The Something Else

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New commenter batfish55 had a stroke of genius in this weeks post.

 I do blow hours on my XBox, but even if modern graphics weren’t amazing and there was no XBox, I’d find something else.

This is exactly what male-feminist concern troll bloggers and ‘Man Up and Marry those Sluts’ Pastors refuse to understand because it completely fucks up their feminine-centric rationales and ham-fisted Beta AMOGing attempts to shame men for the disincentives that their ‘perfect women’ represent to men. The constant drone is how video games are to blame for paralyzing men’s maturation – a maturation that is always merited by how well he serves the Feminine Imperative.

What they refuse to acknowledge is: If it wasn’t X-Box it would be something else.

Countless guys do this already, because on some level of consciousness they get that the cost-to-benefit equation isn’t rewarding with women. As I wind my way through the third book, I’ve read through countless articles written by thoroughly feminized men, all shaking their heads over the reasons for the generation of “Lost Boys” who are so inured by the instant gratification of hi-res graphic video games and free online porn they have no incentive to ‘grow up’ and fulfill some nebulous form of manhood idealized by whatever shifting definition of masculinity their feminized minds think is relevant in that moment.

These hacks are so fundamentally locked into their ego-investment in blank-slate, gender-neutral equalism that it never registers for them that if it weren’t X-Box or widely available online porn it would be something else.

Thus, we have generations of Men in the Garage who feel some desperate need to claw out a tiny space where they’re free to be men in a home they own. These men need something else that’s just marginally rewarding set apart from their unrewarding spouse. And even in this attempt at Male Space, women feel entitled to insert themselves into it or do something compensatory.

Thus, we have married men who’d rather become “workaholics” and pour themselves into their careers rather than rush home to the minimal reward that his wife represents, the negligible appreciation for him as a man or, at best, his answering to the male indenturement that he was taught he should find intrinsically rewarding. Instead, work becomes his something else that he occupies himself with.

And thus, we have men who’ve bought into the feminine-primary conditioning that their highest sense of reward ought to be found in fulfilling the ideals of Fempowerment who instead find that women’s solipsism and their own, life-long approach to appeasing it has instead driven them to find that something else more intrinsically and/or extrinsically rewarding.

It’s not just “lost boys” staring at X-Box, smoking weed and snapping their radish to free porn, those are just young guys being pragmatic in solving the cost-to-reward equation women give them. But married men, men of all walks of life, are solving that equation for themselves now. They’re forced to solve an equation presented to them by women who feel entitled to having their Hypergamous natures optimized and appeased, with no insight as to how disposable men might adapt to their conditions.

These aren’t lost ‘boys’, they are mature, relatively accomplished men responding to their condition.

Men are deductive problem solvers. Our mental firmware will consciously or unconsciously make attempts to solve problems within the context of what we consciously or unconsciously have presented for us. Blue Pill conditioned bloggers, distraught over the ‘lost boys’, aren’t concerned with these guys’ making something of themselves. What they White Knight over is the lack of suitable husbands to join them in their own indenturement. That, or they fret over the possibility that their empowered daughters might not have a suitable Beta ready to marry her once she’s “found herself” at the end of the Epiphany Phase. They argue from the feminine-correct perspective they’ve only ever known. Complacency, like misery, loves company, especially when it confirms the rationales men use in their own denial.

These pearl-clutching Vichy men can’t see the disincentives of forming long-term monogamous bonds with women that their ‘drop out’ generation boys are just pragmatically avoiding. It is indeed a form of Soft MGTOW, but what’s harder for these manginas to acknowledge is the Soft MGTOW that’s been a part of modern marriage for four decades now.

As an aside here I should mention that a foundational tenet of the Red Pill is that a man must always put himself and his passions at the forefront of his life, or as Roissy put it, you shall make your mission, not your woman, your priority. The something else I’m detailing here may in fact be a man’s genuine passion, but his impetus to engage (or over-engage) in it comes as a result of a need for escapism rather than genuine fervor for it. This is an important distinction because what formerly was a dynamic passion for a man can turn into an unrewarding refuge if his perception of it becomes one of escaping his reality.

Market Reset?

Reader Kaminsky had a question in that same comment thread:

How do we incentivize them? (honest question, not loaded snark)

—Do we incentivize by withdrawing?

—Or by becoming yet better men?

I sought to answer this question in Spare the Rod, but I neglected to use the examples from my post Bachelor Nation in that one. This was the video I based the Bachelor Nation essay on.

I’d like to think of this as an example of the sexual market correcting itself, but when you listen to the self-important, solipsistic reasonings as to why these women believe the most desirable men ought to alter their own sexual strategies, change their minds, and rewire their arousal cues to accommodate sub-optimal women such as themselves, you begin to see why MGTOW, even soft MGTOW is a pragmatic response.

The logic of today goes something like this: Alphas change behavior, women respond and Betas follow along to women’s response.

I would argue that Alphas change behavior, women do or do not adapt, and then Betas follow the dictates of the sexual market. Whether you consider them Alpha or in some way marginally desirable by the women in this video these men have taken it upon themselves to find their something else.

In this video you have an example of men who both withdraw and make themselves better men (even if just by assuming some degree of control over their place in the SMP), but the attitude on the part of women isn’t, “Oh shit, we’d better make ourselves more acceptable mates for these desirable men or they’ll outsource us to Brazil.” Instead it’s the same entitled response we expect from women raised in a feminine-primary social order, “These men betterchange to accommodate us! It’s our game they need to play or they’ll be ass-out when they get older and lonely.” It’s this or else it’s some variation of “I make my own damn money” and they end up with the hapless Beta who would accommodate her because he too was raised to fall in line with feminine-primacy.

In all honesty I think correcting women has to begin at home. It needs to come from Red Pill fathers raising daughters from a Red Pill aware perspective. It’s got to come from a bottom up methodology, and quite honestly I don’t think that can happen until more men become Red Pill aware and accept their new role of mentoring the next generations as well as unplugging Blue Pill men today.

We have a generation of women today who are the products of fempowerment and ‘participation trophy’ equalism. That they’d EVER need to self-correct in order to have a better man in their lives is never an afterthought. Look at the women in this video, they are genuinely shocked that guys would be independent enough to save their money and take it upon themselves to look for romantic options outside of their ‘approved’ roles that ought to be in their lives. They literally don’t get it, so they fall back on male shaming and call them ‘sex tourists’ which is one degree away from ‘human trafficking’.

These women are the products of the oblivious entitlement that’s come from a feminine-primary social upbringing that’s taught them women can do anything and be anything. They’re taught to expect men to be compliant with their sexual strategies, but yet be their SMV equal-or-better without any qualifications on their part other than to have a vagina.

I believe the market can correct itself, but it must come from the bottom up and that starts by raising daughters and mentoring young women into more realistic self-understanding and more realistic expectations from themselves and others. I can hear the cries of “well good fuckin’ luck with that”, but at some stage Red Pill aware men will need to have the courage to go against the fempowerement zeitgeist. While encouraging boys to become girls is lauded in today’s world I also understand that encouraging girls to be even marginally realistic or to recognize the realities that their gender necessitates they be concerned with is this side of child abuse.

If women are to be corrected it’s going to need to begin with Red Pill fathers educating their daughters from an early age. If not, their daughters will find a generation of young men who are already looking for something else before she meets them.

252 comments

  1. @ Rollo

    I happen to know a couple of guys that travel regularly to Brazil to be with women. One is even a coworker of mine. In the circles I run in, in the black community, men with means are taking this route more and more. Not many that I know are actually moving to Brazil ( Rio has ” issues ” ), but it has become a hot vacation spot for many a few times a year.

    When I worked in a strip club, the majority of the girls were Brazileras. Hell, one of the security guards working the night shift at my job is Brazilian. Lol.

    When I was single, fortunately I didn’t have to fly to Brazil, as my city has a thriving ” Brazilian ” neighborhood that is fairly huge. There are others within a 5-10 mile radius.

    Hell, there’s a damn Burger King that’s staffed with hot, young Brazilian chicks exclusively.

    There’s a might split where I reside. One the one hand, there are fat wildebeests that swear that they are 10’s all day long, and have become insufferable. They appear to get all of the media attention.

    Then there are hot, slim ( well, slim with nice, round asses that is…lol ) women as well, that catch all manner of hell from the giantesses.

    But there’s not enough of them to go around. So black men wind up roaming different parts of the country, if it’s feasible for them to do so. Right now Atlanta is the hot spot for sexy honeys, and LA has always been choice ( wannabe models and actresses ), but if I were looking, I’d head across the GW or through the tunnel to NYC.

    I’ve never dealt with the women guys complain about. I’ve seen them, in action, but I have zero real experience with them. Like, in the video, the main chick complaining? I wouldn’t give her the time of day, even if I was wearing a giant fucking clock around my neck like Flava-Flav.

    I wholeheartedly agree with this –

    I believe the market can correct itself, but it must come from the bottom up and that starts by raising daughters and mentoring young women into more realistic self-understanding and more realistic expectations from themselves and others. I can hear the cries of “well good fuckin’ luck with that”, but at some stage Red Pill aware men will need to have the courage to go against the fempowerement zeitgeist. While encouraging boys to become girls is lauded in today’s world I also understand that encouraging girls to be even marginally realistic or to recognize the realities that their gender necessitates they be concerned with is this side of child abuse.

    If women are to be corrected it’s going to need to begin with Red Pill fathers educating their daughters from an early age. If not, their daughters will find a generation of young men who are already looking for something else before she meets them.

    – and I’ve done my part with my daughters, and try to do it with young women in my social/familial sphere.

  2. Rollo for the first time I disagree with part of this.

    “If women are to be corrected it’s going to need to begin with Red Pill fathers educating their daughters from an early age. If not, their daughters will find a generation of young men who are already looking for something else before she meets them.”

    Daughters typicaly do what their mothers do they learn this from a young age through osmosis.

    Realy the best education a red pill man can give his daughter is to maintain healthy respect from the mother,the daughter will be more likely to follow suite inspite of all the fem media…….

  3. I was raised firmly cocooned (entombed?) in the BP/FI universe. I ended up marrying a 30-something ex-carousel rider. Things turned out pretty much as you’d expect: disastrous. Although many men have had it a lot worse. But as I’ve entered the RP world (slowly – old habits die hard) I am both saddened and pleased. Saddened to see the plight the BP world has put young men into. But pleased to see the reception this newly RP man gets from women who are multiple decades younger than me and should be with much younger men.

  4. I am with stuffinbox. Never mind kill the beta, that White Knight spirit is darn near indestructible. Especially for a man that has spent two consecutive decades along side the same woman.

  5. Reminds me of when I was a kid and my controlling father would always want me to avoid going out but then criticize whatever hobby I developed: music, records, playing with whatever.

    This goes to my constant second-guessing of myself and I suspect many other dudes here…there is a very judgmental culture that is fueled by Blue Pill/FI/feminine centric dynamic which serves to put “me” (probably most of you guys too) in my place:

    1. Don’t complain so much you’re being over-sensitive
    2. Going on holidays to xxx again???
    3. All those girls are just after your money/home/passport
    4.Your approach is too heavy-handed/single-minded/stubborn

    etc etc etc. Basically, this:

    My entire life and everything I’ve achieved and all my game success has been the result of overcoming THAT type of second-guessing.

    So now the nice-guy model is Tom Hanks—the guy who pined away for Meg Ryan in Sleepless in Seattle.

    This is what we are up against. He’s an authoritative figure and if he says it, then it’s a rallying cry for White Knights and betas.

  6. It’s got to come from a bottom up methodology, and quite honestly I don’t think that can happen until more men become Red Pill aware and accept their new role of mentoring the next generations as well as unplugging Blue Pill men today.

    Rollo – you’ve been at this for years and I am still in a rookie status. Can a Blue Pill man be unplugged from a cold start? I have had no luck helping men become aware, unless that man has already developed his own sense that something is wrong. He may not have heard anything about the FI, or even understand it yet; but if he has, by any means, become bugged by the relentless woman-good-man-bad narrative, he can be steered in the right direction.

    Try to explain any of this to a man that hasn’t yet had a personal epiphany, and you get the proverbial “cats always look at you like you’ve just asked them for a ride to the airport”. He cannot understand what he doesn’t understand, or something like that.

    It’s as if you can’t help a Blue Pill unplug unless he has already started the process on his own.

  7. Porn and video games aren’t the cause of the problem, but if these outlets disappeared (along with foreign sex-tourism), young men would be a lot more motivated to *fix* the problem by whatever means necessary. That would likely involve a lot of kidnapping, rape, and violent death (just like in medieval times), but if the big boys have the system rigged so that you can’t marry and have children, you’re as good as dead anyway.

  8. Huge beta tells: “I’m offended as a guy. . .” or, “Sorry, but . . .”
    Ima start calling that the Tom Hanks Syndrome.

  9. One of your best posts yet & I agree a Soft form of MGTOW is spreading and has been for quite a while now, and It’s hilarious to see the Mainstream failing to understand why it’s happening.

    They fall back to shaming techniques but you can’t shame people who don’t give a fuck anymore.

    As to your suggestion that father’s need to raise RP daughters: It might work but it will take years and you’d have to fight against the indoctrination of schools, college, their peers etc. I don’t think that a father can fight against all of that in the long-run.

    I have a little sister and she got brainwashed pretty hard and that was in germany, so I’d imagine it to be 10 times worse in the U.S.

    You’d have to do homeschooling, screen their friends, keep them away from the MSM and probably a bunch of other shit as well and let’s be honest who is going to do all that and who has the capability to do that? So raising RP daughters and resetting the SMP that way might work but I doubt it.

  10. It’s not just young guys taking the soft MGTOW route. I’m 45, and recently divorced. As you might expect, the quality of women I encounter is overall, low. Most of the ones that show interest (offers of going out for drinks, cookouts, etc.) are 20-35yrs old. Some dumpy/unattractive, and some thin/pretty. The majority are minimally feminine. Honestly, I don’t think younger guys realize how much of a shift has occurred in the past several decades. I notice it in everything from body language, to dress, to casual conversation. It’s not unusual to hear a woman talk about how she’s been shitting her brains out all day. Pretty sexy, huh? The younger guys don’t bat an eye. Me? I’m reminded of how fucking far we’ve fallen culturally. Most American women have little incentive to present themselves in a traditionally feminine way if they can get what matters most to them, without compromising. No shortage of guys willing to explain away, or even praise them, as we all know. A recent trip to France highlighted the difference in US women for me to the point of being painful. I kept thinking “these women get it!”. The average French woman’s appearance, and demeanor make the average American woman look like the bitchy, overstuffed couch she is. The product of four decades of feminism, among other things, IMO. Am I going to take Mitch’s “Ukrainicorn” route? Hell no, too many pitfalls for my taste.
    My current efforts are focused on improving. Physical, financial, and game. It’s the only path that makes sense to me at the moment.

  11. @ Lost Patrol

    I’ve found that something like concern-trolling is useful. I’m happy to play the uninformed idiot. I pretend to “not understand” something. I will ask questions that expose cognitive dissonance with a straight face. For example: “Your wife won’t ‘let you’ come out tonight? You mean you have to get each other’s permission to go out? What, only YOU need permission? How does that work, how is that ‘equal’?”

    I think it works better when people see things for themselves. That’s not saying we shouldn’t be pointing at certain things and asking questions that expose hypocrisy/inconsistencies.

    It’s a variation on the Socratic Method.

  12. @ Rollo

    I see things the other way around, Women are my XBox! They are purely for entertainment, and my “something else” is my life.

    It’s an old red pill maxim, a woman should only ever be an Accessory to your life, not the focus of it.

    Now I “just do me” happiness flows downwards , if I’m not happy how can I make a woman happy? And just as importantly why should I?

    Just do you! Forget her problems, that she doesn’t want you to fix anyway and concentrate on yourself and everything will work out just fine, trust me on this!

    In short IDGAF except about me! Women are naturally drawn to selfish men, it’s a major DHV.

    “Happy wife happy life” is the biggest lie sold to Beta men, she will find a way to destroy that happiness as she needs that roller coaster of emotions, and she can’t experience that if it’s all about HER!

  13. Boy ‘living life entirely as a girl’ removed from mother’s care by judge

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/oct/21/boy-living-life-as-girl-removed-from-mothers-care-high-court-judge

    A seven-year-old boy who was “living life entirely as a girl” has been removed from his mother’s care after a ruling by a high court judge.

    Mr Justice Hayden said the woman had caused her son “significant emotional harm”, and he criticised local authority social services staff responsible for the youngster’s welfare.

    The judge said the woman had been “absolutely convinced” the youngster “perceived himself as a girl” and was determined that he should be a girl. He said the boy was now living with his father, who is separated from the woman.

  14. Something else is writing lots of comments on a blog, or even writing the blog itself

    To raise daughters you need to be allowed to raise them. Perhaps the key is to have a legal or contractual arrangement with the daughter, so one is not dependent on a relationship that is based on feelings

  15. You’d have to do homeschooling, screen their friends, keep them away from the MSM and probably a bunch of other shit as well and let’s be honest who is going to do all that and who has the capability to do that?

    It’s not as hard as it sounds, but you have to work together. Someone else mentioned above that the daughters will mimic the mother and this is true. When she shows respect to the father the girls will watch this, but so much of this originates from Dad. Mom is a passive player. One that is watched, but Dad, when done right, he is admired. He is the one who is run to at the end of the day full of excitement because he is finally home! He is the one who sees the girls being inappropriate in someway and throws out a look or a word to make it clear how he feels about that. And when your admired and respected in such a way, that look, word, or even smile is all it takes. A mom just doesn’t have this. The girls will fight her on it. Argue, yell, whatever it takes and all Dad need is a look.

    Both Mom and Dad are needed but it starts with Dad and his authority.

  16. @SJF

    Thanks for the link. I remember that one now that you bring it forward again. To me, it reinforces the idea that you almost can’t help a guy escape unless he’s figured out he’s in a trap to begin with; and wants out.

    @Mineter

    That is a reasonable way to test the waters, and I have used variations on that theme . Often, that is where I get the guy looking back at me like he’s wondering what language I’m speaking; but maybe some of them are thinking it over later and comparing it to what they see in their own lives. A tiny light bulb comes on. In this respect perhaps you can, over time, help a man see he is caught in a trap; even if he actively resists seeing it. Reducing an iceberg with an icepick.

    None of it seems age related like one might think. An older man has lived longer in his blue pill matrix, so is more conditioned to the FI seeming like normal life. Yet he is the one that’s had the most time to build up resentments against the FI as it works him over, so ought to be ready for his red pill.

    A younger man has had less time to absorb the FI, and has advantages such as this site and the greater ‘sphere. He should be easy to convince and ready to go, and indeed you see it happening as outlined in the main essay here. But a younger man has likely been brought up in an even more intensive and pervasive FI than previous generations. His feminist teachers, single mom, media drumbeat, etc.; have colluded to bury him as deep in blue pill as you can go. So it can be as hard for him as for the older man to see the trap and want out.

  17. I don’t think the main problem is in raising daughters for two reasons:
    1) The law is already set up to stab a man in the back so cup cake wifey can get cash and prizes.
    2) Too many men are too lazy and too stupid to invest in potential son in laws when their daughters come of age. Who the fuck wants to wife up some cunt who slut her way through college? Only the thirstiest of simps.

  18. @Edelweiss

    I’m in your spot, but 49 now.

    It’s taken 5 years for me post divorce to fully digest TRP.

    It’s not so much a case of conscious MGTOW at my stage, more a case of just thinking ‘nah’ when most women present with any type of BS.

    The ‘soft next’ is the defacto standard for me in almost all interaction with women.

    To get to the hole between their legs you need to go via the hole between their ears and most of the time this is a mission through a war zone to reach a desert zone.

  19. I saw an interview with a TV writer who said you should never write for a show where the husbands hate their wives because they work super late.

  20. “These aren’t lost ‘boys’, they are mature, relatively accomplished men responding to their condition.

    Men are deductive problem solvers. Our mental firmware will consciously or unconsciously make attempts to solve problems within the context of what we consciously or unconsciously have presented for us.”

    My buddy/roommate is an electrician who makes decent coin. About a month ago him and his girlfriend broke up. What did he do? He brought his other big TV into the living room, set up his PS3 there, popped in MineCraft and built a massive baseball stadium.

    If anyone here has seen the MineCraft build-mode, you know it takes some serious logged-hours to create something like that.

    He’s barely in his room. He sleeps on the couch in the living room pretty much every night. I guess he’s mourning. Going through the motions. We’ve all been there in some form or another.

    Hell, about four months prior my gal and I broke up. I dropped her shit off at her place. Never done that before. I was sad and mad for a bit. My ‘something else’ was booze and drugs.

    Like Rollo said, we’re were just responding to our condition.

    But, unlike my roommate, I found this site. Thank god.

  21. “In all honesty I think correcting women has to begin at home. It needs to come from Red Pill fathers raising daughters from a Red Pill aware perspective. It’s got to come from a bottom up methodology”

    “believe the market can correct itself, but it must come from the bottom up and that starts by raising daughters and mentoring young women into more realistic self-understanding and more realistic expectations from themselves and others”

    “…it’s going to need to begin with Red Pill fathers educating their daughters from an early age”

    Rollo if I’m not mistaken is that what the third RM book is focused on – Red Pill fathers and parenting?

  22. “What they White Knight over is the lack of suitable husbands to join them in their own indenturement.”

    Yup…😧
    In an attempt to appease their ‘queens’ and to show that they ‘led’ other ‘stray manboys’ onto the right path…

  23. A man must see the truth, that what he has to offer to a woman is far more valuable than what she has to offer him. This is why God, “Male and Female Created He Us,” made it so that the man LOVED the woman. IF the man does not “LOVE” the woman, the man will not be “STUPID” enough to put up with the woman, because the woman is less valuable to the man than the man is to the woman. Sex and companionship are all well and good, but, is that juice worth the squeeze? No, of course not, not even close, unless there is the intangible wild card of the man’s love for the woman as part of the recipe.
    So, men, open your eyes and accept the truth of the world, that you are valuable and it is her that is dispensable as far as you are concerned.

  24. “In an attempt to appease their ‘queens’ and to show that they ‘led’ other ‘stray manboys’ onto the right path…”

    While there is certainly a fair amount of virtue signalling going on, I think it mostly comes down to simply trying to ego validate their own poor choices.

  25. The plight of educated black women is extreme. They go to college, where young handsome eligible black men are hunted to extinction. They go to the professional workplace and normally end up in woman dominated industries. As the wall comes they usually “compromise” on some hood rat with smooth skills and get a couple of kids. Perhaps marry him perhaps not. The in her 40s she lets herself go and is a single mom. A single mom who has daughters who are unsupervised most of the time. A single mom of sons who struggle with male identity using drugs or gang membership to get by.

    These women who are now experiencing the full affects of second wave feminism that they were taught in college. And only a few realize they were duped. Duped into thinking that a life without men would be fulfilling. Duped into thinking that they could raise a family alone. Duped into thinking education would be their ticket to happiness.

    Meanwhile in recent immigrant communities women are far more happy while being less educated than their Black woman counterparts. Which brings me to my biggest observation about black women in todays society. Most of them really don’t respect men. And those that do respect men found a handsome loyal black man and thank God every night in prayer they are not living like their friends.

    You see it in corporate America all the time. Women who externally have all the skills to be hugely successful, but can’t get along with men to save their career. So they get relegated to HR or Call Center type divisions where they can be around mostly women. It’s sad. I have professional black women who are friends and they just can’t be humble, they can’t consider submission to a man. And sometimes in areas like law or medicine this still works. You can be a Queen bee dictator in those fields. but in corporate America is a career killer.

    Rollo you are right about the clueless of most of them. But there are black ladies who, after a few drinks, tell you the real deal. They KNOW they are too bossy, they know they are not being congenial to get a decent man. But they also know that they won’t find a decent man to be nice for or have a clue to love. (and they are right, all the good black men are gone by late college years). And unlike college educated black men they usually DO NOT have the option to date other races.

    If you go to certain college campus towns like Burlington you see this on the front lines. Girls desperate for male company who due to a 60/40 gender ratio are fighting like hyenas over the men that are there. Heavy liberal arts colleges have become a male no go zone and men are fleeing in every direction. If you go to a lib arts class (and I recommend every father take one before he sends his daughter to college by the way, Literature or Rhetoric would be idea), you will see first hand the hostility to male mind sets.

    What you see in Burlington is a wasteland of beta males and alpha men on track to future power lawyers, sr execs, doctors. All these prime alpha men being hunted like the rare game they are. But all the girls not realizing that these alpha guys will not marry (if they can help it) until after professional school 3-5 hence. So these girls ignore the more ordinary dudes to hunt their MRS lottery ticket. So in essence these girls are gambling with very low odds of winning.

    What these girls would be well advised to do is go old school and marry like they did in the old days. Marry the professional man who is DONE with their grad and is 5 years older and will probably settle down. But these liberal arts teachers are not even hinting about that being the way to go. Fathers have to teach that.

  26. We watched a great movie last weekend called Captain Fantastic. It’s about a set of parents who raise their children apart from society. The movie gave a very nuanced look at the benefits and drawbacks of their approach. In the end, a compromise between two extremes was reached.

    It is very necessary to teach your children how to both be a part of the world and be separate from it. My own daughter (who is almost ten) knows she’s moving out of our house at eighteen. I’ve just finished remodeling her house, in fact. She may have a female roommate while she attends a local community college and prepares to marry. At that point, the friend will move out, and the husband will move in while they save for a bigger house.

    I advise anyone with daughters to short-circuit the “go to college, get a job, buy a house” path and start with the house. Start looking when she’s young and buy someone cheap that needs work. You’ll have years to make it ready. Have her help you tear up the floors, like mine did. Let her pick things out. Get her “invested” in it. (When Elle talks about it, she calls the smaller bedroom “the children’s room.”) Your daughter will have quite the advantage in the marriage market and be more inclined to attract a man who is both willing and able to provide for her on one income.

  27. re Kate:

    The FI bulldozer ploughs on. You have neatly protected your daughter from my attentions, at least so far as being a potential provider goes. One thing I have learned the hard way is never, ever move into a woman’s house.

    At the very least, if you’re going to do it anyway, keep your own place. Spend time there. Make it your actual home, even if you spend much of your time at the woman’s place. She’ll never let it be your home anyway.

    If you can swing it, keep two places, one she knows about (perhaps she thinks it’s your “office”), and one she is clueless even exists.

    Now what you have to figure out how to do is keep me away from your daughter’s future Beta simp provider, so I don’t have a chance of smartening him up.

  28. If you want to know the solution, look to how things used to be when we weren’t in post-apocalyptic sexual market wasteland.

    Good fathers were one element. But good luck getting people to sign up for that in a vacuum. You’re not going to draw men back to fatherhood with the deal as bad as it is. It’s gone too far for men to put up with it (divorce rape, getting fucked in custody, etc). And you’re fighting against the entire rest of society when you’re doing it.

    Here’s my modest proposal of a better solution:

    The “something else” men invest their time in should be online shaming of women / betas for shitty behavior towards men.

    Our old, functioning culture used to aggressively shame people for doing the kind of shit that women are doing now.

    When women waited until they were in their late twenties to get married, people used to send them anonymous valentine’s cards making fun of them. They’d call them old maids. Their families would constantly tease them.

    Date a biker? Slut, slut, slut.

    Lead a man on for free dinners? Cocktease and a whore.

    So you too can help out. Shame a slut today. Online trolling and memes are responsible for Donald Trump’s rise. So why not Make Women Great Again the same way?

  29. LOL, good! She’s going to marry someone local. All four grandparents need to be from this area, and the other family needs to bring a similar commitment to the relationship to the table. I’ll be retiring when she starts having children. A grandma close by to take the children away at least once a week so adults can go out and be adults, and a financial leap forward of essentially a down-payment on a house is a pretty good bargain for somebody to allow her to be a stay at home mom. Add in that she’s young, pretty, naturally thin and debt-free, she will have more choices than other girls her age.

    I’m not unloading my daughter on a “Beta simp provider,” I’m guarding her like the commodity she is and not selling her beneath her value. Marriage is serious business and an aligning of assets. The threat of divorce is always on the wealthier party. Why wouldn’t you want the woman to own her own house? If she’s going to get it in a divorce, anyway, at least you didn’t pay for it. In fact, she may have to pay YOU. But, likely, the house for my daughter will stay in my name and they’ll just use it.

    As I predicted years ago, more and more women are feeling the cost of divorce: getting no child support with equal custody time, paying their spouse alimony if they make a little more, etc. It only makes sense that as men are pushed out of the workforce, women will pick up the burden of making a marriage work or paying the financial price of divorce.

    How many jobs do you think there are going to be for men in ten years? Almost every job you can imagine will be phased out by automation. The few that remain will be fought over savagely as native men compete with immigrants from all over the world. Our entire WAY OF LIFE is falling by the wayside. I’m not going to quibble over the terms alpha and beta. I’m stacking the deck for my daughter to make sure she’s ensconced in the sanctity of marriage. Any parent serious about their girl’s future would do the same 🙂

  30. Titus Hauer @ October 21, 2016 at 11:48 pm:
    “As to your suggestion that father’s need to raise RP daughters: It might work but it will take years and you’d have to fight against the indoctrination of schools, college, their peers etc. I don’t think that a father can fight against all of that in the long-run.”

    +1. The deck is stacked too high for any man not independently wealthy living in the boonies, plus most girls today do not even have a father in the house. It will have to be the gov’t that reimposes sane sexual behavior upon women, unlikely as that happy fate is, because the number of good fathers is extinction-level low. This as a direct, intended result of gov’t policy.

    And honestly, I think a female-hostile gov’t is the better way to train up women. Women seek safety more than opportunity so even the worst pedestalizer would at least have a threatpoint. As a thought experiment, set up an “obedience bureau” to track the sexual behavior of unmarried women, with confirmed sluts being publicly identified and shamed? At least until fatherhood becomes the norm once again.

    @Kate,
    Listen to kfg. The plain truth is your daughter will most likely end up a slut if she goes to college outside your husband’s direct supervision even briefly. Better idea: raise your daughter to expect a selection of 2-3 husband-picked suitors to marry at age 18, or she’s disinherited and disowned. Buy your SiL the house.

    Nothing your daughter learns in college will make her a better wife and mother.

    “I’m not unloading my daughter on a “Beta simp provider,” I’m guarding her like the commodity she is and not selling her beneath her value.”

    Your daughter, like most women, will produce nothing of importance except friskies and babies. The true value of a daughter is trading her for a quality son. I wish your generation could understand this.

  31. @ Kate

    Are you the wife of that rat Mark Minter?

    If so you are hardly in a position to teach your daughter anything, give. Your marriage track record!

  32. @Kate:

    You have switched from bulldozer to backhoe, in order to dig the hole nice and deep. You’re right though, your son in law won’t be a Beta simp; he’ll be a completely spineless putz to totally abrogate his frame not only to his wife, but his mother in law as well.

    Don’t get me wrong, I’m not castigating you. You’re doing a wonderfully womanly job of protecting womanly interests. Damn near perfect.

    But that requires you to remain wilfully ignorant of the fact that that necessitates a man who utterly abrogates his own interests.

    If he’s going to be such a wonderful single income provider to a stay at home wife, why isn’t she moving into his house?

    You state the case yourself.

    Don’t get too attached to your son in law (not that there’s too much risk of that), he’s not going to be around in “the sanctity of marriage” for too long.

    Where is your daughter’s father?

  33. Just as American men of European descent remembered there are other countries with marriageable European women and American men of Asian descent never forgot, so too have American men of African descent been reminded that there are black women all over the world, many of whom actually wanting to offer what they seek in women with a little foreign language flavor.

  34. Couple questions

    What are some good exercises just to be healthy. Not to build muscle or win beauty pageants, just a few simple things to do to be healthy and have higher energy levels.

    Secondly, and going along with that, what is the best thing for this. A few simple meals I can make that are cheap but also the best thing for being healthy.

  35. As a self-professed asexual, I had a certain “clarity” that other adolescent boys had at that age, and as such I couldn’t shake the feeling that the girls weren’t going to just “grow out of it,” as so many adults were claiming. Two decades later, I think I’ve been proven correct.

    I have God, a silver Mustang convertible, a quiet apartment in a quiet suburb, and a good job in a place where I’m a 3rd Generation worker. Life is good.

  36. “Not to build muscle or win beauty pageants, just a few simple things to do to be healthy and have higher energy levels.”

    Same difference. Start here:

    https://www.amazon.com/Body-Science-Research-Strength-Training/dp/0071597174

    You’ll have a bunch of questions after reading that, but they’ll be the right questions.

    “A few simple meals I can make that are cheap but also the best thing for being healthy.”

    Chuck, chicken, eggs and butter. Throw in a few ounces of liver(wurst) now and again. No need to get fancy with French banquet recipes. Just learn to cook it up decently. It’s food, not entertainment.

    Go here to look up nutritional values (based on USDA data, but with some nice charts):

    http://nutritiondata.self.com/

    But ignore their advice on nutrition, it’s the government approved crap and worse than useless. If you look up the value of various foods you will quickly discover that the most nutritious food, that costs the most per pound, does not cost any more than the cheap crap per nutrient.

    There’s no excuse for eating junk. Most people just don’t know how to properly assess the price of food and use something like the “This box is bigger for the same price” method.

    Fruits and vegetables are the most expensive foods, as, unlike what you have heard, they not only cost a lot per pound, but are almost nutritionally void.

  37. “…. the most nutritious food, that costs the most per pound, does not cost any more than the cheap crap per nutrient.

    Most people just don’t know how to properly assess the price of food….

    Fruits and vegetables are the most expensive foods, as, unlike what you have heard, they not only cost a lot per pound, but are almost nutritionally void.”

    I recall once listening to a call in radio show on nutrition or losing weight. The caller asked: “Do you have any diets for poor people?”

  38. I think that in a sort of isolated religious community environment Kate’s plan might work. But I’m trying to envision what this would be like outside of one in this day and age.
    Young man takes an interest in young girl.
    Her mother explains that she has the house all ready that they are going to live in for the rest of their lives. If he works elsewhere, he’ll have to commute of course! Mom in law must be there at all times…right. there. I think any sane person would steer pretty clear.

  39. How it was done in a traditional, American religious community:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Witch_of_Blackbird_Pond

    Although the synopsis does not properly cover the issue of the house, which plays a significant symbolic role in the story. You’ll have to read the book. In the end a ship plays the role of a house.

    “Typically it is the male birds that build the nests as a way to woo females. The better the builder, the more likely he is to find a mate.”

    So just what kind of male bird is Kate’s method likely to attract?

  40. “I recall once listening to a call in radio show on nutrition or losing weight. The caller asked: “Do you have any diets for poor people?””

    I don’t think there’s anything that will get me banging my head on the keyboard faster and harder than someone saying, “I can’t afford to lose weight.”

  41. @ hank

    “What are some good exercises just to be healthy. Not to build muscle or win beauty pageants, just a few simple things to do to be healthy and have higher energy levels.”

    I prefer bodyweight exercises. Here are some basics:

    -Pushups
    -Handstand pushups (kick up against a wall)
    -Dips
    -Pullups/Chinups
    -Inverted Rows
    -Squats (ass to grass, AKA full range of motion…I heavily prefer front squats)
    -Pistol Squats
    -Calf Raises
    -Jump rope, burpees, sprinting, shadowboxing, hitting a heavy bag, etc. for cardio. You could really do anything for cardio but AFAIK the best approach is to stick with interval training, whatever you do, and avoid steady-state cardio like the plague.

    Keep in mind in all the above exercises there are a lot of variations you can do to make them more intense or to target different muscles.

    Gymnastics rings, IMO, are the superior choice for upper body development. They recruit far more stabilizer muscles and also offer an added margin of safety by allowing you a range of motion that simply doesn’t exist on the floor, with an olympic bar, or a pullup bar. And the variations of exercises you can do are endless.

    Try doing a pushup on the floor, or dips on the floor, and compare that to doing them on gymnastic rings and you’ll see very quickly how much more difficult they are. I HIGHLY recommend getting some gym rings if you can. You can hang them from trees or anything that fits the bill. They just slip on with cam buckle straps which are super easy to adjust. I replaced the straps that came with mine with 1″ NRS cam buckle straps and they adjust like butter. That makes it easy to go from doing pullups/chinups to doing inverted rows and ring pushups.

    IMO pullups and inverted rows are neglected by most guys, and you NEED to develop your back in proportion to your front if you want to maintain good posture and a good looking physique. Finding or setting up a place to do pullups can be a pain but IMO you have to do it. And gym rings are the way to go.

  42. I can’t afford to lose weight!
    That low calorie food and fat free stuff is so expensive.
    So is the gym!
    😉

  43. @Hank Holiday

    Sorry to be so flippant about the nutrition and exercise questions.

    The best way to to be healthy is to avoid stress, have a happy mindset and be comfortable with who you are and what you are doing (which is meant to be a flippant LOL. Moving to a new place and getting a new job is one of the most stressfull events ever.)

    I take it that your questions are posed because you were living at home and now it is kind of scary to have to cook and feed yourself.

    The gist of the nutrition advice given by KFG is that simple, unprocessed food is better. Cheap cuts of beef, chicken, butter in tablespoon amounts, and if you are not overweight rice and potatoes and legumes (beans, peas and lentils) are simple. Healthy soup is healthy soup. Simple is better and food is food. It doesn’t have to be fun or enjoyable, but you do have to stay alive.

    There are about only a million youtube videos about “simple” foods and esp. among those put out by weightlifters. You can cook huge batches of food all at once and then have leftovers. Cheap utensils can be purchased and used like a housewife in the 1960’s to feed a family of five each night that can feed you for a week. With the absensce of “fast food”. Imagine getting a $40 crock pot and a $50 pressure cooker and a $25 rice cooker and an $80 microwave and $30 worth of tupperware.

    There was a reason old school moms had four different things for dinner. A main thing, two sides and a dessert. For sustenance and lack of boredom. Even though KFG dissed fruits and vegetables, they are a respite from boredom and sodium.

    Imagine pairing up with a girl or a guy in real life instead of over the internet to cook a weeks worth of food one Sunday afternoon.

    Food is just food. Crappy food is just crappy food and will give you lower energy levels.

    As far as exercise, does it really matter what exercise you do in the next five months? The trick is just to exercise.

    If you want to be more masculine, find some guy that you can weight lift with and lift weights.

    Walk, run, hike, bike, swim, row or kayak (if that is available.) In the short run it does not matter. What matters is that you do something. I don’t advise running for life, but you would be surprised if you worked up to running three miles, three times a week during an 8 week period of time and how much energy, clear thought and dopamine rush that you will garner. It will cost you a shirt, shorts, sweats and shoes. And it can turn out to be a sublime experience if you really have a desire.

    You don’t need a gym to exercise.

    Long term, as a man you should lift weights. For no other reason that it is a proxy for masculine strength and will bleed through your sub-comms to women. It is masculine-ly psychologically healthy, and it is not something that should ever be a detriment.

    Here, we have the disconnect from the original post in regards to men not benefitting or being appreciated with woman’s affections. Would you benefit by eating well, exercising and tackling your new job with a purpose and a passion? Would you rather take a route of tuning out socially and escaping?

    From the OP:

    As an aside here I should mention that a foundational tenet of the Red Pill is that a man must always put himself and his passions at the forefront of his life, or as Roissy put it, you shall make your mission, not your woman, your priority. The something else I’m detailing here may in fact be a man’s genuine passion, but his impetus to engage (or over-engage) in it comes as a result of a need for escapism rather than genuine fervor for it. This is an important distinction because what formerly was a dynamic passion for a man can turn into an unrewarding refuge if his perception of it becomes one of escaping his reality.

    Your job right now isn’t to correct women. Your job is to get to know your strengths and weaknesses. Employ your strengths, minimize your weaknesses and improve yourself (with your job coming first). Eat healthy and exercise to clear your mind and get a dopamine input. If exercise is not giving you a dopamine input and refreshing you, you are doing it wrong.

    You can improve yourself, pursue your mission and have women come to you. Because you are young and you got lots of time. But don’t waste that time. Start learning how to prepare good food and do any exercise until you get your bearings until you know what you want, need and find it easy enough, enjoyable and is achieving your goals. That is part of being a man in current times when you don’t have to hunt for your food and fight other men physically.

  44. “A man must see the truth, that what he has to offer to a woman is far more valuable than what she has to offer him.”

    are you fucking crazy?

    there is nothing more valuable than a woman’s womb. nothing else matters if we don’t have sons and grandsons to take our places.

    “you are valuable and it is her that is dispensable as far as you are concerned.”

    agree. every single woman a man meets in his life is dispensable, including his mother. the rub is that women as a sex are not.

    we must meet in the marketplace and make deals, or we go extinct.

    “Reminds me of when I was a kid and my controlling father would always want me to avoid going out but then criticize whatever hobby I developed: music, records, playing with whatever.”

    to this day I know I’m on track because my dad gives me shit. if he’s picking on me it means he knows I can take it. there have been a few times when he hasn’t dealt out the shit and looking back it was because I was in a weak place. lately he’s making fun of everything I do. fucking awesome.

    I always welcome criticism, jabs, low blows. If he hadn’t been dealing them out since I was a kid my skin would probably be as thin as the average safe space shitstain on campus these days.

    “Fruits and vegetables are the most expensive foods, as, unlike what you have heard, they not only cost a lot per pound, but are almost nutritionally void.”

    my backyard garden disagrees. herbs, greens, sprouts are all super easy to grow and filled with so much heady goodness that your cock and balls with thank you.

    get a vitamix and try it all

  45. And Softek begins to answer some of the questions that will likely be raised after reading Body by Science.

    Like, “The exercises in the book are not only all machine based, but machines that are almost impossible to find these days. My question was what exercises can I do, so, ya know, what the hell exercises can I do?”

    The book is important for its treatment of why and how we should exercise, as much as it is about what exercises to do. The principles can be applied to any resistance training method, including body weight, and I have stated a few times before that even if you intend to lift I recommend you start with body weight. Control of your body is a more fundamental skill than controlling objects.

    Someone a while ago got curious and wrote to Usain Bolt, asking what his mile time was. His manager wrote back, “Usain has never run a mile.”

    My own answer to the “steady state cardio” issue is somewhat more complicated, but I can certainly start out with, “For God’s sake, stay away from the treadmills and elliptical machines. The only reason they exist is to sell treadmills and elliptical machines.”

    Stationary cycling has its place, if you are a cyclist and the equipment is specifically designed for cyclists. Otherwise, see above.

  46. @fleezer

    Good to see you back commenting. Why did you go away? Why are you back?

    I enjoy your masculine stance on red pill topics.

  47. “herbs, greens, sprouts are all super easy to grow and filled with so much heady goodness that your cock . . .”

    . . . hens and rabbits will love them. Eat the eggs, surplus chickens and rabbits.

    “get a vitamix . . .”

    I told ‘im we already got one.

  48. ” . . . KFG dissed fruits and vegetables . . .”

    Only for their nutritional and cost per value. I’m fond of a nice pear or peach now and again and grow my own blueberries.

  49. LOL How many twenty-five year olds do you know, kfc, who have their own house: one big enough to raise a family in? It’s not happening. My colleague has a late twenties son who is an architect who is just now looking at buying a house. According to Rollo’s SMV chart, he’s in his prime. He lives in a nearby city and can find NO ONE worthy to marry. Having a house for your child/child’s husband is an investment in both of them. That’s the point you’re missing. The women use their assets- whatever they might be- to assist the men when they’re young, and the men return the favor when their wives are older. And maybe they help brush the snow off their wife’s mom’s driveway when she’s an old lady.

    Far from overbearing mother-in-laws, do you know why so many young marriages break down? There is too much isolation of the couple, too much codependency, and, when the children come along, not enough generational help. Not to mention, older women without grandchildren are divorcing their husbands now simply because they don’t have enough to do!

    It’s no surprise we have completely different views on the subject. But, truly, don’t make me laugh. Tell me about your wife and her plans for your children. Some people are very good talkers. Unless you’re actually in the trenches DOING it, I’m not interested. And, since you asked, my daughter’s father lives diagonally from me, and his property now abuts our daughter’s. We’ve got the makings of a nice little compound for us all, not to mention my daughter’s grandparents who are also nearby. I would hardly let a thing like divorce get in the way of hanging on to good real estate 🙂

    /End Scene

  50. Wait Kate…. catch some of us up… So you have a 25YO daughter with another man. Who lives across the street from you? Yes? Are you still with Mark? And he has a son with another woman right? What is going on with his son?

    Fill in some blanks…

  51. @Rollo
    “In all honesty I think correcting women has to begin at home. It needs to come from Red Pill fathers raising daughters from a Red Pill aware perspective.”

    This is one of the reasons I keep bringing up alternative plans for achieving the 2-parent household keeping attraction long-term that might help this happen. Right now Red Pill fathers are entering a system stacked against them and making their ability to do this much harder than it probably needs to be. All of this is for nothing if we can’t keep men in their childrens’ lives consistently, and large groups of men won’t even reproduce when they can’t see any clear path to success (MGTOW, Grass Eaters, etc)…the only people that will be reproducing and staying in their children’s lives are the occasional Blaximus who manages to walk the tightrope and a shitload of Blue Pill chodes who stay with their wife despite the deadbedroom. That’s the future generation if we don’t come up with better solutions. This won’t right itself on its own and we have no other options to offer Red Pill men right now except a system with a massive and increasing failure rate.

    Like how many guys in this comment section are actually allowed to be fully involved with our kids’ lives and are raising them Red Pill? Less than 10 of us? And how many of us are avoiding settling or having kids or WILL avoid settling or having kids as they get older, because the odds and stats and risks are just too shitty to get involved with that mess? The odds and stats are going to get worse not better (like you say, the girls in that video aren’t going to change their attitudes, and that attitude is becoming more and more prevalent across the board thanks to technology giving them inflated entitlement).

    Even if every one of you beat society’s influence and their emotional urges and taught your daughters properly, this will still end up a losing game on a long enough timeline because we can’t all line up to pop out babies with your daughters.

    If Red Pill men had better options with less risk, and were able to better trust that they’ll get to actually raise their kids in a stable 2-parent household (with an easier time pinging her Hypergamy), more Red Pill men would have kids they can teach to do this bottoms-up thing.

    Until then we will continue exactly as we are, with the trends following their current paths, with more and more men turning to less risky distractions with higher odds of happiness. And we’ll all keep talking about how there’s this huge problem, but won’t actually find solutions for it.

    Like SkankHunt123 (lol) says: “Good fathers were one element. But good luck getting people to sign up for that in a vacuum. You’re not going to draw men back to fatherhood with the deal as bad as it is. It’s gone too far for men to put up with it (divorce rape, getting fucked in custody, etc). And you’re fighting against the entire rest of society when you’re doing it.”

    There’s no reason this trend will fix itself, just like the Mice Utopia didn’t fix itself.

    @all @guys going out tonight @looks/muscles/gym related
    Tyler on why his looks (beer guy, insane beard etc) don’t matter and how frame works:

    There’s a lot of VERY FUCKING DEEP ADVANCED NUANCED SHIT in this video even though he disclaimers it as being nonsense.

    Summary of some of the key points because they’re important enough that guys need to hear them:

    – making a girl laugh (or feel an emotional impact in general) switches her from her logical brain to her emotional brain. That’s why lots of good looking guys going on dates where they’re boring as fuck get disqualified for not having the right watch or job or whatever, because those guys have no game and don’t know how to spike her emotions and the girl stays in a logical headspace where she’s evaluating you logically (just like on Tinder etc where yes, looks are important, because you can’t really disconnect her from logic in a profile she doesn’t read…note that the girls interviewed in videos like the above are in a logical headspace just like when a girl says she wants a Nice Guy, the guys that fail their qualifications are the guys who didn’t make enough emotional impact to not BE run through her qualification-gauntlet by her)

    – to understand how this works, think of when you have a girl coming over and you 100% plan to use a condom no matter what, you KNOW it’s the smart logical thing to do and you know all the pros and cons. And then she climbs on top of you naked and is making you feel good emotions and teasing you and grinding against you as she makes out etc etc as she tries to slide it in. Pretty much every guy has fucked up and gone “…but it feels SO GOOD, okay I’ll just pull out at the end and it’ll be okay!!” and fucked them raw in that situation, and then towards the end there’s a nightmare battle to fight your hindbrain’s goals of reproduction to get yourself to actually pull out and not just finish in her (especially when she’s begging for you to)

    At the START when you were in your logical mindset, you were NEVER going to do that shit…but once she switched you to your emotional brain you started making decisions you might not have made when you were logical (especially if you introduce booze to the situation too, which helps shut down your logical brain)

    Just like the girl 100% legitimately BELIEVES she’s not going to go home with anyone tonight, just like she 100% legitimately BELIEVES she wouldn’t fuck a guy who’s short, or balding, or fat, or has a nasally voice, or has some shitty job, or sleeps on a mattress on the floor, or lives in a shitty apartment with 4 other guys, or wants to fuck in a bar bathroom, etc etc…but then meets a guy like Tyler Scray myself etc and ends up DOING that because the guy gives her emotional impact and switches her to her emotional brain and speaks directly to THAT instead of the logical debate back and forth guys get into where the girl’s emotional brain isn’t engaged and they start running the guy through the disqualification-gauntlet.

    This is why I say the “No” girls thing is a limiting belief. If the guy gaming them were able to tap into their emotional brains, they would become “Yes” girls for him in that moment. So when I see a guy run a style of game that has no real emotional impact to it and then writes girls off as “No” girls and I see the girl still engaging him but he just isn’t giving her any real emotional impact it’s like, she’s not a No girl, a No girl would have walked away from you, you just aren’t gaming her properly and need to tighten your shit up.

    Now as we know, with girls after they do something they hamster rationalize why they did it, so after she fucks you, ya she’ll go back into a logical headspace, just like you’ll think “oh god what have I done I should’ve used a condom I swear my dick feels itchy now when is her period omg omg”, but women’s hamster rationalization will look for any reason to justify why she did the thing she did…so she’ll rationalize to herself that you’re attractive because if she can’t do that then she’s just a slut who fucked some unattractive guy and her brain doesn’t want her to be THAT, so she’ll make up reasons to justify sleeping with you like “I just love his beard” “I LIKE that he’s not like those gym guys that care about their looks too much” etc and as long as you’re still charming/gaming her you’ll be helping her hamster see your attractive qualities (or make them up lol)

    – The reason Tyler can have his retarded beard and purposely get fat for a year and be balding etc and still be cleaning up with young chicks and girls out of his league looks-wise, is because he doesn’t CARE, it’s all a joke to him, and joking around about it as he’s gaming them makes the girls switch to their emotional brain and they’ll stroke his beard or rub his belly “as a joke” but just like talking about sex lays the groundwork for the girl to feel mentally be more open to having sex, her acting as if that stuff is attractive/fun/funny/not-an-issue lays the groundwork for her actually VIEW those things that way

    – Part of why this works infield is that when other better-looking richer younger whatever guys see you having fun and macking girls, they start to feel STUPID. Because they’re busting their ass to get a 6-pack or to make money or groom and dress perfectly spending money on expensive custom fitted suits etc and you’re there in a t-shirt with a beer gut having MORE FUN THAN THEY ARE lol

    It’s like Tyler’s friend he talks about in this video, who’s a minimalist who just travels around living in his R/V doing pretty much nothing for work day to day because he lives so cheap…Tyler busts his ass to work 24/7 on his company and to earn the “right” to “feel good” and then he hangs with Tynan and just feels retarded wasting all that time because Tynan has none of that and is happy as fuck lol So Tynan’s ability to enjoy his life and have fun and be happy and LIKE HIMSELF makes guys who try harder than him FEEL like they’re “trying harder” especially when the goal is “who’s happier” (VS “who has more money”, like Tynan’s goal isn’t “get laid”, his goal is just “enjoy life and be happy”), and the goal for most men infield is “who’s getting laid?” so when they see a guy who’s doing better at that goal with less help, that makes them start second-guessing all the effort they’re putting into those things.

    So those jacked rich dudes standing around hoping their passive value will attract girls start attributing Tyler’s success to stupid shit that they don’t have like “it’s the beard bro, it’s gotta be the beard”, they won’t pick something THEY have like “it’s the blue shirt bro” because then they should be as successful as Tyler, so they have to pick something they don’t have or can’t have, no matter how retarded it sounds (“oh women like older men bro” wasn’t a phrase I heard anyone in their 20s saying until I WAS an older man and doing better than them infield lol then suddenly I have all these “advantages”)

    And women ping off their environment, so when those guys are looking at Tyler like “man I wish I was able to have as much fun as that ugly little guy is having”, the women are picking up on that, and it’s all just boosting his value…but it STARTS with Tyler not judging himself and focusing on self-amusing and not taking himself seriously and not caring what his looks rating is and having delusional confidence about how his beard gives him superpowers or how his chubby belly is sexy etc Which is why I stress the looks don’t matter stuff, because that internal shift in your head is what makes this feedback loop all happen.

    – When you set up goals like “when I get a 6-pack I’ll be happy” “when I get X size arms I’ll be happy” “when I get X money I’ll be happy”, you just increase your goals…now the 6-pack isn’t enough, now you need to get jacked too. Once you earn X money you’ll probably move to a higher income area where comparing yourself to others you’ll still have less than them and you’ll probably have more expenses etc so you’re never going to reach “completion”. You have to accept that you can just BE HAPPY and have fun and like yourself and view yourself as attractive NOW as you ARE, literally as you’re reading this you can just FEEL like you deserve to go out and approach a smokin hot girl tonight, otherwise you’ll just get trapped in a loop of never feeling “good enough” (and then when you DO finally feel good enough and fuck up a few times you’ll ego-protect and avoid approaching them because now if you DON’T get them then you REALLY must suck lol)

    That’s only like half the vid but I gotta go get ready for tonight lol

    To anyone heading out: try highlighting a physical flaw of yours tonight (or just don’t hide one that you normally hide, or sabotage your looks a bit by dressing crappy or not doing your hair or whatever) and STILL BE PRO-ACTIVE infield (ask girls what their Halloween costume will be and bust on them for their answers and suggest sexual costumes etc). The hotter the girl you try it on the better.

  52. “And maybe they help brush the snow off their wife’s mom’s driveway when she’s an old lady.”

    Q.E.D.

    “Unless you’re actually in the trenches DOING it, I’m not interested.”

    Been there longer than you and was raised by an extended family that got through the Depression and the Great Hurricane of ’38 working a chicken farm outside of town and grocery store in town. There was always a bed, a meal and meaningful work to do for any family that needed them.

    And I’ll probably be dead before you stop evading the issue.

  53. kfg @kate
    Don’t get me wrong, I’m not castigating you. You’re doing a wonderfully womanly job of protecting womanly interests. Damn near perfect.

    Some postings back a few of us were discussing matriarchy vs. matrilineal.
    Kate’s provided us with a fine example of at least one of those. Maybe a mix of both.

    Now, what kind of bird will Kate’s daughters nest attract? What sort of man will agree to move into Kate’s house in order to make baybees with Kate’s daughter in order to please Kate?

    PS: Has anyone discussed this with Mark? Or is he stuck in the Ecuadorian embassy with Julian Assange and therefore cut off from teh Intertubes?

  54. “And, since you asked, my daughter’s father lives diagonally from me, and his property now abuts our daughter’s. We’ve got the makings of a nice little compound for us all, not to mention my daughter’s grandparents who are also nearby. I would hardly let a thing like divorce get in the way of hanging on to good real estate.”

    Yes. If I remember correctly, KFG did say something about the Mosuo women and their family plan/style once or twice.

    Thanks for verifying the “walking marriage” concept of the enlightened Feminine Imperative Kate. Are you related to Mark Minter?

    Man, that KFG sure racks up the Q.E.D.’s

  55. “Kate’s provided us with a fine example of at least one of those. Maybe a mix of both.”

    She’s part way between the old model and the new socially engineered model. In the new model the putz will keep his own place because he won’t be allowed to actually live in the house, but will still provide provisions and show up to shovel the walk anyway.

    ” . . . Mark? Or is he stuck in the Ecuadorian embassy with Julian Assange . . .”

    Check out the man cave in the ex’s garage.

  56. kfg
    “For God’s sake, stay away from the treadmills

    I have friends who have treadmills in their house, often in the bedroom. The main purpose of those machines seems to involve dust collection for a reason that isn’t clear to me, not clear at all.

    Got on a treadmill a couple of times for some sort of evaluation. It’s not as boring as watching paint dry but it is close. The video screens and headphone jacks are also boring. Nothing like just walking for half an hour or so out in the world, not atall. Did I mention boring?

    Well, entertaining myself by stepping up close to the top roller then stopping my pace to let the belt carry me down to the bottom roller…just got me in trouble with the hired help. Ooops. Oh, well. Sorry and all that. But there was an upside, nobody’s asked me to get on a treadmill lately.

  57. @anon:

    Arrrrrrrrrrrgh! f9qe8u[tiqoitoqriuytwoe5y m

    Can’t say I didn’t ask for it though, and you certainly know the spiel.

  58. “In all honesty I think correcting women has to begin at home. It needs to come from Red Pill fathers raising daughters from a Red Pill aware perspective. It’s got to come from a bottom up methodology, and quite honestly I don’t think that can happen until more men become Red Pill aware and accept their new role of mentoring the next generations as well as unplugging Blue Pill men today.”

    Yes.

  59. @hank

    Any caveats to your health that you can talk about? Or maybe I missed it. I reckon you have some problems, i.e. not just being fat (I understand you are overweight). Other guys might be better equipped knowing details. If youve already talked about it please repeat.

    re: white chicks

    Have you tried friendzoning them for utility?

  60. Also there are so called kalisthenic playgrounds in some places, maybe you have one around. You can do dips, pullups etc there.

  61. @MrT @softek @sjf @kfg

    Not really overweight, just have general heath issues and need to get back to working out. Never did much weightlifting, but used to do a bunch of push ups, pull ups, the plank, ran 3 miles in very hilly terrain every other day, things like that. So wasn’t especially muscular, but had a six pack and all.

    Stopped doing that, went into trying to lift weights but got bored of it. Also ran on a treadmill but it messed up my knees so I stopped doing much of any exercise.

    So I think I should just get back into running long distance around the neighborhood and do more push ups, pull ups, that sort of thing.

    As far as white girls I guess I could friendzone them…but most of them I dislike because they are so boring. Will try to do that more though one some of the easier girls I guess.

  62. And those calisthenics park parks are cool…there is one in the city I am trying to move to, but none where I live at now.

  63. I think the most interesting aspect of Rollo’s post is being lost. He’s never been a MGTOW fan but is coming around to the idea that its a rational choice. A valid choice. It doesn’t mean you weight 300 lbs. Doesn’t mean you are a loser. Doesn’t mean you are a worthless human being who won’t put in the effort. It means you are making a choice. Like watching porn is a choice. Like seeing hookers is a choice. Like choosing to work in a cubical to become a slave to the borg is a choice. Some take a path that others would not choose and would not recommend. Doesn’t mean these MGTOW guys are wrong … they are doing what they think is best for them, right now. And in many cases it is much better than the alternative.

    And to be clear … some choices … are not really choices because many men have been brainwashed into a BP existence and know no other path. There is no choice if you know of only one path. But as men awaken … many times … when men wake up and see they do have a choice. They choose to not play. Why play a game where the rules are such that you cannot win, you cannot get what you want, and in many cases … you work and work and pay and pay and in the end .. victory is stolen from you by a rigged system. Not playing is ok and that is a valid choice.

    So MGTOW men should not be condemned. Hopefully they will continue to grow. And conditions will change. Or they will help conditions to change. Or they will continue to learn and grow and understand .. it takes time to accept a full RP existence. Meanwhile … MGTOW is a valid choice for many. Women are not your priority, are not your mission, you do not live your life for what THEY WANT … but for what YOU want. So spending your time ignoring them and pursuing your mission (whatever that may be) … is a valid choice.

    Its heartening to see influential people like Rollo beginning to see that. That is all.

  64. Hank

    “And those calisthenics park parks are cool…there is one in the city I am trying to move to, but none where I live at now.”

    Sure there are…

  65. Hank.

    “Not really overweight, just have general heath issues and need to get back to working out.”

    Whatever that means.

    I saw a disagreeable patient in the office today. He had a lesion on his cheek. He had tried two inappropriate methods at home trying to make it go away. (peroxide and 5-flourouracil).

    He came in to my office for my opinion. I asked him: “How long has it been present?”

    He responded: “A couple months”

    I asked him: “how many months is a couple months?”

    He looked at me strange, like WTF? And then he scowled at me.

    I asked him what his definition of a couple months was? Because my definition of “couple” is two. (He was not too aware of why physicians actually ask pertinent questions in trying to make decisions–the history and then the clinical appearance.)

    He said “3-8 months.” (I figured that as the oddest interpretation of a couple that I could possibly imagine,)

    Which was a game changer for his diagnosis.

    Which immediately made me jump to the conclusion that he was a dick, didn’t really want help, was an idiot, was intentionally being deceptive, or had an agenda.

    I gave him a vague output (put this medicine on it and see me in two weeks for a biopsy) because of his inappropriate prior treatment and input. The lesion had secondary changes that were inappropriate to diagnose today, rather than after settling.

  66. @YaReally “”This is why I say the “No” girls thing is a limiting belief. If the guy gaming them were able to tap into their emotional brains, they would become “Yes” girls for him in that moment.””

    True. I met up with a girl I gamed at a dance party. Took her out for drinks and then back to dancing.

    When we met up for the first time she was up for drinks, I escalated kino, tried to kiss her twice and she gave me the cheek….all par for the course.

    Later she came out to where I was…and it was a much more crowded situation…she was then tired and so was I….the logistics and everyone looking at everyone were a vibe killer.

    We danced and I built up rapport with attraction spikes and kino….but I could feel the vibe sagging.

    She left…”I’ll come over”—she’s staying at a posh hotel. No, she was tired blah blah blah.. “k”.

    Point here is…logistics and isolation are critical. Some venues just aren’t suitable to escalation and game.

    I’m no longer disappointed in these situations. I just told her to come back in a couple of weeks and we’d hang out. If she makes the effort to come back…it’s fully on.

  67. I think that Kate has brought up some interesting points that speak directly to “Red Pill parenting” a daughter.

    Any daughter’s father’s (and mother’s) conundrum, Red Pill or otherwise, is essentially trying to ensure the happiness and financial security for their princess. The problem is that the means of achieving those two are usually incompatible.

    Kate wants to ensure that the man who eventually marries up their daughter is solid Beta Bucks, and should the marriage go south, that their daughter will continue to have financial security (i.e. keeping her marital home in their name). But we all know that women despise BBs, so in this scenario Kate’s daughter’s twat will dry up and she will become miserable keeping herself for the BB, go seeking AF on the side, split with the BB or some combination of these.

    On the other hand, Kate’s daughter would probably be all for an AF, who probably wouldn’t be anything like a BB. AF hubby will probably go looking for pussy on the side, Kate’s daughter will get upset and split (unless she was willing to “share”, ha!). But at least she’ll have “her” (Kate’s) house. Oh yeah, AF will become despised as a Beta without the Bucks, as he’ll constantly be reminded that it’s not “his” house.

    What’s the solution?

    Have the daughter marry some guy she likes or some guy her parents like? I suppose the answer depends on how close she is to the wall when she marries. If Kate can raise her daughter to ensure a low N count (or better yet, remain a virgin) until marrying young (and taking into account a whole bunch of other factors as per that divorce risk calculator I recently saw posted on FreeNorthener), there might be a chance for Kate, her daughter, and her son-in-law to all be happy.

    I doubt it, though.

    I only have daughters. I am trying to raise them as RP as I can, despite their mother’s attempts to instill the FI in them (meh, I’m pretty good at breaking down the illogical fallacies to their faces). But you can only go so far. You can teach girls the harsh realities of their biological, dualistic natures; you can point out no shortage of examples of poor choices single slut mothers and cat ladies have made… but when she meets an Alpha that makes her damp, her hamster will easily overcome every iron-clad, rock-solid argument you have ever made that she agreed with.

  68. Modern patriarchy was rooted in heavy industries. When it went so did the social fabric it was central to. It’s demise came about at the hands of the unions and worker’s endless wage demands. The industries and those jobs were shipped overseas.
    The Female Imperative is based in the service industry. This was the domain of women, but with the lose of industrialised production, men were forced to compete with women for these jobs.

    To cut a long story short men started to identify with women. Women struggles became man’s struggle. Born were the White Knights.

    Sometimes I feel this blog is too close to the subject matter to see the path forward. Talk of red pill parenting and coercing women into a manner that benefits us, is unnecessary.
    Women will change of their own accord.
    This change will be brought about by the collapse of the service industry.
    The service industry is a false economy predicated on cheap labour from overseas. It’s that labour that’s responsible for everything you see around you. A service doesn’t produce something of physical value.

    Men need to be patient. We shouldn’t be trying to force a change that’s already happening. The pace of change is probably happening faster outside the U.S. but that is no reason to start panicking.
    Another thing men have seemingly forgotten is the need to save and purchase things of true and lasting value.

    Madonna said it best. “The man with the cold, hard cash is always Mr Right.”

  69. @Rollo “at some stage Red Pill aware men will need to have the courage to go against the fempowerement zeitgeist”

    Why? It’s Roman Empire before the collapse. Current system is not going to “evolve”. It will eventually destroy itself or be destroyed by barbarians (Europe, anyone?).

    Also, why unplug BP men and educate women? I am no Christian by any means but:

    “Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces.”

    Matthew 7:6

  70. “On the other hand, Kate’s daughter would probably be all for an AF, who probably wouldn’t be anything like a BB. AF hubby will probably go looking for pussy on the side, Kate’s daughter will get upset and split (unless she was willing to “share”, ha!). But at least she’ll have “her” (Kate’s) house. Oh yeah, AF will become despised as a Beta without the Bucks, as he’ll constantly be reminded that it’s not “his” house.”

    I’m sure Kate’s daughter would want the best man she can pull and settle down with. If she is as described (I’m not sure how a person can determine the future metabolism of a ten year old, but I’ll let that one go) and she is marriage minded, that will probably be a pretty high value guy. A high value guy will not accede to being penned into his mother in law’s home for the rest of his life with no other options. They might live there for a few years, IF he has a job close by and it’s convenient, and the mom in law keeps out of their business. Most people have to move for work, eventually, in the modern age. What happens then? It doesn’t sound like a home, it sounds like a shackle…and worse, because it’s in her name. They’re presuming failure before the union has even started. When I was married, I had a dowry. It became a joint savings account and we’ve added to it. Now it more than pays for our home, children’s tuition, and would help support us if anything happened to him (we have insurance but it’s good to have a buffer).

    It might be gratifying to fix a home and dream about your daughter always living there, but if you’re hoping she has a happy future it’s not very likely. Kids learn more by example than anything else she has already learned a great deal I’m sure, from Kate’s successes and failures and will continue to do so and that will shape the person she becomes.

  71. Just thinking further, if you raise the daughter with this dream it’s pretty likely she’ll be more attached to the house than her man.
    Which is essentially what happens when a woman puts her career before her man (and family). You’re going to have the career problems without the career and I see lots of future fighting over “her home” until he either has enough and leaves, or she capitulates, or he capitulates. Either way it’s a bad recipe.

  72. I seldom comment on these boards because usually the resident commentariat does a bang up job of covering all the bases and then some but something has begun to irk me as of late; specifically the increasingly vocal acceptance of the MGTOW element amongst previously Red Pill spaces. Comments such as those by mega_guy above demonstrate this.

    For starters, we shouldn’t be devoting any further bandwidth to silly acronyms like MGTOW when good old-fashioned “loser” is far more evocative of the truth. MGTOW are losers. It doesn’t matter that the game was rigged; that the odds were stacked against them; that the dice were loaded, they lost. (Good day, sir.) Life is winners and losers. They want to talk about being men but then turn around and anesthetize their pain away by couching their status in terms of choice – well, no man would willing choose to cut off his own dick. “I’m a dickless island on an important mission! If women are going to ignore me, well, then I’ll ignore them, and even though I was invisible to them from the beginning and they won’t even have noticed that I’m gone … um … muh hobbies … ” Now that’s some mighty fine hamstering, boys.

    “There is no choice if you know of only one path.” There is no choice if you only have one path. “Why play a game where the rules are such that … ” Playing the game without the means to win and simply not playing at all (and I know how much some of you love to quote War Games) both lead to the same result – death – whether you lose by default in simp-ly not showing up or whether your valiant efforts to game a bunch of sluts ends up in fading fantasy notch counts for you and nothing but dusty wombs for them.

    So, no, I’d rather not see TRM rent out any more space to MGTOW than is necessary, except to exemplify the reality that, while it may be true that increasingly large swaths of men are being left behind financially, politically and socially it has nothing to do with choice.

  73. “In all honesty I think correcting women has to begin at home. It needs to come from Red Pill fathers raising daughters from a Red Pill aware perspective. It’s got to come from a bottom up methodology, and quite honestly I don’t think that can happen until more men become Red Pill aware and accept their new role of mentoring the next generations as well as unplugging Blue Pill men today.”

    Expanding slightly on my support of this notion.

    I don’t think it’s as hard as some make it out to be. Yes, much of society feels like its in the gutter already and you’d need wings to stay above it. Granted my daughter is young, but I can assure that so far RP influence on her upbringing has been indispensible in terms of grounding how I deal with her. I probably game my daughter more than I game my wife. The wee one is mighty determined once she builds up a head of steam, but it can be in the wrong direction some times and needs correction. If I did not understand how to toy with her when she needs to be deflated, she would hate me today. She absolutely looks to me for approval. Meaning I have her ear when I want it. Combine that with abundant teachable moments in RP thinking and its not that hard to pull off.
    It’s been pointed out here that you can use the Socratic method to help draw BP men to a kind of awakening by highlighting logical inconsistencies in the FI etc, For me it’s sort of the same with both my kids, and my wife even, but the difference is I am simply highlighting the outcomes of certain actions over longer scales of time than they normally would think about. As well as using Socratic method and other strategies.

    “Yes that girl is very popular with the boys today, but it may not always be that way, did you know she’ll be less likely to have a successful marriage if she has too many boyfriends?” or “Why do I like Talyor Swift more than …just about any other pop star? Well mostly sweetie it’s because she carries herself with a degree of self respect and dignity that those others don’t”

    I just let it hang then move onto the next thing. The kids are smart, it resonates.

    Like my otherwise soft spoken 12 year old boy who is nevertheless quite perceptive. Any time he now hears the word “feminism” a wry smirk creeps across his face, well on its way to a shit eating grin.

    Obviously setting a good example with wife is paramount and acting congruently when in the world with them is important too.

    As for the OMG vs YG debate here’s my quick take.

    Had I understood RP before I got married, I would have 50/50 not gotten married
    Had I understood it, the cynical part of RP might well have won, because lets face it, a good chunk of RP can make you quite cynical for a period of time, it’s hard to impute good intentions to a prospective life partner when you know the depths to which pretty much all humans will sink given the right circumstances.

    I can to RP once I had already self Betaized after 10 years of marriage. I went through my stages of grief etc.

    It’s now been say 3.5 years since the pill. My internals are waaaay better, I still have lots of work to do in other areas but it has brought a lot of peace to the home front. Like any peace the price is some degree of constant vigilance but on balance it’s worth it.

    Had I understood game when I got married, I would have had things under control all the way along, instead I only found it later, but I was able to implement it successfully even in difficult circumstances and it made things better for the entire family unit.

    Eventually you get to a point where you don’t think about it, you are just doing it. It can take patience and stamina and focus, but that’s what being a parent and a husband means anyhow regardless of which pill you are taking.

    Kids force you to grow up, period.

    Kids force you to get your shit together and prioritize.

    To be clear I am not shaming anyone who has no interest in kids, I am simply reporting my experience.

    Kids force you to deal with your own issues because otherwise you are going to project them straight onto the kids.

    They can actually be fun and turn out to be nice people to hang out with. I enjoy teaching which helps when you have two learning monsters in the house.

    I have a lot of faith in both of my children to adopt RP values and to be able to live by them with a good degree of conviction through their lives. I trust their ability to resist BP bullshit. If you are involved as a parent and I am very involved, you can have a massive influence on their thinking that will be very resilient over time. I focus my kids on science and objective reality as a base layer of understanding the world. RP dove tails into that because so often it accurately predicts outcomes in the real world, so they tend to see it as simply an extension of science and objective fact.

  74. My friend in his early 20’s came to me the other night for advice. He’s trying to get into a relationship with a girl that’s 18. Has his heart set on a monogamous relationship and isn’t interested in just casual sex.

    She’s fucked 9 guys/had 9 boyfriends. I was gobsmacked when I heard that. He said he feels like she’s above average in her N count but it’s really not that many guys compared to some other girls, and it’s not that bad. Like it was “a little above average.” He said most of her friends have only fucked 3 guys/had 3 boyfriends by this age.

    He hasn’t fucked her yet, and yet feels a very deep connection with her. This guy got chewed up and spit out years ago in a severe BPD relationship that lasted 3 years. I don’t think he’s ready for TRM yet, or TRP in general, but I’m trying to be a RP support as well as I can.

    He’s a good looking guy, believe it or not is a Natural to a degree, and is comfortable around women, and has SEVERAL other women who gave him their number and are interested in hooking up with him. I’m trying to convince him to just give hooking up a shot and to not let these other girls slip away, and also to prioritize himself and working hard and moving forward, which he’s been doing.

    He seemed receptive to that much, and it got him thinking.

    It felt good to be able to support him though, and having the RP knowledge I do, even if it’s limited and my experience is limited. Just wanted to drop that here.

    9 guys though, for real. At 18. I am living under a rock but that still sounds like a lot. She apparently is smoking hot and apparently is capitalizing on that to the fullest of her ability. She’s also told him she’s all about sexual consent and doesn’t believe in fucking people she’s not really serious about and in love with….

    ….(smacks forehead)

  75. In all honesty I think correcting women has to begin at home. It needs to come from Red Pill fathers raising daughters from a Red Pill aware perspective. It’s got to come from a bottom up methodology, and quite honestly I don’t think that can happen until more men become Red Pill aware and accept their new role of mentoring the next generations as well as unplugging Blue Pill men today.

    While it is well and good to correct women in your home, since women will follow male leading your effort at effecting actual broad change will come from working on the sons and nephews.

    When men are pushing back, women will respond…

  76. Some of you guys must live on another planet. All the guys in my sphere have completely succumbed to the FI. I know one other guy in real life that is what I would call red pill aware. I really hope there is a growing awareness out there but I just don’t see it. I see the world more as @cockhead does. The sooner it all collapses, the sooner we can rebuild.

  77. That’s another manosphere fault-line — the one between (i) can’t do jack, I’m just gonna relax poolside vs (2) can make some change on personal level, one at a time, slowly. You can embrace parts of both, as well, of course. But it’s a long-standing disagreement in attitude and philosophy that certainly won’t be resolved in this thread. It has been a disagreement for years.

  78. Disappointing day, nothing out today. Will go out again later.

    Know a guy in the city I am trying to move to. He’s got a place. Still working out details but it looks like I can share a place with him. Will be very cheap (half the price I’d pay for a place on my own), so I will have more money to use for going out and to have some to save up.

    Looks like I will work out most of this tomorrow. Hoping I can move this week so I can be there to go out for halloween. I know there is a bar a 5 min walk from this place, so that will be a great day 2 location.

  79. @hank holiday,
    “Not really overweight, just have general heath issues and need to get back to working out.”

    Sounds like you need a gym class. It’s a great way to get yourself out of the house and into a healthy routine. It doesn’t even matter what the class is about so long as it makes you sweat and is close enough you don’t go out of your way. I can’t force myself to do anything and that’s how I first got into martial arts, to have an exercise Nazi riding my ass.

    “Also ran on a treadmill but it messed up my knees so I stopped doing much of any exercise.”

    If bad knees are limiting you then water polo or something? Water exercises are easier on the joints while providing natural resistance to movement.

    “So, no, I’d rather not see TRM rent out any more space to MGTOW than is necessary…”

    It’s increasingly necessary. Open hypergamy will only accelerate the creation of ‘loser men’ in the SMV. This is an intentional goal of women, who need to destroy most men in order to identify the winners. No Red Pill perspective can be complete if it ignores the sex-motivated extermination/neutering of male humanity.

  80. @cockhead:

    Also, why unplug BP men and educate women?

    I understand the old pull-up-the-rope philosophy, and the let-it-burn, but think if Rollo had never published. Just figured out what was happening, used it for his own purposes, then put the formula in a drawer. A lot of guys here would still be screwed.

    Also as to why:
    @Agent P – family
    @softek – friends

  81. It is this quote from an earlier post (“For Better or Worse”)

    “My dream for my daughter is that she be in a loving relationship, and have a good ex-husband who really does a great job with the kids, 50 percent of the time.”

    that should strike fear into the hearts of men. Mothers who WANT their daughters to have divorces. Good ones, that is. Actually, I know mothers like this. And, I’m like, you want your child to be divorced???? You utter fool! You complete and utter femininst fantasy spinning fool. Mothers have been failing their daughters since the sixties. And the resultant dream is a “good” divorce, no longer a good marriage.

    That’s nowhere near the dream I have for my daughter. I’ve come to believe that sending a girl away to college is tantamount to child abuse. Allowing her to be a sheep among the wolves, WHEN YOU KNOW BETTER, is cruel negligence. Regardless of what kind of moral training she’s had, a parent must understand their child’s infallability and reduce (if not completely eliminate) their opportunity to fall.

    One of the current issues I see playing out is how long these women who were girls in the sixties are having to wait to become grandmothers. And it’s playing havoc with their own marriages. Instead of being busy doting upon grandchildren, they’re upset their husbands aren’t doing inane chores. And the careers they’re still working away at are not enough to satisfy them. They may have been smart enough to have children, but they missed the boat on planning for grandchildren.

    Now, it’s up to the mothers not to wish for an ex-husband to spend time with the children. It’s up to her to plan to spend time with her grandchildren. And what better way than the old model where families lived close together and kids could easily run between houses. I took a nap this afternoon and woke up to find my daughter had taken her dad down to look at the house. I’m pretty sure he’s thrilled to see that *his* child support hasn’t been wasted. She wants to have her kids be able to come to my house the same way she can walk to Grammie’s.

    I haven’t read the recent comments, but Mark and I did discuss this last night and he understands why men should avoid moving into a woman’s house and even detailed some examples from his own life of why. However, most instances were in atomized situations, where one party’s recourse outweighed the other’s. If there is an issue and the young man’s parents are there to support his side, well, then, that’s completely different. If it’s in a city and the woman is calling the cops on a guy because she can, that’s not good.

    I was reminded of a movie I saw long ago. Let me look up the title. The Young Victoria. That’s what it was. It’s about the marriage of Queen Victoria and Prince Albert. I remember a particular scene where they’re having an argument and she’s trying to pull rank on him (she is the queen, afterall) and he’s not having it. It occurs to me that every American woman is now the equivalent of Queen Victoria and the real challenge to men is: are your man enough to rule over a woman who rules over everyone else? He obviously moved into her house (castle), but he was the man in charge. The same is true in my house. And I don’t think it’s an easy thing to do, to be quite honest. Not many could pull it off. But I am absolutely devoted to my husband, and this description describes Victoria’s memorial:

    “She would survive her German husband for four decades and throughout that time wore only widow’s weeds of inky black.

    She ordered that none of Albert’s rooms – at Windsor castle, Balmoral or Osborne house on the Isle of Wight – should ever be changed.

    Every day she scattered fresh white flowers and cypress stems on top of his bed and knelt beside it to pray.

    More fresh flowers were placed on his desk each morning.

    The ink in his inkwell was renewed and his pen placed beside it.

    On a sofa were laid his hat, gloves and a fresh handkerchief. his watch was wound up.

    On his dressing table, a bowl was filled with water for shaving.”

    Touching, no?

    Even with a Trump win, I just don’t see the entire culture swinging back to a full-blown patriarchy. Women are going to misguidedly work (sold into it by couture Ivanka), they’re going to delay having children because of careers, and continue their app-le obsession picked from the Tree of Technology. And so, you must adapt to the new way and become Prince Alberts. It’s not a bad gig, if you can get it 🙂

  82. @Lost Patrol: Actually Rollo did everything just right. Get this info out there. Those who are ready will “get it”. But actually running around trying to actively unplug friends and associates, educate the masses, etc. is a futile effort. You might even get smashed as a result.

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