I’m a psychotherapist working with couples, especially men who get left by their wives. I’ve studied your material for over a year now and the hypergamy stuff is dead on. I just wanted to share and maybe talk with you about the red pill rage that results — women love opportunistically yes, but many men who comment on your material are missing a component I believe. And it’s not one I’ve heard you allude to much either.. When a man isn’t pursuing his dreams and highest self, the woman oftentimes interprets that as a lack of love for her, as though continuing to stay competitive and strong in the world shows her that he is invested in the relationship. When men get lazy women actually feel discarded. The pain and the love is real – it isn’t so simple as jaded men think.. that women are blood thirsty gold digging monsters. The female design feels unloved and devalued when her man is not on fire for his own life..
I had this sent to me recently. It’s actually a pretty standard trope for Trad-Con women who want to justify their leaving a husband or having left an old lover/baby-daddy. They like to pretend they’re ‘red pill’ and so the only men who might qualify for their expired sexual market value will be Red Pill men who meet their new qualifications. One thing I’m seeing more and more of in this sub-section of the manosphere (really femosphere) is aged-out divorcé women who want to rebrand the ‘red pill’ to justify their unmarried, unpaired, state in the new sexual marketplace. As you might imagine, their solipsism gets combined with what they convert into a convenient rationale about what Red Pill men ought to be like. The lack of ‘real men’, real ‘red pill’ men is ostensibly why they’re still single – no man is actually ‘red pill’ enough to satisfy their hamstering and thus, it’s not they who have the problem, but rather the men who lack the balls to live up to those expectations.
If this sounds familiar – like maybe a feminist spouted off a version of it – you’re right. I wrote about this rationalization back in The Bitter Taste of the Red Pill:
Game-aware women – the ones who have been forcibly exhausted of all pretense of maintaing the illusion that Game is a lie – feel as though it’s owed to them, in their concession of Game’s reality, that Men should use Game to women’s benefit. Even to the last effort women still cling to the tools of a feminized acculturation;
“Yeah, OK, you got us, Game is really what women want, Hypergamy is the law of womankind, but now it’s your responsibility that you use it for the better benefit of society by molding a new breed of improved Betas to accommodate fem-centric monogamy. You owe us our security for having admitted to the grand illusion that’s kept you in thrall for so long.”
It’s an indictment of Game-aware women, and sympathizing men, that they should feel a need to delineate some aspects of Game into good camps (pro woman, pro feminized monogamy) and bad camps (manipulative, polygynous, male-centered). Even in the admission of the truth that Game has enlightened Men of, the feminine imperative still seeks to categorize the application of Game to its own end. That Men might have some means of access to their own sexual strategy is too terrible a Threat; Game must be colored good or bad as it concerns the imperatives of women and a fem-centric societal norm.
As the default, socially correct and virtuous concern, women have an easier time of this. As Game becomes increasingly more difficult to deny or misdirect for the feminine, the natural next step in accepting it becomes qualifying its acceptable uses. While hypergamy is an ugly truth, the characterization of it becomes “just how women are” – an unfortunate legacy of their evolution. However for Men, the characterizations of the harsher aspects of Game in its rawest form (contingencies for hypergamy) are dubbed “the dark arts”.
Red Pill Women – A Convenient Rationale
I wrote this back in 2012. Some of my earliest posts were about predicting exactly this phenomenon in the future. The more Red Pill aware a woman is – or I should say, the more she consciously acknowledges it – the greater the need will be to find fault in men for not living up to what they redefine as ‘red pill’ canon. The more widespread Red Pill awareness of intersexual dynamics becomes, and the more accepted it is, the more it will serve as an alibi for women trying to rebuild a life they destroyed themselves. It becomes a Red Pill man’s ‘duty’ to forgive their indiscretions and help them recover too.
Over the years Dalrock has gone into how women detonate their marriages as a result of divorce porn fantasies. I’m not sure he really dissects the aftermath of their divorces. And this is only one way in which women may find themselves single around middle age. In Preventive Medicine I detail how women go through at least to periods of crisis level Hypergamous doubt during a marriage. Women’s prerequisites for attraction (not arousal) shifts radically once she reaches the Epiphany Phase (29-31). She becomes far more compromising in terms of physicality in exchange for aspects of a man she finds desirable for long-term prospects of security. Whereas she may have only dated banged guys 1-2 inches taller than herself in her Party Years, now she’s willing to entertain the idea of banging dating a guy slightly shorter than herself so long as he has a capacity for success and provisioning for her.
This is an interesting phase to pick apart because it’s likely the first time in a woman’s life that she’s considering a relationship with a guy based on transactional sex as opposed to the prime directive of validational sex she’s been pursuing for most of her Party Years (18-26). For the first time her long-term attraction is based on different aspects of a man’s Burden of Performance.
During the Epiphany Phase a woman plays a complex game of internalized mental gymnastics. Her hindbrain understands that her sexual market value has been decaying for at least a couple of years prior to this conscious recognition of it. The enjoyment of the Party Years has to be weighed against the fact that she’s progressively losing the attention of the men she would like to have ‘enthusiastic’ validational sex with, and the necessity of a long-term security with a long-term partner. Thus, the rationalization engine kicks into overdrive. She must convince herself that the less exciting (arousing) but better provisioning guy who’s happy to have her at 30 represents the type of guy she ‘should‘ have been with all along.
This is a self-bullshitting contrivance of course, but in her mind the guy who she’s marrying or pairing long term with must be an example of a ‘good prospect’. This is when she does the self-conditioning of turning her necessity into a virtue. She was “so crazy in college, but now she’s matured and not like that anymore.” Or she’s “Getting right with God” or she’s “Learned her lesson in dating banging those Bad Boys” who’ve characterized her intimate life up until this point.
Those are the easy self-contrivances; what’s more difficult is convincing her hindbrain (that desperately wants the exciting validational sex with the Bad Boy) that the unexciting ‘Good Guy’ is really what’s best for her. This is where women like to rearrange what’s really important to them in a man.
This is the internal conflict that takes place in the Epiphany Phase, but what happens to the woman who never gets to consolidate on the ‘Good Guy’? For a variety of reasons (mostly overvalued evaluation of their SMV) more and more women find themselves ‘never marrieds’ and/or they follow the timeline in Preventive Medicine and find themselves divorced of their own doing. In either case, women still work through a similar series of self-rationalizations with respect to what they’re looking for, and what they feel they are entitled to, in a man around 38 to 45, sometimes as late as 50.
And this is where the Red Pill feeds that female entitlement schema. The logic goes like this:
If I’m a Red Pill woman and I agree with all of these Red Pill men who, despite all my misgivings, align with my (self-defined and sanitized) definition of what it means to be “red pill”, then these men owe it to me to unplug from their Blue Pill delusions and see me for the jewel in the rough that I really am.
I think the time a woman is most likely to discover she’s a “Red Pill Woman” is conveniently at the point in her life when she’s at her most necessitous. You will almost never find a girl of 22 who’d want to identify as a Trad-Con “Red Pill” woman – the incentives to do so simply don’t exist at this age. The fact that it is predominantly Traditional Conservative women who are either just pre-Wall or post-Wall, single-mothers, never married spinsters, divorcés or married-to-lesser-Betas who wish to redefine ‘Red Pill’ to use as a litmus test for the type of men they believe they’re entitled to is no coincidence.
Message to the ladies: Men don’t owe you shit. If you happen upon a man who shares your entitlement belief-set, a man willing to forgive your past indiscretions and marry you despite a ruthless marriage/divorce industrial complex arrayed against him, then thank whatever God you pray to and fuck that guy’s brains out to keep him happy, but don’t pretend it’s because either you or he is “Red Pill”. The fact that he would entertain the idea of a relationship with you disqualifies him from being “Red Pill”.
If you find yourself single, never-married at 38 and it “just never worked out for you” it’s time you look past your solipsism and find some real introspect. The problem begins and ends with you.
Love and Opportunism
Now, all that said, the ‘psychotherapist‘ who sent me this does have some legitimate points.
When a man isn’t pursuing his dreams and highest self, the woman oftentimes interprets that as a lack of love for her, as though continuing to stay competitive and strong in the world shows her that he is invested in the relationship.
First of all this is flat out false; I’ve written several posts that illustrate exactly this perspective. From Setting the Rules:
Once a woman understands the gravity and legitimacy of your purpose / passion, only then can she come to appreciate the significance of you foregoing or postponing the dictates of that purpose for her. She will never feel more important to you than when you (occasionally) lift her above that legitimate, verified purpose.
Women will never appreciate a relationship that is a Man’s greatest ambition.
That’s an old (obscure?) post I wrote some time ago, but the basic principle is that a man must be fearless in his pursuit of his passions both before and after he’s entered into some kind of committed exclusivity. In Acing the Test I point out that women tend to shit test for different things while single and when in an LTR. In a long term relationship these test are characterized by the need to quell the Hypergamous doubt that she paired with a guy who is, or has the potential for competency. In other words her Hypergamous hindbrain wants to know it made its best ‘bet’ on you.
And while that’s all fine and well, her hindbrain’s insecurity wars with the need for you to retain your ambition and your being emotionally available for her. When these two aspects come into conflict it is up to a man to retain the world, the Frame, he’s established in which she feels comfortable and yet uncomfortable enough to know he’s competent to be powerful in directing his own course in life.
When men get lazy women actually feel discarded. The pain and the love is real – it isn’t so simple as jaded men think.. that women are blood thirsty gold digging monsters. The female design feels unloved and devalued when her man is not on fire for his own life..
Again, this is a perfect illustration of the differences in the concepts men and women each independently hold when it comes to love. Men love Idealistically, women love Opportunistically and this quote spells this out in no uncertain terms – in fact it’s so ironic I’m not sure the woman relating this to me even realizes what she’s doing. Women intimately associate a man’s ambitiousness, his drive for mastery and power, his want for dominance, with her Opportunistic concept of love. She’s correct here, when men get lazy women feel discarded. However, this is because a man contenting himself with how things are and dropping all ambition confirms what her Hypergamous nature fears most – he’s really incompetent.
This is especially salient when a man trades his ambitions (assuming he had them) for a relationship with her. This reverses the Burden of Performance to her and as a result she feels unloved because her concept of love is founded on his capacity for competence. She feels unloved because opportunism defines her concept of love; and he only confirms his worthlessness by abdicating his Burden of Performance.
From Love Story:
Men are expected to perform. To be successful, to get the girl, to live a good life, men must do. Whether it’s riding wheelies down the street on your bicycle to get that cute girl’s attention or to get a doctorate degree to ensure your personal success and your future family’s, Men must perform. Women’s arousal, attraction, desire and love are rooted in that conditional performance. The degree to which that performance meets or exceeds expectations is certainly subjective, and the ease with which you can perform is also an issue, but perform you must.
A lot of this relates to the standard Mental Point of Origin conversation.
Blue Pill men are conditioned to think two things:
III. You shall make your mission, not your woman, your priority
Forget all those romantic cliches of the leading man proclaiming his undying love for the woman who completes him. Despite whatever protestations to the contrary, women do not want to be “The One” or the center of a man’s existence. They in fact want to subordinate themselves to a worthy man’s life purpose, to help him achieve that purpose with their feminine support, and to follow the path he lays out. You must respect a woman’s integrity and not lie to her that she is “your everything”. She is not your everything, and if she is, she will soon not be anymore.
One more time. The primary medicinal purpose of the red pill is: 1. To be prescribed to a very sick ineffectual man that he may assertively take his balls back in all of his life’s realms — including the sexual and non-sexual, male and female. 2. Once swallowed, it contains a powerful psychotropic that sharpens a man’s focused awareness (i.e. opens his eyes) to society’s pervasive blue pill idealism that can potentially completely destroy his mind and body (and finances) … and even cause him to literally end his own life at his own hands. (This is a passive response… Read more »
Not bad. Not bad at all.
“the ability to confidently and competently gain access to hawwwwt pussy (end goal of pua.mastery) [and continue banging her beyond a single night because he is aware of female hypergamy , doesn’t believe in soulmates, spins plates and basically just gets it (end goal of red pill)] if he isn’t gay”
FIFY
(end goal of red pill)….
Rollo, you got another book in you?
Apparently as you age past 50 or so, u substitute fucking beautiful young girls with all this gay ass “be as masculinity as humanly possible bro!!!!” Fuck hawt girls (not literally cause that’s pedalizing) lmao. Do NOT look forward to that day haha
I still see a theme.
Answer:
End goals are genderless…
Um, no. Who said that? Fuck hot girls regularly by all means …
because you want to, according to your own standards; not because it drives your long-deprived feelings of self-worth and self-confidence and because it will make you the envy of all your boyz….
… that’s the real gay shit, not any concepts of masculinity.
Cats laughing at masculinity. There’s a huge part of the problem right there. They are clueless about the subject.
Btw, snipe aside, and has nothing to do with it outside older guys remembering a time when men, as a whole, knew what masculinity was.
But hey, whatever.😁😁😁 keep reinventing the wheel. No hate/your life. Waste as you will.
Feminist.
Feminist talk negatively about masculinity.
I forgot that important distinction.
AIight, I’m old and it’s last muh 🌙 bedtime.
Whatever you say old man
KFG July 27 5:39pm “Getting hit by an asteroid is not an evolutionary failure. It’s a catastrophe. Species go extinct because their descendants have evolved to a degree that they constitute a different species. i.e. extinction is a sign of evolutionary success.” The evolutionary failure was in the dinosaurs not being able to adapt to their changing environment. If nature had it’s way the dinosaurs would still be here. They represent it’s greatest success. Success defined by living within a given ecosystem for an extended period. Extinction as a sign of evolutionary success is only applicable where the species adapted… Read more »
“If nature had it’s way the dinosaurs would still be here.”
Then hitting them with an asteroid (a natural occurrence) might have been a poor tactic. In any case, they are still here. I had some of their children’s children in potentia for breakfast. Nature can’t seem to make up it’s mind whether it loves or hates giantism. It keeps building them up just to knock them down.
“But within 200 million years the cyanobacteria would poison it’s habitat and bring about it’s own demise.”
Fat burners of the world, UNITE!
Sentient July 24, 2018 at 12:01 pm 447 “Quite ironic, really, if you think about it.” There is no “winning” against hypergamy. It’s a win win strategy for women. ————- Ummmm…I think there is. There are even two: 1. Usual manosphere stuff: Aquire game, frame and (optional) real value. –> individualistic solution, women fastly prefer this one, here they “win” as a female collective, because they are tingled by game men and supported by betas while they poison society/civilization. Pro for men: No need for mission/value, BUT you need game or fake value (aka what females consider to be value,… Read more »
To reiterate, because it irks me to no end, Game isn’t about faking anything.
Pua styled ” game ” promotes that to an extent.
It’s a shame to keep hearing men equate the two because they don’t know the origination of Game , which is for life and not solely for females.
Men shouldn’t ever ” take ” stuff after age 21. Shirking responsibility for becoming fully formed men? That shit ain’t even cool.
447
Well your own words say your Option 1 is hypergamy winning. “Alpha” fucks and beta bucks.
Option 2 is arguable. Beta support is never withdrawn societally or there is no society. And “control” does not stop Alpha fucks and Beta cucks. It may raise hurdles.
” fake “, not take.
“the pedestal is a true motherfucker. Worse even than incel.”
Stealing this profound statement. Limited options by stupid choices versus some limited options thrust upon him. An incel can still be a man, but a pedestalizer will always be a pussy
Pua styled ” game ” promotes that to an extent. …because it’s so one-dimensional…life is bigger than that…it’s men like j who especially need to hear this… …I’m better at building new stuff than I am at fixing stuff, so I need to work on getting better at diagnostics and taking shit apart to see how it works…looking at lines in my basement to see what connects where, for example…the PTO on my riding mower isn’t working so I need to build a deck I can park it on and crawl underneath to work on it…probably a belt came loose… Read more »
Sentient July 28, 2018 at 7:44 am 447 Well your own words say your Option 1 is hypergamy winning. “Alpha” fucks and beta bucks. Option 2 is arguable. Beta support is never withdrawn societally or there is no society. And “control” does not stop Alpha fucks and Beta cucks. It may raise hurdles. ————- Yes. @1 @2: oh, it is, happens all the time. Eliminating those women who are too hypergamous/uppity is such a great strategy, that competing civilizations vastly inferior to the West have started to populate western homelands – they can’t even produce sufficient food, law or science…but… Read more »
“The fact that he would entertain the idea of a relationship with you disqualifies him from being “red pill”.” Dagger. So the post hoc rationalization of the flings, feelz, and finding myself era into the facade of reordered beta-on-top hierarchy is an implicit or unconscious shit test? By nature of offering a price (exclusivity, potential commitment) to such a woman he demonstartes that he’s willing to overpay; only suckers overpay. So the man falls thru the trapdoor of her hindbrain into confirmed beta status. Meanwhile her forebrain dials up the self-affirming paychobabble of the Good Man is alpha hawt! But… Read more »
Pro for men: Focus on mission, no need for game
…because you’re going to live in a cabin in the wilderness…not have kids…and be a waste of oxygen…otherwise, this is teenage level bullshit…if you live in society, like most of us do, you need to know how to get along with men…and with women…and that takes game.
“if you live in society, like most of us do, you need to know how to get along with men…and with women…and that takes game.”
basic social skills is not game
“if you live in society, like most of us do, you need to know how to get along with men…and with women…and that takes game.”
basic social skills is not game…
In effect, its the danger of creeping beta that is baked into every marriage – but it happens day one.
Yeah, beta creep is always something you have to watch out for and remedy if you become too beta in your behavior. It’s a matter of watching your own mindset and checking your MPO and enforcing your boundaries. But you have to do all that whether you’re in a relationship or not. And you need to be damn good at it.
Tune in
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8-jOW9IH2Sk
“It’s a matter of watching your own mindset and checking your MPO and enforcing your boundaries. But you have to do all that whether you’re in a relationship or not. And you need to be damn good at it.”
100% co sign
basic social skills is not game
of course, it’s part of game…PUA aims to flip women’s switches and other shit…but game is partly about bringing pleasure to people and bringing pleasure to people most certainly is game…you might tell jokes to men so that they will like you and want to hang out with you and go on hunting trips with you or work on shit with you…
The 48 Laws of Power contains many Game principles–none of which are specific to pickup.
By my senior year of high school, I banged about 5 cheerleaders, 2 tennis club players, 3 track girls, 2 basketball team players, and almost a dozen ” regular ” girls of varying HB’s. Not counting the few college chicks and occasional 22+ year old chicks. Guys can buffer all they want about social media, and I concur that it’s had some degree of impact, but girl’s nature’s for the most part has pretty much remained fairly constant. The biggest difference now is that they are more comfortable putting everything on display and society has pretty much given them a… Read more »
Blax
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ke3ua0kLhYA
The Eighties were the swan song for masculinity this go round. We need to wait for hard times to bring back hard men. J won’t understand masculinity until he gets his ass kicked…
Related… Peak femininity as well?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fBpevNjJbWU
Remember baby lotion? Cruising the beaches on a summer day?
J – capital G game is psychological domination at the core. Beyond whatever you would define “basic social skills” as.
Never too late for some VH.
“J won’t understand masculinity until he gets his ass kicked…” I’ve been punched, kicked and jumped by a gang a couple of times in my life….mostly because of my penchant for breaking rules/social norms (kissing other guy’s girlfriends in front of the them and then refusing to apologize…stealing a bottle from a vip table…knocking out girls to the ground for their retarded drunk behavior…then having white knights (and then cops) come after me…the list goes on)… “J – capital G game is psychological domination at the core. Beyond whatever you would define “basic social skills” as.” Any incel can pick… Read more »
@Sentient
Re: 80s
Watched Breathless with Richard Gere and Valérie Kaprisky the other day…So good.
Won’t land him a 9 tho…which is what Game is about….women
One Note Charlie sings “Pedestalization.”
J, doing shit like that is just retarded because you might run into someone like Blax, or even me (and I much prefer to avoid fights). It’s like motorcyclists who weave thru traffic–looking to win a Darwin award.
I know a guy whose father was killed for fucking a married woman. Probably only one percent of men would kill you if you fucked their wives. If your married notch count gets up to fifty, you’re in dangerous territory. (.99 to the 50th power gives you the odds of not getting shot)–a 40% chance of getting shot.
J “I’ve been punched, kicked and jumped by a gang a couple of times in my life….” And then there is an add kicking… Also be aware it might have nothing to do with physical violence… Which brings us back to “and apply the principles in the book, and over the course of a couple months he’ll make friends. ” What equates “friends” with “psychological dominance” to you? We get it J, you are young and naive and enjoy a purple patch of prime poosy for the first time. Love is a drug they said… https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AwGMQ1MOYuk And pussy males you… Read more »
@blax
I think you meant “don’t buffer yourself into a corner” — but “don’t butter yourself into a corner” certainly was thought -provoking
Lmao.
Spellchecker must be a 9 that’s so special I can’t game it.
This whole parsing and separation of mission vs game continues to be irksome to me as well. It’s what I tried (in vain) to beat into YaReally’s head a few years ago when he was disgorging his reams of *free* advice to gamer wannabes to drop everything and soley focus on getting good at gaming girls. Screamed at him to teach them to DOOOO BOOOTTTH, but he buried me in walls of text of why young men apparently have no ability to focus on two things at once and parallel process. smh Here is where that leads: I think he… Read more »
@Ajax that’s a shit example. Athletes, like Wilt, don’t need Game to fuck all them hoes because they (hoes) pursue them: “We don’t even have to try,” says Phoenix Sun guard Kevin Johnson. “We come into town, and the women come out in force. They know who we are, how much money we make. They throw themselves at us. They call the hotel, they follow the bus, they meet us at the airports. The women hover and wait to try to get you.” Often it is the same women, time and again. “I see the same ones hanging around now… Read more »
J
So Basketball is superior to Game. 🏀
Gotcha.
You need a driver’s license to drive a pizza delivery car/truck. Once you get your driver’s license, you should only deliver the sausage, pepperoni and extra cheese pies because they are the absolute best and everybody knows it unless they are lying or don’t have the ability to eat the best pies. The whole point of getting a license is to deliver the ” best pizzas ” period. You don’t need to ever know anything about driving outside of how to get from the pizza place to the customer’s front door with piping hot pie(s). It’s all about pizza. That’s… Read more »
yeah sure bro. Wanna bang a lot of sluts without putting in the time and effort to learn Game? Well I’ve got the solution for you! All you gotta do is join a professional Basketball team!! Easy. “They want the thrill of being with an athlete,” says Wilkins. “And they don’t want safe sex. They want to have your baby, man, because they think that if they have your baby, they’re set for life. That’s the hard fact of it, because if they had a life, they wouldn’t be hanging around the hotel or showing up at the back door… Read more »
But… You’re not talking about game of red pill. You’re speaking strictly pua mantra. Hence the pushback. If you stopped falsely identifying what you profess as game, there’d be nothing to discuss. Pua is what it is. Time reveals. Examples abound and will only become cleared with the passage of more time. Game is timeless. Game predates all of these out gurus trying to pick over Game and incorporate it into female pedestalizing femcentric behaviors in the name of ” hawt pussy ” only as the ultimate end game for a man. You totally missed the point about Wilt because… Read more »
Although….Feminist LOVE that idea and manner of thinking. All hail the vagina!
Which reminds me, I gotta order some laces for muh jordans.😀
@Blax “Guys can buffer all they want about social media, and I concur that it’s had some degree of impact, but girl’s nature’s for the most part has pretty much remained fairly constant. The biggest difference now is that they are more comfortable putting everything on display and society has pretty much given them a full pass.” Progress! Pre YaReally you probably wouldn’t have acknowledged there was any impact at all. I don’t think anyone, even @j or YaReally will disagree with you that women’s nature hasn’t changed. Girls are girls anywhere. The question is *how much* of an influence… Read more »
“Do you know how many players there have been in professional sports over the last 20-30 years? And how most of them sound up in the end?”
….because they don’t have Game or Red Pill knowledge. and they have no incentive to understand women because (as I just pointed out) gold diggers just throw themselves at them. “Hey man free pussy” so they end up getting fucked over by said sluts. Players with Red Pill knowledge know what’s up.
Culum
Honestly, this is a bit like asking “how would you Game in Saudi Arabia?” Because girls are girls there too, but you probably don’t want to be going daygaming.
Dunno about Saudi but in the Gulf states such as Bharain or Dubai Game happens. Expats go to the mall, find girls in tents that reveal only their eyes – the eyes have it. Expat housing is remote from locals, even if girls can’t drive someone will drive them to and from….
Not personal experience, but second hand from men who have been there.
They are all girls.
“You need to find a different word for what you call “Game” . . .”
#EvolvetheDefinition
Don’t complain, just find a new word, rebrand, for what “masculinity” has meant since the beginning of time.
Or, ya know, you could just learn to speak English instead of Vested Interest Jargon.
Dubai Nightlife 2018 datasheet
https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-67312.html
lot of hookers there apparently
“They are all girls.”
You will have a lot harder time fucking a muslim girl living in Saudi Arabia all her life in a single night compared to attempting the same with a random chick at the Top of The Standard Hotel in NYC on a Saturday night
Hey Culum Ummmm…my definition of Game has been around all my life and before I was born. Let pua’s find another word because they stole and misrepresent a word/concept that predates them, and even today still exists outside of the sphere in it’s original form. So forgive me as I was schooled by men ( and a few game savy women ), and it wasn’t/isn’t solely about banging or pedestalizing not women. That shit is bad. It’s sacrilegious to hear a guy say ” game ” while extolling virtues of not women in the manner that puas teach. If a… Read more »
J
Sigh. I ‘vs pulled off a few hijabs.
Game son. They are just girls, religion or nah.
j
Dubai Nightlife 2018 datasheet
https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-67312.html
lot of hookers there apparently
The sheiks import hookers by the Gulfstream-load, we all know that.
Doesn’t change the nature of women, though. Quit being so defensive when someone shares info with you.
“They are all girls.”
You will have a lot harder time fucking a muslim girl living in Saudi Arabia all her life in a single night compared to attempting the same with a random chick at the Top of The Standard Hotel in NYC on a Saturday night
So?
“If a guy is gonna steal old shit and chop it up, he can at least change the name.”
Indeed, but the idea is to wear its skin and demand its respect.
Lol
“I ‘vs pulled off a few hijabs.”
so have I, but she was a tourist…and we all know girls behave differently when they travel to foreign destinations….not in Saudi itself (no motivation to ever go there so I’ll never know haha).
Anyone else notice the bad Moonvees rising? Looks like Weinstein wasn’t enough of a sacrifice. But the head of CBS is a heck of a lot bigger trophy than Hahvey.
Interesting times.
@AR
“So?”
@Culum
“The question is *how much* of an influence the external environment [NYC’s liberal culture Vs Saudi Arabia’s conservative culture] has had and how different the playing field is”
J
“Want hot girls to give you desire sex just because you’re you (and the emotions you make her feel)? ”
Wilt was just being Wilt… That’s what you don’t like. Maybe looking at some of tge things that made Wilt Wilt would be useful…
Game transcends shit that stymies regular dudes.😁
Because there’s no formula. It’s about what you know – for real – and who you are.
Game never says ” how do I hang this chick from a different religion/culture/zip code/planet? “.
Never.
I’m not gonna game a conservative chick with the same jerkboy approach I’d game a free spirit *cough slut *cough* chick. Art of calibrating
@Sentient I do not doubt Wilt had game. if you read upthread, you’ll see I pointed out that he’d easily have a triple digit count even without basketball because of his stature and the fact that black men had that forbidden fruit thing going for them. I only said, he wouldn’t reach 20K without his basketball fame because girls make it easy for professional athletes (they’re not gonna shit test him the way they’d shit test Bob the accountant approaching a 9 on the street). That is a fact. Only thing I’ve actually read on Wilt’s game is from this… Read more »
Agreed. Pua’s need calibration and different personalities and ” tactics “.
Not Game.
If it works for you, I love it.
Still not Game.
Sounds exhausting.
OK, got it. Make your mission fucking 20,000 dimes while sleeping on friends’ couches. – Don’t feed your brain about personal mission nonsense (unless it involves reading about game and field reports) – Don’t feed your body (aka the ‘Yo, just lift, bro’ fallacy) since looks don’t matter – Don’t feed your bank accounts and stack cash because YaReally did it without a pot to piss in – Don’t pursue mastery of your unique talents outside of the vagina because any focus outside of pussy is completely gay — and if you ain’t thinnking about pussy 24/7, you must also… Read more »
“Pua’s need calibration and different personalities and ” tactics “”
To me that is Game. I don’t care if you or the other old guys don’t like it
Nancy Friday’s My Secret Garden (1973)
Room 12: Big Black Men
“He’s forbidden because of his color; his cock has been endowed with mythic proportions; and the story’s been around for years that his expertise at fucking comes close to black magic. The first thing a woman does in the black-man fantasy is to remove the guilt by making it a rape. Being raped allows her to throw her (helpless) self more wholeheartedly into the act, so that every determined thrust can be read as one of struggling protest. Size is the real power of the black man fantasy.”
I think I just heard a loud needle scratching an LP….
KFG, was that you?
Ajax
😂😂😂
Yeah I missed it. Evidently I’m still coming to grips with it ( and failing ).
J.
Funny, I never heard any of that before .
I gotta add Nancy Friday to my list of Shit That Blew Younger Cat’s Mind, right after Hypergamy and ” women can’t love men the way they want to be loved ( reinterpreted as women can’t love…you know..Because easier/adhd) “.
Secret garden was supposed to help inform to a degree, not to cause you to point out passages like they were gospel revelations – super buffer material.
Aaaannnddddd that’s my cue.
Catch y’all later.
Ajax
Your bullshit pre-1999 knowledge about women is laughable, old man. They are, in fact, more than just girls since the GFA.
Ok, in what way are girls now More Than Just Girls? Be specific. I wanna know, because the 20-somethings that I interacted with last month were just girls. What did I miss?
j
Nancy Friday’s My Secret Garden (1973)
Careful with that stuff. It blew Andy’s mind pretty badly. Don’t let it get to you, too.
Somebody should have told Bob Hope to take up basketball and put on blackface, cuz I think his notch count was only about 2k. There’d be 3 or 4 girls waiting outside his room at the hotel. Ugly, chubby, weak, milquetoast-looking Bob Hope.
What did I miss?
…the sarcasm
A self-aware woman writing about motherhood and solipsism blanking out her husband from her memories and senses… But also: I don’t remember that much of him in the first year. I have to try really hard to pull up memories of him sometimes, as if there was a finite amount of space inside me then for storing things. I know this is more my failing than his absence. It was motherhood-induced myopia, where all I could or would see was myself and my daughter and the various threads that tied us back and forth to each other. It was selfishness… Read more »
….I was simply pointing out something black basketball playas like Wilt and Clyde Frazier had going for them in addition to their height/looks/fame and swagger in the 70s…
I love the book actually. Went on a brief streak of fucking girls in public after reading it last year
” . . . the head of CBS is a heck of a lot bigger trophy than Hahvey.”
It’s just the ball starting to really get rolling if Farrow has anything to do with it.
“I think I just heard a loud needle scratching an LP….KFG, was that you?”
I got around to replacing the broken belt last week (after years), but now I can’t find where I stuffed the power cord and pre-amp. I suspect they’re off gossiping about me with the ethernet cable.
kfg
It’s just the ball starting to really get rolling if Farrow has anything to do with it.
Insert “George Costanza eating popcorn gif” here.
Farrow’s a man who has no questions about what his mission is, and the list of names of people he would like to push directly into the fires of Hell is not short.
Really good listen
https://www.npr.org/2018/03/19/594719471/guys-we-have-a-problem-how-american-masculinity-creates-lonely-men
kfg
Farrow’s a man who has no questions about what his mission is, and the list of names of people he would like to push directly into the fires of Hell is not short.
Insert gifs of “eating popcorn while reading lists of names and laughing”.
Except for the music, NPR is FI.
AR i meant interesting listen good point
Blaximus
Damn its all hitting close
@ollieoxenfree1 Complex organisms and all organic life strife to avoid being reduced to inorganic material! All life might share the same earthly minerals and varying percentage of DNA yet all lifeforms strife for retaining their particular niche unchanged for thousands of years! The jellyfish has remained unchanged for 500 million years! The big felines will kill each other’s cubs despite originating from the same biological family! Reproduction offers a small window where the animal passes his genetic material before becoming nutrients for other organisms! Male libido offers abundance of sperm and hypergamy chooses the best sperm! This might have been… Read more »
@Orson:
You want kids. I wrote a comment in this thread supportive of your argument before you arrived in it.
We get it.
It’s time to move on to “So now what?”
“So now what?” = have kids with post carousel sluts or remain childless ….coz you can’t pull it off to be in the 5-10 % of males (celebrities, wealthy guys, really handsome men) who manage to reproduce with healthy young females!
Well there ya go. Problem solved.
Orson,
You have to change social narrative on it’s core. Trying to implying with the narrative, pushing to be of the 5% of the males is ridiculous and imaginary.
” genetic material “.😂 so impersonal.
…and funny.
@KFG . . . the Hollywood, Blue Pill idealization. My initial response was an unreasonable jab back at you. My apologies. I have thought quite a bit more about this since then, and while I agree my future might appear somewhat idyllic, I can’t see where the “. . . the Hollywood, Blue Pill idealization” is. Keeping in mind that a lack of details (about my wife’s inevitable periodic hypergamous behavioral outbursts that is TRP reality) does NOT imply BP ignorance on my part, please do tell what aspect of my vision is BP idealized? I am not picking a… Read more »
It’s ok to call offspring ‘genetic material.’
Provided dudes focus on only having sex with other humans’ hawwwtest <25YO genetic material…
#goals
@ASD ” PTO on my riding mower isn’t working so I need to build a deck I can park it on and crawl underneath to work on it…probably a belt came loose or something…” The belt most likely broke and is out on the lawn somewhere, or just laying on the mower deck. You should be able to replace it from the topside without building a ramp. If it broke, the hardest part will likely be figuring out the right size, unless the numbers are still legible on the edge. If the belt is intact, the next likely culprit would… Read more »
“My apologies.” Don’t sweat it. It comes with the territory. ” . . . what aspect of my vision is BP idealized?” Every element of it, right down to the specific choice of retirement pastime. It’s not just a Blue Pill idealization, it is the stereotype of Blue Pill idealizations. If I wanted to hack together a B movie/novel, I would start with that stereotype and progress the story by introducing Red Pill realities into it. It could be a comedy, drama or tragedy, depending on the treatment. And I could get all of my material just by cruising the… Read more »
The issue with women/children/wives is being presented in an extreme binary manner, which is limiting the possible choices and paths. If you want kids you do not need to get some post wall slut/ho as is being presented by some of the commenters, you can get a younger woman if that’s what you what value in her prime. However, there will be tradeoffs , she may not be as mature mentally/experienced so you will have to put work on many fronts. These binary paths/worst path scenarios being presented are not necessary they limit possible solutions, you can still have good/… Read more »
Being their was life changing
NOT safe for work:
This is my first post I would like to give a bit of info and ask two questions. In the last year as part of losing weight I worked on improving my appearance as best I could. I lost 95 lbs and am now 6’0″ and weigh 190. I hit the gym and built some upper body muscle and legs. Improved my posture when walking (head up shoulder back). Ditched glasses and got contacts. Learned about how clothes are supposed to fit and dressed better. It’s been a big change and the treatment has changed. Questions 1. I work in… Read more »
KFG,
That is a useless over generalization. What specifically are you referring to? As long as the central character is living those visions with full awareness of the cause and inevitability of his women’s behavior, then I see it as firmly red pilled.
It seems you want to believe that living comfortably and aging gracefully with your spouse is blue pill. Red pill Blue pill is NOT about how, and who with, one chooses to live, rather, it’s about making those choices in full awareness of how intersexual dynamics play out.
Also, as you stated, that is a stereotype. And the B movie you are scripting is starring a BP ABC who is still asleep.
The movie I scripted upthread has me in the starring role, so you are criticizing a future that you are fundamentally re-writing to suit your conclusion.
That’s all fine and well, it just has nothing to do with me. I’m more interested in those things that do bear a relationship to my life and circumstance.
AFC, not ABC – I HATE typing on ipads
“It seems you want to believe that living comfortably and aging gracefully with your spouse is blue pill.”
I think if you think some more you’ll find the flaw in that.
“Red pill . . . it’s about making those choices in full awareness of how intersexual dynamics play out.”
That’s the aspect of it that TRM focuses on.