Unmarriageable

This week there’ve been a rash of articles all outlining the latest statistics about marriage in this decade. US marriage rates are at a 150 year low and, if you believe the all-female article writers, it’s of course men’s fault for failing to be marriageable. These articles are referencing a study published last week titled Mismatches in the Marriage Market and this study reveals large deficits in the supply of potential male spouses. One implication is that the unmarried may remain unmarried or marry less well‐suited partners.

That’s right gentlemen, you’re unmarriageable and the ladies want you to shape up. If you want to experience marital bliss – despite all the inherent personal dangers for men in today’s “marriage economy” – you must make yourself “economically attractive“:

“Most American women hope to marry, but current shortages of marriageable men — men with a stable job and a good income — make this increasingly difficult,” says lead author Daniel Lichter in a press release.

The stats don’t lie and they are pretty bleak. More women are enrolled in college than ever before and more are expected to enter through the middle of the coming decade. Now, a degree doesn’t guarantee a woman a job, and it says nothing about the majors and job sectors women prefer, but a college education does reinforce the idea that women are entitled to marry an economically attractive man who himself has an education and enough aspiration to make something of himself to become marriageable.

That’s some real shit right there and we’re not even half way through this post. We’ve gotten to the point where the truth of the past five decades is apparent; gendered politics has actively, openly, disadvantaged men in terms of education. Whether this hobbling of men is via educational dispensations (Title IX) or social conventions (divorce, child support, Duluth model feminism) the outcome is now unignorable.

In most western societies today there is a separate standard of justice that applies to women. Women are receive far fewer consequences and are sentenced much more leniently than men for committing the exact same crimes. These are easily proven statistics, but even when they are brought to light the gynocentric social order doubles down and justifies them because, women.

My intent here today isn’t to depress anyone. Neither am I drawing attention to this because I’ve made a new turn to the Men Rights Movement. No doubt there’ve been many article already written about the female hubris inherent in these revelations – revelations the Red Pill community has been pointing out for almost two decades now.

The manifestations of about 50 years of social changes produced by a feminine-primary social order are unignorable. Even mainstream media sources are finally seeing these stories as the red meat du jour for the masses now. A lot of the Red Pill principles and I and many other men in the Manosphere have been drawing attention to about intersexual dynamics are now coming to light in popular consciousness.

Aww Quit Complaining

Last year I delivered the State of the Manosphere Address, and in that talk I outlined the rise of what I saw as a new Gender War (or gender cold war). Naturally I was called a reactionary, and have been since described as “overly negative” even by the organization that asked me to deliver that speech. But yet, everything in that outline has come to pass in less than a year. Of course, the easy dismissal is to blame this on election year propaganda. More than one mainstream talkshow conservative has jumped on the Toxic Masculinity bandwagon, pointing out how the Left and mainstream feminism are one and the same.

However, there have been many swings of the political pendulum in the past 50 years. Conservative zeitgeists have contributed to the same feminine-primary social order that’s resulted in men being unmarriageable today. It’s just been good politics to appeal to the Feminine Imperative no matter what side of the political aisle you happen to sit on.

But I’m a man. I’m not supposed to be overly concerned with issues like this. As long as I’m measuring up to my Burden of Performance any marginal raising-of-awareness to truths like the ones above make me seem like I’m complaining. And that’s something men are never allowed to do. It’s a very effective way of silencing men. Get them to feel like they ought to silence themselves. Real men don’t complain.

Meanwhile, it’s Broke Men who are hurting American Women’s Marriage Prospects. My good friend Dalrock once wrote a series of post around the idea that feminism would be so much more successful if men would only cooperate with it. When women are unable to optimally complete their mating (and life’s) strategies it’s men’s fault for being uncooperative. It’s men’s fault when women’s life plans don’t come together as Sheryl Sandberg told them it would. It’s men’s fault when they won’t play the approved role they should when women hit their Epiphany Phase and their sexual priorities shift.

Confirming the Red Pill

If you needed a better illustration of the Solipsism inherent in women’s nature you’ll be hard pressed to find it on a bigger scale than the dozens of stories bemoaning the lack of marriageable men today. Furthermore, it goes to prove another Red Pill truth: as a man, women don’t care who you are as much as what you are. I’ve taken a lot of heat over the years over my assessment of how men and women have different concepts of love. Men love idealistically. I rarely get any pushback on that assertion, but when I layout how women’s Hypergamous natures predispose them to a concept of love based on opportunism men and women lose their minds.

Yet, here we are. Women enthusiastically proving my point for me without me having to do any heavy lifting. As women become more comfortable in Open Hypergamy we see this embracing of their nature proudly flaunted. Naturally women will double down on this.

Of course women don’t wanna marry no bum!

And then the Trad-Cons join the chorus,

It’s men’s fault they aren’t measuring up to being the men all women are entitled to.

There are dozens of studies that correlate divorce with women earning more than their husbands. In fact, women are reluctant to admit that they out-earn their husbands. Throughout the history of this blog I’ve shown the evolved reasons for this dynamic, but what the articles all dance around is women’s natural evolutionary desire for men who exceed them in all aspects. But because we’ve opted to believe in, and standardized on, social constructionism we lay all of that on “societal expectations” of men and women. In a future essay I’ll be defining how the cope of humans being ‘above it all’ in their evolved instincts is the root source of many deliberate misgivings about intersexual conflict. For now, understand that blaming any inconvenient intersexual truth on a nebulous “society” is the go-to rationale for a feminine-primary social order.

If only men would evolve and rise above what society foists on them we women would be happy” versus “Men need to accommodate women’s success by making themselves more ‘economically desirable’

And “Oh, but love is important too, *wink wink*.”

“Many young men today have little to bring to the marriage bargain, especially as young women’s educational levels on average now exceed their male suitors’,” Lichter says.

It’s interesting that some articles advocate for marriage as a “stabilizing force” in society, all while never (maybe deliberately) seeing the economic risks of disaster that the divorce industry incentivizes in women. There’s nothing stabilizing about promoting marriage between men you’ve deemed “economically unattractive” and women who feel entitled to a man who exceeds their Hypergamous expectations. There’s nothing ‘stabilizing’ about the incidence of divorce between couples where the man is unable to out-earn his wife.

Naturally we want to make this a ‘his‘ problem. He can’t get over the fact that she makes more, has more education, etc. He’s insecure in his masculinity and must feel threatened by Her success. Or it could be the fact that on an instinctual level he understands that it’s an evolved imperative for a man to provide for and protect his family. This is the fallacy of Rise Above It. No matter how enlightened and progressive we’d like to think we are nature drags us back to reality. It’s not a socially constructed problem – if it were it would be easily solved – it’s a human nature problem. Women reveal the true Hypergamous nature in articles like these. They want a man who they can naturally look up to, respect and admire. That’s the natural truth coming out, but they source the problem in a socially constructed fantasy that it’s men’s insecurities that are holding them back from completing women’s mating/life strategies.

Women don’t need to get married anymore. The average age of first marriage is hovering around 27 years old for most couples. Studies also show that more than half of young people in America don’t have a romantic partner. We’ve all but eliminated the Beta Bucks side of the Hypergamous equation for women. Open Hypergamy (and Open Cuckoldry) are the logical outcomes of this provisioning insurance we’ve made ubiquitous for women over the last 40 years. Yet, women still want to be married to a man who outclasses them in all areas of life. They feel they deserve that guy. Their hindbrain knows they do, but the nebulous society still encourages women to believe there’s never been a better time for them to be single. This is the message women are being fed as they complain about men’s not living up to being their “equals”.

Nearly half of working-age women will be single in 2030, a new Morgan Stanley study predicts, a demographic that will drive increased sales for companies in the athletic wear, cosmetics and clothing sectors.

The investment bank’s “Rise of the SHEconomy” report says 45 percent of working-age women between 25 and 44 in the U.S. will be single women in 10 years, Forbes reported.

Single women will drive the economy in the next decade and savvy businesses are already planning on exploiting this demographic. But yet it’s men’s fault for not being marriageable and/or avoiding marriage altogether?

Too many people think I’m down on marriage. Apparently 23 years of what most guys would consider an ideal marriage isn’t enough to convince them. Honestly, as an institution – socially enforced monogamy – I think marriage, based on evolved gender difference complementarity has been the foundation of the success of western culture. But maybe we’re at a turning point in human history where traditional marriage is left behind, replaced by feminine-primary polygamy with all its inherently violent risks. It seems we’re heading in a direction where we convince Beta men it’s in their reproductive interests to abandon their evolved need to be invested in their own paternity – and that attending to and raising the children of men that women selected before them makes them ‘better men’.

There’s a lot more to the anti-marriage reasoning than just the “losing half my stuff” arguments.

It really sucks for a guy like me who’s managed to make a Red Pill aware marriage work in spite of all this. Guys get confused. How can I be anti-marriage and still married? But it’s just that dichotomy that tells the you about the nature of what marriage has become for men today. The way we do marriage today has the potential to be the most damaging decision a man can make in his life. It may even end his life. But despite all that I still believe men and women are better together than we are apart. We still evolved to be complements to the other.

It’s the coming together and living together, and all the downside risks to men today that I have no solution for at the moment. Maybe it’s going to take a war or a meteor striking the earth to set gender parity back in balance, but at the moment there’s only a future of sexual segregation to look forward to.

Published by Rollo Tomassi

Author of The Rational Male and The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine

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“Novaseeker – The problem isn’t women — women are being themselves. The problem is men — men today, by and large, suck, period. Most men are lazy, worthless and weak. We know this just by looking around. ” Ah, Novaseeker spits on the weak men created from the good times that have been created by strong men But then redeems himself; “Novaseeker – What I said was that it is true that most men today are poor marriage candidates, and that is simply the truth. They would be better marriage candidates if they were better men — that does not… Read more »

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“Novaseeker- Women are fine. Women have simply adapted to the changed culture and context — a context which allows women full reproductive choice (due to reprod tech being easily available and legal) and full economic independence (due to the economy moving away from industry and into service/knowledge/office work). They have adapted. ” and of course Novaseeker the current western woman has adapted…..I call bullshit….least you forget that woman are collectivists – give them divorce privilege and they shall take, give them food and they shall land whale, give them degrees and they will ask where are all the good men.… Read more »

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men are unmarriageable – who cares fucc marriage – western marriage is fucced

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” . . . in this generation average guys get nothing . . .”

On the other hand, all average guys of this generation need to do to rise above average is to put in an effort. Any effort at all will do, as so few do even that.

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I work the oilfields, make bank and not in the best of physical shape, but women can smell a mile away my beta provisioning emanating aura when I’m either receiving interest or projecting interest. Once I speak and show fervency, their filters quickly show reaction to submission or dominance. There’s no between. I’m confident that western women extrapolate their innate filtering systems based on Hollywood cinema and media. I don’t have these problems with less media dominated foreign women who seemingly come across as “real” and uncontaminated with meaningless social constructs which they don’t allow to control their cultures. Western… Read more »

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“You should be a dancing monkey for a cheap and liability filled hole!”

Spoken like a merchant. You do realize that once you’ve actually emptied your balls without going through a bunch of bullshit you realize they’re demanding a price higher than it’s worth right? No, of course not because you are a merchant, and if men get bored and walk away from your shop that leaves you holding the bag.

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“So what hope is there for the average husband?” average…that bar is set so low… if you are happy being merely average, it’s your life, but don’t expect any respect from women or most men…or from yourself! …last Friday night I went out and didn’t have a good time…was thinking about stopping going out…then I realized that it was my own fault that I didn’t have a good time…I wasn’t bringing the party to people and wasn’t being fun and I wasn’t getting any energy from going out and I was feeling drained…my own fault for being average…now I know… Read more »

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😂

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I think people have too many anti-social tendencies to take advantage of what they’ve got. Besides, it sucks finding out that your mother was trying to raise you as a back-up beta provider.

This marriage thing isn’t just Red Pills vs MGTOWs(They’re on the same spectrum as far as I am concerned). It’s a social problem.

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@Rabbi Forgive me for not thinking this through because I’m out on my own having Sunday lunch and just publicly chewing it over but what you’re seeing is the end of marriage 2.0 It WAS an exchange mechanism whereby men unwittingly traded long term provisioning for short term sexual access. Now women have “EQUALITY!!” What they’re saying is that these men now represent a downgrade and don’t qualify for the transaction. Most high powered STRONG INDEPENDENT WOMEN that I have ever met deep down know they are living a lie and want a man to come along and take the… Read more »

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@tucsonrazorbacks

“I don’t have these problems with less media dominated foreign women”

Actually what you’re seeing is that you have such a colossally higher SMV (comprised partly of you making bank and also western heritage) than the foreign women.

That’s what’s spiking their interest.

You could achieve that with domestic women if you could find one slim enough to be worth the effort; but it would require a mindset change and game – which you should learn anyway.

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And if you think sexual politics already are going to hell, just waiit until a $1000 monthly “Universal Basic Income” further distorts reality.

Best comment section in a while, I think, off of a solid Rollopost. Just “The SHEconomy” alone was worth the price of admission.

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“I’m confident that western women extrapolate their innate filtering systems based on Hollywood cinema and media.”

It’s more than that. Pay attention to the recent spate of very public, but very false, sexual assault narratives. They can be easy to pick out because the stories consist of things that routinely happen in movies, but cannot happen in real life where bottles are made of glass, not sugar.

Increasingly they really don’t know the difference between movies and reality.

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I think the ending paragraph reveals some stricking honesty — there’s nothing as sales-hurting as admitting there being no solution, or having none, and that the future is bleak (and I mean “sales” in every sense, including getting more page hits, and readers and supporters). The two teams have too uneven lineups for evenness to be even dimly hoped for. You have the elite with their Unified USA (and Western, since the EU is a protectorate of the USA) Propaganda Machine (schools up to university, social media giants, print media, broadcast media, everything, really) + lower parts of the female… Read more »

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Stallman’s defense of Minsky was logically sound (at MIT she would have been of age) and the more “radical” viewpoints that were dug up are those of traditional Christianity (marriage 12, consent 14), but he was an unacceptable person to make them.

Note also that Torvalds was forced to accept a progressive “Code of Conduct” and take a “sabbatical” from the Linux kernel group.

Feminist feelings based programming, coming soon to a computer and Internet backbone near you.

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…but after the sheer volume of blue pilled responses I realized they had at most gotten baby’s first red pill and were living in a false sense of security and confidence. Case in point, there is absolutely no such thing as married red pill. None whatsoever. Ignoring the countless liabilities that children and females (repeating self) impose what the red pill does is dispel any illusion whatsoever that marriage offers anything for men. So if you do it anyways you might just be a masochist pain slut, but if you say it’s a good idea you’re NOT red pilled as… Read more »

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@Increasingly they really don’t know the difference between movies and reality. The people in charge can make most of their subjects hallucinate anything, both positively and negatively. Positively: to see/hear/remind things that aren’t there. Use the Unified Propaganda Machine to non-stop tell people that those things are there (and that any non-worthless member of society sees, hears, them), and they’ll say and believe they see, hear, remind them. For instance, a propaganda like that we have now on rape helps a lot to raise the incidence and number of false rape accusations. It’s nature, lent a huge hand by nurture.… Read more »

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@SJF

“Why do you care?”

He’s still in the anger phase.

He can’t get his needs met by women on his own / any terms.

That’s the bottom line.

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“Because a good part of the “alphas”, or of the people with a strong need to picture themselves as alphas, finds it the best to do to reproach awoke men, telling them they are lazy, whiners, not real men and all, because (and here the feminine-primacy-boosting mantras are reinforced, as if they needed reinforcement) real men just face up to and take anything destiny, culture, the legal courts, and so on throw at them.” No. Not this. Real men don’t merely take anything thrown at them. Like Marines, real men adapt and overcome. “This is an attitude that prevents men… Read more »

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“I don’t know of any participants in the manosphere telling any average guy to get married.” If average were what it was 50 years ago, we could tell average guys to get married because it worked because average guys 50 years ago had balls and could do things like fix things and work on cars and lead well. But not today’s average guys. No, the message today has to be for average guys to improve themselves for themselves and worry about women later. Average guys have to become better than today’s average and relationship skills need to be developed. Marriage… Read more »

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This article illustrates how hypergamy and female entitlement are alive and well. Feminism has taught women to be independent and to do nothing for the expressed pleasure of a man. Yet men are ridiculed for not living up to the female imperative and failing to provide women with what they are entitled to have. Do everything for women but don’t expect anything from them in return. Feed my hypergamous need you losers. The second graph is alarming. Especially now that approaching or looking at a woman can be considered a crime. Nice job ladies, way to go running off all… Read more »

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“Total misrepresentation of Married Red Pill. MRP is becoming red pill aware after marriage. After being married. And wanting to stay married.” “Oh shit I am standing in a fire. Let me just stay right here even though I’ve now dispelled any and all illusions that this is beneficial for me whatsoever.” That is willingly and consciously remaining asleep despite being forcibly awakened. Peak blue pill. Also, F. At least the random blue pilled cuck can still believe in love and companionship and shit because Disney said so. Then you look at the ones who are allegedly alpha and red… Read more »

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I’m getting bored of the blue pill controlled opposition, so in closing: 1: PUAs are dancing monkeys giving females what they want and validating and amplifying their progressively worse doubling down on the bad behavior. They’re also merchants very intimidated by anyone who realizes that spending a few thousand on a class and a few hundred on clothes and a few dozen on drinks and whatever else is still buying sex and at significantly over market price at that. 2: TradCucks are also part of the problem by being a bunch of pussy apologists who will happily pay for Pretty… Read more »

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This article illustrates how hypergamy and female entitlement are alive and well. Yes it does. That is the nature of Hypergamy. Hypergamy=entitlement. The want for better. Feminism has taught women to be independent and to do nothing for the expressed pleasure of a man. Yes it has. So what? It is En Force, currently. Why would you invest in that and give your energy of anger, bargaining or depression. That is only you in IT’S Frame. It’s energy depleting. So what have you done about that except think about it? It is a numbers game, haven’t your heard. That is… Read more »

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@Anon

When did you last get laid?

How did you pull her?

Daygame / night game / online etc?

Take it over to field reports and explain to us how you’re doing it.

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😂😂😂😂😂

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Anon jumped the shark.

😂😂😅

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I’m perceiving Anon’s definition of a TradCuck as someone that took something from him, so he projects a TradCuck is miserable in his choice. TradCuck’s are are a problem, because why? Not everyone winds up in rehab like Jordan Peterson did last week. Because of Red Pill, not Blue Pill. What is a TradCuck, btw? Someone that has a wife? A married guy? Someone that decided to do something he wanted to do? Co-parents with really cool, autonomous, good children? Any other guy than Anon? What? And wtf is a goyim here? Define it, here. I have no idea. And… Read more »

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“It’s all emotional vomit, shame games . . .”

Yeah. I was hoping for some entertainment from you, but in the end this is all I got before you flamed out. Bummer.

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Fun fact: Blacksmiths use fire a lot and somehow generally manage to avoid getting burned badly. Anon needs to head over to the smiths and tell them that they need to find new work.

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Remember, Weston Price was an unscientific hack. Give your kids scientific soy formula, eat your corn flakes with soy milk and avoid animal products, it’s good for you:

https://onezero.medium.com/our-skulls-are-out-evolving-us-and-that-could-mean-a-public-health-crisis-f950faed696d

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….demanding we fill some lofty standard in exchange for nothing… Hypergamy doesn’t care. Except that you have something to exchange for inter-sexual dynamics. You might even want to be attractive. You might even want to tell your adult son: https://dannyfrom504.com/detinennui32s-advice/ The following is an excerpt from a more comprehensive, detailed Red Pill Parenting advice summary for 18 year olds. Needs exponentiality based on age. Multiply X10 for each decade if it feels simplistic for you. Do read the article in the link. Written by one of the greater content providers in in the manosphere back in 2011. It’s old. Your… Read more »

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Anon’s ” definitions ” we’re for shit. His stats were made up.

What’s odd is that he garnered a little support here, even while jabbing at Rollo and everything else. After 2 or 3 screeds from him everybody should have saw through him like wet toilet paper.😂

But incels need outlets too I guess. Like.sentient said, 4 Chan spilling over.

no sharks were harmed

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And for a bit of masculine inspiration:

Yesterday Sandy Cortmann buddy jumped onto Ginkel Heath outside of Arnhem, the Netherlands. Cortmann is a survivor of that meat grinder known as Operation Market Garden. Cortmann is 97 years old.

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…. But writing styles are like finger prints.

Anon sounded stylistically similar to someone that posts here, as did ” coolio “.

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Gentlemen,

Be kind to Anon. He has other things to do. That Manifesto isn’t going to write itself…

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Be kind to Anon.:

Easier done if he would define his motive. Or end goal, purpose and mission. The minimum requirement of a manifesto, which often goes without saying–before the manifesto is manifest.

Wait, though, you’re not talking about Elliot Rogers’ are you?

If so, I’ll take all I said back. And remand him to his mother’s love.

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…. But writing styles are like finger prints.

Anon sounded stylistically similar to someone that posts here, as did ” coolio “.

I agree it seemed like a sock puppet.

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“…. But writing styles are like finger prints.

Anon sounded stylistically similar to someone that posts here, as did ” coolio “.

I agree it seemed like a sock puppet.”

Lmao he’s not Scribbs (notice lack of ‘hb9’ talk). All angry MGTOWs just talk/write alike.

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You can say what you want about Anon but I think he has a point. To those who don’t get what you guys are doing it looks like a bunch of capitulation and it shouldn’t be that way. In his mind, a woman that mouths off should be fearing a backhand. But make the backhand illegal and she stops fearing the backhand. It’s frustration and it’s a feeling of powerlessness that comes from knowing that despite what you do to make yourself someone she wouldn’t do that to, women have the option of disrespecting you just to see what your… Read more »

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If you’re not very careful and take precautions against it you might end up learning something new every day. Today I learned that Rollo follows my favorite Native American motorcycle road racer. If you aren’t familiar with him, here’s an on topic sample:

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@Anon is angry, it’s a legitimate place to be especially for a young male, I have hope for him. Young people have been handed an economic/cultural/society/sexual shit show at large here in the USA , anger is a good response to it. I felt much the same when I was introduced to the red pill , eventually the possibility exists for moving on to a more constructive mindset, but anger comes first, I get it. Anon, you have good opportunities once the anger phase passes with the right mindset. I wouldn’t be so quick to dismiss some of what he… Read more »

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On the income discussion, I had a single mom dental hygienist who was coming hard for me, good looking, it started playful on her part then she more wrapped up as time went on, I was just amusing myself didn’t have any expectations. She wanted to know what I did for a living, I always told her I washed and vacuumed cars. She knew it was bullshit but she liked the fact I wasn’t going to play the income game with her either way, testing. I was at a table with another group of guys and the waitress asked us… Read more »

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@foxguy

“but almost all the guys got annoyed because they” would have tried to impress her with their jobs and thought that you blew it by being stupid..

FIFY

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Single, childless women who work
– buy more stuff
– buy more expensive stuff
– buy more expensive stuff regularly

Invest in wine, cat food, shoes and birth control companies, they are gonna make a killing.

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“Money/workouts/muscles is also not the sole answer , “ and PUA game won’t keep you from getting dumped either…and if you get dumped as a PUA you’ll get dumped in a marriage…which puts you at risk in a marriage of being frivorce-raped…you need to keep hand…which means that you need to enforce your boundaries when a woman tests them…which means that you can’t be insecure…which for most guys means fixing their self-image and accepting their masculinity as a good thing…and you need solid relationship skills if you are to have a happy relationship…and it’s controversial, but I would argue that… Read more »

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Something I know something about (at least in retrospect), and something many get wrong. The question comes up, “Should I get married?” The answer is if you want to, and if you can find a wife to marry. An interesting way of thinking about marriage, came from a video series I recommended some time ago from a very entertaining content creator called ChroniclesOfJudah 144, “The Difference Between a Wife and a Concubine”. I know common-sense sounding advice like vetting and they’re all just girls are popular here, but I found his arguments, from a christian scriptural perspective persuasive, as a… Read more »

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Something I was taught @ age 15 or so : ” you can’t turn a hoe into a housewife “.

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Weird, @Anon is living his life and gave good analysis. What he didn’t refrain from, sadly, is taking shots at the OMGs here. Sure he’s angry. It’s actually a healthy response, as long as one moves forward from it. @Blaximus, you asked on the thread up if anyone here has gotten worked over by the state. Yes (but does it matter if anyone HERE at that moment we’re victims of it?) And even if one doesn’t go through to court-mandated settlements, the threat of court and the state are ever-present in the background or foreground of all relationships in the… Read more »

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“Weird, @Anon is living his life and gave good analysis.”

So the guy who lives alone, makes less than $50k a year, lifts, plays video games and jerks off to porn is the credible source of wisdom on women?

K…

I saw a probable virgin who can’t get a girl to touch his pee pre making a necessity a virtue.

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Beers I don’t read married red pill Reddit. TRM is the only community I regularly read. The only time I ever consider the ” threats ” of marriage is when I read someone talking about the threats of marriage. Imo/ime, there are many ” threats ” out in the world, and there always has been. Part of going from an infant to a man is facing threats and figuring how to deal with them. That’s the difference between a boy and a man at the core. Re: angry anon taking shots…😂 his ” shots ” are small caliber and really… Read more »

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I’m not a supporter of ” organized religion ” per se, because it seems to weaken many men instead of giving them strength.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DenXW2iHC9Y

It’s unpopular to tell men to ” be a man “, and imo any ” church ” that doesn’t address these things isn’t worth a damn.

Idk, what is it about things being easy that’s appealing over the long term?

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JB I pop over to MRP reddit, but only infrequently. I came to it when I was three quarters or more up on the learning curve of my Reconstruction. I had already read and understood most all of the sidebar material. I never contributed for a number of reasons. One is I could never come up with a good user name (kidding…), I already knew most of the steps of dread and didn’t need to go beyond about level 5 (which most competent men shouldn’t need to go beyond) and then later found that the vernacular and ideas were somewhat… Read more »

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With regards to marriage and the divorce rate, for a more aware red pill man that knows himself the divorce rate should be dramatically lower and if there is a divorce it will most likely be initiated by the man. If you want to get married and have kids you should go for it, it is a worthy goal if you have it, but in order to be successful it will not be what you see on TV/Media or that of your friends or even what Rollo & Company advocate. Marriage is not the boogeyman some make it out to… Read more »

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“I’m not a supporter of ” organized religion ” per se, because it seems to weaken many men instead of giving them strength.” Organized religion has come to be dominated by a single branch of Religion, the Personal Savior religions. They are so dominant that most people today cannot even conceive of Religion in any other terms. “God is love,” and all that happy horseshit. They’re actually relatively new and first arose about 2500 years ago and before then the idea of a “loving god” would have been viewed as some sort of insanity. The hardness of everyday life stood… Read more »

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@SJF “Dread is an early tool, then it is less necessary. Saying this would be criticized for being purple pill or worse. But it is less adversarial and more healthy in my opinion.” More dread brings more drama. You need more drama at the beginning of your self-improvement turnaround and occasionally after that. Or you can go out constantly like I do and the wife learns to live with it and drama diminishes. So if dread stays at a constant level, drama will decrease over time. @foxguy “With regards to marriage and the divorce rate, for a more aware red… Read more »

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“Grant me revenge! And if you do not listen… the hell with you!”

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as we speed headlong into Open Hypergamy, the old “divorce rape’ threat is going to go away… A tale from The Front: At an upscale lounge, on a Sunday night. So kinda quiet. Do my “Bar Posture” thing next to a girl sitting on a stool, she has two guys to her left on stools she is chatting with. So after a few minutes I get the arm tug and the open. Start chatting with her. She’s on a a “road trip” taking three weeks travelling across the country. Tells me she makes money online. I ask her if she… Read more »

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” . . . women will have live in house husbands, and go fuck alpha’s when and where they want to.”

That will be a minority. The majority will have alphas who make booty calls when they are wanted and a number of orbiting choreplay husbands who are rarely and pseudo-randomly allowed into the house, like a slot machine that pays off in sexual attention. Just enough intermittent reinforcement to keep them coming back to mow the lawn.

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Cat care.. now there’s a thing

Why didn’t I think of that…

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To my mind, there are few options to returning the western world to a stable structure, and none of them are pills someone would willingly take. In fact, humanity does not seem to be evolved to persist with stable social structures. That could be due to hypergamy, but it almost doesn’t matter. The western world was not designed to survive the unbelievable levels of success it has enjoyed. But all other systems are not designed for success. Humanity’s choice seems to be either choosing a society that restricts women’s choices (Islam, ancient Christianity); Or one that grants full equality under… Read more »

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Is TRM the new Chan hangout?

There was a mini-flood of screeching MGTOW that dropped into Dalrock’s comment section earlier in the month. It’s died down now, perhaps some of them have drifted here.

A lot of them seem to be somewhere on the autism spectrum; the severe binary thinking that shows up in their emotional rants is one obvious clue, the near total inability to calibrate to anyone else is another clue.

The inability to engage in simple verbal communication using logic is another clue.

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Feminist feelings based “conference” eliminates conferencing:

If only such badges worked that way in real life. I’d be “red-badged” in several venues all the time. So much more useful than the venerable No, I will NOT fix your computer T-shirt, which is too domain specific.

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@kfg re: looking toward a transcendent being as one’s MPO My ex is a 12-stepper, and used to use consulting her “higher power” as an excuse to do whatever she wanted, and to not taking responsibility for her decisions. In my eyes, it falls right into the innate solipsism theme. If anything blew apart my relationship the most, it was my outwardly expressed disdain for irresponsible behavior re: one’s autonomy and how that spilled over into the raising of our son. And if one is all into “higher power” and “mysterious ways” it’s an effortless step into ignoring one’s own… Read more »

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“The inability to engage in simple verbal communication using logic is another clue.” Anon is repackaging stuff into alleged wisdom and understanding. In a bitter and biased way. (not that there is anything wrong with being in that stage for him. Right now. ) And not all of what he was saying was worthless to others in his situation. But wisdom and understanding are at a higher level and can be formulated in any number of ways. Just like the fact that there are 400 to 4000 Religions. (Notwithstanding the fact that religions are ideologyy based, rather than praxeological based… Read more »

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@JB Russell Brand’s revised 12 step program, 2017: 1. Are you a bit fucked? 2. Could you not be fucked? 3. Are you, on your own, going to ‘unfuck’ yourself? 4. Write down all the things that are fucking you up or have ever fucked you up and don’t leave anything out 5. Honestly tell someone trustworthy about how fucked you are. 6. Well, that’s revealed a lot of fucked up patterns. Do you want to stop it? Seriously? 7. Are you willing to live in a new way that’s not all about you and your previous, fucked up stuff?… Read more »

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Rollo wrote above: “…as a man, women don’t care who you are as much as what you are…” and I came across that expression in the rationale male books I and II. I need to break this down to nuts and bolts: If woman cares (more) of WHAT I am, then I am a tool / means to an end for her to realize her goals, to provide for her whatever needs. If so, what’s the meaning of the WHO in sentence above?
Rollo? Anyone?

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Yollo
Besides, it sucks finding out that your mother was trying to raise you as a back-up beta provider.

Wild Truth.

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“No, I will NOT fix your computer”

Did I build it for you? If yes, give me a hundred and fifty bucks and go to the back of the line. Be aware that it might take a while, but don’t worry, I’ll get it sorted for you.

Did “HP” build it for Walmart? If yes, give me two hundred and fifty bucks and go home. I’ll take it out in the woods and shoot it for you.

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Anon may be burying himself under piles of verbiage, but two points do stand out for further consideration: 1) Feminism paradoxically has set MEN free, and 2) Women are foolishly kicking an own-goal by undermining the institution of marriage.

Regarding Rollo’s chart on college attendance, I’ll add that women may also someday be sorry they’ve gone all in on higher education — as students and as academics. Between the crippling tuitions, spurious research and ridiculous rhetoric, the college bubble looks ripe for a big bust.

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Rollo wrote above: “…as a man, women don’t care who you are as much as what you are…” ….If woman cares (more) of WHAT I am, then I am a tool / means to an end for her to realize her goals, to provide for her whatever needs. If so, what’s the meaning of the WHO in sentence above? Rollo? Anyone? “Who” has no meaning. You gotta remember, her life is a made-for-television drama starring her. Much like it was when she was playing dollhouse and teaparties at age 5. It’s Lifetime – Television for Women! Who you are is… Read more »

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“1) Feminism paradoxically has set MEN free,”. This is something that I believe and stated herein before, but as pointed out in this blog, men always have the “burden of performance” to contend with. Has feminism really set men free from that? How much does a man owe his society to keep carrying that burden? The myth of equality free’s men at first glance from the burden of performance, yet women still hold men to it covertly. If you are carrying on to impress women, female validation, or to be attractive to them, you as a man are not free… Read more »

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The burden of performance for a man has very little to do with society ( besides not slaughtering lots of folks ).

Please, for the love of Crom, leave ” society ” out of your calculus.

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Even if you crawl off into the woods to be a solitary mountain man, the rabbits you need to keep you alive are not going to set their own snares.

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@Rollo

How do I contact you?

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A man has a ” burden ” just from being born male. Even if there aren’t women around for thousands of miles. It ain’t about them. Let’s say your a farmer raising chickens for your own personal use ( meat and eggs, yum.) And a wolf shows up almost nightly to raid your hen house and abscond with a chicken every night. No women in your farm. What are you, as a man, supposed to do about this? Do you sit by until the last chicken is gone? Or you and your buddies are out in the woods and you’re… Read more »

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“1) Feminism paradoxically has set MEN free, and 2) Women are foolishly kicking an own-goal by undermining the institution of marriage. So what are you going to do about it to accomplish your inter-sexual goals? I’m reiterating what KFG analogized about. I don’t believe Anon stated whether he was satiated with his strategies. Or that they will always play out well as a risk strategy. It’s one thing to be stuck in analysis, awareness and stasis. And it pays to have a payout at the end of your strategy. It’s another thing to have a good action plan for what… Read more »

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Pinelero,
These days my burden of performance is to myself and myself only, society has little to do with it anymore. Once you adopt this mindset you will be very free but the catch is that underlying foundation society provides is gone and it makes things tougher short term but with the possibility of true mental freedom.

As to women, who cares , they can’t appreciate it anyway, use them and move on.

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They all start out pretty much like this. Almost exactly the same.

Look inordinately powerful and life destroying to you?

What changes?

Is this a hb9 model or a landwhale?

Feminist, serial killer or submissive housewife?

In 16-20 years, how will men perceive her, and how accordingly, will they act?

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“Being ” free ” means being like most women.”

Being free means choosing and pursing what YOU want to do with your life. Not on what you should/supposed to do. That’s living your life on other people’s expectations. #beta.

….Won’t stop other people for tryin’ shame you tho.

OMG = “lol @ banging old women”.
PUA = “lol @ banging bar sluts”.
MGTOW = “lol @ playing with yourself”.

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@J “lol @ banging old ladies” There’s truth and misunderstanding here. First, there’s married goggles so that you see the girl you’re banging as she was when she was young. Then there’s the light’s out impact on eyes and wrinkles go away when a girl is lying on her back. Sure, it’s a fantasy. But if it makes you happy…. “lol @ banging bar sluts” lol, I don’t ever recall calling girls PUAs bang “bar sluts”…they’re just girls…but I do recall asking PUAs to come clean about how often they get dumped or how often they have to dump a… Read more »

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@ Blaximus–If young men could tell the difference between a whore and a housewife, Rollo could probably shut down this blog and work on the next problem. As endlessly discussed, young women are emboldened to dress, act, and speak like whores. Young men are encouraged to accept this as normal behavior–be supportive, encouraging and non-judgmental. So, how, with all this camouflage could a young man be expected to know the difference? @ All, Marriage works for some men. TL/DR for most. Even, some of the Old Married Guys seem to be fuzzy on the details of wife versus concubine. Now,… Read more »

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@theasdgamer “there’s married goggles so that you see the girl you’re banging as she was when she was young.” You’re the second guy to mention this “married goggles” phenomenon to me. But I wonder if its something some guys have while others don’t. What would explain guys cheating (or being very tempted to, but ultimately deciding not to go through with it, because honor or whatever) on their wives with younger attractive girls? “how often they have to dump a girl because she’s wanting a LTR” Its inevitable. Usually after 6 months. Sometimes sooner. sometimes later, depending on how often… Read more »

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I stopped by over a cup of coffee to see if anything worth reading has popped up in the last couple of months.

It’s amazing to see all you people are still on here complaining about the same old stuff.

Regarding some of you thinking other people are masquerading as me on here.

Not possible.

There is only one Coolio – and I am The One.

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I might have to start my own blog.

I could call it something like “The Beyond Rational Male for Extremely Superior Human Beings”.

The only problem with that is there’s only been about ten of us on the planet since the beginning of time, and the other nine spent their whole lives trying to catch up to me.

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I don’t believe I’ve seen/read anything about the complaints regarding the wage gap. Apparently compensation has increased in equality. You got your wish girls.

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Was the picture in the post of Cory the Alpha Buda? If so, can we revisit what it means to be Alpha?

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Sock Puppet A “leaves” and then Sock Puppet C just “happens” to show up.

lol. How predictable.

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To fix the existing band would cost about $1X

Problem solved right there. Why all that other drama necessary?

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There’s a lot more to the anti-marriage reasoning than just the “losing half my stuff” arguments. When I got divorced I didn’t lose anything, I was poor at the time. But my ex-wife immediately re-married within 3 months of the divorced being finalized. We were separated for a year which means she must have met her new husband within that time. He was older than her and she was nearly 40 I’d heard he was over 60 with 2 grown children who immediately suspected she was a gold-digger because he was very wealthy. My ex-wife wasn’t in it for the… Read more »

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“Was the picture in the post of Cory the Alpha Buda?” Yes. He settled for less than his potential. But then again, maybe he didn’t do the work to have potential in the first, second and last place. Or stick to his purpose and mission. But he sure was cool at one time. The back story is probably interesting. Who knows? Does it apply to you? What are you going to do about it? If so, can we revisit what it means to be Alpha? No. That would be like beating a dead horse. Corey doesn’t change the discussion. He… Read more »

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Yeah, that’s Corey Worthington on he island of Bali in 2015 getting hitched.
Last year he was in the Aussie “ninja warrior” game.

https://www.nowtolove.com.au/celebrity/tv/what-is-corey-worthington-doing-now-49497

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“Men love idealistically. I rarely get any pushback on that assertion, but when I layout how women’s Hypergamous natures predispose them to a concept of love based on opportunism men and women lose their minds.” Women love opportunistically. I’d argue that men also love opportunistically. The feeling of idealistic love comes from scarcity mentality mixed with blue pill conditioning. Roissy wrote: “A man loves a woman until she gains 50 pounds. A woman loves a man until he loses his job and goes unemployed for months on end.” The concept of idealistic love is part of the Matrix. If we… Read more »

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Novaseeker improvement and the state of “males” or men all needs reflection and a porn improvement, Dancing and fitness and gym all help me with that. According to TERRY GASPARD 1.Wait until you’re at least in your late 20’s to tie the knot. 2.Select a partner who you have both chemistry (physical and intellectual) and compatibility with (share interests). 3.Discuss expectations for your relationship with your partner on a regular basis. 4.Learn good communication and repair skills to manage conflict. All couples experience conflicts but leaning to bounce back and repair hurt feelings is crucial for a couple’s long-term success.… Read more »

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@Rugby

What are you talking about?

That Terry Gaspard stuff is totally wrong. “Discuss expectations” I mean WTF

After all the time you’ve spent in here have you learned nothing?

Why are you even posting that

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Why are you even posting that

Rugby is eating The Red Pill.

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The concept of idealistic love is part of the Matrix

Women don’t live in the content. They live in the context. What they say actually doesn’t matter. Just look up Christina Perry’s song “A Thousand Years” . It’s a tale of a woman entering the epiphany phase, singing songs for the Beta males. Honestly, it is the most humiliating song I’ve ever heard, just see the delusion in the lyrics. Only Red Pill people will understand it.

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