I’m a psychotherapist working with couples, especially men who get left by their wives. I’ve studied your material for over a year now and the hypergamy stuff is dead on. I just wanted to share and maybe talk with you about the red pill rage that results — women love opportunistically yes, but many men who comment on your material are missing a component I believe. And it’s not one I’ve heard you allude to much either.. When a man isn’t pursuing his dreams and highest self, the woman oftentimes interprets that as a lack of love for her, as though continuing to stay competitive and strong in the world shows her that he is invested in the relationship. When men get lazy women actually feel discarded. The pain and the love is real – it isn’t so simple as jaded men think.. that women are blood thirsty gold digging monsters. The female design feels unloved and devalued when her man is not on fire for his own life..
I had this sent to me recently. It’s actually a pretty standard trope for Trad-Con women who want to justify their leaving a husband or having left an old lover/baby-daddy. They like to pretend they’re ‘red pill’ and so the only men who might qualify for their expired sexual market value will be Red Pill men who meet their new qualifications. One thing I’m seeing more and more of in this sub-section of the manosphere (really femosphere) is aged-out divorcé women who want to rebrand the ‘red pill’ to justify their unmarried, unpaired, state in the new sexual marketplace. As you might imagine, their solipsism gets combined with what they convert into a convenient rationale about what Red Pill men ought to be like. The lack of ‘real men’, real ‘red pill’ men is ostensibly why they’re still single – no man is actually ‘red pill’ enough to satisfy their hamstering and thus, it’s not they who have the problem, but rather the men who lack the balls to live up to those expectations.
If this sounds familiar – like maybe a feminist spouted off a version of it – you’re right. I wrote about this rationalization back in The Bitter Taste of the Red Pill:
Game-aware women – the ones who have been forcibly exhausted of all pretense of maintaing the illusion that Game is a lie – feel as though it’s owed to them, in their concession of Game’s reality, that Men should use Game to women’s benefit. Even to the last effort women still cling to the tools of a feminized acculturation;
“Yeah, OK, you got us, Game is really what women want, Hypergamy is the law of womankind, but now it’s your responsibility that you use it for the better benefit of society by molding a new breed of improved Betas to accommodate fem-centric monogamy. You owe us our security for having admitted to the grand illusion that’s kept you in thrall for so long.”
It’s an indictment of Game-aware women, and sympathizing men, that they should feel a need to delineate some aspects of Game into good camps (pro woman, pro feminized monogamy) and bad camps (manipulative, polygynous, male-centered). Even in the admission of the truth that Game has enlightened Men of, the feminine imperative still seeks to categorize the application of Game to its own end. That Men might have some means of access to their own sexual strategy is too terrible a Threat; Game must be colored good or bad as it concerns the imperatives of women and a fem-centric societal norm.
As the default, socially correct and virtuous concern, women have an easier time of this. As Game becomes increasingly more difficult to deny or misdirect for the feminine, the natural next step in accepting it becomes qualifying its acceptable uses. While hypergamy is an ugly truth, the characterization of it becomes “just how women are” – an unfortunate legacy of their evolution. However for Men, the characterizations of the harsher aspects of Game in its rawest form (contingencies for hypergamy) are dubbed “the dark arts”.
Red Pill Women – A Convenient Rationale
I wrote this back in 2012. Some of my earliest posts were about predicting exactly this phenomenon in the future. The more Red Pill aware a woman is – or I should say, the more she consciously acknowledges it – the greater the need will be to find fault in men for not living up to what they redefine as ‘red pill’ canon. The more widespread Red Pill awareness of intersexual dynamics becomes, and the more accepted it is, the more it will serve as an alibi for women trying to rebuild a life they destroyed themselves. It becomes a Red Pill man’s ‘duty’ to forgive their indiscretions and help them recover too.
Over the years Dalrock has gone into how women detonate their marriages as a result of divorce porn fantasies. I’m not sure he really dissects the aftermath of their divorces. And this is only one way in which women may find themselves single around middle age. In Preventive Medicine I detail how women go through at least to periods of crisis level Hypergamous doubt during a marriage. Women’s prerequisites for attraction (not arousal) shifts radically once she reaches the Epiphany Phase (29-31). She becomes far more compromising in terms of physicality in exchange for aspects of a man she finds desirable for long-term prospects of security. Whereas she may have only dated banged guys 1-2 inches taller than herself in her Party Years, now she’s willing to entertain the idea of banging dating a guy slightly shorter than herself so long as he has a capacity for success and provisioning for her.
This is an interesting phase to pick apart because it’s likely the first time in a woman’s life that she’s considering a relationship with a guy based on transactional sex as opposed to the prime directive of validational sex she’s been pursuing for most of her Party Years (18-26). For the first time her long-term attraction is based on different aspects of a man’s Burden of Performance.
During the Epiphany Phase a woman plays a complex game of internalized mental gymnastics. Her hindbrain understands that her sexual market value has been decaying for at least a couple of years prior to this conscious recognition of it. The enjoyment of the Party Years has to be weighed against the fact that she’s progressively losing the attention of the men she would like to have ‘enthusiastic’ validational sex with, and the necessity of a long-term security with a long-term partner. Thus, the rationalization engine kicks into overdrive. She must convince herself that the less exciting (arousing) but better provisioning guy who’s happy to have her at 30 represents the type of guy she ‘should‘ have been with all along.
This is a self-bullshitting contrivance of course, but in her mind the guy who she’s marrying or pairing long term with must be an example of a ‘good prospect’. This is when she does the self-conditioning of turning her necessity into a virtue. She was “so crazy in college, but now she’s matured and not like that anymore.” Or she’s “Getting right with God” or she’s “Learned her lesson in dating banging those Bad Boys” who’ve characterized her intimate life up until this point.
Those are the easy self-contrivances; what’s more difficult is convincing her hindbrain (that desperately wants the exciting validational sex with the Bad Boy) that the unexciting ‘Good Guy’ is really what’s best for her. This is where women like to rearrange what’s really important to them in a man.
This is the internal conflict that takes place in the Epiphany Phase, but what happens to the woman who never gets to consolidate on the ‘Good Guy’? For a variety of reasons (mostly overvalued evaluation of their SMV) more and more women find themselves ‘never marrieds’ and/or they follow the timeline in Preventive Medicine and find themselves divorced of their own doing. In either case, women still work through a similar series of self-rationalizations with respect to what they’re looking for, and what they feel they are entitled to, in a man around 38 to 45, sometimes as late as 50.
And this is where the Red Pill feeds that female entitlement schema. The logic goes like this:
If I’m a Red Pill woman and I agree with all of these Red Pill men who, despite all my misgivings, align with my (self-defined and sanitized) definition of what it means to be “red pill”, then these men owe it to me to unplug from their Blue Pill delusions and see me for the jewel in the rough that I really am.
I think the time a woman is most likely to discover she’s a “Red Pill Woman” is conveniently at the point in her life when she’s at her most necessitous. You will almost never find a girl of 22 who’d want to identify as a Trad-Con “Red Pill” woman – the incentives to do so simply don’t exist at this age. The fact that it is predominantly Traditional Conservative women who are either just pre-Wall or post-Wall, single-mothers, never married spinsters, divorcés or married-to-lesser-Betas who wish to redefine ‘Red Pill’ to use as a litmus test for the type of men they believe they’re entitled to is no coincidence.
Message to the ladies: Men don’t owe you shit. If you happen upon a man who shares your entitlement belief-set, a man willing to forgive your past indiscretions and marry you despite a ruthless marriage/divorce industrial complex arrayed against him, then thank whatever God you pray to and fuck that guy’s brains out to keep him happy, but don’t pretend it’s because either you or he is “Red Pill”. The fact that he would entertain the idea of a relationship with you disqualifies him from being “Red Pill”.
If you find yourself single, never-married at 38 and it “just never worked out for you” it’s time you look past your solipsism and find some real introspect. The problem begins and ends with you.
Love and Opportunism
Now, all that said, the ‘psychotherapist‘ who sent me this does have some legitimate points.
When a man isn’t pursuing his dreams and highest self, the woman oftentimes interprets that as a lack of love for her, as though continuing to stay competitive and strong in the world shows her that he is invested in the relationship.
First of all this is flat out false; I’ve written several posts that illustrate exactly this perspective. From Setting the Rules:
Once a woman understands the gravity and legitimacy of your purpose / passion, only then can she come to appreciate the significance of you foregoing or postponing the dictates of that purpose for her. She will never feel more important to you than when you (occasionally) lift her above that legitimate, verified purpose.
Women will never appreciate a relationship that is a Man’s greatest ambition.
That’s an old (obscure?) post I wrote some time ago, but the basic principle is that a man must be fearless in his pursuit of his passions both before and after he’s entered into some kind of committed exclusivity. In Acing the Test I point out that women tend to shit test for different things while single and when in an LTR. In a long term relationship these test are characterized by the need to quell the Hypergamous doubt that she paired with a guy who is, or has the potential for competency. In other words her Hypergamous hindbrain wants to know it made its best ‘bet’ on you.
And while that’s all fine and well, her hindbrain’s insecurity wars with the need for you to retain your ambition and your being emotionally available for her. When these two aspects come into conflict it is up to a man to retain the world, the Frame, he’s established in which she feels comfortable and yet uncomfortable enough to know he’s competent to be powerful in directing his own course in life.
When men get lazy women actually feel discarded. The pain and the love is real – it isn’t so simple as jaded men think.. that women are blood thirsty gold digging monsters. The female design feels unloved and devalued when her man is not on fire for his own life..
Again, this is a perfect illustration of the differences in the concepts men and women each independently hold when it comes to love. Men love Idealistically, women love Opportunistically and this quote spells this out in no uncertain terms – in fact it’s so ironic I’m not sure the woman relating this to me even realizes what she’s doing. Women intimately associate a man’s ambitiousness, his drive for mastery and power, his want for dominance, with her Opportunistic concept of love. She’s correct here, when men get lazy women feel discarded. However, this is because a man contenting himself with how things are and dropping all ambition confirms what her Hypergamous nature fears most – he’s really incompetent.
This is especially salient when a man trades his ambitions (assuming he had them) for a relationship with her. This reverses the Burden of Performance to her and as a result she feels unloved because her concept of love is founded on his capacity for competence. She feels unloved because opportunism defines her concept of love; and he only confirms his worthlessness by abdicating his Burden of Performance.
From Love Story:
Men are expected to perform. To be successful, to get the girl, to live a good life, men must do. Whether it’s riding wheelies down the street on your bicycle to get that cute girl’s attention or to get a doctorate degree to ensure your personal success and your future family’s, Men must perform. Women’s arousal, attraction, desire and love are rooted in that conditional performance. The degree to which that performance meets or exceeds expectations is certainly subjective, and the ease with which you can perform is also an issue, but perform you must.
A lot of this relates to the standard Mental Point of Origin conversation.
Blue Pill men are conditioned to think two things:
III. You shall make your mission, not your woman, your priority
Forget all those romantic cliches of the leading man proclaiming his undying love for the woman who completes him. Despite whatever protestations to the contrary, women do not want to be “The One” or the center of a man’s existence. They in fact want to subordinate themselves to a worthy man’s life purpose, to help him achieve that purpose with their feminine support, and to follow the path he lays out. You must respect a woman’s integrity and not lie to her that she is “your everything”. She is not your everything, and if she is, she will soon not be anymore.
Jessica Valenti – who is a well known feminist writer often dissected here, writes in the New York Times today – thoughts? As far as I can tell, she doesn’t like the messages disaffected young men are getting online because it’s getting too close to ideas she doesn’t want them to have (like Jordan Peterson – I haven’t followed the JP discussion around here, but I think it is pretty clear he can at least be a gateway to the full “Red Pill”) and she wants to make sure young men get the right FI approved messages, so she wants… Read more »
TLDR Your mission comes first, females don’t like being the focus of your life as it makes them uncomfortable in that your focus and energies are being misdirected and deep down she knows that won’t end well (although she will fight tooth and nail to try and become the focus of your life) it’s your job to know that it’s not really what she wants/needs and smash this shit test out of the park. Men work the world and women work Men, it’s the natural order of things and both sexes ignore this natural law at their cost. Comment section… Read more »
@elby100: “My daughter is a self proclaimed feminist who hates men. I do not understand her thinking, in fact I find it quite insulting to me personally because if I have one thing I can point to in my life I am very proud of, it is that I gave my kids an outstanding dad. I met him at age 18, we married when I was 22.” Is was the failure of you and your husband to be good Role Models for your daughter. You raised her with “egalitarian principles”, telling her she is not less than a Man. Read… Read more »
BTW, on that NYT article I posted, there are surprisingly a fair few comments calling out some of the article’s BS. Not in Red Pill terms but hitting some good points. The NYT would never publish those opinions in an actual article, but these ideas continue to spread underground…
“Read EhIntellect’s comment further up where he says “This is what happens when parents become attached to their kids success beyond reproduction. If you care a lot about a child’s non reproductive success, and accordingly invest emotional and other equity into their careers….guess what? They’ll value that too and into the matrix they go.”
If the only thing about your children that interests you is the fact they are alive and reproduce, you’re not really doing your job as a parent.
But, then, if people only spoke of what they know, it wouldn’t be the internet.
“If the only thing about your children that interests you is the fact they are alive and reproduce, you’re not really doing your job as a parent.” Nature expects only two things from every living organism – to “survive” and to “reproduce”. And Nature is AMMORAL. It only cares about survival of the fittest. Everything else you do from your cradle to your grave – yoga or hiking, ginger flavoured soy-latte or chocolate flavoured soy-latte, meditation or marijuana – is nothing but “mental masturbation”. “But, then, if people only spoke of what they know, it wouldn’t be the internet.” Oh,… Read more »
My daughter is a self proclaimed feminist who hates men. …probably because she swallowed a lot of feminist propaganda in school and on the web…which you and your husband didn’t realize she was doing…you didn’t inspect, you expected her to follow your model… Relationships evolve over time but don’t necessarily go downhill. A man needs to be good at reading a woman’s emotions and he must also know how to handle them in order for a relationship to “work”. Sexual intercourse may taper off after menopause because some women dry up and intercourse becomes impossible. Sex is still achievable. It’s… Read more »
“Nature expects only two things from every living organism – to “survive” and to “reproduce”. And Nature is AMMORAL.”
“It only cares about survival of the fittest. Everything else you do from your cradle to your grave – yoga or hiking, ginger flavoured soy-latte or chocolate flavoured soy-latte, meditation or marijuana – is nothing but “mental masturbation”.
(snip)
….Oh, the irony.”
Meta irony even.
Men did not start this war. It was the feminists. Yeah, because women are so competent at doing shit like getting women the vote. Obviously, men didn’t do most of the heavy lifting to get feminism accepted. And most men today aren’t feminists. Socialist men have pushed feminism for centuries. Lots of men have WK-ed for women by pushing feminism, after they have accepted arguments for feminism which were mostly written by socialist men. Are most young men feminists? If so, then men are the problem. And the potential solution. Without socialist men, feminism wouldn’t have happened. Men have been… Read more »
“It only cares about survival of the fittest.
No, Nature just is. Nature doesn’t “care”. And you can maybe reduce everything to reproduction, if Nature is all there is. Survival only matters so that an organism can reproduce. Of course, if God exists, your plan fails.
My observation is that nature expects most living organisms to get eaten so that a relatively few are provided with the energy to survive and reproduce. Nature does not “expect” individual organisms to prosper. Life is a dynamic chemical process, it takes place over time. “You” are just the current state of that dynamic process. You don’t matter to life, except as you keep the process going. To nature it is the entire line that is life, not you. “Lo do I see the line of my people, back to the beginning.” That is what “a” life is in nature.… Read more »
“Issues don’t hurt women, men do.” Oh where is that animated eye-rolling emoticon when you need it?
Incels …. misogynists … white men … and of course JPB … she’s rounding up all the usual suspects.
Feminism has created a fantasy world for alienated women, so naturally we must do the same for alienated young men. Heck, make that all young men.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5992637/amp/Worcestershire-Tini-Owens-forced-stay-married-husband-Hugh-losing-Supreme-Court-case.html?ico=amp_mostReadNews
So there… Lol
“If the only thing about your children that interests you is the fact they are alive and reproduce, you’re not really doing your job as a parent.”
Thid is why men shouldn’t talk to women about kids. They’re clueless beyond the fucking and suckling.
And no, anon, I’m not going to explain. Go get a mani-pedi. Do something that makes you more feminine, not more femsplaining what dudes should think and do about their kids.
I have to say something like 70-80% (or more) of the “Reader’s Picks” comments in the NYT to that article are critical of it, which is pretty good going..
+1 EH
Anon is a female? Haha … whatever …
theasdgamer
July 25, 2018 at 6:18 am
“If you don’t father kids, evolution says that you’re irrelevant.”
And then …
theasdgamer again
July 26, 2018 at 6:11 am
“No, Nature just is. Nature doesn’t “care”. And you can maybe reduce everything to reproduction, if Nature is all there is. Survival only matters so that an organism can reproduce. Of course, if God exists, your plan fails.”
Well ….Whatever …
Sentient
So there… Lol
Opus the Brit gave a brief summary of this at Dalrock’s.
TLDR divorce law in the UK is not the same as US. However a 5 year separation will suffice to get her the divorce she wants.
It is a pretty amusing headline, though.
@Culum Jessica Valenti, LOL. She’s less stupid than other feministas but that isn’t saying much. “One of the many political ironies of our time is that feminism’s most powerful cultural moment has coincided with the rise of extreme misogyny. Jessica has no idea what actual misogyny looks like. While women protest, run for office and embrace the movement for gender equality in record numbers, “Gender equality” = “women get what they want while men shut up and provide it”. a generation of young, mostly white men are being radicalized into believing that their problems stem from women’s progress. Generation Z… Read more »
I do like the way aging feministas like Jessica Valenti are having the vapors over Jordan Peterson, though, because that just proves they have no clue what is coming next. It’s gonna be great entertainment when genuinely red pill young men start showing up in her little bubble-world, the screeching will be audible in Low Earth Orbit from satellites.
Incubus
Anon is a female?
Yep. She likes to pretend she’s anonymous, but anyone who has read here long enough knows who she is. Just bear in mind when reading that this “anon” is female, married, and has spawn with 2-digit ages.
“There is an understandable feminist skepticism of claims that the culture is failing boys. White male leaders in government, corporations and institutions vastly outnumber women. Men have more cultural and economic power than women. And more often than not, assertions that young men are under siege are more about reinforcing traditional gender power dynamics than helping to see how those norms harm boys. Feminism has long focused on issues of sexual assault, reproductive rights, harassment and more. But issues don’t hurt women, men do. Until we grapple with how to stop misogynists themselves — starting with ensuring boys don’t grow… Read more »
@Sentient: From the article: “But Mr Owens was accused of prioritising his work over home life, often missing holidays and family events.” That is why I say no matter how passionate you are about your mission or even if you have no mission, if you can generate gina tingles, she will stick around. When she is tired of your dick, your passion for your mission which attracted her to you will now be used as an accusation against you. Your masculine voice which once got her wet, now sounds booming to her and she cant stand it. Once you are… Read more »
Lol.
Ohhhhh cut it out already.
As an artist I will say this much,
There is a difference in being creative and knowing how to create.
You can paint by numbers, but it’s not the same as having the ability to confront the blank.canvas and creating something that shows creativity, vision and a level of expertise.
“What Feminism Can Do For Boys”?
Easy enough: nothing
@Anonymous Reader – I hadn’t thought about the possibility of NYT comment deletion for “tone management” – if they’re actually doing that, then the comments are probably running even more against the article…
Blaximus
You can paint by numbers, but it’s not the same as having the ability to confront the blank.canvas
“Confront the blank canvas”, nice.
@AR
\\\“One of the many political ironies of our time is that feminism’s most powerful cultural moment has coincided with the rise of extreme misogyny.” Jessica has no idea what actual misogyny looks like.\\\
She also has no idea what irony looks like. She’s having what is known as a Fox Butterfield moment. As in not seeing that strident feminism might actually help spur what she calls “extreme misogyny.”
“What Feminism Can Do for Boys?” To steal from Ronald Reagan, the last thing you want a boy to hear is, “I’m a feminist and I’m here to help.”
@Sentient
We may have a potential hit sitcom here with the Owens. I’m thinking Anthony Hopkins and Jennifer Saunders; and Michael Caine I’m sure would be available as her paramour
@Rollo: congrats on the mention in NYT – I’m sure some men will come to the blog or books out of curiosity and will have their lives saved. As a side note I really guffawed at: [Dr. Levine] suggested I talk to Margaret Atwood, the author of “The Handmaid’s Tale,” a novel in which declining fecundity leads to authoritarianism and where sperm health is a taboo topic. “We tend to think when there are changes, they will be small changes, but from time to time there are shifts,” he said. “Margaret Atwood could imagine if such a shift happened.” (Ms.… Read more »
@OBIT:
Robert De Niro (cuck master) will play the marriage counsellor and Alec Baldwin as the divorce lawyer representing “Mrs.Owens”.
@SJB
Is Rollo in the Valenti piece? I can’t access the full story.
Incubus, it’s normal to give scientific theories a voice, e.g., “Evolution says…” However, Nature isn’t a scientific theory. It’s a word that references the world around us.
O.B.I.T.: this one: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/25/style/sperm-count.html
@SJB
The article is a thumbsucker but you’re correct, it is interesting to see Roosh and Rollo quoted in the NYT at all. The mention of Atwood is just funny. Too bad she didn’t comment, that would have surely amusing.
Thanks! Rollo sounds reasonable as usual. They gratuitously help RoK sound like an idiot. (I’ve done plenty of stories on sensitive female issues without anyone objecting).
I’m past my monthly quota on NYT but you can see the story (and many others I suppose) by googling the headline and looking for it on archive.is
“I’m past my monthly quota on NYT but you can see the story (and many others I suppose) by googling the headline and looking for it on archive.is”
O.B.I.T.
I just erase my cookies on that site if past quota (by clicking on the rectangle in Chrome that says secure, view site information, left of the address field) and then refresh then re-load the page in the browser and it’s good to read, then.
“the rationalization engine kicks into overdrive. She must convince herself that the less exciting (arousing) but better provisioning guy who’s happy to have her at 30 represents the type of guy she ‘should‘ have been with all along.” When Nicole Scherzinger (marketed as one of the great beauties of our age) suggested marriage and children with her then boyfriend Lewis Hamilton. Hamilton took stock of the situation and promptly showed her the door. He’s shorter than her (when she’s wearing heels), far richer and has more status. Given she was nearing her mid thirties at the time and looking for… Read more »
Hamilton is a Formula One Driver.
‘Nuff said.
Blax, not sure the average keyboard jockey would understand the full implication of what it takes to be a F1 driver…
marelius
Lol. That’s why Satan invented Google.
Nicole Scherzinger .
I used to think she was kinda sexy 13 years ago.
http://cdn01.cdn.justjared.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/scherzinger-globes/nicole-scherzinger-ashley-tisdale-victoria-justice-amazon-golden-globes-13.jpg
She’s not bad, but she’s not what she was…if she ever really was. Hamilton was probably thinking the same thing I’d be thinking at his age – ” Hey, I’m gonna bang a pussycat doll “.
It makes me sad that I can’t post actual pics anymore.
even if it’s just an older 7-7.5.
@EhIntellect “If the only thing about your children that interests you is the fact they are alive and reproduce, you’re not really doing your job as a parent.” Thid is why men shouldn’t talk to women about kids. They’re clueless beyond the fucking and suckling. And no, anon, I’m not going to explain. Go get a mani-pedi. Do something that makes you more feminine, not more femsplaining what dudes should think and do about their kids. Yes! you are at least partially correct. Women know nothing about fatherhood from the inside. And, someone who characterize parenting as a job damn… Read more »
Men life ambition and the odd things that happen when things go away and than come back as new version of something you get to become.
https://www.mheducation.co.uk/openup/chapters/0335199887.pdf
Circa 2002
https://www.hbs.edu/faculty/Publication%20Files/10-097.pdf
circa 2010
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12115-012-9596-y
Circa 2012
Lewis Hamilton: ”Hey, I’m gonna bang a pussycat doll“
A few years later ….
Lewis Hamilton: ”Hey, Am I gonna marry a PUSSYCAT DOLL?“ Fuck NOOOO
@csharppoet July 24, 2018 at 8:08 pm “What possible reason, and I ask the Red Pill men who are married or in LTR’s specifically, is there to be with a woman in any sort of (even Red Pill) committed relationship. If I don’t want to be in one, fine, but I want to know why anyone who is aware of hypergamy would want to be in one?” I know most of you young guys cannot yet relate to the answer I am about to give, but someday these things WILL matter to you. I do NOT think young guys in… Read more »
“I see . . .”
. . . the Hollywood, Blue Pill idealization.
“I know most of you young guys cannot yet relate to the answer I am about to give, but someday these things WILL matter to you.”
I am older than you.
@KFG I am older than you…
…And more angry, and more bitter, and more lonely, and more frustrated, I’ll wager. Why else would you spend so much time here criticizing others? I am here to learn, and because my job is a bit boring and they pay me to surf…
“What possible reason, and I ask the Red Pill men who are married or in LTR’s specifically, is there to be with a woman in any sort of (even Red Pill) committed relationship. If I don’t want to be in one, fine, but I want to know why anyone who is aware of hypergamy would want to be in one?” This is a risk/reward question. A marriage is kind of like a car. A car carries gasoline in its tank, which potentially could cause you to be burned alive. This is an acceptable risk for the reward of mobility. A… Read more »
marelius
If you are here to learn, you should learn that kfg is not criticizing. for example – do you see your wife falling down the stairs and becoming a paraplegic? Your kid developing a heroin habit?
do you see anything other than the dream?
@Water Cannon Boy and @Blax
Still here, agree with your thoughts on the matter. I grew up where money was always a struggle and like to think I am pretty well off professionally, physically, and mentally but there are definitely still times where I question my “worth” strictly based on a salary standpoint. Should be getting a raise in September retroactive to July, so hoping it is enough to quiet the nagging voice.
“…And more angry, and more bitter, and more lonely, and more frustrated, I’ll wager.” I can’t show this to my friends. I’m afraid they’d die laughing, and then try to get odds off of you, and I have nothing but good will toward you (although sometimes a hard whack is the best teacher. Twain contemplated that if learning German were as potentially painful as learning to ride a bicycle the process would go faster). “I am here to learn . . .” Without criticism? (To judge the merits and faults of; analyze and evaluate.) ” . . . my job… Read more »
@marelius “With 54 years of solid Blue Pill experience, followed by one year of wakefulness … the only thing for me to do at this point is to look to the future. The alternative would be to dwell on the failures and ignorance of the past, resulting in depression, anger and frustration.” When I immersed in TRM I began to feel more at peace with the past. I began to see the reasons behind all the mistakes I’d made, the traps I walked into and the forces driving the behavior of others. I felt better, not worse, even though in… Read more »
“do you see anything other than the dream?”
Lead Gage everything the best way i can… Not escaping reality but staying still in the weather of chaos around us.
“When I immersed in TRM I began to feel more at peace with the past.”
This is where TRM is different from MGTOW.
MGTOW don’t want to accept that “Hypergamy is a feature, not a bug”. They think it is a “flaw” in the female nature. It is not a flaw, it is what it is and Men need to deal with it.
Reading TRM helps you understand that women don’t do this “consciously”, it is something innate to their being. It is then that you get out of the anger phase and make peace with the reality.
” . . . you get out of the anger phase and make peace with the reality . . . ”
. . . and you can start doing MGTOW properly.
Still haven’t found the ethernet cable, so I’m taking a break from networking and working on the Home Library/Lectern e-reader project. That’ll keep me closer to the bench for a while.
“. . . and you can start doing MGTOW properly.”
Whatever …
@marelius ” I do NOT think young guys in their 20s and 30s today can achieve the things I am about to describe in the same manner that I have and will continue to do. Things are just too different today. If I had TRP in my 20s, I am certain I would not have followed the path that led me to this point, so you will have to figure out an alternative path.” The alternative path for the time being is MGTOW! There is a burning issue though with going MGTOW before having a child! I am 36 red… Read more »
” . . . self improve to the maximum to become a slightly above average man . . .”
Either you started out with considerable disadvantages or you’re doing it wrong.
Ambrose Bierce was not so optimistic about marital bliss …
MARRIAGE, n. A community consisting of a master, a mistress and two slaves, making in all, two.
HUSBAND, n. One who, having dined, is charged with the care of the plate.
kfg I think you are missing the point! Also a bit deluded to think you can change an entire culture and modern mentality of women by just self-improving! I see it all around me…handsome men with women way below them in SMV. You becoming the best version of yourself doesn’t guarantee anything! At best you become another cock in the carousel while as it spins! What about children? Those post wall women who try to lock a provider remain hypergamous as fuck despite their depreciation and the shift in their demands! They still won’t settle for anyone and they come… Read more »
“Also a bit deluded to think you can change an entire culture and modern mentality of women by just self-improving!”
Now you are ranting at the voices in your head.
“ranting” at where you put emphasis on
kfg
100′ ethernet
Oh, too good for sneakernet, are you?
Orson
Those post wall women who try to lock a provider remain hypergamous as fuck despite their depreciation and the shift in their demands! They still won’t settle for anyone and they come with many bullshit entitlements that no man who respects himself can settle for!
Leave them alone, then.
What is your goal?
a child …as stated above!
Perhaps you should consider adopting?
Anonymous
no thanx! I am not infertile…yet
“facilitating the extinction of your family line and thus removed from the genetic pool of mankind.”
This for me answers the question “What is the point of being with a woman”…the point is she brings to life your offspring! This kind of seems obvious…maybe she’ll also cook for you…laundry…suckle babies…bring in an income…make you laugh…sing to you with her voice…help chauffeur the kids…teach your daughters to be girls and to mitigate their hypergamy. I see it all around me…handsome men with women way below them in SMV. This is damning evidence that you don’t understand anything about women. If you are good looking, you’d better be equally charming, because that’s what women will expect. And if… Read more »
“Oh, too good for sneakernet, are you?”
It’s my preferred LAN protocol, but even with the latest revision IPoAC over the WAN has throughput a bit slower than I’ve become accustomed to tolerate.
And I’m just plain too cheap to spring for a van full of micro SD cards.
Orson
no thanx! I am not infertile…yet
You have put yourself into a no-win box.
What’s your plan?
@theasdgamer
blue pill or purple pill simp?
“what women will expect” “women won’t expect much from you”
keep making women your mental point of origin!
“keep making women your mental point of origin!”
My secondary emphasis is that that’s what you are doing and projecting it onto me (which is liable to happen when you’re listening to the voices in your head).
The primary purpose of self-improvement is to have the capacity of an improved self. Pickles aren’t just for women.
“The primary purpose of self-improvement is to have the capacity of an improved self”
Self-improvement is just an empty concept …if it doesn’t serve for a purpose! If you fail to successfully pass your genes to an offspring during your finite lifetime then you are a loser! Evolution doesn’t care about your improved self if that is not enough to secure the genetic transmission!
And you don’t appear to have read the thread.
keep making women your mental point of origin!
Sure, don’t try to understand women. Now that’s a plan…
@Rollo
You’ve obviously made women your MPO because you attempted to understand them, you dancing money, you!
lol @ Orson
er, “monkey”, not “money”
Orson, did you even read Rollo’s Original Posting at all?
You complain that you cannot attract women under 30, and that women over 30 are too entitled. You have placed yourself in the no-win box, and want other men to fix your problem. But only you can fix your problem.
Suggestion:
Start by getting out of that no-win mindset.
Re “Dancing Monkey”
Mating is frequently referred to as a dance…and humans are generally classified as primates, so calling humans monkeys is fair as a figure of speech. So, calling humans who are in the process of seeking a mate “dancing monkeys” is accurate. However, that term is used as an epithet–which is applied to a biological function.
There’s a word for that…lemmesee…what do you call that…?
Absurd.
“I see it all around me…handsome men with women way below them in SMV.” yeah. Blue pilled handsome beta males be like that… “keep making women your mental point of origin! Sure, don’t try to understand women. Now that’s a plan…” whole point of this shit (self improvement/getting redpilled) is to fuck girls you desire (physically and mentally) and keep them around long term/not get fucked over (until you either get bored of them or you aren’t attracted to them anymore (fat/old)…regardless if you pass off your genes or not… “If you fail to successfully pass your genes to an… Read more »
Lol. This stuff changes lives and transforms, but it sure does baffle the fuck out of a lot of guys.
” whole point of this shit (self improvement/getting redpilled) is to fuck girls you desire (physically and mentally) and keep them around long term/not get fucked over (until you either get bored of them or you aren’t attracted to them anymore (fat/old)…regardless if you pass off your genes or not…” For those reading along, this is absolutely incorrect. Red pill is not specifically pua. Self improvement is not about getting pussy. The frame is wrong and fem centered. but this is the 100th guy to make this exact same assertion over the years. Be clear, doing shit specifically to ”… Read more »
“Self improvement is not about getting pussy” Just the mere fact of being born a male is about “getting pussy”. That’s why there is sexual dimorphism in the first place …men have evolved traits that attract the female and vice versa! So improvement is actually about getting the pussy first and foremost …if you are not gay! “let betas/former alpha males reproduce with the sloots…so they can feel like “winners”” In the big picture of evolution hardcore red pillers/MGTOWs who didn’t reproduce are the losers! Beta blokes who actually “married those sluts” and reproduced are the winners despite being cucked,… Read more »
** FacePalm gif here…**
OK, just kill me now:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ellyblue/bikes-not-rockets-feminist-bicycle-science-fiction
Arrrrrrrrrgh:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/33366926/lets-break-up-w-capitalism-feminist-economics-yoga?ref=2q31s2&token=535fe726
kfg OK, just kill me now: Paging Joanna Russ… I remember reading a short in Analog years ago that featured kinda sorta bikes in space; human powered high efficiency generator connected providing the current for an electro-ion drive, all enclosed in some kind of pressurized shell. Skipped over the issue of radiation, but whatever. “Intersectional feminist bicycle SF” is the sort of thing that led me to quit reading Analog years back. Arrrrrrrrrgh: Nice blue lipstick. No menstrual blood? Must be 3rd stage feminism rather than 2nd. PT Barnum was right. If he was alive now he’d be running such… Read more »
Orson
In the big picture of evolution hardcore red pillers/MGTOWs who didn’t reproduce are the losers!
Beta blokes who actually “married those sluts” and reproduced are the winners despite being cucked, abandoned or divorce raped.
OK, then man up and marry one of those post Wall sluts. Or quit whining. Your choice.
Blaximus
** FacePalm gif here…**
I’m really missing the ability to post images right now.
The kickstarter for “intersectional bicycling feminist fiction” reminds me that it has never been easier to publish fiction provided one is willing to use Amazon’s epub format. Of course this means there’s a lottta girlie porn out there for Kindle along with a lot of other stuff. Still, the days of a handful of men in NYC gatekeeping fiction are more or less over.
” . . . Joanna Russ…” Oh yeah, improve my day by reminding of that why don’t you? ” . . . human powered high efficiency generator connected providing the current for an electro-ion drive . . .” I’ve done a proof of concept, but the concept to be proved was why we use chain drive. Chain drive sucks in all sorts of ways, but the only thing that sucks more is everything else. “Are you just on a self-abuse binge, or what?” Goes with the territory of setting up a wireless network I guess. Stuff is a lot better… Read more »
” . . . this means there’s a lottta girlie porn out there for Kindle . . .”
I clicked on one romance novel because I was assured the comments were a hoot, and so my day began by checking out the daily deals to be greeted by one Neal Stephenson and a wall of covers that looked like gay porn to me.
Just kill the algorithm now.
wall of covers that looked like gay porn to me.
Thanks for taking point. XD
Orson 27 July 2018 2:05pm When we die our bodies break down into their constituent parts and become nutrients for other lifeforms. The dinosaurs were the pre-eminient species on this planet, until asteroids rained down from the sky. The resulting devastation, irrevocably, altered earth’s ecology and made them extinct. The Permian mass extinction caused ninety six percent of all life on earth to become extinct. All life on earth is descended from the surviving four percent of life in that period. What of nature’s great striving to reproduce? Well she was made to start again, probably from evolutionary dead ends… Read more »
“When we die our bodies break down into their constituent parts and become nutrients for other lifeforms.” This is a constant process. The constituent parts of your body now are not the same parts you had 10 years ago. The constituent parts of your body now were the constituent parts of grass, pigs and cows a short time ago and you are currently, in turn, being fed upon as you live. Water flows through you in a stream. There is no real physical boundary between you and your environment, you are constantly exchanging physical constituents with each other. “What of… Read more »
https://twitter.com/robertfrank615/status/1022646159737860097?s=21
Oh rah
Orson
https://www.reddit.com/r/becomeaman/comments/91jtqd/club_game/?ref=share&ref_source=link
https://www.reddit.com/r/becomeaman/comments/92g40a/how_to_become_attractive_as_a_man_this_exercise/?ref=share&ref_source=link