Unmarriageable

This week there’ve been a rash of articles all outlining the latest statistics about marriage in this decade. US marriage rates are at a 150 year low and, if you believe the all-female article writers, it’s of course men’s fault for failing to be marriageable. These articles are referencing a study published last week titled Mismatches in the Marriage Market and this study reveals large deficits in the supply of potential male spouses. One implication is that the unmarried may remain unmarried or marry less well‐suited partners.

That’s right gentlemen, you’re unmarriageable and the ladies want you to shape up. If you want to experience marital bliss – despite all the inherent personal dangers for men in today’s “marriage economy” – you must make yourself “economically attractive“:

“Most American women hope to marry, but current shortages of marriageable men — men with a stable job and a good income — make this increasingly difficult,” says lead author Daniel Lichter in a press release.

The stats don’t lie and they are pretty bleak. More women are enrolled in college than ever before and more are expected to enter through the middle of the coming decade. Now, a degree doesn’t guarantee a woman a job, and it says nothing about the majors and job sectors women prefer, but a college education does reinforce the idea that women are entitled to marry an economically attractive man who himself has an education and enough aspiration to make something of himself to become marriageable.

That’s some real shit right there and we’re not even half way through this post. We’ve gotten to the point where the truth of the past five decades is apparent; gendered politics has actively, openly, disadvantaged men in terms of education. Whether this hobbling of men is via educational dispensations (Title IX) or social conventions (divorce, child support, Duluth model feminism) the outcome is now unignorable.

In most western societies today there is a separate standard of justice that applies to women. Women are receive far fewer consequences and are sentenced much more leniently than men for committing the exact same crimes. These are easily proven statistics, but even when they are brought to light the gynocentric social order doubles down and justifies them because, women.

My intent here today isn’t to depress anyone. Neither am I drawing attention to this because I’ve made a new turn to the Men Rights Movement. No doubt there’ve been many article already written about the female hubris inherent in these revelations – revelations the Red Pill community has been pointing out for almost two decades now.

The manifestations of about 50 years of social changes produced by a feminine-primary social order are unignorable. Even mainstream media sources are finally seeing these stories as the red meat du jour for the masses now. A lot of the Red Pill principles and I and many other men in the Manosphere have been drawing attention to about intersexual dynamics are now coming to light in popular consciousness.

Aww Quit Complaining

Last year I delivered the State of the Manosphere Address, and in that talk I outlined the rise of what I saw as a new Gender War (or gender cold war). Naturally I was called a reactionary, and have been since described as “overly negative” even by the organization that asked me to deliver that speech. But yet, everything in that outline has come to pass in less than a year. Of course, the easy dismissal is to blame this on election year propaganda. More than one mainstream talkshow conservative has jumped on the Toxic Masculinity bandwagon, pointing out how the Left and mainstream feminism are one and the same.

However, there have been many swings of the political pendulum in the past 50 years. Conservative zeitgeists have contributed to the same feminine-primary social order that’s resulted in men being unmarriageable today. It’s just been good politics to appeal to the Feminine Imperative no matter what side of the political aisle you happen to sit on.

But I’m a man. I’m not supposed to be overly concerned with issues like this. As long as I’m measuring up to my Burden of Performance any marginal raising-of-awareness to truths like the ones above make me seem like I’m complaining. And that’s something men are never allowed to do. It’s a very effective way of silencing men. Get them to feel like they ought to silence themselves. Real men don’t complain.

Meanwhile, it’s Broke Men who are hurting American Women’s Marriage Prospects. My good friend Dalrock once wrote a series of post around the idea that feminism would be so much more successful if men would only cooperate with it. When women are unable to optimally complete their mating (and life’s) strategies it’s men’s fault for being uncooperative. It’s men’s fault when women’s life plans don’t come together as Sheryl Sandberg told them it would. It’s men’s fault when they won’t play the approved role they should when women hit their Epiphany Phase and their sexual priorities shift.

Confirming the Red Pill

If you needed a better illustration of the Solipsism inherent in women’s nature you’ll be hard pressed to find it on a bigger scale than the dozens of stories bemoaning the lack of marriageable men today. Furthermore, it goes to prove another Red Pill truth: as a man, women don’t care who you are as much as what you are. I’ve taken a lot of heat over the years over my assessment of how men and women have different concepts of love. Men love idealistically. I rarely get any pushback on that assertion, but when I layout how women’s Hypergamous natures predispose them to a concept of love based on opportunism men and women lose their minds.

Yet, here we are. Women enthusiastically proving my point for me without me having to do any heavy lifting. As women become more comfortable in Open Hypergamy we see this embracing of their nature proudly flaunted. Naturally women will double down on this.

Of course women don’t wanna marry no bum!

And then the Trad-Cons join the chorus,

It’s men’s fault they aren’t measuring up to being the men all women are entitled to.

There are dozens of studies that correlate divorce with women earning more than their husbands. In fact, women are reluctant to admit that they out-earn their husbands. Throughout the history of this blog I’ve shown the evolved reasons for this dynamic, but what the articles all dance around is women’s natural evolutionary desire for men who exceed them in all aspects. But because we’ve opted to believe in, and standardized on, social constructionism we lay all of that on “societal expectations” of men and women. In a future essay I’ll be defining how the cope of humans being ‘above it all’ in their evolved instincts is the root source of many deliberate misgivings about intersexual conflict. For now, understand that blaming any inconvenient intersexual truth on a nebulous “society” is the go-to rationale for a feminine-primary social order.

If only men would evolve and rise above what society foists on them we women would be happy” versus “Men need to accommodate women’s success by making themselves more ‘economically desirable’

And “Oh, but love is important too, *wink wink*.”

“Many young men today have little to bring to the marriage bargain, especially as young women’s educational levels on average now exceed their male suitors’,” Lichter says.

It’s interesting that some articles advocate for marriage as a “stabilizing force” in society, all while never (maybe deliberately) seeing the economic risks of disaster that the divorce industry incentivizes in women. There’s nothing stabilizing about promoting marriage between men you’ve deemed “economically unattractive” and women who feel entitled to a man who exceeds their Hypergamous expectations. There’s nothing ‘stabilizing’ about the incidence of divorce between couples where the man is unable to out-earn his wife.

Naturally we want to make this a ‘his‘ problem. He can’t get over the fact that she makes more, has more education, etc. He’s insecure in his masculinity and must feel threatened by Her success. Or it could be the fact that on an instinctual level he understands that it’s an evolved imperative for a man to provide for and protect his family. This is the fallacy of Rise Above It. No matter how enlightened and progressive we’d like to think we are nature drags us back to reality. It’s not a socially constructed problem – if it were it would be easily solved – it’s a human nature problem. Women reveal the true Hypergamous nature in articles like these. They want a man who they can naturally look up to, respect and admire. That’s the natural truth coming out, but they source the problem in a socially constructed fantasy that it’s men’s insecurities that are holding them back from completing women’s mating/life strategies.

Women don’t need to get married anymore. The average age of first marriage is hovering around 27 years old for most couples. Studies also show that more than half of young people in America don’t have a romantic partner. We’ve all but eliminated the Beta Bucks side of the Hypergamous equation for women. Open Hypergamy (and Open Cuckoldry) are the logical outcomes of this provisioning insurance we’ve made ubiquitous for women over the last 40 years. Yet, women still want to be married to a man who outclasses them in all areas of life. They feel they deserve that guy. Their hindbrain knows they do, but the nebulous society still encourages women to believe there’s never been a better time for them to be single. This is the message women are being fed as they complain about men’s not living up to being their “equals”.

Nearly half of working-age women will be single in 2030, a new Morgan Stanley study predicts, a demographic that will drive increased sales for companies in the athletic wear, cosmetics and clothing sectors.

The investment bank’s “Rise of the SHEconomy” report says 45 percent of working-age women between 25 and 44 in the U.S. will be single women in 10 years, Forbes reported.

Single women will drive the economy in the next decade and savvy businesses are already planning on exploiting this demographic. But yet it’s men’s fault for not being marriageable and/or avoiding marriage altogether?

Too many people think I’m down on marriage. Apparently 23 years of what most guys would consider an ideal marriage isn’t enough to convince them. Honestly, as an institution – socially enforced monogamy – I think marriage, based on evolved gender difference complementarity has been the foundation of the success of western culture. But maybe we’re at a turning point in human history where traditional marriage is left behind, replaced by feminine-primary polygamy with all its inherently violent risks. It seems we’re heading in a direction where we convince Beta men it’s in their reproductive interests to abandon their evolved need to be invested in their own paternity – and that attending to and raising the children of men that women selected before them makes them ‘better men’.

There’s a lot more to the anti-marriage reasoning than just the “losing half my stuff” arguments.

It really sucks for a guy like me who’s managed to make a Red Pill aware marriage work in spite of all this. Guys get confused. How can I be anti-marriage and still married? But it’s just that dichotomy that tells the you about the nature of what marriage has become for men today. The way we do marriage today has the potential to be the most damaging decision a man can make in his life. It may even end his life. But despite all that I still believe men and women are better together than we are apart. We still evolved to be complements to the other.

It’s the coming together and living together, and all the downside risks to men today that I have no solution for at the moment. Maybe it’s going to take a war or a meteor striking the earth to set gender parity back in balance, but at the moment there’s only a future of sexual segregation to look forward to.

Published by Rollo Tomassi

Author of The Rational Male and The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine

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A lot of men are simply checking out of society…taking the big vacation in one form or another. They come from differing backgrounds and financial status. Marriage in particular and women in general are an increasingly reduced influence on them. That has different effects on different men. The loss of hope for family and meaningful social ties leaves many failing to see any point in busting their hump to build a nest egg for a female culture. If they marry they are held in contempt, and if they don’t marry they are held in contempt. Society has no use for… Read more »

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Sharrukin2 Who are these men meant to be going to all this effort for? Themselves. Why be fit? So you’re healthy and get to live and enjoy this one go you have on this mortal coil as physically capably as possible. Drinking, eating or drugging yourself into an early grave is just a very slow form of suicide. Why earn more or get a better paying job? So you can work less to do more of what you actually want to do (be it by retiring early, or reducing your weekly hours). Afford a better video game rig, or better… Read more »

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Mineter Why be fit? So you’re healthy and get to live and enjoy this one go you have on this mortal coil as physically capably as possible. Drinking, eating or drugging yourself into an early grave is just a very slow form of suicide. Physically capable of doing what? They have little motivation, they have no interest in joining an army, a social crusade, or competing with other men for the dubious interest of some woman. You do see some of them involved with Antifa and the Alt-right as they look for some manufactured meaning in their life, but by… Read more »

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@Novaseeker

Maybe reading all this complaining just put me in an irate state of mind.

Cant we find some fat, cucky punk and burn him alive as a scapegoat like the Jews used to do as an offering to the god of collective disgust?

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There are two types of hypergamy, that based around attractiveness of the male, and the second based around social status. Woman are obsessed with social status to a much greater degree than men, and are constantly calculating it in those around them. A big indicator of status in America and most other countries is education. A big reason for the escalating cost of college is colleges trying to boost their perceived status, which is probably largely aimed at girls and their mothers. On TV too I’ll occasionally watch those lifestyle shows where couples are looking to buy or rent houses.… Read more »

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For millennia ordinary men have married, but now according to two times divorced Novaseeker young men (unlike his smarter brighter generation) cannot cut it when it comes to marriage. This mania for improving oneself to make oneself marriageable seems to me to be an American obsession – which clearly does not work. Of course, as an internet interloper I am seriously uninformed about these matters.

Ignorance is truly bliss.

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So, in a nutshell:

Men get married; society holds men in contempt.
Men don’t get married, society holds men in contempt.

Men told to live their lives for the benefit of others; men are miserable.
Men told to live their lives to benefit themselves; men are miserable.

Bart: “Got it, Homer. ‘Can’t win? Don’t try.'”
Also: Men committing suicide at record levels; women most affected.

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@Mineter

The funny thing is you think you’re Bart.

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No, Yollo, the funny thing it that you think that I think I am Bart.

Nowhere have I said “can’t win don’t try”.

If you can’t win THIS particular game, go play another game where you can win. And be the best you can at it.

And don’t tell me marriage is the only game in town.

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two times divorced Novaseeker

Making stuff up again, I see, Opus, eh? Once divorced, yes. Never remarried.

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…Jesus Christ. I know it was a wall of text but here’s the same message in a shorter form without supporting evidence. Real Men don’t give a fuck what randoms think and certainly do not give a fuck what lesser beings think. Here’s the simple reality of the situation: 1: Anyone who the gold diggers would consider a good mark could get better pussy if they wanted it, but females are such massive liabilities now and the liability only increases as your value does they make the rational choice and avoid all of them. 2: There is far less reason… Read more »

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“Well for what it’s worth I hope marriage doesn’t completely die out because my mid term plan is to buy a yacht in the med and do sailing weeks for hen parties who can live on board and I’ll bang them..”

KEK. Well at least they can get their cuckolding fetish satisified.

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About what women say… We’ve heard this over and over and over. Take anti-slut defense for example. They say they don’t fuck on the first date. Most of us know this is bullshit from experience. They say he’s not my type, but will crawl through a window or climb into the backseat to let that guy screw her. Women say they would never fuck that “asshole” who cheated on them, or their girlfriend(s) but they will “share” that asshole that they are competing for. They say they want only “quality” men…and the manosphere gets all up in arms. Novaseeker makes… Read more »

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Question: do you have any real life ” experience ” with ” the state “? Or are you just using it as an excuse?

You know who gets shit on the hardest by the state? The poor low earning folks who don’t own anything. Prisons are bursting at the seams with them. The state comes for these people first because they don’t resist.

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“Question: do you have any real life ” experience ” with ” the state “? Or are you just using it as an excuse? You know who gets shit on the hardest by the state? The poor low earning folks who don’t own anything. Prisons are bursting at the seams with them. The state comes for these people first because they don’t resist.” “Excuse”. No, you are still approaching from the cucked framework that pussy is a prize instead of a low value commodity. And if you go back and read my first post, the part about tiers of exceptionalism… Read more »

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“This mania for improving oneself to make oneself marriageable seems to me to be an American obsession”

For the life of me, I can’t recall anyone saying that. Saying that young men are unmarriageable does not mean that one should improve oneself for the purpose of getting married.

Young men should improve themselves for their own sakes because then their options and freedom of action will increase. (options being women, lifestyle, health, being good at being a man, etc.)

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Anon Your ideas about why men are in prison are way off, but you’re pretty much making up your own narratives. As for me being cucked and unhappy, or seeing pussy as a prize😂. You aren’t familiar with my stances here over the years. For the record ( again ), I’m not a booster nor supporter of ” marriage “. Men that are hung up on society and what women want and bullshit like that are indeed marks, but they are marks for everybody including teh state. The op is speaking mostly about the state of males and how that… Read more »

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You’re still caught in the cuck narrative Blax. For you there is being a good little slave and there is being aimless and those are the only options. Not giving a fuck about wageslaving is not the same as not giving a fuck about anything. It means you recognize that money is a tool and if the tool is not something you’ll use you don’t buy it. You buy money with time, after all and that is the only truly finite currency. If all you can motivate people with is a cheap and fickle commodity and bossing them around don’t… Read more »

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We have very different definition and understanding of the word ” slave “.

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A study on homeless weight ratio is in order.

Do homeless women on average start their destitute journey heavier than they end up at say 1 month , 2 months ect. than men do.

How many of these college girls are enrolled in the dumpster diving 101 survival class.

SJF , lock up your trash man.

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The hilarious thing here is that lots of you seem to be misunderstanding what “own point of origin” actually means. If you are taking your ball and going home, watching video games and porn and satisficing at a slacking job, simply because “society doesn’t reward any greater effort with stable access to pussy any more”, then you are NOT your own point of origin. You are being controlled, in what you do, by the availability of external reward and validation — such that if you perceive the external reward is not there, you will choose to slack and play vidya-porn.… Read more »

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You sound like a fasicination person to have a conversation with. You seem to imply that porn and video games mean one functions on external rewards? I’d like to hear why you think so.

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Rollo and others: I know in this generation, it’s best for a man not to marry a woman. But for a 35 year old man, who is looking atleast to settle down, what is the preferred age range to look for? 19-24? And where can you find the ones that don’t have the urge to party all of the time, ride many carousels, are more traditional in letting a man lead- and don’t have a mindset to be equals? The majority that I’ve met between those ages, have a more rebellious, not looking to settle, and “I do what I… Read more »

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@Anon

Damn, you put that better than I could.

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” . . . is there a better sweet spot when it comes to age selection?”

No.

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Things you need to “settle down”:

A place to plant your flag. The willingness to do so.

Things you don’t need to “settle down”:

A woman. Bullshit.

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Averages are rarely a good way to understand a subject. The American woman in 2019 has hard uphill battle proving she has not had intercourse with another man to any man she may consider. Her reputation is thoroughly destroyed. Women in America do not age well at all.

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Maybe this is all just another indicator of who the alphas are and who the betas are. Real men will adapt, see the silver-lining, and use this all to their advantage. I certainly have. I love not having kids, travelling the world, focusing on my career, health, etc., AND having the girl and NOT having to buy a ring or expensive wedding. Thank you, feminism.

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“The hilarious thing here is that lots of you seem to be misunderstanding what “own point of origin” actually means.” If by a lot of you, you mean yourself you are correct. Working is a means of trading your time (a finite currency) for money (an infinite currency based on nothing) because the money serves as a tool for which you can trade for other currencies (food, shelter, entertainment…) When you realize that because you’re not carrying a bunch of dead weight around you do not need nearly as much money and therefore spend less time on getting money you… Read more »

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😂

Oh jeez. This shit is priceless and highly entertaining.

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Absolutism makes for poor debate . Anon is making points that appeal to mgtow and younger angry confused men. He’s pulled statistics out of thin air to support his arguments . He could argue all day using that tactic, and those that agree won’t ever even bother to see any other point no matter how much actual truth is within. But it is good that other lurking readers see this kind of debate as it informs what ideas are reasonable and rational.

All dogs attack humans is an argument that can’t stand on merit .

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What does your average American woman then consider to be “economically attractive”? If she is already employed herself, say as a hot RN pulling down $75K per year with long hours, then she is absolutely NOT looking for another $75K man. She wants, and frankly demands, a $120K to $140K plus man because once she gets pregnant she is not taking a step back in lifestyle. Same for the 4 year marketing grad who is earning less, say $60K. She’s not gunning for a $70K guys. She is going for the $100K to $120K guy. But there are only so… Read more »

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Some interesting research on what’s going on in the heads of marry-minded men regarding fiance, marriage, wedding and the ring.

https://www.lagunapearl.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/TPS_LP_Consumer_Report_V5-JL.pdf

Of course, this would not include the feedback of the free agent men out there, many of whom have thoroughly ruled out marriage and cohabitation.

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What’s the difference between adapting and conforming?

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“There’s going to be a clear down. It’ll probably take a couple of decades.” I don’t disagree. But if we look at matters from an economics and markets context, then this disparagement of the consumers of marriage trying to operate within it makes little sense. Not all consumers are rational. But the fact remains that only like 8% of all women age 45 are “never married”: https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2018/09/04/2017-never-married-data/ Women are marrying later than ever before. So many of them are choosing last from a dwindling pool of men. And this means the majority of marry-minded women (usually age 28+) are “settling… Read more »

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“Absolutism makes for poor debate . Anon is making points that appeal to mgtow and younger angry confused men. He’s pulled statistics out of thin air to support his arguments . He could argue all day using that tactic, and those that agree won’t ever even bother to see any other point no matter how much actual truth is within. But it is good that other lurking readers see this kind of debate as it informs what ideas are reasonable and rational.” Don’t be foolish. 1: Females have one personality, though they usually hide it with various forms of chameleoning… Read more »

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@Anon

Checkmate, and goodnight.

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Concession accepted.

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“When you realize that because you’re not carrying a bunch of dead weight around you do not need nearly as much money and therefore spend less time on getting money you are not being externally controlled, you are rejecting those external factors. That’s more time for YOU. Now you can spend that time however you wish.” The married men here are saying: become “marriageable” so that you COULD get married if you so choose. If you plan on getting married and have kids, there is a strong incentive to want to go for a high earning career. To not only… Read more »

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“If you plan on getting married and have kids, there is a strong incentive to want to go for a high earning career. To not only support yourself, but multiple people (depending on how many kids you have. Because why get married if you aren’t gonna have kids? lol)” True, that requires an exorbitant amount of betabux. You could make 100k or even 500k and still be broke with a female around because she will always spend almost all or a little more than all of what you have then never let you shift down. Or you can retire before… Read more »

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Sad to say (my blue-pill talking)… that Anon is crushing it on this thread (red-pill acknowledgement) Thank you!

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That illustration of feminists and tradcons “policing” today’s men reminded me of the fate of the late Eric Garner. Like him, but not quite as fatally, today’s men “can’t breathe.”

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True, that requires an exorbitant amount of betabux. You could make 100k or even 500k and still be broke with a female around because she will always spend almost all or a little more than all of what you have then never let you shift down. Word. An acquaintance of mine has filed a restraining order on his SPD wife. He has custody of their 3 children. He will likely be filing for divorce soon because she refuses to take her meds and she has been repeatedly arrested and hospitalized. He lives in CA, so I was surprised when he… Read more »

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I read a remark or comment somewhere that modern day men have been successfully placed into two corrals: breeding stock studs (Chad, Tyrone) – maybe 20% of all of the fellas, and beta draft animals (reliable, safe, “nice guys”, the rest of the fellas. This accomplishment has enabled more women to pursue more sexual congress with variations of what she perceives as studs (assuming she can even seize his attention long enough and attract him, since there is a perpetual line of girls already formed to fellate him). This also enables more girls to opportunistically hang out at the draft… Read more »

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@constrainedlocus Pussy is so cheap it’s almost free provided that you know you are paying for it and not laundering that money through say, a marriage or relationshit. Especially since an even greater range of behaviors are decriminalized if you fell for the marriage meme. For example, the female going on a huge credit card shopping spree against your will which is normally multiple felonies. That said if you’re already in you would be better off going for the buyout provided you actually learn your lesson and don’t repeat the mistake. Really though it’s such common knowledge by now that… Read more »

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” I love not having kids,” Kids shouldn’t have kids. “travelling the world” I’ve been to many countries…and have kids. “focusing on my career, health” Yeah, men who have kids can’t do that. Righhht. Biology is about reproduction. Some of us have kids and are biological successes and some of us don’t and are Darwin Award winners. Feminism belittles men for wanting sex with several women. You can have kids and be polyamorous. Exclusivity by the man isn’t necessarily part of marriage, or the vows, if you write your own. Trad-cons advocate having kids. They aren’t wrong about that because… Read more »

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“today’s men “can’t breathe.””

“today’s men are pussies”

fify

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“The women complaining about broke dudes, are career sluts with 100K jobs looking for guys who out earn them and want to settle down with them. If that is your goal, then ya’ll fellas better start earning more, cause the wom*n saying you ain’t good enough!” This is complicated. Biology pushes women to look for men who out-earn them. For a female doctor earning $500k a year, this presents difficulty and she has to moderate her own biological inclinations to have a husband out-earn her. Women doctors are typically very intelligent and can do this. But this is an outlier.… Read more »

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https://time.com/5434949/divorce-rate-children-marriage-benefits/

Outside the sphere for a minute….

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Blax, census data ignores earnings loss for women due to pregnancy. Women are paid more in entry level positions.

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As many homeless men there are, even rural America nowadays, there’s as many 35+ females, many prostituting carouseling from male to male who are also homeless. Thrown away and discarded because they’re of no value other than mediocrity and occasional sex, most are becoming invisible and useless if they’ve been abused or selling themselves for gratification. Clearly, our society has failed. When you see the young pretty prissy hotties under 35 chalking up those numbers trading their beauty and their bodies for counts, as soon as the “wall” hits, those that are not tied down, married or locked into provider… Read more »

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@theasdgamer The “marriage gives men rights” gave it away instantly. Now it’s possible that this is a false positive, TradCucks are mentally chicks but with dicks who regularly trip the female poster detector because they hamster and use all the female thot processes. Shame only works on females and is entirely ineffective on Real Men and remember – for good deals you sell them on the deal, for bad deals you make them pay for it. “Hey look I created the weapons of my own destruction!” Yes you did, now the state will cuck you by taking them from you… Read more »

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“The “marriage gives men rights” gave it away instantly.”

Lol, I didn’t come up with that statement. You would know this if you had read the discussion in Field Reports. Post your arguments there, Youngskullfullamush.

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“Yes you did, now the state will cuck you by taking them from you and making you pay for it while they’re poisoned against you.” If you’re Blue Pill, this is more likely than if you are Red Pill. I don’t know any men who entered marriage as Red Pill men who this happened to. “But yes, you created easily corrupted single mother spawn, well done! ” “easily corrupted” — I know that you are full of shit. “single mother” — yes, I fucked up a lot…done way before I started reading Rollo…I own my shit, but you don’t…yet somehow… Read more »

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Notice that in all my comments I’m not saying that marriage is easy or that most women are great catches. They aren’t. Women for the most part are “fixer-uppers.” It takes skill to manage a woman and make a successful marriage and most men lack the skill.

Hence, Rollo’s books.

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When I was a boy, if I screwed up around my step-grandfather, I got a swift kick in the pants. I knew I had screwed up and I didn’t whine about the kick. But today’s overgrown boys will whine about getting a swift kick in the pants and they expect to be mollycoddled.

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By show of hands, how many men here with children have:

A) had the state take them away.

B) been fucked by state and spouse.

If the endless statistics anon has been regurgitating hold any merit at all ( other than Mgtow black pill show off…😂) then all fathers should have been assfucked by now as anon’s imaginary percentages leave no room for any other outcomes.

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@Palma

I had read The Misandry Bubble five years ago. Everyone should. It was well composed.

In that essay there was a link to Hawaiian Libertarian’s old essay on The Spearhead called Avoiding the Fate of the Average Married Chump.

It deals with what ASDgamer said in simple form in the comment right after yours.

Of course, The Spearhead no longer exists, but it is saved on The Wayback Machine, internet archive.

https://web.archive.org/web/20110204103405/http://www.the-spearhead.com/2010/02/14/avoiding-the-fate-of-the-amc/

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Honestly, let them complain, who gives a fuck what their solipsistic mind conjurs up. Water off a ducks back. Agree n amplify gentlemen .. now, back to my harem.

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A few years ago, my wife and I were watching an interview with Bill and Melinda Gates. Mrs.Gates complained about how she isn’t given enough recognition in their foundation, while Bill looked on uncomfortably during this mini-rant.

We both couldn’t understand why she couldn’t be content with her lot, her immense good fortune at having snared the richest (then) man in the world and one of the most famous.

So what hope is there for the average husband?

Contentment is not a female virtue.

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“If you’re Blue Pill, this is more likely than if you are Red Pill. I don’t know any men who entered marriage as Red Pill men who this happened to.” Lmfao. Silly blue pill TradCuck. I was gentle with the red pills before but now I’ll go in a bit harder. Here is the simple reality of the matter. All three of those books, yeah the ones written by the creator of this blog? They’re NPC checkers. All three of them repeat again and again and again “Here is a fire, it is hot, it will burn you. Here are… Read more »

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“Rollo says: “Here is a fire, it is hot, it will burn you.”

“Rollo says: “Here is a fire, it is hot, it can burn you if you aren’t careful. But it is useful if you are careful. Use mitts.”

fify

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“So let’s try to get in her head and see her checklist for that “economically attractive” Why? Personally, I don’t care what is in their head regarding economics of my income/worth or theirs. Leaning into the female frame here is going to cause anxiety for men. Don’t discuss this shit with your women, and get this shit out of your heads. A few years back I was dating a very attractive blonde who a few years earlier had done some modeling for home & family magazines. She was a widower having lost her husband to an early heart attack. Very… Read more »

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Found this in California “California, however, is the only state that offers both a regular public marriage license and a confidential marriage license. The original of the law date back to 1878, when it was meant for unmarried cohabitating couples in the state. Some of these couples lived in rural, remote areas that were inconveniently far from a church or court, but most simply “lived in sin” and/or gave birth to children out of wedlock. Confidential marriages were a boon to the California legal system because inheritance and property rights were more clear-cut when the majority of people cohabitating and… Read more »

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Is TRM the new Chan hangout?

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Tgis is for Rollo. All that need be said on the topic, pay attention to the lyrics.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=erM1OTXkKUg

Rock out with your cock out gents… All will be well.

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I nearly always prefer a neutral and objective approach to a subject. Emotions tend to get in the way of the message.

But of all the quality you’ve written, this is the first where i can feel a tangible feeling of “rage against the machine”.

The surprising part to me was that it did not detract from the writing, it added to it.

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Sentient,Ty Segall & The Freedom Band, FN Primal. Thanks

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Anon, you are singing to the choir, The married men on this blog are red pilled and have mastered their relationships. These married men can also tap strange any time they want or choose to without repercussion. The blue pill types you are preaching to show up from time to time for advice and if they follow it they to turn their relationships around to a favorable situation.

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@PalmaSailor

“…and don’t discuss it with your wife.”

I hear you.

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@Cptfalc I don’t necessarily disagree, but there is much more nuance to it. Having lived in mainstream secular society then joining a religious subculture, then becoming red pill aware, I’ve seen both sides. There are just as many beta guys in the mainstream. The difference is when the culture and religion has your back, a beta man can still get married, make and lead a family, and do okay with low risk of divorce. You can be beta within our subculture without becoming a lonely frustrated loser. You don’t even need red pill awareness. This is because men and women… Read more »

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Back to topic at hand, women complaining men are not financially suitable to marry since the men don’t make enough money. orthodox Judaism has an extreme opposite case. We have a not uncommon situation when a very religious couple marries, the wife agrees to work to support the family while the man learns Torah instead of working for a year or two with other men. This probably sounds crazy, but our society puts such a high value on learning, and a man and his family get much more respect when he has focused for years on intensive learning. This is… Read more »

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A was-beta
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-49783851

was-marriageable?

Meanwhile Kenesha’s already moved on Lol

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““Rollo says: “Here is a fire, it is hot, it will burn you.”

“Rollo says: “Here is a fire, it is hot, it can burn you if you aren’t careful. But it is useful if you are careful. Use mitts.””

Brainlet NPC tier. Mitts protect from heat, not fire. it’s false security for blue pilled cucks as you are demonstrating.

You’ll catch Pretty Princess with her real man eventually and will be redeemed for cash prizes on or before that point.

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“If you’re worried about how much you make in relationship to getting a woman you’re doing it wrong. If they are not into you money is NOT a factor you want involved. Lose the gut, get better game and be attractive with your own confident MPO. Don’t be pussy begging and come off thirsty. Quit worrying about how much money you make, or how much she makes.”

+1,000,000,000,000,000

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“Anon, you are singing to the choir, The married men on this blog are red pilled and have mastered their relationships. These married men can also tap strange any time they want or choose to without repercussion. The blue pill types you are preaching to show up from time to time for advice and if they follow it they to turn their relationships around to a favorable situation.” I thought I would be originally but after the sheer volume of blue pilled responses I realized they had at most gotten baby’s first red pill and were living in a false… Read more »

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Nah, the worrying about money and a girl taking your shit is fear based excuse.

Some men Will never learn any form of game ( pua or otherwise ) and will stew in anger and ignorance.

It’s just too hard….

Why should I?…..

You’re gonna get screwed ….

There have always been fearful men around, but usually fear and weakness has been discouraged. Not so currently in the gynocracy.

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After MIT accepted money from Jeffrey Epstein, Virginia Giuffre also accused the late MIT AI pioneer Marvin Minsky. Now legendary programmer Richard Stallman has been forced to resign for defending Minsky. Please comment on how women like to attack men who look like this:
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or this:
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@palmasailor

Yes, plenty of beta, but not with enough bux for their liking.
They won’t put up with beta unless the bux are really good, which is why billionaires get trophy wives but in this generation average guys get nothing

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“Mitts protect from heat, not fire.” Up to the point where they begin protecting from fire, but not heat. What kills people who plunge full in is asphyxiation and/or lung damage, not external fire contact burns. Even Niki Lauda, who survived the acute phase of danger, eventually succumbed to the chronic. “You’ll catch Pretty Princess with her real man eventually and will be redeemed for cash prizes on or before that point.” Could happen, but he is already past the point of the involuntary child support economy (other than the general social cuckitude) and has a large proto-soft harem. It… Read more »

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“Novaseeker – The problem isn’t women — women are being themselves. The problem is men — men today, by and large, suck, period. Most men are lazy, worthless and weak. We know this just by looking around. ” Ah, Novaseeker spits on the weak men created from the good times that have been created by strong men But then redeems himself; “Novaseeker – What I said was that it is true that most men today are poor marriage candidates, and that is simply the truth. They would be better marriage candidates if they were better men — that does not… Read more »

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“Novaseeker- Women are fine. Women have simply adapted to the changed culture and context — a context which allows women full reproductive choice (due to reprod tech being easily available and legal) and full economic independence (due to the economy moving away from industry and into service/knowledge/office work). They have adapted. ” and of course Novaseeker the current western woman has adapted…..I call bullshit….least you forget that woman are collectivists – give them divorce privilege and they shall take, give them food and they shall land whale, give them degrees and they will ask where are all the good men.… Read more »

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men are unmarriageable – who cares fucc marriage – western marriage is fucced

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” . . . in this generation average guys get nothing . . .”

On the other hand, all average guys of this generation need to do to rise above average is to put in an effort. Any effort at all will do, as so few do even that.

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I work the oilfields, make bank and not in the best of physical shape, but women can smell a mile away my beta provisioning emanating aura when I’m either receiving interest or projecting interest. Once I speak and show fervency, their filters quickly show reaction to submission or dominance. There’s no between. I’m confident that western women extrapolate their innate filtering systems based on Hollywood cinema and media. I don’t have these problems with less media dominated foreign women who seemingly come across as “real” and uncontaminated with meaningless social constructs which they don’t allow to control their cultures. Western… Read more »

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“You should be a dancing monkey for a cheap and liability filled hole!”

Spoken like a merchant. You do realize that once you’ve actually emptied your balls without going through a bunch of bullshit you realize they’re demanding a price higher than it’s worth right? No, of course not because you are a merchant, and if men get bored and walk away from your shop that leaves you holding the bag.

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“So what hope is there for the average husband?” average…that bar is set so low… if you are happy being merely average, it’s your life, but don’t expect any respect from women or most men…or from yourself! …last Friday night I went out and didn’t have a good time…was thinking about stopping going out…then I realized that it was my own fault that I didn’t have a good time…I wasn’t bringing the party to people and wasn’t being fun and I wasn’t getting any energy from going out and I was feeling drained…my own fault for being average…now I know… Read more »

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😂

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I think people have too many anti-social tendencies to take advantage of what they’ve got. Besides, it sucks finding out that your mother was trying to raise you as a back-up beta provider.

This marriage thing isn’t just Red Pills vs MGTOWs(They’re on the same spectrum as far as I am concerned). It’s a social problem.

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And if you think sexual politics already are going to hell, just waiit until a $1000 monthly “Universal Basic Income” further distorts reality.

Best comment section in a while, I think, off of a solid Rollopost. Just “The SHEconomy” alone was worth the price of admission.

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“I’m confident that western women extrapolate their innate filtering systems based on Hollywood cinema and media.”

It’s more than that. Pay attention to the recent spate of very public, but very false, sexual assault narratives. They can be easy to pick out because the stories consist of things that routinely happen in movies, but cannot happen in real life where bottles are made of glass, not sugar.

Increasingly they really don’t know the difference between movies and reality.

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I think the ending paragraph reveals some stricking honesty — there’s nothing as sales-hurting as admitting there being no solution, or having none, and that the future is bleak (and I mean “sales” in every sense, including getting more page hits, and readers and supporters). The two teams have too uneven lineups for evenness to be even dimly hoped for. You have the elite with their Unified USA (and Western, since the EU is a protectorate of the USA) Propaganda Machine (schools up to university, social media giants, print media, broadcast media, everything, really) + lower parts of the female… Read more »

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Stallman’s defense of Minsky was logically sound (at MIT she would have been of age) and the more “radical” viewpoints that were dug up are those of traditional Christianity (marriage 12, consent 14), but he was an unacceptable person to make them.

Note also that Torvalds was forced to accept a progressive “Code of Conduct” and take a “sabbatical” from the Linux kernel group.

Feminist feelings based programming, coming soon to a computer and Internet backbone near you.

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…but after the sheer volume of blue pilled responses I realized they had at most gotten baby’s first red pill and were living in a false sense of security and confidence. Case in point, there is absolutely no such thing as married red pill. None whatsoever. Ignoring the countless liabilities that children and females (repeating self) impose what the red pill does is dispel any illusion whatsoever that marriage offers anything for men. So if you do it anyways you might just be a masochist pain slut, but if you say it’s a good idea you’re NOT red pilled as… Read more »

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@Increasingly they really don’t know the difference between movies and reality. The people in charge can make most of their subjects hallucinate anything, both positively and negatively. Positively: to see/hear/remind things that aren’t there. Use the Unified Propaganda Machine to non-stop tell people that those things are there (and that any non-worthless member of society sees, hears, them), and they’ll say and believe they see, hear, remind them. For instance, a propaganda like that we have now on rape helps a lot to raise the incidence and number of false rape accusations. It’s nature, lent a huge hand by nurture.… Read more »

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