Alpha Widows

As today’s Purple Pill Manosphere tries to sort out what it wants to pick and pull from ideas the Red Pill has been debating for decades now it requires a lot of deliberate misdirection of the old concepts they struggle with. This is actually nothing new. If you look at any of the exchanges I had with Aunt Giggles (Susan Walsh ret.) or various notables from the golden years of this blog you’ll recognize the pattern – Distort the premises of the concepts that conflict with your ego-investments, straw man them, then offer some redefinition of what they ‘really’ mean.

One of these maligned concepts is the phenomenon of the Alpha Widow. I’ve written extensively on this idea for well over a decade now. I’m fairly certain I even coined the term back in my SoSuave days. Back then Alpha Widow was a designation we used to describe a woman’s tendency to become fixated on an Alpha lover she had in her Party Years and still pined for him into her 30s or 40s after marriage. We didn’t just pull the idea out of our asses back then. We came to it because of the overwhelming number of married or LTR men who reported that their wife or girlfriend were pining for old lovers they thought were “the one that got away” or they left them to pursue a new relationship with an old flame.

Back then it was just a useful reference, but it quickly became such a predictable and confirmable phenomenon I thought it deserved more investigation. I mentioned Alpha Widows in The Slut Paradox but it was around this time that Roissy (Heartise) had proposed a simple maxim: 5 Minutes of Alpha Trumps 5 years of Beta. That’s when I decided to look deeper in my own short essay Five Minutes of Alpha. With a Red Pill Lens I began to see this Alpha Widow narrative played out in popular culture. Katy Perry had a song out then called The One That Got Away and it accurately described everything that goes into making an Alpha Widow.

What is an Alpha Widow?

To understand the phenomenon of the Alpha Widow we must look at women’s evolved mating strategy – Hypergamy, a woman’s intrinsic desire to balance the best quality sexual/reproductive male with the best provisioning/parentally invested male. Since a woman’s mating strategy centers on quality in a long term partner(s) women tend to focus on ideals in men. The imperative drive for mate quality extends to both sides of women’s Hypergamous equation; the best genetic, sexual experience and the best long term security potential. Only women are Hypergamous, and Hypergamy never seeks its own level – it is always seeking a better-than-merited exchange in SMV compared to her own. For more information on this concept read False Equivalencies.

When a woman misses the opportunity to consolidate on a confirmed, high SMV (sexual market value) male that man becomes the new standard for what she believes she can attract as a potential mate.

“I’ve had an SMV 8 guy before so in the future no man below an 8 will be my optimal choice.”

Even if a woman’s perception of her own SMV isn’t realistic her Id wants what it believes it can get.

The setting of a mating strategy metric in men is largely a subconscious process for women, but, more often now, high-ego women do consciously acknowledge that one man does (or doesn’t) meet the SMV benchmark of a previous lover. As women have become more comfortable in embracing Open Hypergamy, amongst their girlfriends, on social media, they will readily debate this SMV metric of past boyfriends. The Alpha Widow dynamic is no secret among women. Usually this involves women bemoaning the lack of “eligible” men in their lives when their prime SMV years are behind them. Please note that eligible implies an entitlement to a man who would be an ideal.

This qualification process is a constant for women, and it’s a complement to mens’ Burden of Performance. Women’s Hypergamous filtering process evolved from an Existential Fear of pairing with any man beneath her own (self-perceived) SMV and risking her life on a bad reproductive bet.  The worst existential prospect for a woman is to have her mating strategy superseded and controlled by that of a suboptimal man. 

The flip side to this dynamic is that, evolutionarily speaking, a woman’s subconscious cannot afford to miss out on an optimal Hypergamous pairing. If a woman’s Existential Fear is to be forced to reproduce with a lesser man, the next fear is to lose or miss out out on the opportunity to consolidate on monogamy with a high SMV man. When I talk about how a woman will make rules for Betas, but break rules for Alphas this is the root of that principle. 

As such, a man who exceeds a woman’s SMV, and creates a benchmark of her ‘personal best’ ideal male to breed with and parentally invest with, makes a significant impact on her psyche; sometimes in the long term. When a woman has had this man – one for whom she has genuine, organic desire for – but she cannot consolidate on him (i.e. lock down in monogamy), this represents a critical loss of the ideal Hypergamous/Reproductive/Life strategy option. Mentally this is what a woman will strive in some way to recreate with subsequent men in her life – a return to that ideal state.

This then is the basis of the Alpha Widow:
A mental fixation on the man who made the most significant impact upon a woman as her Hypergamous ideal.

The Fantasy Ideal

Usually this male ideal is an actual man from her past with whom she had some sort of relationship with, but not always. Sometimes the fantasy of that ideal will make a mental impression and sometimes a brief, seemingly insignificant, encounter with an ideal man may be enough to imprint on her psyche. 

Five Minutes of Alpha Trumps Five Years of Beta.

Sometimes the smallest brush with an ‘alpha’ male is enough to trigger the ‘what if?’ possibilities of consolidating on a guy like that. This might be one-night sex, the one guy in the foam cannon party on spring break in her wilder college years, or even just a missed opportunity to fully develop a hoped-for connection at a social gathering. The ‘Missed Connections’ forum on Craig’s Lists are filled with these regrets. All that matters is that the guy, knowingly or not, instilled a sense of Hypergamous urgency that she just knew represented a prospect for consolidating on that ideal.

An Alpha Widow can also be ‘widowed’ from the fantasy of her ideal male. This is fairly common among women who marry early in their Party Years. Most feel like they missed out on having made a good Hypergamous choice (or had it made for them by circumstance or social pressures). That missed opportunity leads some women to be widowed from the fantasy of an Alpha who would have been a better choice. Thus, an ideal Alpha mental model is what she pines for. An interest in romance literature is usually exaggerated in this type of widow. The formulaic stories are a form of vicarious fulfillment of an unrealized Hypergamous ideal. I should also add, this this widow, when married, is a prime demographic audience for divorce porn fantasies.

In any of these instances what’s at issue is the fact that women’s mating strategy always moves them towards a “better-than-merited” SMV exchange and a psychological fixation on the man, or the type of man who best embodies it. It’s as if a woman’s Id is imprinted with the model of the optimal Hypergamous pairing (evolution-wise a life or death proposition) and believes that only in recreating it will that male again save her life. This is the source of that unconscious pining.

Social Enabling of the Alpha Ideal

In 2019 it has never been easier for a woman to explore her reproductive options with an ever-increasing pool of potential Alphas from which to be widowed from. Since the Sexual Revolution western cultures have done little else than facilitate women’s mating strategies. In terms of “sexual liberation” the goal has always been to ensure provisioning and support – the Beta Bucks side of Hypergamy – in order to give women the impression that they have an indefinite window of time in which to find their optimal Alpha man. We see this reflected in the age of first marriages getting older and older. And in the age of social media women take for granted that they can remain sexually viable if not indefinitely, then at least as long as a man would. This facility exacerbates the Alpha Widow effect.

Women will fixate on the “one that got away”, but today we have social conventions in place to pander to that predictable insecurity in women. In fact, there are numerous industries that now thrive on exactly this.

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I should add here that the very concept of a soulmate began with women pining for their bygone ideal man. That ‘One’ is much easier to justify cheating with, or agonizing over, if you mix in the metaphysical to aid in rationalizing it. The popularity of Fifty Shades of Grey and Eat, Pray, Love also find their root in the Alpha Widow dynamic. Popular culture tells women they are entitled to that ideal soulmate; and the only way they can remain true to themselves, the only way to live their best lives (even the life they believe God meant for them), is to pursue the ‘ONE that got away.’

The Plan B mating strategy is another social convention that forgives women of the consequences of pursuing that Alpha ideal while concurrently holding on to her next best male option. And lastly, the ongoing normalization of a female-initiated Polyandry is also a social convention predicated on allowing women to hedge their Hypergamous bets with respect to finding that Hypergamous ideal mate.

Misconceptions

The following are a couple of the more common misconceptions critics like to presume is meant by “Alpha Widow”. For the most part these are attempts to straw man the phenomenon with no real interest in how anyone came to understanding the dynamic. 

Alpha Widows are the result of “players” who fiendishly used these poor impressionable women before they left them high & dry

Blue Pill conditioned White Knights in particular use this to build their own heroic narrative around women. Of course, not all women are victims of the Alpha they were widowed by. The first part of this misconception is the presumption that no woman would volunteer for her own widowing; the second is that an Alpha “Player” was implicit in his motives to thoroughly imprint himself upon her. The truth is that any seduction requires a willing participant (Art of Seduction, Greene) and in accordance with women’s mating strategy women will eagerly participate in their own seduction. These are Alpha Widows, not rape survivors. 

The misconception is that the woman being widowed was somehow traumatized by her former lover. The truth is that the more positive the experience was for her the more impactful the widowing is likely to be. If women didn’t think fondly of the “one that got away” she wouldn’t be an Alpha Widow in the first place. The emotional despair some women feel over that Alpha is usually the result of having missed pairing in the long term with a better prospective man than the lesser man she settled on by necessity. 

This is an easy misconception for most Blue Pill men to follow along with because often enough women will refer to their ‘asshole ex boyfriend(s)’ as the man (men) who was responsible for her being damaged. Women in their Epiphany Phase will usually incorporate into it some narrative of their having been used by the Bad Boy Jerk who came before the Nice Guy Beta they found it necessary to settle on. This damaged narrative then locks in with a woman wanting to “do things the right way this time”. Women will often use this narrative as a failsafe to excuse their hesitancy to be as sexually available to the Beta as she was with the Alpha she was widowed from. So, you get a Saving the Best situation for the Nice Guy in the relationship and he’s apt to believe her claims of being damaged by the asshole who had her before he did.

Self-righteous Beta men love this damaged by the Player narrative because it allows them constant opportunities to prove to his woman how positively different he is compared to the asshole Alpha she’s still covertly pining for.

• “Alpha Widows” are just men making shit up and thinking the worst of women because they’re bitter and burned.

Yes, it is entirely possible that despondent Incels may exaggerate the phenomenon of the Alpha Widow to rationalize their giving up on women. This still doesn’t invalidate phenomenon. This misconceptions is generally dropped by critics of the Red Pill who’d rather attack the source than have to address a concept that rattles their comfortable Blue Pill understanding of women. That said, I understand how it might be convenient to disqualify the concept based on the bitterness of the individual piecing together why his wife or girlfriend still seems to be having a relationship with her ex even if just in her head. Self-loathing Incels will then use this as an excuse to give up for the same reason they believe Hypergamy is this insurmountable obstacle to their connecting with juice they don’t want to bother squeezing for.

For the record, no, not all women turn into Alpha Widows. All women are Hypergamous, but buffers and learned self-control have historically been the checks and balances needed to protect against this Alpha Widow dynamic. The problem is that these buffers are popularly considered sexual repression of women today. Women simply wont police the worst aspects of their mating strategy and any interference, personal, political or social, that would prevent a woman from exercising her Hypergamous sexuality is viewed as misogynist, sexist repression.

Statistically women with more sexual partners have a higher incidence of divorce and find it more difficult to form healthy attachments in LTRs based on their partner count. Men do not appear to follow these stats or dynamics, why?

Because men and women have different evolved mating strategies and priorities. Men, it appears, have a much easier time compartmentalizing the sex act and separating it from the emotional aspect women apply to sex. Men’s obsession with pornography is a good illustration of this, but it is reflective of the differences in our evolved mating strategies developed in our ancestral past. Men found it necessary to breed quickly and then move out – ejaculate and evacuate.

However, in a social order where Hypergamy is unbuffered women have more access to more men and have more opportunities to be imprinted by Alpha men while in their peak fertility years than in any other era before. This abundance of reproductive opportunities, and a lack of any social stigma or moral reservations are putting women into a position where their Blue Pill husbands turn their denial into hate for the ‘Players’ who violated and ruined their ‘soulmate’ before he came into her life. They refuse to acknowledge that in most cases his girl eagerly chose to give herself to the man she told her husband was a ‘Player’ from her past.

Blue Pill married men have the hardest time accepting the idea that their wives may be Alpha Widows for a man that came before them. They struggle with the possibility their wives gave a part of themselves to a guy that they’ll never experience, so denial and anger becomes their ego’s protection.

They throw shade at the men who have the Game to seduce women (who enjoy the seduction as well) because they “ruin women for great guys like him”. Thus, they turn it into a moral issue for those men or a personality flaw because it absolves their wives of their modern mating choices.

– Illustration, Stefan Schmidtz

Published by Rollo Tomassi

Author of The Rational Male and The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine

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She has said that she doesn’t want it to be like having sex with a stranger. I even ran by the idea of me being a mystery to her and that’s when she said what she did about having sex with a stranger. She wasn’t lying when she said what she said about being close for intimacy, so perhaps she is the unicorn.

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12pointbuckaroo “Why should or shouldn’t you let your wife find out that you are reading the blog and The Rational Male books?” If you want a thoughtful answer to your question in context, perhaps you should explain why you came to The Rational Male. Are you trying to solve a marital problem? Who (metaphorically) are you and where do you want to go? Where have you come from? Or do you want us to comment on universal riddles? “I even ran by the idea of me being a mystery to her and that’s when she said what she did about… Read more »

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@12pointbuck: “She wasn’t lying when she said what she said . . .”

No, she wasn’t. But she was speaking cat and you were hearing dog. What she was saying is that she doesn’t want to have sex with you like she has sex with strangers.

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Addendum:

You aren’t in a good position. Read through the blog from the beginning. Do NOT talk about Fight Club, it will only make things worse, possibly irreparably. You’re going to need help and support. Go to the Field Reports section where there are people who will do their best to give you all you need.

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“She has said that she doesn’t want it to be like having sex with a stranger. I even ran by the idea of me being a mystery to her and that’s when she said what she did about having sex with a stranger.”
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Women Are Not Liars “Keeping your word” is a masculine trait, in men or women. A person with a feminine essence may not keep her word, yet it is not exactly “lying.” In the feminine reality, words and facts take a second place to emotions and the shifting moods of relationship. When she says, “I hate you,” or “I’ll never move to Texas,” or “I don’t want to go to the movies,” it is often more a reflection of a transient feeling-wave than a well considered stance with respect to events and experience. On the other hand, the masculine means… Read more »

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I even ran by the idea of me being a mystery to her a

Do not “run by her” such ideas, that’s a form of negotiating desire.
Learn to read her better than you do now, then decide what you want and do it. Calibrate to her reactions. Don’t expect her to tell you anything directly, learn to read her and you’ll see everything.

She’s not a man with boobs. Stop treating her like one.

PS: What is the first rule of Fight Club?

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““I have a [matrilineal] grandchild . . .” You have a position, but it’s the weakest possible.” Explain how my position is weaker than that of someone having no offspring. I dares ya. Matrilineal? wtf? It takes two…the baby looks more like me than like her ma…ears…eye and skin color…hair is auburn like mine, although it looks blond in bright light…shape of the head… “And that places the principle burden of performance on you while forcing you into playing matrilineal game.” A man always has the burden of performance…you aren’t getting through to me about matrilineal game…daughter made 1700 smackers… Read more »

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“Explain how my position is weaker than that of someone having no offspring. I dares ya.”

A person with no offspring doesn’t have a position.

“Matrilineal? wtf?”

A daughter of a daughter. All your legacy eggs are in one basket. It defines your position.

“…you aren’t getting through to me . . .”

I didn’t expect to.

” . . . daughter made 1700 smackers today, after taxes . . .

It’s babies, all the way forward. She isn’t making any boy babies while she’s making smackers.

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“Explain how my position is weaker than that of someone having no offspring. I dares ya.

Matrilineal? wtf? It takes two…the baby looks more like me than like her ma…ears…eye and skin color…hair is auburn like mine, although it looks blond in bright light…shape of the head…”

Wait…

What site did I stumble into?

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@Blaximus

Some of this:
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Plus some of this:
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“ys is still a darwin award candidate.” OMG we are watching ASD implode. IRT. I’ve never seen anyone blow through the seed corn of life with such stupidity. Guys like ASD focus on the weakest most dependent characters in his life to claim authority. Hence ASD heaps all his praise and potential on a non-sentient infant and dismisses the sentients in his life as failures as they don’t do his will. He turns the insecurity dial to 11 and thinks he gets 5x as much RP result if he’d just leave it at 2. ASD refuses realizing his family members… Read more »

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Kill the bot.

Thanks.

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Right now, I’m dealing with a young man ( 24 or so ) that’s become a father for the first time. He wants to not screw up his child’s life, but he’s uncertain of his ability to figure out what’s best to do amid all of the female advice and single mom gibberish all around him. He’s slowly melting down and it’s only been 2 months.. What is a ” father “? The preceding 2 decades have furiously tried to strip ” father ” of meaning and authority. This only results in a flood of semi morons populating the landscape… Read more »

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“This only results in a flood of semi morons populating the landscape in the future, a society of dupes so to speak.”

Commonly referred to as “social workers.”

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Society loves to exalt motherhood at the expense or fatherhood.

It’ll always be. This is not oppression, that’s how the world is.

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What ASD is saying is right. Darwin Award Winner won’t reproduce, there against nature

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“Shit happens in life that are beyond out control, and that’s a given, but I’m sorry, it your kids won’t take counsel and instruction seriously you’ve managed to fuck up along the way at being a ” father “. You have to grasp how to inform and instruct. It starts the day they exit the womb. That very day. No excuses.” Earth to Blax. Most men stumble on to the Red Pill after we become fathers. We mostly start with a shit position and have to muddle through the best we can. But you are aiming your counsel at first-time… Read more »

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“Hence ASD heaps all his praise and potential on a non-sentient infant”

Well, she might be as Sentient as you are. Admittedly, that’s a low bar. ta-dum

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“Mrs. Gamer and DG and I are all on board with focusing on the baby. And we don’t suck at doing what’s best for the baby.”

This is that same baby with the broken skull right?

“Daughter Gamer may yet bear more children.”

Desperate words…

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Genetics lesson? Pray tell. Being a father isn’t predicated on being blue or red pill, although one is definitely optimal. Concentration sole!y on the offspring misses the point. You are to teach and instruct, regardless of how they look or how beautiful you think they are. No sympathy for that ” stumble into fatherhood ” shit. No excuses because the outcome is too important, more important than what a man thinks is his legacy of genetic line. What if you come from a long line of slacking assholes? Betterment. If you helicopter and baby a baby, you will effectively raise… Read more »

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Blax, awesome !

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Send your face photo, first I’ll rate you in 1-10 HB (Hot Babe) scale. Then I’ll listen what you have to say.

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“Daughter Gamer may yet bear more children.”

“Darwin Award Candidate” YS is only 17 years old and may yet father dozens. Picking on school boys for not being grandfathers is not a good look.

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Visions can and often are misinterpreted…

But I judge book by its cover. Not only that, I judge one by what and how she says. One of the fundamental truths of the Red Pill (Manosphere) is : The Medium is the Message

But the face photo was not enough. I want a shot of your bums.

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I’m sorry, it your kids won’t take counsel and instruction seriously you’ve managed to fuck up along the way at being a ” father “.

In most cases, but not all. Behavior is at least partly inherited, maybe 40% or more.
Throwbacks happen. Have seen a couple. Some people have to learn the hard way, or the hardest way. It’s sad, but it happens.

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“She is that pebble; while the Universe waits for that tidal wave to crash on The Other Side of Eternity…”
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@Chaldeans… “The brainwashed fool knoweth not that he be brainwashed; he thinketh his insane worldview to be entirely “normal”; that is the very essence of an effective brainwash; for the subject to never once consider any alternative to his slavery; and to vigorously recoil at any attempt by outsiders to free him of the yoke that binds him.” Truer words have never been spoken. You definitely understand the thinking of men inured in a blue-pill mindset/worldview. “I guess the 900 people who kill themselves every week in America were just “seeking attention”.” No… the people who successfully committed suicide likely… Read more »

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AR ” In most cases, but not all. Behavior is at least partly inherited, maybe 40% or more. Throwbacks happen. Have seen a couple. Some people have to learn the hard way, or the hardest way. It’s sad, but it happens.” I’ll take 40%. Sounds reasonable. O/T I’ve been trying to parse out the ” inheritability ” thing forever with IRL observances. My jury is hopelessly deadlocked. My grandfather ( maternal ) was a notorious alcoholic. He died a year before I was born. Many of his brothers were partial to massive quantities of alcohol as well. For a time,… Read more »

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Blaximus I had many cousins that had problems with alcohol. So genetic somehow? I can’t figure. Both genetic and environment IMO. Biology of Desire talks about neuroplasticity, so there’s something making some people go back again and again to something. Sometimes. In my extended family there are people who handle their wine and beer and cocktail or two with no problems, and there are people who started drinking hard at 30 and never made it to 60. I’ve known people who were addicted to sugar. Yeah, addicted. When you lose a toe or two due to diabetic circulation failure and… Read more »

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“I’ve known people who were addicted to sugar. Yeah, addicted. When you lose a toe or two due to diabetic circulation failure and still keep on with the sweet stuff, that’s addiction. When the rest of the foot goes and still can’t quit? Serious stuff. Now, abstractly that’s really close to what alkies will do – get themselves badly messed up but be unable to quit, until they hit the rock bottom (if still alive). But what if this is just a form of obsessive-compulsive behavior? I saw Johnny play earlier this century and was amazed he was still alive… Read more »

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Funny how they seem to find my comment threads when the bullshit gets thick with my haterz on other platforms.

Totally a coincidence, I’m sure.

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The FI pushing on Grant Cardone:

https://youtu.be/LJh4eoxpYeY

Is this how you raise daughters?

“The Role of a Father”… with Elena creating strong independent women… with Grant’s reach and money.

smh

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It doesn’t surprise me. It hurts to have your social approval torn away from you……when you’re a fucking coward.

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@Yollo… Im a little disappointed she is gone. I guess thats what I get for being late to the party.

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@IRL (or indeed anyone else): what am I missing about that Grant Cardone video?

I saw the whole thing – what’s wrong with it? He’s using his daughters to emphasize his message – they seem like cute kids. What’s wrong with teaching your daughters (as well as your sons) about the importance of persistence and not giving up, whatever your goals may be?

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“What’s wrong with teaching your daughters (as well as your sons) about the importance of persistence and not giving up, whatever your goals may be?”

I dont know this guy and didn’t watch the video. As a dad of four girls I say your framing is wrong, if it is leading to your girls becoming inferior men.

See ASD Shekel Daughter…

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Cardone is a ” real estate ” mogul cum motivational speaker. I recently discovered him during a vladtv interview on YouTube, but his thing isn’t my thing.

I didn’t get the point of the video. Grant brought his daughters onstage and had them speak about not giving up. Idk, I saw it as him showing that he teaches his own kids the same message he charges you to come hear.

I am incapable of hating on most kids so I didn’t see the ” wrong “. Not what I’d do, but not ” wrong “.

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” As a dad of four girls I say your framing is wrong, if it is leading to your girls becoming inferior men. See ASD Shekel Daughter…” Did you invent a time machine or something? Because your advice is about as useful as a poop sandwich. And you need to get some specs, because your read of Daughter Gamer is very unfocused. Here’s a clue…just because a woman works outside the home doesn’t mean that she’s trying to become a man. DG has many problems because she submitted to my dumbass son in law…those problems are diminishing as she pays… Read more »

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asdgamer – Here’s a clue…just because a woman works outside the home doesn’t mean that she’s trying to become a man. The current K-12 school system is so infected with the fem imperative that a high percentage of girls that go through it will assume they must follow the career path – pure societal programming – you want to know how deep it goes, let me tell you the only way my son could meet up with tech companies visiting the school was to go to the Women in Stem event and his female guidance counselor basically told him that… Read more »

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“DG has many problems because she submitted to my dumbass son in law…”

So when she was spending prime fertility years in undergrad and med school and being a virgin until 35 it was because of her submitting to him?

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Time machine you say? 😂😂😂

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“…probably her best option from a Red Pill perspective is to make herself as attractive as possible, divorce the retard, and marry another doctor who is divorced (or someone comparable)…”

All aboard the ASD time machine…

It’s almost as if she could have dispensed with all the schooling… Been attractive and married that Doctor at 20???

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So I don’t have a daughter and have no experience in raising one. But something doesn’t sit right with me when I see dolled up 9yo and 7yo on stage. My son is in that age group and I see how his peers (boys and girls) think.

You see girls sending “the right message” (not incorrect but not deeper than any Tony Robbins-esque).

I see them getting an emotional boost from dressing up and being celebrities like their mom.
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Fast forward 10 years? Then another 20?

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“So when she was spending prime fertility years in undergrad and med school and being a virgin until 35 it was because of her submitting to him?”

I’ve already stipulated that I was a Blue Pill dumbass back then and didn’t rear my daughters properly.

I see you’re still making those poop sandwiches.

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“It’s almost as if she could have dispensed with all the schooling… Been attractive and married that Doctor at 20???”

More like a prospective medical student…which means he has to finish college, medical school, residency, and fellowship before he’s an attending vascular surgeon. Your average college student doesn’t have access to doctors and there aren’t many unmarried doctors who are prime candidates for marriage. And your average premed will aim for being a primary care physician, who typically earn about $200k.

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@ASD

I feel you man and hate to break up your pity party. Whats the worst that can happen? Your SIL offs himself? You end up raising your grandchild? How is this your problem? Whose frame are you in with the wife? with the DG? Are you afraid you will fall into GD’s frame as well?

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ASD

I was a Blue Pill dumbass back then and didn’t rear my daughters properly.

So what’s your excuse now you are supposedly RP?

“Your average college student doesn’t have access to doctors’

The receptionists and medical billers w/o college degrees in doctor’s offices don’t have this problem.

“and there aren’t many unmarried doctors who are prime candidates for marriage.”

Based on track record you cannot identify what a “prime candidate” looks like…

“And your average premed will aim for being a primary care physician, who typically earn about $200k.”

It’s shekels all the way down… Says the guy who isn’t Blue Pill…

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“The Y chromosome, as I recall, doesn’t have a lot of genetic material.”

ASD as egalitarian-equalism geneticist.

Quality over quantity.

Have all the daughters you want…never to pass on what makes you a man. It’s a timeless recognition of generation and inheritance if a guy cares about his nature enduring after death.

All the masculinizing nature and downstream benefits is in the Y. Matters not if “it doesn’t have a lot of genetic material.”

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Genetic material?😂

Gather a search party and take to the weeds .

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“Whose frame are you in with the wife? with the DG? Are you afraid you will fall into GD’s frame as well?”

His portfolio is entirely invested in the FI with nothing but “could happens” as prospects. He’s pretty well bound to it.

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How many widows does he have?
https://www.instagram.com/p/B0wWFH6BvrX/

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Remember: your kids didn’t ask to be born, and they don’t ” owe ” you shit. It’s your responsibility to teach, instruct, and discipline. Love is ( or should be ) automatic. Respect from them is built via word matching action. They learn whether or not they can trust you and your words and actions.

Well said Blax. This is the winning formula. It can be difficult but that’s why we’re the men and women are not.

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When the booty call goes bad.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/arson/booty-call-arson-609753

Good news: The man’s dog was rescued unharmed.

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“Well said Blax. This is the winning formula. It can be difficult but that’s why we’re the men and women are not.”

If women were rejected out of the mating market when lacking responsibility, they would acquire that faculty within few generations. Unfortunately for them and for the more honest and unexperienced of men, that’s not on the cards anytime soon.

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I mean, you seem to be in love. She could be in love too. But yours is a man’s love, hers is a woman’s love.
She wants intimacy, but the intimacy she wants is the intimacy she wants.
If you misunderstand that to be = the intimacy you want/want to give her (you want her to want), you may fall down quite hard.

Give her intimacy and affection, but use a little spoon and maneuver the feeding spoon at a pcautious pace; check carefully in up to what dose they are welcomed and rewarded, and when they start being not.

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@Blax. Christ on a bike, that’s about right. That is a snapshot of every woman on every dating site/app.

More Red Flags than a Raiders game. Look at me being all American. Men of value want nothing to do with ‘independant’ women who have obviously been railed into triple digits.

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From Rollo’s Twitter feed:

“A woman’s concept of “love” is founded on a man’s capacity for competence.

Women don’t want to bear the burden of performance, and this is why they detest incompetent men..”

My first thought is “Thanks for pointing out the obvious and also weaponizing incompetence into intersexual war.”

Incompetent men are shunned by both sexes, FFS.

I could take the above at face value and agree with those who think manosphere = incel whiners.

What’s Rollo trying to say? Why repost this here? How many men think as the Evan guy does?

Rollo associates himself by reposting the tweet. Does Rollo think likewise?

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@EhIntellect

Men to Men relations is the REAL Red Pill.

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@ Yollo

Exactly. Men don’t judge women to determine who men are. We look to each other to be better men.

Nice. Have a great day.

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@Blaximus, that’s good on you to be helping that new father out in real life, that’s the most authentic form of Red Pill help, not all these “red pill” tweets fights, etc. As Yollo pointed out, that’s the real red pill, men to men relations. On Being a Father: Being a true present father is the toughest challenges a man will face, raising a boy is even harder in todays environment. I don’t mean helicopter parenting bullshit where you are just going off some anxiety driven middle class script, but raising true independent human beings who can think for themselves… Read more »

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Pretty funny article RT tweeted out.

https://time.com/5645032/candace-bushnell-is-there-still-sex-in-the-city/?amp=true&__twitter_impression=true

“Bushnell, now 60, also touches on poignant aspects of what she calls “middle-aged madness”: the death of a parent, the isolation of divorce, the ache of realizing that even the most gorgeous among us will eventually become invisible.”

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Pretty funny on Bushnell! She was an attractive woman for much of her life — her “run” of being attractive ran for longer than most women. But of course it doesn’t go on forever. Even these days, when diet/nutrition/fitness/surgery have all vastly improved for women willing and able to afford investing this way, there is still an end to it all, when biology’s cruel facts win out. A very small sliver of women have been able to push that into the 50s today due to these tools, but somewhere in the 50s nature’s relentless march gets them all … I… Read more »

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Nova

Maybe Christie
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That’s true Christie Brinkley exists as an example! Perhaps a few more will join her as they age into their 60s in the years ahead as well … we will see just how far the new “technology” of prolonging physical attractiveness for women works in terms of numbers of women actually doing it into their 60s.

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1/100,000 no doubt.

Candie will always have her memories…
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How many guys could claim the same?

[In HS at a friend’s house, Elizabeth Taylor on the kitchen TV, friend’s mom smoking, says to herself “How many miles of cock did she run through?”…]

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Yes, she had her fair share, and then some, in her party years, which were longer than most.

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“The receptionists and medical billers w/o college degrees in doctor’s offices don’t have this problem.” Lol, most attending physicians are already married. ‘“and there aren’t many unmarried doctors who are prime candidates for marriage.” Based on track record you cannot identify what a “prime candidate” looks like…’ Doctors rate high on the golddigger index…if a doc is unmarried, he typically has some very unattractive traits, lacks relationship skills, etc. If a woman wants to marry a doctor, she does best going after a premed student. No guarantees, though. He has to make it through at least 7 years post college,… Read more »

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😐

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ASD

Showing off your red Pill chops now?

“Lol, most attending physicians are already married.”

You might have heard of that hypergamy thingy…? Or not. I’m guessing not…

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“Get daddy’s approval before any commitment. Daddy should be smart enough to do a background check on the prospective groom.”

Ew. Sounds all very chastity ball.

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” Doctors rate high on the golddigger index…if a doc is unmarried, he typically has some very unattractive traits, lacks relationship skills, etc.” What? How do you know this? Are yo assuming? based on what exactly? ” If a woman wants to marry a doctor, she does best going after a premed student. No guarantees, though.” Why? explain it like I was a 5 year old. ” He has to make it through at least 7 years post college, with many opportunities for failure all along the way. For vascular surgeons, it’s eleven years.” Unimportant. “Look for someone who works… Read more »

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The 1990’s called, some people have to go back. It’s the current year in the 21st century, and doctors tend marry other doctors; lawyers tend to marry other lawyers; PA’s tend to marry other PA’s; nurses tend to marry other nurses, etc. It’s a different form of assortive mating. The days of a lawyer marrying the cute secretary / paralegal or a doctor marrying an attractive nurse are pretty much gone. In anticpation of sperging, yeah, I know a doctor who married his nurse, too. They are both in their 50’s. Their youngest child is in college. They got married… Read more »

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With reservations I’m passing along a long new mainstream media piece on Joe Rogan, as I know he has fans here. You might enjoy it or you might find the writer gets in the way.

https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2019/08/my-joe-rogan-experience/594802/

I have no opinion on Rogan but this made me wonder what kind of mainstream piece we might see on Rollo someday

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Here is an interactive chart from Bloomberg, indicating who is marrying whom (by job description).
https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2016-who-marries-whom/

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Funny stuff. One of my best buddies married a chick that was unemployed at the time ( or between jobs ). He worked his ass off and put her through law school, because she had the aptitude, but not the cash flow. Once she had some decent success, she did the yeoman’s work of getting him set up in his dream – a trucking firm. My first wife was a bank teller. I was an auto body repair genius, lol. I went to ” school ” (I technical training institute ) and got certified in programming ( but… never actually… Read more »

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” Doctors rate high on the golddigger index…if a doc is unmarried, he typically has some very unattractive traits, lacks relationship skills, etc.” “What? How do you know this? Are yo assuming? based on what exactly?” I assume that you’re not questioning my assertion about the golddigger index. Docs rate high for marriage, typically. Based on my daughter’s experience, most docs are married by the time they finish medical school…the few that aren’t have serious issues…for example, one spent his childhood in foster care because of a druggie mother and planned never to marry. “So you’re saying ” hard work… Read more »

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“You might enjoy it or you might find the writer gets in the way.”

Holy hell, OBIT, I saw that article in The Atlantic in my news feed earlier today, got halfway through it and couldn’t finish it because of the retarded-ness of the author. What a whack job journalist.

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