate and redefine ‘The Red Pill’ to serve the Feminine Imperative by bastardizing it to mean whatever best fit women’s purposes. The point in that (November, 2011) essay was that, in our feminine-primary social order, it is only women who are allowed to speak with authority about intersexual dynamics and that any man attempting to apply a measure of critical thought to those dynamics will immediately be accused of male bias and misogyny. As such, only women would be allowed to decide what aspects of the Red Pill praxeology ought to be part of the Red Pill brand.
Naturally, I reject that notion, but it is precisely what has happened with The Red Pill Movie; a documentary that is ostensibly about the MRM. I say ostensibly because, while on the surface it seems to be about the Men’s (human) Rights Movement, the focus of the film is really on its (I presume formerly) feminist director/producer Cassie Jaye, a cutesy 29 year old whose feminine-solipsism pervades the entire documentary as well as all of the post-production promotions and interviews.
Casie the feminist makes the entirety of the documentary not about the MRM as such, but more about her own ‘journey of self-discovery’, a common romantic theme that appeals to women’s innate solipsism. In every post screening interview about the film the story becomes primarily about her; the MRM just playing a supporting role in her ‘transformation’. This is sort of a poetic justice for the MRM who all too readily employ and endorse any and every ‘former feminist’ who’s not-a-feminist (until they become a feminist again) as part of their efforts to transform into more perfected egalitarian-equalists than the feminists they despise.
This film is not about The Red Pill, it’s about a 29 y.o. “feminist” actress-turned-indie-fim-director and her ‘journey of self-discovery’ in which an opportunistic MRM is only too happy to play as her supporting actor.
These are the faces the MRM wants to represent “The Red Pill”:
This is a pretty accurate depiction of how I expected ‘The Red Pill’ to be misrepresented back in 2011. It encapsulates the disingenuousness with which commercial interests (or solipsistic interests, take your pick) will portray ‘The Red Pill’ while blithely ignoring any effort to really understand the praxeology. That doesn’t make for good tingles of indignation for women, but a good outrage broker knows their what their audience wants.
However, we now have several other profiteers making similar claims about what the Red Pill really is and who ought to be able to redefine it to best serve their own motives. All of these factions have one common purpose; to reinterpret whatever bastardization of The Red Pill as a brand that will be a proxy for ‘truth’ whatever it is they are selling or what would affirm their ideology.
Todd from Real Social Dynamics picks up this profit model here:
Here we have a blatant attempt to reinterpret what the “red pill” is really all about by conflating the Red Pill brand with being the opposite side of a White Knight® coin. And again, it’s packaged in TL;DR easily digestible feints at humor. Anyone versed in The Red Pill praxeology understands just how Blue Pill Todd’s assertions here are (get a pre nup). This is the same Purple Pill sugar coating of Red Pill truths I’ve been warning against for years now, but it becomes potentially dangerous to men because it encourages them to follow the Children with Dynamite path with regards to Game. Learning Game becomes a quest of acquiring only enough understanding of the nature of women and intersexual dynamics (the ones that are palatable to the profit model) to achieve a Blue Pill idealistic goal-state monogamy that brought these men to look for their own answers in the first place. They are selling the key to a Blue Pill dream.
Ultimately, RSD Todd is selling this same, comforting, Blue Pill idealism, and a means to achieving it packaged as Game, while personally defining the Red Pill based on little or no understanding of the praxeology of it. Not to split hairs, but I believe this distortion on the part of both Todd and Cassie is intentional. Neither one made any attempt to really research or make any critical inquiry into what The Red Pill is, the dots it connects or the awareness it instills in men before they decided they were qualified to build their own brands around it.
I should add here that a lot of ideological factions have appropriated The Red Pill in recent years as a proxy for validating their own agendas. The Red Pill was always about intersexual dynamics from as far back as I’ve been familiar with it. I can remember using it as a term for awareness about men’s feminine-centric conditioning from at least 2002 on the SoSuave forums. We didn’t even refer to it as Red Pill as such so much as we’d call what we know as Blue Pill men (AFCs) as being trapped in the Matrix – unaware of their conditioning. It kind of went from there.
I’ll still continue to use The Red Pill as a term for the praxeology we use to come into an awareness of true intersexual dynamics, but I realize it’s becoming a bastardization. Roosh made an attempt to separate himself from The Red Pill going on three years ago, by trying to rebrand it as his own Neomasculinity, which hasn’t really made any real traction to my knowledge. However, the point is that whatever TRP is renamed as it will still be a branding effort on the part of those who see it as anything but a praxeology.
I’ve made this point in several prior posts, but, The Red Pill is the theory while Game is the practice and the fieldwork experimentation. Both inform the other, and one suffers without the other. This is what is at the heart of The Red Pill and it’s what shocks men into a new awareness and a new experience in life. It is not founded in pessimism, cynicism or misogyny, but rather, honest, unvarnished assessments and correlated experiences of men. Those assessments are often disconcerting, but they are only upsetting to a mindset that holds Blue Pill conditioned ideals as a correct interpretation of them. That can lead to those outside a practiced knowledge of it to believe that the awareness the Red Pill brings is a net negative. What is undeniable is the appeal of the truth The Red Pill presents and that appeal is attractive to men who are still trapped in their Blue Pill idealism.
Their want is to find some way to achieve a Blue Pill idealistic goal with the very harsh reality a Red Pill awareness brings to them. They want to be reinserted back into the Matrix, but with just enough Red Pill awareness to make their Blue Pill hopes a reality. They don’t believe The Lady in Red is real, but they do believe that she’s attainable and can be made real because they have the Red Pill awareness to effect it.
They also see the potential for selling a sugar-coated version of the Red Pill’s knowledge-base as a means for other men to achieve their own false hope in Blue Pill idealism. There really is no going back once you have a grasp of the praxeology of the Red Pill, but it’s a comforting fiction for Blue Pill men (who’ve yet to kill their inner Betas) to believe they can achieve those Blue Pill goals with just enough Red Pill awareness (the pro-feminine parts they think women will approve of).
And this false hope, one that conveniently ignores the uncomfortable parts of Red Pill awareness, is what will be sold by profiteers no matter what title they apply to it.
And for an early Christmas present, Obama is dismantling the NSEERS.
(as of two days ago)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Security_Entry-Exit_Registration_System
Because he knows it (or similar) will have to be reinstated.
Can’t wait to hear the screams from the left when that happens.
“Think that sign was actually a photoshop job.” And posted by . . . feminists. Whose motto is “diversity is more important than your security.” It is a perfectly valid summation of the “Not Your Women” movement, and they recognized it as such. Remember, a rape is just 30 seconds out of your day: http://16004-presscdn-0-50.pagely.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/rape-30-seconds-575×438.jpg I mean, as long as it wasn’t by one of those creepy beta guys you went to school with. Rape Culture plus refugee support is the double think, feminist petard that it tried to jump and ended up hoist upon. Even some feminists are starting… Read more »
“Remember, a rape is just 30 seconds out of your day..”
LOL!
Holy Crap is that real?
I don’t think the best Onion writer could top it.
@Tyler, I always read my comments , and yes I saw yours. Busy with work and Holiday stuff. I’ll email you after Christmas, but for now, you’ll just have to pardon my apprehension about Todd. I’m very used to this response about TRP, and usually it’s coming from guys who are trying to build their own brand of self-help on a Purple Pill model: https://therationalmale.com/2015/11/10/the-purple-pill/ What guys like Tucker Max, Mark Manson and Evan Mark Katz do is market just enough Red Pill awareness that they think is palatable to guys while selling them the same Blue Pill idealisms that… Read more »
“Holy Crap is that real?”
The sentiment is theirs, but the turn of phrase is my own.
“I don’t think the best Onion writer could top it.”
Being number two I’m sure he’s trying harder, and I’m getting old and tired.
“but he never killed his inner Beta or let go of the BP fantasies so he marched it back enough to pander to women’s approval of it.” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3w608RyPqo This is and in certain ways still a hard thing for me. I know i have done this more than once. To some extent you let yourself die a part of yourself people and the world has imposed on you. “Too many guys just want a TL;DR summation so they can get on to the secret formula that will solve their problems without bothering with how those solutions actually work.” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMAmk5Rp1tk Learning… Read more »
@Rollo, @Tyler
Jesus, finally TRP (TRM) and PUA (RSD) start communicating for real.
As a guy who came from PUA and found TRP later this is one huge ass X-Mas-present for me as I can only see any form of communication and interaction between the two spheres as benefitial for all men.
So, cheers guys!
Thanks @ Rollo for your awesome essays!
Thanks @ Tyler for your awesome free content!
You both kick ass.
Merry christmas to you all!
kfg
http://www.indiatimes.com/news/india/meanwhile-someone-has-launched-a-petition-to-make-xvideos-play-national-anthem-before-and-after-videos-266563.html
@Rollo
I thought you didn’t DRINK beer! Make it a Rational Ale.
@Rugby
So Rollo is Legolas the prissy elf. And of course Tyler is the ginger dwarf Gimly?
Yollo Comanche
Laughing with you not at you. Its all about the enjoyment in the moment and presence.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbMS_NhjVS0
Happy Holiday’s
You guys have been reading my twitter feed.
Trent Lane
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As a guy who came from PUA and found TRP later this is one huge ass X-Mas-present for me as I can only see any form of communication and interaction between the two spheres as benefitial for all men.
As a man who came to Red Pill / The Glasses via The Spearhead, MMSL, Dalrock, TRM with some basic Game learning along the way, pretty much the opposite of you, I cosign this.
a stocking stuffer…
DPA Hall of Famer Jim Morrison… unbridled DPA on display…
Two of my faves…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJ9GDiYU0-I
and press play after exiting plane at LAX…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JskztPPSJwY
and a reminder of what intent masculine gaze looks like
Oh yes… a reminder! DPA may not end in a long life, but in a life well lived…
Damn you Sentient Don’t start pandering to the masses. Jim Morrison was an outlier. He was a beautiful man. He was DPA. But he was a fuck-up. I watched the Doors movie (which just came on Netflix last month). I heard of Rollo’s exhortations of Paul Gauguin’s radical carpe diem lifestyle (witch actually sucked–I would actually hate that fucking existence that he lived–including his repertoire in E.O. Wilson’s The Social Conquest of The Earth. Paul Guguin’s life actualy did suck every moment, no matter how he tried to exceed. Not a good legacy. Paul Gaugin’s life was actually quite ugly.… Read more »
This place needs and acronym finder.
DPA?
Dread Pill Awareness?
Don’t Plan A (long life)?
Drugs Porn Alcohol?
“A libertine life is one thing. Raising children with a great wife is another.
There are Archetypes. But then there is You. And me who actually have mindfulness to not fuck up.”
The spiritual…
He he. SJF did you just finish watching It’s a Wonderful Life?
Alpha is amoral [anon DPA is shorthand for the Alpha Triad, the irreducible characteristics – dynamic passionate and authentic]
A defining characteristic of the Platinum Rule [Do whatever you want to do whenever you want to do it] life is it ends, even early, sometimes ugly, but with doing what you wanted.
I’ve no beef with Morrison. And thank god we were spared the sight of a bloated and hoarse 65 year old on a pension tour…
[…] via The Awareness — The Rational Male […]
“the previous social contract that held monogamous/marriage relations as a mutual benefit … that respected men as the primary Frame holder. …
Alpha is a mindset, not a demographic. …
Blue Pill today is the conditioning of men … to be instruments of the Feminine Imperative.”
This is succinct.
Holy hell
https://twitter.com/RealPeerReview/status/792790927005724672
“The Red Pill, from the respect that I interpret it, is a praxeology. Simply put, it s the deductive study of human action, based on the notion that humans engage in purposeful behavior”
This is the diction of someone who has been exposed to the Austrian School (Red Pill Economics). Have you read Ludwig von Mises?
@PorFavor: Rollo has training in (psychology) behaviorism / behavioral psychology.
“I’ve no beef with Morrison. And thank god we were spared the sight of a bloated and hoarse 65 year old on a pension tour…” Jimi and Janice are also as much legends as a result of their retirement plans as anything else they ever did. Make sure your heroes are all dead, that way they can’t fuck it up. I remember as a kid wondering what Gypsy Rose Lee had ever done besides games shows that made her notable enough to be on game shows, but otherwise invisible. Slick Gracie slid out the Doors the easy way and almost… Read more »
If you can’t learn from a natural, how can you learn from a PUA? And what I mean by learn is being able to act the way they act. A natural is easier to learn from because he coming at it from a sincere ability to charm and seduce women. If fact naturals are the ones who introduce us to game growing up. PUA for me has always been icing on the cake. I don’t consider the red pill to be game per say. The red pill is in general The Reality of human nature in regards to sex and… Read more »
@ Rollo, thank you for your writings. I have been a silent reader since 2015. @ Commenters, thank you for the vigorous debate. It is a testament to the quality of both, since I have not come to The Rational Male due to injury from the “pointy end” of hypergamy. I don’t comment because my experiences may not typical or repeatable. So they may be of little assistance to the other OMGs, OSGs, YSGs or YMGs. However, in the spirit of giving back, I would like to share what may be an unusual use of TRM. I convert the articles… Read more »
@If-I-Fell, that’s excellent. Do you have an FTP link I might download those from?
AVM seems to represent the accelerationist approach in gender politics, as opposed to the reactionary approach of religious rightists, who want to combat feminism by promoting a return to traditional morality. The accelerationist assumption is that the system cannot be reformed and the old world cannot be restored, so the way to go is to complete the destruction that feminism has started. That’s why MRAs appropriate the rhetoric of gender equality, which is something feminists preach but in practice oppose. And normies are generally more receptive to equalist arguments than to religious ones. All in all, AVM strikes me as… Read more »
But men and women are not equal. Women, for the most part, cannot equal men in strength of mind and body. And men, for the most part, cannot equal women in sexual value…and so on. This is still a lie of feminism no matter how you slice it. MRAs are then attempting to live according to the big lie that feminism has been selling you, when at the same time, that very lie has been disproven in real life. Traditional values are only a subset of the solutions available to men in the fight against the tyranny of The Feminist… Read more »
@Reb “But you will often find that those trad values underscore most if not all of the Red Pill philosophies.” Uh no Reb. Red Pill is a Praxeology not a Philosophy. So when you see young, cool studs turning into old farts, Praxeology kicks in and informs their actions. Depending on their circumstances they scale back on the actual gaming and use what clout or major social capital they accrued in their youth or in all the time they ever spent on themselves and use it to sell guidebooks or other shit to await retirement age. If they actually had… Read more »
@sentient Hank misses… Everyone had a first, everyone started the journey the same way… Some started it just walking up to a girl and talking, hell MOST guys in history have done just this. when this is not the norm, then you need to examine the reasons why… it really isn’t magic, if you’ve not been laid by your mid 20’s there are things you are doing that are holding you back. It’s not them. it’s you. Man I miss yareally if only to have someone else to address all the wrongheaded comments here. Lets say two guys want to… Read more »
“Hey, one of your guys is misrepresenting me, I’d like to talk with you about that.” you could have solved all this a loooooonng time ago. It’s not ‘one guy’, it’s a profit model shift from practical Game to a Law of Attraction / Tony Robbins / The Secret profit model. Thus it becomes endemic in RSD, not just ‘a guy’. YaReally and Scray are more than welcome to post here any time they want, but my first question for them will be about whether they fall in with this (now confirmed) shift as RSD. Ya got all bent about… Read more »
….well, mersonia was a bit of an asshole, so there’s that.
@Hank driving off yareally and scray Little boys who couldn’t play in the big leagues. YaReally also ran away from the Chateau. Don’t you see a pattern here? I’m withholding judgment about RSD appending “woowoo” to their brand. Time will tell. If RSD owners are trying to sell the company or attract more investment capital, the investors will likely require Purple Pill crap to make it more marketable. Rollo may have the inside scoop via some venture capitalist that he knows. I’d side with him over RSD mgmt. at this point. I’m withholding commitment to Rollo’s position, because, you know,… Read more »
Yareally always said RSD was trying to move into the larger self help domain.
“Natural and legal rights are two types of rights. Legal rights are those bestowed onto a person by a given legal system (i.e., rights that can be modified, repealed, and restrained by human laws). Natural rights are those that are not dependent on the laws or customs of any particular culture or government, and therefore universal and inalienable (i.e., rights that cannot be repealed or restrained by human laws).” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_and_legal_rights I know wiki is a crappy source but when someone doesn’t even know basics, it is a place to start. Aquinas, Locke, Burke, Paine, Hobbs, Rousseau are excellent sources for… Read more »
@Hank Had a great gig when I was 15years old,as a floor hand fixing stripper oil wells with a gin pole rig.When we would trip a well part of my job was to lay out the sucker rod and tubing on the racks or cribs. The tubing cribs were 8ft oak rail ties set out 25ft apart,I would lay 3 tubes then chock them with 4pcs of v belt and reuse the same old rusty bent 10penny nails over and over. I could never get the chocks in fast enough to suit the boss and his method of teaching consisted… Read more »
Hank – you only need one girl to game. One.
All the rest is a buffer, snowflake… examine your motives.
@rollo Ya got all bent about my posting meme quotes from Tony Robins, Norman Peale, Dr. Dyer and a few other guys to compare with what’s going on with RSD, and lo and behold they’re confirmed. No, the reason Yareally left was because you accused him of being a shill for RSD and then deleted his post. He clearly spelled out the reasons he left: First it’s deleting my content without warning like he’s already done, then it’s joining the shitposting doggypile (no discussion, just memes and quote mining and misrepresentation and side-tangents and character assassinations) Posting here is a… Read more »
Hank, maybe you missed the part where I reinstated the one and only post I pulled from YaReally. Maybe you missed the part where Todd and Luke and more than a few other RSD notables admit to deliberately misrepresenting what TRP is in their convenient shift toward their mindset PoPT profit model. Maybe you missed the part where I stated that I had a source inform me this was exactly where they were going and then a week later Todd comes out with his Red Pill = WK extremes video (which according to even Tyler he had no real world… Read more »
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Flounce
@Hank if he’s being character assassinated all the time He wasn’t…but you’re still deep in the YaReally Matrix…YaReally was being called to account BY ME for manipulating the YSGs…and he totally deserved it because that’s what he was doing…then he got pissy and started creating unnecessary and unhelpful contention and strife, obviously attempting to draw off the YSGs to leave with him. Guess what? Lots of them left, including scray. Do you seriously think that that wasn’t his intention???? Rollo went to the trouble of creating a Forum for Field Reports and then YaReally left. Big surprise. :/ So much… Read more »
Wow kfg,comes from the original term of gathering up peticoats and making a dramatic overexagerated exit.
@sentient @stuffinbox Hank – you only need one girl to game. One. All the rest is a buffer, snowflake… examine your motives. Right. Because you talked to 1 (one) girl and instantly gained all your skills with women off that one chick. Don’t be ridiculous. You have to talk to MULTIPLE women all while pushing your boundaries in order to become skilled with women. However, the more women you have to game, the faster you will progress. Lets say it takes 200 women to make a breakthrough in game. If you can talk to 20 girls a night, that means… Read more »
@theasdgamer then he got pissy and started creating unnecessary and unhelpful contention and strife Which rollo did in equal measure by deleting his post out of the blue and accusing yareally of being a shill. I don’t understand why you haven’t called out rollo on this. obviously attempting to draw off the YSGs to leave with him To WHERE? When did he ever say “hey gullible young dudes, why don’t you guys come off to me to this new site”? When did he ever link some product he wanted to sell? That’s right, he NEVER did any of that. He… Read more »
No victim mentality
http://www.veoh.com/watch/v18530452Pd8BdrrG
Emma Murdoch: I’m Anna, by the way. What’s your name?
John Murdoch: John. John Murdoch.
Hank in my 240 sq mile fire district there are less then 1000 residents,and most of them are getting regular sex go figure.
Maybe there isn’t much else to do.
Sure everyone sees things from their own perspective,just don’t start of your day with a pre defeated atitude because of the excuses you mentioned above.
My first best guess is some gal is stalking you for sex right now as we speak and you are failing to see it because of criteria she doesn’t meet,and the fact that she can’t get your attention is noticed by others.
@Hank:
I don’t live in Podunk, but I can just about see it from here. Last time I was there about half the people were girls. It was hard to go out and avoid them.
Same as here, in “The Big City” (compared to Podunk, but it’s Podunk compared to a major metropolis like Peoria).
Same as where you are I reckon.
@stuffinbox see this is decent advice Sure everyone sees things from their own perspective,just don’t start of your day with a pre defeated atitude because of the excuses you mentioned above. Which I do. I focus on the stuff I have done, the progress I have made so far, the stuff I can already do that most guys can’t, and the fact that I am sooo close to a breakthrough on daygame. I try to focus on the positive as much as I can My first best guess is some gal is stalking you for sex right now as we… Read more »
SEP — FIRST INSTADATE: https://therationalmale.com/2016/09/05/the-best-of-the-rational-male-year-5/comment-page-2/#comment-168617
OCT — HALLOWEEN: https://therationalmale.com/2016/10/31/smv-and-the-aging-process/comment-page-4/#comment-176635
DEC — WAITRESS: https://therationalmale.com/field-reports/#comment-182336
So yeah. Just making excuses. Victim complex.
Lol
Hank, so I guess you’re cool with the blatant Blue Pill message Todd’s hawking now? And I guess you’re ok with Luke’s ignorance about TRP too? You can say you still like all the old infield videos but you’re still ok with the profiteering model RSD is going for by using them. I got run up the flagpole for being “butthurt” by Luke’s dismissal of TRM, but here we are a month later and I was 100% correct in all the conclusions you thought I was jumping to. YaReally is welcome to post here any time, but my guess is… Read more »
“Remember that shit about process trumps mindset? Where’s the “field trumps all” idea fit into their new “mindset rules all” focus?” https://soundcloud.com/carolina-chocolate-drops/hit-em-up-style “Selling out” is a common idiomatic pejorative expression for the compromising of a person’s integrity, morality, authenticity, or principles in exchange for personal gain, such as money.”https://medium.com/higher-thoughts/on-making-a-living-from-your-art-without-selling-out-bb62721cf3ec#.4rllwy2bg “The example of Fairey demonstrates the limitations of applying a simple two-by-two theory as a sweeping criterion. Nevertheless, the artist’s dilemma can act as a frame for this important discussion: it unequivocally demonstrates that artists need to be transparent and accountable. They have a responsibility to forge moral alliances with employers… Read more »
@stuffinbox oops, heres the correct link to the instadate FR: https://therationalmale.com/2016/09/05/the-best-of-the-rational-male-year-5/comment-page-2/#comment-168711 @rollo Hank, maybe you missed the part where I reinstated the one and only post I pulled from YaReally. Right. But do you understand how that is a huge insult to just delete someone’s post out of the blue and then accuse him of being a shill? You don’t just reinstate the post and its all hunky dory. Its like you steal someone’s car, but then say “WELL I GAVE IT BACK! GAH, WHY ARE YOU UPSET?” Nah man, you gotta address WHY you stole his car in the… Read more »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UL7brRFEe2o When Yareally came on the manosphere it was all about routines, his first post on heartiste was about routines, routines were fundamental as training wheels, scray was fed routines with a spoon when he was a baby (not putting a “lol” here, lol). What RSD thinks about that since 2008 is on that Jeffy video. It’s all about natural game now and Yareally was teaching agains RSD, he was selecting the bullshit-free parts of their new videos (luv him for this, he was going oldschool, this shit actually helps spergs.) The “woo” phase started with natural game: “drop that… Read more »
@Reb
We’re in an equalist society. Pretty much everyone, feminists included, claims to be for gender equality. This is a lie, of course. If real social and legal equality was implemented, men would outcompete women in almost all areas, and much pain would be put on women. That’s why I think it’s a relatively good idea on MRAs’ part to basically hold feminists’ feet to the fire by accusing them of not living up to their own equalist ideals. Or at least it’s a better idea than promoting the return to traditional gender roles, which is a political nonstarter.
Just quickly scanning through comments but quick one to Hank – Dude, I mostly agree with your points, but one clarification: I totally get where you’re coming from wrt to living in a place with limited opportunities. I’m lucky enough to be in an amazing Big City for 3-4 months of the year but the majority of my time is spent in a small town which sounds about as crappy as yours (and I work insane hours too, which limits time to do street game and stuff like that too). I don’t think anyone will dispute that you have fewer… Read more »
@Hank Which rollo did in equal measure by deleting his post out of the blue and accusing yareally of being a shill. I don’t understand why you haven’t called out rollo on this. This is irrelevant to my point. Rollo backed off, anyway, so your point is moot. Did YaReally chill after Rollo backed off? Hell, no! To WHERE? When did he ever say “hey gullible young dudes, why don’t you guys come off to me to this new site”? When did he ever link some product he wanted to sell? That’s right, he NEVER did any of that. He… Read more »
Can the cult of ya’really give it a rest?
Shit happens, let’s put on our big girl panties and move on
“YaReally was being called to account BY ME for manipulating the YSGs…and he totally deserved it because that’s what he was doing…”
FWIW, I’m pretty sure that point was irrelevant to his leaving. Show us on the doll where Ya manipulated the YSG.
Anywho, Rollo, you may be interested in this:
https://mobile.twitter.com/i/web/status/813739418624237568
Haven’t the time to watch it, but the title seems to line up with your opinion of the self help industry.
@grain gamer: “YaReally was being called to account BY ME for manipulating the YSGs…and he totally deserved it because that’s what he was doing…” grain: FWIW, I’m pretty sure that point was irrelevant to his leaving. Show us on the doll where Ya manipulated the YSG. You and Hank are in disagreement on the point of my calling YaReally to account being part of the reason that YaReally left. Hank: “So yareally got sick and tired of always having to defend himself” Now to your second point. Grain, YaReally was always giving his defenders “attaboys” when they took his side… Read more »
Yareally was just a RSD puppet, posting what is now confirmed purple pill trash. He would jizz himself if he saw Tyler posting here though lol
1) This whole comment section has been using us vs. them language as soon as someone coined the OMG-YSG terminology. In multiple debates the same camps were formed more or less along those lines.
2) he gave credit to commenters who agreed with him, or were arguing the same position as him. Yeah… Machiavelli reincarnate. OMGs would *never* be caught back-patting…lol
3) “OGs have stronger frames” is a gross generalization that has been proven wrong over and over again in this blog’s own comments section. And what was it you were saying about “us vs. them” language?
@grain 1) Sure, there has been a distinction between OMGs and YSGs and I don’t recall YaReally creating that terminology. However, the banter was lighthearted, at least from my seat. YaReally wasn’t bantering. 2) Giving credit means “yeah, we YSGs are the smart ones, not like those old fools who don’t know ‘come here’ from ‘sic em’, you’re smart for agreeing with me”…all very divisive shit…no logical argument–all divisive Frame shit OMGs backpatting? None of it was aimed at division or saying “We’re gonna leave if we don’t get our way”…just lighthearted banter 3) “OGs have stronger frames” is a… Read more »
It appears to me that RSD is moving into a very saturated market; that of self-help/personal development, based on countless earlier models of this Power of Positive Thinking trope. From a technique standpoint and experimental PUA intersexual dynamics they’ve cornered the market, but this is limited in scope as far as a profit model is concerned. From a Red Pill perspective I have yet to see a single RSD “teacher” who isn’t still clinging to Blue Pill idealisms. Todd and Luke are the more recent examples, but even Owen regularly expresses his want for Blue Pill goals in his life… Read more »
I entirely agree with Hank (and YaReally’s) points that RSD’s Game advice and videos and content (including the paid event I attended) are good and useful to men and that remains true despite their move to the self-help market. Even Rollo agrees with this. Rollo’s analysis above about moving into self-help is spot on though. It’s an obvious next step to expand since they’ve saturated the Game market. It’s not even a secret or anything – Tyler said as much in his comment above (where he says Todd doesn’t agree with the new direction) and it is really obvious in… Read more »
I hadn’t seen Rollo’s last paragraph when I posted – think he edited his post. Anyway, speaking for myself, I’d do exactly what people do with MMSL now – send people to the original book and warn them that subsequent stuff has been watered down. Or in RSD terms, tell them to ignore the self-help stuff and newer stuff and focus on the older more technical videos and the stuff with infields and Game details (and the live programs focussed on pickup if they can afford it).
Yeah The Doors were the shit back in the day.
Hey YC. Leave the heavy lifting to God. Save the PUA for the weekends. Your soul will become a lot less tortured if you heed these words.
Great, but at what point does RSD or Tucker Max or Athol’s shift begin to contradict their previous groundwork? At what point to they disavow their previous material in favor of the more profitable Tony Robbins shift? I wont endorse anything RSD promotes now for the same reason I wont endorse MMSL; their intent is disingenuous. I never called YaReally a shill for RSD, but that association only sticks because all the guy ever posted was their material. And don’t say it was all just old videos. If anyone can find me a single instance of his posting anything but… Read more »
To put it in the simplest terms possible PUA = Self Expression. From Rollo to Pook to Mystery to Krauser to RSD to that new fag PUA some of you love on, they are all trying to sell you on the idea which is that you must be able to express yourself to your woman if you want that glory.
If all you think this blog is about is glory-seeking Reb, you need to read a lot more.
@Rollo – re when the RSD shift begins to contradict their previous groundwork: I don’t know. It’s a judgment call. It hasn’t for me (yet) – I’m willing to wait and watch, but I’m also open to changing my mind and saying that they’ve crossed the line. You appear to think they have, and that’s a personal decision – everyone’s line is in a different place. On the YaReally RSD video thing: let’s not go overboard. I’m a total YaReally fanboy, but I can understand why you and others started thinking he was an RSD shill – he did post… Read more »
@ASDgamer “Lol, the old guys kicked his ass when he dissed our women. Then he pussied out. The old guys may not pick up women, but we have a LOT of experience gaming our wives. Not that much difference between gaming old women and young women. YaReally’s response was that old women aren’t worth gaming. Very disrespectful. Also, irrelevant to our point.” …If you really think your kicking ass on a comments section on the rational male. You should re-evaluate your life. It’s great that you have a lot of experience gaming one woman. If you’re happy you won mate.… Read more »
Rollo Great, but at what point does RSD or Tucker Max or Athol’s shift begin to contradict their previous groundwork? At what point to they disavow their previous material in favor of the more profitable Tony Robbins shift? Sometime next year, maybe before summer, is my guess – based purely on other purple pill men like RooshV, and Athol Kay. Monetizing “relationship coaching” seems to pretty much require catering to women. Even John Gottman, who did real sciencey work on the differences between how men and women react to conflict, wound up catering to women after he got married. Which… Read more »
@mersonia “YaReally tried to AMOG the OGs and got his ass kicked.” You’ve posted this a lot this comment thread. All it really shows is that you view this as some kind of battle between two different groups instead of one group of individuals trying to better each other and help other understand viewpoints and different perspectives. Nice try at a reframe, but you fail. An attempted AMOG and resistance to the AMOG attempt creates a battle. Of course, YaReally instigated the battle. There weren’t two different groups doing this…just YaReally. The YaReally Cocksucking Squad CHOSE to see the battle… Read more »
@Rollo “Ya got all bent about my posting meme quotes from Tony Robins, Norman Peale, Dr. Dyer and a few other guys to compare with what’s going on with RSD, and lo and behold they’re confirmed.” Nah… Most of us we’re really disappointing that you were shitting on Mystery because he has issues and was having a twitter breakdown over not being able to see his kids. [Dodge. Were they accurate comparisons to what RSD is selling? Owen himself plagiarized Dr. Wayne Dyer.] Which is really shitty for someone who wants to help men. [Deliberately misinterpreting what’s already been settled.… Read more »
@Reb
PUA=How to get what you want out of your local peer group despite women being taught they deserve whatever they want without having to merit any of it, and men being taught you’re just some other dick to compete with.
Fixed it for you.
You can thank God for me later.
@mersonia
There is a difference between gaming old and young women.
Pray tell, what is that? Something to do with social media? They both have twats…old women don’t have menses. Old women can get lit up just like young women…the buying temp of old women can be red hot…it has nothing to do with a monthly bolus of testosterone…it has to do with a man demonstrating high value and spiking a woman’s BT.
@Rollo [Dodge. Were they accurate comparisons to what RSD is selling? Owen himself plagiarized Dr. Wayne Dyer.] Everything in the self help community is regurgitated information son. Like I said “Nah… Most of us we’re really disappointing that you were shitting on Mystery because he has issues and was having a twitter breakdown over not being able to see his kids. Which is really shitty for someone who wants to help men. Whenever PUA does anything you don’t like you just go into character assassinations ” oooh mystery is he really suppose to be da goal of PUA …. Tyler… Read more »
@mersonia “Also for the people who don’t think love exist lol ( it does)” Nobody gives a shit if love exists or not. At least nobody aught to. It simply is what it is, and it simply is one of two things to guys who JUST found out the score: 1. What you give a man who isn’t your first choice, and you keep telling him that’s what you’re giving him. 2. What you give a man who IS your first choice, regardless what he is FREE to think of you. I know who I want to be. No I… Read more »
“There is a difference between gaming old and young women.” Yeah, gaming young women is easy. I pulled two young 20’s from their bf’s last week with that stupid “I’m an elf” opening. Same club, serially. I led them 6′ away with the locked pinky swear and chatted til the bf. hustled back to mate guard. One bf even friendly fist-bumped me after he led his girl back. I don’t even care about the girl. I was bored. “…other than the fact that men can be raped financially.” So true. Then again, money loses its value marginally and for most… Read more »
All you do is troll Mersonia.
@Yollo Calm down Tiger “Nobody gives a shit if love exists or not. At least nobody aught to. It simply is what it is, and it simply is one of two things to guys who JUST found out the score:” “I know who I want to be. No I DON’T GIVE A DAMN that love is real. I care what it takes to get it, which means love isn’t free. There’s requirements.” The contradiction was real. “What the hell do you think this is? Fucking Robin Hood? Even Mystery just uses guys with the understanding they’ll co-operate to get laid.… Read more »
@Rollo
Nah I’m just honest.
I love you and your work ,but if you cant even think about what the red pill/manosphere looks like to people outside of it . People who stumble upon heartiste ,vox ( i still kind of like vox) etc. first …. then I don’t know what to tell you
My points were solid and you can’t respond is all
All your points have been addressed here and in all the original comments you dredged them from. Ergo, you are an unoriginal troll.
You’re upset because RSD is in the process of jumping the purple pill shark and it’s increasingly something you can no longer defend. When Owen gets married and his wife convinces him to let her be an RSD life coach will you be signings up for her classes?
@mersonia “The contradiction was real.” I know. These dizzy broads…..These dizzy chodes…….These idiot, scrub men trying to be “themselves” around me… and me never respecting it so they hate me or try to get my attention…….It’s almost like there’s observable principles to this sort of thing that you can learn for your own benefit. “That’s a negative mindset man. If everyone thought like that…..smh wow” I know, it’d be difficult to convince women you have a social life. It’s what scrubs pretend they have on facebook. In reality it’s only possible between people who connect. I’d rather connect to what… Read more »
Lmao…..
Boy it’s getting warm in here. Where’s the ice tea?
You addressed none of my points….Because obviously you can’t. Your whole point this whole time is “You’re upset because RSD is in the process of jumping the purple pill shark and it’s increasingly something you can no longer defend.” WHEN NO ONE GIVES A FUUUCK. I could give two shits if rsd goes full blue pill and makes money that way. If Owen gets married and his wife is an life coach I don’t give a fuck From the outset RSD was never an red pill organization like roosh who advocated for the red pill so if I they sell… Read more »
@Ehintellect Yeah, gaming young women is easy. I pulled two young 20’s from their bf’s last week with that stupid “I’m an elf” opening. Same club, serially. I led them 6′ away with the locked pinky swear and chatted til the bf. hustled back to mate guard. One bf even friendly fist-bumped me after he led his girl back. I don’t even care about the girl. I was bored. Yeah. Easier and harder I guess it just depends on the guy. Alot of older guys do have way stronger frames than the paper thin ones of the youth now days… Read more »
@Blax
Sorry meng. I’m too ref to know how to hyperlink things.
For anyone interested Since I only read like 3 rp blogs
BD just posted a good article. Older and Younger guys will most likely like it since it has alot of truth. On both sides of the spectrum
http://www.blackdragonblog.com/2016/12/26/young-men-dont-want-man/
I only read like 3 rp blogs but Black Dragon Posted a really good article.
http://www.blackdragonblog.com/2016/12/26/young-men-dont-want-man/
It has good stuff from both sides of the spectrum and would probably help both the YSG and OMGs understand stuff better ( Though i hate those termms)
Im probably banned by now though so w/e
@mersonia
Older women usually have Higher ASD and need more comfort but its situational.
What do you mean by “older”? If they’re over 40, they’re usually DTF…aggressive.
@ASD
I consider Women above 30 older. From my experience I can’t say much about over 40 because I haven”t attempted to fuck many women over 40 …or any that I can recall.
I worked at a gym as a kids activities manager and dealt with 100’s of MILF’s not sure if any where over 40 because I didn’t ask the ages of any of the females . So yeah can say 40+ not my area of expertise
Blackdragon posted a good article about younger guys that would probably help the omgs and ysgs understand each other better ( kind of ( still hate the terms ysg and omg)) I posted a link to it but they all got lost in mod.
Being unhappy about a lack of access to your kids isn’t a big deal. It fucking sucks and happens to countless men. Countless men struggle with it too
Going on Twitter and dumping your purse all over the place makes you a pussy.
Regarding John Gottman, I just saw in a little section of the Wiki page on him that he’s on his third marriage. The current wife kept her own name, and she’s the third. This put Gottman in a whole different category, now he looks a whole lot more like the “divorced guy who started trying to figure out what the heck happened”, and maybe he didn’t get it right immediately either. For being divorced twice he’s arguably more balanced than I’d expect.
One thing I like about SFC Ton and Rollo and their Red Pill writing their dedication to never having lost masculinity, or their exhortations for recovering a lost masculinity. Masculinity is a life force that is complementary to the life force that is Femininity. When either is diminished human nature (and evolutionary psychology) and what got us here in the first place is mocked. Rollo’s brand is The Red Pill. And to a certain extent The Red Pill is about reclaiming and valorizing masculinity. And being un-apologetic about it. Purple pill is about making women the focus of your efforts.… Read more »
@mersonia
Good link. BD is always an interesting read. I’m planning on posting about how men shouldn’t live in and/or be controlled by their feelings. It’s tangentially related to BD’s “Man Up” post.
@asdgamer @mersonia @rollo All it really shows is that you view this as some kind of battle between two different groups instead of one group of individuals trying to better each other and help other understand viewpoints and different perspectives. But maybe for you this is some kind of battleground where you can imagine yourself being a spartan and curbstombing people over the internet. Yup this sums up all of this. None of these guys are really interested in resolving things, or reaching out to others. They are interested in keeping their narrative. Its always “RSD bad, person say good… Read more »
And here are a few more non-RSD yareally posts:
https://therationalmale.com/2015/09/16/a-man-in-demand-conference-the-review/comment-page-2/#comment-118727
https://therationalmale.com/2016/03/14/plan-b/comment-page-3/#comment-146633
https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2013/06/21/game-advice-for-alphas/#comment-451275
shit, completely forgot about gambler lol.
Mersonia: “I’m probably banned by now though so w/e”
I’ve seen that type of statement before. It is usually said by a commenter in an extinction burst.
No one is interested in “Whatever….” Life’s too short for that shit.
@Mersonia
Why are you here? Where do you come from? Who are you? Where are you going?
A new year is coming up. Try posting substantive comments. Or at least important, meaningful, or considerable and engaging thoughts.
@Hank
your whole yareally shill narrative and all.
Please find the location where Rollo called YaReally an RSD shill. (I know that Rollo called mersonia an RSD shill.)
You can’t even admit that YaReally ABANDONED the YSGs. (Sure, my writing was hyperbolic and bantering.) Why can’t you admit it?
“Its like China drives a bunch of tanks through russia, and then is surprised when russia attacks them.” Ya, really, the nerve of Rollo waltzing into this place where he’s a foreigner and trying to exert authority over Ya Really’s comment section like he owned the place. Holy inversion of reality, Batman! “It’s the monetezation that requires purpling things up, maybe?” Look. How the hell do you expect me to be able to build a financial empire around fitness if all I can do is sell you a set of barbells, which will circulate on the used market For.Frickin’. Ever.… Read more »