The 21 Conventions – 2019

Once again it’s time to announce the dates and locations of this year’s 21 Conventions. By now I’m sure most of my readers know I’ve been getting myself ‘out there‘ a lot more and this year is no exception. The one event I’m doing with any regularity is the 21 Conventions (yes, there are others in the offing). I think I’ve been somewhat instrumental in helping Anthony Johnson reform these events into the Red Pill Summits they’ve become. There’s really nothing that comes close to the scale and comprehensiveness of these gatherings and I only expect them to grow into something the mainstream will soon be unable to ignore. The 21 Conventions have gone from what I can only refer to as Purple Pill to being the only real Red Pill event in existence.

For the last couple of years I’ve been a silent partner in these events. Many of the speakers are men I’ve had some personal connection with over the years. Most of them my readers will be familiar with from my mornings on The Red Man Group, but it’s been my mission to see that the roster of men speaking at these events are on message with respect to intersexual dynamics. While the upcoming Patriarch’s Edition is focused more on family, fathers and leadership, the two other conventions slated this year have something for every man – even the guy who’s newly unplugged.

Unlike certain Men’s Rights conferences (primarily organized by women), the 21 Convention is for men, by men.

The conventions are about men, not just “men’s issues” or a lot of top-down awareness raising. They are also not fluffy, “feel good” pep rallies with more hype than information. You get real content, not a lot of hype.

My involvement in this convention has had only one goal; to give men the nuts & bolts, actionable information they need to conceive and develop the lives they want to lead. Lives that align with the truths that Red Pill awareness represents. If you’re looking to get laid, we’ve got that covered. If you’re trying to resolve a sexless marriage, we’ve got you covered. If you’re looking to become the best version of yourself, you want to be a Red Pill father, you want to fight feminism? This convention is the only event that delivers ‘real content’ based on the difficult truths men need to acknowledge in their lives.

I get it. That seems like a hard sell. But there needs to be some kind of gathering of minds in this sphere. I will continue to put my name on this event until it ceases to be about the charter or shifts to a different message. My constant concern is ensuring that this convention stays committed to objectivism. Critics want to claim that the Red Pill is only a cult. It’s only interested in “ideological purity”. This is a false narrative. The Red Pill is obligated to objective truth. It only seems ‘culty’ when that truth clashes with the ego-invested beliefs of ideologues.

The 21 Conventions serve as a TED Talk for the Manosphere. At no other venue will you hear these topics and pro-masculine information discussed. We live in an era where free speech is limited by platform and the ideological bent of its owners. It’s long past time we developed a forum where Red Pill awareness can be discussed free from censorship – this is it. The only way to test the strengths of an idea is in the crucible of open debate. And that debate requires an open marketplace of ideas in which to test them.

POLAND – July 11-18, 2019

21 Convention – Poland

OI’m pleased to announce my first European talk will be delivered this year in Warsaw, Poland. I can’t stress enough how this venue is the ideal location for a Red Pill discourse. Given the sociopolitical state of most of Europe today, it’s probably the only country that would welcome honest perspectives on gender, intersexual dynamics, conventional masculinity and men’s personal development.

Although I’ve been to several European countries, Poland will be a first for me. This will be a personal pleasure for me also as I also have a Polish translation of The Rational Malethat I’m very proud of. I’ve been working with my Polish team for 2 years now and it will be an honor to finally meet up with these guys.

If you live in Europe and haven’t had the opportunity to come to the U.S. conventions this will be your event. At the time of this posting the registration is already moving rapidly, so please don’t hesitate to register now. Please use my affiliate link in the banner above to register. This is how I get credited for the attendees.

At the time of this posting the speaker’s list for Poland is:

  • Rollo Tomassi
  • Anthony Johnson
  • Andrew ‘Cobra’ Tate
  • Jack Donovan
  • Richard Grannon
  • Nick Krauser
  • George Bruno
  • Socrates
  • Ivan Throne
  • Jack Murphy
  • Alexander AJ Cortes
  • Kyle Trouble
  • Steve Williams
  • Johnathan (MLD)

Thats the confirmed list and it’s likely to expand before the event

ORLANDO – October 24-27

The 21 Convention Orlando

This is the main U.S. event. In 2018 the convention sold out and attendance more than doubled from 2017. 2019 will see this event is even larger. Anthony has also added independent workshops by individual speakers on a variety of relevant topics for attendees to the main conference talks. Check the 21 Convention site for more info on these workshops, but these side talks are part of the registration and an added value for attendees.

And these workshops are in addition to the offsite, after hours meet ups, dinners and extra-curricular events that will be going on over the extended four-day convention. No matter which convention you attend I make it my job to engage with every man I meet at the conferences. You will have personal time to discuss the matters that concern you most. This is my favorite part of doing these events.

Again I need to stress that the registration goes quickly for these events. The way it works is that the price progressively escalates to regular attendance prices the long you wait as the event date nears. I used to think this was a clever pricing scheme to get men to commit to attend, but now that the convention has become the ‘Woodstock of the Manosphere‘ it’s even more important that you get on these registrations as soon as possible before they sell out.

Please use the link in the Orlando banner above to get to my affiliate account. Again, this is how I get credit for my attendees.

Orlando is the main event and the list of speakers for the four-day event is truly awesome:

  • Rollo Tomassi
  • Anthony Johnson
  • Elliott Hulse
  • Hotep Jesus (Bryan Sharpe)
  • Jack Donovan
  • Ed Latimore
  • Dr. Robert Glover
  • Dr. Shawn Smith PsyD
  • Hunter Drew
  • Tanner Guzy
  • Donovan Sharpe
  • Goldmund Unleashed
  • Rian Stone
  • George Bruno
  • Socrates
  • Texas Dom
  • Ivan Throne
  • Jack Murphy
  • Alexander AJ Cortes
  • Steve Williams

And that’s the list of speakers we have confirmed at this time. As you can see, there is no other Manosphere gathering that compares to this event. It’s not just the TED Talk for the ‘sphere, it’s the friends you’ll make and the men you’ll connect both inside and outside the conference. The 21 Convention is much more than the men speaking or the workshops about the issues and topics that are important to you, it’s about the experience of sharing ideas with other men that no other venue allows for.

Finally, there will be discount codes for both events:

  • All men 25 or younger – U25
  • Military (active & retired) – MILITARY
  • Law enforcement and firefighters (active & retired) – LEO

These codes will get you 25% off the registration, including the VIP upgrades. These codes do not stack.

My goal for these conventions is enabling men to get access in any way possible. Some critics claim the price is too restrictive or it’s overpriced for what they believe is men “selling their snake oil to unsuspecting dupes”. This is also my concern. I want you to have access, but obviously the conferences can’t be ‘free admission’. A lot goes into bring together a convention of this magnitude. But “Why go at all when all the information is free on your blog Rollo?” Why indeed? If the cost is too prohibitive for you then you can always read my material here for free. I encourage you to do so in fact. I consider the Red Pill to be open source, so please, don’t put yourself into financial difficulties if attending would do so.

But also know that if the 25% discounts above aren’t enough for you, I will find a way for you to attend using one of my limited discounts, getting you on the volunteer staff, or some other way. That’s how important I think these events are for men. So if you’re struggling financially, but you really want to attend, hit me up in my email or Twitter or the comments on my About page here and I’ll make a way to make it happen.

And if you think it’s “all just salesmen hawking snake oil”, I will also find a way to get you a discounted registration on my dime so you can attend and see for yourself what these events are really all about.

I joke with Anthony that my ‘workshops’ start the moment I enter the hotel lobby. I’m guaranteed to lose my voice before the the end of the 3rd day, but it’s worth it to me to give you the most of what you’re paying for. That’s my commitment to you. I know that most men only have finite resource, and only get so many weeks a year for vacation. That is the foremost thing on my mind when I’m speaking at these conventions. I want you to get the most of your investment in a weekend that’s guaranteed to change your outlook on life. And I’m confident all my fellow speakers feel the same.

Published by Rollo Tomassi

Author of The Rational Male and The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine

67 comments on “The 21 Conventions – 2019

  1. @Rollo: it is great that you are coming to an European event.

    I imagine this would be difficult to arrange, but I (and I think others) would be interested in a more moderate fee limited access pass just for attending your keynote speech, see you in person / shake your hand / get your autograph and not attend the rest of the conference.
    It could even be in a different venue from the rest of the conference.

    Often in conferences there is a “public lecture” open to the general public, this would be kind of in that line (but due to the costs of running the event and security issues, still paid access).

  2. @Rollo:
    I have to agree with IAS here. I have been a fan of your work for some time now and always thought it might be nice to hear you speak sometime. I have a friend who is struggling with a lot of the issues you deal with in your writings and I think he might benefit from such an event. I am from Germany and upon reading this article thought to myself: “hey, Warsaw is right around the corner, I think I might check it out and ask him to come along!” Unfortunately, the incredibly steep price tag quickly changed my mind.

    Irregardless, I do wish you and the others a successful convention!

    Kind regards, JO

  3. Any events planned in or near the Pacific Northwest? Orlando is a bit of a drive for those of us on this side of the country.

  4. Hi Rollo,

    I sent you a private message on Instagram, about this. I don’t use Twitter, but if there’s another preferred way to contact you (like email), please let me know.

  5. A heads up, Rollo, in light of the 21 Convention. I came across a demagoguery piece in my news feed from a leftist PAC site.

    (political activity or practices that seek support by appealing to the desires and prejudices of ordinary people rather than by using rational argument)

    The author is Casey Quinlan
    Twitter: @THATCASEYQUIN

    https://thinkprogress.org/no-coincidence-california-synagogue-shooter-john-earnest-posted-about-the-red-pill-movement-aa46b31c01ad/

    The man charged in connection with a deadly synagogue shooting over the weekend referred to a male supremacist ideology in an 8chan post before the attack, according to authorities.

    The suspect, John Earnest, a self-described white supremacist and anti-Semite, has been charged with murder and attempted murder for the Saturday attack on the Chabad of Poway synagogue in southern California, in which one person was killed and three others injured. He also associated himself with a male supremacist ideology.

    Authorities believe Earnest posted a manifesto on the online message board 8chan before the attack, in which he mentions the red pill movement, a group associated with anti-feminist and misogynist views, men’s rights activists, and “incels,” or involuntary celibates.

    Keegan Hankes, a research analyst at the Southern Poverty Law Center, said misogyny plays a big role in radicalizing people and attracting them to some of the most extreme, racist, anti-Semitic, and Islamophobic parts of the internet that often embrace violent rhetoric.

    Also in my YouTube feed a recent RSD video about Taking the Red Pill by Julien and Tyler that has nothing to do with inter-sexual dynamics. Just generic pablum there.

    1. Yeah, I saw the RSD video blowing up my Twitter. They just see the “Red Pill” as a marketing tool. It’s just one more example among a lot more of exactly the profiteering I’ve always said these guys were about here for almost 4 years now.

  6. I can’t make it to Tampa, but I’m excited to see the content coming out of that weekend. Interested in any resources that I can use as a parent, to read up on as I’m not going to be there this weekend.

  7. The Red Pill has got into the Dutch newspapers! In the Netherlands, Volkskrant is the equivalent of the New York Times, I suppose, or the Britain’s Telegraph. It’s a hit piece, of course, taking the 20th anniversary of The Matrix as a reason for a story on how the red pill was co-opted by the alt-Right and discontented misogynists. Roosh got mentioned, plus the guy who created the original Red Pill forum on Reddit… (Looks it up.) …Robert Fisher. The way it reads, you’d think the manosphere is populated by neo-nazis. Sigh.

    (Wish I knew how to upload a picture. And it’s in Dutch.)

  8. Question. For anyone who has had to spend time in a leftist, liberal fucktard city. I am currently stationed in one for work (good career opportunity, from which I will bounce as soon as the next step opens up).

    Won’t go into too many specifics, but it’s a government city (capital city) in a small, safe country. Everyone is nice, friendly…..and insufferably liberal. Not wanting jihadists in the country is ‘Islamophobic’, and so on, kind of place.
    I see women routinely pairing up with these limpet-like gimps, totally devoid of any testosterone or backbone or muscle tone. Classic Heartiste ‘the physiogonomy doesn’t lie stuff’. And the women are 6 to 8.5’s. I frequently walk past these couples and think, WTF?

    At work I know better and keep my head down (I want references when the time is right), but socially it does my head in. Anytime I display any semblance of masculinity or testosterone, people become uncomfortable.

    At social events I’ve had women say they are intimidated by me and some women visibly become uncomfortable, make their excuses and exit the conversation. Last night, one woman who had done this, I saw on a date at a restaurant with a gimpy young thing; very chaste event where it was very obvious it had fizzled out into platonic conversation, with her sitting back in her seat.

    One woman I know from social circles who said I was intimidating has a gimpy IT-fiance nerd who is the most bland, boring guy I have ever spoken to. Every conversation I had involved him responding, “I see” in dulcet tones.

    Yet she would literally follow me around the gym, get all touchy feely when drunk and touchy in general (she comes from a culture where touch, particularly in public is frowned upon, even with people you know well. Yet I am more the acquaintance category).

    Again tonight I had stopped in at a bar for a quick drink. A couple of booths away was a new starter at my company with her ‘partner’. She classy looking and well spoken. He mumbling and sounding like he had no dick.

    Physically I’m 6ft 2, 210 pounds, short shaved head, facial hair and I’ve been told I look straight through people.

    Further, I have found 3 times now in social situations, women try to use me to make their gimp boyfriends jealous. To be clear, I show no interest in them other than making polite conversation and they try this shit.

    I plan to move soon, but it’s doing my head in. WTF is this? How do you deal in these cities?

  9. Reply to Blogster,
    I’ve lived many years in the Nordics, similar but probably not so bad as you describe, unless you are talking about Copenhagen.

    Find the genuine Anglo-Saxon pubs and the ex-pats, I would be surprised if there weren’t any, and take it from there.

  10. “At social events I’ve had women say they are intimidated by me and some women visibly become uncomfortable, make their excuses and exit the conversation”

    and….

    ” I’ve been told I look straight through people”

    Good morning Blogster. Been there.

    It’s clear you’re subcommunicating in body language your contempt for your situation. I’m no fan of leftists….though left-right dynamic is irrelavant to basic human incentives.

    Keep in mind that people are acutely aware of your 210# hulking frame. I’m not poking fun but a guy like you by phenotype alone rattles women. No need to be flagrant.

    Moreover, there’s generally need to force-feed masculinity on people. You being comfortable and charming in your own skin will comfort others without sacrificing yourself. You’re not on a one man savior schema mission to rid the world of it’s stupidity.

    You can clear it from your life, though.

    Like I wrote I have been there and most…and I mean essentially all people…are benighted to how flimsy the social and egalitarian order weakens us all in aggregate.

    Then ask yourself…are you a heroic yet masochistic in your attempt to muscularly carve out a space in the world….or….are you the type to let the world open up on it’s own and make space for you?

    You do have a choice. The city you live in is immaterial, frankly, and a classic “It’s not my fault” buffer. Don’t even go there, for the sake of principle.

    Make the best of your day and remember for your sake be a gentleman, not necessarily a gentle man.

  11. “Moreover, there’s generally NO need to force-feed masculinity on people.”

    Oops.

  12. At the risk of ridicule from spherethought, what exactly is a leftist liberal fucktard city?

    Sometimes what a man says and how he says it speaks volumes.

  13. Ex cartoonist

    See above from blogster please, and read around the sphere . There is no doubt that most manosphere sitescope manage to espouse an awful lot of alt right styled thought without much rebuff. Truly, if you say that you cannot see it, you’d be lying either to yourself or others or both.

    Rational Male doesn’t traffic in alt right nonsense or mysogony, but the comments section, like all commenting sections, can be rife at times. It’s normal for the loudest squeaky wheel to get the most attention. Something is dangerously amiss when so much killing and threat is slowly being blamed on red pill thought. Assholes are co-opting the name and the press is assisting them via their own ignorance.

    Looks like this is only the beginning since most sites cannot corral their comments , or like heartiste, actually traffic in hate and alt right nonsense . The world can see this stuff at will you know, and in silence we will all be smeared . Don’t complain because it’s going to get much worse with each murder spree.

  14. Blogster

    WTF is this? How do you deal in these cities?

    Lot of unpacking here… First lesson is these cities is actually ANY city you are in atm. The Rules of the Game are the same.

    The second lesson is – Get Thee Some Game… You present as a guy who thinks he can just look good and get women. This isn’t how things work.

    The third lesson – Do NOT ever think about “the other guys”! The Other Guys are just ugly girls… [Mystery]. Game them. And once you start comparing yourself to other guys you are done. You are out. This is where all the “but but but she should be with ME!” stuff comes from and it will kill dead any game you have. Other guys are a) irrelevant and b) useful tools to display your game off of. Get these guys out of your head.

    These girls are fucking these guys. They aren’t fucking you. Figure out how to get them to fuck YOU and the other guys will disappear from your mind.

    I see women routinely pairing up with these limpet-like gimps, totally devoid of any testosterone or backbone or muscle tone

    Yup. What is the lesson here? Those things are good, and many of these girls in your presence WILL have attraction to you based on this. But attraction is not enough. If you do not recognize attraction and how to build on it in a socially savvy way it doesn’t matter. She goes home and fucks her gimp…

    Anytime I display any semblance of masculinity or testosterone, people become uncomfortable.

    You can display these traits in a socially savvy way. don’t be THAT guy. Also “uncomfortable” isn’t bad, i.e. it’s not indifference, apathy, irrelevance etc.. you are on the radar. it’s how you deal with it that matters. You need to display some comfort as well. You need “this” AND “that”.

    At social events I’ve had women say they are intimidated by me and some women visibly become uncomfortable, make their excuses and exit the conversation.

    Again “intimidated” isn’t bad… for a bit. You need to recognize it though and then display some comfort, show a softer side for a glimpse, engage in that vein. You probably aren’t being socially savvy… Like it’s cool to espouse an unpopular view and have the frame to back it up, it’s HOW you do this that makes the difference between “that guy is is a deranged loser” and “hmmm… ”

    Last night, one woman who had done this, I saw on a date at a restaurant with a gimpy young thing; very chaste

    Yup. She’s fucking these guys and not YOU, because YOU are not enough. You need to learn.

    Yet she would literally follow me around the gym, get all touchy feely when drunk and touchy in general

    Yeah… attraction is NOT enough. It’s what YOU do with it. Learn the game.

    A couple of booths away was a new starter at my company with her ‘partner’. She classy looking and well spoken. He mumbling and sounding like he had no dick.

    And she is fucking him… See the pattern???

    this here

    Physically I’m 6ft 2, 210 pounds, short shaved head, facial hair and I’ve been told I look straight through people.

    Isn’t enough…

    I have found 3 times now in social situations, women try to use me to make their gimp boyfriends jealous.

    Hmmmm…. How would Mystery handle this???

    To be clear, I show no interest in them other than making polite conversation and they try this shit.

    Not like that…

    Watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8E-lmub6R8

    Then read this: https://conquistaperfeita.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/The-Mystery-Method-How-to-Get-Beautiful-Women-Into-Bed.pdf

    Then start posting your Field Reports here: https://therationalmale.com/field-reports-comment-page-2-comments/

    and you will be on your way.

  15. You being comfortable and charming in your own skin will comfort others without sacrificing yourself. You’re not on a one man savior schema mission to rid the world of it’s stupidity.

    Very well said Eh…

  16. Thank you much, Sentient. Have a nice weekend too.

    You see, blogster? How hard was that?

  17. “Assholes are co-opting the name and the press is assisting them via their own ignorance.”

    True, and the forces of progress quickly and pervasively scapegoat all men.

    There’s a 10-80-10 maxim re: corporate thievery, shoplifting, sundry illegality: 10% will steal regardless of threat of penalties…10% will never steal…80% don’t steal as the threat of penalties loom.

    The m.o. of TPTB is to keep the center mass in line with threats. Add the never-steal 10% and 90% of the masses are in check.

    Incel warriors like Elliot Rodgers and his ilk are hoisted up as modern male thought…keeping the 80% center mass in line for fear of guilt by association and damaged reputation.

    Reputation is extremely important for a lot of people’s livelihoods. I fouled mine up and guess what? It’s been a long road recovering it. Fortunately for me, I recognize my ability to choose better after mistakes are made, forgive myself to avoid guilt-driven stasis. I’m a narcissist this way…and it’s healthy.

    It’s a easy concept if a man can set down his ego, recognize he’s fucking up, choose to change his approach, forgive himself for past wrongs, and carry on.

    It’s a shit ton easier than perpetually and futilely attempting to bend the world to one’s own will.

  18. Lastly, it’s as important to let go of past wrongs inflicted on me by others.

    Butthirt indignancy provides succor and over time that hurt, unprovoked or not, loses its relevancy to a man’s ATM success and very well damages my ability to move on.

  19. “what exactly is a leftist liberal fucktard city?”

    It’s a fair question.

    Detroit was run by unapologetic leftists forever until the bottom fell out.

    There’s one near me too.

    The reality is this….when money, sex, self-esteem buffers lose their effectiveness, BP relationships fall apart.

    A city is a group of people subscribing to a set of life principles. What those interdynamic principles are can affect the longevity of the city.

    If the population is strictly transactional, then little cracks in the $$ cause big problems in stability.

  20. In my opinion and experience , similar things transpire in cities as do rural areas. Many rural areas with ” right leaning ” city and county governments have gone bust as well. The main difference is in the scale and reaction of the affected parties.

    Having lived in both large cities and rural communities, there have always been animosity and misunderstanding concerning both modes of living. The rust belt stretches well beyond Detroit . Economic destruction is just more evident to the eye in populations in the millions.

    It’s fascinating that a better grasp of the underlying mechanics is not evident, even as dozens of small towns are systematically destroyed. The scapegoat syndrome obfiscates the truth of the matter .

  21. “The rust belt stretches well beyond Detroit . Economic destruction is just more evident to the eye in populations…”

    Good point.

    Question for you…..

    You think feminism and egalitarian equalism is as prevalent rurally vs. urban?

    The economic failures are downstream effects of upstream universal failures regardless of location. I agree to that.

  22. Rollo

    https://twitter.com/RationalMale/status/1124390289660162048

    http://www.kiplingsociety.co.uk/poems_tommy.htm

    We aren’t no thin red ‘eroes, nor we aren’t no blackguards too,
    But single men in barricks, most remarkable like you;
    An’ if sometimes our conduck isn’t all your fancy paints,
    Why, single men in barricks don’t grow into plaster saints;
    While it’s Tommy this, an’ Tommy that, an` Tommy, fall be’ind,”
    But it’s ” Please to walk in front, sir,” when there’s trouble in the wind
    There’s trouble in the wind, my boys, there’s trouble in the wind,
    O it’s ” Please to walk in front, sir,” when there’s trouble in the wind.

  23. Urban and rural areas still populated by humans with all of the attending human nature. It’s becomes more of a numbers game. Rural women still benefit from feminism and don’t fight the sisterhood for the most part. Lots of dishonesty and lip service rurally as people attempt to claim moral highgrounds.

    It’s basically the same. Choose opposition points geographically – pro and anti, using the same tactics with the same tribal sense of correctness. The main thing is that none of the ” suffering ” is relieved on either side for very long. Contentment is not a human charecterist overall.

  24. Sentient

    Wow, this sounds like The bodybuilding.com forum during the 2000s. Full of ‘dudes’ calling people ‘phaggots’ and asking them ‘Do you even lift?’.

    You’re pre-supposing a hell of a lot in your responses, seemingly to come across as an authority on these issues. You fall into the classic RSD fan boi poster assumption – presuming women are constantly fucking the guys that AREN’T the ones posting on forums, as if every other dude who isn’t on forums has got it figured out. You’re like the undergrad who has taken a semester course and then acts as the world’s foremost authority on things without considering what people are talking about or the context. You’ve clearly turned around some of the things I’ve said, simply to repeat ‘game, game, game’. I clearly stated I observed a date fizzling out into platonic awkard chat yet you try to re-frame it as if they went home and banged.

    I’m not asking for ‘game’ advice, I’m trying to understand the bigger picture sociological dynamics, because I find this place bizarre. I’ve arrived in a strange city where even yesterday at work, the ONE guy willing to say he was more conservative leaning confided it was a very insular, safe-space liberal bubble. Where men publicly say they watch such crap as Orange is the New Black and coo over Game of Thrones like 14 year olds.

    I’m already observing a significant majority of couples where the woman clearly wears the pants and the men do what they’re told. Body language, tone of voice, choice of words, it’s all very apparent. I’m also noticing already there is a high level of social policing. As Rollo talks about, the feminine imperative dictating what’s appropriate in certain social situations and certain social conventions. Yet physiologically women seem aroused. But it’s schizophrenic.

    You sound like some acolyte from RSD. ‘Game’ is not the answer when it wasn’t the question that was asked.

  25. Blogster

    Got me pegged😂


    Game’ is not the answer when it wasn’t the question that was asked.”

    This is just stupid.

    You obviously have little understanding of social and intersexual dynamics and are hiding a shit ton behind this inexperience.

    Those girls all celibate?

    No.

    So deduce who they are fucking…

    Yup. Those limp Soi boys who arent you.

    You can flee, or you can figure things out.

    Up to you big baller…

    But this:

    “it was a very insular, safe-space liberal bubble. Where men publicly say they watch such crap as Orange is the New Black and coo over Game of Thrones like 14 year olds”

    Lol. This is almost every city in the West. I’d try and figure it out if I were you.

  26. In a coffee shop today and yesterday the audio was either an oldies playlist or a local oldies broadcast station. It is positively painful to listen to some of the hits from the 60’s, 70’s and 80’s now. The utter pedestalization of women, the total saturation of blue-pill is tiresome and repulsive.

    I used to like some of those tunes. Now it’s like fingernails down a chalkboard.

    Blues tunes have largely held up, and Frank “Broken Hearts Are For Assholes” Zappa is largely timeless.

    Classical music is a mixed bag, because some 19th century music is not just romantic but Romantic (Wagner, puke). A while back I got to view the Italian opera “Elixer of Love” and it’s even better with The Glasses. Ditto Don Pasquale.

    Any time Mozart’s “Cossi fan Tutti” is around, go see it: “They are all like that” is one translation of the title.

  27. ” I’m trying to understand the bigger picture sociological dynamics, because I find this place bizarre.”

    In the spirit of sinko-de-my-o…..hola mi amigo, blogster. Bienvenido to the RP world-o…te amo mi spanglish.

    The point of living an unplugged life is authentically living it. Now, if you’ve got some other intention after unplugging…boldly unplugging others, being yo badass self, popping off on some random web site…well hell, you got yo!self a game plan there…and…..you will have your 110 kg balbo-beard badass handed to you….and yet not be laid.

    Man, you got some chops yo! Toughing it here and yet no poosy, and, well, at least you choose to be celebite by your own doofus-ness. What courage. Onward RP not-laid collapsing soldier.

    Oh. That’s the MGTOW formula. Defensiveness + Butthurt + Wrath = Inconsequence

    Look blogster…..there’s zero reason to be defensive, though your last comment tipped all your cards. Stick with the RP 101 syllabus if you want to get laid and not ghosted no more.

    Separate note: Please, please feel free punking anyone and all here….it’s juicing multivitamins.

    Blogster, set your ego aside for a moment….what do what you want from your time here, IN THE NOW, and why the heckfire are you living, working? You prattle on about “sociological dynamics”…gay…why are we beholden to tell you anything, ya-not-laid, 27 BMI, glabrous fruitcake adult? You sound expectant and cunty btw…from a bro to bro…tone that mewling down…or I’ll shuffle you off to the ScribblerG-faggot file. He’s a not-laid whiner too.

    You wanna rub your corpulent and bald body on some hottie’s ass? Get your dick wet, per chance? Oh fuck, is there no other divine earthly pleasure than skin on skin? How exotic.

    Blogster, asking ill-intentioned questions, those that turn the mirror away, will only entertain us and teach you.

    Wink……we are on your side. It’s up to you to be on your side, well, too. Or not. It’s all the same to me as you’ll make my point for me and hilariously so.

  28. Blogster

    I’m not asking for ‘game’ advice, I’m trying to understand the bigger picture sociological dynamics, because I find this place bizarre. I’ve arrived in a strange city where even yesterday at work, the ONE guy willing to say he was more conservative leaning confided it was a very insular, safe-space liberal bubble. Where men publicly say they watch such crap as Orange is the New Black and coo over Game of Thrones like 14 year olds.

    I’m already observing a significant majority of couples where the woman clearly wears the pants and the men do what they’re told. Body language, tone of voice, choice of words, it’s all very apparent. I’m also noticing already there is a high level of social policing. As Rollo talks about, the feminine imperative dictating what’s appropriate in certain social situations and certain social conventions. Yet physiologically women seem aroused. But it’s schizophrenic.

    The sexual marketplace is a marketplace and you are selling you. Good luck with that.

    Part of Rollo’s brand of Red Pill awareness is building value.

    Carl from BlackLabelLogic.com just came out with his second book. Gendernomics: Building Value. It is very good. It describes a man building value in the vein of business markets.

    https://www.amazon.com/Gendernomics-Building-Value-Carl-Adaugeo-ebook/dp/B07R5913ZD/ref=sr_1_2?qid=1556980952&refinements=p_27%3ACarl+Adaugeo&s=digital-text&sr=1-2&text=Carl+Adaugeo

    When you look around you in your current market Blogster, watch what the girls are doing and behaving like. You can be in denial, anger, bargaining or depressed about what they are up to, but they are telegraphing their intent. It is pretty obvious that in your market the girls are targeting Betas. But that may be just the Pareto Principle 80/20 or skewed to 90/10 at work. The question is: What are you going to do about it?

    Here is an excerpt from his book:

    Quote:

    “Predictable vs. Probabilistic

    Some of the factors that play into a female valuation of a man as a prospective sexual partner include ovulatory shifts, her age, her social status, her life-stage and various others. While educated guesses can often be very accurate, the fact of the matter is that the only way to determine if a woman is receptive is to approach and screen her. One cannot determine whether a prospective buyer is interested in the product until contact is made on some level with the buyer, even if that buyer fits the target demographic and consumer group one has defined. One can identify market groups that tend to display interest and thus target them for more aggressive sales and marketing, and probabilistically speaking one will have a higher degree of success with targeted as opposed to randomly marketing a product to the population. This is probabilistic rather than deterministic, and “Not all X are like that, but all X have a higher probability of being like that”.

    To structure a process that to some extent will lead to predictable outcomes, it is necessary to begin in the aggregate, it is very difficult, if not impossible to predict the action of a single human, but with large enough sample sizes, it is possible to predict the actions of groups. Thus, if one can identify the choice criteria utilized in a purchasing process, then one can engage in deliberate action to satisfy a majority of those choice criteria to a larger degree than the competition. This is in many ways how companies go about designing a product for a new market, identify a need, identify the salient criteria of a product that would be desired by that market, prototype/test market, and then analyze the results.

    Marketers and product designers are well aware of the fact that a product will not be valued equally across every demographic and consumer group, the goal is to either target a narrow group, or to target the mass market. In niche product design, one seeks to learn as much as possible about one consumer group and then to create a product that would be tailored very specifically to appeal to that group, meaning that it would represent very high value to that group. Alternatively, if one seeks mass market appeal one would seek to create a product that appeals to the most general and shared characteristics of a group and avoids those characteristics that are controversial. Restaurants represent a very good example of both approaches where there are mass market products such as major fast food chains, which few people would hold up as their favorite, but which a diverse group can agree to utilize because the offers have no characteristics that any group find excessively disagreeable.

    There are also niche products such as expensive gourmet restaurants that appeal to a very narrow market, but seek to create massive value for their targeted group. A Michelin restaurant is expensive, often avant garde, often has low-volume for money, and requires an advanced palate in order to see the value being offered. This means that many will eliminate it as an option based on price, some for the upper-class atmosphere, some on a value perspective and some due to the food being “advanced” or “over-engineered. This is the intent of the business.

    A Deterministic Solution to a Probabilistic Problem

    Many men find the manosphere after searching for solutions to a specific problem, in many cases how to make themselves an offer their one-itis cannot refuse. This is the equivalent of asking someone “How do I design a product that represents an offer of value that my one targeted customer cannot refuse”. While it is possible to do so in very generic terms, for instance everyone would accept an offer of value in exchange for nothing, this does not represent a realistic offer, there is simply no such thing as a free lunch. Perhaps the best example is that companies such as Facebook and Google that offer “free” infrastructure monetize the data they gather from their “users”. If a company offers something for free, then you are the product.

    This is in many ways what men offer women when they agree to a “lets just be friends” proposition from the woman. The woman is stating “I’m not going to offer a return, but you are free to invest in me”. The man front-loads investment in the woman, expecting a return that will never come.

    The various characteristics that I covered in this essay, from the various applicable definitions of value, that we often use interchangeable in daily dialogue. For instance, if one were to say that a woman is a 10, does one mean “She is in the top 10% of women worldwide based on the following criteria” which would be an objective valuation, or is one saying “She is in the top 10% of women worldwide for me, based on my subjective choice criteria”, which is a subjective valuation.

    The major problem faced by the engineer minded man is that he is seeking an objective solution to a subjective problem. In order to reduce the probability of rejection to zero, every woman would have to have identical choice criteria, weighted in the exact same manner, be in the same context, think in the exact same manner, be at the same stage of her ovulatory cycle, have the same tangible and intangible asset preferences and so on. This is obviously an impossibility. While science has been able to identify some preferences that women have for qualities in men, these differ based factors among others intent (Short term vs long-term mating). Thus, a man who is a perfect fit when the woman is in the follicular phase may not be in the luteal phase.

    The eternal downside of positivist research, one can arrive conclusively at an answer, but that answer is merely a fact based on a large sample size. From this answer one can derive a probability, but depending on the probability itself it may not guarantee an outcome. One can state that “90% of women want a man with a sense of humor”, but this is no guarantee that the specific oneitis of a man wants a man with a sense of humor. General advice can be offered, be in shape, in control of your emotions and your psychology, climb a dominance hierarchy, and many others, but this merely increases the probability that someone in your intended market will find your offer enticing, not that everyone in your target market will, or that they’ll accept the offer.

    This search for an objective solution to a subjective problem is in essence the attempt to eliminate probability of failure, and thus risk. One could theorize that this is perhaps due to catastrophizing the consequences of rejection, as Mystery once put it, hitting on a wrong woman in a stone age tribe could get you kicked out of the tribe or killed. Alternatively, it could be due to viewing the world on a binary scale, where there is no step between novice and master.”

    @Blogster, also on a related note to your situation see this:

    https://blacklabellogic.com/2019/05/01/of-carrots-and-sticks/

  29. @Blogster

    As a top 20% guy in the SMP you won’t get to far discussing your point of view on the web as most have never seen the view from here. I see the same things you’re seeing daily and am not surprised ,one thing to watch for is having the jealous sexual beta in a control position at work as it will fuck your career. But still you will be leveraged by both men and women in today’s world as they are both trained bitches.

    What it sounds like is your eyes are opening to what is happening around you with more awareness.

    https://pjmedia.com/drhelen/can-a-man-be-too-handsome/

    Have fun with that!

  30. SJF

    Really dislike and disagree with that while line of reasoning. This is the “match the hatch” approach that leads to the “build a better…” phenomenon and negates basic Game principles, attraction switches etc.

    This kind of thinking is very seductive to Rational Males steeped in dog logic. It’s dangerous.

    Replace “match the hatch” with calibration based on game principles and real time responses. And that’s not semantics.

  31. Wahoo

    A marketplace has buyers and sellers. In this example we have unwilling buyers and unwilling sellers.

  32. “Really dislike and disagree with that while line of reasoning. This is the “match the hatch” approach that leads to the “build a better…” phenomenon and negates basic Game principles, attraction switches etc.”

    I get what you are saying Sentient. Perhaps those passages were inappropriate out of context (for Blogster), although the context of BLL’s book was about building a better male in the sexual market place and which includes better at Game principles and attraction switches. Going from winner to loser with women. And I suppose I am more solipsistic about “build a better…”, be attractive, don’t be unattractive in context of married red pill game. Is “build a better” really binary and not inclusive with employing Game principles and attraction switches?

    I suppose Blogster could let the feminists and blue pill beta milieu not get to him so much and not concentrate on the negative aspects of that, embrace red pill and Game and move on with his life instead of being in stasis.

    I don’t know if the follow on page in the book helps put it more in context:

    Quote:

    “Male Value

    The concept of male value is a function of the dual female sexual strategy of seeking out optimal genetics and long-term security. This is colloquially referred to as “AF/BB” or “Alpha Fucks/Beta Bucks”, but perhaps my favorite is “Alpha Seed/Beta Need” as the latter reference is very direct and object oriented. A woman mates with an Alpha because of superior genetics, and a Beta because of superior provisioning ability.

    Ideally, a woman would want the same man to embody both, the best example would be a King or tribal chieftain who is both the highest ranked man in terms of his genetic advantages, but who also was the man best positioned within his tribe to ensure her long-term security. This is the female unicorn, an Alpha male, with just enough beta traits to make him manageable.

    Male value is largely built through demonstrations of competence in areas that are valued within a tribe. I suspect that traditionally this would have been the man who was a great hunter or warrior, the Shaman who was the spiritual adviser to the group and the chief, or other similar roles. Within our modern world there are many hierarchies to climb from business, to military, law enforcement, wealth social and artistic, they are all niche markets within the sexual market place, and they all correlate to some degree. For instance, a rock star will rank highly on the social, artistic and wealth. This is a clear example of to those who have much, more flows.

    However, there are also many smaller niches that allow a man to leverage his natural abilities to achieve above average mating success. From my perspective, most of the things men do are informed by basic cause and effect chains about what will make them more successful in their mating life. Men are willing to go through grueling trials over many years in order to slightly improve their chances of landing a mate. Men are willing to put themselves through massive work-loads, travel schedules and risky jobs in order to provide for the mate that they have secured for themselves.

    At the foundation of male value is competency, both in the broader term and the narrow term. Women appreciate male competence, however merely being the best programmer or Call of Duty player is not going to land you at the top of the overall hierarchy. The overall hierarchy is a composite of all other hierarchies that exist, we can refer to it as the overall dominance hierarchy for the human population. It would be rather laborious to break down all of these from every angle, and it is a book in itself, however to give a brief introduction, it goes back to the overlapping over dominance hierarchies.

    A successful businessman will rank highly both within business and most likely within wealth, if he isn’t a complete recluse he will also most likely rank high within the social dominance hierarchy. Rank within a hierarchy is based on influence within that hierarchy, and rank in the total dominance hierarchy is a function of overall dominance within the hierarchies. The major reason that sexual market value is quite simple to define for women is that it is always heavily weighted towards youth and beauty, with beauty being a proxy for judging fertility. The reason why sexual market value is much more difficult to quantify for men is that it contains many more variables where they all differ based on context and target market.

    The overall value of a man is based on his position in various hierarchies, we can refer to this as his objective value as it is the aggregate of all his value across multiple spheres. However, what one must keep in mind is that a man’s value and a man’s sexual market value are not the same, they are two distinct valuations where the first is made by all of society, whereas the latter is a valuation made only by women.”

  33. Hi Rollo,
    Any thought about moving the timing of the Orlando Convention for 2020 up to the summer months? The reason I ask is that teachers generally can’t take a week off during the school year. I know Orlando is brutally hot from May to September, but you might get more guys to come to the convention.

  34. SJF

    “Is “build a better” really binary and not inclusive with employing Game principles and attraction switches?”

    You want to learn how to build something? Build feelz.

  35. It’s ok to be yourself if you are Tom Brady…right?

    I’m with Sentient. RP isn’t a induction process of building a better man. It’s reductive…stripping away the lacquer layers of false thinking and phony stacks and clever pressure flips…about girls,…about yourself…about the world…

    The result is a man’s own detoxified soi-disant Tom Brady. Comfortable in his authenticity, efficient, plays to win, risk is built into the dynamic. That’s all the world wants and values and will pay plenty for that as $$ is all it has to negotiate your soulful genius to help them see what they’re missing.

    I’m not gonna even get into how the above is killer chick crack.

    Remaking the wheel is stupid. I tried that. Fairly warned.

  36. @Blogster

    The social environment you find yourself in, is as you astutely described, a haven for the diktats of the feminine imperative. Five years ago these pant wearing women would group together and go out and dance around their handbags in nightclubs and bars. Rebuffing the advances of any man foolish enough to try his luck. The message to onlookers ‘we’re out to have a good time and we don’t need the company of men to accomplish this.’
    Over the last five years a change occurred and women found they did need men. Though they would only engage on their terms.
    The weak willed men, these women are paired with, serve a purpose. They’re willing to fulfill their function as long as the call of their own biological imperative is kept at bay. The liberal woman will do everything to subvert it’s expression and eventually bring about the downfall of the relationship as the man loses the battle with his innate nature.

    Blogster, think of it this way, you’re five years too early for the city environment you’re in.
    On the outskirts of the city in the suburbs, the women save the feminine imperative nonsense for their 9 to 5, but leave it at home when they go out. The pressures of life necessitate this to some degree.
    At 6ft 2 and 210 pounds (that’s the dream, right there) you’ll notice a more visceral response from these women.

    They’re hungry and they’ll look at you, as though dinner has been served.

  37. Sentient, you can take the cat out of the jungle, you can’t take the jungle out of the cat. You can however train a big dog to act small till he finds out he’s a big dog.

  38. ” the suburbs ” are a blue pill fantasy. Women are still women, or don’t you bother reading rational male? What happened 5 years ago that I missed ? A man would do well to put aside notions of unicorns and snowflakes. Admittedly, there’s some terrible advice that proves that the beta is extremely difficult to kill.

  39. Ollie

    “They’re hungry and they’ll look at you, as though dinner has been served.”

    And they go home with the guys they are fucking… Maybe they thinkbof you while doing so. And you go home with your dick in your hand.

    Does not sound like fun. Guess how I know…

    You can be the dreamiest McDreamboat that ever boated… If you do not present a SEXUAL threat and you do not know how to ACT on that… Well you are a handsome rich tall [fill in the blanks] eunuch.

    Enjoy your fantasy as being TOP of the MARKET… Lol

    Seriously the whole SMP and SMV, as presented by the man centric manosphere is seriously flawed. You need to go game girls and pick them up to really understand this.

  40. Said in the spirit of every lost boy who’s said “but what does she see in THAT guy?”…

  41. Wahoo

    “Sentient, you can take the cat out of the jungle, you can’t take the jungle out of the cat. You can however train a big dog to act small till he finds out he’s a big dog.”

    Aptly stated and I agree. Bit how does that big dog fuck that cat??? Few cats are throwing themselves at dogs in the language the dog understands… And 9 of 10 times the one that breaks through and GRABS that cock, will be average…

    Been there…

  42. @Robert

    “Women are still women”

    Although indoctrination levels vary.

    “What happened 5 years ago that I missed?”

    A lot by the looks of things

    “A man would do well to put aside notions of unicorns and snowflakes”

    A man called Robert by any chance? Or do you prefer to be associated with your alt account, Foxguy.

    “Admittedly, there’s some terrible advice that proves that the beta is extremely difficult to kill.”

    You would know. So I can’t argue with that.

  43. Sentient

    SJF
    “Is “build a better” really binary and not inclusive with employing Game principles and attraction switches?”
    You want to learn how to build something? Build feelz.

    Nice.

    Thanks for the reductive thoughts.

    And Eh, thanks for your thoughts too.

    As Eh has been noted to point out that after a certain point in Red Pill, it is not about process any more. It’s about executing. There is a difference between newbie Red Pill of any Game and attraction switches (which appears to be where Blogster is) and advanced red pill in which a man has done the work to get up the curve past 90% which is linear. The next 10% is exponential (in work and payback). I vacillate around 93%.

    Despite my Field Reports comment April 1, things are going well on the SJF front. My wife is nice, my son is doing great and my Daughters wedding is in two weeks. I was at the bachelor party today and some great people were there. The future son in law is great. My daughter stopped by for a minute. She looks beautiful. Our wedding anniversary is tomorrow, Happy Cinco de Mayo.

  44. Ahhh,

    Rollo, I know you are busy at the Patriarchs Convention, but a long comment in response to Yollo’s question about thoughts on parenting got eaten by moderation.

  45. Y. Comanche
    Hey what do yall think of this article in Rollo’s feed?

    I think it is 3 and 1/2 years old for a start. Most social ‘science” isn’t even replicable, that’s what the replicability crisis is largely about. Real science makes predictions, although often with some error possible. Social “science” cannot do so, because some of its premises are false.

    Nobody is a blank-slate , ‘nurture is all” type with their own children, in my experience.

    Nature vs. nurture is gradually being settled by genetic studies that often merely confirm what agriculturalists of the last N – thousand years knew empirically. However “mah FEELZE” doesn’t want to hear it.

    Consider Caster Semenya and all the emotionalism associated, just for an example.

  46. “women save the feminine imperative nonsense for their 9 to 5”

    Untrue as women have the right to their preferences, have the ability to choose and do act on that regardless of the time a day. It’s none of my business if those preferences are short-term frivolous and long-term destructive. The feminine imperative isn’t nonsense, btw.

    Women are not pure evo-bio zombies either. Attractive masculinity aligns with her lower-order sensibility and then sexually successful men close the deal by allowing her to frewillingly choose him AND the responsibility for the outcome.

    If and when she chooses independently to have sex, the man must do two things to ensure a healthy sexual relationship:

    1) Maintain a discretely masculine, energetic presence within the relationship.

    2) Ensure her self-respect regardless of what kinky acrobatics go on between the sheets. This isn’t about pickup techniques or treating her nice or being a nice guy. It’s best if she isn’t waffling about the sex and that starts partly with the intention the man brings to the situation. When she’s convinced that she herself made a conscious decision to have sex, then the sex is unbridled from inhibitions and doubt. How she gets to or convinces herself of that certainty is irrelevant as long as she feels her sense of independence and control is addressed.

    Ride or die girls sign up for that lifestyle. They subconsciously and consciously choose to go all in on that special guy. They’re not robots.

  47. @anonymous

    The Red Pill accurately predicts human behavior, so fuck social science, don’t you agree?

    @Sentient

    “Apples and trees”

    That’s a bad analogy. Apples can’t divorce-rape you and they can’t thank you for your time and your concern. They’ll let you eat them though…..

  48. “The Red Pill accurately predicts human behavior, so fuck social science, don’t you agree?”

    TRP is an observation of the intersexual dynamic. It is not the intersexual dynamic.

    Science is an observation of nature. It is not nature.

    Apply the correct metric to measure the value of an observation. Not doing so leads to erroneous or incomplete data. It’s up to us realize the limitations of science and TRP and use or avoid the mismeasurement in application accordingly.

    We have a choice to run with bad data….or not….but let’s not call it accurate data.

  49. @Sentient – Great, pithy, dense insights for @Blogster.

    @Blogster – Do you want help? Sentient gave you gems and a path to work your way through the problems you are having. You seem to think “game” or “PUA” is something separate from your normal way of being. No, game is a way of using the praxeological truths of human mating strategies to one’s advantage, that’s all. And you suck at it, by your own account.

    Get this. You suck at picking up women. It has nothing to do with the politics. I mean, you do get that in the little you shared, you demonstrated that you have no idea what even what a “shit test” is and that you have almost no understanding of the actual social contexts you are operating in, nor how to optimize them. Do you realize that’s what you told some of us here? (careful, there are more than a few frequent commenters here who LARP and offer idiotic advice)

    That said, I’ll give you one “Red Pill” insight that might help you. If you are trying to qualify as a lover, meaning they see you as a short term mate for good, fun sex, you aren’t competing with the “safe” guys the women are with (I think we might find some of them have more on the ball than you think, even if they don’t have rippling muscles). Do you understand that? Women have a “dualistic” mating strategy and are always interested in both “provider” types and “lover” types. If you do this right, these girls will keep their chode BFs for “Date Night” and to drag around to the mall and to bitch about their jobs too etc, while they show up at your place at 11 at night purely to fuck you.

    From what you describe, you seem to be getting a bit of interest but then fall apart at the first shit test. They call you too aggressive and get stopped. Simplest technique for dealing with shit tests is to agree and amplify. Here’s an example.

    HB: You’re kind of scary
    AFC (you are an AFC still, sorry): You have no idea….
    HB: Giggles…
    AFC: I was just about to go hockey mask shopping for the kill-spree I’m planning at that Girl Scout camp, wanna help me pick out the right one?
    HB: You are weird…
    AFC: You’re the one talking to a potential serial killer what’s up with you? It’s weird, I feel like you might want to have sex with me, are you attracted to serial killers? What’s wrong with you?

    Got it yet? Push, pull, agree and amplify, sexualize quickly, put it back on her and do this until she moves deeper into interest and attraction. You’ll notice this in a variety of ways but the key is when she starts qualifying to you. Being 56, I often tell young hotties they are too young for me, and the one’s who try and prove they aren’t are the one’s who are interested. Got it yet?

    I’m curious what you expect from these girls? Are they supposed to simply look at you or observe you at work and then just drop their draws and bang you? It seems so. Which means you simply don’t know a thing about the Red Pill in a real way, fyi. Like it’s all conceptual to you and you are also still quite angry about it all. My Red Pill experience was completely intellectual until I began doing actual PUA. That changed EVERYTHING for me – and not by any means solely wrt how I did with women. Seeing the reality we live in proved out by game will change you utterly. You will develop social intelligence that will help you in all situations, not just with women. Game makes a man internalize the Red Pill in a way that isn’t possible via reading blog posts or watching videos.

    Your response to @Sentient seems to indicate you want people to applaud you for your approach to these women and that they are at fault, lol, while you are posting comments here lamenting your inability to get laid. Aww, poor @Blogster, all the mean, leftist girls won’t give you any pussy. Do you want us all to whine along with you? Or do you want to stop fucking up with women? Serious question that you should answer first before blasting off another stupid, obnoxious reply.

  50. Okay, I request the help of other commenters here. Is ” qualifying ” to any woman actually a part of pua or red pill? I think this is bad advice myself because it’s in the woman’s ” frame “, or does that mean that I am larping?

    ( what is larping anyway? Does it have anything to do with being unable to free oneself from a woman’s frame )

  51. “Women have a “dualistic” mating strategy and are always interested in both “provider” types and “lover” types. ”

    Meet

    Enjoy your fantasy as being TOP of the MARKET… Lol

    Seriously the whole SMP and SMV, as presented by the man centric manosphere is seriously flawed. You need to go game girls and pick them up to really understand this.

  52. @Robert:

    She isn’t going to dance with you if she doesn’t want to dance with you. Less assembly instructions, more feels.

    Here’s a thought: what if not bending into her frame is one of the things that qualifies you to her? Qualifying doesn’t mean pussy begging, it just means that she feels like dancing with you.

    Chesty Puller’s 10,000 followed him into the gates of Hell, and kicked Hell’s ass, even though their natural inclination was to feel like quitting. They wouldn’t have done that if Chesty hadn’t qualified himself to them as a leader. Do you think he did that by falling into their frame?

    Dominance doesn’t mean “beating into submission.” It means that people willingly submit, often without even being asked. You don’t get that unless you have qualified to them as dominant.

    How do you do that?

    Fucking frame.

  53. “Replace “qualifying” with IOI – Indicator of Interest . . .”

    “Qualify” is salesman jargon which most people will interpret by the dictionary, which may tend to lead them astray.

    “Qualify” means not only an interest, but the ability. A salesman doesn’t want to waste time on someone who’s only there to drool but doesn’t have the money (or clean record, or permission, or whatever else would disqualify them from completing the transaction).

    And it works the other way ’round. As a buyer you don’t want to waste your time with someone who can’t actually deliver.

    A player hitting up a sugar baby on the hunt is just wasting both of their time. They mutually fail to qualify.

    There’s a story about Joan Baez, 20 years old at the time and dressed all hippy ragged, going into a Jaguar dealership and looking at an XKE:

    Salesman: (rushes over) Don’t touch the car!
    Joanie: How much does it cost?
    Salesman: $10k, you can’t afford it.
    Joanie: (Pulling $10k cash out of her pocket) I can touch it. It’s mine!

  54. Robert,

    “Okay, I request the help of other commenters here. Is ” qualifying ” to any woman actually a part of pua or red pill? ”

    Intent is everything. If a guy enters a relationship using a woman as an external validation i.e. a trophy wife, he is devaluing his inherent worth. If he believes his value lies within her relationship to him or separately or in combination with his environment, his job or whatever, if and when those vanish in divorce court or job loss he must conclude he, as a person, loses value.

    Depending on how much he had vested in those “created” external validators, men often lose faith in life itself and throw themselves off the GW bridge. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4222078/Suicidal-doctor-left-note-asking-cops-call-TV-star-ex.html

    You’ll see guys post their conquests here. There’s really nothing wrong with that per se. I did it. The intent of the man is critical to understanding his frame integrity. Women acutely understand a man’s tendency to use women as ego ornaments. They play men such, as men qualifying in any way (separate from being a decent guy) is an abdication of a man’s self-respect.

    Women will manipulate that weakness. PUA starts with the intent that pussy is valuable in itself, a prize. Thus PUA devotees start with a damaged frame.

  55. Hi Rollo, just wondering if you received my email about the convention or it ended up in your spam folder? Would have been sent a day or so after you posted this. Thanks.

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