Unmarriageable

This week there’ve been a rash of articles all outlining the latest statistics about marriage in this decade. US marriage rates are at a 150 year low and, if you believe the all-female article writers, it’s of course men’s fault for failing to be marriageable. These articles are referencing a study published last week titled Mismatches in the Marriage Market and this study reveals large deficits in the supply of potential male spouses. One implication is that the unmarried may remain unmarried or marry less well‐suited partners.

That’s right gentlemen, you’re unmarriageable and the ladies want you to shape up. If you want to experience marital bliss – despite all the inherent personal dangers for men in today’s “marriage economy” – you must make yourself “economically attractive“:

“Most American women hope to marry, but current shortages of marriageable men — men with a stable job and a good income — make this increasingly difficult,” says lead author Daniel Lichter in a press release.

The stats don’t lie and they are pretty bleak. More women are enrolled in college than ever before and more are expected to enter through the middle of the coming decade. Now, a degree doesn’t guarantee a woman a job, and it says nothing about the majors and job sectors women prefer, but a college education does reinforce the idea that women are entitled to marry an economically attractive man who himself has an education and enough aspiration to make something of himself to become marriageable.

That’s some real shit right there and we’re not even half way through this post. We’ve gotten to the point where the truth of the past five decades is apparent; gendered politics has actively, openly, disadvantaged men in terms of education. Whether this hobbling of men is via educational dispensations (Title IX) or social conventions (divorce, child support, Duluth model feminism) the outcome is now unignorable.

In most western societies today there is a separate standard of justice that applies to women. Women are receive far fewer consequences and are sentenced much more leniently than men for committing the exact same crimes. These are easily proven statistics, but even when they are brought to light the gynocentric social order doubles down and justifies them because, women.

My intent here today isn’t to depress anyone. Neither am I drawing attention to this because I’ve made a new turn to the Men Rights Movement. No doubt there’ve been many article already written about the female hubris inherent in these revelations – revelations the Red Pill community has been pointing out for almost two decades now.

The manifestations of about 50 years of social changes produced by a feminine-primary social order are unignorable. Even mainstream media sources are finally seeing these stories as the red meat du jour for the masses now. A lot of the Red Pill principles and I and many other men in the Manosphere have been drawing attention to about intersexual dynamics are now coming to light in popular consciousness.

Aww Quit Complaining

Last year I delivered the State of the Manosphere Address, and in that talk I outlined the rise of what I saw as a new Gender War (or gender cold war). Naturally I was called a reactionary, and have been since described as “overly negative” even by the organization that asked me to deliver that speech. But yet, everything in that outline has come to pass in less than a year. Of course, the easy dismissal is to blame this on election year propaganda. More than one mainstream talkshow conservative has jumped on the Toxic Masculinity bandwagon, pointing out how the Left and mainstream feminism are one and the same.

However, there have been many swings of the political pendulum in the past 50 years. Conservative zeitgeists have contributed to the same feminine-primary social order that’s resulted in men being unmarriageable today. It’s just been good politics to appeal to the Feminine Imperative no matter what side of the political aisle you happen to sit on.

But I’m a man. I’m not supposed to be overly concerned with issues like this. As long as I’m measuring up to my Burden of Performance any marginal raising-of-awareness to truths like the ones above make me seem like I’m complaining. And that’s something men are never allowed to do. It’s a very effective way of silencing men. Get them to feel like they ought to silence themselves. Real men don’t complain.

Meanwhile, it’s Broke Men who are hurting American Women’s Marriage Prospects. My good friend Dalrock once wrote a series of post around the idea that feminism would be so much more successful if men would only cooperate with it. When women are unable to optimally complete their mating (and life’s) strategies it’s men’s fault for being uncooperative. It’s men’s fault when women’s life plans don’t come together as Sheryl Sandberg told them it would. It’s men’s fault when they won’t play the approved role they should when women hit their Epiphany Phase and their sexual priorities shift.

Confirming the Red Pill

If you needed a better illustration of the Solipsism inherent in women’s nature you’ll be hard pressed to find it on a bigger scale than the dozens of stories bemoaning the lack of marriageable men today. Furthermore, it goes to prove another Red Pill truth: as a man, women don’t care who you are as much as what you are. I’ve taken a lot of heat over the years over my assessment of how men and women have different concepts of love. Men love idealistically. I rarely get any pushback on that assertion, but when I layout how women’s Hypergamous natures predispose them to a concept of love based on opportunism men and women lose their minds.

Yet, here we are. Women enthusiastically proving my point for me without me having to do any heavy lifting. As women become more comfortable in Open Hypergamy we see this embracing of their nature proudly flaunted. Naturally women will double down on this.

Of course women don’t wanna marry no bum!

And then the Trad-Cons join the chorus,

It’s men’s fault they aren’t measuring up to being the men all women are entitled to.

There are dozens of studies that correlate divorce with women earning more than their husbands. In fact, women are reluctant to admit that they out-earn their husbands. Throughout the history of this blog I’ve shown the evolved reasons for this dynamic, but what the articles all dance around is women’s natural evolutionary desire for men who exceed them in all aspects. But because we’ve opted to believe in, and standardized on, social constructionism we lay all of that on “societal expectations” of men and women. In a future essay I’ll be defining how the cope of humans being ‘above it all’ in their evolved instincts is the root source of many deliberate misgivings about intersexual conflict. For now, understand that blaming any inconvenient intersexual truth on a nebulous “society” is the go-to rationale for a feminine-primary social order.

If only men would evolve and rise above what society foists on them we women would be happy” versus “Men need to accommodate women’s success by making themselves more ‘economically desirable’

And “Oh, but love is important too, *wink wink*.”

“Many young men today have little to bring to the marriage bargain, especially as young women’s educational levels on average now exceed their male suitors’,” Lichter says.

It’s interesting that some articles advocate for marriage as a “stabilizing force” in society, all while never (maybe deliberately) seeing the economic risks of disaster that the divorce industry incentivizes in women. There’s nothing stabilizing about promoting marriage between men you’ve deemed “economically unattractive” and women who feel entitled to a man who exceeds their Hypergamous expectations. There’s nothing ‘stabilizing’ about the incidence of divorce between couples where the man is unable to out-earn his wife.

Naturally we want to make this a ‘his‘ problem. He can’t get over the fact that she makes more, has more education, etc. He’s insecure in his masculinity and must feel threatened by Her success. Or it could be the fact that on an instinctual level he understands that it’s an evolved imperative for a man to provide for and protect his family. This is the fallacy of Rise Above It. No matter how enlightened and progressive we’d like to think we are nature drags us back to reality. It’s not a socially constructed problem – if it were it would be easily solved – it’s a human nature problem. Women reveal the true Hypergamous nature in articles like these. They want a man who they can naturally look up to, respect and admire. That’s the natural truth coming out, but they source the problem in a socially constructed fantasy that it’s men’s insecurities that are holding them back from completing women’s mating/life strategies.

Women don’t need to get married anymore. The average age of first marriage is hovering around 27 years old for most couples. Studies also show that more than half of young people in America don’t have a romantic partner. We’ve all but eliminated the Beta Bucks side of the Hypergamous equation for women. Open Hypergamy (and Open Cuckoldry) are the logical outcomes of this provisioning insurance we’ve made ubiquitous for women over the last 40 years. Yet, women still want to be married to a man who outclasses them in all areas of life. They feel they deserve that guy. Their hindbrain knows they do, but the nebulous society still encourages women to believe there’s never been a better time for them to be single. This is the message women are being fed as they complain about men’s not living up to being their “equals”.

Nearly half of working-age women will be single in 2030, a new Morgan Stanley study predicts, a demographic that will drive increased sales for companies in the athletic wear, cosmetics and clothing sectors.

The investment bank’s “Rise of the SHEconomy” report says 45 percent of working-age women between 25 and 44 in the U.S. will be single women in 10 years, Forbes reported.

Single women will drive the economy in the next decade and savvy businesses are already planning on exploiting this demographic. But yet it’s men’s fault for not being marriageable and/or avoiding marriage altogether?

Too many people think I’m down on marriage. Apparently 23 years of what most guys would consider an ideal marriage isn’t enough to convince them. Honestly, as an institution – socially enforced monogamy – I think marriage, based on evolved gender difference complementarity has been the foundation of the success of western culture. But maybe we’re at a turning point in human history where traditional marriage is left behind, replaced by feminine-primary polygamy with all its inherently violent risks. It seems we’re heading in a direction where we convince Beta men it’s in their reproductive interests to abandon their evolved need to be invested in their own paternity – and that attending to and raising the children of men that women selected before them makes them ‘better men’.

There’s a lot more to the anti-marriage reasoning than just the “losing half my stuff” arguments.

It really sucks for a guy like me who’s managed to make a Red Pill aware marriage work in spite of all this. Guys get confused. How can I be anti-marriage and still married? But it’s just that dichotomy that tells the you about the nature of what marriage has become for men today. The way we do marriage today has the potential to be the most damaging decision a man can make in his life. It may even end his life. But despite all that I still believe men and women are better together than we are apart. We still evolved to be complements to the other.

It’s the coming together and living together, and all the downside risks to men today that I have no solution for at the moment. Maybe it’s going to take a war or a meteor striking the earth to set gender parity back in balance, but at the moment there’s only a future of sexual segregation to look forward to.

Published by Rollo Tomassi

Author of The Rational Male and The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine

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As a housekeeping point for any young lurkers I don’t want you to “give up hope” get nihilistic. Whilst the system won’t allocate you “success” it is there to be taken if you have the right mindset. I’m still working out the @Softek challenge but for any other young lurkers I’ll say this: The economy is an absolutely enormous thing, and you only need a microscopic slice of it to own your own financial destiny. If you want genuine wealth and freedom then don’t look for it within the system, clear your mind of that and look for how you… Read more »

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@Blax Before I forget.

“Says who?”

Says Scrooge McDuck and the rest of the quackers that pass wealth on to their children.

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@SJF “Someone asked upstream about ditching his mother’s influence. Only if she was a bitch and not in his best interests…Otherwise not. If she had a true mother’s love.” That was me. I’m surprised by this response. It sounds like a pedestal position for the mother. Mothers in today’s culture, without a mooring in a healthy traditional/communal upbringing (read: a continuation of the healthy feminine) are pulled in all sorts of directions that are anathema to raising boys in particular, but children in general. As we’ve all learned, mothers are still women, and they have a tough time doing the… Read more »

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“PalmaSailor -As a housekeeping point for any young lurkers I don’t want you to “give up hope” get nihilistic. Whilst the system won’t allocate you “success” it is there to be taken if you have the right mindset.” Nice! I believe that with the knowledge and power that one acquires when taking the red pill, that the doors to a level of potential success in all aspects of life become even extremely elevated. In these times of decline of male value and inflated female value there are much more low hanging fruit to take. Now are the times for those… Read more »

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The burden of PERFORMANCE for a MAN has never changed it is hardwired into the each and every male that is born – and will never change – and is instilled to each and every man with extreme prejudice.

The burden of REPRODUCTION for WOMEN has never changed it is hardwired into the each and every female that is born – and is instilled to each and every woman with extreme prejudice.

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@Palma Good positive message, I’m about to embark on the entrepreneurial journey myself. I have been toying with the idea of doing it for years, reading the books etc. I’ve realized as of late I was just kidding myself, my nice cushy corporate job has been keeping me nice and comfortable and will I have amassed more coin than the average it’s lulled me into a life of nice and comfort which is not good. I’ve produced some very good solutions in my time that would have made me millions by now but because I produced them for my corporation… Read more »

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@foxguy

You’ve mentioned that before. I have no idea what you’re planning to do or whether I know anything about it.

I don’t know why you are worried about failing at this stage in the game, there are a lot of things you can put in place to make sure you don’t get in too deep with a failing concept before you actually do get in too deep.

Take it over to field reports (not really the right place) if you want to chew it over.

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Foxguy “I’ve produced some very good solutions in my time that would have made me millions by now but because I produced them for my corporation I got a couple of thousand in bonuses :).” Tread carefully. I’ve witnessed a few guys “throw off the shackles” and dive into starting a business with a suicidal bent. That’s not the way… Of the “solutions” you developed – did you identify the problem? The market size? The specific clients who purchased it? Did you have the skills and capital base to deliver through the whole sales cycle? Lot’s of guys are good… Read more »

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@foxguy There were lots of things I didn’t say: “Tread carefully. I’ve witnessed a few guys “throw off the shackles” and dive into starting a business with a suicidal bent. That’s not the way…” It’s one thing inventing a solution when you have the corporation behind you as a covenant that can be sued if it goes to shit (from a customers perspective). No one ever got fired buying HP right? It’s another thing selling something you’ve invented where the customer has no redress.. or bankrupting you if it goes to shit doesn’t get them paid. That’s why I suggested… Read more »

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Oh yeah and this:

“OK you say you have a partner who can handle all that? Get ready to add that to the list…”

Don’t do partners.

Someone is the daddy and someone is the bitch, you need to be the daddy or walk.

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Foxguy My own example. After quitting college and getting married in my early 20s I took the first job that came along with no thought at all other than “paycheck”. Basically a sales job in a very down market firm. After four months I had restructured the group I was assigned to amd basically explained to the president he should shut it down. The product was shit and we would never make money. This is something they had going for two years. He was impressed with my analysis. I had no idea what I was doing other than parsing out… Read more »

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@Sentient

“Fistfights on the floor happened.”

I can’t imagine EVER having done THAT..

Knew you had to be a pikey.. 😂

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nG_Nwp0wZc0

AND “no degree”

“Un marriageable” too then..

Damn..

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@Palma and @Sentient

Thank you both, I appreciate it. I’ll post my responses on field reports as suggested by Palma.

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The vast majority of these “women” are graduating in to jobs that will shrink or disappear as automation takes over. The vast majority of people I see working with me in fields that are directly building automation are men. I suspect there will be a hard flip of power that will make the screeching for UBI far louder, particularly with a “BUT MUH WAMMEN!” narrative angle being pushed. If they don’t get it just imagine the power those few men with paychecks will hold. Then imagine wielding all that power and staring at your fat, tattooed, loud-mouthed, boorish options for… Read more »

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What I don’t understand are the men who marry more than once. It’s like breaking back into jail…

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I know someone who has been married (and divorced) five times.
(not a punchline…or perhaps it is a punchline. True, at any rate)

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@Novaseeker I never said “man up and marry the sluts”, unlike our English interloper who is normally rather copiously uninformed, suggests. What I said was that it is true that most men today are poor marriage candidates, and that is simply the truth. They would be better marriage candidates if they were better men — that does not mean they need to get married. It does mean, though, that women’s complaint would shift from being about a lack of good men to being that men will not commit — and that, brothers, is a paradigm shift that actually shifts power… Read more »

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Perhaps something different is happening amongst high value men.

This profile on Inner Circle which I still check into from time to time but never even look at.

Others are similar but less overt.

I thought all women’s online dating profiles were flooded with incoming from “thirsty” men.

https://imgur.com/a/8T0p9Qn

I know one swallow doesn’t make a summer but perhaps it’s something totally different that’s happening, there are still lots of high value men – there are – if you change your gender preferences on the app it’s loaded with them – but perhaps they’re just not playing the game like they did.

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Researches show that female brains age slower, and pregnancy is good for smartness:

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/womens-metabolic-brain-age-around-three-years-younger-mens-180971425/

https://qz.com/590486/scientists-think-baby-brain-makes-you-smarter-and-more-organized-not-less/

So women do not have to be obsessed with education and career from early youth.

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Would women react by improving their own value in the mating market? Is that what your argument basically is? Maybe they would and maybe they wouldn’t. It would certainly create different pressures on women if they experienced that there were plenty of well-qualified men around who were simply not interested in committing to them. The overall point, though, is that men are empowered rather than disempowered by improving themselves — whether they are interested in something committed or not. It simply gives a man more options, and that always tends to swing the power balance towards himself when it comes… Read more »

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@Novaseeker

It would certainly create different pressures on women if they experienced that there were plenty of well-qualified men around who were simply not interested in committing to them.

…and yet you state that “the problem isn’t women — women are being themselves”, “women are fine”, “women have simply adapted to the changed culture and context”. This doesn’t add up, and you know that. You also probably know that the apex fallacy has been discussed over and over in the Manosphere. I advise you not to fall for that fallacy yourself when it comes to women.

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It’s an issue of reaction. People in general are reactionary.

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@ J

My brother from another mother…..

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=A-KzhNURkzk

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Good video.

That Cannon thing was very similar to how I left my first company. basically the investors, led by a devious partner, wanted to shackle me with golden handcuffs, but take a lesser role, and I said “nah”… and quit.

They did not see that coming. Like really could not even comprehend…

There is a line and you either live up to it or you don’t. That switch has to be able to flip.

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…and yet you state that “the problem isn’t women — women are being themselves”, “women are fine”, “women have simply adapted to the changed culture and context”. This doesn’t add up, and you know that. How so? Man change and improve their prospects. The problem actually isn’t women. It’s what the men themselves are doing. Women will react or not — that’s their call. Generally speaking, the ones who react most adaptively will be successful, and the ones who don’t, won’t. And women generally tend to be reactive as well. So I don’t see how “it doesn’t add up” unless… Read more »

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@Sentient / All

“I left my first company. basically the investors, led by a devious partner, wanted to shackle me with golden handcuffs, but take a lesser role, and I said “nah”… and quit.”

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0PTIo-73_g

Repeat after me:

Palmasailor Golden Rule..

“He who delivers and owns the customer owns the business”

And ….

Can walk off with it if he’s pissed off enough and wants to.

And @Sentient did..

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@Novaseeker You said it yourself: What I said was that it is true that most men today are poor marriage candidates, and that is simply the truth. They would be better marriage candidates if they were better men — that does not mean they need to get married. It does mean, though, that women’s complaint would shift from being about a lack of good men to being that men will not commit If women are “fine” and well-adapted, all those self-improved, self-actualized men would commit to them. Right? But the reality is that you can look at any symptom of… Read more »

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@Novaseeker There was a time 25 or so years ago when the social changes were so new that it was reasonable to give men slack for not being fully caught up. There was a natural “lag” at that point, and there was no internet to go to for instant information. That isn’t the case today, and hasn’t been the case for more than a decade. For men today to be ignorant really isn’t a valid excuse at all — the information is all there, and it’s all hiding in plain sight. That’s increasingly not the case. Websites providing Red Pill… Read more »

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@Palmasailor @HABD That’s a long post and I’ll have to read it several times but in first passing I’ll say this: I’ve believed for a very long time (30 or so years) that the system despises me. The only reason it even allows me to exist and function is so that it can tax me, and it does that reluctantly. It places regulations and controls over almost all activities and it only very reluctantly allows me any “freedom”. It would rather I didn’t exist at all. that ‘regulation’ and control (as well as the whole ‘criminal tax system’ where they… Read more »

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“Gentlemen, in the little moment that remains to us between the crisis and the catastrophe, we may as well drink a glass of Champagne.”

Paul Claudel, shortly before his retirement from the French diplomatic corps in 1936, when he not only could see it coming, but could see no way it could be avoided.

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@HABD

This stuff is good. Equivalent to snobbish french stuff about 6 times the price.

Need to let it stand in the cold for the sediment to drop then bring it inside to warm up and decant carefully about 6 hours before drinking.

https://www.waitrosecellar.com/top-12-fine-wines/chateau-musar

Rumour has it that the missed vintages are because the stock was wiped out by bombings, apart from that it’s the perfect grape for the climate.

And probably the right wine for the declkne as it’s used to adversity.

Should be brilliant with long pork..

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@HABD

This stuff is good. Equivalent to snobbish french stuff about 6 times the price.

Need to let it stand in the cold for the sediment to drop then bring it inside to warm up and decant carefully about 6 hours before drinking.

https://www.waitrosecellar.com/top-12-fine-wines/chateau-musar

Rumour has it that the missed vintages are because the stock was wiped out by bombings, apart from that it’s the perfect grape for the climate.

And probably the right wine for the declkne as it’s used to adversity.

Should be brilliant with long pork..

hmmm, that seems to be infused with just the right amount of BFYTW!…lol

good luck!

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“BFYTW!…lol”

Sorry.. I’m on a late dinner down here and the interpreter isn’t working 😳

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Palma

Because Fuck You, That’s Why

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If women are “fine” and well-adapted, all those self-improved, self-actualized men would commit to them. Right? But the reality is that you can look at any symptom of social dysfunction and degeneracy, and you’ll find that it affects men and women equally, but the effect on women is swept under the carpet. After all, when was the last time you heard anyone outside the Manosphere even mention the effect the widespread consumption of romance novels and other forms of emotional pornography has on the romantic expectations and behaviors of young single women? What about the rising rates of alcoholism and… Read more »

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@thedeti

“There’s no way to know how often that happened”

There is actually, there’s data somewhere that says something to the effect that everyone has twice as many female ancestors than male ones.

So what’s the math on that?

20% of the men getting 80% of the women pregnant can’t be far off.

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Palma,

Lol, there’s no way ever that I’d believe that 20% of men got 80% of women.

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@Blax

Came from an old friend of mine that’s a Dr of mathematics.

I might have my knickers in a twist slightly but I’ve just e mailed him asking for his workings and will post those back here.

If everyone has twice as many female ancestors than male ones it’s not far off

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Everyone is a sticking point in my mind. It’s a big world with a long history.

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@ Blax

“Everyone”

Going back over hundreds of years the math levels it out.

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As i think about it, another thing that’s probably going to happen is that marriage in the way we understand it, with one man and one woman, going to the state and getting a marriage certificate and making it all legal, is probably going to go by the wayside, but that will be a gradual change. I see more and more men and women partnering up and doing serial monogamy their entire lives. Starter wives and husbands, then to second and third partnerings that aren’t real marriages. Or one man and one woman together for life with kids and house… Read more »

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“There is actually, there’s data somewhere that says something to the effect that everyone has twice as many female ancestors than male ones. So what’s the math on that?” Some men only have daughters. Sometimes many daughters. I have a granddaughter who has blue eyes. I don’t have blue eyes, nor do my wife or daughter. My granddaughter gets her blue eyes in part from my father, who had blue eyes. Obviously, my father and I both reproduced, despite me not having a son. If you only look at the Y-chromosome, you’re making a mistake. Don’t believe bullshit like “there’s… Read more »

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Hi deti! ” If you think you’re going to have a “traditional marriage” where you don’t have to do much to maintain it” There’s a lie that men didn’t used to have to maintain their marriage. Marriage has never been thus. It’s just that men were prepared by other men to be more manly and more attractive to women. And men did maintain their marriage by maintaining their manliness and enforcing their boundaries and not being insecure and flirting with their wives. Even betas used to do this. I encountered something a little peculiar. I asked a married woman to… Read more »

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100 to what’s been said by Nova and Deti. I think another component in the problem with telling men that they need to ” self improve ” in any fashion, is that the men being told this can be clueless as to what that means, or how to go about it – even if you break it down for them ( ie: lift/be strong and healthy, stand up for yourself and avoid pussyism, wash your ass and comb your hair….etc). Many times, especially with males younger than 30, when you say ” be sexually attractive “, their minds go to… Read more »

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Great post, Rollo. I agree that the sexual marketplace is definitely in for a rude awakening, but as history has shown us, very few societies can last longer than a few centuries. I predict that the US will see a huge drop in marriage rates, while the top 1% of chads reap all the rewards. We’re already seeing this, but I think it will get way worse. What will probably happen then, is that all of these young men without any chance at having a sustainable relationship will grow violent. This will create a breeding ground for civil war. Unfortunately,… Read more »

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” predict that the US will see a huge drop in marriage rates, while the top 1% of chads reap all the rewards. We’re already seeing this, but I think it will get way worse. The top 1%? are you sure about this? The top 1% will reap all of the rewards? Nah. That’s a stretch. “What will probably happen then, is that all of these young men without any chance at having a sustainable relationship will grow violent. This will create a breeding ground for civil war.” Nope. If there’s any impetus for a ” civil war ” (… Read more »

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@Blax LOL@ the post with the Chad picture. Yes, that’s pretty much @j’s thinking summarized right there. @Blax/Palma On the 20% of men/80% of women ancestors thing – Palma is right. I can’t remember the exact proportions but I’ve read that in more than one place and the numbers Palma mentions are in the right ballpark. It’s pretty much well established that historically far more women reproduced than men, and if you actually run the numbers on that it comes to pretty much what Palma said. @Palma On that Inner Circle dating thing – your screenshot leaves out the woman’s… Read more »

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@Culum “@Palma On that Inner Circle dating thing – your screenshot leaves out the woman’s age (and how attractive she is) which are both crucial factors. However, I too know a couple of late 20s/early 30s HB6-7s (basically, cute girls, decent shape, not boring) who say the same thing about Tinder/OKCupid and how they don’t get any matches or messages at all (not just from Chads) etc. So there is certainly something there (I’m talking about conversations from 4-5 years ago too). In one case I even looked at the Tinder app on her phone and saw relatively few messages… Read more »

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Palma, yes, so this online dating thing is interesting. My approach to the “3pm cancellation” was just to assume it was going to happen and either double book dates or have an alternative plan always available (for first dates when I hadn’t met the girl before). Even 4-5 years ago when I was in the peak of my online dating, the first date flake rate was 50% plus. I’ve had a similar path to you in the sense that I’ve wound down my online dating. Even back in the day, the effort/reward ratio for messages/dates wasn’t really worth it and… Read more »

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“It would be interesting to see the dating apps’ internal figures about customer engagement use and whether there is a drop in male use” The ones who have dropped out are the bottom of the 80% of males. Because they got fed up with getting zero matches (or the girls they did end up matching with (because online guys typically swipe right on everything) were hb3-5s. And they figured paying that monthly premium (whatever the cost for that is) for them wasn’t worth it). Chads are still dominating tinder/bumble. Just that it isn’t as easy as it used to be… Read more »

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@Culum

Last point as I have to dash, on Inner Circle, I don’t have to pay, I can message who I like.

But they do have to pay to message me.

They all put their Instagram etc.. to try to get round it.

But if they want to use the app, they have to pay and I don’t.

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@thedeti I read Novaseeker as saying in his comments on this post, that women have adapted within this particular milieu. In other words, women noted the changes and have adapted to them. It helps that the changes were geared to them and prepared with them in mind. But women have adapted, and men have not. You can observe women’s usual behavior, then turn around and tell me with a straight face that all that meets the dictionary definition of „adaptation”, and I’ll believe you. But if you then try to convince me that men’s behavior, on the other hand, does… Read more »

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@Blaximus

Palma,

Lol, there’s no way ever that I’d believe that 20% of men got 80% of women.

In fact, not only did it happen, but the ratio used to be much more lopsided:

https://psmag.com/environment/17-to-1-reproductive-success

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In Hollenhund’s laughable article, you find gems like the following: “Ethnic Africans and Europeans had to evolve to digest milk”.

Yep, babies couldn’t digest breast milk. It’s true. Some pointy head said it and I believe it. :):):)

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Yep, babies couldn’t digest breast milk.

That article was sloppy. It should have read ‘cow’s milk’. There a specific genetic mutation in humans for the ability to produce the enzyme to break down lactose

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In fact, not only did it happen, but the ratio used to be much more lopsided:
https://psmag.com/environment/17-to-1-reproductive-success

True.
This was even documented in the Bible.
As well as the following children’s Sunday school song:
Father Abraham, had many sons,
Many sons ha father Abraham,
And I am one of them, and so are you…
so let’s all praise the Lord
right arm left arm nod your head turn around sit down….

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@Palmasailor Sentient ?? “BFYTW!…lol” Sentient told you what the acronym stands for, but i think it’s interesting because it’s a direct reaction to the liberal ideological ‘defense’ of ‘because’…lol normie: why do you believe THAT is true? (whatever stupid cultural assertion liberal/progressives make) sjw: because… [expecting this ‘argument’ to carry the debate…) normie: because why? (really trying to understand…) sjw: BECAUSE… normie: because WHY? sjw: BECAUSE!!!!!!…. [storming off in a huff… before trying to dox the normie for ‘bad think’…]…lol normie: ????WTF??? that^^ is just an ideological defense of a cultural belief… that really CAN’T have any grounding in reality…lol…… Read more »

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Seems to me that Novaseeker is merely embodying the spirit of Male Hierarchy. If anybody should be calling out weak men, it’s strong, healthy men. The issue is the preponderance of weak men make society wobbly and chaotic, which is bad for everyone. Reading between the lines of books like Sex at Dawn and Manthropology (the later a fun read, if taken in the spirit it’s offered) one sees that men always had to be taught by other men to man-up through rites of passage (morphing into apprenticeships and mentorship programs in the market system) Women cannot do this for… Read more »

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Once again, with feeling:

Understand what’s happening with” society “, then decouple from it and all its fuckery immediately.

Learn how to navigate and use societal nonsense to your benefit instead of just blindly joining in and being a dutiful follower.

The whole” tree ” thing? Men shouldn’t give any fucks about this. If you ignore all of that outside of just hearing it, it’s pretty hard not to be an oak.

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@Blax

The “tree thing” is just a metaphor, a teaching tool,ie. Another way to put things.

Just trying to be helpful, and suggesting some books I enjoyed that relate to the current topic and red-pill.

As HABD would say, good luck!

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@Culum I’ve had 29 profile views in the last 7 days. https://imgur.com/a/7mlq0KN Not kidding though, it’s been ticking up for the past few months from a base thats been literally zero for years, and I haven’t changed the profile. There’s almost no bio, a shirtless shot, and a couple of others. It’s shit. I’ve made no effort. Plus I’ve had 2 open me in the last 7 days. That hasn’t happened for years – back when I had a better bio. There was a comment by Anon over at Dalrock on the “weakened signal” Looking at the ratios and suggesting… Read more »

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Palma

solid 40’s demo… It’s so sad really…

“look at me!!! look at me in the shop window!!! Somebody tell me I’m prettty!!!”

Wager more than half have some kind of “strong independent” bio…

This kind of display, this neediness is such a turn off. I don’t think I could ever online date.

How were the ones that opened you?

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This is what I was looking for:

pa·thet·ic
/pəˈTHedik/
adjective: pathetic
1.
arousing pity, especially through vulnerability or sadness.

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“Meanwhile Zaddy’s are taking over…”

How much money will you spend to look like you shop at the salvation army. Three outa five look like they are expecting flood waters or are wearing handmedown slacks. The other two are OK looks.

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“Not kidding though, it’s been ticking up for the past few months from a base thats been literally zero for years, and I haven’t changed the profile.”

Your a trend setter, or the global situation is spiking hypergamy and these women are giving up their independence for a strong protector.

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Men shouldn’t give any fucks about this. If you ignore all of that outside of just hearing it, it’s pretty hard not to be an oak.

I was wondering what piece of shit are you?

Person with Dissociative Personality Disorder
Person with Avoidant Personality Disorder
Person with Split Multiple Personality Disorder

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@Sentient

“How were the ones that opened you?”

I’d post them but I’ve deleted them for my own security.

Place is banged out with lawyers and HR specialists, plus there are some “diversity and inclusion” types now showing up.

All strong and independent of course. Mainly childless.

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Damn we’re onto race again??? I just had a breakthrough on male nature and fatherhood and shit. Literal cow manure. Just my fucking luck. I’ll have to catch up with this later.

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“That article was sloppy. It should have read ‘cow’s milk’. There a specific genetic mutation in humans for the ability to produce the enzyme to break down lactose” We are all born with that gene…some people lose the ability somewhere in adulthood…something must happen to make that gene ineffective in some people…the lactase regulation gene is recessive, which means that heterozygous genes allow lactose digestion…the fact that the loss of lactase expression in adulthood requires homozygous genes indicates that the recessive gene is a mutation…so lactose tolerance into adulthood used to be the norm at some point all across the… Read more »

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@Wahoo

I’m not setting any trends but I do think there’s a market shift.

And I think it’s more dramatic than everyone thinks.

This is the sum total of my bio – just to keep the account open really:

“It’s probably about time I took dating a bit more seriously. Or perhaps not..”

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Palma, these old professional gals are piling up like driftwood after the spring runoff. You are what they are looking for but they don’t know or care what you want. I’ve talked to some and they are all brag about their accomplishments and assets( trying to qualify themselves to me. LOL) but they aren’t happy not even the ones with children. They are looking for the rugged individualist or they wouldn’t give me the time of day. My main problem with it is they don’t know how to overcome strength by taking the lower position in other words not in… Read more »

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Palma, also on another note the same age group of women are increasing in the local homeless sector. I am starting to see more of them than the men. This is a sign of an overwhelmed system that deals with these types. Like driftwood.

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@thedeti If you want women and sex, you’re going to have to make yourself attractive to women. And the way you’re going to do that, the ONLY way to do that, is to stand out. Yes, but the trading plane has grown substantively more tilted against men. Before you’d work 5 and get 3, now you should work 8 or 9 to get 1 or 2. Girls compare you with all the men they see on Facebook and other social media/dating apps. Also, their parents no longer have a say in their choices — hardworking betas with heavy degrees got… Read more »

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In other words… the red pill hasn’t improved my success with women; it has brought it down to nought. I had the most success when I was blue pill. I had half the success when I was half red pill. I have had zero success since I am completely redpilled. Even if I was given a great body, a swollen wallet, and lofty social status/career tomorrow, playing the mating rituals would still have me sickened, and very angry, at nature if nothing/no-one else. I am not even black pill now. I still think life has pleasant sides, and moments, and… Read more »

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Lol.

Jesus.

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“Yes, but the trading plane has grown substantively more tilted against men.” …well, as men grow weaker in the knees, the plane may seem to become more tilted… “Also, the very idea that I have to work to get her while she has to stay there, mentally idle, and do the picking, “ …that’s the angry MGTOW view, but it ain’t reality…I know when pretty girls hit on me late at night that their options are limited…not ragging on myself, but I know that they are hanging around late at the bar without meeting ‘Chad’ and they’ve been hit on… Read more »

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“Even if I was given a great body, a swollen wallet, and lofty social status/career tomorrow, playing the mating rituals would still have me sickened, and very angry, at nature if nothing/no-one else.”

Why are you angry? Have you examined yourself?

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“Also, the very idea that I have to work to get her while she has to stay there, mentally idle”

…more like in a constant state of insecurity and worry…and girls are experts at hiding their emotions when they want to…girls look mentally idle, but they aren’t…girls worry that other girls are prettier, so they throw themselves at men…the prettier girls worry that men aren’t approaching them enough and that they might lose out to less attractive girls (which happens a lot)…men will mate down, unlike women…

…so you need to become truly Red Pill…

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“Yes, but the trading plane has grown substantively more tilted against men. Before you’d work 5 and get 3, now you should work 8 or 9 to get 1 or 2. Girls compare you with all the men they see on Facebook and other social media/dating apps.” The ” trading plane “(?) has grown substantively more tilted against weak men. FIFY. Serious question, because I get a little tired of the ” Girls do this…” thrown out as indisputable fact. Do you actually see, with one or both of your own eyes, girls comparing you yourself with all of the… Read more »

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Sentient

Lol, we’re ” cosmically ” connected or some shit.

Thanks for posting this –

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/04/t-magazine/zaddy.html

As I was explaining in a way to TT, Shit’s happening to my body more rapidly and it’s time to get back to serious work. I’m starting to suffer from ” old man ass ” where your pants start sagging a bit in the rear. Gotta address this shit before I wind up like this in a couple of years
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Zaddy’s rule!!!! Lol.

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So much red stuff or whatever in here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OX3cRSsBlJk

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“Gotta address this shit before I wind up like this in a couple of years”

Luv this comment…chicks seem to dig guys with small butts…my butt has definitely shrunk from what it was when I was younger…girls touch it a lot now, lol…

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I’ll cosign on the mating market shift, something I can see also. I was out hiking with a guy with a guy this week, after talking he confessed porn was just easier for him at this point than dealing with women at this point, this is a fit guy, not autistic, decent socially, has a house/job, etc. Contrary to common red pill wisdom, not all non redpill guys are white knights, some understand the game but just have no wish to play it. In the coming years women are going to start piling up as they hit their late 30s/40s… Read more »

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@HABD
“men restructure themselves for ‘themselves’ (like Novaseeker is suggesting)… that focus is much different… and the results won’t be ‘civilization’…”

This is on the money, prior to red pill I was a lot more civic/society minded and would take that into consideration. Post red pill the improvement is for myself and myself only and those whom I choose to share it with. The results will not definitely be “civilization” but rather tribal/familial.

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@TT

“Even if I was given a great body, a swollen wallet”

There’s your problem right there.

No ones ever going to give you anything, you have to do the work for anything you want.

Including women.

By the way, You could have a great body without money. Criminals in prison have great bodies even without a gym, they work out manually.

By the way my body needs improvement, but at least I admit it’s down to me to make that happen and I’m not going to be “given” it.

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“when the university considered race, it did so only to benefit applicants’ chances — as a “plus” factor — not to hurt them.”

https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEC2Fpc2qF0V8M2HkR8dbNhYqFwgEKg8IACoHCAowjuuKAzCWrzwwloEY?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen

Good news Chinamen… Your race isn’t a negative. It’s just not a positive.

Not sure where to file this?

Under “racism is a social construct” or “some animals are more equal than others”…

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@Sentient: file it under “Quotas are discrimination”, same kind of thing. In a zero sum game (and admissions is clearly zero sum), positively benefiting one is the same as negatively affecting everyone else, and discriminating one is the same as positively affecting everyone else. This isn’t even that hard to get… But I’m still unsure on this: “when the university considered race, it did so only to benefit applicants’ chances — as a “plus” factor — not to hurt them.” my doubt is whether whoever wrote that is actually just putting positive spin on it intentionally or if they actually… Read more »

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I was out and it tricky business park the other night eaves dropping on successful business women in their 30s and 40s chatting about how there are no professional white collar and choose from as they are all taken, but there’s a lot of skilled treatment at blue collar men yet none of the women dared to show interest with one another seeking these prospective men as they apparently feared embarrassment or lowering their expected sexual market value being associated with lowering their social status. Yet ironically almost all of my successful blue-collar skilled tradesmen are dating or married to… Read more »

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Off-Post, but On-Blog topic:

Any of you guys watch Tim Pool?
A couple videos of his from the past 5 days or so are HILARIOUS….
Keep in mind Tim is very very deeply blue-pill, but he’s not a dishonest person. He just clings to specific beliefs and has reasons for doing so. He will, however, confront all lies including those in his own life (given time).

First one, September 29th

Follow-up, October 1st

Enjoy.

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Has anyone picked up on the fact that’s Corey Worthington (a.k.a. “Alpha Buddha”) in the cover pic??
RT’s selection is no accident.

The irony of Corey settling for that landmass😆

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@tucsonrazorbacks It’s not really ironic. It’s woman just assuming that men they deem “beneath” them are automatically available to them by virtue of their “superiority”. What they don’t get is that very often men that do real manual labour are very much more in touch with the reality of what work has to be done in return for the pay check than a lot of white collar men and any white collar women. They understand and dislike these women and wouldn’t touch them. Also a lot of them are in good shape because they work all day and can get… Read more »

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The irony of Corey settling for that landmass😆

Funny, isn’t it? But this blog has hailed him as the standard of Alphahood.

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