Alpha Widows

As today’s Purple Pill Manosphere tries to sort out what it wants to pick and pull from ideas the Red Pill has been debating for decades now it requires a lot of deliberate misdirection of the old concepts they struggle with. This is actually nothing new. If you look at any of the exchanges I had with Aunt Giggles (Susan Walsh ret.) or various notables from the golden years of this blog you’ll recognize the pattern – Distort the premises of the concepts that conflict with your ego-investments, straw man them, then offer some redefinition of what they ‘really’ mean.

One of these maligned concepts is the phenomenon of the Alpha Widow. I’ve written extensively on this idea for well over a decade now. I’m fairly certain I even coined the term back in my SoSuave days. Back then Alpha Widow was a designation we used to describe a woman’s tendency to become fixated on an Alpha lover she had in her Party Years and still pined for him into her 30s or 40s after marriage. We didn’t just pull the idea out of our asses back then. We came to it because of the overwhelming number of married or LTR men who reported that their wife or girlfriend were pining for old lovers they thought were “the one that got away” or they left them to pursue a new relationship with an old flame.

Back then it was just a useful reference, but it quickly became such a predictable and confirmable phenomenon I thought it deserved more investigation. I mentioned Alpha Widows in The Slut Paradox but it was around this time that Roissy (Heartise) had proposed a simple maxim: 5 Minutes of Alpha Trumps 5 years of Beta. That’s when I decided to look deeper in my own short essay Five Minutes of Alpha. With a Red Pill Lens I began to see this Alpha Widow narrative played out in popular culture. Katy Perry had a song out then called The One That Got Away and it accurately described everything that goes into making an Alpha Widow.

What is an Alpha Widow?

To understand the phenomenon of the Alpha Widow we must look at women’s evolved mating strategy – Hypergamy, a woman’s intrinsic desire to balance the best quality sexual/reproductive male with the best provisioning/parentally invested male. Since a woman’s mating strategy centers on quality in a long term partner(s) women tend to focus on ideals in men. The imperative drive for mate quality extends to both sides of women’s Hypergamous equation; the best genetic, sexual experience and the best long term security potential. Only women are Hypergamous, and Hypergamy never seeks its own level – it is always seeking a better-than-merited exchange in SMV compared to her own. For more information on this concept read False Equivalencies.

When a woman misses the opportunity to consolidate on a confirmed, high SMV (sexual market value) male that man becomes the new standard for what she believes she can attract as a potential mate.

“I’ve had an SMV 8 guy before so in the future no man below an 8 will be my optimal choice.”

Even if a woman’s perception of her own SMV isn’t realistic her Id wants what it believes it can get.

The setting of a mating strategy metric in men is largely a subconscious process for women, but, more often now, high-ego women do consciously acknowledge that one man does (or doesn’t) meet the SMV benchmark of a previous lover. As women have become more comfortable in embracing Open Hypergamy, amongst their girlfriends, on social media, they will readily debate this SMV metric of past boyfriends. The Alpha Widow dynamic is no secret among women. Usually this involves women bemoaning the lack of “eligible” men in their lives when their prime SMV years are behind them. Please note that eligible implies an entitlement to a man who would be an ideal.

This qualification process is a constant for women, and it’s a complement to mens’ Burden of Performance. Women’s Hypergamous filtering process evolved from an Existential Fear of pairing with any man beneath her own (self-perceived) SMV and risking her life on a bad reproductive bet.  The worst existential prospect for a woman is to have her mating strategy superseded and controlled by that of a suboptimal man. 

The flip side to this dynamic is that, evolutionarily speaking, a woman’s subconscious cannot afford to miss out on an optimal Hypergamous pairing. If a woman’s Existential Fear is to be forced to reproduce with a lesser man, the next fear is to lose or miss out out on the opportunity to consolidate on monogamy with a high SMV man. When I talk about how a woman will make rules for Betas, but break rules for Alphas this is the root of that principle. 

As such, a man who exceeds a woman’s SMV, and creates a benchmark of her ‘personal best’ ideal male to breed with and parentally invest with, makes a significant impact on her psyche; sometimes in the long term. When a woman has had this man – one for whom she has genuine, organic desire for – but she cannot consolidate on him (i.e. lock down in monogamy), this represents a critical loss of the ideal Hypergamous/Reproductive/Life strategy option. Mentally this is what a woman will strive in some way to recreate with subsequent men in her life – a return to that ideal state.

This then is the basis of the Alpha Widow:
A mental fixation on the man who made the most significant impact upon a woman as her Hypergamous ideal.

The Fantasy Ideal

Usually this male ideal is an actual man from her past with whom she had some sort of relationship with, but not always. Sometimes the fantasy of that ideal will make a mental impression and sometimes a brief, seemingly insignificant, encounter with an ideal man may be enough to imprint on her psyche. 

Five Minutes of Alpha Trumps Five Years of Beta.

Sometimes the smallest brush with an ‘alpha’ male is enough to trigger the ‘what if?’ possibilities of consolidating on a guy like that. This might be one-night sex, the one guy in the foam cannon party on spring break in her wilder college years, or even just a missed opportunity to fully develop a hoped-for connection at a social gathering. The ‘Missed Connections’ forum on Craig’s Lists are filled with these regrets. All that matters is that the guy, knowingly or not, instilled a sense of Hypergamous urgency that she just knew represented a prospect for consolidating on that ideal.

An Alpha Widow can also be ‘widowed’ from the fantasy of her ideal male. This is fairly common among women who marry early in their Party Years. Most feel like they missed out on having made a good Hypergamous choice (or had it made for them by circumstance or social pressures). That missed opportunity leads some women to be widowed from the fantasy of an Alpha who would have been a better choice. Thus, an ideal Alpha mental model is what she pines for. An interest in romance literature is usually exaggerated in this type of widow. The formulaic stories are a form of vicarious fulfillment of an unrealized Hypergamous ideal. I should also add, this this widow, when married, is a prime demographic audience for divorce porn fantasies.

In any of these instances what’s at issue is the fact that women’s mating strategy always moves them towards a “better-than-merited” SMV exchange and a psychological fixation on the man, or the type of man who best embodies it. It’s as if a woman’s Id is imprinted with the model of the optimal Hypergamous pairing (evolution-wise a life or death proposition) and believes that only in recreating it will that male again save her life. This is the source of that unconscious pining.

Social Enabling of the Alpha Ideal

In 2019 it has never been easier for a woman to explore her reproductive options with an ever-increasing pool of potential Alphas from which to be widowed from. Since the Sexual Revolution western cultures have done little else than facilitate women’s mating strategies. In terms of “sexual liberation” the goal has always been to ensure provisioning and support – the Beta Bucks side of Hypergamy – in order to give women the impression that they have an indefinite window of time in which to find their optimal Alpha man. We see this reflected in the age of first marriages getting older and older. And in the age of social media women take for granted that they can remain sexually viable if not indefinitely, then at least as long as a man would. This facility exacerbates the Alpha Widow effect.

Women will fixate on the “one that got away”, but today we have social conventions in place to pander to that predictable insecurity in women. In fact, there are numerous industries that now thrive on exactly this.

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I should add here that the very concept of a soulmate began with women pining for their bygone ideal man. That ‘One’ is much easier to justify cheating with, or agonizing over, if you mix in the metaphysical to aid in rationalizing it. The popularity of Fifty Shades of Grey and Eat, Pray, Love also find their root in the Alpha Widow dynamic. Popular culture tells women they are entitled to that ideal soulmate; and the only way they can remain true to themselves, the only way to live their best lives (even the life they believe God meant for them), is to pursue the ‘ONE that got away.’

The Plan B mating strategy is another social convention that forgives women of the consequences of pursuing that Alpha ideal while concurrently holding on to her next best male option. And lastly, the ongoing normalization of a female-initiated Polyandry is also a social convention predicated on allowing women to hedge their Hypergamous bets with respect to finding that Hypergamous ideal mate.

Misconceptions

The following are a couple of the more common misconceptions critics like to presume is meant by “Alpha Widow”. For the most part these are attempts to straw man the phenomenon with no real interest in how anyone came to understanding the dynamic. 

Alpha Widows are the result of “players” who fiendishly used these poor impressionable women before they left them high & dry

Blue Pill conditioned White Knights in particular use this to build their own heroic narrative around women. Of course, not all women are victims of the Alpha they were widowed by. The first part of this misconception is the presumption that no woman would volunteer for her own widowing; the second is that an Alpha “Player” was implicit in his motives to thoroughly imprint himself upon her. The truth is that any seduction requires a willing participant (Art of Seduction, Greene) and in accordance with women’s mating strategy women will eagerly participate in their own seduction. These are Alpha Widows, not rape survivors. 

The misconception is that the woman being widowed was somehow traumatized by her former lover. The truth is that the more positive the experience was for her the more impactful the widowing is likely to be. If women didn’t think fondly of the “one that got away” she wouldn’t be an Alpha Widow in the first place. The emotional despair some women feel over that Alpha is usually the result of having missed pairing in the long term with a better prospective man than the lesser man she settled on by necessity. 

This is an easy misconception for most Blue Pill men to follow along with because often enough women will refer to their ‘asshole ex boyfriend(s)’ as the man (men) who was responsible for her being damaged. Women in their Epiphany Phase will usually incorporate into it some narrative of their having been used by the Bad Boy Jerk who came before the Nice Guy Beta they found it necessary to settle on. This damaged narrative then locks in with a woman wanting to “do things the right way this time”. Women will often use this narrative as a failsafe to excuse their hesitancy to be as sexually available to the Beta as she was with the Alpha she was widowed from. So, you get a Saving the Best situation for the Nice Guy in the relationship and he’s apt to believe her claims of being damaged by the asshole who had her before he did.

Self-righteous Beta men love this damaged by the Player narrative because it allows them constant opportunities to prove to his woman how positively different he is compared to the asshole Alpha she’s still covertly pining for.

• “Alpha Widows” are just men making shit up and thinking the worst of women because they’re bitter and burned.

Yes, it is entirely possible that despondent Incels may exaggerate the phenomenon of the Alpha Widow to rationalize their giving up on women. This still doesn’t invalidate phenomenon. This misconceptions is generally dropped by critics of the Red Pill who’d rather attack the source than have to address a concept that rattles their comfortable Blue Pill understanding of women. That said, I understand how it might be convenient to disqualify the concept based on the bitterness of the individual piecing together why his wife or girlfriend still seems to be having a relationship with her ex even if just in her head. Self-loathing Incels will then use this as an excuse to give up for the same reason they believe Hypergamy is this insurmountable obstacle to their connecting with juice they don’t want to bother squeezing for.

For the record, no, not all women turn into Alpha Widows. All women are Hypergamous, but buffers and learned self-control have historically been the checks and balances needed to protect against this Alpha Widow dynamic. The problem is that these buffers are popularly considered sexual repression of women today. Women simply wont police the worst aspects of their mating strategy and any interference, personal, political or social, that would prevent a woman from exercising her Hypergamous sexuality is viewed as misogynist, sexist repression.

Statistically women with more sexual partners have a higher incidence of divorce and find it more difficult to form healthy attachments in LTRs based on their partner count. Men do not appear to follow these stats or dynamics, why?

Because men and women have different evolved mating strategies and priorities. Men, it appears, have a much easier time compartmentalizing the sex act and separating it from the emotional aspect women apply to sex. Men’s obsession with pornography is a good illustration of this, but it is reflective of the differences in our evolved mating strategies developed in our ancestral past. Men found it necessary to breed quickly and then move out – ejaculate and evacuate.

However, in a social order where Hypergamy is unbuffered women have more access to more men and have more opportunities to be imprinted by Alpha men while in their peak fertility years than in any other era before. This abundance of reproductive opportunities, and a lack of any social stigma or moral reservations are putting women into a position where their Blue Pill husbands turn their denial into hate for the ‘Players’ who violated and ruined their ‘soulmate’ before he came into her life. They refuse to acknowledge that in most cases his girl eagerly chose to give herself to the man she told her husband was a ‘Player’ from her past.

Blue Pill married men have the hardest time accepting the idea that their wives may be Alpha Widows for a man that came before them. They struggle with the possibility their wives gave a part of themselves to a guy that they’ll never experience, so denial and anger becomes their ego’s protection.

They throw shade at the men who have the Game to seduce women (who enjoy the seduction as well) because they “ruin women for great guys like him”. Thus, they turn it into a moral issue for those men or a personality flaw because it absolves their wives of their modern mating choices.

– Illustration, Stefan Schmidtz

Published by Rollo Tomassi

Author of The Rational Male and The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine

440 comments on “Alpha Widows

  1. @Palma. Thanks for having my back. I appreciate it.

    However I have been bacpacking and travelling solo for years.. Thailand, vietnam, slovakia, austria, czech rep, moscow, st petersburg, belarus, hungary and so on. I have never ran into trouble or been ripped off. I am pretty savvy when it comes to travelling.

    The women I mentioned are an afterthought to me travelling to Ukraine. I’ve always wanted to visit Ukraine. I am not in love, have ONEitis or planning on a relationship. They are not prostitutes. I pretty much know a prostitute from 100 yards from my own experiences. In Belarus I avoided escorts because they are controlled by the KGB in Minsk. The one I spoke to said they wete not allowed to do out calls to hotels after 20.00pm. She said she would send a taxi to pick me up. Fuck that. I’ve watched Hostel.
    .
    So, I hope that clears things up and no more assumptions need to be made.

  2. “I hope that clears things up and no more assumptions need to be made.”

    For my part, while I used your comment as a launch point, my comments were not really addressed so much at you as at the peanut gallery.

  3. “You left off you laid one woman. 😆”

    One or two, but I’ve had to fend off boatloads. And being with nekkid girls is closer to twenty than ten.

    “Look. I’ll stipulate you are an expert. At asking women to dance and dancing.”

    Not sure why I’m a problem for you.

    I’m sure you’ll eventually manage to stay married as long as I have. And I go out and see women and their behavior and interact with them–dancing, chatting, pushing their hands away from my dick, pulling my hands off their tits when they try to rub their tits against my hands, etc. I have a lot of data points.

    I’ll defer to you about pickup and Tinder. XD

    If you can dance well enough to teach women how to dance, you’ll often be considered a minor celebrity. Girls will watch you. Lots of low-hanging fruit. Maybe this is where the envy kicks in for you?

  4. “To successfully seduce a woman, you have to grab her RAS and obtain compliance leading to logistical isolation and sex.”

    I presume that this is what Blax was confused about.

    RAS is the Reticular Activation System. When I say “grab her RAS” I mean “get her eyes focused on you”. Which may mean that you move so that she can’t see anyone but you. Your back will be to the wall and she will be facing you and see you and the wall and no other men or her cockblocking friends. “Obtain compliance” means “getting the girl to do what you want”. Follow you to the bar. Dance with you. Chat with you. Kino you. Make out with you. Go to her place or your place or the alley to fuck.

    “Logistical isolation” means that her friends won’t be able to cockblock you and you will be alone with her for sex.

    Clear?

  5. ASD

    Heh. No problem. I love a good laugh.

    IME I’ve never come across a guy in any field that went ranting about “I’m an expert!” that actually was one. Expertise was always conveyed by example. Not promotion.

    I’ll file your story under Exhibit A.

  6. Great OP. What strikes me is that men also have longings, what-ifs and if-onlys for women in their past — but generally seem to handle all this much differently as they move forward. Is that correct? Could Rollo or anyone else elaborate on that?

  7. Blaximus
    I have a goddaughter that has xx,xxx followers.

    Meh. Probably just a bunch of Russian bots in training for next year.

    Hundreds of idiots were blowing her up with likes or whatever.

    Da Russians know…All is illusion – Солнце Цвета Виски

  8. “IME I’ve never come across a guy in any field that went ranting about “I’m an expert!” “

    unlike you, I don’t put words in people’s mouths…but keep pontificating…

  9. @walawala Lets give credit where credit is do.

    New Kid In Town (Not to be confused with douchy Boy Band New Kids on the Block)

    The Eagles
    Writer/s: DON HENLEY, JOHN SOUTHER, GLENN FREY

    There’s talk on the street; it sounds so familiar.
    Great expectations, everybody’s watching you.
    People you meet, they all seem to know you.
    Even your old friends treat you like you’re something new.

    Johnny come lately, the new kid in town.
    Everybody loves you, so don’t let them down.

    You look in her eyes; the music begins to play.
    Hopeless romantics, here we go again.
    But after a while you’re looking the other way.
    It’s those restless hearts that never mend.
    Johnny come lately, the new kid in town.
    Will she still love you when you’re not around?

    There’s so many things you should have told her,
    But night after night you’re willing to hold her, just hold her.
    Tears on your shoulder.

    There’s talk on the street; it’s there to remind you
    It doesn’t really matter which side you’re on.
    You’re walking away and they’re talking behind you.
    They will never forget you till somebody new comes along.
    Where you been lately? There’s a new kid in town.
    Everybody loves him, don’t they?
    And he’s holding her, and you’re still around. Oh, my, my.
    There’s a new kid in town, just another new kid in town.
    Ooh, hoo. Everybody’s talking ’bout the new kid in town.
    Ooh, hoo. Everybody’s walking like the new kid in town.

  10. Sentient
    File under “burden”…

    Lol, whut? I thought all the amateurs and cammers undercut pro porn years back.

  11. @TT

    Sorry I am not following this post below. My experience is different then what you describe. I would never engage in texting nonsense with a woman that I liked to be involved with. From my younger days in high school and in college my experience with women was different. women I wanted to hang with and women I’d wanted to sleep with, depending on the category, determined my interaction. I often chased women (in a blue pill fashion at times) that I really liked and didn’t get her and other women I chased for the sake of chasing also may not have got her. The ones I did get or chased me were also put in these categories. And ugly or unattractive to me was the universally shunned and rarely got play from me.

    As I have said before I was raised Blue pill. Lived in a Blue Pill, feminine centrist, society but I was a red pill wanting to burst out.

    One other point to make here: Anyone reading this post should know and pass on; it is your responsibility to be constantly working on yourself. Health, Mind, Fitness, Career, Whatever. If you want to get play you better be striving to be your best self. Whisky and Cigars are always around. A well rounded, productive, sane, healthy version of yourself is not.

    Well, counter to what tens of years of propaganda funnelled through all media/education channels have told, they are passive.
    Even when aggressive, they’ll be passive-aggressive and you’ll get the “passive” right there.

    Even when using the de facto legal privileges they have, they’ll use the police, and court orders to take what they please to take and boot you from your house.

    All they do in the “courtship process” that they enjoy (together with the denial of their enjoyiment of it, which they enjoy as well), all they do is watch, see, and wait.

    You basically have a range of responses like this:

    1) Hahahah [= You are playing the mating ritual well]
    2) Hmmmm [= You are playing the mating ritual ill/I am not going to let you play the mating ritual with me]
    3) Hi
    4) Hello
    5) Ok / Ah Okay [= This is kinda a trip-over in the mating ritual from you. If no further errors issue, I might forget this one.]
    6) How are you?

    Naturally, these same people are increasingly issuing warnings to dare not message them with uninteresting/”stupid”/”boring”/”empty” openers, by which they mean the only messages they’ll ever manage to send when they chat.

    The undertones and overtones of “Don’t you think the same rules apply to you and I, I am the prize, you are the labourer who has to work hard and cross his fingers as he hopes for the prize” are all over.

    I wonder if offline dating is a saner business these days.

  12. Question here –

    I am a 22 y/o male who just recently started his career in finance and completed his undergrad degree. I’ve had a FWB for 6 months ongoing currently (I am a blonde hair green eyed catholic & she is a black hair brown eyes jewish girl, just to include additional context). It started out as study buddies (beginning phase when I got to know her) who fuck 3-4 times a week basically back at my place after a long day at the library (had sex the first time either the 3rd or 4th time we hung out I can’t remember). Eventually, all we would do is go back to my place and watch a movie, talk, smoke, and have sex, sometimes she would sleep over because I didn’t want to drive her back to her place that same night (she doesn’t drive).Three months into this, and there is one week until she leaves for a two-month vacation in Israel, and one night as I was driving her home after a sex & chill session at my place I (stupidly) asked her if our situation is going to continue when she comes back, and she responded happily saying she loves what we have going on, BUT and this is a very big BUT she feels the need to also throw in that she would never date me. Her justification was “Based on how my last relationship ended, I only date to marry” (she got cheated on in a 1.5yr long-distance relationship). Now I am not looking to date this girl, BUT my question lies in how can we analyze this girl based on what she says and my entire situation? I am very curious because this is the only thing she has ever told me that I couldn’t figure out. She just came back a few days ago and I already fucked her two days in a row and hung out with her three days in a row (movies & netflix at my place), I asked her if she fucked anyone while she was out there and she responded with “Did you fuck anyone while I was gone” I told her yeah, two girls. She responded “Oh look at you and had a big smile on her face” and then added with “I had sex with one guy out there, he was kind of my guy while I was out there. I hope that doesn’t sound weird”. Can we continue analyzing her in relation to me. I want to understand what kind of position I truly am in here, first time having FWB over two months in length, and my game is still progressing.

    Notes for help with analysis
    -She always talks about how she can’t wait to move out to Israel and live there for the rest of her life (is already looking to apply for grad school out there)
    -She mentions how she hates where we live because it’s hard making friends, relating to people, and everyone is rude and not open to talk to
    -She doesn’t like giving oral sex

    PLEASE someone respond to this, I need other inputs and thoughts/analysis on this situation.

  13. @ O.B.I.T.

    ‘What strikes me is that men also have longings, what-ifs and if-onlys for women in their past — but generally seem to handle all this much differently as they move forward. Is that correct? Could Rollo or anyone else elaborate on that?’

    Was thinking about your comment and my own take on it is this:

    In the years following my divorce, I was constantly thinking ‘What if?’ and beating myself up for ‘losing’ my wife and family. However, I was also possessed by a need to know what happened—what really happened, not some bullshit ‘solution’—and that led me to books and programmes and blogs like ‘The Rational Male’. And what I experienced was that the more I learned about psychology and relationship dynamics and so on, the less I was inclined to ‘What If?’ thinking. When you realise the truth about something, it’s pointless to think ‘What if the truth were something else?’ The truth is the truth. ‘What if?’ doesn’t even apply.

    But most women I know are not seeking the truth—they seek happiness. And, ironically, this focus on happiness makes women hyper-aware of the areas in their lives where they are unhappy. I know women with seemingly everything they want—enough money, nice house, nice children, nice husband—and they are stressing out over the one aspect of their lives which is not working. It’s like women set themselves up for misery. The truth is that nothing can ever be 100% perfect, but this truth wars with the ‘Having It All’ mentality imprinted on so many women. And this kind of mentality is fertile ground for ‘What if?’ thinking and chronic dissatisfaction.

  14. F3x2

    This girl is riding the cock carousel and isn’t ready to settle or go exclusive again. The first guy was likely the jealous type and restricted her so his cheating is seen as a double standard.

    It could be she doesn’t want to date as being seen as a couple would restrict or limit her.

    She thinks and is correct that your asking her if she did it with anyone else is insecurity and this lowered your status in her mind.

    @ Palma is correct don’t F it up.

  15. F3F3

    PLEASE someone respond to this, I need other inputs and thoughts/analysis on this situation.

    well here it is…

    -She doesn’t like giving oral sex

    This does not lie. Ever. If she isn’t enthusiastically blowing you AND swallowing… She’s just not that into you.

    Oh yeah, she’s into you enough to be a human dildo, pleasure her when she wants. I suspect you are above average looks guy, good ‘safe” choice for her to be her FB. Maybe a bit needy.

    So she keeps looking.

    Not an alpha widow…

    Post up your issues in the Field Reports section and the guys will go through them on the reg…

  16. F3F3

    Also if you are hanging out 3-5 days a week, and in a row, and she’s sleeping over and you are talking about relationship stuff… You are dating…

  17. Cartoonist

    But most women I know are not seeking the truth—they seek happiness. And, ironically, this focus on happiness makes women hyper-aware of the areas in their lives where they are unhappy.

    The only truth to a woman is emotion. And happiness is a male construct. women cannot be happy i.e. content… because they do not have to deal with burden. They aren’t scaling mountains, or conquering new lands. They achieve their prime objective by lying on their back.

    Ergo they want… more. Always more.

  18. @F3F3
    I (stupidly) asked her if our situation is going to continue when she comes back,

    Why?

    and she responded happily saying she loves what we have going on, BUT and this is a very big BUT she feels the need to also throw in that she would never date me.

    I find it fascinating how girls casually move their pawns on the chessboard. A purse in her hand here, a little open statement there…

    She did a few things here. She threw in that beta bait (apparently it worked, felt shitty to hear it didn’t it?) and removed her responsibility for whatever you may feel down the road if she decides to branch swing (“but I told you…”).

    Her justification was “Based on how my last relationship ended,

    Girls rationalize all sort of stuff all the time.

    I only date to marry”

    Clearly, if she’s not getting married, then what she’s doing with other guys isn’t dating, so it should be fine with you. She’s told you now, don’t get mad at her in the future.

    Now I am not looking to date this girl

    What’s the issue then?

    She just came back a few days ago and I already fucked her two days in a row and hung out with her three days in a row (movies & netflix at my place),

    Hanging out without fucking is not dating huh? You have a lot of time for this girl…. who is not your girl.

    I asked her if she fucked anyone while she was out there

    Why would a FWB be concerned about it?
    Do you think her hindbrain missed that glimpse of neediness/insecurity in relation to her?

    and she responded with “Did you fuck anyone while I was gone”

    She dodged it and threw a curved ball back at you. Very kosher.

    I told her yeah, two girls.

    Good, you don’t bite. Agree and amplify is fun.

    She responded “Oh look at you and had a big smile on her face”

    Game works.

    and then added with “I had sex with one guy out there, he was kind of my guy while I was out there. I hope that doesn’t sound weird”.

    Whether she’s fucked another guy or only thinking about it is secondary to the fact that she’s testing your reaction to it.

    The Cardinal Rule of Sexual Strategies:
    For one gender’s sexual strategy to succeed the other gender must compromise or abandon their own.

    Can we continue analyzing her in relation to me.

    Here’s the rub. It shouldn’t be about what she wants. What’s not in your FR is what YOU want.

    You’re enjoying company of a chick and obviously catching feelings. Quite normal. But also a slippery slope. All too easy to miss red flags and compromise your own mental point of origin.

    She knows what she wants and she’s going for it. She even says so. You’re not the priority.

    -She doesn’t like giving oral sex

    Not a good sign for you. Complement why this isn’t even considered sex by many…

    Don’t chase her. Don’t try to make her change her mind. She’ll resent you and you’ll resent her. She either comes to you on your terms or she’s not part of your world… even if you keep fucking regularly.

    I’d say enjoy it while it lasts while pursuing your own thing, but maybe you need to find out what you want like and need first and foremost. Either way, put yourself first and give yourself more space.

    Good luck!

  19. F3

    Now I am not looking to date this girl, BUT my question lies in how can we analyze this girl based on what she says and my entire situation? I am very curious because this is the only thing she has ever told me that I couldn’t figure out.

    Riffing of a Malcolm Gladwell essay on the collapse of Enron and the Nazi claims of a super-weapon in WWII (propaganda mystery).

    You are solving a puzzle, not a mystery. A puzzle is a problem that can be solved if you have more information (or the right information). More information doesn’t help with a mystery, and she is not being very mysterious.

    If things go wrong with a puzzle, identifying the culprit is easy: it’s the person who withheld information. Mysteries, though, are a lot murkier: sometimes the information we’ve been given is inadequate, and sometimes we aren’t very smart about making sense of what we’ve been given, and sometimes the question itself cannot be answered. Puzzles come to satisfying conclusions. Mysteries often don’t.

    The type of behavior this girl is exhibiting is masculine (it is overt). The type of behavior you are exhibiting is feminine and wondering and seeking commitment, even if you are seeking a commitment to FWB.

    When people show you what they are and show you their hands, and if trustworthy and honest, you should take them at their word and behavior.

    She’s not hiding anything from you. You don’t have to analyze her.

    What do you want and how are you going to get it? What are you going to do about it?

    You are 22 years old. You are having a reference experience.

  20. This just in and this is BIG:

    Marianne Williamson has solved the problem keeping us from having virtually unlimited, cheap nuclear energy. The energy and climate crisis is OVER:

    “The power of your mind is greater than the power of nuclear radiation. Visualize angels dispersing it into nothingness.”

    It is breakthroughs like this that make the future female. Who knows how many more we will have when more women bring their perspective to STEM fields, especially if we get visualizing pixies in backrooms into the deal. Free everything for everybody!

  21. “I am a 22 y/o male who just recently started his career in finance and completed his undergrad degree.”

    warning: potential provider status alert. tell girls you handle dark money pools or cook the books for crooks. anything UNreliable. anything but what you actually do

    “I’ve had a FWB for 6 months ongoing currently (I am a blonde hair green eyed catholic & she is a black hair brown eyes jewish girl, just to include additional context).”

    she is not your first choice. i bet she’s not in your top twenty. you have the hand so far

    “It started out as study buddies (beginning phase when I got to know her) who fuck 3-4 times a week basically back at my place after a long day at the library”

    now it sounds like she has the hand. she rewards you with sex after you spend hours in public with her. how many times have you cancelled the study session? or turned her down for sex? lol i bet not many

    “(had sex the first time either the 3rd or 4th time we hung out I can’t remember)”

    this is not great. it should be the first time. hand = she cannot risk you getting away without sampling the goods. this did not happen here. sounds like she scoped you out and when you didn’t make a move initially after isolation the first time she know she had control. also you probably helped her study better so she got value from that

    “Eventually, all we would do is go back to my place and watch a movie, talk, smoke, and have sex, sometimes she would sleep over because I didn’t want to drive her back to her place that same night (she doesn’t drive).”

    now you are also her ride and her talk buddy. not great. does she have chronic buds? hot friends? awesome cook? anything? or are you doing it all for the pussy access?

    “Three months into this, and there is one week until she leaves for a two-month vacation in Israel, and one night as I was driving her home after a sex & chill session at my place I (stupidly) asked her if our situation is going to continue when she comes back, and she responded happily saying she loves what we have going on, BUT and this is a very big BUT she feels the need to also throw in that she would never date me. Her justification was “Based on how my last relationship ended, I only date to marry” (she got cheated on in a 1.5yr long-distance relationship). Now I am not looking to date this girl, BUT my question lies in how can we analyze this girl based on what she says and my entire situation? I am very curious because this is the only thing she has ever told me that I couldn’t figure out. She just came back a few days ago and I already fucked her two days in a row and hung out with her three days in a row (movies & netflix at my place), I asked her if she fucked anyone while she was out there and she responded with “Did you fuck anyone while I was gone” I told her yeah, two girls. She responded “Oh look at you and had a big smile on her face” and then added with “I had sex with one guy out there, he was kind of my guy while I was out there. I hope that doesn’t sound weird”. Can we continue analyzing her in relation to me. I want to understand what kind of position I truly am in here, first time having FWB over two months in length, and my game is still progressing.”

    you asked because you knew she did. and she answering a question with a question eh? she’s a slippery one. aren’t they all lol

    “Notes for help with analysis”

    probably anecdotal selection bias toward negative but that’s probably illustrative

    “-She always talks about how she can’t wait to move out to Israel and live there for the rest of her life (is already looking to apply for grad school out there)”

    not only is she talking about it. she’s going there and fucking her potential new mate/orbiters. you know she in contact with him planning her future moves. branch swing in real time. what are the odds she stay in contact with you if you let her once she’s in the levant?

    “-She mentions how she hates where we live because it’s hard making friends, relating to people, and everyone is rude and not open to talk to”

    she might be unpleasant, rude and have: hard time making friends, hard time relating to people. hard time talking to people.

    “She doesn’t like giving oral sex”

    lol lol lol

    and there’s your answer.

    i have disproportionately high exposure time to jewish females and eveyone knows they don’t suck cock (and if they for some crazy chance do it stops on the wedding night) and they have weak fathers and feminist mothers and progressive values

    “PLEASE someone respond to this, I need other inputs and thoughts/analysis on this situation.”

    she has the hand. you are a placeholder and value provider similar to orbiter. she trades sex for companionship

    there may be more than one of you who drives her around and gets her high and fucks her right now and there is for sure one overseas and more likely than not, three

    she thinks she gonna find her king soloman jew alpha in israel. unceremoniously discontinue contact once she gone

    get two new fbs you actually want to fuck (this one chose you) before she goes though and then cut her off

  22. kfg

    Marianne Williamson has solved the problem keeping us from having virtually unlimited, cheap nuclear energy.

    Somewhere on a shelf or in box I have a used copy of Fallen Angels. Science fiction from the 1990’s by Larry Niven and the late Jerry Pournelle.

    https://infogalactic.com/info/Fallen_Angels_(science_fiction_novel)

    The novel takes aim at several targets of ridicule: Senator William Proxmire, radical environmentalists and mystics, such as one character who believes that one cannot freeze to death in the snow because ice is a crystal and “crystals are healing.”

    Science fiction. It was fiction, dammit, not a blueprint!

  23. Wikipedia

    “Williamson dropped out of college her junior year in 1973 and moved to New York City, intending to pursue a career as a cabaret singer. In 1979, after delving into A Course in Miracles, she returned to Houston, where she ran a combination metaphysical bookstore and coffeeshop.”

  24. Returning to the OP, of course the Alpha Widow exists. It’s a result of neuroplasticity just for a start. We know that early sexual experiences can have effects that last life long, because of the deep neural “groove” that results from “new experience plus intense emotion”.

    Multiple men here have surely seen the Alpha Widow in some form or other. The longer a woman rides the cock carousel, the greater chance of being one. Which likely is causitive of later dissatisfaction with her Beta bux, and even frivorce. Her neural channels are still flowing with mental images / emotional currents tagged to “The one that got away”.

    The way to deal with neural pathways is to make new ones. That’s the message from “Biology of Desire”, the excellent book pointed out here a few years back by ScribblerG. Did bad things happen at [location[? Then make good things happen at [location[ and file the edges off those bad memories.

    Maybe it cannot be cured, but Alpha Widowhood surely can be mitigated by another man, provided he can be the new Alpha. Unfortunately far too many Beta men don’t know this, and if they are told it they won’t / can’t do the work to make it happen.

    Rollo rightly points out how White Knights of various flavors must, must frame the issue of an Alpha Widow in terms of “rape” or “emotional violence” etc. because the alternative would be to face up to realities such as War Brides. White Knights would rather live with their pretty lies, no matter how much pain and suffering that may cause, than face reality and find a better way to relate to women.

  25. @ AR

    Maybe it cannot be cured, but Alpha Widowhood surely can be mitigated by another man, provided he can be the new Alpha. Unfortunately far too many Beta men don’t know this, and if they are told it they won’t / can’t do the work to make it happen.

    Commenter Rc sent me a link offline to an old school book As a Man Thinketh by James Allen. He wrote that before all the noise happened because of social media.

    This quote was cool:

    “A man only begins to be a man when he ceases to whine and revile, and commences to search for the hidden justice which regulates his life. And he adapts his mind to that regulating factor, he ceases to accuse others as the cause of his condition, and builds himself up in strong and noble thoughts; ceases to kick against circumstances, but begins to use them as aids to his more rapid progress, and as a means of the hidden powers and possibilities within himself.” –James Allen, 1903

  26. Neuroplasticity in the medical sense: motor movement after stroke. The vagus nerve can be accessed via the tragus (part of the ear).

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/30983963

    One such targeted strategy uses brief bursts of Vagus Nerve Stimulation (VNS) paired with rehabilitation to enhance plasticity and support recovery of upper limb function after chronic stroke. Stimulation of the vagus nerve triggers release of plasticity promoting neuromodulators, such as acetylcholine and norepinephrine, throughout the cortex. Timed engagement of neuromodulators concurrent with motor training drives task-specific plasticity in the motor cortex to improve function and provides the basis for paired VNS therapy. A number of studies in preclinical models of ischemic stroke demonstrated that VNS paired with rehabilitative training significantly improved the recovery of forelimb motor function compared to rehabilitative training without VNS.

  27. O.B.I.T.
    What strikes me is that men also have longings, what-ifs and if-onlys for women in their past — but generally seem to handle all this much differently as they move forward.

    Remember, men are the true romantics. So yeah, this exists as a form of oneitis IMO. The man who meets up with a girl in a bar, bangs a few times, moves in together, then follows her across the country when she changes jobs. If they break up, he’s gonna be hit hard. I know men like this.

    Or the beta orbiter who moves from one place to another to be “near her”. Sometimes beta orbiters go down that path; “IF only she knew how much my twu wuv is!”. Have known men like this also.

    Some frivorced men take years or even a decade to get over the multiple whammy of betrayal, lying, economic hit, etc. They may continue through the Kubler-Ross cycle while alternately yearning for a reconciliation and hating her guts.

    The most extreme cases will involve suicide. Remember why Rollo is writing.

    All this said, I don’t see it as the same thing as Alpha Widow, for the obvious reason that men are not women and women are not men with tits.

  28. Blaximus, remember Fleezer did say something about a multi-hour mushroom trip as a prereq to getting close to Williamson. That stuff would blur out a whole lot of things.

  29. Who would have thought this crew would know anything about Alpha Widows and D.P.A. Then again, they were musicians and it was 1972.

  30. J

    Lol, you missed muh point. About 60-70% of 67 year old women I see at work look like this here –

    http://cdn.tegna-tv.com/-mm-/bc557fdabc93fc35fa49bfe4c337e1b2b3c43fe7/r=320×200/local/-/media/2015/07/11/KUSA/KUSA/635722558022781635-Payton-2c-Kathleen-Ann.jpg

    All 67’s aren’t equal.

    http://static.oprah.com/2015/12/20151207-ss-mini-5-949×534.jpg

    So no, It’s not that I ” Like them old…”, but there’s ” old ” and there’s “old”.

  31. Cartoonist

    ” But most women I know are not seeking the truth—they seek happiness. And, ironically, this focus on happiness makes women hyper-aware of the areas in their lives where they are unhappy. I know women with seemingly everything they want—enough money, nice house, nice children, nice husband—and they are stressing out over the one aspect of their lives which is not working. It’s like women set themselves up for misery. The truth is that nothing can ever be 100% perfect, but this truth wars with the ‘Having It All’ mentality imprinted on so many women. And this kind of mentality is fertile ground for ‘What if?’ thinking and chronic dissatisfaction.”

    This is interesting.

    I look at it like this: True, women aren’t ” truth seekers ” in the formal sense, but they seek their own truths and depending on circumstances, that ” truth ” can be fluid as hell. This is the fickle factor so many guys run head on into when trying to figure out where a woman is coming from, and making the mistake of trying to give her what she says she wants.

    Nice has an expiration with most women because a measure of boredom can set in. Women can find more satisfaction in that which they ( feel ) they’ve had to work at. Keeps them out of their own heads too much.

    Bored women stress. Stressed women are harder to deal with and can seem unpredictable because they’re being fueled by feelz. Feelings change? Attitude and level of satisfactions change.

    It seems counterintuitive to not provide your woman with everything she wants, but it depends on how these things are provided. The easier she gets what should make her all happy and whatnot, the less actual happiness she’ll have.

    My first wife needed a new car. Her first car, that she bought herself right before we were dating, wasn’t going to cut it with our young daughter. I understood the need. I took her to a chevy dealership to look at Iroc Camaros ( lol, it was the late 80’s and Irocs were the shit for a while ). She fell in love with a sharp,blue, fully loaded Iroc Z. So I made her a deal: I’d match whatever she came up with for a down payment, and I’d make the payments – she’d pay the insurance, and I’d get her ” old ” car ( A 1972 Dodge Charger SE….YES!!!! ). It couldn’t be ” sit back and relax honey and I’ll take care of everything “.

    It’s not that they set themselves up for misery so much as they’re not certain exactly what it is that they want long(er) term. All that is subject to change dependent on how much work they have to do to get what they want – as well as maintain these things.

    Lol, I took the Charger to my Dad’s shop, and she didn’t see it again for 2 years. In that time I’d completely restored it. Once she asked me ” why didn’t you just do that in the first place for me ?” and I responded ” because I didn’t want to “.

    I guarantee you that she parsed that ” didn’t want to ” for a while. Kept her out of her head as the focus. They are unhappy in their own heads too much.

    Lol, my current wife is needing a new car right about now. She went out looking at Highlanders. Brought me back prices and everything, lol. Same plan kinda: She’s to come up with 20-25% of the price tag ( without touching her savings ), I’ll write a check for the rest – presto change-o no car payments.

    She’s selling women’s jewelry at home now. lmao.

    …. I’m not going to be making car payments @ 60 years old, fuck that noise.

    The trick is to give them what they want ( within reason ) without giving them what they want….if that makes sense.

  32. @Blax:
    About the cars and what you did with the 1st wife I get.

    About the 2nd wife now, I’m a bit confused with the particulars. If you don’t think this is too much info, enlighten me.
    I think the missing piece is you have the “rest” of the money stashed in retirement plans or something not very liquid (IIRC you have an extra house somewhere else for example), you don’t strike me as the kind of guy that regularly spends all he earns.

    Cars in the U.S. are relatively cheap and from previous posts your income level was mid to high. It shouldn’t take you 2 years to “set money aside”. I went to look at Toyota Highlander and it looks like it is 30k to 40k new so it is indeed an expensive one (for my standards at least) – but wouldn’t you just buy an used one in good condition for half that?

  33. I feel conflicted about some of the remarks on Marianne Williamson. I want to speak in her defence, yet I don’t want to be a White Knight. Part of me thinks I should just keep my mouth shut, but that doesn’t feel particularly masculine or courageous.

    The fact is, I admire and respect her.

    During my dark post-divorce days, I had Marianne Williamson talks on CD playing in the background and they helped tremendously. Sure, I cringe whenever she talks about angels and ‘little balls of golden light’, but underneath all the New Age jargon was a practical approach to handling emotional pain that really worked for me. A lot of what she says makes sense. I saw her speak live a couple of times when she was in London and, frankly, she was awesome. She does this Q&A thing with the audience where individuals can share whatever problems are fucking their lives up in that moment, and what struck me was the sheer intelligence with which Marianne Williamson handled some very difficult issues. She is very, very good at what she does.

    Yes, she’s 67. Yes, despite her best efforts, it shows. When she spoke to me during the Q&A, I had that ‘Holy crap!’ reaction when a woman who looks good on stage is standing three feet from you and you realise she’s older than she looks. At the same time, this woman nailed my issue after three well-chosen questions and got me to see something that had been torturing me for years.

    But now, four years later, I’m sitting with the question: Is it Blue Pill to feel genuine respect and admiration for a woman?

    By the way, I’m not saying I agree with everything she says, nor wagging my finger at anyone mocking her. Anyone who publically talks about angels knows they’ll be mocked and Marianne’s a big girl; she doesn’t need me to White Knight for her. This is more about myself. I detest the current climate in which a man is not supposed to say anything even remotely negative about a woman. However, in the manosphere, expressing admiration for a woman feels like an act of rebellion. And I’m not really the rebellious type. Yet saying nothing is cowardly.

    I suppose it boils down to this: I don’t have a problem with anyone who thinks Marianne Williamson is deserving of mockery, for whatever reason. But I want to go on record and say: I disagree. I think she’s an admirable woman.

  34. @ex-cartoonist:

    Dude. Of course you can have respect and admiration for a woman. I know it sometimes feels otherwise in the manosphere, especially when listening to guys in the “anger” phase, but of course you can.

    The Red Pill just means you have understood (and accepted/internalized) some truths about female nature and the female sexual strategy (hypergamy) and its impact on the male sexual strategy.

    What you do with it is up to you, and of course women can be deserving of admiration and respect in many different ways (ie, not just as a wife and mother but also in other fields). It obviously depends on the individual in question though.

  35. Gertrude Ederle and Beryl Burton were gods among men. They didn’t need a “women’s day,” they earned their own.

    Shauna Hogan and Chrissie Wellington are peers who can beat me at my own game.

  36. “International Women’s Day.”

    Self-adulation as empowerment. The confident don’t demand you recognize their confidence.

    It just is.

    Meh.

  37. ” . . . sorry ass Kung Fu Girl . . .”

    A girl who holds the absolute record actually is the absolute best. A girl who beats me on any given day is actually better than I am on that day.

    Getting no special consideration “because vagina” works both ways.

  38. “However, in the manosphere, expressing admiration for a woman feels like an act of rebellion.”

    That is a (not so) humorous, exaggerated simple (or clinically retarded) illustration. A bad cartoon. A group-think fail.

    You can do better.

  39. Wonder if for a few women, the “alpha” is a Disney Prince Ideal.

    This seems most often to occur when a women lost her father to some tragic event while she was developmentally preschool age, four or five. And so she never finds her “alpha;” or she finds her “alpha” but is then continually disappointed when he is a man.

    But it seems (from observation), perhaps every woman is continually disappointed about some life parameter. Sad story.

  40. Was hiking yesterday with an old group of friends, did some trail running, as we were hanging out at the trailhead talking amongst ourselves about our run/fitness(3 guys) a white couple with 3 young daughters made their way from the parking lot to the trailhead, the man and woman were in their late 30s early 40s. You could tell they had never been there before and were wondering around looking at maps , looking lost.

    The woman started giving off IOIs as soon as they walked past us, blatant IOIs, you could just see the contempt for her husband, as she considered herself “hotter/better” than him and perhaps was ashamed to even be seen with him. Finally the husband helplessly came to us for directions , they wanted to see the sunset and he asked us for the best spot, the woman was exasperated/annoyed that he had to ask but in a very passive aggressive way with a smile on her face and still playing with her hair IOIs.

    I actually got annoyed/mad for the guy, normally I remain detached and just shrug at the situation but this was even too much for me. The poor guy was just trying to take the family out for a sunset , you could just see the contempt on the face of the wife for him but yet that passive aggressive smile, he struck me as just your average family man/dad doing the best he could. I don’t care what the divorce cost is , I would kick that ungrateful bitch to the curb. Middle aged white woman are just in a different world these days, they aren’t even bothering to pretend anymore. When somebody is just trying to do a good thing and you kick dirt in his face I don’t care what the game is at the moment, that’s just lacking any shred of character to your core being, this is where a not small percentage of women are at the moment, honestly I’m not sure why anyone would even want to bed such a creature.

  41. Middle aged white woman are just in a different world these days, they aren’t even bothering to pretend anymore. When somebody is just trying to do a good thing and you kick dirt in his face I don’t care what the game is at the moment, that’s just lacking any shred of character to your core being, this is where a not small percentage of women are at the moment

    It’s really the guy’s fault for letting it get to this point. He obviously is failing, hard, at being an attractive husband to his wife, so trying to do a good thing is irrelevant, really — he’s very obviously failing, hard, at his core gig, and that is the source of his wife’s contempt for him. He only has himself to blame — AWALT. Women don’t want to be with men who repulse them — how can we blame them for that? If you let yourself become repulsive to the woman to whom you are married, well then you fail at life, and life is going to hit you like a sumbitch and you are going to deserve it 100%. Women are just being themselves — they are 100% reactive to what men do, in pretty much all cases. This guy is the source of the problem you saw, and it’s his creation — he doesn’t deserve sympathy.

  42. ” This guy is the source of the problem you saw, and it’s his creation — he doesn’t deserve sympathy.”

    Great comment.

    tbh – Foxguy, if you boned her, she would be nicer to her guy…

  43. “She is very, very good at what she does.”

    also as far as i can tell the only candidate, including bidan??, who has slept in the white house – lincoln bedroom as hillary’s advisor

    “But now, four years later, I’m sitting with the question: Is it Blue Pill to feel genuine respect and admiration for a woman?”

    i don’t know about those particular words but women are 100% irreplaceable and a perfect complement to men

    “I detest the current climate in which a man is not supposed to say anything even remotely negative about a woman. However, in the manosphere, expressing admiration for a woman feels like an act of rebellion. And I’m not really the rebellious type. Yet saying nothing is cowardly.”

    nothing in the world comes close to the touch of a woman when it comes to healing. i would pick men for nursing, triage, surgery. but women for post op and definitely for rehab. they are indeed “angels” with their touch as no laying on of hands by a man can compare. the difference is you can pay men to treat injury and they perform to top ability. to get the same from a woman in rehabilitation cannot be bought. she must do it for you of her own free will and that is rare as usually they walk away

    ride or die girls are real. you just won’t know until you almost die

    chicks dig scars for a reason

    “I suppose it boils down to this: I don’t have a problem with anyone who thinks Marianne Williamson is deserving of mockery, for whatever reason. But I want to go on record and say: I disagree. I think she’s an admirable woman.”

    i would love to have a look at her private contact list…

    and cross ref it to ghislane’s date book when it’s unsealed and unredacted

  44. Hey Fleezer – I remember you posting a comment years ago about some kind of global conspiracy of rich guys behind the scenes ruling the world, and how the world’s politicians and publicly influential people are their puppets because the real rulers control them by feeding their sexual perversions and desires etc (that’s what I remember anyway).

    How does your theory fit in with the new revelations about Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell etc? It looks like it might support what you were saying back then.

  45. ex-cartoonist
    I feel conflicted about some of the remarks on Marianne Williamson. I want to speak in her defence, yet I don’t want to be a White Knight. Part of me thinks I should just keep my mouth shut, but that doesn’t feel particularly masculine or courageous.

    The fact is, I admire and respect her.

    I know some men who claim to have benefitted a lot from Tony Robbins seminars. Doesn’t mean Robbins is qualified to be President.

  46. ” . . . rich guys behind the scenes ruling the world, and how the world’s politicians and publicly influential people are their puppets because the real rulers control them by feeding their sexual perversions and desires etc . . .”

    It’s a pretty obvious strategy, innit?

  47. @Nova, Sentient

    10-4, yes it ultimately is his responsibility. I put myself in this guys shoes yesterday in realtime and realistically he is just an average guy, what true options does he have within his reality, not many 100% responsibilty with almost 0% authority as Rollo has pointed out.

    I saw the hidden pain in his face and it hit me and I felt compassion for him. My compassion does nothing for him ultimately.

  48. “Women don’t want to be with men who repulse them.”

    I get that.

    OTOH, who made women the arbiter of masculinity? It’s a paradox for the manosphere to dismiss women as non-sentient emotion slaves and then righteous (correct) judges of men.

    If we know masculinity within a spectrum, and we stay within that spectrum, then a man’s life will reinforce that sensibility IRT. There’s a tendency here, a demand, that men live on the margins of 1) contentiousness vs. the modern woman and 2) masculinity for masculinty’s sake.

    #1 executes war against women.

    #2 executes war against men.

    If one can’t see the purpose of extending himself beyond his collapsing frame, by all means, charge the Gatling guns. What could go wrong alienating one’s self from half the population? How about everyone?

    To wit: Johann might as well go supergay or incel or 9mm retirement plan (or all 3 which is the usual path to perdition) considering the idiotic esoteric corner into which he paints himself.

    I hope he reconsiders his solipsistic hatred. He smacks of simmering violence and best stay basement-bound.

  49. This just in:

    Disney/ABC decline to even hear the pitch for a new Stallone produced, Lundgren staring action series, because they are only interested in female led projects.

  50. “How does your theory fit in with the new revelations about Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell etc? It looks like it might support what you were saying back then.”

    to be clear, i’ve never done a single dig and i’m a troll, not a researcher, so anything i’ve learned and posted is because of the hard work of others. i hated fractional reserve bankers and the federal reserve. that’s where my path crossed with the digital army and i started paying attention because it was so fucking crazy sounding and i wanted to debunk it because i thought they were taking attention away from our real enemies, the bankers

    a “rusty shakleford” is when you get a bj from a girl while she tries to tell you about conspiracy theories

    it’s also a youtube handle where somebody has posted extensive footage of little st james. mocking the vitcim? who knows

    “caris james”

    seth rich > aaron rich > mega upload dropbox > julian assange

    skippy and his “pizza related map”. tom steyer and his “walnut sauce”. playing “dominoes on cheese or pasta”

    there are thousands of smart and dedicated people with eyes on this stuff 24 hours a day…

    and a good reason ali velshi/msnbc et al are so intent on getting rid of infinite chan

    dershowitz confirmed that ghislaine was once a client. once a client always a client. rumor is dersh is advising maxwell how to get her date book redacted for national security reasons using the same logic bill barr used to justify releasing weissman/mueller report with such minimal redaction

    dersh is a slippery fuck and watching him post insane shit about stat rape on twitter is hilarious

    so as to not be a total dickhead, i’ll circle back to OP and say that what i’ve seen points to the idea that very few women are actually alpha widows and it’s more often the case that they are handling even the most “powerful” men in the world

    george w bush was always afriad of his mom. why? because she kept the fetus of one of his dead premie siblings in a jar in the kitchen

    marianne williamson is somebody. evelyn rothchild also spent a night in the lincoln bedroom. but just one because the accomodations suck. then 9/11 happened.

    building 7. solomon brothers. al franken admitting getting the “jew call”….

    at this point almost nothing would surprise me and if i’m being honest, the oval office meeting on the day before the 50th anniversary of apollo 11 with potus and buzz and neil armstrongs family was the most fucked up awkward thing i have ever seen broadcast. the people in that room looked like they had just seen a ghost and the head of nasa looked like he shat himself

    “I know some men who claim to have benefitted a lot from Tony Robbins seminars. Doesn’t mean Robbins is qualified to be President.”

    he married a chick who already had three kids lol

    “13 tweets within the last hour about Rollo. 100% of his feed…. 100%…”

    lol people paid him??

  51. Check this out. I want to give him the benefit of the doubt. But it sounds like propaganda to me.

  52. @Fleezer

    “so as to not be a total dickhead, i’ll circle back to OP and say that what i’ve seen points to the idea that very few women are actually alpha widows and it’s more often the case that they are handling even the most “powerful” men in the world”

    Interesting insight , I’ve had this same discussion with others, I call it the pretending to be a pawn game while indirectly controlling the game.

  53. “Marianne Williamson”

    would bang*

    *three hours into heavy mushroom trip

    I was thinking more “drunk out of my mind,” but to each their own and I agree with the basic thrust of your argument, though I can’t say that I’d really get behind it

    with it dark and a woman on her back, the face looks a whoooole lot better

    sometimes you only do missionary because alternatives are too hideous to bear

  54. “Disney/ABC decline to even hear the pitch for a new Stallone produced, Lundgren staring action series, because they are only interested in female led projects.”

    explains why I haven’t gone to see a new movie in ages

  55. “Disney/ABC decline to even hear the pitch for a new Stallone produced, Lundgren staring action series, because they are only interested in female led projects.”

    I, for one, am getting pretty sick and tired of this female-dominated shit on Netfucks and elsewhere

  56. @Yollo Comanche:

    Just wait until the Hawks discover that they can just let the Doves eat all the algae and then eat the Doves.

  57. IAS

    ” About the 2nd wife now, I’m a bit confused with the particulars. If you don’t think this is too much info, enlighten me.
    I think the missing piece is you have the “rest” of the money stashed in retirement plans or something not very liquid (IIRC you have an extra house somewhere else for example), you don’t strike me as the kind of guy that regularly spends all he earns.

    Cars in the U.S. are relatively cheap and from previous posts your income level was mid to high. It shouldn’t take you 2 years to “set money aside”. I went to look at Toyota Highlander and it looks like it is 30k to 40k new so it is indeed an expensive one (for my standards at least) – but wouldn’t you just buy an used one in good condition for half that?”

    Lol, I don’t have ” formal ” training in finance(s), so I devised a plan that works for me and my skills/abilities.

    Monies set aside for retirement don’t ever get touched. Ever. Not until I’m retired. But I stay very very liquid at all times.

    In my late 20’s-early 30’s I decided that I didn’t like working for other people or companies, but at that time pension plans and health care was being offered, so I joined in and played the game, but deep down I always wanted the ability to be able to tell my ” boss(es)” to go fuck themselves if necessary without suffering financial destruction. Another impetus was a near bankruptcy I suffered because of being out of work temporarily due to illness ( I found out the limitations of my company health care plan the hard way ). I vowed to NEVER go through anything like that ever again as long as I was breathing.

    I haven’t depended solely on my work salary since the early 90’s. I have a personal rule that at least 50% of my salary is to be saved/invested.

    When I was a bit younger, I could make as much, sometimes more, ” working ” outside of the corporations. That was when I could work all day and all night and still have a life and knock my wife out in bed every night, lol. I’ve slowed way down over the past decade though, but I set a goal of still ” earning ” at least 500-1000 a month at a minimum.

    The prices wifey brought me for her Highlander were in the 32-36k range. Imo, knowing cars as well as I do, that’s an insane price point for what you get for the money ( overpriced ). But every car sold today is way overpriced soooo….. at least I know that she will take very good care of it and probably keep it 10+ years.

    Plus, I have a daughter in college and there will be no saddling with college debt.

    Okay, I’ll give you the TMI rundown of some of the ways I make cash to do shit like pay for college and buy overpriced 4 wheel drive Toyotas.

    I have varied interests and hobbies, and since I was a teenager I’ve been able to acquire skills and monetize them. I am an artist at heart ( or is that autist??) and I create volumes and volumes of work. It’s how I relax and stay centered and focused. For the past 5-6 years I’ve embarked on oil painting because it was the last piece of the puzzle for me. It takes time and a lot of practice to get to the point that I consider myself ” pretty good “, and all that practice creates an awful lot of paintings that I don’t really have space for ( plus oils take a very long time to dry/cure ), so when people offer to buy my work, I sell it ( after it’s been framed (( I do that too )) because it’s ” worth more ” framed. ). This past winter, I sold a friend a giant painting of Bob Marley ( 4ftx2.5ft ). She offered me 400 dollars for it, as she’d seen a Large framed Marley painting in a NY gallery for 1,200 bucks, and she says mine was nicer. A week later her sister bought another Marley I had, same size, for 500 dollars. There’s one left now, and I’m giving it to my sister.

    I can make lots of cash fixing and selling cars. That’s my main fallback. I’m an ASE certified mechanic, and from time to time I will contract myself out to busy shops for a weekend. I also have my ” hacking laptop ” and software that I use to read computer systems/ ECU-ECM /OBD2 codes, but I can ” hack ” most major car brands and gather more information that a lot of dealerships. Example: Last year I bought a 2014 Honda accord for 8 thousand dollars. The car was caught in a minor flood and the next day it wouldn’t move forward or backward at all. Honda and AAmco said the transmission was damaged by water and would either need rebuilding or replacement. I paid cash for the car ( the owner laughed at me saying ” it’s 4 grand for a transmission..”) My laptop said there was a ” voltage issue ” with the TCU/Module. Long story shortened, I replaced the unit/module with a junkyard replacement for 80 dollars, cleared the code, and drove the car 500 miles without problems.

    Then I put a ” for sale ” sign on it, asking 15,900. I took 15,000, and it sold in a week.

    The backup plan was a) get a junkyard transmission for 1,000 dollars, or b) try to rebuild it myself or c) break the car up and sell it’s parts.

    Usually I do something like that at least once a year. Right now I have a 2016 Toyota Camry behind my garage with fire damage under the hood. It’s a melted mess, Lmao. The salvage title cost 3,500 bucks. Used SE’s go for 16-18 thousand. I might be looking at 3-5 thousand in parts, and a whole lotta ” time “. Wiring/sensors can get complicated. All the plastic and rubber under the hood has been incinerated.

    But it’s a side project that I’m certain will teach me a few new things, then hopefully it will net me a 9-10 thousand dollar profit ( I don’t really count ” time ” in these cases. I’ll mass around with it 10-15 minutes daily and a few hours on the weekends ).

    I can do a lot of ” home work “. I’m sure I’ll re-tile a couple of bathrooms this year, refinish or install a few wood floors, build a deck, finish a basement…..fix a flatscreen or two, build a couple of ” Gamer ” boxes, uninfect a dozen pc’s/laptops/tablets… lots of work out there.

    So I will but wife a car without noticing any financial impact, only time. I could buy a used one, but I think she ” deserves ” a new car with a factory warranty, lol. Let Toyota fix it if it breaks.

    I earn by sweat you could say. It’;s my father’s fault because he taught me to ” work your way out of a hole “.

  58. Addendum:

    Disney has also announced that they will be “reimagining” Home Alone. We can imagine how that might be done in light of what they’ve been doing lately.

    Pretty soon, given how much imaginative ability they’ve been showing lately, they’ll be reimagining their reimaginations:

  59. Fascinating stuff Blax. And you didn’t even have to follow some motivational coach on “how to create a side hustle” or pay $500 for a special course.

    Basically you’re monetizing the hobbies you do for fun anyway so your time is zero cost, so the whole thing is profitable.

    I’ve been trading crypto for the last year which is shaping up to be an interesting side hustle. First few months I lost a ton of money because I had no idea what I was doing, then I got a bit of a grip and made money consistently for a few months (made back about half of what I lost), and currently I am underwater on a couple of big trades, but still learning.

    How do you monetize your IT support work though? Disinfecting laptops and all that? I’m out of practice now but I was basically the IT help desk for everyone on my street as a teen, and I worked in (and later ran) the college computer lab so I have the tech chops, but how do you market yourself and charge? Just word of mouth family and friends etc?

  60. @Anonymous Reader

    I wonder which of the burglars in the reworked Home Alone will be trans?

    as a bumbling ‘bad guy’?…lol… surely you jest…

    more likely to have the ‘kid’ be transitioning into a ‘strong independent ‘woman’… ‘

    with the bumbling burglars as trad-con white christian men…

    and i wish i was kidding…

    good luck!

  61. Red trucker hats is a mark for execution.

    The script for The Hunt features the red-state characters wearing trucker hats and cowboy shirts, with one bragging about owning seven guns because it’s his constitutional right. The blue-state characters — some equally adept with firearms — explain that they picked their targets because they expressed anti-choice positions or used the N-word on Twitter. “War is war,” says one character after shoving a stiletto heel through the eye of a denim-clad hillbilly.

  62. Culum

    ” How do you monetize your IT support work though? Disinfecting laptops and all that? I’m out of practice now but I was basically the IT help desk for everyone on my street as a teen, and I worked in (and later ran) the college computer lab so I have the tech chops, but how do you market yourself and charge? Just word of mouth family and friends etc?”

    Sometimes I try to limit the IT stuff because it reminds me of being at work, but the references come from friends and family, and friends and family of friends. I don’t market myself at all. My father always said ” let your work speak for itself “. People will get a laptop hosed and call me up asking if I’d take a look, or somebody will try to set up a home network and can’t get it to work and ask if I can help, or they won’t have decent Wi-Fi on the second floor of their home….stuff like that.

    I usually won’t charge friends or family, but normally they will pay me for my time and because they’re happy their shit is working, lol. Sometimes someone will tell me that they got a ” quote ” to fix something and I’ll tell them I can do it for half of that.

    Folks at work will approach me with IT type issues they have. Those folks get charged. Once you take care of one, a dozen more trickle in.

    Gamer dudes pay the most though. I used to build PS4/Xbox clones ( or a combination )and put led lights inside , lmao, and I’ve sold them for 14-1500 bucks a shot. I’ve built desktop towers out of wood ( furniture quality ) for quite a few people.

    The only exception to the ” don’t charge fam and friends ” rule is if I don’t have time or interest, and they are really insistent. And they have time constraints. I’ll give them a fair but high price, and if they pay, I work by their timetable.

    Because that’s more like work.

    Lol, true story: About 3 years ago some Newark detectives rang my doorbell. They asked permission to search/look in my backyard and basement because they were chasing a suspect through backyards and lost him behind my house, an they figured he might be hanging out around the house.

    So I let them in and let them search and do their thing, but they didn’t find the guy.

    So one of the detectives, and older grizzled gentleman, mentioned that he really liked the centerpiece on the dinning room table and asked where I bought it. I told him I made it, and he naturally said ” gtfoh “, lol. He said his wife would love something like that, and he asked how much I charge to make one like that. I quoted him 90-100 bucks. ” how long does it take?” he asked, and I told him about 2-4 hours depending. He gave me 40 dollars and his card and said ” okay make one and call me when it’s ready to pickup and I’ll bring the rest of the money “.

    I called him in a couple of days, and he came to pickup the centerpiece ( my neighbors were ” concerned ” about the unmarked police car in front of my house, lol ) and he asked a bunch of questions/interrogation. I told him I usaually do some for each season and holidays. Christmas was the busiest times.

    He bought some christmas centerpieces to give as gifts.

    Last year he contacted me again. His daughter was getting married and he wondered if I could do 50 small centerpieces for the reception, and a large one for the bride and groom’s table. I would have 2 months to finish them. I quoted him 2500 for everything and he agreed ( but asked for a ” cash discount “, lol. I told him that was the cash discount )..

    So I wind up doing lots of weddings and baby showers and sweet sixteen stuff like that when I feel like it. All of it by referrals.

    Right now I’m working on a combination gas grill and smoker for a friend. He recently bought a house and it’s my house warming gift to him. Btw, gas grills are a complete rip-off, 2-300 dollars for 50-75 dollars worth of parts. I built a 6 burner grill with an attached ” smoke box ” out of heavy gauge steel for about 150 dollars in material ( I have a welding certification for what that’s worth, lol).

    After that, I’m going on vacation.

  63. @ Rollo

    Thanks for making me even more suspicious of female nature…

    Before becoming a Rational Male reader, I was thinking that, counting the months, mom was caught. OK, without hormonal birth control, that’s how lots of marriages were founded. No big deal, stuff just happens.

    After being a Rational Male reader for a while, I was thinking maybe mom caught dad on-purpose. Hmmm, ready to leave the carousel and he had the makings of an Apex Beta (I have never heard anyone use this term–but it makes sense to me.) Plus, mom’s SMV would have taken a hit, if she started showing before getting a commitment.

    After reading this post, I was thinking…What if mom was caught by an alpha, couldn’t get him to commit and convinced dad he was the father to catch him and all his apex beta provisioning.

    Then, I thought, it would have been the perfect crime because, my oldest sibling is deceased, and there would be no way of proving anything.

    Then, I thought, maybe mom killed of my oldest sibling to cover her tracks… OK, maybe I’ve gone too far, or have I?

  64. Strange that no one mentioned The Moody Blues’ Your Wildest Dream. Imagine a man doing that. The media would go in frenzy.

  65. @Sentient [Bruno on marriage…
    https://twitter.com/GeorgeBruno/status/1158190277196156929
    “It’s ok to have had a good marriage but have a bad divorce.
    Some understand this.”]

    How can these clowns not understand Briffault’s Law: The female, not the male, determines all the conditions of the animal family. Where the female can derive no benefit from association with the male, no such association takes place.

    It’s like they are oblivious, good marriage-bad divorce, really, no, you twits, she no longer had any use for you, take that in your pipe and smoke it……

  66. Sentient [Bruno on marriage…
    https://twitter.com/GeorgeBruno/status/1158190277196156929
    “It’s ok to have had a good marriage but have a bad divorce.
    Some understand this.”]

    How can these clowns not understand Briffault’s Law: The female, not the male, determines all the conditions of the animal family. Where the female can derive no benefit from association with the male, no such association takes place.

    It’s like they are oblivious, good marriage-bad divorce, really, no, you twits, she no longer had any use for you, take that in your pipe and smoke it……

  67. Off topic but relevant to Rollo:

    https://www.elitedaily.com/p/college-men-are-finally-asking-for-consent-but-only-because-theyre-afraid-of-being-metood-18366000

    A loooooong time ago, when “yes means yes” came up, Rollo Tomassi (and I, to a lesser extent) predicted that it would come to mean consistent and constant verbal communication, that consent would have to be explicitly verbally given, and that nonverbal forms of communication would not suffice.

    Rollo was right.

    From the article (Emphasis mine):

    “Consent is a constant dialogue between partners that fosters comfort and care during sex,” Jennifer Wiggins, M.A., assistant director of sexual assault response and prevention at Georgetown University, staff clinician and sexual assault specialist, and rape crisis counselor, tells Elite Daily. “Consent is given at the free will of each participant and can be revoked at any point in time.”

    The conversations happening in classrooms are also taking place in bedrooms. Eighty-four percent of those surveyed say their previous sexual partners have asked them for active, verbal consent while having sex since 2017.

    Rollo called this at least 3 years ago. He was right. Exactly what he predicted came to pass. “Yes Means Yes” requires explicit, verbal consent, according to the scholars and thinkers who are driving the public discourse and policymaking on this issue.

  68. Deti

    You just have to add that consent can also be retroactively withdrawn… And there we are.

    Pretty gross image of an entire faculty invested in showing grown humans how to correctly have sex.

  69. “It’s ok to have had a good marriage but have a bad divorce.

    Some understand this.”

    What is he implying? I have no idea.

    Or is he just pandering to his paying audience? (as part of 21Con crowd. Telling guys they are OK. And listen up…, we have a lecture to give to you to make you feel better….)

    That’s clinically retarded. It isn’t OK to have a bad divorce. Unless you need something to light a fire underneath your ass.

  70. “Pretty gross image of an entire faculty invested in showing grown humans how to correctly have sex.”

    Sex devolved into negotiation for negotiation’s sake. There is nothing unknown why people have sex within the faculty’s and common legal understanding. Sex is about ego-investment thus can be regulated like any other commodity.

    Jokes on them. Sex with no mystery has no meaning, has no purpose. It’s like they’re telling us how to wipe our ass correctly, why we do it and how it effects the greater public good. There’s no sensible purpose to sex now and every description omitting purposeful living becomes banal and necessarily convoluted in its new understanding.

    AF/BB sex is a distinction without a difference. There’s no higher meaning to that either. Both will be #metoo’d. When the AF sex stops, her feel-good post-coitus summarily stops, and she’s disappointed. When the BB provisioning stops, she’s disappointed too. That once desire turns to hatred, as that AF or BB isn’t giving her what she wants, and she’ll assert damage to her ego by claiming she didn’t want THAT kind of sex, she wanted eternal happy-feeling sex. Ego maintenance assuages her vacancy of meaning. Live by the sex or provisioning or both, die by it too.

    This isn’t about sex, though the way guys write you’d think we fuck women as a penis happens to fit nicely inside a vagina.

    Yeah, it’s gross and infantilizing and ham-fisted.

  71. Bitch Muscles has been posting pics from the “Con”vention. I see some female silhouettes occupying the seats while the twinks are making hand gestures on the stage as if they have something important to say. I think the attendance was poor and the family members may have been drafted to fill the seats for photo op.

    Is there any review / feedback from a genuine source who attended this shit show?

  72. @ If-I-Fell
    Any halfway decent DNA testing co. could sort that out. You just need a co-tester in your ostensible father’s lineage.
    Male is best, the STR/SNP results should be damn near identical, if not identical (go all the way, past a hundred STRs). Any male cousin/nephew/uncle sharing (what will almost certainly turn out to be) your official dad’s DNA. Providing of course that their mothers were in turn entirely virtuous …

    Even if there’s only females left on that side, the autosomal should show big runs of sameyness (homozygosity in boffin-speak) that don’t occur in your mother’s side, that having mostly different chunks (I hope!).
    All you need is maybe a paternal-side woman who dislikes your mom enough to agree. Shouldn’t be that hard, IME.
    But the male-descent method is better, more robust and decisive.

    Even if everybody’s dead and buried, your male-descent will these days be finegrained enough to slot you into a kindred, often right down to surname level, of guys you never met, all over the world. Have a look at Alex Williamson’s Big Tree (for R1b only, so almost exclusively of Western Euro descent, but other trees exist, often on obscure hobby sites).
    https://www.ytree.net/

    That’s how GEDmatch let the police finally finger the Golden State killer.
    https://www.livescience.com/62421-golden-state-killer-dna-genealogy.html

    Of course the least costly way to do this is to ask mama to join you in submitting samples. First develop an interest in family genealogy, the paper-record, family Bible, census and gravestone kind, as a plausible cover. Then go on to the sciency stuff and claim you need to get through some “brick walls” in the past (guaranteed to occur).
    I’ve found all that family history stuff is first-rate chick-crack, near as good as horoscopes, crystals and all that BS.

    And if she panics and refuses at the first fence .. suspicion confirmed, for almost no monies at all. Off to the vindictive aunties or proud uncles or whoever, with your spit-bottles.

  73. IRL

    I just wanted to say thank you for the ideas about activities with my son.

    I’ve found a weekend Jiu-Jitsu class near us and my son and I will be checking it out together soon with a view to joining up and training together, just like in the Warrior Kid.

    I’m thinking of making it a weekend tradition for us to do that – or some other activity – and then go for breakfast and have Man Talks.

  74. @Palmasailor

    “And I mean beg for it.”

    They’ll move on to another man, or “man”. Lol.
    It’s been pointed out many times on this blog there’s a huge sex need gap between the sexes. This sets the power balance.

    And yes, 1 man out of 20 or maybe 40 can make them beg for it. This won’t change anything else, for anybody else.

  75. @If-I-Fell

    All of that is possible, and even regularly happens (if you take the murder out of the equation).
    Consider that the mate-snatching when carousel time’s over is natural to women, most of them don’t do it consciously (= thinking: I am doing X, for purposes Y and Y’). It’s second nature.

    There was the “Greater Beta” label coined at an excellent blog (Chateau Heartiste): it’s your Apex Beta.

  76. Is there any review / feedback from a genuine source who attended this shit show?

    Not from Bobby Dino, who after begging for someone to date him in Warsaw, didn’t go…

    Neither did jack Murphy or Hunter Drew…

    Kind of tells ya everything you need to know, these guys couldn’t make a business case to incur costs.

  77. “Kind of tells ya everything you need to know, these guys couldn’t make a business case to incur costs.”

    It is not just the costs. Most of his “affiliates” will jump ship before the next “Con”vention in October. They have seen ADJ’s worst and will let him down gently by pulling the “it’s not you, it’s me” shtick. They know that any sort of liaison with him detrimental to their reputation. They are holding their nose and waiting it out for him to get his emotions in control.

    ADJ’s public outbursts make Shia LeBeouf look sane.

  78. TT

    “And yes, 1 man out of 20 or maybe 40 can make them beg for it. This won’t change anything else, for anybody else.”

    Why do you believe that only 1 man out of 20 or 40 can make them beg for it?

    I’m not sold on any ” sex need gap ” per se. Lack of understanding and beliefs create most gaps, so mind the gap.

    So in your opinion, is it the wimminz that are the cause of the 1 in 20, or is it the men?

  79. Palma

    ” They can be tied to the bed and made to beg for it, and most men could do that

    IF

    Those men had the mindset to carry it off.

    Men need to adapt to that.”

    ^^^^ This right here. +100

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