Unmarriageable

This week there’ve been a rash of articles all outlining the latest statistics about marriage in this decade. US marriage rates are at a 150 year low and, if you believe the all-female article writers, it’s of course men’s fault for failing to be marriageable. These articles are referencing a study published last week titled Mismatches in the Marriage Market and this study reveals large deficits in the supply of potential male spouses. One implication is that the unmarried may remain unmarried or marry less well‐suited partners.

That’s right gentlemen, you’re unmarriageable and the ladies want you to shape up. If you want to experience marital bliss – despite all the inherent personal dangers for men in today’s “marriage economy” – you must make yourself “economically attractive“:

“Most American women hope to marry, but current shortages of marriageable men — men with a stable job and a good income — make this increasingly difficult,” says lead author Daniel Lichter in a press release.

The stats don’t lie and they are pretty bleak. More women are enrolled in college than ever before and more are expected to enter through the middle of the coming decade. Now, a degree doesn’t guarantee a woman a job, and it says nothing about the majors and job sectors women prefer, but a college education does reinforce the idea that women are entitled to marry an economically attractive man who himself has an education and enough aspiration to make something of himself to become marriageable.

That’s some real shit right there and we’re not even half way through this post. We’ve gotten to the point where the truth of the past five decades is apparent; gendered politics has actively, openly, disadvantaged men in terms of education. Whether this hobbling of men is via educational dispensations (Title IX) or social conventions (divorce, child support, Duluth model feminism) the outcome is now unignorable.

In most western societies today there is a separate standard of justice that applies to women. Women are receive far fewer consequences and are sentenced much more leniently than men for committing the exact same crimes. These are easily proven statistics, but even when they are brought to light the gynocentric social order doubles down and justifies them because, women.

My intent here today isn’t to depress anyone. Neither am I drawing attention to this because I’ve made a new turn to the Men Rights Movement. No doubt there’ve been many article already written about the female hubris inherent in these revelations – revelations the Red Pill community has been pointing out for almost two decades now.

The manifestations of about 50 years of social changes produced by a feminine-primary social order are unignorable. Even mainstream media sources are finally seeing these stories as the red meat du jour for the masses now. A lot of the Red Pill principles and I and many other men in the Manosphere have been drawing attention to about intersexual dynamics are now coming to light in popular consciousness.

Aww Quit Complaining

Last year I delivered the State of the Manosphere Address, and in that talk I outlined the rise of what I saw as a new Gender War (or gender cold war). Naturally I was called a reactionary, and have been since described as “overly negative” even by the organization that asked me to deliver that speech. But yet, everything in that outline has come to pass in less than a year. Of course, the easy dismissal is to blame this on election year propaganda. More than one mainstream talkshow conservative has jumped on the Toxic Masculinity bandwagon, pointing out how the Left and mainstream feminism are one and the same.

However, there have been many swings of the political pendulum in the past 50 years. Conservative zeitgeists have contributed to the same feminine-primary social order that’s resulted in men being unmarriageable today. It’s just been good politics to appeal to the Feminine Imperative no matter what side of the political aisle you happen to sit on.

But I’m a man. I’m not supposed to be overly concerned with issues like this. As long as I’m measuring up to my Burden of Performance any marginal raising-of-awareness to truths like the ones above make me seem like I’m complaining. And that’s something men are never allowed to do. It’s a very effective way of silencing men. Get them to feel like they ought to silence themselves. Real men don’t complain.

Meanwhile, it’s Broke Men who are hurting American Women’s Marriage Prospects. My good friend Dalrock once wrote a series of post around the idea that feminism would be so much more successful if men would only cooperate with it. When women are unable to optimally complete their mating (and life’s) strategies it’s men’s fault for being uncooperative. It’s men’s fault when women’s life plans don’t come together as Sheryl Sandberg told them it would. It’s men’s fault when they won’t play the approved role they should when women hit their Epiphany Phase and their sexual priorities shift.

Confirming the Red Pill

If you needed a better illustration of the Solipsism inherent in women’s nature you’ll be hard pressed to find it on a bigger scale than the dozens of stories bemoaning the lack of marriageable men today. Furthermore, it goes to prove another Red Pill truth: as a man, women don’t care who you are as much as what you are. I’ve taken a lot of heat over the years over my assessment of how men and women have different concepts of love. Men love idealistically. I rarely get any pushback on that assertion, but when I layout how women’s Hypergamous natures predispose them to a concept of love based on opportunism men and women lose their minds.

Yet, here we are. Women enthusiastically proving my point for me without me having to do any heavy lifting. As women become more comfortable in Open Hypergamy we see this embracing of their nature proudly flaunted. Naturally women will double down on this.

Of course women don’t wanna marry no bum!

And then the Trad-Cons join the chorus,

It’s men’s fault they aren’t measuring up to being the men all women are entitled to.

There are dozens of studies that correlate divorce with women earning more than their husbands. In fact, women are reluctant to admit that they out-earn their husbands. Throughout the history of this blog I’ve shown the evolved reasons for this dynamic, but what the articles all dance around is women’s natural evolutionary desire for men who exceed them in all aspects. But because we’ve opted to believe in, and standardized on, social constructionism we lay all of that on “societal expectations” of men and women. In a future essay I’ll be defining how the cope of humans being ‘above it all’ in their evolved instincts is the root source of many deliberate misgivings about intersexual conflict. For now, understand that blaming any inconvenient intersexual truth on a nebulous “society” is the go-to rationale for a feminine-primary social order.

If only men would evolve and rise above what society foists on them we women would be happy” versus “Men need to accommodate women’s success by making themselves more ‘economically desirable’

And “Oh, but love is important too, *wink wink*.”

“Many young men today have little to bring to the marriage bargain, especially as young women’s educational levels on average now exceed their male suitors’,” Lichter says.

It’s interesting that some articles advocate for marriage as a “stabilizing force” in society, all while never (maybe deliberately) seeing the economic risks of disaster that the divorce industry incentivizes in women. There’s nothing stabilizing about promoting marriage between men you’ve deemed “economically unattractive” and women who feel entitled to a man who exceeds their Hypergamous expectations. There’s nothing ‘stabilizing’ about the incidence of divorce between couples where the man is unable to out-earn his wife.

Naturally we want to make this a ‘his‘ problem. He can’t get over the fact that she makes more, has more education, etc. He’s insecure in his masculinity and must feel threatened by Her success. Or it could be the fact that on an instinctual level he understands that it’s an evolved imperative for a man to provide for and protect his family. This is the fallacy of Rise Above It. No matter how enlightened and progressive we’d like to think we are nature drags us back to reality. It’s not a socially constructed problem – if it were it would be easily solved – it’s a human nature problem. Women reveal the true Hypergamous nature in articles like these. They want a man who they can naturally look up to, respect and admire. That’s the natural truth coming out, but they source the problem in a socially constructed fantasy that it’s men’s insecurities that are holding them back from completing women’s mating/life strategies.

Women don’t need to get married anymore. The average age of first marriage is hovering around 27 years old for most couples. Studies also show that more than half of young people in America don’t have a romantic partner. We’ve all but eliminated the Beta Bucks side of the Hypergamous equation for women. Open Hypergamy (and Open Cuckoldry) are the logical outcomes of this provisioning insurance we’ve made ubiquitous for women over the last 40 years. Yet, women still want to be married to a man who outclasses them in all areas of life. They feel they deserve that guy. Their hindbrain knows they do, but the nebulous society still encourages women to believe there’s never been a better time for them to be single. This is the message women are being fed as they complain about men’s not living up to being their “equals”.

Nearly half of working-age women will be single in 2030, a new Morgan Stanley study predicts, a demographic that will drive increased sales for companies in the athletic wear, cosmetics and clothing sectors.

The investment bank’s “Rise of the SHEconomy” report says 45 percent of working-age women between 25 and 44 in the U.S. will be single women in 10 years, Forbes reported.

Single women will drive the economy in the next decade and savvy businesses are already planning on exploiting this demographic. But yet it’s men’s fault for not being marriageable and/or avoiding marriage altogether?

Too many people think I’m down on marriage. Apparently 23 years of what most guys would consider an ideal marriage isn’t enough to convince them. Honestly, as an institution – socially enforced monogamy – I think marriage, based on evolved gender difference complementarity has been the foundation of the success of western culture. But maybe we’re at a turning point in human history where traditional marriage is left behind, replaced by feminine-primary polygamy with all its inherently violent risks. It seems we’re heading in a direction where we convince Beta men it’s in their reproductive interests to abandon their evolved need to be invested in their own paternity – and that attending to and raising the children of men that women selected before them makes them ‘better men’.

There’s a lot more to the anti-marriage reasoning than just the “losing half my stuff” arguments.

It really sucks for a guy like me who’s managed to make a Red Pill aware marriage work in spite of all this. Guys get confused. How can I be anti-marriage and still married? But it’s just that dichotomy that tells the you about the nature of what marriage has become for men today. The way we do marriage today has the potential to be the most damaging decision a man can make in his life. It may even end his life. But despite all that I still believe men and women are better together than we are apart. We still evolved to be complements to the other.

It’s the coming together and living together, and all the downside risks to men today that I have no solution for at the moment. Maybe it’s going to take a war or a meteor striking the earth to set gender parity back in balance, but at the moment there’s only a future of sexual segregation to look forward to.

Published by Rollo Tomassi

Author of The Rational Male and The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine

457 comments on “Unmarriageable

  1. Excellent article and great read. I was never that attractive of a male and was always overweight (most certainly and quite definitely a hereditary abnormal defective genetic abnormality of inferiority). Natural selection and lack of financial resources working in a limited income earning occupation assured my inability to be an attractive candidate or marriageable male for mating and procreation. Some of us are selected over in the gene pool regarding marriage and procreative means. I still love sociology and I’ve never thought of committing suicide, so I’ve got that going for me!

  2. Ironically, I am reading this post at a wedding, the bride just walked down the aisle!

    Most of the people here are married already, some young women in the back are holding babies. In a few years almost all of them, including the groom’s young friends, will be married. Orthodox Jews have a marriage rate around 90% by age 30, the age when most Americans are just starting to think about getting married.

    At the rate things are going in America, most of the people getting married and having children within a normal family unit will be traditional and religious. The mainstream has for decades thrown out traditional values like family, gender roles, and masculinity. Yes, they still get married, sometimes. My wife has a friend, not Jewish or religious at all, who just cheated on her husband at a wedding party.

    At this wedding, single men and woman barely talk to each other, it’s not normal in this circle. Introductions for singles are made through family, family friends or rabbis typically. Yes, it’s weird, it’s not politically correct, and some people would call it fanatical.

    But here we are getting married and having babies. The ancient system still works. The future belongs to whoever shows up. The people starting families and having babies.

    Sure, plenty of babies are being made outside or marriage, but what say do those fathers have in the values and education of those children? They are raised by single mothers and the state via public education. There is no continuity, no transmission of values from the older generation to the new.

    I would not advocate for anyone to turn their life upside down and become religious. And I did it.
    But the proof is in the kosher pudding. I’m at a wedding and the young bride and groom and under the canopy getting blessings from rabbis, about to begin a new generation…

  3. You know how the tradcons tell us that married people are richer, so we should get married if we want to be rich? Well, they are liars who got it exactly ass backwards. Rich people are much more likely to get married in the first place, so, it was being rich that made them married, not getting married that made them rich.

  4. @ PalmaSailor

    OK, what, if you had a better relationship, and you were your son’s mentor, do you have to tell about a Praxeology in this dilemma. What to do. With Grammar<Logic<Rhetoric. Facts<Understanding<Wisdom.

    What to do. I’m asking both rhetorically but also boots on the ground practices.

    I’m asking because I know you as a wise man.

    BTW, I’m not fearful about what comes ahead for my newly married daughter. I love my son-in-law. Nor my nearly 25 year old son.

    I was out at my farm with BluePillProfessor today and he is very discourage about the social climate for his sons (who are young). We had a forty minute drive out there each way and had a lively discussion. A great discussion. He filled me on about some red pill and religion stuff. I’m totally ignorant of The Bible (he’s not).

    I riffed on some out of/never-dabble-in-grief stuff and Unicorn/Whitelandia stuff.

    Oh, and Mother Nature was beautiful.

  5. “Rich people are much more likely to get married in the first place, so, it was being rich that made them married, not getting married that made them rich.”

    Q.E.D “quod erat demonstrandum”, literally meaning “what was to be shown”

    So what is your take-home message? What do you advocate?

    I figured Rollo’s statement in the last paragraph, was to prompt suggestions on what to do.

    With all that said, What are you going to do about it?

    I’ll wait for your answer. Do you have one?

  6. @Rabbi the issue is that religious communities are beta factories I know I come from one.
    Also contradictions between competing religious world views.
    Other than that it works great.

  7. “Back to your question though, and I don’t think that there is anything you can do on a societal level.”

    I agree. So when any of my old guy friends start talking about a “top down” approach to solving things, my eyes glaze over and I’m no longer interested in the discussion. About changing society for the better and what the manosphere can do for it.

    That said, the content providers in the manosphere are doing great work. And I still think a “bottoms up” approach works.

    “So I’m not sure I really understand what your question is, as far as men are concerned at the moment I think it’s madness for them to marry, even if they have tight game.”

    Leave marriage out of the equation. The question is how do you and guys advise your son’s if indeed they need advice on how to proceed as males? Now and in real time. So as to have your children have agency. And so as not to be nihilistic?

    As I think everyone will turn out fine if the put their best foot forward and are the best representation of themselves. It goes more to the guys that are lurking and trying to find that. What is a young guy to do? That’s the question. I’m also solipsistic. And I’m an optimist. And I see things as not nihilistic. And I see fine prospects for my son. But I’m different. And not on the median of a bell curve. My question is both rhetorical and praxeologic.

    Once again, you are a well-experienced, well-reasoned guy, Palma. What advice would you give to your son. I see your son as being successful in the future. He seems cool/attractive and has good genes from you (which matters and is in effect). What if he weren’t and was depressed? Where to then? What do you do for young males that are stuck in grief stages.

    Actionable advice. Enough description. Let’s get to prescriptions. For stuff.

    It’s not about us old red pill guys. None of us would get married again. I’m asking about how to give actionable advice to young men, specifically. Including: make mistakes, pay for them later. Just make the right mistakes and pay as little as possible. Or have plenty of revenue to pay.

  8. Wow Rollo….

    I’m 50/50 on this thing about marriage and what women are saying and writing and doing. It’s all really, really fucked up, but I ain’t even going to just blanketly let all Teh Menz completely off the hook here.

    Things are very different. Men especially, are VERY different. This is why I laugh until my balls hurt when any guy younger than myself chides me about being ” Old School ” ( or just old period ).

    You’ve been married about a year longer than I have. How’s stuff like that happen?

    Call me a ” rebel ” or ” revolutionary ” ( lmao ) or any other semi derogatory term, but I gave up on ” society ” and ” religion ” and ” class ” and mostly all of the nonsensical bullshit that men kept clinging to until all of that shit went horribly south, dragging many of them down like the fucking titanic. How in the Wide world of Sports is any man supposed to be able to put together coherent thoughts and plans of actions whilst being blown all over the place by the whims of society and wimminz?

    Lol, everyone was with the worship of money, until they had a harder time getting it and chicks started surpassing them. So now what do? Everybody was with virtue signaling ( <<< first time I’ve ever used this term ) about being a devout ” whatever ” and attending church and worship and tithing, and all of that stuff, until feminism and feminist thought started seeping in, so now what do?

    What do you do when all you have in life, all that defines you as a man/human being , is based on what the fuck everybody/somebody else is saying, thinking, doing?

    So when society goes batshit crazy, so will you. It must be so for those that think so highly of what other folks want and think and believe.

    For the 100th time, There is More than ONE Red Pill . Society specifically and men by proxy are delusional, and those that avoid mental incapacitation just drop the fuck out and die off.

    Idk if I’d ever go as far as to say that marriage is a stabilizing force, but the correct relationship between men and women – All men and women – most certainly is. Men shouldn’t just fold up like cheap ass lawn furniture. I always thought this was common sense. Men still have more testosterone than women…for now….and guys are still capable of building muscle and growing beards and shit, so it’s still apparent, so what is it about the Disney Bullshit that has such a strong mental hold? Yup, Disney ain’t just for little girls anymore. Muh Job, Muh education, Muh church, Muh earnings…. Muh ass. All of that shit is secondary to First fulfilling you’re role as a Man, and the first rule of ” Man Club ” is: You’re not a fucking woman. Women do women shit, men do men shit, and when society decides that women can do men shit, as a man you reject that wholeheartedly and double down.

    They can’t lock everybody up.

    Why is it that RP knowledge makes things easier ( fuck your feelings ) to grasp and navigate? Because truths are self fucking evident, regardless to what anyone says to the contrary. But if everyone easily sings from the same BP ( brainwashed ) hymnal, willingly because ” wimminz “, the shit falls apart. It has to. Amazons and Wonder Woman ain’t real, see what I’m saying? All of the shit you love will cease to exist in short order if men can’t nut up and re-take your rightful place. Bitches complain, men either fix shit and make it right, or they destroy it all.

    Or you can keep down the appeasement highway with frequent stops at the despair rest stops.

    Fuck a woman’s education/college degree, fuck her earning power ( lol ), fuck her ” position ” in society. None of that bullshit trumps ” Man ” if you are one. There’s more to ” the better deal ” than how much money you might have ( or don’t have ). It only matters if you’re following somebody else’s program of concession – your concession.

    I’m sorry, maybe it’s because i’m older and I’d rather die right now than capitulate willingly, but I fear no woman or any of her enablers, or any of the crazier shit they collectively foist on everyone. 50% single? Jesus Christ. That’s the description of mental disorder if I ever heard one. I guess soon birds will stop flying and just walk everywhere. How the actual fuck did men become so docile?

    Which brings up my final point. The cries of ” No Good Men ” isn’t totally without merit considering what I’ve outlined. I’m not talking about what the old harpy bitch is complaining about, but more in general. They said they wanted you to be nicer, and calmer, and more caring, and gentler… then they stopped doing these things and when they looked around for someone to correct them, men were all in their feelz. Look, when the car is in the fucking ditch, you have get of the accelerator and put that motherfucker in reverse.

    Or…

    You could turn off the engine, complain about the unfairness of ditches, and sit there until you become skeletal.

    Your choice.

  9. I thought you’d stop posting. Thank goodness! Phew! I hope you’re not upset women read your blog. It it quite informative and interesting. Keep it up!

  10. @SJF

    Oh sorry – my sons mentor, it’s simple:

    Don’t marry.

    Ok. Got it.

    Will that fly? With him? And with you? Is that going to work out fine?

    And it fits with the original post. I don’t disagree for most young men.

    What about the Elliot Rogers’?

    I still have a bit of cognitive dissonance over that, though.

    Me and my ilk fucking love married life. It’s all around me and it’s like Mother Nature herself. Energy Giving. And all of it’s downstream benefits. But some of us got in before the lock. And some Reconstructed ourselves.

    But I understand.

  11. @Rollo

    “Of course women don’t wanna marry no bum!”

    Some men really are bums…I see them at highway exits and street corners, panhandling. They refuse to work full-time. I was hit up by four different bums in two days in a major city.

    “It’s men’s fault they aren’t measuring up to being the men all women are entitled to.”

    I actually have never heard this. But I’ve seen lots of young men who are insecure, including some PUAs. They get dumped a lot. I’ve also seen a lot of men who live in their parents’ basement and work at low paying jobs and have no ambition.

    Other men are out-earned by their wives and give up trying to earn a living.

    Sure, all these men have been beat up by FI programs playing in their heads. But at the end of the day, men are responsible for not letting themselves be hoodwinkied.

    You hate marriage. 😉

  12. “What do you do when all you have in life, all that defines you as a man/human being , is based on what the fuck everybody/somebody else is saying, thinking, doing?”

    Amen Brother. That is about not having to rely on external validation. And being Self-Differentiated.

    Here’s a partial road map:

    How To Grow Up
    The road map for becoming an authentic adult is also a blueprint for putting passion back in relationships.

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/articles/201205/how-grow

  13. “Just pissed off at the world?”

    Yes. Exactly.

    My favorite pet peeve in the world: ” I just don’t understand why….” ….Things have to be this way….

    I don’t like that.

  14. “The solution for men is to look in the mirror, admit to their failings, own their shit and be the best men they can be despite that.”

    Very nice Palma.

    My sentiments exactly and what I try to get done and resonate with my red pill buddies. And it gets done most of the time.

    And it’s exactly what my wife would want. Now. Right Now.

    That is workable.

    Good stuff. You are a good man, my friend.

  15. Love the comments here. Rollo’s prose and articulate writing style brings out the best of experiences from his readers. I’m proud and honored to appreciatively benefit from learning about the sociological aspects of modern civilization through the eyes of today’s men. We’re all broken and flawed, but my god the stories. I’m sure everyone here has read about the future of humanity, with Singularity and Futurism paramount and forthcoming predicting our human fate. We’ll no doubt transcend humanity eventually with the merging of the machines and technocracy replacing the human touch. Hell, we’re already on our way and we’re seeing economic and social changes in the form of transformations, diversity with the roles of traditional marriage and income disparity among the poor, the working classes and wealthier tier of society. I’m reminded of “The Thinker”, a world renown french sculpture artist Auguste Rodin which depicts a stone pedestal whereby his work shows a nude male figure of heroic size sitting on a rock with his chin resting on one hand as though deep in thought, I’ve pondered what the future will hold when mankind shows and depicts a robotic figuring holding the heads or bodies of both man, woman and child as if to determine their beneficial biological relevancy need regarding use for civilization utilization.

  16. A lot of commenters here got lost in the maze.

    And that’s OK.

    Here is the next paradigm shift that’s really going to shake things up:

    …When men finally STOP viewing Marriage as an IMAGE of SUCCESS…

    Because today, for most of us -including Rollo – marriage is still a lofty goal…

    What if it wasn’t ?

    Prepare your lifeboats gentlemen.

    The Black Pill is bitter.

    Fav. Personal Quote: “Women are not a mystery, they are an algorithm.” -Midnight Runner

  17. Women aren’t attracted to most if not all men (they said it themselves) so essentially female biology is destroying civilization. Just as our ancestors said it would.

  18. 95% of women think they’re entitled to the top 5% of men. 95% of men are just dropping out of society due not only to this fact but the horrible, nasty behavior of women who have become really unhygenic, disgusting, loud mouthed, nasal voiced monsters. Female sexuality in itself is incredibly perverse, being turned on by how much more of a horrible human being you manage to be. The grosser, more violent, more degenerate you are – is worth much more than a STEM degree if you manage to pull it off. This would work in principle, except women taking control of society is bad because women are barely sentient and can’t figure out how anything works, because their brains are not evolved enough to see beyond their primitive urges for violent cavemen.

  19. @ palma

    “Rabid feminists without children – genetic line dead…

    Tranny that cuts it’s cock off – genetic line dead

    Highly feminised soyboy that cant get laid – genetic line deal

    Nature clearing down the shit.

    The next stage of evolution doesn’t involve them breeding…”

    Agreed, and that’s a good thing, for sure. But unfortunately in the West stupid people are out-breeding intelligent people. This is definitely the case in Australia, the U.K. & U.S.A. And they’re also getting fatter, unhealthier and stupider it seems, so factoring in climate change that’s gonna kick in majorly hard within the next few years (it’s already gathering pace with extreme weather events across the globe ~ already got bushfires razing houses in New South Wales this Spring, ffs!) I don’t hold much hope for the future of humanity, let alone any other species apart from cockroaches and termites. That is the real elephant in the room…

    I myself haven’t stepped up and produced any intelligent Silver FoX off-spring, so I’m partly to blame for this sad state of affairs. It would have been good if it had happened, but I’m too old and too set in my cruisy lifestyle to go through bringing up a baby even if there was the chance. But you never know…;-)

    Current squeeze is only 35, fit and slim and very into me with no dramas my RP education can’t handle. It’s been a welcome relief from the previous drought. She is always keen to please me. Says I’m just the perfect blend of masculine for her, and her pussy is always wet! She lives out here too, so easy rendezvous’s, like tonight for the AFL finals. Go well, brother…

  20. @ Nuclear Blackpill

    “95% of women think they’re entitled to the top 5% of men. 95% of men are just dropping out of society due not only to this fact but the horrible, nasty behavior of women who have become really unhygenic, disgusting, loud mouthed, nasal voiced monsters. Female sexuality in itself is incredibly perverse, being turned on by how much more of a horrible human being you manage to be…”

    I hear you man, but in reality this just does not play out. Women love to fuck, and will fuck you if learn how to play the game. Forget the top 5% of men. Being a ZFG authentically masculine man on your on journey will get the poozy interested. But learning this, even if one is a natural, is still often a long and at times painful journey. I am a classic example of a natural slayer who has just come out of a grinding dry spell. This hit me hard as a 50+ man, but it has definitely put things into perspective. I am better for the experience, and am now very RP alpha with the new babe, and she just laps it up. Embrace the burden of performance, own it, live it, keep improving yourself for you, be authentic, dynamic & passionate (as Sentient wisely tells us), playfully flirt with girls at every opportunity (even one’s you’re not interested in fucking, as they will still give plenty of feminine sugar if you’re being genuine which is fun for both parties) and pay attention to the covert signals interested girls will transmit to you, and be fearless in gaming them. Never forget, they’re just girls, and if you can make them giggle, they are open to fucking you, unless you fuck it up…

  21. I’ve seen numerous articles/posts about that study, but NONE has actually questioned what the study means by “Many young men today have little to bring to the marriage bargain”.

    What is The Marriage Bargain? It can’t mean financial provision for sexual access, can it? Each brings “sexual access”, so that’s a wash. And given that “home duties” and being a supportive spouse (whatever that means) is as equal a marital contribution as setting up a multi-billion, global distribution network, that’s a wash too.

    I’m sure everyone here knows what it really means. I’m just really bemused that no-one (anywhere) is saying it.

  22. @Mineter Interesting commentary about Marriage defined. I remember my Grandparents. Both had a role, a defined role of their instrumental essential parts in the play and neither seemingly frustrated or disturbed of their role playing parts. The were seemingly happy and content and blessed to have taken their roles in middle-class society. Fascinating that materialism, superficiality and social status has changed the fundamental descriptive social contract of marriage in the last five decades. Men are expendable. The seventies were nothing but high divorce rates and children became latch-key kids being raised by television and media. Today it’s magnified a hundred fold. Within a few years, robots and AI will raise our children with or without two biological parents. Welcome to the machine my son. Welcome, my son, Welcome to the machine, What did you dream? It’s alright, we told you what to dream. You dreamed of a big star. He played a mean guitar. He always ate in the Steak Bar, He loved to drive in his Jaguar…So welcome to the machine

  23. @ nuclear

    Serious inquiry: where are you approximately that you are seeing all of these loud and unhygenic females? Enough to put forth that it’s a wide spread problem?

    Sorry, I must challenge when guys say shit like that because it sounds an awful lot like part of a cavalcade of excuses. ” they aren’t worth it because they’re nasty and mean and they smell badly.. ” 😂.

    It’s like all of my entire life, everywhere I’ve roamed, I haven’t run into vast hoardes of rabid feminists, and I ignore them online and in media. Media skews the fuck out of damn near everything in life.

  24. “Why is it that RP knowledge makes things easier ( fuck your feelings ) to grasp and navigate?”

    The problem is that most men won’t accept the RP until they have been ass-raped by reality. Including some readers here. Which explains why their lives are shit and they are incel.

    They just want to whine about how bad women are and sulk in their self-pitying shit, instead of fixing themselves based on reality.

    They want to work menial jobs and live in their parents’ basement and watch porn and play videogames and whine about women.

    If they wanted to fix themselves, they could hit the gym and work out, work on job and business skills, work on their social skills, work to build up their social circle, work at changing their personality to be sexy, etc. Then women would be throwing themselves at these men.

    But, see, there’s a problem…that work thing….

  25. @Rollo: a good application of RP knowledge to the social situation regarding marriage.

    Lots of nice comments as well.

    Thanks!

  26. So..
    “I want to marry a man that earns more than me”
    “I don’t want men to be obviously earning more than me”
    Fried.
    Ice.

    Every time.

  27. Cough

    That’s why you ignore all of that dumb shit.

    Frame.

    You can’t beat them at their own game ( usually ) if you don’t understand their take on the playbook.

  28. The issue is that women are by and large right in that there are no good men around. The problem isn’t women — women are being themselves. The problem is men — men today, by and large, suck, period.

    Most men are lazy, worthless and weak. We know this just by looking around. They complain about everything, are butthurt because they feel entitled to things that require work (pussy, money, respect), and are not willing to put in the effort and the time to actually make anything of themselves. They’d rather slack, work at some undemanding job, play video games and watch porn after work, and not make any effort at self-improvement, and then go in the internet and bitch about how women won’t date them.

    Sorry, but the problem isn’t women — the problem is men. Women are fine. Women have simply adapted to the changed culture and context — a context which allows women full reproductive choice (due to reprod tech being easily available and legal) and full economic independence (due to the economy moving away from industry and into service/knowledge/office work). They have adapted. Men, by and large, have lagged in adapting. It’s obvious — everyone can see it. Many men don’t want to adapt. It’s too much work. It requires too much effort. It requires too much personal change, and personal self-accountability and self-mastery. They would rather participate in the easy culture of low responsibility/low reward life, as long as they have enough money to pay the rent and get food and beer, and play their games and watch their porn, they’re fine.

    It’s no wonder these guys are seen as poor marriage candidates — that’s because they are poor marriage candidates. They suck at life.

    There was a time 25 or so years ago when the social changes were so new that it was reasonable to give men slack for not being fully caught up. There was a natural “lag” at that point, and there was no internet to go to for instant information. That isn’t the case today, and hasn’t been the case for more than a decade. For men today to be ignorant really isn’t a valid excuse at all — the information is all there, and it’s all hiding in plain sight. Heck, the core ideas are even in the mainstream. The issue isn’t ignorance, the issue is laziness, lack of motivation, fear of failure, lack of ambition and drive and self-ownership — lack of character all around. Men are failing because they are weak and lazy and self-absorbed and basically worthless as human beings as a result, never mind as mates for girls.

    The basic advice is always the same. Get up off your ass. Discipline yourself. Get goals. Devise a plan from A to B goal. And start working. Work hard, at everything — money, muscles, social skills — work tirelessly at all of it. Improve yourself constantly. Stop being so lazy. Stop playing video games. Stop watching porn. Stop being resentful of women, because they are better at adapting than men are. Get up off your ass and make something of yourself, you lazy motherfucker!

    /end rant

    [And, yes, I have a son who is 20, who is very self-directed and is not one of these types. He hates them as much as I do.]

  29. @Palma,

    “Clearing down the gene pool on some of the stupidity going on out there can’t be all bad.”

    Would be nice, but it’s not happening. Trannies and bluehairs going childless isn’t going to return us to the Norman Rockwell era. Trannies are less than 1 percent, so hardly worth mentioning. And if over half of our ‘normal’ women aren’t having kids due to feminist bs, then that’s not really some beneficial culling. That’s a disintegration of our culture. The oncoming legion of bastards is where this is heading.

  30. Novaseeker,

    I mostly agree with what you are saying, but I don’t think one can give women a pass here. The truth is most women are NOT adapting to what most men want from a mate. It may be true that a very large number of men are not meeting the achievement, success, status bar, for what most women want of a “marriageable” candidate, but not many women are meeting the bar of actually being physically enough attractive to those “losers” to make a better alternative to porn. Frankly, I’ve been disgusted by how few 6+s I see on Tinder and Bumble and POF compared to the epidemic of fat land whales who appear to put zero effort into actually being visually appealing. Incentives drive behavior… Lots of “losers” are arguably choosing behavior aligned with existing incentives.

  31. SJF,

    “And it’s exactly what my wife would want.”

    Ha ha. True colors there.

    Tradconnery always outs.

    Well it goes to motive.

    I’m not saying anything different than Palma, Blax or Novaseeker.

    It’s not done for external validation. It’s standing on your own two feet being self-differentiated. Not doing it for her. Doing it for you. Makes you more attractive, not unattractive.

    I’m not sure what Trad-Con means. Other than the first set of social, inter-sexual books.

  32. At least they are (perhaps unwittingly) acknowledging the contractual nature of modern marriage. I’ve been considering the idea that maybe all marriages and all sexual relationships are transactions in nature, the only difference is the currency. I mean if a woman has sex with the hot bad boy, she’s getting validation for her ego, so isn’t she trading sexual access for that validation? It just doesn’t cost the man as much. How is that any different than women trading sexual access for marriage and provisioning?
    You might say it’s because of genuine desire, but is it really? I have found that most women are more than capable of having hot monkey sex with any guy that they find attractive for any of their criteria, whether it be looks and money, looks and personality, or personality and money. It’s only a matter of the price they are willing to pay for the relationship.

  33. “I have found that most women are more than capable of having hot monkey sex with any guy that they find attractive for any of their criteria, whether it be looks and money, looks and personality, or personality and money”

    Really? I doubt it… I mean that is essentially the alpha fux beta bux distinction. With looks and personality it is the GUY that is attractice, with money… Well… It is the MONEY that is attractive not the guy. The former gets the “hot money sex”, the latter the transactional duty sex although perhaps many women are capable of “performing” quite well for the $$$$

  34. @morpheus

    “not many women are meeting the bar of actually being physically enough attractive to those “losers” to make a better alternative to porn”

    lol. My guy there are tons of young hot 20 somethings that take pride in their appearance and hence put a LOT of effort to look beautiful. Pull an hb7+ back her place and you’ll see. Just because youre not meeting them doesn’t mean there aren’t many girls out there today that are better alternatives to porn.

    “I’ve been disgusted by how few 6+s I see on Tinder and Bumble and POF compared to the epidemic of fat land whales who appear to put zero effort into actually being visually appealing”

    -_____-

  35. J,

    I’m 45, it’s a whole another population for women 40+. No doubt, there are still plenty of hotties 21-30. Truth is I look really young for 45 and easily routinely pass for early 30s but I’ve learned that doesn’t mean shit for the first pass filter online, the only interest I get from 22-25 are “hookers” looking for sugar daddies. Truth is I need to get my ass out in the real world to some bars with the 20s, and do some approaching.

  36. Women depend on spending a man’s money to drive the economy, so what happens when there is no more man’s money for the whamens to spend?

  37. I am delighted to learn that Novaseeker has a twenty-year-old son who is doing well yet to me his comment reads like a version of ‘man-up and marry them sluts’. On the assumption that things are as bad with young males as he says (I have no idea) then given as the chart at the top of Rollo’s essay shows the educational misery of men, how in tarnation are the 60% of men who do not attend an establishment of tertiary education going to persuade the sixty per cent of women that do as to the viability of themselves as potential husbands. – and even if they did so, is the best they can hope for (see photo at top of essay) a land whale – never mind the emotional and financial risks of the sort that makes ‘going over the top’ WW1 style seem perhaps a better option? Somehow, Porn in the basement might seem preferable. If I have a dog in this fight it is that no woman I was ever interested in wanted me – and that was back in the day when the number of female undergrads (where I am) was not even in the 10% range.

    Something very worrying is going on: by way of example. Yesterday by happenstance I came across the site setting out the awards winners and nominees in the Mystery writers association. The awards go back to the 90s. As one might imagine most nominees are (save where only initials are given and thus the sex cannot be determined of the author ) men, with the occasional female. Yet since about 2015 there is hardly a man to be seen. Is it: that men have stopped dreaming up those clever novels?; cannot get published because they are men? or; are published but being men are not considered eligible for nomination?

  38. “Is it: that men have stopped dreaming up those clever novels?; cannot get published because they are men? or; are published but being men are not considered eligible for nomination?”

    Yes.

  39. There are several factors here.

    1: Confusion and transposition of cause and effect.
    2: Intrinsic female solipsism and projection.
    3: Narrative no longer lags behind truth.

    Much of my family is boomers, with younger people mostly absent. This is related and will be mentioned later. Despite being every bit the stereotypical boomers these red pills were semi effective on them or at least they seemed that way. They could very well reset their NPC scripts later.

    Anyways here is what is going on here. Throughout most of history, until the generation of boomer’s fathers children were assets. At the absolute minimum they meant more hands for manual labor and more heirs for the family. Since things were generally more self contained back then, people often had a personal farm if nothing else. Children could also grant you influence in other fields, such as your son becoming a priest and securing church favors for the family or gaining influence with some other family, etc. In the boomer generation children rather abruptly quit becoming assets. Inheritance tax, skilled hands instead of any, more focus on corporations instead of family houses etc instantly obviated the advantages. Not only that, but you had means of separating sex from reproduction and more entertainment options besides sex. Rather unsurprisingly, the market corrected immediately and a generation who generally had 5-10 kids saw those kids generally have 0-2 of their own. Exceptions for every rule of course but that’s the general pattern.

    There was another change that happened around this time as well. Females became only shallow and superficial assets at best and marriage lost even the illusion of being an asset for men. The market did not correct on this matter immediately and men still went along with the old patterns even though it was no longer needed, no longer beneficial, and no longer effective.

    Now fast forward 1-2 generations depending on how you count it. Most men under 35, myself included regularly saw the results of this lack of adaptation firsthand. Fathers, uncles, older brothers of yourself and any childhood friends you had, what few male teachers you had… all of them or at least the overwhelming majority of them all had wonderful experiences with the modern wahman who abandoned all sophistry in favor of letting her honest nature – feminism show openly. Then you’d look at the females around your own age and while you were likely learning from the mistakes of your elders so that you would not repeat them the females were learning of them so that they could emulate them and double down on them and become even worse.

    The truly exceptional learned very young that females were now liabilities and not assets on any level. Even when the hormones kicked in they recognized that shallow and superficial attraction didn’t change their nature and they were only good for that.

    The somewhat less exceptional learned that in adulthood.

    The somewhat less exceptional learned that the hard way in adulthood after doing things the old way resulted in a sudden yet inevitable betrayal.

    The non exceptional have not learned at all and keep making the same mistakes expecting different results. This group is very rapidly shrinking and all the other roads lead the same place.

    Instead of not being a liability anymore, females have repeatedly doubled down becoming greater and greater liabilities. Females in their natural environment and behavioral patterns are of course the second best recruiter, the best recruiter is TradCucks. After all even a used car salesman still generally uses a positively biased high pressure approach. The positive qualities are likely exaggerated or fabricated, he still recognizes he is selling you on something so he focuses on selling you on that something. A negatively biased approach, aka guilt and shame and the like just means there are no positive qualities you could be sold on and you’d never willingly agree so they pressure or force the matter.

    The graphic of the TradCuck and Feminists cops double teaming some guy really describes it perfectly. The government after all is the enforcer of all this and the reason why any man dumb enough that he thinks marriage is a good idea will quickly find he has all of the responsibility and none of the authority – that is, he is a slave.

    https://i.postimg.cc/PJFgR90Z/1557833831169.jpg

    But Anon you might be asking yourself, sure this is a cool story bro about history and all and might even be a Gender Studies degree that is actually fucking useful but how does this relate with the original subject of gold digging thots complaining they can no longer find any precious metals? In every possible way.

    See all roads, other than being an ignorant blue pill cuck for life lead to bachelorhood. You can call that something else like MGTOW if you want but for every one person that calls themselves MGTOW there’s about a hundred that are in everything but name and a thousand that either just call themselves bachelors or don’t call themselves anything but also aren’t interested in more than a rental pussy at most.

    If you are the betabux for a bunch of extra dependents being “economically viable” is not only desired, it’s a requirement and you’ll be spending the rest of your life slaving away for that purpose exploited by everyone around you especially the wife and employer who both will have the greatest understanding that you cannot say no, no matter how unreasonable a demand you present.

    Make children and females (but I repeat myself) not an asset or worse a liability and now it’s just you. A single man doesn’t want or need that much, even a rabid consumerist will still likely spend less than the average female. Well if you don’t need that much why try for that much? You can either go hard and retire very early when you can still actually enjoy it or just coast through life deliberately throttling yourself. After all where does the money go that you don’t spend on your wants or needs or a surplus for emergencies? When you die you can’t take it with you and family is removed from the equation. It will simply be looted from your corpse, so all going hard your entire life does is make a rich corpse for the government.

    But say you do it anyways despite all the disincentives starting with the female voted for progressive income tax that just punishes success and actually working in favor of coasting, investing, or otherwise meeting financial needs without actually producing anything of value.

    So you’re a high value man and you know the cost of females scales based on your value but the benefit remains exactly the same. Under normal circumstances you’d just rent, after all it floats flies or fucks. But with the females being an active liability it’s not even a case of the high value men ignoring some 35 year old afterthot in favor of relatively low mileage pre owned 18 year old pussy. It’s the man realizing nah, you all cost more than you’re worth and enjoy your cats. And this is why they’re raging, because all those other men were invisible anyways.

    Without pussy being a prize, with it being a low value commodity instead men just cut the dead weight from their lives and move on happier and healthier with less effort required.

    Feminism liberated men. As early as a few decades ago you’d be heavily discriminated against as a single man but now? Since there is no benefit for you anyways, only various hazards just skip it and you’ll be fine. The only ones that will discriminate are cases of misery loving company so ignore or if in a darker mood point and laugh. If they come at you with the usual NPC dialogue you can deconstruct it very quickly and they don’t have anything else.

    Females (and I have very purposely used the word female instead of woman throughout)? They own goaled themselves. Marriage was purely for their benefit at the expense of the man, they ruined it out of greed (more resources if they marry the state and make you the cuck). Children are something they biologically and universally require or they go insane. More specifically they need constant interaction and external validation from family and others which requires good relations with said family. Override every natural advantage and positive bias females and mothers have and turn your family on you and it’s the same as not having any as far as the female psyche is concerned. Men are individuals, and even the ones that want kids won’t go insane if they realize that’s simply impractical but with females they can’t override their own instincts as that requires PC level thought which some men and no females have. This is a degenerative disease that only gets worse over time. Once the current under 35 generation advances another decade there will be an inordinate number of female suicides because of it.

    And Pandora’s Box is already open. Men already realized they needed services and found those services elsewhere so even a NAWALT unicorn would have no place. There are several directions this can go, the most positive is artificial wombs.

    Truly, we live in interesting times.

  40. Well, college is not working out so good for womez , either, as majority of them are un-marriageable today. Of course, that kind of truth will never make it in the lame stream media nowadays. Men are not impressed by how many university degrees a woman has or how much money she makes…we care about will she be a good mother, can she take care of a household, can and will she cook and bake more than once or twice a year? Will she be reasonable with the family money??

    I’m just glad I did get married when I was in my mid-30’s to a late 20 something nearly 20 years ago, else I would be unmarried, as well. Fun fact – when I first got married, and for the first few years, my wife was always quoting her resume and humble bragging about her title at work…finally told her one day to knock it off, that is not why I married you at all. She finally (and reluctantly) got the hint and does not even bring it up anymore.

    Plus, I think the first way of 2nd tier feminist, like my wife was brought up to be, once they get into their 50’s they will be discard just like the men, for younger shinier models by their corporate masters faster than they could have ever contemplated. Just happened to my wife…worked at her firm 26+ years, and by end of this year will be package out. It has become a very rude awakening for most of then, and I predict all those suburban housewives that historically vote Democratic in the urban US area will .(and gave the House back to the Dems) in the 2018 election will have a change of heart in 2020.

  41. IN case anyone is wondering, I meant these 40 to 50 something womez will be voting to keep current POTUS, not for the Cuckservative party that had become the Republicans party in the states.

    Rollo is correct, and if you go over to VoxDay, he says the same thing – not a lot of difference today between the liberal Dems and a lot of “so-called” self identified conservatives…..they all seem to believe in the lie that is feminism. No wonder so many believe in a global cabal controlling things, as it would explain how two supposedly different political ideologies could believe in the same leftist socialist clap trap

  42. I was gonna edit in one other remark but the edit timer ran out.

    Marriage is purely beneficial for females. All outcomes including complete failure give her what she wants – resources. Complete failure can and often does give her more resources so she deliberately arranges it. Things like morality or thoughts of the father and family are not considerations here. It is all her her her.

    All of those benefits come at the expense of men. Marriage as a “stabilizing force” is no exception. In short slaves are stable for society and won’t burn the village so they can feel its warmth. You will be slaving away that you will lack any time and energy for rebellion or even properly maintaining your own body. The fact this introduces great physical/emotional/mental/financial/economic/social instability for you is immaterial, what matters is that single men become dangerous for society if they believe they have nothing they can lose and aren’t pacified by bread and circuses and that you do not meet all of those criteria. If you want a more practical example of what this looks like, any country in the Middle East will do.

    What we have now is single men, who aren’t dangerous by themselves but don’t really have better prizes than the non prize of pussy and who are being constantly demonized even though most would be perfectly content enjoying the bread and circuses while the world burns around them like the everything is fine dog. A smart society would respect and value its men in other more substantial and less fickle ways, instead it’s almost as if they want that sort of conflict and are deliberately baiting it.

  43. @ Morpheus

    If all you’re bringing to the table is money, I would agree with you, but if a guy has any two of the three, then that I believe changes everything. Of course if he has all three, he pretty much can have any that are available. I’ve never had a lot of money, but my wife has always thought I looked hot, even now at 63. Enough so that we have seven children together, and have been married for 43 years. Even if you’re right, that doesn’t change the point that all sex is a transaction whether it be with the hot guy, because she wants his genes, or the beta guy because she wants his money.

  44. @ Novaseeker-

    You are partially correct; many so called “men” under 40 suck nowadays. I see it everyday at my office, where the women look, act and sound tougher than most to the men there….heck, even my Millennial supervisor companies that his wife is a strong demanding type that will not listen to him. Go figure, when he looks I used when I was 12 years old….narrow, weak shoulders, no chest definition, skinny stick legs.

    However, you are oversimplifying things a bit. It is not entirely the mens’ fault; to wit:

    -Many of these men don’t grow up to be men because their mothers conveinetly ejected their fathers from their lives years earlier, and they are basically raised by a woman to be a girl.
    – As Rollo has pointed out (as others), a primary and secondary education systems in the West favor females to the disadvantage of males.
    – Then, they get into the real world and into corporate West that emasculates all semblance of manhood from any male least they come across as to strong or too threatening. I’ve worked in a fortune 50 company for over 20 years, and the things I could do (and was expected to do) as compared to today are so drastically different I feel as if I am a foreigner in the company. Women and all the special people have all the privilege now in corporations.

    It is really hard to “just get it” when you have no frame of reference, and even if you got it, you are trampled down so much you can barely breathe. I’m seen as the crazy old guy in my department, and I’m only 53, and basically acting the same way I was even 6 years ago…but all the old guard has been broomed out and if you are over 35, you are looked at with suspicion and hostility, and are reprimanded for speaking out.

  45. @DR Smite They’re not different and are two sides of the same uniparty coin. Imagine a boat with its anchor down. It will still move where it wants but slower and with the potential for damaging the craft. The left is the boat, the right is the anchor. They don’t actually conserve anything except money.

    That is the American political system. Discussing the political leaning of females is pointless though as they are all in the “I want resources” party. For unmarried females this means the left, so they get resources from other men. For married ones this means the right so no one steals the resources they already have.

  46. Palmasailor
    Historically, in tougher times, men understood their burden of performance.

    They may not have known it as such, but they had to work, and own their failures more transparently.

    Your scope is too narrow. Historically in tougher times men have been enslaved…

  47. Will
    Women depend on spending a man’s money to drive the economy, so what happens when there is no more man’s money for the whamens to spend?

    Re-read the OP. Your knowledge base is out of date.

    Single women will drive the economy in the next decade and savvy businesses are already planning on exploiting this demographic.

  48. Opus
    Yesterday by happenstance I came across the site setting out the awards winners and nominees in the Mystery writers association. The awards go back to the 90s.

    The Hugo award goes back to the 1950’s. Search on the last 4 years of nominees.

    Opus, you’ve heard of women’s ingroup preference, and I’m sure you’ve seen it in action (the “queen bee” office manager who has only female and homosexual male underlings), why are you surprised it also affects literature?

    Men and boys hardly read at all now, because reasons.

  49. Blaximus
    Just stay away from tinder and all feminine frame devices.

    School is mandatory in all states, and many have made kinder & pre kinder mandatory.
    It’s the law that beginning at the age of 4 boys must be placed into the female frame.

    Paging John Taylor Gatto…

  50. “It is really hard to “just get it” when you have no frame of reference,”

    You look around you and disbelieve what everyone else tells you.

    “and even if you got it, you are trampled down so much you can barely breathe.”

    lol @ pussies

  51. ““and even if you got it, you are trampled down so much you can barely breathe.”

    lol @ pussies”

    The writer of Proverbs put it a little nicer, “The fear of man is a snare.”

    Be zero fucks given whether or not people show you respect or like you. If men disrespect you, return it 100 fold. If people show you that they like you, be careful about returning the favor lest you get trapped.

    This is true for both men and women, except you return expressions of dislke when women disrespect you.

  52. “Single women will drive the economy in the next decade and savvy businesses are already planning on exploiting this demographic.”

    Probably true but this is still a massive shrinkage. 85% of consumer spending is females. Will they get 85% of the money on their own without stealing it from men? Can they even? Even purely meritocratic environments still have men outperforming because they take more and/or higher value clients. About the only exceptions are the ones their tits help with, such as waitresses and pizza delivery.

    Most companies have < 3% profit margins. The real reason for all of the autistic schlopping is that their easily manipulated customer base is already living unsustainably and can’t give corporations shekels.

  53. doesn’t change the point that all sex is a transaction whether it be with the hot guy, because she wants his genes, or the beta guy because she wants his money.

    Yes, but the quality/type of the sex is vastly different as between those two “transactions”.

    In the first case, it’s a deeply visceral/evolutionary drive — it’s raw lust and desire, and it leads to lust/desire sex. That is what the desire for male genes manifests itself as — female lust. This is because what she desires is evolutionary/physical/sexual — it is intrinsic to the sex act itself (gene transmission), and therefore it manifests as pure, raw, physical lust and desire for the man.

    The desire for male resources is not a physical/sexual desire, but a pragmatic one, and so it manifests as more of a conscious trade for a woman — she doesn’t feel strong lust/desire for a man physically, but she deploys her physicality as a means to secure his assets, which are desirable from an evolutionary perspective as well, but not one that drives visceral, sexual lust. She may be a good enough actress, sexually, in this context, but it isn’t lust/desire sex, because her motivations aren’t driven by a visceral lust she can’t control, but she instead acts very deliberately and in a calculated way. The man who has never experienced actual visceral female lust will be more easily fooled by this, or unable to tell the difference, but the man who has experienced visceral female lust can tell the difference.

  54. The minute I discovered the red pill two years ago, I went and have a vasectomy. I have a daughter that is being raised by her single mother who has a child before I met her. Damn, I did not even noticed I was being cuckold as I did not know better. The red pill really save my life. Rollo’s work is precious. I have rejected the other child and now taking care of my daughter only. Now I see everything through the red pill lens I use “the medium is the message”, “frame control”, and “NEXT” mainly to satisfied the masculine imperative “unlimited access to unlimited sexuality”. Rollo is an “Angle of God”.

  55. Anon
    . 85% of consumer spending is females. Will they get 85% of the money on their own without stealing it from men?

    Yes. This is already happening in the under 30 age group, where female STEM grads are paid more than males; where it is all but impossible for a male geological engineer to get hired at all because “diversity”, etc.

    Can they even? Even purely meritocratic environments still have men outperforming because they take more and/or higher value clients.

    There are no pure meritocratic environments.

    About the only exceptions are the ones their tits help with, such as waitresses and pizza delivery.

    The tits get special treatment all through K – 12, more special treatement in college, get preferential hiring out of school…where have you been?

    Most companies have < 3% profit margins.

    So? Do you have any idea how many “professional women” are pushing paper around at foundations and government?

    The US Federal Reserve this week decided to give away free money. Those orgs first in line at the money faucet cannot fail. How many banks employ a legion of young, single women in entry and mid level positions?

    Many.

  56. Yo SJW bride’s so fat, she didn’t just marry an alpha, she swallowed the whole alphabet.
    They aren’t just going home in a limo, they’re gonna jump on a double chinook.

  57. “Yes. This is already happening in the under 30 age group, where female STEM grads are paid more than males; where it is all but impossible for a male geological engineer to get hired at all because “diversity”, etc.”

    Paid more yes. Are they paid more than 667% more? Because that’s what they’d need so they have 85% of the money or more.

    It’s certainly possible things will go that way mostly from men checking out but it’s not there yet and probably won’t get there because females don’t have the stress tolerances for these sorts of things, that’s why so many are mentally ill drug addicts.

  58. Blaximus
    Money ain’t the real issue. It’s a buffer.

    So? Sure looks significant to a lot of people, doesn’t it?

  59. Dear Rollo,

    I’m a research scientist at MIT and this week Prof. Richard Stallman resigned under pressure due to an email he sent on an email group. Most details can be found online, and the facts speak for themselves (even in opinionated articles).

    The Village came together in hundreds and called for his removal. The key phrases were “problematic viewpoint” and “how dare he question the story of a survivor”. It was a witch-hunt.

    Reason and free speech are no match for the Village. It seems every article and video is bashing him. Any of us could be next.

  60. The article is fascinating to me because I don’t even understand which women they are the writing about?

    Let’s be real here. The vast majority of American women ages 18 to about 29 are NOT IN THE LEAST BIT INTERESTED in marriage, family, children. And they most certainly do not want to become a wife.

    In fact, if you ask them, the DON’T WANT ANYTHING to do with that. That’s all tomorrow-land stuff.

    These girls are freaking busy!!!
    They have degrees to earn, careers to start, student debt to pay off, shoes and handbags to buy online, rosters of strange cock to ride, and frefrigerator magnets full of doxycycline prescriptions to fill.

    The ONLY women who would agree with and applaud this article are single or divorced 30 year old plus, high-mileage retreads. And that’s because they are the only ones painfully aware of the shortage of “economically attractive” men.

    I get the men-bashing in the comments here. It’s well deserved, make not mistake.
    Women are right.
    There are legions of rudderless douchebags out there working half-assed part time barista jobs or not working at all, playing video games with their Birkenstock bros.

    But dammit, girls, if you show up late to the show after dismounting the carousel, you are going to choose last, and you’re are going to be left with the shittiest of remnants.
    This is common sense, and elementary level cause-and-effect.
    So whose fault is that?
    Of course it’s mens’ fault for not ignoring your girl tantrums, yanking you off the carousel, giving you a spanking and telling you its time to go.

  61. NovaSeeker
    The issue is that women are by and large right in that there are no good men around. The problem isn’t women — women are being themselves. The problem is men — men today, by and large, suck, period.

    Most men are lazy, worthless and weak

    Lol!
    Feel the hand of the FI pressing hard on you? Or are you talking your book; now that your own frivorce has receded in the rear view mirror, and you’ve been running Game all around the Imperial capitol, spinning plates here and there, suddenly you’re the only real man in the room?

    Suddenly you forget all of what is done to boys and young men, and expect them to Just Get It when a woman snaps her fingers, what’s up with that?

    Seriously, unless you’re working on a vitae to get a job with mainstream media, your comment doesn’t make much sense.

  62. DR Smith
    N case anyone is wondering, I meant these 40 to 50 something womez will be voting to keep current POTUS, not for the Cuckservative party that had become the Republicans party in the states.

    The married ones probably, the single ones probably not, but who cares? Read the OP again, this is a large social-economic current, like a rip tide at the beach. Little bubbles of one election are not relevant.

  63. Yes, but the quality/type of the sex is vastly different as between those two “transactions”.

    True, nevertheless, it’s not like she doesn’t make a deliberate choice, especially if she’s married. I’m not disagreeing, I just want to make sure no one thinks that just because she has the tingles for a guy means she couldn’t help jumping his bones. I’ve had both over the course of my marriage (validational and transactional). Just because of her cycle, in marriage, your not going to get hot monkey sex very week. I don’t think many married guys are gonna be wiling to wait until the wife is hot to trot to have sex, even if he checks all her boxes. She may be willing to have sex, because you see you as HV, and enjoy it, or at her time of the month, make sure you’re taken care of, but no woman is about AFs all the time.Comfort and provisioning is also part of her mating strategy, depending on where she is in her cycle.
    I got hung up for a long time on the idea that if my wife wasn’t always into having sex, that meant she wasn’t attracted to me or found me desirable. Truth is over the course of marriage you’re not going to get that “gotta have it” sex all the time. Validational sex can be giving you the best sex she can, because she doesn’t want to lose you. Now if she NEVER want to have hot monkey sex then for sure there’s a problem, unless she’s gone through menopause. After that I’m not sure that raw visceral drive for sex is even there anymore. Doesn’t mean she can’t pursue sex to keep the marriage strong. Hypergamy is both AF/BB.

  64. @Anonymous reader

    “Lol!
    Feel the hand of the FI pressing hard on you? Or are you talking your book; now that your own frivorce has receded in the rear view mirror, and you’ve been running Game all around the Imperial capitol, spinning plates here and there, suddenly you’re the only real man in the room?

    Suddenly you forget all of what is done to boys and young men, and expect them to Just Get It when a woman snaps her fingers, what’s up with that?

    Seriously, unless you’re working on a vitae to get a job with mainstream media, your comment doesn’t make much sense.”

    100/100

    That’s the key issue right there.

    Let’s keep the discussion there. How to fix this?

  65. A R

    You’re a good guy and all, but sometimes you sound a bit daft when you try to hard to defend men under all circumstances all the time, particularly the young men. That’s a huge part of the problem when people want to excuse shitty behaviors, and it’s why it’s harder to pry grown motherfuckers away from the apron strings of the super Nanny state.

    No need to stoop to masculinity shaming.

  66. @Blax

    No. Grown motherfuckers are being raised to be dependant on the state, not knowing any different, and other grown ass motherfuckers are enjoying the puerile glee of lording their progress over the rest of the mouth-breathing chaff.

    Someone has to play daddy.

    If you want to relieve the state of doing that, someone has to suffer the cringy task of retraining proper masculinity that is free of gynocentric editing.

  67. Due a circumstances (criminal history, etc.) I make very little money. I wouldn’t be considered “marriageable” yet I find myself seeking a wife. Just about any girl I meet will make much more money than me. Leveraging game and looks I could probably find an attractive partner but I wouldn’t feel like a man being dependent on a woman’s income. It flips the natural order of things. How would you deal with this problem?

  68. “Due a circumstances (criminal history, etc.) I make very little money. I wouldn’t be considered “marriageable” yet I find myself seeking a wife. Just about any girl I meet will make much more money than me. Leveraging game and looks I could probably find an attractive partner but I wouldn’t feel like a man being dependent on a woman’s income. It flips the natural order of things. How would you deal with this problem?”

    For starters quit thinking with your mindset already predisposed to be in her Frame.

    Why would you have to be dependent on her income? Are you not living off your own income now?

  69. “ Are you not living off your own income now?”

    I am. I like my job and consider my life ideal. Wouldn’t really want to change anything except for being single. You make a good point though.

  70. “@ Novaseeker- You are partially correct; many so called “men” under 40 suck nowadays. I see it everyday at my office, where the women look, act and sound tougher than most to the men there….heck, even my Millennial supervisor companies that his wife is a strong demanding type that will not listen to him.”

    ——

    What’s funny about much of this is that it’s like being in a girls locker room, only it’s a bunch of males. Sheesh, talk about giant shit test. Why fret and worry about what women are stating publicly about men?

    Ya’ll should be LOL’ing at most that and saying “Thanks for sharing honey.” Then giving them a big ass smirk or chuckle.

  71. @ Nova

    “The basic advice is always the same. Get up off your ass. Discipline yourself. Get goals. Devise a plan from A to B goal. And start working. Work hard, at everything — money, muscles, social skills — work tirelessly at all of it. Improve yourself constantly. Stop being so lazy. Stop playing video games. Stop watching porn. Stop being resentful of women, because they are better at adapting than men are. Get up off your ass and make something of yourself, you lazy motherfucker!”

    Definitely the right advice. There are a lot of males but very few men these days. We really should just call them males, not men. Soft, flabby, whingers. Women love to fuck and want to fuck masculine men. Don’t know why your excellent post has received so many thumbs down. Maybe we have many “male” lurkers here who keep blaming everyone but themselves for being so pathetic…

  72. Suddenly you forget all of what is done to boys and young men, and expect them to Just Get It when a woman snaps her fingers, what’s up with that?

    Where did I say that?

    Look, young men face challenges. I know that, I have a son who is a young man. What you need to do is wake the fuck up and do the fuck something about them. Everyone, including my son, gets the same indoctrination. Not everyone reacts the same way. I am saying this: don’t be passive, don’t play games and watch porn and “satisfice” your career. It’s a mistake. Forget about girls. It’s a mistake. Most guys end up doing this not because of evil women or indoctrination — they see other guys doing differently, trust me. It’s that they are too fucking lazy to do otherwise. Too lazy. Be less lazy and you will be more effective.

    Whining about women being women is dumb. And that includes how women act politically, how they act as teachers, how they act as mothers. Women are women. Take them as a given, as a part of the environment downrange, and adjust and act accordingly. That is what a man does.

    I never said “man up and marry the sluts”, unlike our English interloper who is normally rather copiously uninformed, suggests. What I said was that it is true that most men today are poor marriage candidates, and that is simply the truth. They would be better marriage candidates if they were better men — that does not mean they need to get married. It does mean, though, that women’s complaint would shift from being about a lack of good men to being that men will not commit — and that, brothers, is a paradigm shift that actually shifts power between the sexes, yet most of you seem to be too dim to understand that.

  73. “women’s complaint would shift from being about a lack of good men to being that men will not commit”

    lol. Nova. The “where the good men at” meme isn’t about the lack of masculine men/bad boys (they fuck those guys during their prime years). The complaint is about where are those “good men” they ignored/friendzoned, now that they are past their prime and ready to settle down.

    https://i.imgur.com/Bt8u4tk.jpg

  74. lol. Nova. The “where the good men at” meme isn’t about the lack of masculine men/bad boys (they fuck those guys during their prime years). The complaint is about where are those “good men” they ignored/friendzoned, now that they are past their prime and ready to settle down.

    The complaint Rollo’s talking about in his OP is that there aren’t enough men who are worth marrying, from an economic perspective, not that the men who are worth marrying from that perspective are on strike. In any case, I am not advocating becoming a BB. I am advocating TOTALMAX approach. But the issue Rollo is talking about, and what the article he cites is talking about, isn’t that the “good men won’t marry us” it’s that “all the men around me aren’t worth marrying”.

  75. @Novaseeker

    But the issue Rollo is talking about, and what the article he cites is talking about, isn’t that the “good men won’t marry us” it’s that “all the men around me aren’t worth marrying”

    And you believe that as written?

  76. We are about to live through a very terrible time when the massive glut of millennial women are gonna pass through their mid to late 30s and hit the wall full speed ahead. These articles popping up are just the beginning.

    Honestly, I don’t see the women’s behavior or the men’s behavior out of the ordinary. For women it’s always about something better and men have had enough years of seeing the results of modern families to understand what’s happening. The very rational risk vs reward calculus kicks in and you understand there is no value in marriage. I have no idea how to change the incentives but until incentives are realigned, We will continue down this road. My best guess is that the very young women of today will see all the millennial cat ladies and think..”God, I don’t want to be that”.

    It’s like the sexes have a couple generations of lag when the other sex makes a very large behavior change. The change in womens behavior from the 60s-80s is finally noticed by men and I’m sure the women born in the past 10 years will notice the shitty state of women in the next 5-15 years.

  77. And you believe that as written?

    Yep. Most men are total crap and not worth marrying. As I said above. Did I stutter or something?

    Men don’t like being held to account, I get it. I couldn’t care less. I’m not saying men need to marry, I’m saying most men under 40 are not worth marrying, period.

  78. There is much, much more at play than simply “men aren’t ‘marriageable’ because they don’t earn as much as women”.

    The study (and “society” at large) assumes that men’s only potential contribution as a marriage partner is economic. What about all the screeching about men needing to pick up more of the “mental load”, do more around the house (heh, “chore-play”), be more involved in childrearing, and be more “emotionally available”? Apparently, none of those really matter. The mask has slipped, and it essentially boils down to a man being a walking ATM.

    The opposite side of the coin is unspeakable in the mainstream. What makes a woman “marriageable”? We all know it’s not “economic”. The screeching about the mythical pay gap isn’t that it’s making women unmarriageable because men have been marrying comparatively penniless women for centuries. “Younger, hotter, tighter” sums up women’s marriageability. Sure, you could throw in concepts like being demur, agreeable, loyal, submissive etc. But the mainstream can’t or won’t talk about women’s marriageability in these terms because it doesn’t fit the Narrative. I would venture that the mainstream doesn’t talk about it at all; EVERY WOMAN, young or old, fat or thin, pretty or ugly, nasty or nice, smart or dumb, virtuous or deceitful, chaste or promiscuous IS WORTHY. Of a PRINCE no less.

    All the debates about men being pushed down economically, in education, in marriage etc are all valid and important, but they miss the most basic point.

    What is the purpose of marriage? Looking at its historical roots, it arguably serves no purpose whatsoever today.
    1. Financial security? Pfft, women can work, and can own and inherit property. You can save up for your own retirement and aged care.
    2. Children? Pfft, even illegitimate children can inherit property, and today’s child support and social security model (at least in the First World) ensures their (and their mothers’) maintenance and survival.
    3. Sex? Pfft, men and (especially) women can freely and easily have sex outside the bounds of marriage, and prostitution (both legal or not) is rampant and irradicable.
    4. Companionship? Pfft, you can easily get loads in person and in the ether.

    Now add to this how easily a marriage is dissolved (usually by the wife), and the potential, profound consequences for the husband.

    Whereas men should be striving to be the best version of themselves that they can possibly be, it shouldn’t be to answer the question “Am I Marriageable?”. A man’s subsequent questions should be “Should I marry? Why? What will marriage give me that is otherwise unattainable?” And if he decides that he should marry (for some unfathomable reason), his next questions should be “What makes a putative bride ‘marriageable’? What does she bring to the marriage bargain?”

  79. Lol. I’m not sure what’s going on here.

    I don’t know if it’s a lot of reflexive defensiveness or a true misunderstanding about some of the characteristics men have adopted recently that makes them less of a man, hence ” unmarriagable ” or more simply, unattractive ( not just looks ).

    It’s a very bad sign it younger men aren’t capable of seeing what it is about themselves that’s unmanly and just basically fucked up.😂

    Yes, yes thousand times yes, lazy assed drunken immature game playing porn watching weak fucking males are a bad thing when that becomes an acceptable way of being. Period. Fuck. All. The. Enabling. Excuses.

    You’re not helping men, you’re cosigning the FI.

    This ain’t about money because most of the younger guys don’t have any. They don’t have any because of their mindset, beliefs, beer and drugs, and distractions that keep them stationary.

    😂 argue against it all you want.

    Facts.

  80. Mineter

    The narrative is false from the get go. You don’t listen to what women say. You don’t seem their opinions. That’s how you wind up with shit like ” chore -play ” in the first place. You don’t look to women for guidance on being a man.

    So ” studies ” usually miss the mark at identifying the causes and instead focus on end results, and that’s bad data.

    So nobody with sense is saying ” what can I do to be marriageable “, but how can I maximize my natural born abilities as a man . Life simply begins to fall into place more and more once that question is answered. You gotta ask the correct questions, and you cannot ask women. That’s unnatural and the results are gonna suck ass.

  81. I agree wholeheartedly, Blax.

    Men who can’t or won’t get their shit together are certainly duds, be it for marriage or any other reason. Come the Apocalypse (Zombie, financial, societal, religious, whatever), would you want to have one by your side?

    I am disgusted by men who are incompetent. Ones that can’t change a tyre, fix a leaking tap, cook etc. I’m sure women feel the same, if not worse.

    I am disgusted by men who are cowardly, who won’t speak up for themselves. (I’m not talking about being a White Knight for some damsel in distress). I’m sure women feel the same, if not worse.

    I am disgusted by men who have no self-control (usually fat) and who are lazy or unambitious. I’m sure women feel the same, if not worse.

    I won’t judge a man for being a confirmed bachelor. But I will judge him harshly if he is not striving to maximise and leverage whatever he has to work with. If he doesn’t think he’s good enough to believe in himself, why should a woman believe in him?

  82. Accountability is unpopular.

    The cry of ” accept me as I am!!!! ” is more suited to the LGBTQXYZ set. Men that make no effort aren’t suppose d to reap benefits. A man has to build himself from the first steps he takes onward. Even babies go from crawling to walking to running. Progression is natural.

    Everything of worth costs something. Worthlessness is free of charge and the easiest thing to do. No points for that, no matter how many excuses one can stack up in defense of it.

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