A consistent criticism I’ve received over the years is that the Red Pill is so negative. Why cant the Manosphere just sweeten up? Its truth is definable and self-evident, but why can’t Rollo adjust the ‘tone’? I’ve lived and written through several waves of newcomers to the ‘sphere and in each generation the same want for a ‘kinder, gentler’ Red Pill is always there. The idea is that if you just changed the delivery of the truth it would somehow make it more palatable to a wider audience.
Who’s It For?
I want reiterate here that it’s never been my goal to write for an audience. Whether it’s writing on this blog, my books or when I’m discussing things on various podcasts my only imperative is to convey the information I think is relevant to the topic of intersexual dynamics. My obligation is to picking apart and considering as close as I can get to an objective truth. And I don’t do this by way of some sense of duty to objectivism – it’s just the way that’s always seemed most efficient to me to come to a usable truth. It’s pragmatism on my part, not dedication.
Yes, I know, true objectivism is impossible for human beings. Yes, I also know that even biases we’re unaware of will subconsciously influence our rationality. Spare me the classicist intellectualism, I’ve been at this long enough to have considered all that. But the fact that objectivism is never perfect doesn’t mean we should strive for our best attempt at it – nor replace it with moralism.
I don’t write for an audience. I write about what I see going on around me and I connect dots. Writers today, of all medias, will tell you to “give your readers what they want” if you want to be successful. Writing about uncomfortable truths that rattle people’s cages is counterintuitive to the write-for-success mindset. If you want to sell books, if you want to monetize blogs, if you want to get more channel subscribers you gotta give the folks what they want, right? That’s how most churches work today; cater the message to the congregation if you want the tithe checks to stay consistent.
And always write to appeal to emotions too. People don’t enjoy thinking, but boy do they ever love feeling something – particularly in an age when female emotiveness is the order of the day.
When I began writing regularly it was in a forum environment. We hashed out many ideas and weren’t afraid to get ugly. It was a necessary part of the process. There was no pretense of appealing to an audience for money, traffic or readership. The sole focus was debating the truth about a dynamic. That debate was always a hot kitchen, but the results were something greater than the process.
As a result my essays carried over a lot of the heat from the SoSuave days kitchen. I wasn’t writing to impress readers or increase traffic to the blog it was just to document and codify the objective truths I came to. There is no monetization and the comment threads have never been moderated (besides spam and trolls). Almost 8 years later my charter is still about the same objective debate.
The drawback to this commitment to objective truth is that it rarely appeals to emotionalism. No, it’s not the ‘tone‘ or the feel of the information being related that’s so off-putting – it’s the information itself, and how it makes one feel, that determines whether it’s perceived as positive or negative.
Feels Before Reals
Most people who are still plugged into the proverbial Matrix are living in a world that prioritizes feels before reals. The purpose of consuming really anything is to judge it by how it makes us feel; and especially so in an era defined by the female experience. Emotion always comes before reason in women’s natural, unlearned, interpretive processes. This is also extended to men who’ve been conditioned to prioritize emotions before reason. And this is exacerbated by their need to be better feelers, better emoters, than those other ‘typical’ guys if they want an emotional woman to ever bear their children at some point.
Anything that prioritizes reason before emotion will always run the risk of being perceived as negative. Even if the sum of the information is positive, the fact that you had to come to the truth by way of reason rather than emotion will make it negative.
If you used your head instead of your heart to figure something out, in Girl-World, at best it’s bad form. At worst, you’re a negative pessimists or a cynic.
Usually those designations are reserved for the men who make a habit of using reason to the exception of emotion to relate an objective truth that’s unflattering to the feminine. Again, it’s the information, not the tone, that’s offensive to the emotions-first prioritization. To the Blue Pill mind, any strong idea that conflicts with this prioritization is an affront to the personal investments they’ve made in ideas that it challenges.
So, understand, I’m not a negative person by nature. I’m an artist. Few people know that my 2nd degree is a BFA. I draw, I paint, I play four instruments, I used to do Shakespearean stage acting – I’ve even done children’s theater.
I fully embrace the emotional as a necessary part of the human experience – Hell, half of Red Pill awareness is acknowledging and confronting emotions. I’m certainly not a cynic or a pessimist. Anyone thinking so usually hasn’t read my work. I’m very much an optimist when it comes to creating a New Hope for men in a Red Pill paradigm. I don’t just stop at clinical realism and leave men hanging. I don’t subscribe to the ennui of the “Black Pill” – I’m certainly not absolutist or a determinist.
However, I also have a commitment and an obligation to objective truth in everything I write. Trust me, there are times I wish I could use my wife and my marriage as a ‘proof of concept’ example of how a Red Pill aware guy can make a relationship work today. But the objective truth would make me look like a charlatan if I tried to convince a man that marriage was at all a good idea in its present state.
That’s tough for me. I have had to hold back from posting pictures of my beautiful wife and daughter to prove something to truly negative naysayers. Ladies, you want me to write something positive about women? I love my wife dearly. She’s been a net benefit to my life for all of 23 years now. My daughter is a model. She’s feminine to a fault and she’s smart and ambitious. I would die for her, gladly.
But I never use my personal life as an example in my work for their protection, but also because I don’t want to lead men astray by in anyway implying that what I have is possible for them. And I’ve had men tell me that, “I want what you have.”
But I don’t make value calls. I consider information, I try to interpret it, and I present it in such a way that it’s useful to men where they’re at. I want to give you tools to use to build your own life, not mine.
Truth & Hustle
Admire the Hustle. We read this a lot in the Manosphere among the guys who fancy themselves entrepreneurs. I think one reason critics think the Red Pill is negative is because all they see is the Hustle. The Hustle has a way of becoming the whole point of anything.
I’m an abortion doctor, but I make six figures and I’m the best at what I do. No one will out-work me. Admire the Hustle baby.
When the selling is more important the the product itself, then you have problems. When the truth is less important than the Hustle inevitably our truth becomes the Hustle. There needs to be a balance and that’s getting harder and harder to find now.
We’re at a moment in the Manosphere where the truth is starting to get lost in the Hustle. I’m accused of it, or I’m accused of associating with ‘too much Hustle’. Well-meaning colleagues with too much perception and not enough information are feeling that salesmen care more about the sale than the product.
I hear you.
Let me finish here by reiterating that my obligation to objective truth will always be my motivation for doing anything I put my name on. It always has been. However, I have worked for amazing companies who sold things that people loved and enjoyed only to watch them crumble and die because the sales team assumed control of the ‘product’. The selling became more important than what was being sold.
My books, my blog, my appearances, every aspect of The Rational Male is my art. I craft each essay. It’s what I care about most. I will never allow the truth to be compromised by the Hustle. The Hustle is important, particularly when it’s about disseminating the truth, but it is secondary to the truth – even to the exception of the Hustle. Sometimes the truth doesn’t sell.
This Is Important
We are rapidly entering a time when our ideas will be vilified. Very soon the objective, life-saving, praxeology that is the Red Pill will be used as a label, as a synonym, for negative ideologies that never had anything to do with the Red Pill. And people who are all about the Hustle will gladly abandon the truth they’re selling now if it means the public opinion of it would compromise their Hustle. It’ll be less about what we’re discussing than how influential and how many followers the person we’re discussing it with has.
Others, those who were appropriating the ‘brand’, will throw the Red Pill under the bus to save their own necks. The coming storm is going to test the resolve of people who are all about the Hustle and all about the Red Pill. I know where my obligations lie, they’ve never changed.
A bit off topic, but here is my recent post about the well-known Slovenian “philosopher” Slavoj Žižek. Long story short, he is another false prophet about the modern world- though perhaps less so than people such as Jordan Peterson.
Rollo, Reddit for me is low effort trolling/entertainment for the most part. But I can’t stand to see you smeared – and I will come to your defense if I find this happening. Below is my response to a comment on a post bashing Anthony Johnson and you pinned on the RP subreddit. Thoughts? “To put Rollo and Anthony Johnson in the same league is just idiotic. The VAST majority of Rollo’s high value content is available for free on his website. Some people prefer having the best essays in book form. So he profits from that. So what? What’s… Read more »
“I’m accused of it, or I’m accused of associating with ‘too much Hustle’. “
Ok. Well so what. How’s that triggering you….who’s getting in your head??
Look Rollo, if who’s-his-reddit-face has a beef he’d make it shown here. I’ll take them on alone or in packs. Those fags aren’t, so blecch on them. Internet game is fun as the tough IRL are redoubtable online. Truth is visible and lasting in both.
I hadn’t been keeping up with reddit….but this shit helps get rid of the bad blood…..
“”If you used your head instead of your heart to figure something out, in Girl-World, at best it’s bad form. At worst, you’re a negative pessimists or a cynic.”” There is an old game adage that says when dealing with women “think like a chick” but act like a man. The point being women are masters of game and in many cases are very Red Pill which they describe as “being practical”. So they’ll bang that hot guy on spring break but go back to their beta provider boyfriend because “it’s practical”. They’ll rationalize it somehow. On a side note… Read more »
@walawala – I’m a little worried about your buddy, does the woman have BPD? What you described in terms of the gaslighting and calculated abuse can be a symptom of a BPD. NPD as well but the cruelty is usually private with an NPD. Also, an NPD will be triggered but a BPD is random and evil. They get off on being scary and bullying and people walking on egg shells. Yet they can be so seductive. A man can get sucked into that world, there is a mental health name for it, I can’t remember. I think @Rollo went… Read more »
The Ton salutes you Rollo.
@Scrib Thanks for the note. Don’t be worried. I’ve told him for months now to pull out. He’s like an addict sneaking drinks behind his sponsor’s back. He sheepishly confesses he bought her an airline ticket to come out here to visit during a public holiday…he sheepishly confesses he proposes to her and she rejects him. When we go out sarging he blows it every single time. He cannot talk to women. I open for him and then he starts talking to them about their jobs, running—all the tingle-killing shit. He is your classic “Nice guy” with women—overly responsible. I… Read more »
This is a bit off topic, but I couldn’t resist!
I’ve always seen this issue as two camps pitted against eachother but there’s overlap. Emotional people can be reached when their emotional goals are revealed to be practical goals.
Offtopic before I get to the meat: what are authoritative resources for the technique of Game? There’s Neil Strauss, the Mystery Method, but what else? I’m trying to find resources for Game while avoiding outright charlatans. This site speaks more to the concepts behind and framework of Game, not actual techniques or execution. Now, that being said: It doesn’t matter what label something takes; if that thing runs counter to The Powers That Be and their propaganda, if it in any way contradicts conventional, widespread social opinions within the status quo, it’s going to get demonized. Doesn’t matter what it… Read more »
Glad to hear that Mr. Tomassi. The soap can never replace the praxeology that is TRP. Evermore it has become important to spot the snake oil salesman as they’ve seen that TRP is a source of income. Trying to give us “truth” without truth,purple instead of red.
Rollo is indeed negative – because the reality for Western men today is, as well.
@Rollo: although this is far from the most interesting post to read for me, I understand it is a very timely post clarifying your personal and “institutional” stance.
It is certainly something you can link back to whenever you want to re-assert your frame whenever criticism arises from within the manosphere or from outside.
And good picture as usual.
Rollo, Thank you for being who you are and continuing to provide valuable content throughout the years. I know it has helped many men in many different ways. Your content provides a basis for a lot of discussion with this audience on a daily basis. Your personal brand (lacking a better word here – you aren’t hustling anyone) has earned you a lot of respect and I can understand your frustration. Trying to look at it from the forest and not the trees, I figured I’d share my two cents. It’s for that reason above – that they know you… Read more »
Good post Rollo and fully agree you should not compromise on sharing the evidence and the bitter truth.
I would suggest the negativity comes from peoples interpretation of your writing, in particular the perception that there is no hope between men, women and relationships.
@Rollo. Another good read Rollo. I learnt a lot off you Rollo, about pragmatic writing. I used to write things like ‘From my experience…..’ Or ‘I believe…..’ But I have stopped taking this approach, with writing, because it is immediately showing bias and it plays right into the hands of the SJWs. When I write about the Red Pill from a pragmatic viewpoint, the blue pills still try to take what I say and twist it into another meaning, an attack on the feminine. But it is easy to just answer ‘Read what I wrote again and you will see… Read more »
Its hard when you are promoting the sale of these conferences more and more to make money, its pretty much a hustle and what all the panel members are doing.
I have all the books and have read every essay post but will not be attending any of the events.
Rollo, let me start by saying that I have a lot of respect for you. I consider you one of the godfathers of the manosphere and one of the most prolific authors on the topic. Your take up more space on our TRP sidebar than anybody else and I’m always excited to see new posts by you because I greatly enjoy your insights. TRP wouldn’t be what it is today without your contributions. So I hope that you don’t think that I’m simply shitting on you and the whole gang when I critique Dream. All of this aside, Dream’s behavior… Read more »
Youngmaster I’m trying to find resources for Game while avoiding outright charlatans. Yareally’s beginner toolbox, all free via searching etc. Am I some fuckin’ rainman magic PUA wizard over here, pin-point nailing people’s sticking points online from a few paragraphs they type in a field report? No, I’ve just studied the original PUA shit in-depth and I’m seeing angles that other people didn’t learn in their abbreviated version of pickup they studied so I can go “your problem is XYZ, it’s on Page 23 of this book or explained in this RSD video” and they’re like “woah, I never even… Read more »
I don’t find Rollo negative at all. In fact his calm, methodical approach is what gave him some initial credibility in my eyes, and then of course I saw how many previously puzzling ups and downs in my life made sense given the framework he provides. Rollo, I’m often frustrated by your methodical writing style, but the readers and clients I serve usually need some shiny object waved in their face before I can get to the meat, while your readers come here highly motivated to see what you have to say. So your way works for your audience, and… Read more »
@Youngmaster – Sentient has given you the exact reference you require. Mystery Method is the foundation. And keep in mind, he doesn’t teach “pick up”, he teaches seduction. You will find detailed, step by step instructions on how to calibrate properly with a woman and how to move from interest to attraction to comfort to arousal. One surprise for you. Getting laid as a “lover type” is much more about logistics than I ever realized. It’s also not a “mystery” in that if you base your efforts in Mystery’s concepts, you will always know what’s going on. It’s also fun… Read more »
Fuck that guy,his little telemarketers are trying to act the therapist.
He promises one thing and never comes through. A man is as good as his word….
The basic hustler is even hustling the man he’s promoting.
Some times these slicksters need to starve to learn the value of what they are taking.
No way you give me something free then ask for my credit card number to get it and tell me I have to cancel in a certain way then act as if you are doing me a favor.
“Its hard when you are promoting the sale of these conferences more and more to make money”
That’s not my sense of things since Rollo has startes to be a leader. I think there is more concern with making a statement than making money. Pushing the ideas.
It’s growing and gaining critical mass.
Rollo’s tweeter is growing every month. Now north of 42k followers. I predict he will be banned (not shadow banned he’s already there) when he hits 50k.
@Youngmaster A bit too late to the PUA scene. RSD is finished with PUA. sedfast (the #1 PUA forum) is shutting down their forum at the end of the month. YaReally, the best PUA to ever post on manosphere blogs (Chateau Heartiste and here on The Rational Male), is gone. Mystery Method is outdated. As the only guy here who posts lay reports (I’ll add one to the Field Reports section after this post), I’ll give you the best resources to get you to master level. So that once you get this handled you can move on to other interests.… Read more »
There was a term for it about fifteen years ago: logocentrism.
“As the only guy here who posts lay reports”
I’m interested in your opinion why MM is outdated and why you believe your lay reports give you esteem beyond anyone else. Why is that so?
So many guys are trying to sell courses, consulting, and programs, and seem focused on the hustle over the content. Some guys start free then get to the hustle when they realize they can profit; I used to read MMSL many years ago before it got commercialized and female approved, that turned me off completely Rollo is an exception for having all of his content free or almost free (the books), and for giving his time for free (sosauve) The 21convention is pay to play, I get that some people would think that this makes it a sell out or… Read more »
@redpillrabbi. I totally agree. I am going to Poland this year, I like them Central\Eastern European women. I would love to really go to 21, while in Poland, but I need to put my money elsewhere.
I think it will be an excellant experience for any man who attends.
@eh There are still some good concepts in the original 2007 MM text that are applicable today. but there are also some bad. What the guys I recommended have done is taken the good from Mystery Method (preselection, lock in, group theory) and improved upon on it (the way you Demonstrate Higher Value…not via telling cringy made up “hey so check this out” stories) and added some of their own (opening with sexual state while matching her current state – Gunwitch (Mystery Method was against girls sensing your sexual agenda from the open), sex talk – Teevster (Mystery was against… Read more »
“Right…how would you put on a convention for free?”
When I had a brick & mortar:
Them: You must have money, you own your own business.
Me: My own business? I work for the landlord, the utility company, the insurance company, the telecom company, the state and the feds. If I’m lucky they let me keep a little something around Christmas time. When I’m not lucky I end up owing them.
But hey, it’s not all bad. At least I get to choose whichever 100 hours a week I want to work.
Youngmaster Heed this… J: “YaReally, the best PUA to ever post on manosphere blogs” Yareally: “Am I some fuckin’ rainman magic PUA wizard over here, pin-point nailing people’s sticking points online from a few paragraphs they type in a field report? No, I’ve just studied the original PUA shit in-depth and I’m seeing angles that other people didn’t learn in their abbreviated version of pickup they studied… If a guy wanted to REALLY nerd out hardcore and get an extremely thorough understanding of this shit, like the type of understanding that’s going to take a couple years to digest and… Read more »
Sentient linked to the MM book yesterday so I decided why not read it and maybe learn something? My response is that he’s got some solid suggestions on body language, tone, and how you confidently carry yourself in a public space. I don’t club but I can see some day-game applications. I’m still skeptical that groups of people are happy to have some stranger barge in, sit down and start babbling about this or that, but as I said I don’t hang out in clubs, so maybe that’s how it goes. And much of his suggested dialogue is eye-rolling imbecilic… Read more »
j, I asked as there’s much inauthentic about your take on the world and here’s why, for one…. “MM due to the rapid changes in the environment (post-tinder “eat, pray, love” open hypergamy culture that really started to take hold right around 2013-14).” Question: How was 2013-14 a watershed moment in intersexual dynamics? Answer: It wasn’t. You were then just pulling your life out of incel wasteland, I suppose, so you believe all that is relevant to the conversation started then. It’s not a big mystery that people by nature act as world history began at their birth. It’s a… Read more »
@eh “Question: How was 2013-14 a watershed moment in intersexual dynamics?” That was around the time the convenience of hookup apps started to gain power. Tinder was 2012. Bumble came two years later. Snapchat and Instagram were developed in 2010 and 11 respectively, but didn’t gain mainstream popularity until around 2013. The effects these apps have had on society today have been discussed endlessly by folks smarter than me but some of the obvious ones…. clubs being emptier compared to the < 2011 (It used to be that Friday and Saturday were the busiest days. Now it’s just Saturday. (more… Read more »
Eh Lol. @J is alright. I don’t seriously doubt any of his Fr’s because, as I’ve been saying here for years and years, women will fuck. have been fucking, and will continue to do so. The disconnect is with young guys that were baffled initially by the mechanics and wherefores of how to get a woman/girl to actually touch their pee-pee. Nothing about ” sex ” has really changed. Pua isn’t teaching ” seduction ” in any really meaningful way post MM, but as @J will tell you, it’s not about seduction, it’s about pulling as fast as humanly possible.… Read more »
Outdated Mystery Method concepts: Peacocking Don’t go out dressing like this if you’re trying to give yourself the best odds of getting laid in 2019: http://www.thepickupdiary.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/mystery-and-style-peacocking.jpg dress closer to this: 7 Hour Rule Sentient talks about pulling “solid and consistent.” All the best seducers I know, pull girls in less time than 7 hours consistently. Freeze out/LMR you don’t have to deal with it, if you prevent it in the first place. Bacchus (master seducer from my group who doesn’t follow Mystery Method): “Take ASD for example, if you can handle it effectively, with prevention strategies like sexual framing [NOT… Read more »
“The rise of shamelessness of behaving slutty out in the open, due to it being reframed as empowering vs something one should be ashamed about. I don’t think we’d see posts like this out in public for everyone to see, prior to 2011: https://twitter.com/aliciamaaarie/status/1118523094384046082” J, if you’d been around longer, you’d get that there’s only been a slight increase in ” slutty behavior ” by a small percentage of females. What’s different, and you’re making my point, is the exposure/internet/social media. Everybody puts everything on the internet, so it seems to the more insulated among us, that shit’s gone crazy.… Read more »
…. my point being, you weren’t around for any of this and there was no social media. Imagine if there were? Holy shit. Now, there’s just millions of individuals posting up their stuff. Millions from all over the planet. Seems impressive, until you ” math “.
Lol @ Cher
@blax “Once YaReally and I did an experiment. He told me to go out in the field and see if I could get chicks to put down their phones”. stupid experiment. don’t know why Ya told you to do that lol. “I also posed a question to all of them concerning if they’d abandon social media for ” the right man” yes because we should all believe what women say….. “I basically do the exact same shit that I have done since 1974” Because you internalized game at a young age….you didn’t need PUA/MM/RSD blah blah…..(((I)) DID because I was… Read more »
Lol, I love ya @J, ” where do you see me making excuses?” … Roll that beautiful excuse footage – ” That was around the time the convenience of hookup apps started to gain power. Tinder was 2012. Bumble came two years later. Snapchat and Instagram were developed in 2010 and 11 respectively, but didn’t gain mainstream popularity until around 2013. The effects these apps have had on society today have been discussed endlessly by folks smarter than me but some of the obvious ones…. clubs being emptier compared to the < 2011 (It used to be that Friday and… Read more »
The YaReally thing, I think I was challenging his assertion that it was so hard to talk to a chick when she’s looking at 10,000 orbiters on her phone or some such thing. I challenged that assertion a dozen times, but to his (dis)credit, Ya never relinquished or rethought what he was putting out as ironclad facts.
@blax “What’s different, and you’re making my point, is the exposure/internet/social media”. That’s what I’m saying! I said it’s out in the open and nobody gives a fuck. because internet culture said its cool now! I didn’t say girls never behaved slutty prior to the birth of Tinder/Snapchat/Bumble. Just that, that shit was really low key, because that was something a girl was taught by society/parents to be ashamed about. Being a slut = bad. Now being a slut = good. So nothing to feel shameful about. Lay it all out there on the internet for the world to see,… Read more »
“….he’s also the guy that’s failed to bang a 40 year old woman with 2 kids. in two separate occasions. Read his latest FR.” He’s also a guy that has 5 wonderful children and bangs his wife all the time. And has a life as a businessman. And has abundance. And you are faulting his advice and him, for what? Let me ask J. a question. Why did YaReally disappear? Vanishing from everywhere? And let me ask another question. Why are you here on TRM and it’s focus on Red Pill? To tell a different narrative. Or to add to… Read more »
@blax “… Roll that beautiful excuse footage –” Those are not excuses….those are simply things that did not exist in 2007 at the time, Erik Von Markovik published his magnum opus. There was no Tinder/Bumble/Instagram/Snapchat (might as well add TikTok). This is not an excuse. This is a fact. Go check the wikipedia page of these apps if you don’t believe me. Clubs were packed Fridays and Saturdays. Because everybody who wanted to get laid in 2007 by someone new had to go out…there were no convenient hookup apps where you could stay home. Don’t know how cheap travel was… Read more »
Rollo, Timely post, I was starting to wonder how far down the rabbit hole you were going to go on the hustle side of the red pill. The conventions are good, 2017 was probably the zenith. Don’t know if you have spotted them but there are clearly issues with Anthony Johnson, if you extend his claimed “Objectivist” viewpoint it’s just laying the moral framework in his head for justifying pretty much anything he does, completely amoral, yet talks about the importance of the Patriarchy, it just doesn’t jibe, neither does his Medusa story, like attracts like. Most of the crew… Read more »
The attention on the phone is a buffer from the guy to justify the fact the he is just not high value enough to that particular woman to attract her attention. Women will put the phone down if you are high value enough, how high must I jump you ask ? to 10% of men to her
The answer as always is more work, pursue excellence in your domains and they will naturally come, genuine desire gentlemen.
Until the End
Yareally was a clown, the guy worshiped RSD Tyler…I remember when Tyler posted on here and Rollo absolutely destroyed him lol
I don’t believe Ya was a clown. I had a ton of ( internet) respect for him, and he was immensely helpful to hundreds of guys ( dozens?) Over the years. Ya was a true believer in his marrow. The constant posting of RSD crap was tiresome though, and to this day I have no idea what YaReally actually thought because he only echoed what other pua’s said. That was almost as frustrating as the constant exaggeration, which is still present here from time to time ( social media, jetting off to hang- lol, most bitches/people are broke as fuck…).… Read more »
Blax I’m not sure at this point if J is simply ignorant or willfully disingenuous… What the guys I recommended have done is taken the good from Mystery Method (preselection, lock in, group theory) and improved upon on it (the way you Demonstrate Higher Value…not via telling cringy made up “hey so check this out” stories) and added some of their own (opening with sexual state while matching her current state – Gunwitch (Mystery Method was against girls sensing your sexual agenda from the open), sex talk – Teevster (Mystery was against talking about sex during the seduction and never… Read more »
As to this What the guys I recommended have done is taken the good from Mystery Method (preselection, lock in, group theory) and improved upon on it (the way you Demonstrate Higher Value…not via telling cringy made up “hey so check this out” stories) and added some of their own (opening with sexual state while matching her current state – Gunwitch (Mystery Method was against girls sensing your sexual agenda from the open), sex talk – Teevster (Mystery was against talking about sex during the seduction and never did in his interactions. but we’ve found, doing so, moves the seduction… Read more »
Rollo, rather than emphasizing your commitment to Truth, since postmodernism is still dominant, you might emphasize instead that you are only analyzing what your eyes see.
@Sentient “All of these guys have been around since well before 2013… lol” so? “Gunwitch? Uh.. been on boards since before The Game (in which he was mentioned)… His method? Circa 2004…” “[btw Gunwitch is 5’7″ and looks like this” when Gunwitch was running around with his screening method in the early 2000s he looked like this: The method he uses today (and the one I’m referring to) is Seduction MMA. Which came out in 2013. Here is an overview of his method: https://nextasf.com/forum/nextasf/general/12653-can-someone-explain-in-detail-how-attraction-is-created?p=189832#post189832 “but I shudder at the idea of having her on the other side of the table… Read more »
What will Harry Potter do next?
J Just more of the same “distinction without a difference” stuff… repackaging core early PUA methods to generate new income streams… Also attraction DOESN’T EXIST. At a neurological level, there is no such quantifiable thing as attraction. We will get in to the hard science of this later. Again there is no neurological phantom called attraction. There is decision making processes to either fuck, or not fuck you, that is based on 3 components: Sexual arousal. Social frame. & Emotional stimulation lol . This is different from Attraction – Comfort – Seduction huh? Errr…. emotional stimulation… hmmm smells like “attraction”… Read more »
😂 still cadillacs.
( And all painstaking to work on/dismantle)
This year with tail fins from a V2 and a dozen Ventiports.
Next year, tits on a squid (a useless attracter added to an otherwise repulsive product. Meme courtesy of George Lucas).
My doods…. Fuck all that BS scripted routines and ghey DHV stories… The community has discovered…. wait for it… GAMBITS! http://witch60.com/gambits/ Audio 1 Intro What you’ll be learning and its structure. This material only includes what worked in extensive testing. All short and fast, and quick to the new material…. Audio 2 Hooks: ( Time 1:06.00) Hook maker structure. Make your own hooks easily. Extra hooks techniques. New hook stuff since my Seduction MMA. hook to the move/venue shift extras. New post hook stuff since Seduction MMA. Then you learn specific verbal topics and wordings, as I act them out… Read more »
Driving around in some crappy old piece of shit (last year’s top model) with Venitports? Don’t do it! You’ll never get laid that way. Today’s kewl swingers won’t be seen without . . . Portivents!
Fooey on portivents or ventiports. Get a convertible in a secure, masculine color.
foxguy I was starting to wonder how far down the rabbit hole you were going to go on the hustle side of the red pill. Not everyone lives on the web. There’s plenty of men who don’t know what they don’t know, and events such as 21 are a way to reach them. It’s not necessarily a hustle, even if there are speakers who obviously are hustling. Like it or not, there is something of a Red Queen style race going on. The SJW’s at Big Tech are shutting down dissent as fast as they can, while dissenters are running… Read more »
Anyone who self-describes as a “public intellectual” in a serious, non-ironic fashion should be automatically suspected of being a charlatan.
Good to see that you are still with us.
Lemme try image again…different pic…
Objective truth should be everyone’s goal, and I agree that an exclusive focus on the positive distorts it. Ignoring the negative doesn’t alter reality; but does limit your ability to understand it, and so too your ability to successfully deal with it. Emotions are real, and need to be accounted for and understood – but they are not tools of cognition. At best your emotions can guide you towards a possible truth, which you can then establish properly by rational means. At worst however, and increasingly in our culture of ‘feels before reals’, they can push you away from or… Read more »
“,,,,,,the fact that you had to come to the truth by way of reason rather than emotion will make it negative. If you used your head instead of your heart to figure something out, in Girl-World, at best it’s bad form. At worst, you’re a negative pessimists or a cynic.” “Why are you such a geek?’ “you are a nerd” “All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy” “Yea…but that’s so cold” “Do you ever have any fun?” “Girls just wanna have fun,,,,” “Pappa don’t preach” “OMG! OMG! OMG!… like you’re such a dork” “Those tech guys….” “That… Read more »
As far as Ayn Rand goes, Atlas Shrugged is not exactly on my bucket list but The Fountainhead was a page-turner with a potent crab-bucket message — the man with a vision will have to fight off the mediocrities around him to see it alll through. As far as Objectivism itself, I once did a bio search on an interesting but obscure actress in an old 5-0 episode. Seems she was an Objectivist disciple who left her husband to run off with one of the group’s top gurus. Together they were quite comfy and affluent, until she drowned in their… Read more »
“Just fill in the blank with whatever shallow description most loosely associates “a guy” or “guys” with whatever male is being gossiped about and simultaneously disassociated from humanness. No man is real. Men collectively are an inanimate pool from which to pick a mark for security or seed. It is the ultimate in objectification by a process devoid of objectivity. An oxymoron of sorts, a paradox, an irony that appears on the surface as an ambiguity. Her mind is her theater and she is the audience. The audience craves emotionality. The audience comes to the theater to experience emotionality. The… Read more »
@Sentient There is so much free material online that “products” and gimmicks like this aren’t necessary. That said, I did buy Krauser’s books: Day Game Mastery and his second which I found to be hugely helpful because they were a step-by-step break down. What’s interesting is that the basic structures work and deviating from them can destroy your pick up if you’re not experienced enough to know what you’re doing. Now I’ve ploughed through at least 120 girls in the last 7 years and that has made me much more comfortable around women to understand the structure without having to… Read more »
Wala Sniffle…you brought a tear to my eye. The left one to be precise. “Now I’ve ploughed through at least 120 girls in the last 7 years and that has made me much more comfortable around women to understand the structure without having to resort to routines. In that sense I’m more “natural” but in fact it isn’t “natural” at all, I had to learn it.” A truth stronger than universal gravity. There’s no such thing as ” a natural “. As I’ve said before, all men are born the same, shitting and crying. Everything has to be learned, or… Read more »
” . . . all men are born the same, shitting and crying.”
You have to learn to shit and cry. The reflexes are innate, but you don’t know how to work them until you’ve had a few goes (as it were).
You not only had to learn to wiggle your fingers, but you had to learn that they were your fingers to wiggle in the first place. So much is learned that it can give the illusion of being born a blank slate.
“Everything has to be learned” No shit. @youngmaster asked for game resources. I pointed him to the best most up to date shit (don’t want him reading outdated shit….like how many lay reports are currently in the field reports section by mystery method practioners?) to learn to become a natural. Saul Tee (author of one of the resources I shared) on becoming a natural: “what feels natural’ will actually change over time as you become more technically skilled socially and aware of the underlying dynamics governing the direction of an interaction. What your intuition tells you is natural will change… Read more »
Hey, I’m sorry. But aren’t you a tall white DJ, who bangs mostly Chinese girls? lol
Just thought the studio audience should know that before they go rushing out to buy Krauser’s books.
“what feels natural’ will actually change over time as you become more technically skilled socially and aware of the underlying dynamics governing the direction of an interaction. What your intuition tells you is natural will change to become the highest probability behavior of achieving a certain outcome. Then your ‘natural’ and ‘honest’ behavior also becomes the most optimal one when it comes to attracting women. Without having to think much about it or exerting any mental energy” Lol, no no no no no nooooo. it ain’t technical. That’s what stands in your way. Ever train in any kind of physical… Read more »
let’s try it this way then –
This Is Important
Truth & Hustle
(Life and Balance of work and play..)
So I haven’t gone anywhere, I’m still digesting shit tons of game content. I’ve been following the thread in case anyone was wondering. I’m an intelligent guy who is cautious, but thinks critically and is confident enough (my major problem is really communicating value, and also being a lone wolf; I find most people extremely dull, so I don’t develop social circles much). That aside, I understand there’s an argument going on here, and as a newcomer I obviously can’t weigh in, nor can any one person definitively tell me the other person is wrong, because I’m naturally skeptical. However,… Read more »
EDITOR’S NOTE: This could have been my first TRM Field Report, but due to the spotty results I’ll just cram it in here near the rest of the ongoing Mystery Method discussion… Having just read the Mystery Meat book thanks to Sentient’s link, I quickly saw a chance to put the wheels in motion — in one of my small town’s hottest venues, the funeral home parking lot. Out for a stroll with my friendly, chick-magnet dog, I spied four non-descript ladies standing near their car and admiring me from afar. OK, admiring the dog. Observing the MM’s crucial Three-Second… Read more »
I was a 42-year-old with two children and I had already been divorced twice.
I just stopped reading there…
Wala heh… let’s be clear if you didn’t follow the “witch60” link, that was from the touted “Gunwitch”, as an ironic post… NOT an endorsement… lol OBIT three of the gals willingly began bantering with me and playing with the dog Come on man, that was A2, you should know that now!!! Need to reread chapter 7 on A3… +1 on rocking out with a peacock though… Baller move. Youngmaster – Great you seem intelligent and thoughtful. go forward and prosper IN THE FIELD. Take the sources and advice and go test them. Then report those results for breakdowns and… Read more »
@ j Cool post bro…
But K goes in front of the j
Youngmaster – Start with a little bio, how old, where you live generally, race etc. and experience with women to get better advice. On being a lone wolf… Do NOT sweat this, especially starting out. Unless you have the fortune of hooking up with a seasoned guy who ALSO understand game in detail [crucial – you do not want “Just be confident bro!” or “wear that red shirt man!” advice], you are better off on your own. You get to test YOUR skill and YOUR ideas. Most wings straight up suck. They aren’t real wings even, they are lonely unsure… Read more »
“Take the sources and advice and go test them. Then report those results for breakdowns and fine tuning”
“But the objective truth would make me look like a charlatan if I tried to convince a man that marriage was at all a good idea in its present state.” this is a core problem that must be confronted before further growth is possible “do as i say, not as i do” is no longer the end of the conversation “Don’t get married” is bs and disregards the intrinsic reward systems of lots and lots of men it must become, “if in your clear headed deliberation you desire to take a bride, here is how to make sure you give… Read more »
“because my frame is stronger than the state’s when it comes to one or two or three individual females . . .
i cannot beat feminism”
Feminism acts as free roaming agent of the state. Brad Pitt was investigated for child abuse based on an anonymous phone call, presumably by an airport worker. You can’t game people you don’t even know exist.
See also Eh Intellect’s bar incident leading to a DUI, promulgated by complete strangers.
Returning to Rollo’s OP
One of the founders of Facebook believes it is too big and should be broken up.
Certainly it is easier to deplatform someone over hurt feelze when one company controls the Momworld of Facebook and the younger world of Instagram and Whatsapp, for example.
If such a breakup occurs it won’t be soon.
if men want what another man has
they had better be willing to risk everything that man has risked
most are not
One of the founders of Facebook believes it is too big and should be broken up.
j, You question the veracity of my experiences. That’s ok. Question for you: Why? What do I gain from deceit? What you gain here is clear: Your frame and values are eccentric, or off-center, from your frame. Your appearance of flawless success with women, your overwrought science-y approach to sex, (something IMO needs little explanation, generally) are tells of weakness. Weak men are defensive, recriminating, demand respect and recognition. Generally these men aren’t successful with women in any capacity. Weak here, weak everywhere. The above is subcommunicated in your posts. That’s why I question your veracity. kfg…I could have handled… Read more »
Since we’ve touched on Mystery and his method… for those with continued interest… Check out this series of videos, there are three. I’ll post the others on the FR page [before they get memory-holed like much pua stuff these days].
Worth a watch to have Mystery convey his personality along with some nuances and big picture stuff…
[starts about 13 minutes in]
The goal is NOT to copy him or what he is saying – the goal is to understand the structure, the game, the environment and adapt your personality to that…
“kfg…I could have handled that better, I admit.”
Yes, and at the very least have avoided the DUI, but the incident is still illustrative.
Sentient: I’m 31, just turned it last month. 6 foot 1.5 inch tall white man living in Northeast USA. I’m well spoken, articulate most of the time, have no trouble speaking to people including girls (although it depends heavily on my mood and the scene), I’m an intelligent guy with plenty of cynicism and skepticism. I have quick wit, and I know how to morph offhanded remarks about whatever into a joke about sexual innuendo, which I do all the time at parties (again, this ability varies depending on various circumstances). I’ve had some success on my own, brought back… Read more »
“Feminism acts as free roaming agent of the state. Brad Pitt was investigated for child abuse based on an anonymous phone call, presumably by an airport worker. You can’t game people you don’t even know exist.” the reaper is a free roaming agent as well and once a man has faced both, neither is scary in the sense that neither can torture a man forever what is really to be feared in marriage? cuckolding – cheap dna test kits solve this from a fact perspective. dealing with the state is another issue, but a man can know whether a kid… Read more »
Youngmaster Good, good, you should do well. What do you do for work? I always held myself above random girls, especially if they were hot; this was an instinct I simply had since I was a kid. They’re always getting compliments and getting chased, and I hated doing either of those. Same here… Never wanted to give away the power… a shorthand code for Game – Never do what is expected, when it is expected. That will cover a lot of gaps… You can DHV without IG etc. I always game solo, on business trips, and I’m married. So I… Read more »
Youngmaster I’ve come to the conclusion most girls don’t genuinely think about anything, they just exist and float through life, they rarely have deep internal argumentation about anything beyond rationalizing their instincts. Yeah don’t think you are going to have deep meaningful convos… You might, be pleasantly surprised when you do. But girls are for sex and other pleasures… Have guy friends for these kind of convos. Don’t ask a cat to retrieve a ball… Point being, I need some way to ENGAGE them, and I need to properly communicate my interest in them and pick up on their IOIs,… Read more »
Sentient: right now work is a problem. I was working in my state’s capital earlier this year and got into a car accident, and right now my main concern is replacing the car and obtaining a job/career that doesn’t pay shit. I have a dual BS in biology and environmental science, but due to various life circumstances my CV isn’t the greatest. Therefore, DHV would be a large hurdle for anything other than outright deception, and so getting right out their and working on game and calibration is going to need to sit on the back burner for the time… Read more »
“what is really to be feared in marriage?”
I can dodge folly without backing into fear, if I know what the ground rules are.