Are Men Adapting to the New Sexual Marketplace?

I revisited the topic of Men Going Their Own Way (MGTOW) last Saturday on Rule Zero. I don’t like rehashing old debates I’ve learned will ultimately go nowhere. You simply wont reach most people who don’t want to be reached. Once they’ve had some experiential lessons in life, reinforced it with the tribalistic need to affirm the beliefs derived from that experience and then invest their egos in them it becomes kind of pointless. I’m not saying just give up on people, far from it, but do understand what you’re up against. This is why I say unplugging men from the Matrix is dirty work, and a lot like triage. Know what’s worth expending energy for.

Most men, and nearly all women, don’t form a belief set based on multiple, independently funded, peer reviewed studies or statistical analyses. We go with experience first and then modify it from there.

I did a bit of preparation for this talk. My schedule last Saturday only permitted me an hour so I wanted to be succinct and throw out at least something new to the conversation. There’s a lot of tribalism in the Manosphere today and it’s no surprise that MGTOW as a tribe in growing – but likely not for the reasons most MGTOW would be willing to admit. MGTOW is becoming atomized and commercialized in the same manner as I predicted the Red Pill would (and has) last year.

What that means is MGTOW is rapidly becoming the same commercial vehicle for grifters that the Red Pill was just a year and a half ago. Life Coaches, Relationship Experts, Fitness Gurus, even Christian men’s ministry pastors are all looking online to find out ‘where have all the men gone?’ When men were found in the Red Pill this is where the grifters would coalesce. Thus, you had every ‘brand-of-me’ self-improvement hack calling himself “red pill”. A few of them still do. A few of them read verbatim from my book(s) and plagiarize it as their own. But more now I see these same grifters referring to themselves as MGTOW without realizing (or even caring) what it really means to men.

MGTOW is the new ‘brand’ that lifestyle ‘coaches’ are adding to their twitter profiles and YouTube channel About pages. They see the potential for growth by association. Even if they get owned in their comments and feeds, adding the tag MGTOW will draw clicks. A few of these ‘coaches’ had a familiarity with the tribe and decided to finally commit in the hopes that it would boost views, others are former ‘power-of-positivity‘ life-coaches who slide into MGTOW because the definition of what makes a man “go his own way” is so loose now that it can align with virtually anything the guy had written about before his new affiliation.

It’s a real short step from “Make yourself your Mental Point of Origin” to “Make yourself #1 in your life” and then to “Go your own way.” I’ve had at least four “dating experts” (one female) claim Mental Point of Origin was their own idea in their subscriber emails as recently as August. Grifters used the Red Pill and are now using MGTOW to legitimize their brands today. In 2015 the MRAs decided to appropriate the Red Pill as their own brand to name a feminist’s “journey of self-discovery” movie The Red Pill. This appropriation is continuing with MGTOW now.

As I said on the Red Man Group back in May, the Red Pill is going to have a real PR problem in the coming year. Everything I predicted in my State of the Manosphere address a year ago has come to pass and I predict it will only intensify in the 2020 election cycle. The Gender War needs a convenient, easy-to-hate villain to point to in order to reinforce the Future is Female narrative.

Very soon MGTOW will have the same PR problem. And once the next Eliot Rodger or Alex Minasian incident occurs you’ll see these grifters scatter from MGTOW like roaches when the lights come on. When there are dead women on the sidewalk somewhere, and the MSM is using terms like ‘MGTOW’, ‘Incel’ and ‘radicalization’ that is when all the ‘tribes’ of the Manosphere will throw each other under the bus. That’s when you’ll know who was ‘playing MGTOW’ for likes.

Adaptation

One thing this re-debate of MGTOW has made me reconsider is whether men are adapting to the new realities of the sexual marketplace or just looking to make their necessities a virtue. At its simplest MGTOW is men refusing to make women the measure of their lives, and then molding their lives to their own plan. This pairs nicely with virtually every pet ideology and ‘positivity’ grift in the ‘sphere today. Even Tradcons will agree with MGTOW if it means “Be the best man you can be“. It agrees with Mental Point of Origin. It agrees with Roissy – “You shall make your mission, not your woman, your priority.” It agrees with “Women should only ever be a complement to a man’s life, never the focus of it.

If that was all there was to MGTOW it would simply be Red Pill. What “MGTOW” life-coach grifters don’t realize is that MGOTW is a derivative of the Red Pill. I’ve always argued that once a guy becomes Red Pill aware he cannot help but live in some different fashion. Even the guys who go into complete denial can’t unsee the truths of intersexual dynamics. It’s what you actually do with that new awareness that sets apart Red Pill praxeology from MGTOW in practice. There’s more to MGTOW than just refusing to make women the measure of a man’s life – it’s also deciding what actually is deference to women. And that’s where it becomes highly subjective.

In my last post I outlined how women were upset there weren’t enough ‘eligible‘ men to marry in the current (westernized) sexual marketplace (SMP) today. Of course the two most common responses were either:

  • Women are the victims of the SMP they created. Women’s solipsistic, socially enabled entitlements to an ‘economically attractive’ man (a man who exceeds her own productivity by 58%) only proves the point that women’s social media bloated egos have made them unrealistic tyrants. Now their beliefs and actions have come home to roost.
  • This is proof-positive that MGTOW is working! Finally women are waking up to the realities of their beliefs and actions. If enough guys abandon the SMP altogether then women will be forced to come back to reality and choose men based on other criteria than ‘economic attractiveness’.

One point I struggled to make on last week’s show was that I wondered if MGTOW believed that, from an evolved perspective, men and women are better together than they are apart. Unfortunately, I didn’t have time to pursue that question in depth; do MGTOW largely believe that, if social circumstances were different, men and women evolved to be complements to the other and the best social outcome would be for the sexes to be together rather than segregated?

For the last 60 years feminism has effectively driven a wedge between men and women. The Gender War of today exists because of a systematic segregation between men and women (don’t @me with the cultural marxism/’evil juice’ shit for the moment). Honestly, I’m sick of reading about how negative it is to merely point out the realities of this ‘gender cold war’ by Success Porn grifters, but is not MGTOW an adaptation to this segregation? Is not MGTOW an exacerbation of this segregation. When I read mantras like ‘Dogs, Dudes and Dolls’ it sounds an awful lot like ‘Cats, Girlfriends and Vibrators’.

Is MGTOW an adaptation to the conditions in a sexual marketplace that was (and still is) contrived by feminism/gynocentrism?

The following quote is from a long time commenter and friend Deti. This was from a larger discussion that began here if you want to get some context. Sorry guys, I just don’t have the space to repost the whole thread, but I don’t want this to get lost. Hopefully, it will inspire further discussion in this post’s comments:

I read Novaseeker as saying in his comments on this post, that women have adapted within this particular milieu. In other words, women noted the changes and have adapted to them. It helps that the changes were geared to them and prepared with them in mind. But women have adapted, and men have not.

About 100 years ago, it was all geared toward men and the sexual and marriage marketplaces were prepared with men in mind. They were prepared to advantage men and disadvantage women. Women responded to and lived within that milieu in a number of ways.

Using soft power, manipulation, deceit, subterfuge, behind the scenes machinations. Most women were more or less OK with marrying an OK guy, having OK sex, and living an OK life.

Of course, sometimes women cheated on the downlow. Sometimes women cuckolded husbands. I mean real actual traditional definition of cuckolding, which is a married woman getting pregnant by an Alpha and passing the child(ren) off as the Beta Husband’s. There’s no way to know how often that happened, but it wasn’t really rare – Maybe anywhere from 5 to 20% of children then weren’t fathered by their bio-moms’ husbands. In rare cases, not marrying and becoming spinsters, living as bohemians or as “favorite cousins” or “favorite aunts” with male relatives, working as teachers or seamstresses or some other job, and being live in nanny/maid. In rare cases, divorcing and living off family money or a husband’s alimony money. Living as widows and not remarrying.

The point is that women learned how to adapt. There are a lot of reasons for that, but they did adapt.

The main responses men have used today to adapt to changing circumstances have been:

  1. Game/PUA/Seduction – Use the changes to men’s advantage and go for easy sex and the bachelor lifestyle.
  2. MRA – Fighting the changes to advocate for either equalizing the laws or rolling them back to a return to Marriage 1.0 and pre-sexual revolution status.
  3. MGTOW – Check out of the new system, refuse to support or participate in it, and eschew relationships with women to varying degrees.

About, oh, 20 years in, I think we can safely say that option 2) is dead in the water and has been for some time. About the only real reforms here are that divorce and family laws are slowly, very, very slowly, moving toward 50/50 residential custody and away from alimony (except in the case of longer term marriages with breadwinner spouse/dependent nonemployed wife). Unless you have been married more than 20 years and support a housewife, you probably will not be paying alimony except for temporarily. Thats about the entire sum and substance of how “equal” it’s going to get between men and women.

That leaves 1) Game; and (3) MGTOW.

It’s hard to tell what will come out of this. I think we can say:

• Marriage 1.0 is dead and we are never going back to it for at least 2 more generations. If you think you’re going to have a “traditional marriage” where you don’t have to do much to maintain it or you can let up on your attractiveness levels, think again. Because that is not going to happen. If you’re going to marry a woman, you need to improve your attractiveness, marry a woman who is not financially dependent on you, and cultivate your own life separate and apart from her. You need a contingency plan in the event the marriage goes south. And with all that, you need to consider whether you want to risk bringing kids into the mix. You absolutely need a prenuptial agreement, even if it gets judicially torn up or modified later.

The bottom line is, people are still marrying, it’s just that it’s all being pushed out later and later, and people are staying single longer and spending less time married. Many women are meeting the men they eventually marry in their early to mid 20s, and then marrying in their late 20s and early 30s. That’s a paradigm that’s increasing in frequency; this idea of long term dating and engagements lasting 2 to 5 years while both the man and woman establish their careers.

If you want long term relationships you should consider marriage alternatives like living together, or being exclusive while living apart. You absolutely must avoid at all costs these polyamory/polygyny situations, and open marriages. You absolutely must avoid women who want to continue AF’ing it even after they marry. That must be an absolute no go, not an option, ever.

• Men have to improve and increase their sexual attractiveness to create, maintain, and sustain relationships with women. You can’t let up here. That’s IF you want relationships with women.

• More and more men will go pure MGTOW and will severely minimize if not eliminate their relationships with women. For a growing number of men, this option is going to be the best one, because (a) they did the work and still couldn’t attract women; or (b) they don’t want to do the work and it’s easier to stay as is than to try.

For most men, avoiding women entirely, except for paying hookers, is a no go. The thirst is that strong. The male sex drive is that potent. Most men want to have some contact with women, even if it’s just random hookups now and again. And the only way to do that is to make yourself as sexually attractive as possible. That just is so. Women are the ones who pick sex partners, and they have no problem with sharing attractive men with other women. So if you want sex partners, you have to make yourself sexually attractive. And you have to know male and female sexual nature, so that you know what you’re getting into, you know what you’re seeing, you know what women are doing, and you know what women really mean when they talk.

For men, improving one’s own attractiveness increases one’s power in the market. It increases his ability to control some of the selection process. It gives him an abundance mentality. It gives him the power to walk away from situations that disadvantage him. It gives him the ability to tell women “no” and to reject women who cannot or will not give him what he wants and needs.

On the other hand, going your own way can also increase your power in the market. It maximizes your control over your own life. It sharply reduces your responsibilities to others, and increases your opportunities. It frees up your resources to expend the way you want. Sharp reductions in responsibility means a sharp reduction in the needed resources for day to day living, meaning you can work less and increase your leisure time.

I think that more and more men will go pure MGTOW, which is essentially “make the best of a tough situation, be single, and don’t have a family. At least that’s better than getting divorce raped and it’s less work than going to the gym, getting in shape, and eating clean. This way I can eat what I want and work 30 hours a week, and live by myself in my apartment”. It’s kind of similar to women 100 years ago, where the path of least resistance was for Bertha BigGirl, Martha Dumptruck, and Plain Jane to “find a decent, OK man to support me, and probably have at least 3 of his kids. At least it’s better than living with Mom until she dies, and then having to live with my brother and his wife, and taking care of their kids.” And similar to the spinster, the MGTOW will be low status, or at least perceived as low status. But for the spinster and the MGTOW, their lifestyles will be at least better than whatever else they could have gotten.

Guys, Nova is absolutely correct in that men by and large are not adapting.

I think that what’s going on is that many men are saying “want to stay the same, don’t want to do a lot of work, but I still want women to be attracted to me and to be able to date a lot and eventually get married and have a family like (a) mom and dad had when I was growing up; or (b) like I didn’t get to have growing up.” Well, you can’t have that, at least not without working for it. If you want something you’re going to have to work for it. If you want women and sex, you’re going to have to make yourself attractive to women. And the way you’re going to do that, the only way to do that, is to stand out. And the way you stand out is by improving every area of your life – your job, your body, your finances, your lifestyle, your hobbies, your social acumen, and everything else that involves you going through your life.

The funny thing is that when a man stops caring so much about it, forgets about women, and sets about improving his life, he starts attracting women.

That’s the current state of things, I think.

I don’t disagree that we’re presently at a turning point in intersexual relations. After the advent of unilaterally female controlled birth control and the Sexual Revolution that followed the upheaval in how men and women come together and relate was inevitable. Now that we’re 50 odd years past that point we’re figuring out how reproduction, love, marriage, and something as simple as boy-meets-girl is going to look for future generations. The internet and a social media acculturation on a global scale has seen to it that it will likely never look like it did under the old social contract. There’s a theory that post-agrarian societies experienced a similar shift in intersexual dynamics in our ancestral past. Socially enforced monogamy was the obvious intersexual shift.

Right now we’re seeing a similar shift in intersexual relations. Is it simply better for men and women to live segregated lives? I don’t believe so, but it seems like a larger cultural narrative believes it’s time for both men and women to go their own ways. Until one side concedes, fuck any notion of evolved complementarity is the narrative I guess.

I do disagree with Deti in that I think men are adapting. They always have. It’s that the adaptation is counter to what we might hope is the natural order between men and women.

Published by Rollo Tomassi

Author of The Rational Male and The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine

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Enjoyed this, but would like to push back a little for the sake of discussion.. Men and women certainly evolved together, but to suggest that we are better together (in light of our recent relationship paradigm), might be a stretch. No doubt women of the past and present benefit tangibly from any arrangement, but what about men? Our biologic imperative is to resist commitment to one woman in our own interest. As cultural/religious forces have tempered this imperative, our sense of ‘together’ has changed for the betterment of society (IMO). Is it possible that men choosing a life of no… Read more »

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Farva But, it’s the ” facts ” that can be points of contention. I agree that men have the right and obligation to live life as they see fit for whatever reasons they like, but that choice doesn’t necessarily mean it’s fact based. I happen to believe men and women are better together than apart, but I recognize that’s based on my experience and understanding. The biological imperative is reproduction. One can opt out of this but it doesn’t change the ” facts “, nor does it diminish it. Reproduction and pair bonding is not a phenomenon solely linked to… Read more »

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Tell us Ms Farva, your age.

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Keith, you are missing one important fact about women. Men have a constant sex drive, not a compelling sex drive. Women, by contrast, have a variable sex drive and, potentially, a compelling sex drive. When women’s emotions spike, their sex drive becomes compelling. This is why women must be corralled if they are to stay exclusive. A man who can spike women’s emotions gets his choice of women. An example is a concert by a top band. The band plays and women’s emotions spike and girls go looking for the band members. The band members get their choice of women.… Read more »

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If you can spike women’s emotions, you too can have your choice of women. For sex in a STR. To keep a woman in a LTR requires different skills, including solid frame, confidence, and the ability to read women’s emotions.

And, also, the connection is very important. In any of cases, always have sex first, like Rollo says.

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Related to Wildside’s book recommendation:

http://nautil.us/issue/63/horizons/how-women-came-to-dominate-neuroendocrinology

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Are men adopting to the new sexual marketplace? Did they adapt when they conquered new lands through the world during the period of exploration (i. e. go ‘native’) or did they make it there own?? No, men should not adapt, we should be leading, building, and creating. However, being that men are not allowed to be men anymore without the express written consent of the hivemind that runs every bad useless “..ism” that exists in the West (see communism, socialism, feminism, etc..) the answer is no….not if they are real men and can’t change the current situation, then MGTOW is… Read more »

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“Did they adapt when they conquered new lands through the world during the period of exploration . . .”

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Any season of Survivor provides enough evidience.

Lol. The lesson from “Survivor” is: Women will live in grass huts with some men and won’t complain any more than they would in a McMansion. Your “dog logic” is borderline LARPing. It is a Fail.

Read more of this site. Use the Archives link and the Search window.

Start with “War Brides”. Get a pair of The Glasses, see clearly

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Related to Wildside’s book recommendation:

My tl;dr of that link is now to distrust neuroendochronology as a “science”. Because once again, female ingroup preference at work.

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@KFG. Thanks for the link, man. Very interesting. So, the author pretty much points out that neuro science has become gender biased and feminised. There also seems to be a lot of ‘bullying’ and man shaming going on in that field of research. I cited a book called The Female Brain a while back. It was wrote by a female Dr of Clinical Psychiatry who did 20 years of research into the subject. It details female behaviour from birth to menopause including women’s hypergamous sexual strategy and how the brain affects that behaviour. What’s interesting is that she explicitly states,… Read more »

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I haven’t cut and pasted in a while. But I feel the urge to now. I’m waiting for my pressure cooker to naturally release the pressure on my heirloom beans and Costco rotisserie chicken chili. And I just remembered that I forgot to pluck my latest October harvest of shiitake mushrooms at my farm yesterday. While I was done drying my latest October cash crop. This came up when discussing Deida’s The Way of the Superior Man. I had anger when beta. No longer… Because this, in LTR Game: Chapter 15 Stop Hoping for Your Woman to Get Easier A… Read more »

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I guess I am what some would call a “level 1 MGTOW”, or at least to some extent I am. I reject marriage and cohabitation, and that’s about it. Ironically, a big part of the reason for that is that my entire life experience tells me that this is the best way to enjoy healthy, fun, honest relationships with women. All my relationships have been all of those things – until we moved in together (or just split up). So I’m not walking away from women, I’m just walking away from unnecessary entanglement. In all likelihood, any relationship is going… Read more »

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Now That was clear, honest and without any buffers and misdirection/misunderstanding.

Thank you very much.

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“When I decided that I didn’t want to have children,”

Hoping to “win” the Darwin Award….

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Asd There’s nothing wrong with a man deciding he doesn’t want children because it’s not something he really wants to do. Imagine what things would be like if every single man was forced to have kids, regardless of how he felt about the whole thing. That would be a true clusterfuck and this place would become unlivable. Imo, that’s different than a guy saying ” I want kids, but I’ll never have them so that my wife and the state can take them away from me ” or ” I won’t have kids because feminist “. Not having kids via… Read more »

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Blax, no one is forcing anyone to have kids…but if someone chooses to “win” the Darwin Award, as I’ve said before, they will get shit from me. It’s the FI pressuring betas to not reproduce. The “overpopulation” shit test…which is a crock….men should do better… …as I’ve said before, a man needs to clean the cobwebs out of his brain before making serious choices about what to do with his life…I aim to shine light on cobwebs…which irritates the eyes…no one said that swallowing the Red Pill is easy… …if you know that you have bad genes and ought not… Read more »

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You funny asd….

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I don’t engage trolls…obviously, there is an imposter posting as me…

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Church Sunday is a personality

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@SJF. That is a good book. Deida gets some criticism from the more hardcore parts of the community (he’s purple pill etc) because his book talks alot about the spiritual side of sexual dynamics. But that chapter you quoted is an excellent understanding of ‘shit testing’.

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That scottish Daygamer has been in prison for 9 months whilst awaiting charges for ‘harassment’. (which sounds like approaching a hot 17 year old and trying to get her number from what I gather) Seems odd. I’d assume that’s longer than any actual sentence would be. But then read this this morning! https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7557947/Shy-awkward-student-19-faces-JAIL-sex-assault-conviction.html Potential 10 years for this teen for touching a girls arm? Kind of baffled. Is it that bad in the UK? I often see Field Reports from UK guys on reddit/seddit, and it seems they get much harsher, faster rejections, even in bars, than other posters. Rarely… Read more »

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I suspect the shitty “London Day Game” model has a lot to do with it…

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“…from the more hardcore parts of the community…”

@Wildside

I find that funny. Hardcore. Ego-investment.

There is an easily determined measure of success “in the community”…

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ROLLO

Housekeeping…

Have some sympathy for readers on phones… right now I have to scroll to the bottom of a few articles to reach new comments. takes forever. Consider clipping the articles with a “read more” link after a few para’s or moving new comments up on the sidebar above categories and blogroll. How many of the Blogroll are even active anymore?

Also from Field Reports you do not get new comments sidebar at all.

Let’s make this thing a bit more usable…

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@Wentworth. Female drinking culture is big over here. Along with prosthetic lips, big false eye lashes, fake tan and eye brows. What man cares about eye brows????? I have been told to fuck off many a time after just saying ‘Hi’. And some of those Fuck offs have been screamed. They are usually 6 – 7s who are unable to focus on anything other than Instagram. It is definitely an issue with girls in their party years, 22 – 25. Alcohol and being privelaged is a wonderful combination. However they do seem to have superpowers that prevent hyperthermia. Wearing nothing… Read more »

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Culture

[Blax – PS, moar evidence that nobody is going out to bars and clubs and all guys are home jerking off…]

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Mister Lauer…. The subject of his ‘rape” Whoa… the fuck? NOW you see why his wife was so disgusted with him… Wife At least she looked human at one point… Now don’t get me wrong, I detest Matt Lauer, for many many things… But this is interesting… Her quote on the night of her purported first anal sex encounter with Matty… ““It was non-consensual in the sense that I was too drunk to consent,” she reportedly tells Farrow in the book. “It was nonconsensual in that I said, multiple times, that I didn’t want to have anal sex.”” I came… Read more »

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well here is proof she went on 30 dates…

https://www.cosmopolitan.com/sex-love/a29327860/30-dates-one-weekend-cosmo-video-diaries/

with 29 pictures…

wait what’s this??? https://www.instagram.com/p/B3cmu2EJ0yM/

Ohhh… turns out she has a new book out now, about dating… how about that? What a crazy coincidence…

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“NOW you see why his wife was so disgusted with him”

Hmmm
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They both 5s tho…

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OMFG!!!!! LMAO!!!!!

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@Blax

They look alike too. Like “Photo time, quick retract extra limbs!”

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@Sharrukin In other words, even if the average man manages to be above average to get that average women, what he gets isn’t worth very much. And then he has to put everything on the table and bet that a woman who has been ditching or failing at relationships for the past ten years is going to make it work with him. The average man is programmed to happily be that walking ATM machine, “not see” that he isn’t a real pick for her even now that her market value is falling or has collapsed already, and “be happy” with… Read more »

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@Sentient

I came to your room and was too drunk to say no… so rape. also bunghole was closed. so rape.

Unfortunately, men are indifferent to the woes of other men. Therefore these rape allegations, which are akin in function and form to the accusation of being a bourgeois conspiring against the People that were levelled all the time against anyone in People’s Republic for the best part of the past century, are going to continue. Actually, the trend is going to grow.
All things do, when they come with rewards and without costs.

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@ronin It cannot be supposed that male Birds of Paradise or Peacocks, for instance, should take so much pains in erecting, spreading, and vibrating their beautiful plumes before the females for no purpose. We should remember the fact given on excellent authority in a former chapter, namely that several peahens, when debarred from an admired male, remained widows during a whole season rather than pair with another bird. Nevertheless I know of no fact in natural history more wonderful than that the female Argus pheasant should be able to appreciate the exquisite shading of the ball-and-socket ornaments and the elegant… Read more »

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@Palma. I’m always well dressed on a night out. Sports jacket. Shirt. Smart jeans… And a top hat. I have a good physique as well. I am over exaggerating about the severe reactions off women. But I have been told to fuck off a number of times. You know Northern girls, if they are having a bad night It’s funny when I turn around and my mate has his arms out emulating a plane crashing. When I go out I am just going out with mates and having a good time and not running game. I talk to any women… Read more »

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wtf did I just watch???

[youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ds1lp3ZB_RQ&w=612&h=348%5D

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wtf did I just watch???

Well, you know, those aren’t the “quality” women.

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Blax

Don’t worry, ADJ and his girls are going to Make Women Great Again.

I think you can figure out how that’s going to happen…

[Hint – many of his guys, including himself, are experienced cucks…]

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Don’t worry, ADJ and his girls are going to Make Women Great Again.

Hooking Up Smart 2?

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Soy Sentient

Any woman initiated with rape charge yet?

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@Palma – I would say it is an actual direct fuck off, then you are (probably) not going to get that girl. Not impossible, but hard – the best strategy for that is to turn to a girl nearby and build up social proof with other girl(s) until the girl who told you to fuck off starts giving proximity or IOIs again – but not guaranteed of course. There was an old Heartiste post about “How to get a No girl” or something where YaReally had great advice on this. PS – I’ve been told to “fuck off” exactly once.… Read more »

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@Palma – no. You’re talking about staying in the same conversation and talking to your target’s friend. That’s a classic MM approach (and line).

It’s a good option if the target’s rejection has left you room to stay in the conversation. If she’s screaming “fuck off” at you and she means it – aka a hard no – then it’s not really possible to do that.

You need to build social proof with OTHER girls and let target change her mind about you.

It’s not easy and it has a high failure rate – but it’s possible.

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Well and this is what happens when you over bang or attempt to Game the whole system and Broadcast such things
https://fox5sandiego.com/2019/10/10/san-diego-based-porn-site-owners-employees-charged-with-sex-trafficking/

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About Mr. Lauer,

wasn’t there a somewhat recent catchphrase used to legitimize sodomy, “keep the government out of the bedroom”? What happened to THAT?

If a woman voluntarily enters a men’s bedroom/home (or voluntarily allows the men to enter her bedroom/home), that’s the limit of the State’s (or anyone else, really) knowledge. After that, unless it’s in exceptional circumstances (hidden cameras, independent reliable witnesses), it is not possible to prove rape beyond a reasonable doubt. It has nothing to do with “letting rapists get away” it’s centuries-old legal protections that were hard won.

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Everyone assumes women are adapting just fine. Well if that were the case there wouldn’t be so many women popping anti-depressent pills, a lot more than before.

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Ranger “Reliable witness” … Don’t you know women posses a natural truth? Believe women! ” “Brooke Nevils is a credible young woman of good character. She came to NBC News an eager and guileless 20-something brimming with talent,” Curry tweeted — the day after it surfaced for the first time publicly that Nevils was Lauer’s accuser. “I believe she is telling the truth,” Curry added of Nevils, who told her story to Ronan Farrow in his explosive new tome, “Catch and Kill.”” So there… That’s settled then. And don’t try any of that “yes you came up to my room… Read more »

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@Jay Fink. Indeed Jay. I have had depression all my life. But I love my life now and I manage depression without medication. I don’t see it as a crutch. It pushes me to be better because I don’t want to spiral back into dark thoughts. Depression is in the back of my head whispering ‘You are not in control of your life, I am’. But I just sweep it aside and hit the gym. Depression pushed me to find the Red Pill. I am a big advocate of helping men with depression. Men are resilient and if you give… Read more »

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anti-SJW trigger warning From The Who’s “We Won’t Get Fooled Again” song (1971): Violence will be used to support lofty ideals and eliminate old morals and religion… “We’ll be fighting in the streets With our children at our feet And the morals that they worship will be gone And the men who spurred us on Sit in judgment of all wrong They decide and the shotgun sings the song I’ll tip my hat to the new constitution Take a bow for the new revolution…” Your SJW leaders will betray you and embrace corruption… “Meet the new boss…same as the old… Read more »

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Now we get to the heart of the affair… Learning opportunity. “I admit, I ended the affair poorly. I simply stopped communicating with her. Brooke continued to reach out. She admitted to NBC at the time she filed her complaint that she called me late at night while I was home with my family in an effort to rekindle the affair. But I attempted to go back to my life and pretend as if nothing had happened. I understand how that must have made her feel. However, being upset or having second thoughts does not give anyone the right to… Read more »

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Actually I’d love to see Matt sit down with Rollo on one if his video casts. He could go “Breaking Bad” or “Sherman McCoy” and become a powerful advocate.

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… Asd quoting The Who.😂

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Take an aerial fornication at an oscillating pastry.= Take a flying fuck at a rolling doughnut.

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@Palma – indeed. In my experience (certainly true the one time it happened to me) plus what I’ve seen elsewhere is that instant “fuck off” hard nos are rarely to do with you. It’s just her emotions erupting based on already having had a shit day or her grandfather dying or being fired or being approached by 20 weird betas in an hour or whatever – you’re just the final straw that causes the “fuck off”. So no, it won’t be just your approach or anything you did wrong that was so bad. of course you can and will be… Read more »

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Sentient,

The accuser is, obviously, not an independent reliable witness. I was thinking things like roommates or neighbors.

But I’m sure you (and everyone reading here) know that well.

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Sentient Ann Curry believes her. This is well settled now. “I thought Matt was an Alpha hotty when we were covering the Olympics so I went to his married-man room and let him do me and even do me in the butt although I didn’t like it much and I thought that real loud and maybe said something at the time but now it turns out he’s just another married guy who is sorta boring and reallly Beta so MeToo kinda like raype at least for the buttsex part”. Or some similar hamsterbation. And Team #BelieveWomen backs her up, so… Read more »

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Oh, yeah, forgot:
Her consent to go to Lauer’s room and get in bed may have been enthusiastic enough but her consent for buttsex not so much – failure to obtain Enthusiastic Consent.

Remember when Rollo pointed that out as a new standard? Are we there, yet? Or just getting close?

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Palma to Culum
Wondered how it had turned that nasty…

Not from a simple hello surely??

Likely goes beyond just the words he’s saying. How’s he saying them? He should check his subcommunications. How he is moving / standing / vocal tonality / facial expression / arm position etc.

When I find that everyone around me is being terse in speech, even short tempered, barking words out…it might just be they are reacting to me.

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Sentient Now we get to the heart of the affair… Learning opportunity. Interesting excerpt. Reveals a bit more than Lauer intended, too. He’s blue pill, he didn’t really think through his affair but just blundered into it like a high schooler. Obviously he made an impression on her, and failed to manage either his or her expectations. Simplest solution would have been to just not go there. Really. He’s probably realizing that the sex wasn’t really all that hot anyway, just hotter than what his wife is willing to provide. But….having gone and Done It, thinking that “hit ‘n run”… Read more »

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Those who can adapt, win.

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Lol @ Blaxie Wonder…

..you still doing concerts, Bro?

Blaxie and “Game”, lol

…is the dick just for pleasure, or does it have some other purpose…trick question, lol…

…if men don’t wanna reproduce, something about them is surely fucked up…and it’s probably their mind…but men should just do what they wanna do…without any introspection…because the FI and others don’t put shit in their brains…lol…

smh

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“Those who can adapt, win.”

“Those who can reproduce, win.”

fify

…because adapting doesn’t just mean fucking…

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Now we get to the heart of the affair… Learning opportunity.

The whole Lauer story is like something a good playwright adapted from reading all the TRM essays.

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Hi

Fuck Off

yareally had a really great discussion here:

http://yareallyarchive.com/2012/11/

See Direct/Indirect openers

Switch to more self amusement openers. “Are you local cause I can’t fuck locals”

Likewise if Fuck Off again self amusement as already suggested above

On Matt, Sentient nailed it. As soon as I saw it was regret, I knew Matt must have ruined the aftercare. Dan Savage has the campsite rule: “the older or more experienced partner has the responsibility to leave the younger or less experienced partner in at least as good a state (emotionally and physically) as before the relationship”

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@Lost Patrol

Lol!
Made for TV movie, but I can’t decide the channel: LIfetime, Oxygen or Oprah?

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“I can’t decide the channel”

Doesn’t matter, so long as it stars Meredith Baxter, just to wrap up a neat little package (she came out as gay to Laur).

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From Rollo’s Twitter feed, Palestinian men (high on the oppression grievance stack at the moment) become white if there’s a feminist Highlander in the room (Buchanan is a name from the Loch Lomand area, where people don’t get much more melanin deficient), so she can stay on top the oppression grievance stack:

https://westcooknews.com/stories/514469720-oak-park-trustee-susan-buchanan-you-stop-it-you-are-a-white-male-your-skin-is-light-enough#.XaBXqOPCFyc.twitter

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@cyfox

Simple. It’s preemptive alienation made to help cunts piss off men(not all types of men). It’s for dykes that don’t even have orgasms to troll their betabux. Or their Betacuddlebux.

Same shit new flavor.

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No one is adapting well. Things are going to fast, too chaotically.

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@cyfox

That link shows how far women need to go to assure their victimhood.

Consensual: yes! Orgasm: yes! Positive experience? No, don’t fe good about it, please support me through this troubling time.

Disgusting. Why give away any power to such easily malleable humans.

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Beers

The majority
of the time, a woman’s orgasm is an involuntary reaction to stimulus, physical or mental. Yes, sometimes a woman can have an orgasm ” against her will “, positively or negatively. It’s not necessarily about victimhood per se.

It’s possible to get a woman to orgasm without having physical contact withher, or without her physically touching herself. Understand that men and women have a different wiring schematic. Her ” orgasm ” bears no resemblance to yours

There’s a lot of truth to the saying that a woman’s biggest sex organ is between her ears.

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Some interesting aspects of adaptions and mental issues for men in 2019
https://www.mhanational.org/infographic-mental-health-men

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Ms. Chadwick just wants to know why she cums so hard when her asshole ex tied her up and spanked her.

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“Why give away any power to such easily malleable humans.”

…because women are just men with tits…not…

Say it with me, “I won’t expect women to behave like men. I won’t judge women for not behaving like men.”

(You are correct that we generally shouldn’t give power to women.)

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@Just Beers

As you saw, there’s a limit to how red the pill can be, even in the comments here.

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well, from what I know, being red pill is about understanding and not about angry feelz and hating da wimminz.

lol.

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Red Pill is for empowering yourself. You can do what you want with that. And that’s Red Pill too.

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@Yollo

“Red Pill is for empowering yourself.”

Nah, Red Pill is so that you can buffer your weaknesses and blame women for your problems.

/sarcasm off

(I’m not saying that men haven’t been seriously hurt by women. However, if those men had been Red Pill, which is their due diligence, that would not have happened because they would have been prudent and protected themselves. Blue Pill fantasies leave men foolish and vulnerable to women. Better to blame your Blue Pill past than to blame feral women for behaving like feral women.)

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Tardigrades rule. Here’s one reason why.
https://elifesciences.org/articles/47682

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@Blax Thanks for your response. Think what you wrote didn’t respond at all about what I posted. All good, though. In any case, your last point that a woman’s most powerful organ, sexual or otherwise, is between her ears, is one to keep in mind for all humans. @all Much of what we’ve been discussing on this thread and others throughout the rise of red-pill awareness is controlling the “narrative.” In very concrete terms, the post-coitus “narrative” has become anything one wishes it to be. Further, world history has become anything one wishes it to be. Only the trained, skilled,… Read more »

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Oh, Man. I just reflected on the last three comments by JB, AR, ASD and the the original post. And my experiences this past weekend. What Adaptation boils down to is how men face Adversity. It takes a lot of Mastery to deal with Adversity, but that is the lynchpin. How do you face adversity=What are You Going to Do About IT? The whole deal is here is how to respond to adversity. Or what Rollo refers to in the OP as Adaptation. It is a recurring theme. It happens big time in the medical field. Roll over and die… Read more »

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@SJF Thank you, for sharing your life in a way to help others move forward. My son just finished a section on Norse mythology at school. I’ve been reading him those tales, along with Greek and Egyptian ones, for years now. So much RP in there. Rereading the full arc of Heracles is eye-opening to say the least. Also the teachings of Chiron, the centaur teacher of Achilles and other Greek heroes, are not wasted time when reviewed. Back to your post, and an addendum to the ones I’ve posted throughout this thread, I feel that it is vital to… Read more »

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Adversity is personal.

Half of men never face true adversity, but they’re happy to imagine and create their own version.

There’s still more than one red pill.

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“I feel that it is vital to get other fellow RP men around oneself, and assiduously avoid situations which may eventually hamper your ability to do so.” It is not vital. It’s a bonus. It is helpful. I was able to do that with skill and hard work. But I’m somewhat unique. In retrospect I respected or utilized Law #10. It was and Natural and Authentic thing that I did over 35 years. It wasn’t hard for me. I look around and it is real hard for others. (To ditch or not allow energy vampires or losers to suck one’s… Read more »

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Men and adapting
https://www.dadikit.com/
Well…

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Males don’t need to engage with females. So have at it MGTOW’s. You have a ticket to ride your own ride. Everyone should ride their own ride the best that they can.

But, when the healthy masculine engages with the healthy feminine, it’s glorious. And fun.

And I’ll bite my tongue on summoning and David Greenberg (Deida).

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Sjf What I’m getting at is that adversity can be highly subjective. The tests individual men might go through will be different. I have a friend I went to see a couple of months ago in Maryland. I’ve spoken of him here in the past. He was spec ops in Afghanistan. He was engaged in a firefight, and was evacuated along with wounded via helicopter, when that copter came under ground fire and he was hit 6 times, the last shot hitting him in the neck. He survived and came home….and got married. When I went to see him, he… Read more »

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Good comment Blax. Yes, it’s all relative. But to all those guys Rollo calls AFC, Blue Pills. The guys you try to help, etc. All that adversity in my realm: The MRP realm. A lot of the adversity is self imposed. I’ve had a shit ton of adversity. I never actually let it get to me. But I’ve never been shot up in Afghanistan… The greatest crime is that most of their adversity really is in their head. But it’s still real. And there is a Bell Curve and there is a Pareto Principle. I see what you mean. And… Read more »

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@Palma

You’re up already for morning coffee?

Roused is fine (he could have died suddenly) and he came to our carefully curated and selected group of guys party. He’s a little worse for the wear. But will be OK.

Carefully curated and selected group of guys. Go figure.

“I’d say confidence comes from options..”

Confidence is a start. And then there is competence. Competence benefits by having a good toolbox of tools. Wouldn’t you agree? You have a huge toolbox yourself…

That toolbox is generated in Teddy Roosevelt’s metaphorical Arena throughout his life. Bit by bit, one reference experience, done well, throughout that time.

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I think the real issue with “man-up” that most older guys still just don’t get is that yes, you absolute can and should improve yourself (albeit, not to grab women in particular, IMO), but the dynamics have changed, largely due to tinder, bumbl, match, etc as well as society at large. As someone with an economics degree and T10 MBA, I think of the situation today as a purely typical supply demand curve in Economics 101. If Men are the Demand curve and attractive, reasonably sane women are the Supply curve, compared to 30, 40 years ago, the Demand curve… Read more »

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Ok, URGENT….if you haven’t seen this I think it’s on topic and probably deserves a post all on its own:

https://www.citizenfreepress.com/breaking/tv-networks-to-air-commercial-depicting-menstruating-men-and-boys/

Which ad executive in their right mind thought THIS was a good idea? It’s ads like this that are destroying men’s sexual identities as men.

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Hey dad…I think I got my period..

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Ignore ( outside of discussion perhaps).

” Ads” don’t destroy men. ” Actions ” do.

Stcks and stones and all that. Remember Gillette? Anybody talking about that anymore? Nope,.because it doesn’t matter over the long haul. There’s always another ” offense ” on the horizon.

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Magus

Excellent comment.

I agree with everything you said, except the false premise that you started with. Those of us past five decades do understand the dynamics and the market has changed. Markets always change. What a man does, with his own bottom up approach, in that market takes a proper mindset to deal with it. Some of us believe that mindset should be positive, and it’s not because we are old or un-seeing.

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Men aren’t supposed to be women, including periods or being reactive to television commercials and social media shit. The bigger issue is men becoming more like females mentally.

Men don’t have periods of lay eggs or give birth… None of that. Looking to the herd for understanding and approval is a bad look and is better left to feminine nature.

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@Blaximus That ad is totally on topic which if you take a moment to stop spamming us with your teenage reminiscences you’ll note is “Are Men Adapting to the New Sexual Marketplace?” Ads like these incept ideas into young men that this idea of “equality” goes into biology. The suggestion that if men had periods they’d be somehow more understanding of women is as absurd a notion as “if men wore heels then…” The Gillette ad isn’t forgotten. it alienated their target audience so badly they replaced it with ads about male archetypes like the “hero” ad. Ads are designed… Read more »

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