Non-Exclusive Exclusives
I got a link back this week from another backwater blogger who was critical of my, or really a Red Pill, take on an abundance vs. scarcity mentality. I haven’t really felt a need to review Plate Theory for a while now, but ever since Holistic Game’s coffee house protests went down it seems that picking and pulling various bits from my Plate Theory series is some novelty.
I’ve been writing in the manosphere for so long now that the same predictable straw men arguments and out of context quotes have become de rigueur now. Any objective observation of women’s sexual strategy by a man is always synonymous with misogyny.
What I’ve always found entertaining about Blue Pill critics of Plate Theory is that the concept of non-exclusivity always borders on the criminal when a man suggests men ought to pursue a non-exclusive dating (and sex), yet we hold women up as empowered, prudent and/or exemplary of bucking the repression of an imaginary patriarchy when they suggest the same.
Of course the quick retort to this is that women are ‘slut shamed’ for being non-exclusive, but this is simply an old, convenient, sidestep to shame men while distracting from women’s practical sexual strategy.
As Open Hypergamy becomes more embraced among women the usefulness of drawing attention to ‘slut shaming’ actually becomes a hinderance to justifying women’s Hypergamous priorities (AFBB). When a high profile woman like Sheryl Sandberg suggests,…
“When looking for a life partner, my advice to women is date all of them: the bad boys, the cool boys, the commitment-phobic boys, the crazy boys. But do not marry them. The things that make the bad boys sexy do not make them good husbands. When it comes time to settle down, find someone who wants an equal partner. Someone who thinks women should be smart, opinionated and ambitious. Someone who values fairness and expects or, even better, wants to do his share in the home. These men exist and, trust me, over time, nothing is sexier.”
Sandberg’s epitaph here is every bit as “objectifying” as anything you’ll find in the ‘sphere, but the difference is we are expected to find her advice for assuming a state of sexual abundance practical as well as refreshingly progressive. I’ve stated this before, but it bears repeating that as women more proudly, openly, embrace the uglier aspects of Hypergamy it will be women who will prove the validity of Red Pill awareness far better than men could. Sample from the largest available pool of prospective sexual experience (Alpha Fucks) and presume that an ‘equal partner’ (Beta Bucks) provisioner will make himself readily available to you when can no longer reliably attract the men who represent your sexual priorities.
I covered this in Plate Theory V: Lady’s Game; the natural extension of women’s sexual strategy is, at least practically, best served from a presumption of abundance. And as such we also find that the vast majority of feminine-primary social conventions center on facilitating this presumption of abundance for women. Pop culture, social media and a feminine-primary social narrative fosters an over-inflated SMV and an exaggerated sense of self-worth for women, but functionally it convinces women that they can perpetuate a condition of abundance with regard to their sexual viability almost indefinitely.
Even in a condition of committed monogamy that background sense of sexual abundance simmers in women’s subconscious. We laud women with the guts to pursue that abundance after divorce or even reward them with popularity and movie opportunities when they write books about pursuing it while married. Either that or we pat them on the back for their ability to continually move the goalposts and convince themselves and others that spinsterhood is a goal state they sought to achieve their entire lives.
In all of these instances, whether legitimate or not, there is an impression that women can perpetuate a condition of abundance for themselves – and often far past their true sexual market viability. One reason I draw the ire of many a Blue Pill male and women is because my breakdown of the predictable schedule women follow throughout their lives with regards to their SMV and their dualistic sexual strategy is that it directly confronts the doubt that they can perpetuate a condition of abundance in spite of their personal choices in life.
And that’s the crux of women’s self-affirming social and psychological conventions; to avoid any accountability for the fallout that may be caused by the choices Hypergamy has led them to make. Roissy came up with the maxim that the end goal of feminism is to maximally enable women’s sexuality while maximally restricting men’s – and of course the consolidation of that enabling of women’s sexual strategy must also account for absolving them of misgivings and mistakes made in enacting it.
Failsafes
In Betas in Waiting I explored how a majority of boys have, for several generations now, been conditioned to be serviceable providers for women once they enter a phase of life when they find themselves becoming less able to compete intrasexually. Anyone familiar with Preventive Medicine understands this (Epiphany Phase) period as the point during which a woman’s Hypergamous priorities shift from short term Alpha Fucks to long term Beta Bucks.
I also outlined the underlying plan involved in ensuring this strategy in This is now.
That was then. Now at 30 and (hopefully) with a learned and earned degree of merit, success, developed judgement, character and a reasonably well kept physique, a man finds himself in a position like no other – his options and agency to enjoy the attentions of women seem to suddenly be at an apex.
The planning women had at 19 when they told him to “wait for me at 30” now becomes more urgent as she becomes more viscerally aware of the Wall.
She knew this day would come when she was just entering into her peak SMV years.
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For men entertaining women embroiled in their Epiphany Phase inner conflicts, not only is this a very confusing phase for the uninitiated Beta, but it is also an equally precarious period with regard (once again) to the consequences of his life’s decisions with her. Most men find themselves players in women’s meta-sexual strategy at this time because they believe that their perseverance has finally paid off. All of that sacrifice and personal achievement has finally merited him the genuine interest of a “quality woman”.
For the men who never learn a Red Pill awareness what they fail to understand is that it’s at this point they’re are expected to abandon their own sexual strategy in order to complete that of the (now Epiphany Phase) woman they’re considering a pairing with. Whether they were literally asked to wait for a woman until she was 30, the effect is the same, they have waited their turn, they have waited to be of service, they have waited to fulfill a feminine primary sexual imperative.
Now I’ll ask you to draw your attention to the statistics in the picture I’ve included as today’s post image. These were sourced from this study. There are actually several more just like it, but what it illustrates is an example of how women’s subconscious will prepare failsafes in the event that the Alpha lover they hope to convert to a Beta provider doesn’t comply with her sexual strategy.
Whether he’s the one that got away, the office husband, or a gym partner, chances are he is the “Plan B” man you fantasize about running away with. Like an insurance policy, this man is the handpicked boyfriend or husband replacement you have on standby once “plan A” starts to break down on you. According to a survey conducted by OnePoll.com, an online market research company, half of women who are married or in relationships have a Plan B man on standby who is “ready and waiting” because of “unfinished business.”
It’s important to pick this apart from the get go here because, like most female written articles that describe unflattering facts about female nature, the narrative must be shifted to be the burden of men. You’ll notice the presumption here is that the ‘Plan A’ lover is always a woman’s preferred choice – thus pre-confirming women’s blamelessness from the outset – and that a ‘Plan B’ should only ever be considered if the ‘Plan A’ man somehow screws up in contenting a woman’s sexual strategy.
The entire article is founded on the principle of Dread – remember, the sort that when men use it are considered evil manipulators? However it should be noted that dread is always an element of any relationship, it’s just that since women’s imperatives are the socially correct ones today, only women can be held blameless in instituting it.
When there’s trouble in paradise, and eventually a break-up, women are left at the starting line again. This means there’s more ladies’ night, late-night rom-com marathons, and wine — lots of wine. However, to avoid playing the field and going through all the bases, women have taken a shortcut to get back to the finish line with a Plan B man. “The saying that ‘the grass isn’t always greener’ clearly isn’t deterring women of today. They understand that anything can happen and are ensuring they have a solid back-up plan should things go sour with their current man,” a spokesman for OnePoll.com told the Daily Mail.
As has been mentioned before the makings of an Alpha Widow generally begin in a woman’s Party Years; during the period during which she is at her SMV peak. And as was mentioned before, Hypergamy is always pragmatic. This Plan B insurance policy strategy is only further evidence of Hypergamy, but it is also pragmatic. Women’s hindbrains know that their SMV is a rapidly decaying asset, so yes that back up plan makes sense. What’s not so obvious in this study is that women also cling to the hope that the Plan B man with whom they consolidated long term security with might someday be replaced by the fantasy of an Alpha she’s widowed herself over.
I think the latter is not only a far more practical reasoning, but since it’s unflattering and exposing of the machinations of Hypergamy, the far more likely use of a ‘Plan B’ alternate.
You can read the rest of the article and pick up on the blatantly entitled male-qualification perspective and a bit more “you better not fuck things up” dread signaling, however, I think the last three stats are the most salient here. At least half of the men involved knew of the Plan B man, 1 in 5 was a friend of his, and 1 in 10 of the Plan B’s had already made an attempt to jump ladders to be intimate with her.
A couple of things make themselves apparent here: in a social order that is made of at least 80% Beta men women can get an ego boost in real time from the default dread they can inspire without really trying. And second, in generation Beta a default form of soft Beta cuckolding is not just known to them, but apparently it’s become normalized for them.
All of this really comes back to, once again, quelling the constant state of internal doubt that Hypergamy instills in women. The Plan B dynamic, and the normalization of it in a feminine centric social order, is yet another play for assurances of security in both the sexual and provisioning aspects of Hypergamy.
Now, so as not to leave you hanging here, I have to end this essay with a bit of actionable advice. I get criticized for outlining the problems very well, but leaving out what a man ought to do with this information.
As always, your first order of business is to be aware that this dynamic is in play. Understand that this Plan B insurance tactic is not just reserved for married men with dead bedrooms. You will likely see variations of it in your dealings with women while you’re single. Any man who’s sexed a girl who depends on a bevy of male orbiters to bolster her self-esteem knows the utility of them. In the next post I’ll be going into detail of how you can leverage the Betaness of most men to elevate your SMV.
Finally, if you are a married man experiencing this Plan B dynamic, you need to do some serious reassessing of your relationship and the status your wife holds you in. Are you one of the 50% of men who know who their wife’s Plan B is? Is he even a friend of yours?
What can you do to reinforce your Alpha dominance in this situation? Or maybe a better question is, is it worth your effort to do so? There will undoubtedly be the predictable comments about how marriage is never worth the effort, and I’ll acknowledge that here first, but are you a victim of endlessly rooting through garbage to reestablish an Alpha impression for your wife that she’s reserved for her Plan B alternate?
@Softek “That sounds like the girl I’m seeing.” That’s the part guys don’t like to hear, is that their girl might NOT be suitable for a pLTR. My buddy’s interpretation of pLTR is “you make them fall in love with you and then they’ll put up with it and you can get away with it” but that’s not how it’s supposed to be used. The point of the pLTR is to screen out girls who it would be a problem with, or to assuage the unfounded fears of a girl who could potentially be cool with it if you could… Read more »
@beaker game will help any guy attract some women. but will game solve or eliminate cultural/social issues asian dudes have in this society? nope. that’s a lot of internal shit. learning game can help you get on the road to fixing that stuff, because the Field will throw it all in your face, but game isn’t going to solve it. indian dudes, asian dudes, skinny dudes, short dudes, etc. can turn their disadvantages into advantages. here’s an example…women are LEGIT scared of men. especially bigger guys. this IN FACT inhibits them. it stops them from sleeping with a guy on… Read more »
@ Anonymous Reader
It’s good to have game and awareness, but that will not be enough.
Male Plan must be not to get married.
Furthermore it’s advisable for a man to always have Side-Chicks.
New times, therefore new actings !!
@YaReally
TL;DR: Rode the cock carousel, used a newfound “devotion” to God to lock down a Plan B she won’t
fuckgive starfish sex to until they’re married when she found she couldn’t keep the Alphas she fucked at the drop of a hat. Keeps Plan B waiting using God as a cock block while she continues to search for Alpha tingles and orbiter validation by putting bikini pics and such out there to get attention.short FR and question for Ya at the very end… Out at a very chill super expensive hotel lounge. about 10PM. No girls… LOL. About a dozen dudes scattered about. But it’s a cool space. Usually a bunch of 9.5 escorts trolling through… I order and open the guy next to me. Typical guy you see a lot of in these places… the Super Beta. He is late thirties, trim, 5k worth of glasses, suit, tie and shoes. Mandatory issue Patek Philippe, the older style, the thin simple small one. In other words a Wall Street grinder. We start to… Read more »
Ahhh one other thing… it was funny to hear snippets all night of the group all saying “do you know this guy (me)” and hearing “we just met!”…
@YaReally – that Gavin McInnes vid you linked. Yeah – that is the way I see it too. These ongoing culture changes around gender in the west really fuck-up women’s shit more than men’s. And the women get pissed (but are mostly in denial about the real reasons for their frustrations) and then tend to take that frustration out on the men around them (and then the men get pissed, and then some men “game” these circumstances). That’s pretty much it. But this has been going on for a long long time now and so we all have been born… Read more »
” but he is a reliable Plan B while she looks for something else online.”
and of course on Spring Break IRL…
@scray ya. you’ll be surprised at far you can go without anyone slapping you or doing anything. As I’ve found, you’re more likely to get physically attacked by friends of a target rather than the target herself. The woman not getting any attention is the most dangerous one to deal with, particularly if you’re doing well with your target. It’s the danger of working without a wing. The actual chick you’re engaging with will put up with all kinds of shit though (insults, innuendo, etc) so long as you keep it entertaining. @Rollo I could make a mint selling a… Read more »
Sun Wukong Yareally
“@YaReally
I wonder if that will be a route women take…there’s no men in their lives to lay down the law and rules, so maybe they’ll look to something like the Bible to fill that need and we’ll see a bunch of chicks go super-religious just because no one in their lives gave them rules to follow.”
The problem with modern Churchianity is at the end of the day no guy can out Alpha OR out Beta Jesus… Cuckstianity is built in.
@krauserpua “However, seeing as my best stuff is behind the Overkill paywall, you haven’t seen it.” Ya, I’m fully open to you having amazing material, it’s just not what I’m seeing when I google “krauserpua”. I’ve heard good shit about Daygame Mastery and I’ll probably grab a copy myself down the road when I stop loving the nightlife scene and decide to get back into daygame because I don’t care who’s teaching what, I’ll learn whatever I can from anyone. I’m basing my read of your shit entirely on the stuff you’ve put out to represent yourself and your brand/method… Read more »
@Sentient they chat (they are both Philippine it turns out) in a strange language Tagalog is kind of odd-sounding if you’re not familiar with it. Ahhh one other thing… it was funny to hear snippets all night of the group all saying “do you know this guy (me)” and hearing “we just met!”… I get this a lot when I meet new people out, talk for a bit, then drag other people in. “How long have you guys known each other?” “Just met tonight” “Whaaaaat?!” I figure it’s a good sign that I know how to build new friendships really… Read more »
“I haven’t gotten slapped yet. ”
ya. you’ll be surprised at far you can go without anyone slapping you or doing anything.”
worst a girl will do is remove your hand or caution you verbally about being handsy (which is often just a shit test LOL) or step back from you…
But Sun has a valid point, WK’s and cockblocks can intrude…
@Sun Wukong “search for Alpha tingles and orbiter validation by putting bikini pics and such out there to get attention.” wait so you’re saying there are bikini pics and we’re stuck looking at some shitty silhouette pic? Looks like she needs to read more red pill. @Sentient “I’ve come across gay guys in sets a few different times now and they are very problematic – usually these are the flamboyent drama queens looking to party. They have to be the center of attention and have no filters and can really fuck up your game. What are your thoughts on AMOG… Read more »
@Ya – Not giving up on MM, in fact I’ve been using more “magic” (my own kind) up front to DHV and and also push/pull. I was reading Juggler and that allowed me to recognize that I have be willing to be responsible for most of the early interactions. I was getting a little to “ping pongish”, saying stuff, waiting for a response. I’ve got to carry it and then start asking open ended questions and then telling them what I approve of or not. I’m also being more spontaneous and relaxed in the conversation. But don’t get me wrong… Read more »
YaReally to Krauser I don’t care about the politics of the whole scene at all, all I care about is what information will help guys get this shit handled efficiently and get them to their goals This pretty much sums up my entire approach to the androsphere. What’s more helpful, playing keyboard AMOG in some comments, or actually helping some married man like Andy get his life better? What’s more interesting, figuring out the subcomms in a Field Report, or going around yet again with some GURLZ SHULD BE LIKE MENZ aspie mgtow? What’s more useful to the life of… Read more »
@sun@sentient first of all, i hate to say it, but wave bye bye to your hopes of having a wing to rely on. i mean, when it happens let it into your life because it will be a golden age of getting pussy but you know….understand that it’s a special dynamic and thing out of my huge social circle, i know two dudes who a) know how to escalate and b) are aware enough of group dynamics to properly wing, and who also meet the other scrayrequisites of a great winging time: 1) high value 2) more or less at… Read more »
and the situ where that advice will start failing are the group sets etc. alone/ situs that MM was more or less made for.
just knowing how to escalate on a chick won’t be enough.
BUT you NEED TO KNOW how to do that very well too.
like if you can’t escalate in these easy situs with a chick and are too scared and hesitant, you’re just going to fall apart when you have several other bombs you have to be defusing and you have this charade you have to run ON TOP of the escalation
@YaReally, besides that “kiss me I’m Irish,” any other good opens?
Since I didn’t wear green today, what’s a good response for, “Why aren’t you wearing green today?”
@ YaReally That’s why Mystery’s goal was “5 for 5”, because the ideal skillset was being able to approach any type of girl, anywhere, in any situation, at any time, and calibrate to her vibe to seduce her. Is there any other way? Shy girls like me, party girls like me, girly girls like me, tomboys like me, HSE girls like me, hell, even lesbians like me…one was asking me if I was gonna be at a bar next week where she’s a waitress…most girls are bisexual, of course. I expect that Mystery experiences the same thing. And, of course,… Read more »
“Why aren’t you wearing green today?”
I’m Irish.
@kfg, that’s a good one. I’d update that to:
“I’m Irish, so why aren’t you wearing me yet?”
Re: Prof. Ludlow – He’s playing soft sugar daddy game like I used to. He’s “mentoring” and cajoling them into sex. Just imagine an alpha dog agreeing to sleep in the same bed with a young hottie but not have sex? Lol. Last time a women tried that with me, like a zillion years ago, I was like, “Get the fuck out of here.” Also with my babies I was overt that my interest was sex and if they had any problem with that I blicked. I mentored them and spoiled them a bit and would maybe pay a cell… Read more »
Newlyaloof
“Since I didn’t wear green today, what’s a good response for, “Why aren’t you wearing green today?””
You: Not horny… yet… but maybe – maybe – you can change my mind…
@YaReally: “You will be very disappointed when women don’t “man up”. Part of TRP is understanding that women aren’t designed TO “get their shit together”. They’re designed to fall apart constantly to test the men around them for a guy who will MAKE them get their shit together. Women are not men, the only time they’ll get their shit together is when it MASSIVELY benefits them directly (solipsism) and even THEN they’ll try to avoid it if they can and find an easier path (why do all the hard work of improving yourself so that a high-value guy stays with… Read more »
@scribblerg “I was reading Juggler and that allowed me to recognize that I have be willing to be responsible for most of the early interactions. I was getting a little to “ping pongish”, saying stuff, waiting for a response. I’ve got to carry it and then start asking open ended questions and then telling them what I approve of or not.” Yup exactly. We call it the “90/10 rule”. At the start of an interaction expect to do 90% of the talking for a bit, and eventually it’ll get to where you’re doing 50/50 but right when you first open… Read more »
@Scribb “Solo as my wing is a complete drag on me. Need to find a new local wing – will work on tonight.”
Went out last Friday to a new bar by myself. Had to deal with the social programming that makes us feel awkward being by ourselves out when I first got there. Remembered the analogy of the oak tree. Helped to keep me from fidgeting. Felt like a boss sitting there after that with my one leg up on another chair like I owned the place.
So, let the oak be your wing.
Fuck guys, stop writing. I can’t watch basketball, read comments AND work all at the same time.
Me to girl wearing pimped out all green tonight: “How come you’re not wearing green … panties?” lol
YaReally Sentient HABD Scray Wala Scribblerg Forge et al Been offline for a few days, catching up on some replies from the last thread plus thanks for the thoughts and advice. March Going Out Blitz is now over – I’ll be out there burning up the clubs again in April (until then I’ll be focussing on my brony fetish, which took a back seat while I was talking to real girls). Sentient – Point taken re not necessarily needing wings. I basically only have them for Fri & Sat anyway plus the odd weekday. They’re not necessary at all (except… Read more »
@YaReally
Ok cool, I just sent you a free login to that account. Let me know if it didn’t come through and I’ll try again.
Following up this bit: “I don’t send guys into nightclubs because it’s the most efficient easiest way to get laid…it’s most decidedly NOT lol But getting laid isn’t going to fix a lot of guys (even though they don’t realize that when they aren’t getting laid). What’s going to fix them is giving them the tools to own their environment and handle themselves in any social situation and have that competance…the girls are secondary to the skillset. ” To quote Tyler: “The thing I love about game is this… You get into it thinking that women are your problem. Most… Read more »
Wild Person
These ongoing culture changes around gender in the west really fuck-up women’s shit more than men’s.
Isn’t gender merely a social construct?
Still deeply invested in the ought while resisting even looking at the is.
@ Anonymous Reader – ” Plan B is out there somewhere. Maybe only as a lover on the side, maybe more. Because women swim in their biological sea of emotions, it’s dicey to let them roam around the world unescorted. And like Blax, I don’t see that going back in the bottle any time. So it is what it is. A man in an LTR or especially a marriage needs to be aware of whom his wifey spends her time with. Not in a jealous, intense mate-guarding way, but just awareness. And he needs Game…” Without a single doubt. It’s… Read more »
@krauser Login worked thx, I’ll check it out and drop some comments. Good to see there’s lots of content compared to the older stuff on YouTube lol Do you find the social media/smartphone culture affecting your flake rate over there? It looks like the cell phone culture might be different, like I’d imagine tourist girls probably aren’t using their phone as much to avoid risking long distance/data charges. Just wondering how the number closes tend to hold up. There’s always flaking with numbers obviously but my gut instinct is that a girl shopping on a tourist trip is less likely… Read more »
@ya “Ya that’s why I’m not saying like DON’T go on escalation rampages to learn how to do that, just understand that like, that’s not all there is to game” yeah for sure lol it’s more like a pre-req….like the key you use to even open the toolbox to make the tools relevant — at least that’s how it was for me… no better night for an escalation rampage than St Patty’s IMHO…have the built-in excuse of alcohol everywhere! @culum “Heh thanks, yes if I hammer it in enough times and go out enough even I can do some escalation,… Read more »
@ YaReally
When you shivved Liz, what was the response you expected from her?
I’ve flirted very aggressively with Liz in the past and have never gotten a shit test from her, though she flirted aggressively back. Liz will sometimes mention her husband or my wife, which I expect. It’s poosyble that I missed Liz giving me a shit test, lol. Liz & I go back to the J4G blog a couple of years ago. I’ve learned a lot since then about women.
Fuck guys, stop writing. I can’t watch basketball, read comments AND work all at the same time.
DVR the basketball…
@ Rollo –
Yeah, Emily serves a purpose here. Flies serve a purpose also.
And I’d like to give her some pushback alright. Right off the edge of a very high precipice.
But I won’t break into a fit while she’s here. I’m disinvesting.
He he heee.
@scray – thanks. No, past doesn’t bother me at all. Couldn’t give a shit about her sexual history (even if it is funny to – in my mind – compare the public personas of the guys she’s hooked up with, with how they are in bed). The non-judgmental persona isn’t fake.
It’s more that I’d rather improve my skills and get my sexual fix with no social consequences outside our circle when I’m in the big city – don’t want to manage the social circle consequences in the small town (I’m sure it’s possible..just not for me right now).
@Scray Solid post. Those are the nuances guys new to this need to hear along with the “just whip your dick out” stuff because they haven’t gone out enough and been in these situations to just KNOW that “ok I have to calibrate a bit here and there” lol Trying to FUCK the girl is very different than just trying to “have a chat”, like it shifts your RAS onto what’s going to get in the way of actually putting your P in her V. Guys working on their game should do a challenge where they aren’t allowed to take… Read more »
@culum
“No, past doesn’t bother me at all. Couldn’t give a shit about her sexual history (even if it is funny to – in my mind – compare the public personas of the guys she’s hooked up with, with how they are in bed). ”
this is good too. it really can destroy once and for all the whole ‘chad thundercock’ image.
but yeah i get it. don’t want to push it right now. but hey it seems like that girl really likes you at least
@ya ” Way better to be the guy she thinks won’t judge her and hear her REAL n-count and whether she uses condoms and what she thinks about whatever” yeah i consider her volunteering this stuff on her own to be very positive like it says something good about her as a person — like she has no strategic interest in telling you, it can only hurt her chances according to society and everything else it also says a lot about her interest level (which sucks cause to me it’s almost like the L-word) but b/c most guys don’t know… Read more »
@All
PSA: anybody looking for a very secure, anonymous way to communicate with others in TRP community would do well to check out Proton Mail. It’s encrypted end to end with no access possible by the service provider, run by CERN so it’s under Swiss privacy laws, and open source.
Stay safe, fellas.
” I’d imagine tourist girls probably aren’t using their phone as much to avoid risking long distance/data charges.”
Outside the US they all use Whatsapp… even growing here.
YaReally quotes Tyler: You get into it thinking that women are your problem. Not just pickup. Pretty much the entire androsphere, one way or another, based on my last 5+ years of participation and observation. Oh, and White Knights wandering in out, wearing tweeds with a pipe, to AMOG all the men who just aren’t getting with the program (“the program” being whatever was extant when White Knight man was 20…usually a time 20, 30, 40 years in the past). Most guys will get STUCK at that, because they never actually get girls (And since they never get girls they… Read more »
@scribblerg great job on putting in the work…props on that…but i just want to point out one thing… “Subcomms are off the hook as an HB5, late 30s came up to me in bar after a public speaking event I ran last night (I hosted/mced a panel), and as I placed my hand on her upper arm she just reflexively placed her hand on her chest as we were speaking and got in real close. Zero effort. She’s not worth fucking in my book so I moved on” ‘not worth it’ (for zero effort)…why? (serious question…bc unless she pinged you… Read more »
Sentient
Outside the US they all use Whatsapp… even growing here.
Thanks. In a couple of months I’ll be out of North America, and the whole wireless world has changed a lot in the last few years. Trying to decide between prepaid handset, taking my handset with me (checking overseas rates from provider), etc. “No handset” not an option. How the heck did we manage to travel out of country in the 90’s without an electronic tether…
“Guys working on their game should do a challenge where they aren’t allowed to take phone numbers…like it’s pull her to a sex location to fuck from that set or go home dick in hand. That kind of thing realigns your RAS to what’s really important. It’s VERY EASY to fall into the habit of just getting soft number closes and having fun pleasant chats that feel REALLY fuckin good but don’t get your dick wet.” Yes this is 90% of my game. SNL or nothing. And the thing is if it is nothing 75% of the time or so… Read more »
@hank holiday
had an idea for you
re meeting girls you like…
i don’t know if it applies where you are, but many ethnic groups have ‘associations’ in various cities/towns. you could maybe find one/more for the group/girls that you like and get involved with them…and increase your potential numbers that way…sort of social circle game meets cold approach…lol…
good luck!
@softek at 9:41am you sound like you have pretty good self analysis, so not much that i can add, except that your being ‘plugged in’ IS still messing you up… two points… It is hard for me to reconcile that it’s so secretive, and dealing with her insecurities about who I’m talking to online or on the phone, and having to stay secretive all the time and make sure my stuff is kept private. first, you should NOT be secretive about this…bc that’s FI pushing on you and BP sticking point…(one of the points you’re plug into the matrix) so,… Read more »
@YaReally @Softek I don’t KNOW what your girl is like, and a lot of girls will yap about how unhappy they are when really they’re happy and it’s all just shit-tests to see if you hold your frame etc (look what they do not what they say), but there may come a point where you two have to talk about this shit and she may not be the type of girl that you can go fuck around on. i know what you are saying (and i agree completely…lol), but i see this as a calibration issue more than a deal… Read more »
@Sentient So question for Ya… I’ve come across gay guys in sets a few different times now and they are very problematic – usually these are the flamboyent drama queens looking to party. They have to be the center of attention and have no filters and can really fuck up your game. What are your thoughts on AMOG tips for the super queer? LOL… It’s rough because they are flirting with you, feeling up the girls, being loud and you can’t tool them like they were typical bro’s because they have the whole “you hate gays” card ready at the… Read more »
@ya “Once you start getting girls…. you realize it isn’t the fucking problem. It’s that you’re FUCKED UP.” yeah, but i embrace it. fucked up relative to who? who i am trying to impress? i’m not running for the office of jesus christ so who gives a shit. the process is cool because you discover how YOU are fucked up. not the stupid shit you’ve repeated because society has said so. but the weird rules and norms lurking inside of yourself. getting the things you thought would fix your problem is the best thing ever because when the ‘problem’ doesn’t… Read more »
HABD – great notes. You are right of course… Reframe and A&A… I’ll try and keep this in mind.
Thanks
@ scray ” so instead of me trying to come toward the world and be more like everyone else or what everyone else wants me to be, fuck it….i’ll just find people who can meet my needs and mesh with me. everyone else can fuck off. with love of course. so if i had a weird thing where i was insecure if a girl went 50 mins without texting me back or some other weird thing…that feeling would probably just exist always. the difference is that i just would leave/next/move on from chicks who broke that rule.” Yo, the importance… Read more »
@ Sentient
Reframe, A&A works with men just like girls…been using it over on Dalrock’s blog
@ Sentient
Yes this is 90% of my game. SNL or nothing. And the thing is if it is nothing 75% of the time or so the girl is TRYING to give you a number at the end.
Trying as opposed to hinting? What if a girl asks if you’re planning on returning to a venue next week? Is that a hint to get her no.? Maybe say, “I’ll text you when I’ve made a decision.”
So, let me get this straight, you guys run into loud, drama driven gay guys while you’re trying to mack chicks?
Lmfao, that’s hilarious.
Damn. So you have to figure out how to shut down the flaming dude so that you can get at the chicks….. Oh My Goodness.
Lol. I have to ruminate on that one for a spell.
Learn some new stuff every day.
@YaReally Culum I would highly recommend Krauser’s DayGame Mastery. For me, it was a total game changer. My text game improved dramatically, he’s got a section in there about Facebook, he breaks down the whole interaction in a way anyone interested in game can manage. In fact, a lot of the text game I post here is a direct result of practicing the structures and ideas from DayGame Mastery. Also, to YaReally’s point, I game different girls different ways. In some cases I go the full, intense Mickey Rourke in 9 1/2 Weeks, in other cases the laconic jerk. A… Read more »
Cosmetics, hair dye, most weight loss programs, tummy tucks, Botox, face lifts, pantyhose, breast implants, skin creams, yoga pants, face peals, etc., etc., etc. are all articles of urban camouflage employed by women feign higher SMV than actual. Millions of ugly sexually unattractive women are hiding behind these disguises. This urban camouflage is fraud disguising low SMV in order to promote unnatural supremacy of hypergamy while men are shamed for not being sexually attracted to unhealthy obese women, old women, ugly women…
Someone argued that socializing with men is more important than socializing with women. My experience is that socializing with women necessarily will force you to socialize with men, too. Of course, men behave differently in mixed company than when women are excluded.
you: nah…lol
dude: you hate gays…
you: if you were gay I’d hafta killya
dude: wtf!!!!
you: just messin witcha, lol [AMOG complete]
@Sentient
SNL really seems to be the rule. So far I’ve gotten a 100% flake rate on numbers from chicks HB6+. Like I pull numbers constantly but there are zero answers to a call or text. They’re not giving fakes, they’re just not answering. At all. They have too many options, especially in a town where men outnumber women.
I realize that if I’m going to get laid in Dallas, I absolutely positively must live right on top of a good venue and get a SNL. Otherwise getting laid from a number pull is out completely so far.
Gay dude: You HATE Gays!!!! Me: Wut? *yawn* Gay dude: OMG!!! You’re so mean, but you’re cute!!! HaHa HaHHHaaaaa!!! Me: Yo quiet the fuck down son. I don’t hate gay guys, but in your case I’m beginning to make an exception. Gay dude: Look at meeee!!!! Look at meeeee!!!! Me: Okay. I can see that we are going to have to fuck in order for there to be peace. I warn you, I’m not gay so this won’t be pleasant at all for you…. I need you to sign a waiver before we begin. ….then see what he can come… Read more »
@sun
“SNL really seems to be the rule. So far I’ve gotten a 100% flake rate on numbers from chicks HB6+. Like I pull numbers constantly but there are zero answers to a call or text. ”
lol it’s not exactly the rule.
my first lays came from day 2’s from -strong- numbers.
http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/a8/a8940f6aaf9d932f13afa4fff4bb29719706633ad321ed6cfdba1e94986268ad.jpg
Lol…. I crack me up.
Okay. I’m done.
Sun “@sun “SNL really seems to be the rule. So far I’ve gotten a 100% flake rate on numbers from chicks HB6+. Like I pull numbers constantly but there are zero answers to a call or text. ” lol it’s not exactly the rule. my first lays came from day 2’s from -strong- numbers.” Well figuring out your approach is a good start, so go forth and try and pull a snl. Your car can be your friend, park in a quiet spot close by, if you have no other options, pull to it to chill listen to music blah… Read more »
Blax “So, let me get this straight, you guys run into loud, drama driven gay guys while you’re trying to mack chicks?” Yeah… chicks love rolling around with flaming gay dudes… often the guys will pay for them, have drugs – or both, they love to dance, socialize in all the hot spots, amp up mad drama and provide lots of validation and physical stimulation. They will often make out for a bit, play with her tits, grind etc. girls are getting all good feelz and they don’t have to feel slutty cause gay… It’s always flaming gay though, never… Read more »
@ Sentient That’s amazing. I have a cousin who ” flaming gay “. He’s always surrounded by chicks too. Always has been forever. You’re right, the things he does to them…sheeesh. I’m good with flamers until they get all loud and stuff. And they can have a certain brand of asshole too. He he heee….Oh shit, I made a funny inadvertently. I’m comfortable telling them to stfu because I already know they don’t give a fuck. Yeah, I’d try to soft friend them to get at the chicks. Lol, but the last resort is to threaten to fuck ’em. …but… Read more »
@scray “so if i had a weird thing where i was insecure if a girl went 50 mins without texting me back or some other weird thing…that feeling would probably just exist always. the difference is that i just would leave/next/move on from chicks who broke that rule.” I’d say the key is to understand whether that 50 min was an ANNOYANCE to you, like you just don’t appreciate rudeness, or whether it was hitting an insecurity of “maybe I’m not good enough” that you should probably deal with in the long-run. Like there’s a lot of shit I won’t… Read more »
“you can’t predict the gay guy or what drama he’s going to bring out lol”
This is the interesting thing, they have such solid frames, they take over the area… some lessons in that somewhere…
and handsy fuckers too! LOL
Blax “I’m comfortable telling them to stfu because I already know they don’t give a fuck.” Oh I’m comfortable with that, believe me, or worse… but it’s counterproductive… the girls are not hung up on stereotypes or labels or judgement etc… just good feelz over bad feelz… if you come off as butt hurt or judgy at all they will move on and you are out of luck… Guess you could still offer to fuck the dude, hey I’m not judging ya… Actually one of my go to bits is to say to girls “don’t worry I’m gay” blah blah… Read more »
@ Sentient “… but the real issue is these guys(?) hog the spotlight and are dramatic fuckers…” Ahh, the drama. Chick magnets. ” Guess you could still offer to fuck the dude, hey I’m not judging ya… ” Lol. It was supposed to be a threat. Hmmm… Maybe I didn’t think that through…. And I wouldn’t tell the gay dude stfu in a mean way. That would make me appear to have a problem with him that would automatically be construed as ” gay hate “, which wouldn’t be the actual case. I tell people to stfu every day. It’s… Read more »
Long distance off & on FB (single career woman, 37, 7.5-8.5 if she’s dolled-up, met on a business trip after my divorce) staying solo in a city 2 hrs away- tomorrow only. Asks me for the airport ride to her hotel- then we can hang out Fri night in the city (great wine & dine on her company card- bonus). High probability of no-regret fun sex… So, no brainer to this point (other than the annoyance of driving a couple of hours). Problem is she gets clingy for like a month or two after… Texts at weird hours… Come see… Read more »
@ Roy Hobbs
Seems as if your spidey senses are already tingling.
She’s looking for more than casual sex. Listen to your gut.
If you’re not into the problem that may arise from some supposedly no regret sex, then pass.
No harm, no foul.
@Culum “There is a path where it can be managed, I’m just reluctant to step into the potential mess in a small social circle in a small town where I spend a big chunk of the year. ” as long as you are not using that idea as a buffer, it’s all good… +1 on Scray’s call = she really likes you…lol… and i will point out that your subcomms must be totally ‘on’ wrt ‘nonjudgmental’…bc girls rarely are that open/honest… unless she pings you as gay…and she needs a new bff…lol… maybe that armor polish IS looking better…lol… should… Read more »
@YaReally Not saying you suck or anything Eh, let’s face it: I do. I’ve been striking out with only tiny little pieces of successes (hey look I spent 10 minutes of a 90 minute match 1 point ahead! Woo!) but 100% blow outs for almost a year now. I suck really fucking bad. I am absolutely and completely horrible at pick up. I’ll give your ideas a shot. How’s it looking for relocating? Any chance of it anytime soon? To another city even, ideally somewhere near a college campus or college crowd nightlife district? Work has decided to move me… Read more »
Asdgamer
Trying vs hinting… trying as in giving me their card or writing it down and forcing it in my hand or even writing it on me.
Makes sense. Contrast. I don’t want it so they Chase.
Sun
Ok you suck. Good honest place to be in. Now get better. No excuses.
Sun
Like you already have a choice to make. Do you want to get better? Yareally just asked for info on your number closes. What Will you do?
What Wil you choose?
@Blaximus Gay dude: You HATE Gays!!!! Me: Wut? *yawn* Gay dude: OMG!!! You’re so mean, but you’re cute!!! HaHa HaHHHaaaaa!!! Me: Yo quiet the fuck down son. I don’t hate gay guys, but in your case I’m beginning to make an exception. Gay dude: Look at meeee!!!! Look at meeeee!!!! Me: Okay. I can see that we are going to have to fuck in order for there to be peace. I warn you, I’m not gay so this won’t be pleasant at all for you…. I need you to sign a waiver before we begin. ….then see what he can… Read more »
@Sentient
This is the interesting thing, they have such solid frames, they take over the area… some lessons in that somewhere…
almost forgot…when you tool these guys (in a non-butthurt way), your social proof goes way UP…lol
Thanks Blax Yea- spidey-sense is going off… The coin toss here: Pros: great food & wine, different town for the night, and some great sex til the tank runs on fumes… Then she goes home! Cons known: significant likelihood of pestery annoyances for the next few weeks (I could be wrong here & she really just wants a fun night; but history suggests otherwise), if that’s it, I can deal- – on balance- pros winning so far It’s the unknown Cons I fear… What bizarro spin on the previous clinger version will I get? Kids would kill her career, so… Read more »
@HABD – Interesting feedback. Fyi, it was not socially smart for me to push any farther in the business setting I was in with the HB8 and I was also out of time. I don’t think the FI stopped me – trying to objective, not defensive. I was looking for IOIs and was not getting them yet but she was warming to me. The other comment is interesting about the HB5. Let me be clear. I’ve gotten 1-2 blowjobs from HB5s and I think I fucked maybe 2-3 in my life. I was always drunk out of my gourd and… Read more »
@Roy – The block feature doesn’t work on your phone/text/email? Make sure you tell her about other women while eating dinner. Make her know she’s got competition and she’ll go porn star on your ass or leave in a huff. But whatever you do, please stop with this fucking “Spidey sense” shit. She’s trying to lock you down, you are wriggling out of her grasp. Anytime you have an older woman that’s going to be the game. Focus on spiking her attraction, get her worked up and gagging for it before you fuck her. Make her your little sex slave… Read more »
@Sun
@YaReally
Not saying you suck or anything
Eh, let’s face it: I do. I’ve been striking out with only tiny little pieces of successes (hey look I spent 10 minutes of a 90 minute match 1 point ahead! Woo!) but 100% blow outs for almost a year now. I suck really fucking bad. I am absolutely and completely horrible at pick up.
that’s totally AWESOME…you have SO much UPSIDE potential…lol…there is likely only one or two little changes you can/have to make to have a breakthrough with huge gains…
good luck!
@Culum on social circle game. I do this. Yah it can get messy. But you’re blue pill by projecting that you’ll be an outcast if you break up. First realize that girls are not delicate flowers you have to tip toe around. When I’ve hesitated in social circle approaches I’ve lost out to some beta provider. Just be discrete. Don’t plan activities together with the group. Game your target as per normal. Then number close and set up a day 1 as per normal. Don’t let her shit test you with “what will the others think??” Shut that down with… Read more »
@scrib
Sold!
Thanks for the perspective pointers. I’ll put up an FR if anything worthwhile happens.
@kfg – thank-you for the Alan Watts link for the audio book – “the book on the taboo against knowing who you are”. I’m into chapter 3 and I can finally see now – this guy is a mastermind. I read some Alan Watts when I was alot younger and though I was intrigued at the time, I can see now I didn’t really understand Watts back then. This man/woman thing I have been intensely interested in lately, a subject that seems to refuse to resolve (though it seems it should), maybe has finally primed me to finally accept what… Read more »
Trick for a decent marriage is two-fold:
– Always marry a woman 1 or 2 pts under your own SMV, far higher chance she will adore you.
– Try to choose a wife that has been properly brought up by her father/other male father figures to realize that entitlement does not exist; you get what you work for:what you give; and the world does not turn around your pretty little head.
BluePillProfessor, a cultural shift claiming men who refuse to permit open cuckholdery in their relationship with women are “abusers” is not that far off, as you say. Feminists and their White Knight horsemen were able to create the cultural shift (and thus insert the specific language into public policy) that “withholding financial support” during a marriage (or post separation) was “abuse”. Most beta blues have no idea what that really means. It was a way to basically criminalize (in Family Court terms) any man who for whatever reason (typically legit) stopped paying for a woman’s old college debt, or a… Read more »
@Roy Hobbs Kids would kill her career, so no test coming there… I can’t figure out where she’ll strike & I don’t want it to be a sucker punch. don’t under estimate the power of her hindbrain…’oooopsies’ aren’t usually in a girl’s conscious decision planning…AND she’s right in that ‘use it or lose it forever’ age bracket… if you do decide to pursue, you can avoid the post-bang attention seeking by good pre-planning and good after-care…and wrap it up…with proper baby batter management after the fact… the key is LEADING her where you want her to go… pre-planning – beat… Read more »
@YaReally. Thanks mate. Even if we end up disagreeing on the merits of Overkill, I know your feedback will be thoughtful and perceptive. As to your question on flakes, I think things are different in Europe. Smartphone addiction doesn’t appear to be a problem for Euro daygame. Many girls don’t actually have a smartphone, or Facebook, or Instagram account – though this is partly due to the girls I filter for and I’d imagine girls who like nightclubs are more likely to like smartphones and status-displays. Overkill was all Croatian girls in Zagreb, except for one Swiss tourist. I was… Read more »
@YaReally Basically, taking a number in Europe is more reliable than the US. Overkill specfically targets numbers on the streets rather than idates / bouncebacks. In 2015 I did a lot of fast bouncebacks and found the overall lay rate was no higher but there was far more risk of wasting time on a girl who ultimately didn’t put out. Overkill brings the big filter to the point of taking number, rather than, say, pulling the trigger. I write about this in terms of the “love bubble” and “bubble bursting”. In simple terms, when she’s with you she’s in the… Read more »
@scribblerg re hb8 in business setting…good call = don’t shit where you eat…as long as you have a good non-buffer reason to avoid gaming, i won’t push you…lol…(bc then it’s not the FI in play…) re the hb5…i understand about mislabeling girls’ smv…lol… it’s always difficult to give advice on rating girls over the interwebs bc men have different tastes, etc…but i always think about the ratings as a rating system personal to the man bc that’s the only important detail in play…wrt game development anyway… assume a spectrum of nb1-4 = no bang…to ideal girl = hb10…IF you would… Read more »
Micro FR. Being married I only flirt them up for validation and to keep some low level dread going if I need it. Anyhow, 30 something, wall range HB6-7 in the office trying to sell me some goods. Second time meeting her. I draw her out a bit after we get through the product talk and we chat about the weekend etc. Have her laughing, blushing a bit. I am good at story telling so take her on a small journey. My story telling is usually animated and fun, I certainly had her giggling freely, she was not forcing it… Read more »
@Agent P – that’s a good FR. The more I keep practicing this the more I see that’s the stuff to focus on to make a difference (you don’t even mention what you talked about and the content of your speech is probably irrelevant).
@ya “I’d say the key is to understand whether that 50 min was an ANNOYANCE to you, like you just don’t appreciate rudeness, or whether it was hitting an insecurity of “maybe I’m not good enough” ” yeah this is why i was talking about the shit society tells you vs the shit you discover about yourself the reaction says it all IMO like if it’s a ‘well she can fuck off’ sort of thing vs ‘omg i need to CONVINCE her to SEE IT MYYY WAAAAY’ like, i don’t care what kind of weird shit i’m into or enjoy… Read more »
Agent P “had her licking her lips a few times by the end, a little bit of blushing. I felt it was a shade premature to go in for KINO, it just wasn’t quite there yet.” nah it was there… you just choked. Understandable, this was a vendor to your company after all. But the signs were there. If you are around 16 inches or less from her, and she is still there, and you are still looking at each other, get hands upon her. Here you had a good excuse for doing a “birthday hug”… Just stuff to keep… Read more »