The Reconstruction IV

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The Red Pill shows you the dark side of women. Not so that you will hate them but so you appreciate them for what they are, not what they’re not.

I think one of the harder aspects of the Red Pill for men who get awakened-while-married (or while monogamous) to accept is the disillusionment of their Blue Pill idealism about women confirmed for them in the behavior and mindsets of their wives. Breaking the Blue Pill ego-investments of single men who unplug is a difficult task, but their investment risk in women (real or imagined) they believe might make acceptable long-term mates is far less than a man who’s been married for more than 4 or 5 years.

For the single Red Pill guy with the option to simply walk away from a less than optimal situation, his conflict becomes one of potentials and weighing them against his Blue Pill ideals – ideals his unplugging should rid him of. His struggles is one about the “what ifs” and disabusing himself of the scarcity mentality that the Blue Pill has conditioned him for. While Hypergamy inherently instills in women a persistent doubt about a man’s quality, the Blue Pill instills in men a doubt about “quality” women’s scarcity and his capacity to find and maintain a ‘soul mate‘.

However for married men, with a considerable amount of emotional, social, financial and familial investment at stake in his marriage, there’s a natural resistance that comes in the form of denial. What’s tough is that, within this initial state of denial, a husband accepts the Red Pill truths about women and then has those truths confirmed for him by the woman he’s been sleeping next to for a number of years. All of the awareness about men and women’s differing concepts of love, the truth of women’s Hypergamously motivated opportunism, her confirming her open Hypergamy, all of the events that led up to his committing himself in marriage to her while he was still effectively Blue Pill – all of that gets confirmed for him when he puts into practice the concepts he learns from the Red Pill.

For all of the ‘anger’ that profiteering critics would like to wipe off on Red Pill thought, that anger finds its base in men’s confirming their own role in what was (or would’ve been) a life-long strategy for him to fulfill the dictates of women’s Hypergamy as well as the larger scope of the Feminine Imperative. When we put this into the perspective of a married man who unplugs, you can see why this is such a threat to the imperative. That man must reassess his life from the position of his being an unwitting participant in his Blue Pill conditioning, but furthermore, he becomes a constant caution, a warning, for men who have yet to make the same uneducated decisions he has.

There is nothing more depressing to me than to listen to a married man parrot back all of the tropes the Feminine Imperative has taught him to repeat about why he’s in the subservient role in his marriage. These are the guys who’ll laughingly tell single men how they must “clear everything with the Boss” before they are allowed (or will allow themselves) to participate in anything remotely masculine or self-entertaining. These are the men who prattle about their ‘honey-do’ lists, the men who count themselves fortunate to have such a ‘great wife’ who’ll allow him to watch hockey or football on a weekend. I wrote a more detailed post about these men in The Abdication Imperative.

These husbands are depressing to me because, in their Blue Pill ignorance, they represent the summation of their roles according to the strategies of the Feminine Imperative. They’ll gladly White Knight for their wives’ right to the Frame of their marriage (under the pretense of equalism). They’ll laugh and commiserate with other husbands sharing their position of powerlessness-but-with-all-accountability. They’ll chirp with funny little Facebook memes that share their ridiculous, married state, but for all of that acquiescing to their ‘fates’ what they really represent is the goal-state of men in the Feminine Imperative’s plan for their lives.

Men generally come to the realization of their appointed role at some point in their lives. Whether it’s Red Pill awareness or coming to a mid life crisis epiphany, men get ‘woke’ in some respect. The few who don’t are men whose existence literally depends on their not coming to terms with how the Blue Pill has made them what/who they are. The most common way for men to come into this awareness has been that mid-life epiphany, but in order for men to reconcile that awareness with maintaining a comfortable sense of self they become the men I describe in The Abdication Imperative. They really don’t know anything else but what the Blue Pill has created them to be, so they go into denial and add some self-deprecating humor to it to cope with the dissonance of knowing they’ve been played by the Feminine Imperative for the better part of their lives. So you get the ‘Yes Dear’ husbands; the men who realize the truth too late, but that same scarcity mentality forces them to go along to get along.

The rise of Red Pill awareness of intersexual dynamics on the internet has made for a community of men who find this denial distasteful. Rather than abdicate to the imperative and their wife’s Frame they look to the Red Pill and Game for a remedy to that state. Sometimes that’s getting their wives to have sex with them more frequently or they’re looking to better themselves in a Red Pill context to gain women’s (their wives’) respect. As I’ve mentioned many times before, the Red Pill represents a threat to the Feminine Imperative keeping men ignorant of their roles in women’s Hypergamous plans. Now that threat comes to fruition in the context of men’s marriages.

One way or another, men will become aware of their role, how that man goes about dealing with it is another story. Most (being Blue Pill) abdicate and accept their powerlessness in their relationships. It’s the other men who choose not to just cope, but to reconstruct themselves that the Red Pill will have answers for.

Break Up with Your Wife

Not too long ago in various comment threads on this blog readers had a discussion about how any marriage (at least in the contemporary sense) is always founded on a Beta status for the husband. I don’t entirely agree with that assessment, but considering how the large majority of marriages are the culmination of Blue Pill conditioned men fulfilling their role as cuckolded provider for women cashing out of the sexual marketplace it’s certainly an understandable presumption. I won’t elaborate too much on the particulars, but the very act of committing to a woman monogamously implies a man (even one with an Alpha persona) is leaning towards a Beta perception. Alpha’s don’t commit to anyone but themselves, Betas are eager to commit from necessity and scarcity. The act becomes the confirmation.

If we follow this binary logic, the only solution to a man’s condition within his marriage – the only way to institute a real change – is to reject and break that commitment. Personally, I have lived out what most men would envy in my marriage for over 20 years now, so the idea of leaving Mrs. Tomassi would only seem like a good idea if I weren’t satisfied sexually, psychologically and life-wise with her. But, as I always repeat, don’t use my marriage as a benchmark. There was a point where I needed to break up with her, if only by adopting my own mental point of origin above that of hers or women in general as my own Blue Pill conditioning would expect of me.

I mentioned in the beginning of this series that married (committed) men seeking to reconstruct themselves within that context ought to read the post for the Iron Rule of Tomassi #7:

Iron Rule of Tomassi #7
It is always time and effort better spent developing new, fresh, prospective women than it will ever be in attempting to reconstruct a failed relationship. Never root through the trash once the garbage has been dragged to the curb. You get messy, your neighbors see you do it, and what you thought was worth digging for is never as valuable as you thought it was.

I mention this as a starting point because when you’re making the decision to reconstruct yourself you must ‘do it for you’. Once again, any real change always beggars the question about who you’re really changing for. Nothing is an act of unguided, unbiased, self-initiated change – there is always some ancillary influences as well as consequences. This is the crisis of motive.

However, if you find yourself awakened-while-married and you want to remake yourself, know that this change must be for yourself and not for your wife. This decision to reconstruct your life, your persona, your belief set, etc., and reject what the Blue Pill has made of you must come as a result of making yourself your mental point of origin. This ‘new you’ precludes any consideration of your wife’s interests. It must be in order for your transformation to be genuine to both yourself and those who know the ‘old’ you. As I mentioned in the last installment, the likelihood of your wife accepting your new persona is dependent on what Frame you entered that relationship with as well as what you’ve surrendered of your self-respect to her.

This is the most difficult part for Blue Pill men wanting to reconstruct themselves. Their mental point of origin doesn’t change, they want to change because they want to be “more Alpha” for their wives, not themselves. The idea is to adopt just enough Alpha that their wives turn the sex spigot back on for them, but never really internalize the Red Pill to the point that is fundamentally changes who they are. Thus, it becomes an act not unlike newbie PUAs aping the behaviors of their mentors, but never internalizing the deeper meanings of why they work or making them part of ‘who’ they are as a person.

This is what kills a man’s reconstruction before it ever starts. That change must be a self-first proposition. Your Red Pill self-work must be intrinsically rewarding because there is absolutely no guarantee that a man’s wife / girlfriend will ever reimagine him from a different perspective. Particularly if that woman entered into that marriage/LTR because she’d hoped to maintain Frame indefinitely due to him abdicating to it.

You must become Red Pill aware for the sake of knowing the larger truth, internalize it and then apply it without the pretense of believing it can be used to achieve Blue Pill ideals.

With this in mind, you must presume that you are breaking up with your wife / girlfriend. It is far better to approach your reconstruction from the idea that the Red Pill you would likely have nothing to do with a woman like your wife. If you were single man, Red Pill aware and Game savvy, would you even approach your wife knowing what you do now about her personally as well as what you know about the Feminine Imperative and how it influences her?

Your reconstruction requires a radical shift that is only possible for you by breaking up with your LTR, at least in a subconscious respect. It is important to assess what, if anything, is worth rooting through garbage for. If you approach your reconstruction by first making yourself your mental point of origin, the next step is to assume you will be breaking up with your wife. It may never come to that, but this is the gravity with which a man must come to his reconstruction. The same reasoning I mention in Rooting through Garbage applies to your reconstruction:

Even if you could go back to where you were, any relationship you might have with an ex will be colored by all of the issues that led up to the breakup. In other words, you know what the end result of those issues has been. It will always be the 800 pound. gorilla in the room in any future relationship. As I elaborated in the Desire Dynamic, healthy relationships are founded on genuine mutual desire, not a list of negotiated terms and obligations, and this is, by definition, exactly what any post-breakup relationship necessitates. You or she may promise to never do something again, you may promise to “rebuild the trust”, you may promise to be someone else, but you cannot promise to accept that the issues leading up to the breakup don’t have the potential to dissolve it again. The doubt is there. You may be married for 30 years, but there will always be that one time when you two broke up, or she fucked that other guy, and everything you think you’ve built with her over the years will always be compromised by that doubt of her desire.

You will never escape her impression that you were so optionless you had to beg her to rekindle her intimacy with you.

It is always time and effort better spent developing new, fresh, prospective women than it will ever be in attempting to reconstruct a failed relationship. This is the same rationale you will need to adopt when you transition into a new Red Pill aware persona. This is necessary because once you’ve become aware there is no going back to that previous state of ignorance. You will know what can be possible with or without your wife/LTR.

Thus, it is important to zero everything out and treat your old wife as a new prospective woman. This perspective may mean she becomes someone not worth your effort, but it might also mean she likes the prospect of a new husband. This may mean she too will have to undertake some kind of transformation in relating to a Red Pill aware husband, or it might be that this is something she never foresaw. Dread works best when a man understands the Cardinal Rule of Relationships: In any relationship, the person with the most power is the one who needs the other the least.

By adopting the mindset that you are breaking up with her you reclaim this power – you have nothing to lose and have no way of going back to unknowing the Red Pill awareness you have now. For single men I often point out that breaking up with a girl is one of the best ways to demonstrate higher value (DHV). The downside to that is that by the time you get to the point of leaving DHV isn’t what you really care about. For the reconstructing man, adopting the position that you are breaking up (or have broken up) harnesses some of this DHV.

Most women (wives) will interpret your new self-importance as some kind of phase or your reclaiming your independence (rather than her co-dependence) as some childish sulking behavior. Anticipate this. She will presume you’re ‘going your own way’ within the marriage to force her to fuck you more or to get her to comply with your Frame. This is to be expected, but watch what her initial reactions to your takeaway are. This will give you an insight into how she perceives you. If you’re predominantly Beta her response will be that you’re pouting or sulking by removing your attention. If she sees you as Alpha her response will be much more serious and you’ll get the “what’s wrong baby?” reaction. This is a good starting point in determining her genuine perception of you.

You will effectively be NEXTing your wife so be prepared for her post-NEXTing behavior-set (extinction burst behavior) in the same way you would if you dropped a plate. This will be a tough transition for men who have invested themselves emotionally in their wives. You’ll want to come back to that place of comfort, but always remember that place is one of disrespect and sexlessness.

Most men will go half-way in their reconstruction and this is usually the result of having played a game of relationship ‘chicken’. They have their bluff called because it was always a bluff to them – they never made themselves their mental point of origin so they go back to the safety of their Blue Pill disrespect. Their wives respond to the takeaway of their attention, but never really connect with being attracted to his new self-respect and self-importance. Once that woman even marginally steps up her sexual frequency – motivated by her wanting him to return to her Frame – the guy gets comfortable and wants to go back to his comfy wife while feeling validated by thinking he made a genuine change that she responded to.

You must go all the way. If you don’t, the next time you attempt to exercise your Red Pill awareness in the hope that she’ll accept the new you, you’ll be that much more laughable to her. In fact, you’ll only further cement her perception of your whiny Beta status. The first time it’s Dread, the second time it’s you being pissy.

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TuffLuv
TuffLuv
6 years ago

@thedeti .. and let’s not ignore that rewriting the asshole into a complete dastardly villain is the primary MO of bitch lawyers who represent these bitches. They subtly convey to the woman that they’ll believe anything the woman tells them, because why wouldn’t they.. and off she goes writing her wildest fantasies of harsh captivity. Some of the shit was really entertaining stuff I never knew about myself. I am one fine villain indeed. This is why.. Men, if you’re heading for divorce.. hear me now. Give it up early, because you will in the end.. Accept that you’re losing… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
6 years ago

ASD Is there anything in DPA that requires that a man have some understanding of women or that guarantees that he will have useful mating skills (at least naturals have mating skills, even if they don’t understand them)? Some workable Game is required. DPA by itself isn’t enough. DPA builds value, but other things are required, like no Oneitis. Blue Pill thinking inhibits understanding women. Ton will tell you about lots of men he knows who are DPA but are clueless about women and get played by women. Anonymous Reader is winning the argument. Again from the top. Alpha is… Read more »

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
6 years ago

“it is women who often wind up becoming the rodents and vermin you are trying to exterminate …”

Not only do you and women in general not tell stories well, you seem unable to understand stories either. I think there’s a permanent indignancy post around here somewheres…Aha!

https://therationalmale.com/2011/10/17/indignation/

othergrain
othergrain
6 years ago

Honestly IB, you really have a knack for barfing up words without actually saying anything. When you say “we” who do you mean? “We” as a society, have done everything short of minority report-style preventative physical restraint in stopping male on female violence. With your clever terrier-rodent metaphor (not to be confuzzled with the dog-cat language one so often used here), you’re missing the point that the rodents are a nuisance, and everyone celebrates when their little, disease-spreading necks are snapped. For your shitty parallel to actually make sense, the dogs would all be muzzled, and if they showed any… Read more »

kfg
kfg
6 years ago

” . . . it is women who often wind up becoming the rodents and vermin you are trying to exterminate from the barn.”

Have ya ever thought of being at least as useful as a cow?

insanitybytes22
6 years ago

“With your clever terrier-rodent metaphor (not to be confuzzled with the dog-cat language one so often used here), you’re missing the point that the rodents are a nuisance, and everyone celebrates when their little, disease-spreading necks are snapped.”

Are talking about rodents or women? When one promotes, advocates, glorifies in perceiving women as disease ridden rodents who’s necks ought to be snapped, it’s not so hard to see the roots of violence towards us. So 90% of men will just laugh you off, but 10% won’t, 10 % will use those words as validation and justification for abusing women.

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
6 years ago

Hmm, dysfunctional animal hierarchy…as metaphor for real life…where the weak manipulate the strong for their machinations…

“Once Snowball (men) becomes a scapegoat, Napoleon (FI) begins to purge the farm with his dogs (HR), killing animals he accuses of consorting with his old rival.”

“The pigs (women) start to resemble humans (men), as they walk upright, carry whips, and wear clothes. The Seven Commandments are abridged to a single phrase: “All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others”.”

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
6 years ago

IB in short:

Women on the other hand almost exclusively rely upon personal experience and anecdotal evidence to form a premise; only using extrinsic information to support their personal interpretations when the source agrees with that premise. The innate solipsism of women promotes a self-centric primary position as the beginning of forming a premise and then progresses to extrinsic sources for ancillary support.

https://therationalmale.com/2011/12/29/point-counterpoint/

newlyaloof
6 years ago

@Rollo, please be like Cypher in the Matrix and pull IB’s brain plug.

insanitybytes22
6 years ago

“In fact, I have more men seeking my counsel and my writings BECAUSE they were at a point of suicide due to being raised in the church to be the ideal supplicating Beta you think I should instruct in whatever approved form of masculinity would make you comfortable.” Well, I think I’ve already said, I just don’t see it. That doesn’t exist anywhere in my world. All the churches here are primarily made up of men. All the men I know who actually embrace their masculinity, happen to be Christian men. Feminists blame the church for oppressing women, you blame… Read more »

othergrain
othergrain
6 years ago

Context, woman, can you sense it? I was pointing out how the parallel YOU made didn’t work because of how the farmer treats the rodent is DIFFERENT than how society treats the female…fuck…

Must be masochistic, staying in the comments section here.

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
6 years ago

“Well, I think I’ve already said, I just don’t see it.” Q.E.D. My church is run by men, but is empty of youthful parishioners, esp. men. The KOC is hoary, and panting for breath and the men’s groups encourage the FI heavy-lifting, man up or shut up, which benefits no one, ultimately. What you see is not what you get with modern Christianity. RP dispenses with the churchy WK slave mentality static. There’s century’s-old solid philosophy within there, somewhere, buried under the layers of cultural decay. Sure, I’m a token dad, built as a cash spigot, as a tool for… Read more »

insanitybytes22
6 years ago

“Context, woman, can you sense it? I was pointing out how the parallel YOU made didn’t work because of how the farmer treats the rodent is DIFFERENT than how society treats the female” In the US one third of all women murdered are murdered by intimate partners, men who were supposed to love us. Domestic violence is the leading cause of visits to the ER. In the ME we are frequently beheaded or stoned to death. In Africa we have female genital mutilation and plain old starvation. The farmer treats the rodent much like men treat the ones they are… Read more »

Agent P
Agent P
6 years ago

I wonder how many stop signs and red lights IB drives through on any given day, I mean she really is superb at missing obvious messages.

Lost Patrol
Lost Patrol
6 years ago

That doesn’t exist anywhere in my world. All the churches here are primarily made up of men.

Finally I get it. That took awhile. Not talking about planet earth. Check. Not talking about USA. Check. This makes it all easier to understand.

Agent P
Agent P
6 years ago

I would tell her to eat a bag of dicks but she’d blame us because she could’t figure out how to open the bag.

othergrain
othergrain
6 years ago

Good thing we don’t live in the middle ages or Africa…I blame your for Gostkowski’s missed PAT, moving the goalposts like that. How often, pray tell, does the woman act like the rodent? (NOT CONDONING MURDER) the male domain of violence is physical, the female’s psychological. And even then, often times they’ll move into the physical with the assumption of impunity. As I said earlier, society has done almost all it can to restrain the physical violence, without doing anything against the psychological. Yes, some men kill their wives. It’s illegal and AS I SAID IN THE METAPHOR the dog… Read more »

theasdgamer
6 years ago

@IB What is this rodent thing? Where does Rollo ever compare women to rodents? The farmer treats the rodent much like men treat the ones they are supposed to love. Insanity, you are correct…women are dying from domestic violence at far greater rates than men are dying from suicide induced by women… [irony off]…your solipsistic experience from DV shelters has blinded you to the far GREATER problem of the sky-high suicide rate of men which suicide women have induced…Blue Pill FI propaganda sets the context (cocks the trigger) for high suicide rates among men and women pull the trigger. You… Read more »

othergrain
othergrain
6 years ago

“men who were supposed to love us.”

And THERE’S the money shot, removing all accountability from widdle old women.

thedeti
6 years ago

@ IB: “That doesn’t exist anywhere in my world. All the churches here are primarily made up of men. All the men I know who actually embrace their masculinity, happen to be Christian men.” I don’t believe this for one single solitary second. Time for you to put your money where your mouth is. Where is “here”? Where are these churches you’re talking about? Links to websites for these churches. List their names and addresses. I want ACTUAL STREET ADDRESSES. I want name, address, city, state, ZIP, phone number, website address, the FULL name of the senior pastor, and the… Read more »

kfg
kfg
6 years ago

“I just don’t see it.”

That’s why your eyes don’t hurt.

thedeti
6 years ago

Women might not be dying because of DV if they didn’t have such a hankering for alpha douchebags.

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
6 years ago

This I notice: Christian feminists speak in trite, rote, throw-away, churchy phrases. “The Lord Jesus Christ is the Light, the Way, my Savior. He can be yours too!” Happy-Clappy! Testify! Oh but wait, when it comes to feminism…these comments are from the heart…passionate…histrionic almost. BTW the murder stat is overwhelmingly single women, single moms, using their sex as leverage, extracting a relationship under the idea they can have it all. Nice Try. “According to the US Justice Department crime statistics, domestic abuse is virtually nonexistent for married women living with their husbands. From 1993 to 2005, the number of married… Read more »

insanitybytes22
6 years ago

“And THERE’S the money shot, removing all accountability from widdle old women.” Suggesting that men are supposed to love us? I know, right? How presumptuous of me, what feminine imperative run amok. Everyone knows men are just entitled to everything, including womens very lives, or rather the lives of “disease ridden rodents.” “Time for you to put your money where your mouth is.” Actually Deti, its way past time for Dalrock to find his own courage and actually talk to me. I wrote him another post today. He doesn’t care. He’s far more interested in nursing indignation and chronic victimhood… Read more »

thedeti
6 years ago

“IB is just trying to dodge.”

I know. The challenge stands.

IB, you claim the churches in your world are populated with “men” and that true masculinity is taught there, and all the masculine men you know are Christian men.

Let’s have the names of these churches. Let’s have them. I want a list of all of them.

thedeti
6 years ago

“Actually Deti, its way past time for Dalrock to find his own courage and actually talk to me. I wrote him another post today. He doesn’t care. He’s far more interested in nursing indignation and chronic victimhood than actually solving problems.”

Bull. Shit. Dalrock and the Duluth stuff has nothing to do with your claims.

Third time: List the names. List them right here, right now. I want to test this claim.

List them.

kfg
kfg
6 years ago

“Suggesting that men are supposed to love us? I know, right? How presumptuous of me, what feminine imperative run amok.”

Right. Keep talking, you’re doing fine. The prosecutor can just go home now. He couldn’t do it any better.

rugby11
rugby11
6 years ago

“you keep complaining about how culture doesn’t teach men about masculinity, yet one of the most endemic teachers of Beta supplication is the church you think has all the solutions to it. You keep stressing that you hope myself or Dal or whoever will be the flag wavers for your beliefs for men, but that precludes the fact that your church has been feminizing men for generations now. I would never suggest a man look for ‘masculinity’ in your churches. In fact, I have more men seeking my counsel and my writings BECAUSE they were at a point of suicide… Read more »

othergrain
othergrain
6 years ago

“Supposed” to love you? Why should a man love you? Because you’re a woman?

I meant you removed all accountability for the woman to KEEP HER MAN IN LOVE, critical thought strikes again. Jesus Christ, for all your time bloviating in the manosphere you haven’t grasped simple concepts of male attraction…We can lose it.

“…womens very lives, or rather the lives of “disease ridden rodents.””

For a metaphor you created, you sure are bad at separating the two.

SJB
SJB
6 years ago

The farmer treats the rodent much like men treat the ones they are supposed to love.

Excellent example of contemporary evangelization methodology. Wins the internet today.

thedeti
6 years ago

I’m gonna get all moral and judgmental here for a minute. I noted that among MARRIED couples, the rate of DV and murder is very low, around 2 to 3%. So most of the women getting killed by “intimate partners” — here’s the plain English translation. It’s stupid women tingling for thug/criminal/badboy cock, and shacking up with/catering to/groveling to the men attached to those cocks. It’s stupid women who would rather get the shit kicked out of them by a hawt thug than find a decent guy. THat’s what the fuck this is. If these women would fucking smarten up… Read more »

insanitybytes22
6 years ago

“Supposed” to love you? Why should a man love you? Because you’re a woman?” Because women are actually human. Because when you enter into a relationship with one, you are expected to perceive her as a human. If you cannot perceive her as a human entitled to love, then you have no business entering into a relationship with her. “I meant you removed all accountability for the woman to KEEP HER MAN IN LOVE, critical thought strikes again.” You cannot “keep a man in love” if he believes you are nothing more than a disease ridden rodent. Women have actually… Read more »

thedeti
6 years ago

Shut up, IB. Not another word from you until you list the names of the churches you’re talking about.

Names. NOW.

SJB
SJB
6 years ago

Because women are actually human. Because when you enter into a relationship with one, you are expected to perceive her as a human. If you cannot perceive her as a human entitled to love, then you have no business entering into a relationship with her.

Ah. Still don’t get the divine joke.

othergrain
othergrain
6 years ago

Please continue acting like I consider women rodents lol

You used the violence of a terrier rooting out rats as a metaphor for domestic violence. I showed you how you were wrong. I used disparaging adjectives about the rodents which incited you to an emotional response.

GG dodging my actual points and repeating a misunderstanding I’ve clarified three times now.

Know what else is good at dodging, hiding and scurrying around like a pest? 😉

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
6 years ago

All the same, it was fun weekend. Cool dogs. Grrr.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jagdterrier

rugby11
rugby11
6 years ago

“One way or another, men will become aware of their role, how that man goes about dealing with it is another story. Most (being Blue Pill) abdicate and accept their powerlessness in their relationships. It’s the other men who choose not to just cope, but to reconstruct themselves that the Red Pill will have answers for.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=py0mVt2Z7nc
http://besselvanderkolk.net/index.html
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC__jspzzrA2j2Zr9TbSMWFA

insanitybytes22
6 years ago

“I showed you how you were wrong. I used disparaging adjectives about the rodents which incited you to an emotional response.”

Oh, I’m sorry. I didn’t realize we were talking about the fluffy bunny kind of pet rodents and not the barn vermin you were just celebrating watching terriers rip to shreds. Must be my overly emotional female brain getting all confuzzled.

“Know what else is good at dodging, hiding and scurrying around like a pest? ”

Let me guess. A disease ridden rodent?

rugby11
rugby11
6 years ago
othergrain
othergrain
6 years ago

“Let me guess. A disease ridden rodent?”

No, my pet terrier, Charlie. 😂

Novaseeker
Novaseeker
6 years ago

All the churches here are primarily made up of men. Well, but you live in the rural PNW. I mean you must be aware of the stats that show how churches are overwhelmingly female, in terms of participation. Maybe not in rural PNW, but overall yes. We have 50/50 in the EO church, but we’re recalcitrant traditionalists, and so we attract more men. Overall, the male participation in Christianity in the US, at least outside of the pocket of rural PNW where you are, is much lower than that of women. And frankly the churches in general, again outside of… Read more »

Novaseeker
Novaseeker
6 years ago

a human entitled to love

Caritas, yes, eros, no.

insanitybytes22
6 years ago

“I mean you must be aware of the stats that show how churches are overwhelmingly female, in terms of participation.” Churches since the Apostle Paul’s day have always been heavily populated by women. There are more women than men in the general population, so it stands to reason that there will be many women in the church. “And frankly the churches in general…… to the extent that they have men, the men are feminine.” That is complete rubbish. To call the men feminine is just wrong headed and foolish. The culture and men in general have become more feminine, and… Read more »

mersonia
6 years ago

@Rollo “RSD claiming the idea of ‘tribes’ only reflects their new profit model.” They’ve been using tribes since Ya linked one of their videos about a year and half ago. “This is exactly what Roosh did when he dabbled with the idea of Neomasculinity. Discredit, disqualify and dismiss TRP, then adopt the same principles, call them something novel and proprietary to your brand and resell the appropriated ideas as their own.” nah. Roosh was an red pill blogger….. RSD has never been red pill. lol “RSD is doing EXACTLY what I said they would for EXACTLY the reasons I said… Read more »

Novaseeker
Novaseeker
6 years ago

That is complete rubbish. To call the men feminine is just wrong headed and foolish. The culture and men in general have become more feminine, and the culture is reflected in the church, but to try to claim that faith is feminizing men is just a lie and kind of a disgusting one too, because it’s sole purpose is to drive men away from faith.

Read Podles and address his points. Summary dismissals are meaningless.

To be honest, his points reflect my own experiences in the Western Church prior to 2000, when I was received by the EO church.

Agent P
Agent P
6 years ago

Stay on target, head for the thermal exhaust port, back to the OP, man must achieve escape velocity to fully enable their plan….

insanitybytes22
6 years ago

“Read Podles and address his points. Summary dismissals are meaningless.”

Fair enough, Novaseeker. I’ll read it.

Blaximus
Blaximus
6 years ago

Lol. Fuck you mersonia.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
6 years ago

EhIntellect

Authentic synonyms: genuine, real, bona fide, true, veritable.

That man is a genuine, real, bona fide, true, veritable and verifiable leader of men, combat veteran; passionate about his military service; authentic in his love of country and his Lady Fair.

None describe BP. BP is willful denial. True only in that man’s mind.

He’s living in the old set of books, that’s all. A man can be dynamic, passionate and authentic in his committment to the old set of books, you know.

Keith
Keith
6 years ago

ROLLO this series didn’t help me much. But hopefully it will help some married guys. I’m divorced and had learn the hard way. Life is the best lesson. I can’t speak of what I don’t know but if you are gonna write a book on churchity religion stuff being a tool of feminization. Let me give you a few examples. 1 my church was doing a fund raiser for a Chinese mission trip. I donated a short-barrel AR – 15 to the church ATF legal as a pistol. Brand new never fired 2 30 rd mags. Even told them I… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
6 years ago

I’m not missing anything, but you are. Perhaps the emotional investment you have in coming up with a three-letter term won’t let you see that it isn’t sufficient by itself? Sentient Sufficient to what end… Sufficient to a man’s ends, of course. His mission. HIs Way. to attraction, as you agree it is… Hey, weren’t you all about internal game a while back? Or am I confused? the rest is you preening around something else. Nope. It’s your “me always right” mindset getting in the way of learning, again. “Authentic” carpentry? LOL Yes, of course. What’s funny about years spent… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
6 years ago

IB
Well, I think I’ve already said, I just don’t see it. That doesn’t exist anywhere in my world. All the churches here are primarily made up of men.

The last time you horked this up I asked for details and you ran away. So where is this church? What is the denomination? Details matter, unless you’re just lying again, of course.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
6 years ago

Rollo
Dalrock has over 5 years of posts and comments about exactly the FI insaturation she claims doesn’t exist in her world

I’m pretty sure Bites is banned at Dalrocks. If so, there’s a reason…

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
6 years ago

Bites
Fair enough, Novaseeker. I’ll read it.

Lying again…

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
6 years ago

Sentient For every so called DPA guy being “observed” from afar… well you are smart enough I hope to know that you can’t really tell how a guy acts when he is with a girl now right? Stop sperging. I know what I’ve seen, and if reality doesn’t conform to your tidy theory that’s not a problem for reality. You’re arguing like a feminist. And the difference between a girl being attracted and a guy getting what he wants? And if a guy can’t get what he wants how is he being DPA again? The man got what he wanted:… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
6 years ago

Novaseeker to Bites Well, but you live in the rural PNW. I mean you must be aware of the stats that show how churches are overwhelmingly female, in terms of participation. Maybe not in rural PNW, but overall yes. Eh, thanks for the info. Good thing we didn’t have to rely on Bites for facts. Frankly I’m still quite skeptical of the claim she keeps horking up, because it fails to fit with other reports from all parts of the US. Of course what Bites is doing is just another “Not All [something] Are LIke That”. The exception proves the… Read more »

Lost Patrol
Lost Patrol
6 years ago

to try to claim that faith is feminizing men is just a lie

I cannot see where this was stated or implied. The implication is that church culture is feminizing men. Faith and church are not the same thing. Haven’t been for hundreds of years.

If-I-Fell
If-I-Fell
6 years ago

@ Blaximus

“Right now, sitting on my couch drinking coffee, I know 2-3 women I could definetly, without question, bang tonight with very little muss or fuss.”

So, Blax

1. Why are you being so cagey about the number of horny women sitting on your couch drinking coffee? I mean it has to be either 2 or 3. Come on man, share!
2. I know you don’t plan to but, hypothetically, would you do all of them, make some watch; make some of them clean up?

theasdgamer
6 years ago

And if a guy can’t get what he wants how is he being DPA again?

A man can be both DPA and have no mating skills. He can be DPA on carpentry, war, or dancing and still not get laid like he wants. If he’s DPA about women, he will have Game. DPA on a specific skillset is not automatic for getting laid. You still need Game.

Gamer’s DPA Game Rules Joke

1. Be DPA.

2. Have Game.

3. Do not have anti-Game.

theasdgamer
6 years ago

@Anon Reader

Nothing personal, Sentient, it’s just that your DPA isn’t sufficient without Red Pill / Glasses.

A man can be Blue Pill and still get laid. All you need is Game for that.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
6 years ago

Here’s the kind of news story that feminists will enjoy.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2808739/dad-stuff-entrails-stomach-wife-disembowled-sex-session/

Although the stabbed man survived, so by feminist standards “sad ending”.

Aleph
Aleph
6 years ago

I’m telling you why you need another strategy beauty. Cause you can do all the Alpha game that you wan’t but you never are going to be an alpha, simply cause an Alpha is not in this kind of forum hiding from the fear of rejection with razionalizations. A PUA: is going to spend time seductign me, I’m going to find he is bizarre and unauthentic, but may be I like some moves, and then in bed he is going to try so bad…and is going to be soooo boring and after 10 min, the show is over, and dont… Read more »

Lost Patrol
Lost Patrol
6 years ago

I’m telling you why you need another strategy beauty.

She’s sweet on somebody here. Basically admitted it.

Aleph
Aleph
6 years ago

@LostPatrol

that’s cause that’s what every Beta really needs.

Aleph
Aleph
6 years ago

Best form to recognize an
ALPHA: orgasm giver.

TuffLuv
TuffLuv
6 years ago

@IB ” Everyone knows men are just entitled to everything, including womens very lives” Men graciously accept this massive responsibility because every woman involved with a man that she wants to love her wouldn’t have it any other way. The reason is that subconsciously every woman knows she does not have a reasonable plan for the future. She might have a solid plan for raising kids, doing the things she’s good at, a particular career even, but all the outlying responsibilities in this world are overwhelming and very uninteresting to her. Today’s rat race does a good job of luring… Read more »

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
6 years ago

“Everyone knows men are just entitled to everything, including womens very lives”

Rugby posted some horrifying stats upthread. Perhaps this will help shine some light and less heat:

https://therationalmale.com/2012/10/22/casualties/

Read on about lives lost:

https://therationalmale.com/2013/01/21/soldiers/

You’ve not suffered enough on this earth to check yourself. It’s not an IQ thing. You mentally, physically can’t, for you and all women, it’s impossible:

https://therationalmale.com/2011/11/14/appreciation/

Chump No More
Chump No More
6 years ago

@Aleph
“Best form to recognize an ALPHA: orgasm giver.”

An ALPHA doesn’t give a shit about your orgasm, cupcake.

insanitybytes22
6 years ago

“Men accept this extreme burden gladly, in exchange for a woman’s intimacy and loyalty, and yes subservience to some degree.. their lives.. A man cannot truly protect his woman unless he has final authority over her.,….Every (well, the 80% norm) woman wants to hand her very life to a man. In her heart that’s what she wants.”

Very sweet, TuffLuv, all true.

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
6 years ago

Local tragedy recently touched me personally. Of course there’s more to this rabbit hole… Wikipeida: “There was a seasonal effect on suicide occurrence among the study population in Finland, and the risk of suicide was highest in May and lowest in February over the study period”…males with an incidence of 42.56 (N=21,622) and females with an incidence of 10.86 (N=5847) Suicide peak not in winter months, but late spring/early summer. O.K. Wikipedia further: The authors hypothesized that the high summer peaks in suicide deaths are the result of an ultimately disappointed hope amongst the emotionally discomforted that winter might bring… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
6 years ago

Anonymous Reader I know what I’ve seen and DPA isn’t sufficient without Red Pill / Glasses. This is part of the disconnect I think you are having with these concepts (which oddly you agree with? You agree Alpha is attractive and seem to agree the irreducible traits define what is Alpha, at least you’ve offered no other definition of what is Alpha), a lot of observing and second and third hand comments. Little to no 1st person experience “I had this woman once” or “This relationship I had” etc… so theory… So this “observation” here, you miss that there is… Read more »

mersonia
6 years ago

@Blaxxy

“Lol. Fuck you mersonia.”

I’m down lol

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
6 years ago

@ AR Honest question here: In your opinion, does your WK friend cede leadership in his marriage? I know I did, talked in old-books, would trouble myself privately about it, remained prima facie leader of my household, much like the church runs its business. Heavy lifting for the FI, benefiting the distaff. Something was amiss, hated not knowing what to do and was squandering precious time. It was polluting my authenticity, my marriage. She wasn’t liking it but would, could not overtly tell me. We all read the results when I tried to stop the stupidity and go RP. All… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
6 years ago

Ehintellect

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TazHNpt6OTo

It was polluting my authenticity, my marriage. She wasn’t liking it but would, could not overtly tell me.

A favorite song. It’s important to remind ourselves that most women cognitively are fervently Blue Pill (while acting red pill on a hormonal level) and want to believe in it as much as men or even more so.

rugby11
rugby11
6 years ago

“the fear of rejection with razionalizations.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjWr1nOeX5k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yo5VF6oWb0

Sentient
Sentient
6 years ago

Eh… Rupert bringing it again… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=598D-035aAE “Partners In Crime” She’s under-age and she’s underweight And she’s one month hooked and she’s two months late She comes from Wyoming And he named her Desiree She hit New York like a farm-fresh egg Hits a frying pan, she’s too proud to beg So she works on the sidewalk He administrates her pay She calls him Swagger ’cause of his hat He adopted her in three seconds flat By the bus station doorway Where he found her half-alive He is her family and in return He beats up on her and takes all… Read more »

SJF
SJF
6 years ago

@Sentient And interesting essay by Black Label Logic, in regards to Game (esp. RSD style), Action vs. Inaction and your discussion of The Alpha Triad: https://blacklabellogic.com/2016/09/20/first-principles/ The distinction between means and ends, lay in intent rather than method. One man’s means may be another man’s end. The requirement to remain cognizant of which are the means to an end, and what is the end in itself, lays in the distractions along the path to progression. Many a man has convinced himself that his means was indeed his end in an effort to avoid perceived or actual risk. A man may… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
6 years ago

Good read SJF. thanks

Alex
6 years ago

Thank God I’m a young red-piller!

I think the only way to realistically maintain this power in the long run (especially with the good-looking women) is:

1) Obviously don’t get legally married
2) Don’t agree to monogamy

Aleph
Aleph
6 years ago

@rugby11
That’s the most patectic set of videos I have ever seen.

@chumpnomore
how you know if you are in the 10 min boring group?
Want to be an ALPHA? give them orgasms, that’s all.
forget about the mindset crappy shit, you look akward, and needy, and if you get girl doing this you know she is an ashole cause she buy your crap.

anon
anon
6 years ago

I wonder if there’s a new breed of English-as-a-second-language social bots out there.

Aleph
Aleph
6 years ago

@anon
At your beta local library you can find one.

anon
anon
6 years ago

Aleph’s alpha is battery operated.

rugby11
rugby11
6 years ago

Aleph

dr zipper
dr zipper
6 years ago

@aleph – any tips on how to get in the situation to give her an orgasm… or maybe I just walk up and splash one across her face?

insanitybytes22
6 years ago

“So, I guess your husband’s headship is a stress on your relationship that would be made so much better if he’d only defer to your Frame and cease to lead you for fear of being thought of as ‘entitled’ to your very life then?”

No. No, it’s a gift, a blessing, a huge weight not on my shoulders. Now him, he’s totally entitled to anything he wants.

bluebird
bluebird
6 years ago

Marty,
I’m about 8 years lurking in the Manosphere, although I have been AWOL for nearly a year because of ill health. I have to say, yours is the best comment I have ever seen. Pretty much sums up the Manosohere in two sentences. LOL.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
6 years ago

EhIntellect Honest question here: In your opinion, does your WK friend cede leadership in his marriage? Looks that way, but frankly I cannot tell for sure. There is a lot of catering to her whims. But he was deployed a lot for a while, so perhaps he formed the habit of “make up luvin” when he was home. I know I did, talked in old-books, would trouble myself privately about it, remained prima facie leader of my household, much like the church runs its business. Heavy lifting for the FI, benefiting the distaff. Something was amiss, hated not knowing what… Read more »

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
6 years ago

I hear what your saying. With my synonym example, what a WK might think to be true, actually isn’t, but a lifetime of buffering easily decieves. Some more: based on facts; accurate or reliable. Is he being accurate to himself? That’s the question I asked myself. Is what I am seeing true? For example, I used to sleep through shit tests as a tactic. I thought it effective enough, and inadvertantly kept the roller coaster running, violently sometimes. What I’ve learned though, when I allow her to be all feminine, not control her innate emotional state, she’ll create her own… Read more »

thedeti
6 years ago

Checking in to see if InsanityBites has listed all these churches filled with all these manly men.

I see she hasn’t.

Figures.

Because there AREN’T ANY.

kfg
kfg
6 years ago

They don’t even make Thor worshippers the way they used to:

http://assets.inhabitat.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/2015/02/Norse-pagan-church-Reykjavik.jpg

Aleph
Aleph
6 years ago

@rollo tomasi just cause somebody says its a fallacy, doesn’t mean it is. I’m telling my experience. When man are rejected, they get obssesed. This applies specielly for alphas. alpha: orgasm giver there are all kind of woman, the one that is not aware of her sexuallity will fake orgasms, specially from alphas cause they are Alphas! My point is that an Alpha is going to give you pleasure cause that is in his nature. If you are multi, then multi is going to be! Betas, are going to have their mind anywhere from your gaming manual, to blogs and… Read more »

insanitybytes22
6 years ago

“Checking in to see if InsanityBites has listed all these churches filled with all these manly men. I see she hasn’t. Figures. Because there AREN’T ANY.” There ARE, Deti, and no, I’m not going to list them. But here’s the deal, if there weren’t any, not a single one, whose fault would that be? That would be the fault of so called “manly men” having fled in terror. If you’re a “manly man” fleeing in terror and demanding a Christian grandma fix your churchian manhood problems for you, well I don’t know what to say. That’s kind of the epitome… Read more »

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
6 years ago

““manly men” having fled in terror.”

More of a disinterested stroll.

“demanding a Christian grandma fix your churchian manhood”

Huh?

“hapless victims of the church”

Pedophilia cover ups aside, the more the church changed with the culture, the more men voted with their feet.

As I commented, there’s spiritual validity buried under mounds of feel-good, happy-clappy. Exactly that which sane men distance themselves. It doesn’t assist, encourage those who are reality based or not running away from dysfunction, addiction.

Codependancy is generally a chick thing, ask me how I know.

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