Non-Exclusive Exclusives
I got a link back this week from another backwater blogger who was critical of my, or really a Red Pill, take on an abundance vs. scarcity mentality. I haven’t really felt a need to review Plate Theory for a while now, but ever since Holistic Game’s coffee house protests went down it seems that picking and pulling various bits from my Plate Theory series is some novelty.
I’ve been writing in the manosphere for so long now that the same predictable straw men arguments and out of context quotes have become de rigueur now. Any objective observation of women’s sexual strategy by a man is always synonymous with misogyny.
What I’ve always found entertaining about Blue Pill critics of Plate Theory is that the concept of non-exclusivity always borders on the criminal when a man suggests men ought to pursue a non-exclusive dating (and sex), yet we hold women up as empowered, prudent and/or exemplary of bucking the repression of an imaginary patriarchy when they suggest the same.
Of course the quick retort to this is that women are ‘slut shamed’ for being non-exclusive, but this is simply an old, convenient, sidestep to shame men while distracting from women’s practical sexual strategy.
As Open Hypergamy becomes more embraced among women the usefulness of drawing attention to ‘slut shaming’ actually becomes a hinderance to justifying women’s Hypergamous priorities (AFBB). When a high profile woman like Sheryl Sandberg suggests,…
“When looking for a life partner, my advice to women is date all of them: the bad boys, the cool boys, the commitment-phobic boys, the crazy boys. But do not marry them. The things that make the bad boys sexy do not make them good husbands. When it comes time to settle down, find someone who wants an equal partner. Someone who thinks women should be smart, opinionated and ambitious. Someone who values fairness and expects or, even better, wants to do his share in the home. These men exist and, trust me, over time, nothing is sexier.”
Sandberg’s epitaph here is every bit as “objectifying” as anything you’ll find in the ‘sphere, but the difference is we are expected to find her advice for assuming a state of sexual abundance practical as well as refreshingly progressive. I’ve stated this before, but it bears repeating that as women more proudly, openly, embrace the uglier aspects of Hypergamy it will be women who will prove the validity of Red Pill awareness far better than men could. Sample from the largest available pool of prospective sexual experience (Alpha Fucks) and presume that an ‘equal partner’ (Beta Bucks) provisioner will make himself readily available to you when can no longer reliably attract the men who represent your sexual priorities.
I covered this in Plate Theory V: Lady’s Game; the natural extension of women’s sexual strategy is, at least practically, best served from a presumption of abundance. And as such we also find that the vast majority of feminine-primary social conventions center on facilitating this presumption of abundance for women. Pop culture, social media and a feminine-primary social narrative fosters an over-inflated SMV and an exaggerated sense of self-worth for women, but functionally it convinces women that they can perpetuate a condition of abundance with regard to their sexual viability almost indefinitely.
Even in a condition of committed monogamy that background sense of sexual abundance simmers in women’s subconscious. We laud women with the guts to pursue that abundance after divorce or even reward them with popularity and movie opportunities when they write books about pursuing it while married. Either that or we pat them on the back for their ability to continually move the goalposts and convince themselves and others that spinsterhood is a goal state they sought to achieve their entire lives.
In all of these instances, whether legitimate or not, there is an impression that women can perpetuate a condition of abundance for themselves – and often far past their true sexual market viability. One reason I draw the ire of many a Blue Pill male and women is because my breakdown of the predictable schedule women follow throughout their lives with regards to their SMV and their dualistic sexual strategy is that it directly confronts the doubt that they can perpetuate a condition of abundance in spite of their personal choices in life.
And that’s the crux of women’s self-affirming social and psychological conventions; to avoid any accountability for the fallout that may be caused by the choices Hypergamy has led them to make. Roissy came up with the maxim that the end goal of feminism is to maximally enable women’s sexuality while maximally restricting men’s – and of course the consolidation of that enabling of women’s sexual strategy must also account for absolving them of misgivings and mistakes made in enacting it.
Failsafes
In Betas in Waiting I explored how a majority of boys have, for several generations now, been conditioned to be serviceable providers for women once they enter a phase of life when they find themselves becoming less able to compete intrasexually. Anyone familiar with Preventive Medicine understands this (Epiphany Phase) period as the point during which a woman’s Hypergamous priorities shift from short term Alpha Fucks to long term Beta Bucks.
I also outlined the underlying plan involved in ensuring this strategy in This is now.
That was then. Now at 30 and (hopefully) with a learned and earned degree of merit, success, developed judgement, character and a reasonably well kept physique, a man finds himself in a position like no other – his options and agency to enjoy the attentions of women seem to suddenly be at an apex.
The planning women had at 19 when they told him to “wait for me at 30” now becomes more urgent as she becomes more viscerally aware of the Wall.
She knew this day would come when she was just entering into her peak SMV years.
[…]
For men entertaining women embroiled in their Epiphany Phase inner conflicts, not only is this a very confusing phase for the uninitiated Beta, but it is also an equally precarious period with regard (once again) to the consequences of his life’s decisions with her. Most men find themselves players in women’s meta-sexual strategy at this time because they believe that their perseverance has finally paid off. All of that sacrifice and personal achievement has finally merited him the genuine interest of a “quality woman”.
For the men who never learn a Red Pill awareness what they fail to understand is that it’s at this point they’re are expected to abandon their own sexual strategy in order to complete that of the (now Epiphany Phase) woman they’re considering a pairing with. Whether they were literally asked to wait for a woman until she was 30, the effect is the same, they have waited their turn, they have waited to be of service, they have waited to fulfill a feminine primary sexual imperative.
Now I’ll ask you to draw your attention to the statistics in the picture I’ve included as today’s post image. These were sourced from this study. There are actually several more just like it, but what it illustrates is an example of how women’s subconscious will prepare failsafes in the event that the Alpha lover they hope to convert to a Beta provider doesn’t comply with her sexual strategy.
Whether he’s the one that got away, the office husband, or a gym partner, chances are he is the “Plan B” man you fantasize about running away with. Like an insurance policy, this man is the handpicked boyfriend or husband replacement you have on standby once “plan A” starts to break down on you. According to a survey conducted by OnePoll.com, an online market research company, half of women who are married or in relationships have a Plan B man on standby who is “ready and waiting” because of “unfinished business.”
It’s important to pick this apart from the get go here because, like most female written articles that describe unflattering facts about female nature, the narrative must be shifted to be the burden of men. You’ll notice the presumption here is that the ‘Plan A’ lover is always a woman’s preferred choice – thus pre-confirming women’s blamelessness from the outset – and that a ‘Plan B’ should only ever be considered if the ‘Plan A’ man somehow screws up in contenting a woman’s sexual strategy.
The entire article is founded on the principle of Dread – remember, the sort that when men use it are considered evil manipulators? However it should be noted that dread is always an element of any relationship, it’s just that since women’s imperatives are the socially correct ones today, only women can be held blameless in instituting it.
When there’s trouble in paradise, and eventually a break-up, women are left at the starting line again. This means there’s more ladies’ night, late-night rom-com marathons, and wine — lots of wine. However, to avoid playing the field and going through all the bases, women have taken a shortcut to get back to the finish line with a Plan B man. “The saying that ‘the grass isn’t always greener’ clearly isn’t deterring women of today. They understand that anything can happen and are ensuring they have a solid back-up plan should things go sour with their current man,” a spokesman for OnePoll.com told the Daily Mail.
As has been mentioned before the makings of an Alpha Widow generally begin in a woman’s Party Years; during the period during which she is at her SMV peak. And as was mentioned before, Hypergamy is always pragmatic. This Plan B insurance policy strategy is only further evidence of Hypergamy, but it is also pragmatic. Women’s hindbrains know that their SMV is a rapidly decaying asset, so yes that back up plan makes sense. What’s not so obvious in this study is that women also cling to the hope that the Plan B man with whom they consolidated long term security with might someday be replaced by the fantasy of an Alpha she’s widowed herself over.
I think the latter is not only a far more practical reasoning, but since it’s unflattering and exposing of the machinations of Hypergamy, the far more likely use of a ‘Plan B’ alternate.
You can read the rest of the article and pick up on the blatantly entitled male-qualification perspective and a bit more “you better not fuck things up” dread signaling, however, I think the last three stats are the most salient here. At least half of the men involved knew of the Plan B man, 1 in 5 was a friend of his, and 1 in 10 of the Plan B’s had already made an attempt to jump ladders to be intimate with her.
A couple of things make themselves apparent here: in a social order that is made of at least 80% Beta men women can get an ego boost in real time from the default dread they can inspire without really trying. And second, in generation Beta a default form of soft Beta cuckolding is not just known to them, but apparently it’s become normalized for them.
All of this really comes back to, once again, quelling the constant state of internal doubt that Hypergamy instills in women. The Plan B dynamic, and the normalization of it in a feminine centric social order, is yet another play for assurances of security in both the sexual and provisioning aspects of Hypergamy.
Now, so as not to leave you hanging here, I have to end this essay with a bit of actionable advice. I get criticized for outlining the problems very well, but leaving out what a man ought to do with this information.
As always, your first order of business is to be aware that this dynamic is in play. Understand that this Plan B insurance tactic is not just reserved for married men with dead bedrooms. You will likely see variations of it in your dealings with women while you’re single. Any man who’s sexed a girl who depends on a bevy of male orbiters to bolster her self-esteem knows the utility of them. In the next post I’ll be going into detail of how you can leverage the Betaness of most men to elevate your SMV.
Finally, if you are a married man experiencing this Plan B dynamic, you need to do some serious reassessing of your relationship and the status your wife holds you in. Are you one of the 50% of men who know who their wife’s Plan B is? Is he even a friend of yours?
What can you do to reinforce your Alpha dominance in this situation? Or maybe a better question is, is it worth your effort to do so? There will undoubtedly be the predictable comments about how marriage is never worth the effort, and I’ll acknowledge that here first, but are you a victim of endlessly rooting through garbage to reestablish an Alpha impression for your wife that she’s reserved for her Plan B alternate?
@Sun Cool man! Yeah, Vibrams take the training wheels off. Little wonder some people got injuries from them, they’ve never used their feet properly before. Without that ‘self-correcting process’ people’s form gets all fucked up and ten years down the line they get hip, knee, or back issues. The pain is there for a reason. Blocking it by strapping a pair of goddamn marshmallows to your feet isn’t the very wisest. I mostly run forest trails myself (but I’m lucky enough to live near lots of them) and that adds another level of dynamism to the whole process. I used… Read more »
Forge 😮
Anyway, testosterone declines rapidly after 25 and even in looks guys generally peak at 25, and thats especially true if their hair starts balding or graying. I have many girlfriends, none of them date guys above 40… I mean, I guess daddy and my stepmom have a huge age difference but thats different, they are married and shes a gold digger >.<. Plus there is also a stigma against that nowadays.
Sorry for telling the truth but isn't that what the red pill is about???
“Sorry for telling the truth but isn’t that what the red pill is about???” Heh, let’s not be passive-aggressive girl. Being earnest suits you better. Testosterone declines slowly rather than rapidly with age, in contrast to a woman’s fertility. That’s just how things go when one gender’s gametes are all formed at birth; cells are mortal. Objectively, men’s looks decline with age. Sure. But let’s not have to invoke YaReally again to tell us what that counts for. Few older men have the understanding/balls to buck against the culture and try to get with younger women. Those that do don’t… Read more »
Naa, not being passive aggressive.. just honest Weeeell, if you are dating a girl her friends are gonna find out very fast. We dont usually keep many secrets from each other unless its like family stuff. But I am still in college, maybe girls date older guys after graduating. But while still in college, the girls have no reason to date older guys when there are thousands of college guys available. so thats an important thing to remember… An attractive 22 year old girl has lots of options. What would make a 45 yo more appealing to her than a… Read more »
Girls lie about their age (and to their BFFs about what they are doing) in order to date men older than their fathers, before they . . . reach the age of consent, never mind graduate college.
^Exactly what I’m talking about.
Is the red pill actually blue?
When women want to know the lived experience of men, they will tell them what it is.
Of course, most men aren’t kfg either. The point isn’t that most men find younger women highly available to them as they get older. Most men were never too compellingly attractive to women in the first place; they may pair with a girl of ‘appropriate’ age a few times just cause it’s what’s expected of the both of them, but that’s about it. And as they get older most men gather baggage and start to act older, and to feel awkward and distant from the passion of their youth and the young women that paired with it. They grow soft,… Read more »
Or to put it more briefly: This is about possibilities, not generalities.
@emily
Ah, back to the Smoulder?
http://images5.fanpop.com/image/articles/149000/disney-princess_149975_14.jpg
#nofilter
jeeezuss titty fucking christ what man even bothers to respond to comments made by women here?! Keep feeding their attention whoring addiction & they’ll keep coming back! Wtf any woman is even HOPING to contribute that might by a miracle hold any value to what’s being discussed here, I’ll never know lol
Hey guys, need your opinion. I’ve been married for two years now. We have a small boy, almost 2 years old. My marriage sucks. Although I’m aware of game in that time period, look at myself as natural alfa – my marriage is falling apart. In spite of all tactics and alfa behaviour – my wife is mean and disrespectfull. Our sex life is almost non-existing in last 2 years. I’m on a brink of divorce, because I don’t understand her behaviour. I started suspecting that she’s cheating on me – but have no real proof in that regard (i… Read more »
^Hey, I’m much more on topic then the constant fantasy FRs and PUA stuff here. No one’s asking you to reply to me or read my comments. I certainly am not interested in talking to you so just use the scrollbar mkay? @Forge Smoulder? It’s a totally neutral expression lol Okay.. I see your point. Is it possible for an older man to maintain youthfulness and be able to attract and connect with a younger woman? Possibly. I’ll give you that. But, I never denied that in the first place. All I was saying is that it generally does get… Read more »
Junior It’s useful to use the idiocy like Emmy as a learning tool to other guys, not to educate her, because she is fallen beyond redemption… Here is a good example… No guy is arguing about “dating” younger women, because why would you want to date? we are talking about plunging sexually… and naive idiot is all about projecting her desire to secure commitment.. ignoring the obvious hooking up that is going on under the disguise of “But I am still in college, maybe girls date older guys after graduating.” Dating… dating dating dating…. always pure projection coming from them,… Read more »
Stuart
“My marriage sucks. Although I’m aware of game in that time period, look at myself as natural alfa – my marriage is falling apart. ”
You should reflect very carefully on this sentence. Self delusion is not going to help you moving forward.
@ Emily the Silly Girl
testosterone declines rapidly after 25
Estrogen rises if you eat a lot of soy. I don’t do that. And I lift, which raises T levels. My level is in the 90th percentile for my age. And I have a lot of androgen receptors. And I hit 25 decades ago.
Maybe T levels decline rapidly after 25 for hipster sushi eating metrosexuals.
High IQ for the under-21 set doesn’t equate to “intelligent” in the entire adult population. IQ is relative.
A man peaks in strength in the 30-40 yo range. Testosterone is needed for strength.
“A lot of poor people can’t understand why rich people would get into philanthropy instead of just buying mansions and spending all their money on hookers & blow.” lol. seriously? philanthropy? lol. today, just as it has been since the gilded age and even the fucking middle ages, “philanthropy” is nothing more than a tax dodge and a way to enrich family, friends and cronies outside of the market system and prying eyes of shareholders, board members etc. you seriously think uncle warren, gates, clintons, etc give a flying fuck about you or any of the unwashed masses? lol. technoserve… Read more »
@ Stuart Dread. You need to use Dread. Go out weekend nights without your wife. Take lead/follow dance lessons during the week so that you get good at dancing. Lose weight. Lift weights. Focus on yourself. Your wife will come around, though you will probably have to tell her that you want a divorce after you can’t take it any more. My wife moved out, then called me to ask me for a date after I told her that I wanted a divorce. So be ready for it and don’t invest any more time/energy/emotion/money in your wife/marriage until your wife… Read more »
Asd, 90th percentile *for my age.*
There you go.
Sentient, ONS, casual sex, or dating. Nearly all girls would prefer someone around their age over someone twice their age.
Too bad Forge went to work or whatever. 🙁
@Emily, incorrect, in virtually every study on women’s stated desires as well as monogamous/marriage ideals women overwhelmingly want a man 5-7 years her senior. This is also reflected in current marriage statistics. Try again Pumpkin. There is virtually zero interest on the part of women to engage in monogamous relationships with men younger than themselves with any intent of long term viability. Why do you suppose that is? Because an older man represents a better prospect of the maturity and security provisioning that an evolved Hypergamy demands. Hypergamy cannot afford to be uncertain, thus a younger man may represent short… Read more »
Some men are delusional. Others are exceptional. Exceptional men accomplish things that to others seem impossible, often without much concious effort. It’s not hard to tell the difference once you learn the trick of it. I imagine hypergamous instincts would actually help ;D An example is Steve Job’s famous ‘reality distortion field.’ People who have exceptional results tend to have something like that. And the thing is, it’s something you tend to get better at as you get older – or at least it doesn’t decline. That’s how all the factors you cite affect most men’s options adversely – but… Read more »
A very lay description of T and E. The human body is done growing after 25 years, so T declines as it’s no longer needed as a growth blueprint. T does stay around for other purposes. Estrogen follows a similar pattern. For women the E decreases, so there is a relative increase in T, which is why women have their sexual peak at 30-ish… basically it just means they are old and accompanied by changes in skin tone and fat deposition. T level arguments about sexual activity don’t take into account the baseline level of T needed for such sexual… Read more »
Add to this list Hugh Jackman who at 42 was voted sexiest man alive by People Magazine. Ryan Renolds, 39. Chris Pratt, 36.
Now try to name even 5 women in their mid 40’s with the same confirmed sex appeal as these male actors.
@ Emily the Sex Researcher
What would make a 45 yo more appealing to her than a 25 yo?
A 25 yo man has more confidence. Status. Social grace. A 25 yo man can discuss sexual topics with a woman in a bar without blushing. A 45 yo man, not so much
Oh, yeah, a 25 yo metrosexual is also a LOT stronger than a 45 yo weight lifter and knows lots more sex tricks and understands women better than a 45 yo man.
/sarc off
^delusional
@Stuart
Buy this ebook:
http://www.amazon.com/Saving-Low-Sex-Marriage-Seduction-ebook/dp/B01BGZO1WK
Follow the program including the suggested other books to read. In addition read and re-read every single post Rollo has made on this site, and read and re-read both of his books. When going redpill makes you temporarily angry, go the gym to work it out.
“Nearly all girls would prefer someone around their age over someone twice their age.”
More hamsterese… Parse this and discover – oh wut? It has zero meaning?!? No surprises.
But note her changing her profile pic in response to Ya’s neg… Def ovulating. Bikini pic coming in 3… 2… 1….
Well, I do hafta work now but “same thing goes for the wuyi reserve in fujian province. you think the chinese leaders give a shit about the masses having access to that park? lol. all they care about is their yearly supply of authentic rock soil grown heirloom strain da hong pao. on nixon’s trip there they gifted him with 50 grams and thought that was being generous. he didn’t even know what the fuck it was.” I hafta give you this, you know a lot of random shit Fleezer. That said I’ve got a contact on China that can… Read more »
@ Emily the Testosterone Scientit
Asd, 90th percentile *for my age.*
And my levels are well over the median for men overall. I don’t supplement and my doc recommends against supplementing testosterone for me. But I lift weights. If men consistently lifted weights and/or did hard work, T levels wouldn’t decline all that much.
http://elitemensguide.com/testosterone-levels-by-age/
Steven Tyler, age 67, moves in with his 28 yo gf:
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2016/03/19/aerosmith-steven-tyler-67-moves-in-with-his-28-year-old-girlfriend/
@ fleezer
there are women in this world whose morning cup of tea costs more than your fucking montly rent and none of them would be caught dead at any of your “clubs.”
Naaah, most women like to slum from time to time.
@ Emily As I was grinding hips Sat. night with a late 20s hottie and we were slapping each others’ butts, a mid 20s hottie passed by, tapped me on the shoulder and said “hi”. I said hi, but didn’t even look at her. Recognized her voice, of course. There were young, very handsome, tall guys all around me watching. Yeah, girls prefer much younger men, all right. Oh, yeah, the mid 20s hottie wanted to dance close with me, rubbing her body all over me. We old guys are just sooo creepy, lol. Young guys in college don’t have… Read more »
Steven Tyler is a goddamn rockstar. He’s more wealthy and famous than 99.999% of men.
“you know a lot of random shit” I don’t think it’s random at all. right now, there is no way off this spaceship earth. the radiation in space will fry a man to a crisp before he can get anywhere. that means that all we have is this spaceship. this means that the ulta powerful and the ultra poor have to share it (until they can replace us with machines and wipe us out) and naturally things are going to get divided in favor of the powerful, no matter how small the differences might seem. a big part of being… Read more »
@Forge: “Of course, most men aren’t kfg either.” Yeah, well, I’ve stipulated that the one thing I’m not is average. On the other hand I started out with nearly every natural disadvantage you can think of. Small, sickly, allergic/intolerant, nerdy, sensitive, poor, last to be picked for any sports team (not last boy, last one). Still don’t need glasses, so I escaped that bit of the stereotype, so I’ve got that going for me, which is nice, I guess. But I took what I had and built from there. The average man my age should be able to better me… Read more »
http://images.lifeandstylemag.com/uploads/images/file/28524/johnny-depp-amber-heard.jpg?fit=crop&w=680
Save it Gamer… Emmy can’t explain why hot actress Amber Heard (25) hooks up with wrinkling, short, paunchy Johnny Depp (49)… you know they are both famous actors… like she should be fucking Zac Efron (28) right? Makes her head hurt…
You guys are talking about famous rockstars and actors. Jesus, how dense are you lot? How delusional.. much wow.
And by the way, not every one looks like Johnny Depp.
Example, I fricken love Leonardo di caprio, and if I was single and had a chance I would date him even though im 20 and hes 41. HOWEVER, I would much prefer to date his 22 year old version:
http://i.imgur.com/QfLXd.jpg
Same with, say, Clint Eastwood.
Hmm, I wonder what Rollo thinks about this?
sex is about power. maybe that’s why we all chase it. because we are powerless. Maybe that’s how you feel about it, but for me it’s about a biologically hard-wired urge whose strength is second only to the will to survive. Sure, I might feel powerless when I am unable to get sex, but lack of sex is the cause, not the other way around. You have an interesting fixation with the trappings of the extremely wealthy. Some guy drinks $5,000 cups of coffee every morning? OK, good for him. It sounds retarded to me, but clearly he gets some… Read more »
Emmy said – “if I was single and had a chance I would date him even though im 20 and hes 41. ”
From the mouth of hamsters… proving our point and she says we’re self delusional… you can’t make this stuff up… LOLZ…
Here’s a hamster pellet for your efforts… run along to class you silly thing.
http://www.wou.edu/~ecarter09/MyWeb/Images/hamster-food-bowl.jpg
“You guys are talking about famous rockstars and actors.”
Okay, so you are attracted to men with social proof and pre-selection. You’re still trying to backwards rationalize it back to looks though.
This is the guy you are attracted to:
Social proof and pre-selection = Game
Chick I knew from high school that was a bonafide super model (covers of Cosmo and Vogue each several times) met DiCaprio in the Titanic days when he was hot shit for every girl on the block. Couldn’t stand him. Like at all. He on the other hand pursued her ultra Beta style. Like when she turned him down for a number at the party, he got her number from someone else, did the whole filling her apartment with flowers thing, etc. Really pathetic. Couldn’t get her attention at all. Of course as she finishes this story, I lean forward… Read more »
“He has access to some magical Pegasus pussied women that I’ll never see? OK, good for him. If I will never see them in my life, then I don’t really feel threatened by the knowledge that he’s banging them.” how about the knowledge that he runs your life? that doesn’t bother you? it doesn’t bother you to pay him tribute just for being born? that pegasus pussy exists and I want it. don’t you want it all? I do. it’s not really about fancy coffee, private planes, or luxury castles. it’s the audacity of these people to flaunt their feigned… Read more »
WOW SUN. Yeah, that TOTALLY happened xD
Forge, Rollo, halp! The mid-life crisis guys are hamstering out of control here.
“no white man, save the oligarchs, drinks anything close to top grade from any province, and especially not the wuyi shan. lots of pretending going on though.” Lol I recognize I’m likely not getting anything that’s incredibly hard to get. But a lot of expense at the top end – in fact nearly all of it – is about prestige, not quality. I for one don’t care about the occasional frayed leaf in my tea. Or that it’s not the original tree but a vegetative offspring of that tree. Oenophiles, when blinded, can’t tell the difference between good wine and… Read more »
Why does Emily have to Hamsterize why looks and youth are so attractive to women? Maybe because she has a HUGE ego investment in it because she is committed to marrying a young, handsome hunk who she can’t keep from banging every night. Oh, wait.
Gentlemen, observe solipsism at work.
@emily96
It’s a good thing I don’t need your approval for what actually happened in my own life to be true. Run along now, dear. Adults are talking.
@ Emily Steven Tyler is a goddamn rockstar. He’s more wealthy and famous than 99.999% of men. Tyler is older than I am. Low testosterone probably. Fame/status/confidence trump youth/looks for women. Money doesn’t hurt either. When I go to a dance venue, I’m the rockstar. Even if it’s a new place. Women tell me that shit all the time, lol. Almost every single solitary broad, including the women who can actually dance well. And those women are often engaged or with a bf or husband and they are focused on me and trying to please me and get my attention,… Read more »
“But a lot of expense at the top end – in fact nearly all of it – is about prestige, not quality.” for sure. certain things in this world are in fact in limited supply and the biggest bullies always take them. I would argue that the fact that the quality increases compared to the price increases are so small that it’s like a large company’s advertising budget – more about how much money/energy/time you can throw away than about attracting customers. the guy (let’s say a dude like deniro) who flies to france, takes a helicopter to a three… Read more »
Now try to name even 5 women in their mid 40’s with the same confirmed sex appeal as these male actors.
Confirmed by my eyes: Liz Hurley, Michelle Pfeiffer, Raquel Welch, Kim Basinger, Sophia Loren in their mid 40s
Sure, they were hotter when younger, but they pass the boner test very easily.
Perhaps but not for the same reasons these men are “sexy”
@kfg “But I took what I had and built from there. The average man my age should be able to better me in every category but intelligence and maybe endurance, yet the average 25 year old can’t hack it. Not because they lack the innate capacity, but simply because they don’t do it.” Yes. A man is made, not born. If you’re a man of action, your weaknesses tend to become your strengths, since you take devoted action to improve yourself. If you want to help a man, you must help him become the sort of man that has a… Read more »
5-7 years her senior is different from 20-30 years her senior Rollo.
And once again, more actors? More famous people? Women are naturally attracted to famous, attractive, powerful men. But if an 40-50 year old is not projecting those things (and most don’t) then he has nothing over a 25 year old.
You’re still looking at masculine ideals. I could also use Chris Evans, 34 or Chris Hemsworth, 32 and you’d agree with me because they fit your very limited self-insight about what turns you on at 20 y.o. Both those guys are 12-14 years your senior. Trust me Pumpkin, if I met you in person and you didn’t know it was me you’d find me attractive because I know what hits all your buttons. I represent everything your cuckolded fiancé will never be, which is exactly why you come her for affirmation from older men. Your very presence in this forum… Read more »
@YaReally I have no idea, I pay so little attention to the girls yapping here lol I honestly can’t tell them apart and skip past most of their shit unless I see my name in it when I do my username search for shit to reply to. Only just seeing this. Ha ha that makes me happy. Amen to that! how about the knowledge that he runs your life? that doesn’t bother you? it doesn’t bother you to pay him tribute just for being born? that pegasus pussy exists and I want it. don’t you want it all? I do.… Read more »
“It’s a good thing I don’t need your approval for what actually happened in my own life to be true.” lol I think this whole age thing really comes down to two things. You might recognize them as being ‘the argument that always happens when we reference Rollo’s SMV chart’ and ‘the thing YaReally forcefully pounded into Scribbler’s head.’ 1. Men’s attractiveness doesn’t necessarily increase with age. He must actualize himself, become more confident, competent, and resourceful with time – or else the only thing changing will be his physicality, which changes negatively. And not a terrible number of men… Read more »
My HB7 ex was 19, I was 35. Recent flight to Canada I was flirting with an 18 year old that was eating out of my hand, I’m 39. In the moments when I’ve got the right flow, the young chicks are honestly the easiest to charm. I don’t even tell them my age, they never think to ask. It’s just about how they feel in the moment and the fact that I’m a fairly attractive guy anyway. In fact, I remember the chick that I used to train me in photography and gymnastics with always telling me I should… Read more »
” . . . you could obtain that level of wealth/power . . .”
It takes generations. Bill Gates is allowed in the clubhouse, because someone has to do the chores and errands – and he’s not even first gen.
The wealthy (as opposed to the merely rich) are wealthy beyond most people’s imagination.
Amusing fact for our young unintentional example: she apparently occasionally roams on my turf. If I run in to her around here, she won’t know who I am. What a deliciously amusing thought.
She better start carding every guy who gives her the tingles, if she can remember to do so. 😉
“But I would suggest you actually do something about it rather than publicly indulging in an inferiority complex and trying to suck others into your misery with you.” only in fight club (marla was an old skank, film financed by huge zionist, still good ideas though). 1. inferiority complex? absolutely. I look up to not only the great men of old, but strive for an idealized version of myself. that’s why I lift, choose foods wisely, practice game everyday, set small and reachable goals as well as fantastical long term goals, devour books, talk to everyone I can about anything… Read more »
@fleezer
Are you Joe Rogan, or just his biggest fan?
“If I run in to her around here, she won’t know who I am. ”
But because of solipsism, narcicism and “hey what could ever go wrong here?” our young one chooses to use both her first name and her picture to post anonymously on the internet…
but… but… but it… just… happened…
Perfect example.
“Are you Joe Rogan, or just his biggest fan?”
pretty sure he gets good smoke and lots of hotties, but not a fan at all. saw five minutes of his “comedy” and called it quits. old bill burr shit on the other hand….
“there’s no shirt for your face.”
…. I had 3 cups of Pilon espresso this morning, and it was extremely satisfying.
Sun Wukong, I’m sure Emily is thinking that she’s Hard To Get (to).
Rick James might not agree.
Yeah, I’m still on my 80’s music kick…
@AR
Meanwhile, last time I was out it was all like:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiP14ED28CA
Such terrible music, but I can’t help chuckling at ridiculousness the song and staring at what it makes the women do when I’m out. Dayum.
@ Sentient @ http://therationalmale.com/2016/03/14/plan-b/comment-page-6/#comment-147570
lol
Emily’s fun and ditzy, but she’s a giant in her own mind, lol. I’m sure she has an above avg. IQ, but that doesn’t mean shit in the adult population.
@ Forge
Or a scrawny, balding ginger.
Ooh, ooh, ooh, call on me! Owen Cook!
@asd
She has shown zero evidence of high IQ. Forming sentences does not count. Attending school paid for by daddy doesn’t count. Taking easy, bullshit classes doesn’t count. Not being smart enough to realize you don’t know it all at 20 doesn’t count.
Meh, I could continue but it’s not all that important.
Emily does something for me,she makes that 49yo construction worker gal I know,seem more appealing than a 20yo college girly.Another thing you can bet on is that 49yo woman is way better in the sack!
Forge, I must say you are quite smart 🙂 (not flirting! I’m serious, it does stand out here) Rollo, not sure if I’d find you attractive or not. Never seen your pic. Buuut, you don’t know my bf, he is very attractive. I only post here cause I’m often bored or can’t sleep and I find this place more fun than say.. reddit or youtube or any other internet hang out tbh. I’m sure I won’t run into you, Sun. Weren’t you the guy who was saying he didn’t know where the young girls were at in Dallas? Some player.… Read more »
“And these negatives often come with age
Greying hair, lower overall attractiveness, more weight, balding”
Yes Emmy these things are ALL unattractive.
In women… LOLZ
” I was wayyy better in Math than most of the other commenters here.”
Have you even figured out that the problem I posed you was a problem yet?
Emilyslut Anywho, we’re talking about 35-55 year olds getting with 18-25 year olds. So, someone like you guys (i’m guessing the avg age here is 35-55) with someone like me (20.) So, my opinion surely DOES matter. Dearie, how many women have you picked up? I bet not many. So your opinion is based on an N of about 1. Meanwhile YaReally and some other PUA’s might just know more than you do on the topic. YaReally they might… PS: IIRC testosterone peaks at about age 30, not 25, and decline can be managed. Do you recall Blaximus’s last T… Read more »
EmilySlut
In general, imo, men peak at 25-30.
Yes, dearie, but you are a silly, uninformed, college sophomore. So your opinion isn’t very interesting.
Lol this fucking thread. Bunch of people playing power games whose rules all disagree with each other. It’s pretty funny in a way (seeing the funny side is the only way to win here) but it’s also interesting as a demonstration of what different people value. I’m not trying to be cryptic, but I’m also writing on a fucking phone, so forgive me for not elaborating. But my basic takeaway is: you don’t change a person’s value system by presenting a competing value system. You work within that value system, create new experiences within it that influence priorities, and let… Read more »
@all What the fuck is wrong with you guys??? Why do you even READ what a woman writes here, let alone RESPOND to her hamstering?? Have you learned nothing from what has been written here from what thousands of men have discovered by sharing their experiences in-field? The ONLY thing that should be of importance to you is what you’re experiencing & how that matches up with those experiences of other men IN-FIELD! The rest is delusion, ESPECIALLY if it’s coming from the emotional bouncy ball that is a woman’s mind. Fuck me this is a retarded thread of shot-gun… Read more »
@ Blax
Buddy, she hasn’t shown a lot of critical thinking skills. But girls are way better at memorizing than critical thinking. Above avg. IQ could be 120, which isn’t high. And a 120 IQ in a 19 yo is about like a 100 IQ in a 25 yo.
Emily’s AQ is astronomical (Attitude Quotient).
Emily’s attention whoring reminded me of a beauty contest I once held at the eye doctor’s office. There were three young women there and I looked around at each of them in turn, smiling, not saying anything out loud. They all posed in the best attitude to catch my attention, The blonde (HB7) with tats and a nose stud came from around the counter to stand where I could see her entire figure. She wasn’t slim, but not overweight either. The brunette (HB6) turned sideways to show off her fine boobs. The redhead (HB7) dropped something as she was walking… Read more »
Well, @ Junior, did you read Forge’s very interesting comment about persuasion?
Junior, the MGTOW forum is THAT way. —–>
“But girls are way better at memorizing than critical thinking”
And you got this from… where?
Anywho, this thread basically proves you guys (minus Forge) are kinda delusional and that the red pill isn’t really all that red.
But whatever!
Emily, you’re starting to get a huge obnoxious zit on your cheek.
I can definitely agree with that.
Am I the only one who finds it comical women here attempt to sell marriage to us? It’s simple. A piece of paper won’t change my feelings towards someone, but it’s against my interest to remove a woman’s dread of losing me by marrying her. Not only she has to offer something that offsets that. Given that nobody here still buys into the soul mates who love each other unconditionally trope, marriage also means having a similar burden of performance to gaming multiple girls. So I’m puzzled why anybody would expect a man who knows his value to marry before… Read more »
Emily, theres no point in using average older men because they’re irrelevant to the lifestyle one has if it eschews bullshit from their lives. My body is better now than it was when I was 20 and it will stay so in my 30s because I invest in it. While your tits and ass do sag, muscle doesn’t. Grey hair? If you’re fit, you can just go bald. Lifting also increases testosterone. And more stress and responsibilities? Only if you make the mistake of marrying. For example, my plan is to go back to school in a foreign country and… Read more »
“Heck, if you don’t want children, it makes absolutely no sense to marry whatsoever.”
It doesn’t even make sense if you want children. Have your lawyer draw up contracts that create a de facto civil union. Unlike a prenup, they may actually be enforceable.
Move to a different legal jurisdiction if you have to.
God, I had to read a few more of Emily’s posts. Here’s the thing. Nobody claims a man’s life is easy and neither is getting the women one desires, unless they’re aiming for the mud and making it. And most of us have been teenagers and in our early 20s already so we know what our competition offers. Obviously, if you’re going to play video games from 23 until 40, you’ll be alone. But if you devote even 2h a day of that time to improving yourself, at age 35, you can be in a great position. If you compare… Read more »
You’re like a friend of mine who can’t imagine divorce because none of his friends’ parents divorced. ”
Naahhh. Your guy friend will likely wake up when confronted with a new reality, not double or triple down on the old one.
“Anywho, this thread basically proves you guys (minus Forge) are kinda delusional and that the red pill isn’t really all that red.”
What’s worse … delusional men, or a girl who is wasting away her productive pre-wall time interacting with delusional men?
I believe this delusional irony is what puts the red in your pink and keeps you coming back.
Kfg, in my country there are multiple forms of marriage that one can choose from when they marry. You can have the typical joint assets thing; each keeps what they earned just like they didn’t marry and another form that’s a mix. So the only thing left to deal with is child support. Hilariously enough, that’s capped to a certain portion of your earnings so if you get twenty women pregnant, they divide among each other the max child support youre legally forced to pay. We get better marriage deals in Europe than you do there.
So there ya go guys, if you’re silly enough that you just have to get married “because the children,” consider moving to The Old Oligarch’s legal jurisdiction.
A little late with my comment as it seem the convo has shifted a bit… @Vitriol I’m too cheap to spend any money for sex. I’d say more like what BlackDragon teaches on his blog. Quick cheap dates, straight to sex, have some fuck buddies, no drama, and spend most of my time and energy on my mission. @Culum Struan @kfg The reason I lean more towards GLL style, is that his is a natural way of doing things, truer to masculine nature. Unapologetic, socially free, pulls the trigger, leads his dating life on his terms. Has his own frame,… Read more »
@Junior While I rarely engage her directly, the reason to engage is because it’s amusing to watch her think she matters or that she’s going to change anyone’s mind here. She’s desperately seeking validation from men who don’t roll over for her like her Christ-cucked Plan B man does, and it shows. The reason to engage isn’t to prove a point to her or “win” an argument. It’s simply to provoke a response that pretty much proves everything we discuss here. It never fails to do so either. It’s why Rollo only bans her when she gets spammy and repetitive.… Read more »
@ETA I’m glad you posted, your guys’ mindset is fascinating. “Unapologetic, socially free, pulls the trigger, leads his dating life on his terms. Has his own frame, and the woman either gets in, or gets lost” Is there any part of that that you think PUA doesn’t teach? The only difference is that we socially calibrate so we don’t throw away so many girls for no reason. “Sometimes I feel like guys(young men) have internalized rejection so much that they have actually fetishised it. They’ve been stuck for so long in the phase of chasing women, that they don’t know… Read more »
I used to be very concerned about the wall. But then I thought that once I hit it at like 35, I’ll have been young and beautiful for 35 years, so who cares if I’m not for the other 35 years? And that’s 35 years more than the majority of the world 😀
The OldOligarch, I understand what you are saying. But my original point waaaas that it becomes much HARDER to get what you guys want (young women) as you grow older, not impossible. That’s it.
For Emily, life ends at 35, lol.
Fucking A, I’m still enjoying life decades past that.
I have no problem believing RSD’s infields that @ YaReally posts. They seem very congruent and my experience is similar though more nonverbal than verbal.
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“It takes 3 months in the gym to see results and bump their SMV by 0.5-1 point. And that will also increase their Test levels, which will make their game much more effective I can debunk this one myself. I’ve been hitting the gym for post three years, the past one year with a personal trainer three times a week. I’ve gone from a size 44 waist to a size 36 or 34 (I’m not entirely sure, haven’t bought new pants since I went down to 38 and am just going by belt holes at this point. I have not… Read more »
@Palleon @ETA “I can debunk this one myself. I’ve been hitting the gym for post three years, the past one year with a personal trainer three times a week. I’ve gone from a size 44 waist to a size 36 or 34 (I’m not entirely sure, haven’t bought new pants since I went down to 38 and am just going by belt holes at this point. I have not noticed much of a difference in my results, and the only difference I’ve noticed had been when I’ve been applying the “self-amusment” that YaReally takes about.” ETA: What do you GLL… Read more »
@YaReally @ETA Chris from GLL has an interesting back story. He learned about Game from reading ‘The Game’ circa 2006. He wasn’t good with women and he was desperate. He comes from an lower upper class family and his father gave him the money to attend BradP’s one month share a house and do PUA all day bootcamp. But Chris did not take to PUA. He rejected it and then met another similar minded screen-for-DTF artist know as “Scotty”. Scotty was a follower of Aron Sleazy who was the legendary Masf poster who pioneered aggressive screening game. Sleazy is also… Read more »
@YaReally I’ll post an answer to your previous post a little later… If he was to come to the community with the given information I’d suggest him to post pictures of what he looks like. A lot of guys have a false perception of what they really look. Their self esteem is rock bottom, and most often than not they’re very good looking. Post pictures with his best outfit, and critique that. If he’s a virgin, I’d suggest him to read the manual about losing his virginity. If he has Approach Anxiety, there’s the program to beat that, while at… Read more »
@gb_hill Solid breakdown and confirms a lot of what I would suspect. I can usually tell where guys learned game from based on what they do infield and their mindsets etc because I was a junkie checking out all the different methods. Chris/Sleazy’s mindset is the same mindset I see over at RVF, lots of the Manosphere, the TRP forums etc (like that GayLubeOil post I linked on TRP): “we aren’t like those WEIRD CREEPY PUAs doing PUA STUFF…we’re just COOL” It’s like they want SO FUCKING BAD to be cool that they’re determined to differentiate what they do from… Read more »
@YaReally It’s not the PUA knowledge I have a problem with, is its application. Most PUAs are there to make a profit, so they to create hype to get followers. All those hour long videos could be easily summed up in 5 minutes of relevant info, and use the rest of the time to get out there and practice. Most of the videos you share on here are about these perfect approaches, and for a beginner that is out of his reality. It’s overwhelming for him. You gotta give them something to digest. “What do guys in the GLL community… Read more »
@ETA “Most PUAs are there to make a profit, so they to create hype to get followers.” Is that bad, if what they’re teaching is useful information that helps guys? Tony Robbins hypes his work up, and it generally has a positive effect on the people who take it up. This is more a problem with PUA marketing than what they’re teaching, which isn’t really relevant. A guy teaching inaccurate information doesn’t get a pass because he’s humble. “All those hour long videos could be easily summed up in 5 minutes of relevant info, and use the rest of the… Read more »