The Something Else

workaholic

New commenter batfish55 had a stroke of genius in this weeks post.

 I do blow hours on my XBox, but even if modern graphics weren’t amazing and there was no XBox, I’d find something else.

This is exactly what male-feminist concern troll bloggers and ‘Man Up and Marry those Sluts’ Pastors refuse to understand because it completely fucks up their feminine-centric rationales and ham-fisted Beta AMOGing attempts to shame men for the disincentives that their ‘perfect women’ represent to men. The constant drone is how video games are to blame for paralyzing men’s maturation – a maturation that is always merited by how well he serves the Feminine Imperative.

What they refuse to acknowledge is: If it wasn’t X-Box it would be something else.

Countless guys do this already, because on some level of consciousness they get that the cost-to-benefit equation isn’t rewarding with women. As I wind my way through the third book, I’ve read through countless articles written by thoroughly feminized men, all shaking their heads over the reasons for the generation of “Lost Boys” who are so inured by the instant gratification of hi-res graphic video games and free online porn they have no incentive to ‘grow up’ and fulfill some nebulous form of manhood idealized by whatever shifting definition of masculinity their feminized minds think is relevant in that moment.

These hacks are so fundamentally locked into their ego-investment in blank-slate, gender-neutral equalism that it never registers for them that if it weren’t X-Box or widely available online porn it would be something else.

Thus, we have generations of Men in the Garage who feel some desperate need to claw out a tiny space where they’re free to be men in a home they own. These men need something else that’s just marginally rewarding set apart from their unrewarding spouse. And even in this attempt at Male Space, women feel entitled to insert themselves into it or do something compensatory.

Thus, we have married men who’d rather become “workaholics” and pour themselves into their careers rather than rush home to the minimal reward that his wife represents, the negligible appreciation for him as a man or, at best, his answering to the male indenturement that he was taught he should find intrinsically rewarding. Instead, work becomes his something else that he occupies himself with.

And thus, we have men who’ve bought into the feminine-primary conditioning that their highest sense of reward ought to be found in fulfilling the ideals of Fempowerment who instead find that women’s solipsism and their own, life-long approach to appeasing it has instead driven them to find that something else more intrinsically and/or extrinsically rewarding.

It’s not just “lost boys” staring at X-Box, smoking weed and snapping their radish to free porn, those are just young guys being pragmatic in solving the cost-to-reward equation women give them. But married men, men of all walks of life, are solving that equation for themselves now. They’re forced to solve an equation presented to them by women who feel entitled to having their Hypergamous natures optimized and appeased, with no insight as to how disposable men might adapt to their conditions.

These aren’t lost ‘boys’, they are mature, relatively accomplished men responding to their condition.

Men are deductive problem solvers. Our mental firmware will consciously or unconsciously make attempts to solve problems within the context of what we consciously or unconsciously have presented for us. Blue Pill conditioned bloggers, distraught over the ‘lost boys’, aren’t concerned with these guys’ making something of themselves. What they White Knight over is the lack of suitable husbands to join them in their own indenturement. That, or they fret over the possibility that their empowered daughters might not have a suitable Beta ready to marry her once she’s “found herself” at the end of the Epiphany Phase. They argue from the feminine-correct perspective they’ve only ever known. Complacency, like misery, loves company, especially when it confirms the rationales men use in their own denial.

These pearl-clutching Vichy men can’t see the disincentives of forming long-term monogamous bonds with women that their ‘drop out’ generation boys are just pragmatically avoiding. It is indeed a form of Soft MGTOW, but what’s harder for these manginas to acknowledge is the Soft MGTOW that’s been a part of modern marriage for four decades now.

As an aside here I should mention that a foundational tenet of the Red Pill is that a man must always put himself and his passions at the forefront of his life, or as Roissy put it, you shall make your mission, not your woman, your priority. The something else I’m detailing here may in fact be a man’s genuine passion, but his impetus to engage (or over-engage) in it comes as a result of a need for escapism rather than genuine fervor for it. This is an important distinction because what formerly was a dynamic passion for a man can turn into an unrewarding refuge if his perception of it becomes one of escaping his reality.

Market Reset?

Reader Kaminsky had a question in that same comment thread:

How do we incentivize them? (honest question, not loaded snark)

—Do we incentivize by withdrawing?

—Or by becoming yet better men?

I sought to answer this question in Spare the Rod, but I neglected to use the examples from my post Bachelor Nation in that one. This was the video I based the Bachelor Nation essay on.

I’d like to think of this as an example of the sexual market correcting itself, but when you listen to the self-important, solipsistic reasonings as to why these women believe the most desirable men ought to alter their own sexual strategies, change their minds, and rewire their arousal cues to accommodate sub-optimal women such as themselves, you begin to see why MGTOW, even soft MGTOW is a pragmatic response.

The logic of today goes something like this: Alphas change behavior, women respond and Betas follow along to women’s response.

I would argue that Alphas change behavior, women do or do not adapt, and then Betas follow the dictates of the sexual market. Whether you consider them Alpha or in some way marginally desirable by the women in this video these men have taken it upon themselves to find their something else.

In this video you have an example of men who both withdraw and make themselves better men (even if just by assuming some degree of control over their place in the SMP), but the attitude on the part of women isn’t, “Oh shit, we’d better make ourselves more acceptable mates for these desirable men or they’ll outsource us to Brazil.” Instead it’s the same entitled response we expect from women raised in a feminine-primary social order, “These men betterchange to accommodate us! It’s our game they need to play or they’ll be ass-out when they get older and lonely.” It’s this or else it’s some variation of “I make my own damn money” and they end up with the hapless Beta who would accommodate her because he too was raised to fall in line with feminine-primacy.

In all honesty I think correcting women has to begin at home. It needs to come from Red Pill fathers raising daughters from a Red Pill aware perspective. It’s got to come from a bottom up methodology, and quite honestly I don’t think that can happen until more men become Red Pill aware and accept their new role of mentoring the next generations as well as unplugging Blue Pill men today.

We have a generation of women today who are the products of fempowerment and ‘participation trophy’ equalism. That they’d EVER need to self-correct in order to have a better man in their lives is never an afterthought. Look at the women in this video, they are genuinely shocked that guys would be independent enough to save their money and take it upon themselves to look for romantic options outside of their ‘approved’ roles that ought to be in their lives. They literally don’t get it, so they fall back on male shaming and call them ‘sex tourists’ which is one degree away from ‘human trafficking’.

These women are the products of the oblivious entitlement that’s come from a feminine-primary social upbringing that’s taught them women can do anything and be anything. They’re taught to expect men to be compliant with their sexual strategies, but yet be their SMV equal-or-better without any qualifications on their part other than to have a vagina.

I believe the market can correct itself, but it must come from the bottom up and that starts by raising daughters and mentoring young women into more realistic self-understanding and more realistic expectations from themselves and others. I can hear the cries of “well good fuckin’ luck with that”, but at some stage Red Pill aware men will need to have the courage to go against the fempowerement zeitgeist. While encouraging boys to become girls is lauded in today’s world I also understand that encouraging girls to be even marginally realistic or to recognize the realities that their gender necessitates they be concerned with is this side of child abuse.

If women are to be corrected it’s going to need to begin with Red Pill fathers educating their daughters from an early age. If not, their daughters will find a generation of young men who are already looking for something else before she meets them.

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Vektor
Vektor
5 years ago

The old model was linked to the old environment. Where the majority of women depended on men for protection and provision. There was respect for men in custom and in law. That is all gone.

“If women are to be corrected it’s going to need to begin with Red Pill fathers educating their daughters from an early age.”

Nothing wrong with encouraging appreciation, or at least less contempt, for men. However, the correction will come from the environment. We will have to wait and see how it changes.

Novaseeker
Novaseeker
5 years ago

The older ones ought to grasp the RP truths more easily, having seen all of it happen IRL; and only needing to have it pointed out.

Actually, most are way too set with ingrained ideas and inflexible in their thinking to adapt to a new worldview at these ages. It’s a broader issue than just RP — as people get older, most of them (not all, but most) get less flexible and open. Younger guys are much easier to reach for this reason.

rugby11
rugby11
5 years ago

https://www.nikochoski.com/2016/10/21/the-selfless-ego/
Another good read on observing the lizard brain.

SJF
SJF
5 years ago

“I haven’t read the recent comments, but Mark and I did discuss this last night and he understands why men should avoid moving into a woman’s house and even detailed some examples from his own life of why. However, most instances were in atomized situations, where one party’s recourse outweighed the other’s. If there is an issue and the young man’s parents are there to support his side, well, then, that’s completely different. If it’s in a city and the woman is calling the cops on a guy because she can, that’s not good.” Cool story Kate. Far be it… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
5 years ago

Geisha Kate
[ … ]
tl;dr
“Mark agrees with ME”

This is my surprised face…

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
5 years ago

Lost Patrol The older ones ought to grasp the RP truths more easily, having seen all of it happen IRL; and only needing to have it pointed out. Novaseeker pointed out a big truth. I’ll add. Search on “sunk cost fallacy”, people do that. Also recall from last year when several of us kicked around neuroplaticity, citing Biology of Desire. It’s well established that humans can learn new speaking languages much more easily when young, typically under the age of 12 to 15. Learning a new language over 30 is much more demanding, not impossible but demanding. If you think… Read more »

Lost Patrol
Lost Patrol
5 years ago

@Novaseeker, Anonymous Reader: I do follow your logic and analysis. The fact is I appreciate you commentaries throughout the ‘sphere when I find them. Certainly I have seen people struggle with change, and have been a man struggling with change. When I got access to the type of information Rollo and others have presented, my reaction was perhaps untypical in that I felt I was getting a look behind the curtain at some kind of “secrets of the universe.” It just all made sense compared to my whole life. I went through the requisite stages pretty fast and wound up… Read more »

cheupez
5 years ago

After watching the video up there it is hard for me to imagine how Israel will survive.

rugby11
rugby11
5 years ago

Where there is Reactivity there is a wound.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BDrDOx9LEn7/

https://www.instagram.com/p/BCHa8oQLEj_/

What we do not know controls us.

Keith
Keith
5 years ago

Well if we gonna talk about daughters let me say thank you TRM and and thank you regular committers that talk about pua. I have a19 year old that I was a strange too me . Me and her mother divorce when she was 10 and at 13 she stopped coming to see me. I kept a relationship with her thru a lot of effort on my part until she was 17. At 17 she threatens to sue me for extended child support. So I stopped trying to have any kind of friendship with my baby girl. Two years later… Read more »

Novaseeker
Novaseeker
5 years ago

She will be the 1st person in my entire family to have college degree and not to lose that over a husband. Husbands are a dime a dozen. I mean 1st husbands are for child support and paying off college loans and maybe a nice car. 2cd and 3rd husbands is where the real money’s at. Hey don’t hate the players hate the game.

This attitude of yours helps neither you, nor her, nor the men she will end up with, 1, 2, or 3. Of course, you must be trolling.

ollieoxenfree1
ollieoxenfree1
5 years ago

Men are losers without women. What good is red pill awareness if you have to play the game. Too many commenters like to pretend you can play the game by your rules and she will follow your lead. Forgetting the fact she could replace you at any time. The moment she does this you’re branded a loser. She wins by simply walking away. Men who want a house, car, retirement package and the occasional fvck without the risk of losing the former will have to learn to accept the loser tag. The winners will be those stuck in sexless marriages,… Read more »

Kaminsky
Kaminsky
5 years ago

@Uninvited Guest, “For starters, we shouldn’t be devoting any further bandwidth to silly acronyms like MGTOW when good old-fashioned “loser” is far more evocative of the truth. MGTOW are losers.” Thanks for that sizzling hot take. No one has ever used MGTOW bashing as a Trojan Horse for their own status-signalling needs before. Might want to copyright that. And congratulations on the bi-annual lay last night from your 190 pounder. Did it also occur within the two hour visual filing window of the teen cleavage at the mall? Fuck yeah, bro. Take that endorphin high to RM and run up… Read more »

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
5 years ago

A couple LTR FR’s (thanks sentient), Saturday morning 6 AM. She’s got her leg draped across me, so we make it a go 10-15 mins. Vanilla, two positions and I end up in missionary, which is fine with me. She orgasms first (I’m such the gentleman). She’s goes completely wet thus I enjoy the feel, keep it up slow and easy, show it physically, 65 bpm stroke tempo. Natural ebb and flow and all. Baby swinging in the womb. 5″ along I ask if she can cum again. She says flatly “No.” O.K… interesting as I’m inside her…. I keep… Read more »

Kaminsky
Kaminsky
5 years ago

@Novaseeker, (Poolside comment) “But it’s a long-standing disagreement in attitude and philosophy that certainly won’t be resolved in this thread. It has been a disagreement for years.” I think part of the disagreement comes from the opener conviction that poolside guys have given up and are lazy, weak or broken-spirited etc. A poolsider with agency could argue just the opposite when he sees his fat buddies sleepwalking at work on their way to a pension, hoping to suckle a few beers in the evening after the honeydos. My take is that dropping out of the collective is a wholly different… Read more »

anon
anon
5 years ago

So, Kate, from what you’ve revealed about your plans for your daughter on this thread I have gathered: 1) She must marry a townie, and his parents have to live in that town. 2) She must marry a man with no future plans outside of that town because that would take her away from you and your “help”. 3) She must marry a man who gives up on all plans if they happen to take his family outside of the home that satellite’s yours and his parents’. 4) She is (with your guidance) cultivating a heavy emotional investment in this… Read more »

anon
anon
5 years ago

Side note: Do you still advocate celibacy in marriage?

IAS
IAS
5 years ago

Check this part out in YaReally’s video

https://youtu.be/Pxah9s0GIW4?t=1302

Tyler goes
“Do you guys want to have children too?”
*crickets*
“What has happened with society?”

IAS
IAS
5 years ago

It is at 21:42 in the video, I thought I got the link at the right time but apparently not.

Colbert
Colbert
5 years ago

IMHO there is a difference between the “hard” MGTOW stuck in RP rage who insists that (all women are evil) and the “soft” MGTOW who has bothered to try to understand and ACCEPT hypergamy and to work through any bitterness. Some of the latter might prefer to avoid women because “he just seems to feel better when they’re not around”, while others might adopt some PUA/game. To me, the RP is about understanding women and game in general and using that knowledge in all social interactions along with positive masculine self improvement/direction. To my mind, PUA is more specifically geared… Read more »

Colbert
Colbert
5 years ago

For Mitch (if you’re lurking) and to all those “hard MGTOW” – The last and final scene from Revolver that I will post (I promise!):

[youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDWGEkfHX-E&w=560&h=315%5D

The Ego is bitch,

Namaste

DisgruntledEarthling
DisgruntledEarthling
5 years ago

@Kate
” At that point, the friend will move out, and the husband will move in while they save for a bigger house.”

No offense Kate, but doing that would be a huge loss of frame for the man. It should be the other way around.

DisgruntledEarthling
DisgruntledEarthling
5 years ago

Oops, I see others have picked up on that…

stuffinbox
stuffinbox
5 years ago

” Her hypergamy tells her that nice guys really do finish last and that this could be deadly for her and her children.esource scarcity, the nice guy would not ruthlessly make her and her children his number one priority to provide/protect. ” This is so true,weather concious or not{probably both}. One of the things I do is make sure she is present when I give out an ass chewing to a one way user,or write in a fine for the power up smart ass during billing.She loves this action. Another thing is not show her how beautifull and perfect my… Read more »

DisgruntledEarthling
DisgruntledEarthling
5 years ago

@hank “What are some good exercises just to be healthy. Not to build muscle or win beauty pageants, just a few simple things to do to be healthy and have higher energy levels. Secondly, and going along with that, what is the best thing for this. A few simple meals I can make that are cheap but also the best thing for being healthy.” If you can swim, then do that. Weight training is always a good thing to do – it’s not just for the muscles, As for food – Paleo diet. Google it. My base food now is… Read more »

newlyaloof
5 years ago

@YaReally, FR, didn’t score, but put two new bartender girls at two of my spots in the emotional bubble from asking what they will wear for Halloween. Shit is like crack. It spiked their attraction AND established an odd comfort between us. Did the same thing to a few new waitresses, and did the same thing to a few new cashiers this weekend. Next time I see these girls, I’m certain it will be as if we’ve established social circle acceptance with each other. Should be a more interesting 2nd meeting with these girls. Opening with this is super easy,… Read more »

Colbert
Colbert
5 years ago

@ Stuffinbox, “One of the things I do is make sure she is present when I give out an ass chewing to a one way user,or write in a fine for the power up smart ass during billing.She loves this action. Another thing is not show her how beautifull and perfect my work for other people turns out this only makes her jealous and makes me look like a wimp.” Interesting isn’t it how their minds work. @Newlyaloof, Years ago i had a halloween party at my place. I was dressed up as a Catholic priest and I had my… Read more »

anon
anon
5 years ago

Further thoughts (to Kate) on your “daughter must own home and stay there” idea. I’ve mentioned this before, vaguely, and called it “emotional investment”. I’ll elaborate. When a person is emotionally invested and has agreed to something, they are far more hesitant to back out. This is a tactic that salespeople are very familiar with (successful ones, anyway). That’s why terms and conditions often change during the course of a sale…the fine print is revealed, but people often agree anyway, and sign on even though they wouldn’t have if the terms were given up front before they agreed verbally and… Read more »

Novaseeker
Novaseeker
5 years ago

I think part of the disagreement comes from the opener conviction that poolside guys have given up and are lazy, weak or broken-spirited etc. A poolsider with agency could argue just the opposite when he sees his fat buddies sleepwalking at work on their way to a pension, hoping to suckle a few beers in the evening after the honeydos. That may be a part of the disagreement, but I think it’s a small one. The larger disagreement is that posts like this OP are, in the eyes of most poolsiders, worthless mental masturbation when they should be focused on… Read more »

stuffinbox
stuffinbox
5 years ago

Colbert

Yes interesting indeed,once I started to pay attention to these machinations,stopped trying to correct them rather accepted things for what they are and acted accordingly,life became a whole lot easier.

sfer
sfer
5 years ago

“I don’t think there’s anything that will get me banging my head on the keyboard faster and harder than someone saying, “I can’t afford to lose weight.””

pizza is cheap. low carb diets are expensive.

anon
anon
5 years ago

I ate only oatmeal for three weeks and lost weight (after my third pregnancy). I think it cost me about a buck a day. No, that’s not terribly healthy…it’s no lifestyle, but it did the job. Fast.

Eating nothing is free. Look at the folks in the REALLY poor countries.

sfer
sfer
5 years ago

According to the OED, a “couple” informally means “an indefinite small number”.

stuffinbox
stuffinbox
5 years ago

“pizza is cheap. low carb diets are expensive.”

The homeless walk 3miles and panhandle 2hrs,in order to afford 2slices of pizza.
Perhaps this together with the calories it takes to stay warm are why we don’t see many obese homeless people?

sfer
sfer
5 years ago

That seems silly but if you really mean two you just say two.

sfer
sfer
5 years ago

“The homeless walk 3miles and panhandle 2hrs,in order to afford 2slices of pizza.
Perhaps this together with the calories it takes to stay warm are why we don’t see many obese homeless people?”

You can lose weight by going into a calorie deficit eating crappy food. You are better off going low carb though.

The_Uninvited_Guest
The_Uninvited_Guest
5 years ago

@ Kaminsky Did I miss something, are we in couples therapy now? Listen, I want to apologize. Had I known the 190lber was your sacred cow, I wouldn’t have tipped her. No one needs to bash MGTOW — they’ve already been thrown out with the trash. They market tested their testes and came home to empty hands. The point I made pertained to the illusion of choice in the matter that MGTOW afford themselves. There’s very little difference between the MGTOW that talk in terms of making choices based on cost-benefit analyses and the stereotypical topless fatsos lumbering around anti-rape… Read more »

IAS
IAS
5 years ago

@YaReally: Another data point for the potential “pLTR” plan for guys having kids. I broke the URL in half so it doesn’t auto-paste it here in length. The tl:dr is this guy inadvertently implement that “split when kid is young” hypothetical YaReally wondered about. It seemed to work even though the guy didn’t plan for it. He banged 4 women, his wife apparently got together with a super BP guy, and now wants to resume the marriage. I think he could permanently demote her to plate / pLTR now, if he had enough Game (not sure he does). https://www.reddit.com/r/marriedredpill/ comments/58zez5/new_guy_here_try_to_keep_it_short_a_field_report/… Read more »

stuffinbox
stuffinbox
5 years ago

“You can lose weight by going into a calorie deficit eating crappy food. You are better off going low carb though.”

Protein builds muscle when combined with exercise,muscle burns carbs during exercise.
The key is to get more exercise than carbs until the desired results are achieved.

Your best energy food the night before the big contest is high carbs,this will make the muscle feel heavy but give it more stamina and strength,complex carbs are better.

There is no magic food you can eat to get in shape,only action.

sfer
sfer
5 years ago

@stuffinbox

Most people are just fat and they just need to diet down with exercise as an afterthought.

If you are even in a big contest you are way better off than 90%.

Gunner Q
5 years ago

Lost Patrol “The older ones ought to grasp the RP truths more easily, having seen all of it happen IRL; and only needing to have it pointed out.” The logic is sound. My own life experiences made red-pilling in my late 30s as swift and easy, if similarly unpleasant, as yours. If it was just inertia then there would be a lot of “yeah, you’re right but I gotta be me”. What we see instead is such heavy ego investment that many BPers will go out of their way to prove us wrong. It’s either Soviet-style programming or matriarchy as… Read more »

theasdgamer
5 years ago

@Keith

She is a force of nature

Hope you don’t want grandchildren.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
5 years ago

Uninvited_Guest No one needs to bash MGTOW — they’ve already been thrown out with the trash. They market tested their testes and came home to empty hands Generalize much? Some of the frivorced men (a) fathered one or more children (b) did all the things that they were told to do (c) wound up with a wife who wasn’t haaaaapy (d) are now single, but not by their own choice, and held in contempt by the likes of you. As a result they avoid women; once burned, twice shy. Do they qualify as MGTOW in your simplistic little world? I… Read more »

stuffinbox
stuffinbox
5 years ago

“Most people are just fat and they just need to diet down with exercise as an afterthought.” The best way to diet down is to cut all sugar,corn syrup,vegetable oil,and excess salt. Honey is ok,fruit is ok,veggies are ok,butter is good.it takes less body heat to burn animal fat than it does to burn margarine.Salt ruins stomach acid,a little is good we need electrolites.Sugar feeds candida,and carries fat to the surface.Pro biotics or sugar free yogurt acidophilus all aid in digestion while helping to rid us of excess candida from toooo much sugar. Exercise is the place to start,setting goals… Read more »

IAS
IAS
5 years ago

@KFG and others on the exercise and nutrition topic. 1. What do you think of this bodyweight routine: http://www.startbodyweight.com/p/exercise-progressions_12.html And specifically, do you have a good suggestion for replacing Deadlifts (the guy on that website doesn’t) when there is no access to the gym? 2. What protein / carb / fat ratios do you suggest for lifting / bw exercise days, and for resting days? I have been tracking macros (24 hour cycle, not timing them so much) and finding it tricky to get a lot of protein in without racking up too many carbs or fat and also not… Read more »

anon
anon
5 years ago

What’s wrong with eating fat?

Blaximus
5 years ago

Re: ” Losers “, I happen to agree that in life there are indeed winners and losers. I define a loser by his attitude. I’ve lost at plenty of shit during life, but I’ve never ever accepted and embraced the loss. I went back to the drawing board and learned how to win. I do not agree at all with any measure of mgtow, but guys can ultimately do whatever they want to do. But imo, your attitude will define whether you are winning or losing at life. Full stop. I personally do not ever cosign the ” it’s too… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
5 years ago

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EhIntellect

Very smooth… Mastery + Ballz = Happiness

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
5 years ago

sfer Most people are just fat and they just need to diet down with exercise as an afterthought. Once I would have agreed. But really “going on a diet” implies a temporary change to achieve a goal. So once the pounds are gone, and someone is maybe “swimsuit ready” then the “diet” goes away. Great way to yo-yo weight. Most people are just fat. They need to change how the eat and also get more exercise, starting with walking. The “change how they eat” part needs to be pretty much permanent – don’t eat some candy on Nov. 1 and… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
5 years ago

Gunner Q It’s either Soviet-style programming or matriarchy as religion. I tend towards the latter because BP people deny reality and ruin their own kids with such beliefs… only religion can really do that. A lot of the older traditional-conservative men that I interact with, especially the churchgoing ones, are like caricatures of the Victorians. Heavy on the pedestalization of women, but no pushback against feminism beyond an opposition to abortion and maybe grumbling about women in combat arms. The “tradtion” they “conserve” is almost always whatever was sort of common when they were 20-somethings. So all too often tradcons… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
5 years ago

This is better Rugby

https://www.instagram.com/p/BD5twu1rEr6

Beta can be learned… Alpha can be unlearned.

Novaseeker
Novaseeker
5 years ago

So all too often tradcons “conserve” feminism of the 70’s, or the 80’s, or now of the 90’s. Yep, why they are useless. They conserve the gains of the left, and then call themselves different — they’re just lackeys, and mostly unwitting. Bunch of fools. What we need is an actual right wing. Not an alt right woman worshiping WN BS nonsense. But an actual right wing. Actual reaction. Fat chance it will succeed in our political system, but to be honest there isn’t any current right wing option — there’s the progressives, who drive the bus, and the conservatives,… Read more »

sfer
sfer
5 years ago

“Once I would have agreed. But really “going on a diet” implies a temporary change to achieve a goal. So once the pounds are gone, and someone is maybe “swimsuit ready” then the “diet” goes away. Great way to yo-yo weight. ” I agree. you have to permanently stick to a diet or the pounds come back on. To me that is another reason to go low carb- it is easier to stick to and doesn’t require the mental overhead of some other diets. But, it certainly isn’t the only way. Lots of people think “I want to lose weight”… Read more »

rugby11
rugby11
5 years ago

Sensei Rollo
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dEtUu3mESoc
Went back to the my home to take care of my nephew and we played with masculine vigor.
This blog and your work has transformed a dead man into a waking councious caring one. Who has built self interest into his fiber with about the social shame and anxiety and guilt.
Best

rugby11
rugby11
5 years ago

*without

rugby11
rugby11
5 years ago

Before LA confidential
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2QsJCzXTH0
“Lynn Bracken: Some men get the world. Others get ex-hookers and a trip to Arizona.”

Giulia: [sexually aroused while kissing Marcello on a couch] If you want… want to…
Marcello: If I want to…?
Giulia: Yes, right here… on the floor… on the carpet… Want to?
Marcello: Better think about the priest. He may not grant absolution.
Giulia: They grant everyone absolution.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzHyXhTlT90

Agony and ecstasy of red pill awareness…

Yollo Comanche
Yollo Comanche
5 years ago

@Blax I wouldn’t say it’s too hard. I’d say it’s just guys don’t understand what they’re up against. They get brought up thinking first and foremost that someone’s gonna want their worthless degrees, Someone who can give them something to do. Totally Beta, with tons of intrasexual cock measuring thrown in and the rest of us just throw up our hands and go “Hey, not my problem, I’m civilized”. Add to that a generation of parents who swear they never saw this coming, yet want to stick their noses up at the concerns of the youth and you have what’s… Read more »

Yollo Comanche
Yollo Comanche
5 years ago

@sfer

Have you read a book called Body for Life by Bill Philips? It’s the only one you’ll ever need for fitness. I promise you.

sfer
sfer
5 years ago

Having a baby sharply lowers your T levels:

http://www.foxnews.com/health/2011/09/13/fathers-testosterone-drops-steeply-after-baby-arrives.html

Especially, if you hang around your kid a lot. It is not the end of world. Babies are good.

rugby11
rugby11
5 years ago

Unmet Childhood needs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qs7WlRnLNE4

A mission (Self improvement)

Agent P
Agent P
5 years ago

Just do lots of squats picking shit up around the house while holding the baby, your t levels will come right back I swear.

Makes sense your t level drops or else you’d probably kill the little fucker in the first week between the covkblocking and the constant screaming

sfer
sfer
5 years ago

“Have you read a book called Body for Life by Bill Philips? It’s the only one you’ll ever need for fitness. I promise you.”

that book looks good. I need to do something different. I am plateauing/declining in the gym.

rugby11
rugby11
5 years ago

@sfer
https://www.movnat.com/

hank holiday
hank holiday
5 years ago

Okay, so to recap Been trying to move to this new city for well over 7 months. In that time, I get three (count ’em 3) interviews. Thats it. For the first two, I have old ladys run into me on the way to the interview. I’ve been driving for about 15 years, and never had an accident at all. Not once. Then, exactly on the way to the interview, I get into an accident. Then just a few months later, another accident. No accidents for almost 20 years, then get in them twice in a row, in the span… Read more »

sfer
sfer
5 years ago

I used to be more active. I lived in CA and would surf and skateboard. I moved to an area where that is harder to do. I have not picked up any new activities. I tried Indoor Climbing for a bit which was fun but I don’t really have the right body type and I was getting troubling joint pain.

sfer
sfer
5 years ago

@hank holiday

Don’t mean to give you a hard time, but your subconscious is trying to undermine you for some reason. You are probably conflicted about the move and your subconscious is trying to help you out by blocking the move. You have to task your subconscious with solving your issues somehow.

theasdgamer
5 years ago

@sfer ) get rid of drinks with sugar It’s easier and effective to replace ordinary pop with diet pop…I put one teaspoon of sugar and saccharin (the pink packets) into the pop and it tastes almost the same as pop with 8 teaspoons of sugar. 22 cals instead of 180. Exercise is best done throughout the day for us older types (e.g., 20 pushups done 5x throughout the day). And you can exercise just fine with bodyweight exercises and barbells if you can’t afford a gym membership. I agree with @Rollo that it’s good to put your muscles to use… Read more »

constrainedlocus
5 years ago

Interestingly, the ongoing published shaming of men in this area of concern seems to pinball to and fro between five (5) causes: 1. Video games 2. Internet porn 3. Drugs 4. Co-habitating with parents 5. All of the above This month, the focal point of this social crisis has apparently shifted to causes 1 and 3, according to new study released by Princeton’s Alan Krueger: http://fortune.com/2016/10/17/work-force-participation-vicodin-and-call-of-duty/. Causes 2, 4 and 5 all have a bye week, I guess, until the next article of righteous indignation is published of course. Not only are these same shaming tactics employed over and over… Read more »

Random Angeleno
Random Angeleno
5 years ago

Denninger at Market Ticker has written a lot about low carb and puts himself forward as an excellent example of more or less permanent weight control. Not just a diet, literally a way of life. I’ve noticed I’m not as hungry as often as I used to be and my stamina for dancing the night away has improved some. Though I could still stand to push the iron more often. @hank, why does it have to be *that* particular larger city, why not a different one? no need to answer that one here, just something for you to think about.… Read more »

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

@IAS:

Quick, short answers:

http://www.alkavadlo.com/body-weight-exercises/bodyweight-deadlift-alternatives/

” . . . finding it tricky to get a lot of protein in without racking up too many carbs or fat . . .”

That is the origin of the standard bro cutting diet of skinless chicken breast and broccoli.

“Should we really be eating lean meat every single day?”

When cutting, yes.

Fred Flange, Xisself
Fred Flange, Xisself
5 years ago

Lest we forget – another WaPo piece on why single moms are the best but don’t call her that cos it’s “problematic” (SJW shaming term duly noted). She is to be called a Mother goddammit and she and her boy don’t need no man:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/soloish/wp/2016/10/19/yes-im-a-single-mother-but-please-dont-call-me-that/

In case our dear Uninvited Van needed reminding of why men are choosing The Something Else. Well why not? And once again note the disconnect between shaming grasseater exiles for not being good beta bucks, vs. what this article posits: You have nothing to offer us. We women do not need you.

Random Angeleno
Random Angeleno
5 years ago

@asdgamer: really should get rid of *all* processed sugar, period. I was once addicted to Coke and Pepsi when the internet company I once worked for stocked sodas in the break room fridge for everyone. At least 3 a day, sometimes up to 6. So for a New Year’s resolution, I resolved to cut sodas out cold turkey fashion. Took me at least two weeks of fighting the craving, fight the temptation to open that fridge every time I passed the break room, fight the temptation to fill up my soft drink cup with soda instead of unsweetened iced tea… Read more »

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

Addendum:

Optimum protein intake is circa twice the government RDA, which is based on not falling into a medical deficit, which is circa half the bro RDA, which is based on the “bulk and cut” model.

But going a bit over optimum won’t hurt, it’ll just cost you a bit more money than necessary, as protein is the most expensive nutrient.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
5 years ago

@constrainedlocus

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Andy
Andy
5 years ago

“Just jesus fuck, what the motherfuck do you have to do to get out of this place?”

lol, Pick a city you like. You can move anywhere. Most big cities have tons of inexpensive little places to make life living there a lot cheaper. Even New York.

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

“They conserve the gains of the left . . .”

Hence the current meme: They couldn’t even conserve a ladies restroom.

re The Conformist by Bernardo Bertolucci.

The Italians have always had an edge in “just getting it.”

rugby11
rugby11
5 years ago
Reply to  kfg

Kfg
It’s what built Coppola to shoot each scene as a signature from this one. The thing about this picture is that it’s so brutal in the social society that demands ignorance or normalcy.

For anyone over 40 and wants to keep a high testosterone level.
https://lostempireherbs.com/product/pine-pollen/

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

“Most big cities have tons of inexpensive little places to make life living there a lot cheaper. Even New York.”

NY and SF have some of the most expensive and cheapest living you can find, depending on the “lifestyle” you choose.

Go SF if you’re a cynic, NY if you’re a stoic.

hank holiday
hank holiday
5 years ago

@sfer Don’t mean to give you a hard time, but your subconscious is trying to undermine you for some reason. You are probably conflicted about the move and your subconscious is trying to help you out by blocking the move. okay that makes no sense lol. if I was conflicted, I wouldn’t have dumped so much time in trying to make things work out. I would have just given up, or procrastinated in finding that apartment. what do I personally have to do with them giving away my job? I was set on moving down there in the next few… Read more »

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
5 years ago

@constrainedlocus The missus desires a duplicitous life of fun ‘n games of wild bedroom behavior and party with periods of sanctimonious purity. No less than once a month (hm, oddly regular) she’ll lament (and impugn me) that the good times are poisoning our path to heaven and a poor example to the kids. She’ll demand I account for her bad behavior (I’m always chasing you, you never respect me) and in the next breath want all the hot kink to remain. I just accept it. Birds gotta fly, fish gotta swim. She’s stopped, for the most part, meddling in my… Read more »

Kate
Kate
5 years ago

A son-in-law with red pill knowledge will be essential. But we don’t ask for him to appear to us in perfect form. He’ll likely receive guidance from Mark in how to handle our spirited gal 🙂 The trouble is most young people (and even some of the commenters here) are still buying into the idea that there is something better “out there” than in one’s hometown. Friends are better than family, money will make you happy…all the usual fallacies. A few years back when I tried dating, I spoke with many men who had returned to my town after living… Read more »

hank holiday
hank holiday
5 years ago

as for the “just go to another city.”…there’s really not other large cities in the area I live. to go to an area I am somewhat interested in will take a huge chunk of money that I simply don’t have. then I will have to find a place to stay…which will eat up more money…then wait an hope to get a job..which I am not at all confident in given what all has happened. my plan was to move to this closer city when I already have a job offer on the table, use it to get better job experience… Read more »

sfer
sfer
5 years ago

@Random Angeleno “really should get rid of *all* processed sugar, period. I was once addicted to Coke and Pepsi when the internet company I once worked for stocked sodas in the break room fridge for everyone. At least 3 a day, sometimes up to 6. So for a New Year’s resolution, I resolved to cut sodas out cold turkey fashion.” Same for me. 5-6 cans a day. Unsweetened ice tea is the best. Lots of times it is a cross-addiction with caffeine and it takes a couple weeks before it seems normal. @hank holiday If I am wrong, I am… Read more »

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

“He’ll likely receive guidance from Mark in how to handle our spirited gal” Because, for some reason, this most desirous of males not only lacks a house of his own, but a father of his own as well, necessitating getting advice on women from a man who couldn’t avoid a middle aged, single mother whose ex lives across the street. Keep digging, your hole’s doing just fine. “I constantly rely on his wisdom as a sixty-one year old man to confirm the priorities of our lives.” While evading the challenges of another who is the current king of his ancestral… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
5 years ago

@sfer Sugar Once wound up with an office mate who stacked his empty Dr. Pepper cans up as kind of trophy wall. It grew and grew beside his desk. It hit me that I was slamming almost as much of the stuff as he was, so I bought a cheap water-boiler and switched to hot tea. Unsweetened ice tea is the best. Lots of times it is a cross-addiction with caffeine and it takes a couple weeks before it seems normal. Caffeine is a necessity sometimes, like in the fluro-lit, windowless world full of computer displays where many people spend… Read more »

Blaximus
5 years ago

@ AR

” Especially HFCS, which appears to be almost designed to drive the average human into adult-onset aka Type II diabetes ”

Absolute, 100% truth.

…and it’s in practically everything that is in a box or bag and processed. That, and alarming amounts of salt.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
5 years ago

Geisha Kate A son-in-law with red pill knowledge will be essential. But we don’t ask for him to appear to us in perfect form. He’ll likely receive guidance from Mark in how to handle our spirited gal The rich, deep, aroma of irony in this current exposition can only be fully appreciated by those who were reading comment on this site back in the days when Mark Minter was posting comments here. Big comments. Wall-o-text comments. No, I don’t want to re-read those either, just remember the overall tone… Because if there’s anything a young, 20-something engaged or newly married… Read more »

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

I’ll go along with Lustig on HFCS. There is no measurable difference between sucrose and HFCS, metabolically. The problem is that it is so much cheaper that it is added by the shovel full to just about everything. So if you eat the so called SAD (which is the real FadD), you are by default eating far more sugar than your ancestors, even those who ate in the modern, processed food idiom (which began circa 1911 with the introduction of Crisco to the market). When talking about diet I tend to use the word “sugar” to denote anything that ends… Read more »

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
5 years ago

I accept my daughter’s impending hypergamous nature. She doesn’t need to be a clueless bitchy brat though. If she enters sexual life understanding what’s at stake (more partners = more dysfunction in life, mentally, socially), that’s pretty good. “Can she bake a cherry pie, Billy boy” ain’t just a diddy, it’s a window into what girls, my daughter included, should deem valuable entering a relationship. Serving and literally feeding men’s best natures, men will value her as she truly wants regardless the poisonous culture. Her beautiful light will burn strong, RP men desire this and will protect her from nastiness.… Read more »

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Random Angeleno
Random Angeleno
5 years ago

@kfg, the potato, yes the ordinary potato: they’re one of the worst things a diabetic can eat as they have a higher glycemic index than raw sugar. Look it up. Limited potato consumption might be okay for those who aren’t overweight or worse, but they’re definitely blood sugar disasters for pre-diabetics as well as full diabetics. If you gotta have potatoes, sweet potatoes are not quite as bad, a diabetic can have a few bites of that, but that’s it. Or better yet, yams: these are okay for diabetics as they have a much lower glycemic index than either potatoes… Read more »

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

re Mark Minter:

I never really gave Mark any shit back in the day, but the more Kate writes, the more evident it becomes how much he deserved all of it he got, and more. She’s not only digging her own hole, but Mark’s as well.

The Geisha model is an interesting one. It was essentially the “Full Walking Waifu Experience,” including the demand that men have fidelity to their geisha, which is what gave the geisha the plausable deniability against the charge of being prostitutes.

scray
scray
5 years ago

@all

love this vid oldie but goodie

feminist lesbian tries going undercover as a man for a year and a half…
….ends up checking into hospital with severe depression because of how harsh it is

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
5 years ago

kfg I’ll go along with Lustig on HFCS. Got pointer / reference? There is no measurable difference between sucrose and HFCS, metabolically. If I remember correctly, sucrose has to be broken down into glucose and fructose in the duodenum before it can enter the bloodstream, whereas fructose is absorbed directly into the bloodstream during digestion from the stomach. So fructose hits the blood sooner/soonest, spiking insulin that much quicker. Therefore HFCS is even more efficient than sucrose in jacking up insulin. And yet, it doesn’t taste as good. I don’t drink soda now except for in mixed drinks, and making… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
5 years ago

Man, how obvious is it ? Even Harvard gets a clue?

http://www.health.harvard.edu/heart-health/abundance-of-fructose-not-good-for-the-liver-heart

The human body handles glucose and fructose — the most abundant sugars in our diet — in different ways. Virtually every cell in the body can break down glucose for energy. About the only ones that can handle fructose are liver cells. What the liver does with fructose, especially when there is too much in the diet, has potentially dangerous consequences for the liver, the arteries, and the heart.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
5 years ago

I accept my daughter’s impending hypergamous nature. She doesn’t need to be a clueless bitchy brat though. If she enters sexual life understanding what’s at stake (more partners = more dysfunction in life, mentally, socially), that’s pretty good. Future-time orientation vs. right-now orientation is what matters. It probably explains why in heteros the 15 to 25 year age group tends to be the cohort with the highest inicidence of std’s. Use whatever tools you have; point to bad examples, point to good examples, stories from your own family, etc. to imprint in her that actions have consequences, and “look before… Read more »

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

“Got pointer / reference?” His viral video that sparked the whole thing off: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM You’ll have to watch a bit carefully for where he says sucrose and HFCS are the same thing, and that fructose is valuable in certain situations, but he makes the case explicitly and points out that the real problem is the low cost, and thus the ubiquity and volume of, HFCS. He makes some errors and one could pile on caveats, but most of them make no never mind to his basic argument. My childhood was spent in that window after WWII when factory foods became… Read more »

Dionysus
Dionysus
5 years ago

The MGTOW / PUA schism needs to end and we need to start seeing each other as part of one spectrum predicated upon engagement vs dis-engagement from women and the game. I’ve spent months completely on one end and months completely on the other and for reasonable amounts of time I’ve occupied multiple positions on the spectrum simultaneously (my work demanded it). What can I say, call me lazy or whatever you want but I know I’m not a type A individual and definitely not a natural extrovert, I need my downtime to recharge and allow my creative juices to… Read more »

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

@Dionysus:

Stop talking sense!

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