Non-Exclusive Exclusives
I got a link back this week from another backwater blogger who was critical of my, or really a Red Pill, take on an abundance vs. scarcity mentality. I haven’t really felt a need to review Plate Theory for a while now, but ever since Holistic Game’s coffee house protests went down it seems that picking and pulling various bits from my Plate Theory series is some novelty.
I’ve been writing in the manosphere for so long now that the same predictable straw men arguments and out of context quotes have become de rigueur now. Any objective observation of women’s sexual strategy by a man is always synonymous with misogyny.
What I’ve always found entertaining about Blue Pill critics of Plate Theory is that the concept of non-exclusivity always borders on the criminal when a man suggests men ought to pursue a non-exclusive dating (and sex), yet we hold women up as empowered, prudent and/or exemplary of bucking the repression of an imaginary patriarchy when they suggest the same.
Of course the quick retort to this is that women are ‘slut shamed’ for being non-exclusive, but this is simply an old, convenient, sidestep to shame men while distracting from women’s practical sexual strategy.
As Open Hypergamy becomes more embraced among women the usefulness of drawing attention to ‘slut shaming’ actually becomes a hinderance to justifying women’s Hypergamous priorities (AFBB). When a high profile woman like Sheryl Sandberg suggests,…
“When looking for a life partner, my advice to women is date all of them: the bad boys, the cool boys, the commitment-phobic boys, the crazy boys. But do not marry them. The things that make the bad boys sexy do not make them good husbands. When it comes time to settle down, find someone who wants an equal partner. Someone who thinks women should be smart, opinionated and ambitious. Someone who values fairness and expects or, even better, wants to do his share in the home. These men exist and, trust me, over time, nothing is sexier.”
Sandberg’s epitaph here is every bit as “objectifying” as anything you’ll find in the ‘sphere, but the difference is we are expected to find her advice for assuming a state of sexual abundance practical as well as refreshingly progressive. I’ve stated this before, but it bears repeating that as women more proudly, openly, embrace the uglier aspects of Hypergamy it will be women who will prove the validity of Red Pill awareness far better than men could. Sample from the largest available pool of prospective sexual experience (Alpha Fucks) and presume that an ‘equal partner’ (Beta Bucks) provisioner will make himself readily available to you when can no longer reliably attract the men who represent your sexual priorities.
I covered this in Plate Theory V: Lady’s Game; the natural extension of women’s sexual strategy is, at least practically, best served from a presumption of abundance. And as such we also find that the vast majority of feminine-primary social conventions center on facilitating this presumption of abundance for women. Pop culture, social media and a feminine-primary social narrative fosters an over-inflated SMV and an exaggerated sense of self-worth for women, but functionally it convinces women that they can perpetuate a condition of abundance with regard to their sexual viability almost indefinitely.
Even in a condition of committed monogamy that background sense of sexual abundance simmers in women’s subconscious. We laud women with the guts to pursue that abundance after divorce or even reward them with popularity and movie opportunities when they write books about pursuing it while married. Either that or we pat them on the back for their ability to continually move the goalposts and convince themselves and others that spinsterhood is a goal state they sought to achieve their entire lives.
In all of these instances, whether legitimate or not, there is an impression that women can perpetuate a condition of abundance for themselves – and often far past their true sexual market viability. One reason I draw the ire of many a Blue Pill male and women is because my breakdown of the predictable schedule women follow throughout their lives with regards to their SMV and their dualistic sexual strategy is that it directly confronts the doubt that they can perpetuate a condition of abundance in spite of their personal choices in life.
And that’s the crux of women’s self-affirming social and psychological conventions; to avoid any accountability for the fallout that may be caused by the choices Hypergamy has led them to make. Roissy came up with the maxim that the end goal of feminism is to maximally enable women’s sexuality while maximally restricting men’s – and of course the consolidation of that enabling of women’s sexual strategy must also account for absolving them of misgivings and mistakes made in enacting it.
Failsafes
In Betas in Waiting I explored how a majority of boys have, for several generations now, been conditioned to be serviceable providers for women once they enter a phase of life when they find themselves becoming less able to compete intrasexually. Anyone familiar with Preventive Medicine understands this (Epiphany Phase) period as the point during which a woman’s Hypergamous priorities shift from short term Alpha Fucks to long term Beta Bucks.
I also outlined the underlying plan involved in ensuring this strategy in This is now.
That was then. Now at 30 and (hopefully) with a learned and earned degree of merit, success, developed judgement, character and a reasonably well kept physique, a man finds himself in a position like no other – his options and agency to enjoy the attentions of women seem to suddenly be at an apex.
The planning women had at 19 when they told him to “wait for me at 30” now becomes more urgent as she becomes more viscerally aware of the Wall.
She knew this day would come when she was just entering into her peak SMV years.
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For men entertaining women embroiled in their Epiphany Phase inner conflicts, not only is this a very confusing phase for the uninitiated Beta, but it is also an equally precarious period with regard (once again) to the consequences of his life’s decisions with her. Most men find themselves players in women’s meta-sexual strategy at this time because they believe that their perseverance has finally paid off. All of that sacrifice and personal achievement has finally merited him the genuine interest of a “quality woman”.
For the men who never learn a Red Pill awareness what they fail to understand is that it’s at this point they’re are expected to abandon their own sexual strategy in order to complete that of the (now Epiphany Phase) woman they’re considering a pairing with. Whether they were literally asked to wait for a woman until she was 30, the effect is the same, they have waited their turn, they have waited to be of service, they have waited to fulfill a feminine primary sexual imperative.
Now I’ll ask you to draw your attention to the statistics in the picture I’ve included as today’s post image. These were sourced from this study. There are actually several more just like it, but what it illustrates is an example of how women’s subconscious will prepare failsafes in the event that the Alpha lover they hope to convert to a Beta provider doesn’t comply with her sexual strategy.
Whether he’s the one that got away, the office husband, or a gym partner, chances are he is the “Plan B” man you fantasize about running away with. Like an insurance policy, this man is the handpicked boyfriend or husband replacement you have on standby once “plan A” starts to break down on you. According to a survey conducted by OnePoll.com, an online market research company, half of women who are married or in relationships have a Plan B man on standby who is “ready and waiting” because of “unfinished business.”
It’s important to pick this apart from the get go here because, like most female written articles that describe unflattering facts about female nature, the narrative must be shifted to be the burden of men. You’ll notice the presumption here is that the ‘Plan A’ lover is always a woman’s preferred choice – thus pre-confirming women’s blamelessness from the outset – and that a ‘Plan B’ should only ever be considered if the ‘Plan A’ man somehow screws up in contenting a woman’s sexual strategy.
The entire article is founded on the principle of Dread – remember, the sort that when men use it are considered evil manipulators? However it should be noted that dread is always an element of any relationship, it’s just that since women’s imperatives are the socially correct ones today, only women can be held blameless in instituting it.
When there’s trouble in paradise, and eventually a break-up, women are left at the starting line again. This means there’s more ladies’ night, late-night rom-com marathons, and wine — lots of wine. However, to avoid playing the field and going through all the bases, women have taken a shortcut to get back to the finish line with a Plan B man. “The saying that ‘the grass isn’t always greener’ clearly isn’t deterring women of today. They understand that anything can happen and are ensuring they have a solid back-up plan should things go sour with their current man,” a spokesman for OnePoll.com told the Daily Mail.
As has been mentioned before the makings of an Alpha Widow generally begin in a woman’s Party Years; during the period during which she is at her SMV peak. And as was mentioned before, Hypergamy is always pragmatic. This Plan B insurance policy strategy is only further evidence of Hypergamy, but it is also pragmatic. Women’s hindbrains know that their SMV is a rapidly decaying asset, so yes that back up plan makes sense. What’s not so obvious in this study is that women also cling to the hope that the Plan B man with whom they consolidated long term security with might someday be replaced by the fantasy of an Alpha she’s widowed herself over.
I think the latter is not only a far more practical reasoning, but since it’s unflattering and exposing of the machinations of Hypergamy, the far more likely use of a ‘Plan B’ alternate.
You can read the rest of the article and pick up on the blatantly entitled male-qualification perspective and a bit more “you better not fuck things up” dread signaling, however, I think the last three stats are the most salient here. At least half of the men involved knew of the Plan B man, 1 in 5 was a friend of his, and 1 in 10 of the Plan B’s had already made an attempt to jump ladders to be intimate with her.
A couple of things make themselves apparent here: in a social order that is made of at least 80% Beta men women can get an ego boost in real time from the default dread they can inspire without really trying. And second, in generation Beta a default form of soft Beta cuckolding is not just known to them, but apparently it’s become normalized for them.
All of this really comes back to, once again, quelling the constant state of internal doubt that Hypergamy instills in women. The Plan B dynamic, and the normalization of it in a feminine centric social order, is yet another play for assurances of security in both the sexual and provisioning aspects of Hypergamy.
Now, so as not to leave you hanging here, I have to end this essay with a bit of actionable advice. I get criticized for outlining the problems very well, but leaving out what a man ought to do with this information.
As always, your first order of business is to be aware that this dynamic is in play. Understand that this Plan B insurance tactic is not just reserved for married men with dead bedrooms. You will likely see variations of it in your dealings with women while you’re single. Any man who’s sexed a girl who depends on a bevy of male orbiters to bolster her self-esteem knows the utility of them. In the next post I’ll be going into detail of how you can leverage the Betaness of most men to elevate your SMV.
Finally, if you are a married man experiencing this Plan B dynamic, you need to do some serious reassessing of your relationship and the status your wife holds you in. Are you one of the 50% of men who know who their wife’s Plan B is? Is he even a friend of yours?
What can you do to reinforce your Alpha dominance in this situation? Or maybe a better question is, is it worth your effort to do so? There will undoubtedly be the predictable comments about how marriage is never worth the effort, and I’ll acknowledge that here first, but are you a victim of endlessly rooting through garbage to reestablish an Alpha impression for your wife that she’s reserved for her Plan B alternate?
@ Sting Ray
And the cup is half-full.
Meaning this is a plus for him?
Sure, it means that she is less likely to abandon her investment in him.
“But how do wind tunnel machines do when it comes to controlling tornados?”
Just fine. You are engaging in an apex fallacy, implying that because we cannot create a star we cannot create a fusion bomb.
I can create and destroy a whirlpool with a cup and a swizzle stick.
@ SD You can be the best fighter pilot alive -to use one example- redpill game and all, and you’ll be doing good in your LTR until she meets the Base Commander at some function. Then your Top Gun ass is grass. She has no reason NOT to branch swing; her current guy is a sunk cost compared to a better deal. Better deal? You are forgetting optimized Hypergamy and her dread of losing continued access to you. Base Commander wants a hookup, not LTR, because of sexual economics, but you offer a LTR as good as it gets. Still… Read more »
@asdgamer,
He said her family is paying, which most likely means Dad is paying. This is not a good thing for him. It detracts from attraction and the apology was probably that last one step too far.
You are engaging in an apex fallacy, implying that because we cannot create a star we cannot create a fusion bomb.
Apex fallacy? I thought we were discussing God.
” I thought we were discussing God.”
You were discussing God. I was discussing empiricism.
@ Stingray
He said her family is paying, which most likely means Dad is paying. This is not a good thing for him. It detracts from attraction.
If attraction is based on BetaBux, sure. She’s gonna wana keep Dad, happy, tho. Really Mom, since Mom controls the finances most times. And Mom will be pressuring her Precious to extract commitment.
I have seen this plan B,dynamic played out from every angle for years and believe that the people with no plan B are;A,suicidal B,infatuated oneitis C,mgtow damaged goods D,shitting themselves E,retarded F,overconfident see b,d. Accepting that a SO in a relationship has a plan B can be tough for a man w/ oneitis or a woman that is vested in her hypergamy,we all like to be comfortable. For instance an old ww2 vet friend once asked me to be his wifes plan B.in the event of his passing.She was 40yrs younger than him and while not an unlikely prospect I… Read more »
If attraction is based on BetaBux, sure. No. I’m talking about attraction based on Dad AMOGing this guy. He is apologizing for learning Spanish online from women. It is likely that he is not the rebel that the girl fell for who is jobless and alpha anyway. However, given that Dad is paying for his daughter to live with another guy, I don’t think it will be that hard to take overtake him, given the little we know. TD, apologies for talking about your situation as if you are not reading. Also, attraction is not based on what mom and… Read more »
“What can you do to reinforce your Alpha dominance in this situation? Or maybe a better question is, is it worth your effort to do so?” Nothing! If you need to reassure your “Alpha status” or whatever else, you´ve already lost. Women are not prepared for men who need them. Women tingle madly for men that WANT them. Once your “want” becomes your “need” she feels substantial decrease of attraction. It is subconscious, majority of women are not even aware of that. She will ditch you, sooner or later, she can not help herself. If you feel that you have… Read more »
@IgivemyBFblueballs: “By the way, this whole plan B thing is supposed to tell us of female hypergamous nature… but men also usually have a sidechick, or a plan B chick, or numerous other options. Soooo what does that tell us?” That men are polygynous by nature. Women are hypergamous by nature. Finit! “Anyway, once again this all proves that women and men are basically very similar, and the only way to have a stable society is to commit to strict monogamy.” No snowflake, it does not. Try to keep your projected ego invested solipsism to a minimum. And read all… Read more »
@Scribblerg
Enjoyed your Guitar riffing and skiing FR immensely,cool MPO progress.
Also thankyou for sharing some of your story,this is helpful to all.
Note some people hold a grudge and anyone that hasn’t completed a 5th step will likely be judgmental.
IMO once the anger stage is passed and a decent prospect [worth the risk] is found,closing is second nature for a natural.
Rock on little brother!
@Wild Man Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I could have definitely expressed myself better. I’m all about Leadership(Alphaness) being inclusive.. Again keep in mind the bigger picture here, how does our individual behavior affects masculinity and Masculine Imperative within our society? if we have to agree that nature/human nature dictates every human society to be patriarchal, then we can safely assume that a man’s world is bigger than a woman’s world so that a man can satisfy both his imperative as well as hypergamy(indirectly), or at least create a balance between the two. A man’s character can be defined by… Read more »
Wait, wait, gotta get my earbuds back in again….Plan B doesn’t turn out right, false rape accusation ensues, but… http://www.cotwa.info/2016/03/farmington-man-beats-rape-accusation.html Woodis told detectives she met up with Thompson, whom she had known for approximately a month, on the night of Jan. 25, and they kissed, but she told him she was not ready to have sex with him. Woodis then claimed Thompson stripped her pants off and sexually penetrated her against her will, according to the complaint. She said she told him to stop, but he choked her and slapped her face, the complaint states. Detectives noted in the report… Read more »
Good post Rollo, it’s always good to think. I have seen this / heard about variations of this for the man the question of whether it’s worth it is the starting point. If your wife / plate perceives you as Beta then up sticks and keep moving on!
Zomg, Yareally wrecked Liz. Ouch.
If you have a vagina and are posting here, then apparently you are an attention whore by default.
@yareally, walawala, etc. Question for the peanut gallery: I thrive on feisty, antagonistic openers or interactions that turn into a trading of barbs and shit tests, etc. especially in a group of girls where I can tease, ignore the one I like most, play them off each other, cold read, blah blah… but what to do when they are just being nice and kind of bland, not challenging me or testing me or calling me out? What I’m asking is how to read the difference between a girl who is just shy or really sweet/polite who doesn’t require overgaming vs.… Read more »
@Emily:
http://orig04.deviantart.net/dd0a/f/2011/048/c/9/pot_calling_kettle_black_by_prince_of_powerpoint-d39so1n.png
Iron Rule of Emily:
If you have a vagina and are posting here, then you are an attention whore
“Then, change your mental state. Behave as you do not care about her. Again – watch her closely. First she becomes shocked, then she becmes emotional and then…..she enters your boundaries and hugs/kiss you. She moves towards you!”
You know you only want me when I get over you – Lindsey Buckingham
@redlight
Women in the locker room almost invariably are, hence the reason even in the event where they can have anonymity you’ll find out they’re a woman.
“Watching like a 6 ruthlessly clowning on a dude who’s rich jacked etc (but has shitty internals and is txting her from a needy place etc) is surreal.” yeah i mean most guys just don’t even kno it’s why i’m like….Ya is fighting the good fight responding to all of this bullshit but whatever. go out and see for yourself i kno 6-8’s who have rich buff jacked dudes FLYING THEM all around the country, putting them up in hotels etc. and a lot of manosphere dudes are looking for protection. they want to use game as this way of… Read more »
“but what to do when they are just being nice and kind of bland, not challenging me or testing me or calling me out? What I’m asking is how to read the difference between a girl who is just shy or really sweet/polite who doesn’t require overgaming vs. a girl who’s actually just not interested?” escalate. you’re just looking for ways out of being a hero. “I don’t really know how to escalate or move it forward if everything is too nice and small-talk driven, it just bores me to death, no sexual tension.” this is the same thing. you… Read more »
@YaReally Watching like a 6 ruthlessly clowning on a dude who’s rich jacked etc (but has shitty internals and is txting her from a needy place etc) is surreal. Oh man I’ve had post-Wall 4-6s that I KNOW I outclass just go apeshit on me in person and show off for their friend(s) that joins in with them. I usually just turn it in to an opportunity to antagonize and have fun with it (because fuck it I’m about to walk away anyway), but it really is amazing how these chicks are so sure they’re hot and I’m dogshit. Yeah… Read more »
Zomg, Yareally wrecked Liz. Ouch.
Liz is tough. She’ll be back once she’s out of the repair shop. lol
“but what to do when they are just being nice and kind of bland, not challenging me or testing me or calling me out? What I’m asking is how to read the difference between a girl who is just shy or really sweet/polite who doesn’t require overgaming vs. a girl who’s actually just not interested?” escalate. you’re just looking for ways out of being a hero. “I don’t really know how to escalate or move it forward if everything is too nice and small-talk driven, it just bores me to death, no sexual tension.” this is the same thing. you… Read more »
i mean you don’t always have to make out with her. you can do something as simple as stepping into her space and seeing how she reacts.
” Last year Liz and I flirted”
Interesting.
“Liz is a playful party girl.”
Hmm
“Liz has said that she likes men and doesn’t generally like women.”
oooh really??
“Liz has previously said that she is envious that her husband gets to play GrabAss at parties and Liz doesn’t”
VERY interesting.
Coupled with her mommy issues, I think I understand now why Liz is so obsessed with the red pill.
I doubt she actually left, but it was amusing that she was trying to actually be liked here and yet is still called an attention whore. Sadface.
Shit, here I thought I had to make out so I could get the Man Up Merit Badge. (Seriously, your advice rocks, scray.)
I was curious how far Liz would take it interacting with YaReally. She couldn’t handle the shiv test. Liz realized that she isn’t one of the guys and that there’s always the potential that she’ll be meat. Maybe she forgot that? Silly girl. [big amused smile]
@ Emily
Lots of men here like Liz, I think. She’s never an obnoxious cunt. It’s obvious that Liz thinks she’s hot. Also kind of dorky, which is cute. And Liz really appreciates men for what men do–military, construction, engineering, mining, agriculture, etc. Lots to like.
Of course, she is a Trad Con, which is FI subservient. No surprise, she’s a girl.
Why are you interacting with me? What are you after, Miss I’ve-been-celibate-for-the-last-year? [big amused smile, I’m lasering you…and… getting…into…your…grill]
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@ Emily ( this time I’m talking to you )
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Re: Liz- she does not interact with me at all, so zfg.
My preference would be that all of the women scram. They serve as distractions, period.
But this is not my blog, so they will hang around adding practically nothing to the discourse with the exception of being illustrative of the things we speak about here. So there’s a purpose served.
I just need a scroll wheel and I’m good.
@kfg – “Are you not aware of the aphorism that my right to swing my arms ends at your nose?” Implying self-imposed ethical limits on your personal agency? – (or is it biologically derived ethical limits?, or is it culturally-conditioned ethical limits?) Or is it all 3 by way of recursive feedback loops? Interesting turn of events. I was just trying for the even-hand, man. I guess you be the (Ir)rational Ninja that does the even-hand even when you’re not (covert/overt-style), instead of vise versa (overt/covert-style) – pretty cool – I do appreciate I think. I may need time to… Read more »
@wala
You never want to be the rebound guy. The rebound guy always gets used as the emotional tampon for the first guy—regardless of whether he was Alpha or Beta….
Women like to play guys off each other… she tells you first guy was a wimp…pumps up your ego…then next time you do something she doesn’t like she uses beta guy as the model behavior.
“rebound guy” = just a great opportunity for more practice in frame control…lol
good luck!
@Sun Oh man I’ve had post-Wall 4-6s that I KNOW I outclass just go apeshit on me in person and show off for their friend(s) that joins in with them. they know it too…that’s why they are engaging in ego defense of peremptory rejection…recognize it for what it is = straighten out your internals = you really are the prize. It’s just the constant validation stream (orbiters, social media, YOU GO GRRL culture) that props them up. no…(well, maybe…lol…but they still are not the prize) just remember RP is about SEEING what’s right in front of you…bad AND good…don’t let… Read more »
@Rollo, long time lurker. After a year of taking red pills, I’ve started to reflect on experiences that befuddled me in the past, but now come into sharp focus. I recently remembered reading “The Storm” by Kate Chopin in my college American Lit course. It’s a great example of AF/BB in a short story written back in 1898. The story itself was one of those experiences that I wrote off as an aberration back in my blue pill days. Today, I see it as a valid data point and an indication reality.
@theasdgamer
@ habd
I’ve learned so much from you!
glad to help, but you put in the work…also glad to see that you and Mrs. Gamer worked things out…
good luck!
Plan B. Because the Thirst is so very real, practically all females have the potential of developing a viable Plan B. Beautiful women, Crazy women, Fat women, Ugly women, all women can have that backup plan because so many men are dying of sexual thirst. Pretty chicks get the lion’s share of attention, this is true, but most women get some kind of attention paid to them on some level. This is something that is not true for all men. There are a lot of behemoths out in the world that have an orbiter or two trying to get in… Read more »
@Wild Man: “Implying self-imposed ethical limits on your personal agency?”
Implying that my agency is in my ability to will myself to act outside of self-imposed ethical limits.
@Blaximus The Thirst. = FI in play… That shit is pervasive. and cunning…don’t forget that part…lol I tell you, a woman can’t concentrate on a Plan B or C if she is being emotionally challenged ( dread, great bed breaking sex, a strong masculine personality ) on a fairly regular basis. Emotions guys, take control of that shit. Game. +1…game early, game often… And if all of this fails, bid her farewell and wish her good luck as you move the fuck on to the next one with a lesson firmly tucked under your arm. and except for the ‘cost’… Read more »
@kfg: On Emily on Liz…
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@Dirk “…but what to do when they are just being nice and kind of bland, not challenging me or testing me or calling me out?” This is where game needs to be more than about being a “dancing clown” or the cocky-funny guy. If they’re being “nice” but still standing in front of you, that’s an IOI. Consider being more physical: looking into her eyes, starting kino, Also consider sexualizing the conversation slowly. I start by teasing appropriately: frame her as being sweet on the outside but crazy in private.. One great way I’ve found is to get the topic… Read more »
@ETA – I pretty much agree with most everything you say in you latest comment. Wrt this interesting comment you made, “Again keep in mind the bigger picture here, how does our individual behavior affects masculinity and Masculine Imperative within our society? if we have to agree that nature/human nature dictates every human society to be patriarchal, then we can safely assume that a man’s world is bigger than a woman’s world so that a man can satisfy both his imperative as well as hypergamy(indirectly), or at least create a balance between the two.” , I think the reasons for… Read more »
“A previous commenter said something about a chick he was with, that whenever he got up to go to the bathroom, there’d be some guy there in his chair trying to talk to his girl. Lol, yeah I know that feeling and ZFG.”
that was me.
it’s fun.
@kfg – “Implying that my agency is in my ability to will myself to act outside of self-imposed ethical limits.”
So maybe you really do want to punch me in the face? Yikes. Or maybe you don’t want to punch me in the face but think it is ethically wrong not to, so you will (given the chance) anyway?
kfg – I would rather not be exchanging irl face punches with you.
Oh yeah, re: Vanity ( Denise Matthews ) Fine girl. Poster child for drugs in music in the 80’s-90’s. Too bad. http://www.thelastdragontribute.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/VANITY-April-1988-PLAYBOY-COVER.jpg Born again…too late. I used to have a special hard on for her, lol. She was a couple of years older than me, but zfg. I had a friend that I used to visit in Minneapolis during the hey day of Prince. I saw Vanity6 at 1st avenue ( where most of Purple Rain was shot ), and the girl was WASTED. She started to look like a druggie. http://itsfreshradio.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/image.jpg I lost my special hard on for her.… Read more »
@ scray – ” A previous commenter said something about a chick he was with, that whenever he got up to go to the bathroom, there’d be some guy there in his chair trying to talk to his girl. Lol, yeah I know that feeling and ZFG.” that was me. it’s fun. Hey man sorry. I remembered the story but was too lazy to go back and see who posted it. Yeah, I never got mad at guys approaching. I kinda understood. It was all good except for the few that would try to shit talk me in front of… Read more »
@blax
“Yeah, I never got mad at guys approaching. I kinda understood. It was all good except for the few that would try to shit talk me in front of her. Making it between he and I.”
yeah. i mean….
who wants to be with a chick no other guys want to fuck?
it’s good for guys to be with hot women.
i roll my eyes at like 80% of their lives.
it’s fucking ridiculous
which is why it gets harder and harder for me to take a lot of the manosphere ‘grievances’ seriously.
@ scray
“…yeah. i mean….
who wants to be with a chick no other guys want to fuck?”
Lmao.
Yup. I only ask that men keep it in perspective. Hot chicks are like ants. They are everywhere and there’s millions of them. Approach accordingly.
Wala
On the “we’ll see” response, i’ve gotten huge responses from “we’ll see how you play your cards” which is great because it not only challenges her it flips the script and reframes with you as the decider…
Rollo, my man! Great post. From the linked to article: “This news may cause a few men in relationships to think twice about not taking the rubbish out or choosing a night down the pub in favor of a cozy night in with his partner. This could spark fear in men across the UK and be great news for women looking for that extra bit of love and care so that their attentions aren’t swayed.” JFC. And just imagine the article written the other way `round. Guys with plan B and saying chicks need to be more attentive. LOL, the… Read more »
@All
I will take this opportunity to forward the motion that all female commenters of legal age be welcomed.
Under the stipulation that they show their tits upon entering with the next round.
Restrict all comments to apologies and total agreement with post,sympathy for the man that is suffering will be acceptable until rejected.
Please remove the special snowflake pasties before lifting your shirt.
Is you is or is you ain’t my constituency?
Women commenting have all displayed high levels of AWALT.
In the end, I guess I’m cool with that because…women.
I’m tired of Emily, with her merry-go-round super Hamster act. But am I surprised at an entitled, spoiled, clueless, solipsistic and racist 20 year old little girl? Um, yeah I am surprised pretty much. I know a bunch of 20 year old girls who are nothing at all like that. NAWALE…
I thought young folks like her aged out and didn’t bother to reproduce. He he he heee.
Fux it. They will come, so they will cum.
@ Niko ” Never understood how the Plan B guys enjoy what they get. To my understanding blowjobs are limited, sex is unimaginative and hence, boring as fuck. You instantly understand if you are her Plan B by the quality of sex that you get and the quality of submissiveness the woman is able to display towards you. Somehow if you are doing the dishes, doing the cooking, doing anything that’s traditionally feminine – the woman sees you as the chick in the relationship. Sure there are women and women… but experience wise – they easily know their place if… Read more »
Okay, this should read ” Men that accept the Plan B option probably do not care at all about the quality of women/sex that they are getting in the bargain(?).
Where’s my damn coffee?
This question is off-topic for this article, but I really wanted to ask it:
Does “game” help for hapa guys (men who are half-asian and half-white)?
Apparently, guys who are mixed-race asian seem to consider themselves the least desirable of all men to women.
There is an online community of mixed-race half-asian men lamenting their misfortune about their racial make-up and the effects it has on their relationships with women:
https://hapasons.wordpress.com
https://www.reddit.com/r/hapas/
My thought on what 1 large driver of the Plan B thing? Massive amounts of women in the workforce. **** Boo’s and hisses and chants of misogynist abounds **** In all corporate environments that I’ve been in, women leave their boyfriends/husbands every day to come to work and flirt mercilessly with the men of their choosing at work. I have been referred to as the ” work hubby ” on a few occasions. I hate that bullshit term and reject it soundly. I have watch countless office affairs over the years. This women in the workforce deal is a bad… Read more »
@Wild Man: “So maybe you really do want to punch me in the face? Yikes. Or maybe you don’t want to punch me in the face but think it is ethically wrong not to, so you will (given the chance) anyway?” Those are both open options. That’s agency. And perhaps that is one reason you cling to your egalitarian mindset/even hand with such ferocity. The fact that other people have agency is scary. The only thing standing between you and getting punched in the nose, or stabbed in the back, is whether or not some other fellow wants to or… Read more »
That genie will never be put back in the bottle. Duly nutted er noted.
@kfg – this even-hand thing – I don’t think your are getting it yet. There is no clinging involved. It takes a higher energy state for me to do it. Otherwise I kinda like thinking about punching people in face and such. I am kinda a asshole some of the time. Feeling dominant by the asshole route (you know – I’m better, I lay down better ass-whooping, I be smarter, I be better at all round fucking your shit up and all that jazz), is a way to go to. But in reality there is always going to be someone… Read more »
@Beaker Game works for everyone, and in fact, will work better for you than most regular guys. Gonna steal a yareally example. What’s more impressive, a buff chad thundercock climbing mount everest, or a man with no arms climbing mt everest? Anyone climbing mt everest is impressive, but the dude with no arms is FUCKING AMAZING because a guy like that SHOULDN’T be able to do that. He must be one badass motherfucker to pull that off. Likewise, everyone expects chad thundercock to act alpha. It would be shocking if he DIDN’T act like one. But if an asian dude… Read more »
Bah, I’m tired of this shit. Ban me if you want, I’m gonna speak my mind from now on. Fyi, I didn’t ever think anyone here liked me whatsoever, I don’t really care. Liz however, did seem to have that idea. Though I hope now she finally understands the truth. Liz, no matter how much you agree with the guys here and try your best to contribute and get them to like you, it’s not gonna work. They believe that AWALT, and that includes you. For them there ain’t no unicorns or special snowflakes. There is them, the representatives of… Read more »
Men are risky to women. Being in a male space is risky for any woman. Especially if they’re married without their man.
Lol @ Emily’s ghey word salad.
@Emily: “There is them, the representatives of the masculine imperative, and then the betas, and then ALL women.”
That is a basic summation of the Feminine Imperative – from the FI point of view.
“I’m legit sorry for any insult I made towards your appearance and everything else.”
But AWALT. Go figure.
” . . . anti-feminist (and therefore anti-women) sites like Judgy Bitch.”
Funny lookin’ pig, ain’t it? If it didn’t say “pig” on the receipt you might be inclined to swear it was a cat.
@ kfg Yeah, girls get in competition for the attention of men, lol. AWALT because it’s hard-wired. Blax was Ok with Liz because Liz didn’t engage him. YaReally was happy to shiv Liz. I’m Ok with Liz, flirting or not, but I’m an autistic oddball, lol. I understand Liz intuitively, including her silliness in engaging YaReally. Liz has a tendency to trust men because she intuitively likes men. Liz starts off with high comfort towards men. High ASD, too. Liz should probably be as cautious with me as with YaReally, even with my autistic inhibitions. I knew all these things… Read more »
Emily’s oblivious ironies never cease to entertain. I post an essay detailing women’s Plan B dynamic and the girl who indefinitely soft-cucks her Plan B boyfriend with Christian-ish neurotic sex-guilt while she searches for Alpha tingles and yet more Beta orbiters online is the first to type “NAWALT.”
I for one don’t want Emily going away. She’s served as excellent confirmation of virtually every Red Pill dynamic I’ve ever detailed.
Funny and eerie how much Illimitable Man parallels thoughts here from the psychological perspective. Emily: “Bah, I’m tired of this shit.” What she really means is: Illimitable Men: “At this point it seems the system</del Emily would prefer men are useful but ignorant, rather than enlightened and sovereign." Emily: Was it you who was once trying to get me to understand that this is a male space? I think I got that better than you ever did. After all, I’ve never actually tried to integrate here as a member of this male space. I think that you, Liz, did try… Read more »
Illimitable Men: “At this point it seems
the systemEmily would prefer men are useful but ignorant, rather than enlightened and sovereign.”Trad-con or a feminist hypergamist… what great choices in women.
@ Pinelero
Buddy, if you’re bleak about reality, you’re seeing things thru an obsolete 1950s lens. Be enlightened and sovereign instead of an ignorant slave. You can still have a great life–just not in the way you imagined.
Carpe diem!
@SJF At this point the old tired gray bearded man,pictures the representative of the new system;Sitting in the chair bbm [built by men],typing on a keyboard bbm,in a building bbm,connected to a grid bbm,wearing clothing from a factory bbm,eating food from an ag system bbm. He can’t help but notice the disrespect of the system rep,and the lack of motivation of the younger men that have been educated by this system. He can see that this new system is but a collection of misguided beliefs,that will inevitably burn down the entire structure. He now understands,the old mans words [I am… Read more »
@stuffinbox I’m still not disenchanted by the system. I live in a middle ground out there. And ultimately I find my redemption in red pill/game (and my farm and the observation of mother nature and darwinian caprice). I’m just turning grey, never had wisdom from the old order (the memos didn’t get through). My son, thankfully, shows good signs of motivation. But I’m stoic and inscrutable (if anyone hasn’t noticed) and am enthusiastic and rarely down for a half count. Men aren’t above criticizing themselves individually or collectively, (women are), and I’ve come to find THE GAME problem (or sexual… Read more »
My thought on what 1 large driver of the Plan B thing? Massive amounts of women in the workforce. **** Boo’s and hisses and chants of misogynist abounds **** In all corporate environments that I’ve been in, women leave their boyfriends/husbands every day to come to work and flirt mercilessly with the men of their choosing at work. I have been referred to as the ” work hubby ” on a few occasions. I hate that bullshit term and reject it soundly. I have watch countless office affairs over the years. This women in the workforce deal is a bad… Read more »
“Men need to adapt.”
Bearing in mind that “adaptation” does not mean “surrender.”
@SJF Sir I am the old gray beard that is disenchanted with the system and also find the game problem heavy on the man side. I am currently building my large acreage into a 1800s style homestead.coupled with new tech,cold frames and greenhouse and old tech hand milled logs,rail fences,terrace gardens with ground irrigation I am rebuilding the cold frames w/ homegrown beams and adding rain gutters to cut down on watering req. Also clear cutting an aspen grove in a vortex to build a new catch pond. As you can see the above was meant to point out the… Read more »
@stuffinbox: you should check out the youtube channel for Farmhand Companion
@Stuff in Box:
Sounds like a good place to plant your flag, draw a line in the sand and say, “This far, and no further.”
My absolute best wishes to you, Sir.
I’m not really getting the over-analysis on Emily and Liz. Women be subject to estrogen, men be subject to testosterone. So what people do is gonna be colored by that. But there is still a person there that is operating through the hormone haze we all are subject to. How the person handles these personal circumstances is really fascinating. You might miss that if you just focus on the hormone. So let’s just all have a group hug and sing kumbaya (or not)! OK – maybe that wasn’t really very funny. But sometimes it is fun just to zoom out… Read more »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2gC3fT_PiI
Yolo cock carousal rider meets epiphany phase and revirginization… courtesy of Madison Ave…
You Go Grrl [to buy those dowdy glasses… and “not do that anymore”]!!!
@Wild Man: “Maybe you have to be of two minds to pull this off – in order to be the consummate actor in the human drama – the mind of the player and the mind of the watcher.”
😁…Emily (IgivemyBFblueballs) whining is the equivalent ooff a banshee going “I need dick! I need good, hard dick sooo baaad! Someone please let me call you ‘daddy’!” The young child has realised that kitchen is HOT and that ain’t about to change for her, or anyone…. You’re not special snowflake…we don’t think about you at all…at best you’re a tolerated nuisance… At least Liz understands what RM is about, and that observations made here are in line with reality… You however…are a completely different kettle of fish. You think that RM, and by extension, men and reality, should tailor itself… Read more »
A professor got fired for bad game. http://chronicle.com/article/A-Professor-a-Graduate/231007/?cid=gs&utm_source=gs&utm_medium=en The first time the young woman wound up in Peter Ludlow’s bedroom was during a party at his apartment held by Northwestern University’s philosophy department. In the luxury high-rise, with its expansive view of the Chicago skyline, Mr. Ludlow and his colleagues wined and dined prospective graduate students. He was a star professor in the department, and she had just earned her master’s degree. “He brought me into his bedroom, where his printer was, and he was printing off all of this unpublished work that he said nobody else had read, and… Read more »
@All – Wow, mostly good stuff on this thread, so busy IRL can’t read it all. But wanted to share something. I’ve been opening and driving up attraction with women much more consciously this week, i get in close, make intense eye contact and bring up my desire to fuck them in my mind while talking to them. As I slow my voice down and laser in with my lust present, it’s almost like they are hypnotized. Been getting crazy good reactions, but of course it’s all opening stuff – been in business settings mostly. I did pussy out on… Read more »
A visual of this Lothario… “Mr. Ludlow was 54 and had a history of dating young women.”
Go forth old men…
@Dirk “…but what to do when they are just being nice and kind of bland, not challenging me or testing me or calling me out?” I’m the same as you. These girls bore the fuck out of me. A girl who’s “feisty” and shit-tests me from the start, we’re probably going to fuck, it’s almost inevitable lol ’cause every test she throws at me that I pass spikes Attraction in her. But with the Nice Girls you’re describing, they don’t really shit-test me so it’s this bland boring interaction from my perspective. My buddy LOVES those girls and LOVES those… Read more »
Mini FR that I forgot to mention: One of the restaurants I hit up regularly has this cute young asian HB7 working there (I’m such a sucker for cute chicks in glasses; I’m gonna propose a law banning eye surgery for women I swear) that I would tease about her claiming to know me and my preferences. She disappeared for a few months and popped back up there last week, swinging by my table even though it wasn’t one she was waiting on. I decided to start escalating things with her, teasing her about “Well well, nice to see you… Read more »
@YaReally
Couldn’t help but think of this shirt.
@Scrib – “bring up my desire to fuck them in my mind while talking to them.” Yes – women very much enjoy feeling genuine desire from what they deem a high-value man. It’s fun for everyone then (as long as you be cool about it). I think one of the problems for us older guys is that life has slapped us around enough already (you younger guys – this is going to happen to you too, there is no avoiding getting repeatedly slapped around by life). Therefore an older guy can really get jaded about people, and some guys can’t… Read more »
I see the analogy stuffinbox, may all your hurdles on the homestead be low ones. I barely tickle the underbelly of my farmstead. And I can’t fix mother nature or human nature. So I go with the flow of those natures instead of buck the trend. Going downstream is easier than upstream. This is also analogous to red pill awareness and game and men’s strategies. Odd week for me. The time change (now lighter until 8 PM) and rain on Sunday prompted me to make a run out the the farm to stop and smell the pussy (willows…..Salix Caprea that… Read more »
Back after a longer time. IMO men need to cultivate a sense of reality. Kick out all the morality stuff and everything that hindering you to be a “Hunter” !!! This essay “Plan B” is just another prove how reality is like today and will remain so for some decades. The conclusion of that means that every men now has to concentrate solely on his own life. We should see what women are really there for; for our pleasure (i.e Sex and goofy fun) and bearing children. The social contract of marriage and everything that comes with that exist no… Read more »
Gavin tearing shit up yet again: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeAerBwVL14 Society’s current fucked up status is GREAT for a guy like me, I get to cash in on all the pussy, like Gavin’s character is basically reading my mind lol But I’m fully aware that there will be consequences for all this down the road. I met a chick recently who’s late 20s and is looking into religious shit, like actively trying to take it up in an attempt to have some rules to follow to be a “good girl”. I wonder if that will be a route women take…there’s no men in… Read more »
@ChocDoc
“PUA advices are great. Men can follow them and fuck some chicks and then?”
I don’t think you have any idea what PUA actually teaches.
“Do you guys were able to find new RP-minded acquaintances in real life?”
Yes.
“If yes…how have you done it?”
PUA.
@ Yareally
So you also game men, huh? You must be one of the Bi-Guys. Lol
Anyway….thanks
But the link to the clip of Gavin was Top !!
@YaReally, having a bad day, scribblerg Thanks for all the input. YaReally, you’re spot on as usual. The only thing that concerns me is where you wrote: “… than to try to wrangle a girl who’s NOT cool with it into “putting up” with it because that girl is going to build resentment over time and flip her shit one day and you’ll probably end up hurting her” That sounds like the girl I’m seeing. I’m still holding to the idea that AWALT, and trusting that she truly is happier in the current arrangement, even though she claims she’s not,… Read more »
@Rollo
Agreed. Funniest part is that even when we openly discuss it in front of her she remains 100% oblivious to her own nature.
Dunno that I like her sticking around due to how direct responses to her tend to derail discussions, but I suppose examples of what’s discussed here are just going to be that way.
Aww Sun, Emily’s really a sweet girl. She just needs some masculine guidance to set her on the right path. Can you really blame her attention seeking? She keeps looking for a Man to straighten her out – kind of like breaking a Philly. Her boyfriend is a chump who’s too ready to roll over and accept his sex drive is something God wants him to sublimate. It’s kind of hard to get something going for a guy who’ll desexualize himself so easily, but he is a reliable Plan B while she looks for something else online. That’s why she… Read more »
Hello guys, I’ve been out for a little while and I still have to catch up with most of the comments here. Just to drop a little status report. I have ignored the game for a while, not doing approaches this week, versus the past week in which I did like 3 approaches. The reason is that I’m planning a small travel for my vacations from work. I haven’t had any vacations 2014 because I had no idea what to do in them rather than staying in the house playing games and surfing the web. Now, I’m looking to travel… Read more »
@YaReally
… you mean like Emily’s entire story?
@Ya Really: “I met a chick recently who’s late 20s and is looking into religious shit . . . I wonder if that will be a route women take…there’s no men in their lives to lay down the law and rules . . .” That woman is by nature intended to obey is shown by the fact that every woman who is placed in the unnatural position of absolute independence at once attaches herself to some kind of man, by whom she is controlled and governed; this is because she requires a master. If she, is young, the man is… Read more »
Blaximus I have watch countless office affairs over the years. This women in the workforce deal is a bad one. Yup. The affairs don’t even have to be sexual, they can just be “emotional affairs” where she gets certain emotional needs met by her “work hubs”. Consider a legal secretary married to a plumber. The plumber is doing well, his work and thus pay is steady, maybe he’s hired an assistant and bought another truck. But his wifey is around suits all day, with higher powered personalities. She doesn’t have to have an affair to start looking down her nose… Read more »
@YaReally
I wanted to send you a copy of Daygame Overkill. I read a recent discussion you were doing criticising my game. You’re welcome to that opinion. However, seeing as my best stuff is behind the Overkill paywall, you haven’t seen it.
Of course, if you’re not interested or you watch it and still think I’m shit that’s fine. At least then the opinion will be informed by accurate data.
I asked for email because my video platform requires it as the login. Any junk email will suffice so long as it ensures you get the Welcome login mail.