Blue Pill Trauma

Something I’m asked a lot is,…

“How do you unplug a guy from the Matrix? All of this Red Pill awareness about intersexual dynamics has radically changed / saved my life for the better!  I want to let my friends, my brothers, my dad, know about how this knowledge will help them in their relationships, with the women their involved with, and dealing with women in life in general.

This stuff is SO IMPORTANT. But I run into such resistance from even my close friends and family. What can I do? I want to give these guys your book and discuss it rationally with them. I want to pass on this awareness like you encourage, but it’s like they’re just unwilling to see the truth. They don’t even want to talk about it. They just want to persist in doing shit that’s frustrating them and dealing with women from a blue pill perspective. Rollo, how do I help my brother?”

There was a time when I was a moderator on the SoSuave forums when we would discuss exactly this question. The frustration of knowing that your brother or your best friend could be living such a better life if only they would open their eyes and see how they’ve been trapped in a way of thinking about intersexual relations that they were conditioned to accept from a very early age. Believe me, I still get frustrated today. I see stories about how a guy like the one in the discussion above here is on the verge of despondency or suicide because they’re unable or unwilling to consider anything outside the box that the Blue Pill will allow for.

That’s a pretty serious thought. Blue Pill conditioning, and a guy’s capacity to break away from it, is literally a matter of life and death. Now, imagine you’re a Red Pill aware man and you have the experience of seeing your best friend or brother’s descent into relationship madness only because his ego-investments in the Old Set of Books wont permit him to think any other way. They’d rather put a noose around their neck than reconsider their investments in how things ought to be between men and women.

She’s My Everything

We’re going to come back to this question later in this essay, but now I’d like you to have a look at the IM exchange I had a reader make me aware of on Twitter this week. I apologize for the resolution; the tweet was deleted not long after I commented on it and I had to rely on screen captures. What you’re looking at here is an exchange between a very invested Blue Pill guy and the thought process guys like this typically go through when the woman they’ve made their ‘everything’ wants them gone. There’s a lot going on in this and I wanted to parse it out here. When you’re Red Pill aware for any length of time it can sometimes be confusing to see the thought process that Blue Pill conditioning predisposes a guy to. The Red Pill Lens is one of the gifts (and curses) of having unplugged, and internalizing the awareness can make us somewhat confused or jaded to the experiences of guys who are still plugged in and trying to make their blinded understanding of intersexual dynamics work for them.

“Can this guy really not see why this girl wants to get away from him?” From a Red Pill perspective we might think this guy is an idiot for not seeing what he’s doing. It’s plain as day for us so their must be something wrong with him, right? Usually, the only thing wrong is that these guys’ Blue Pill conditioning has limited them to understanding their situations from that old set of books – the rule set that they believe (like a religion) that ‘quality women’ acknowledge and play by too. Lets try to put this jadedness aside for a moment.

[…] I can’t take my mind off of you no matter what I do and yesterday I literally cried for an hour in my room because I didn’t know what to do. I just really need you in my life and it kills me to know that I have messed our relationship up,…

This kid’s (it reads like he’s an adolescent) whole exchange is riddled with self-incrimination. This is an intrinsic part of Blue Pill conditioning – the guy is always at fault in any break up. Even with his now ex’s admission of her own complicity in their split, he’ll have none of it. If a relationship, a marriage, fails it is always because a guy wasn’t invested enough; even if she cheated on him the Blue Pill conditioned mind will only accept his complicity in her looking outside the relationship. I should also add that this is an integral part of the Promise Keepers mentality as well as the ‘Oprah-Marriage Counselor Approved’ notion that “relationships take a lot of work” and it’s always a man’s responsibility to qualify himself for a woman’s intimacy by maintaining that work.

As a result, the Blue Pill mind automatically defaults to self-blame and looks to find ways to negotiate some kind of new work-program that will ‘fix’ the ‘broken’ relationship he somehow caused. Blue Pill conditioned men are still men, and as such they default to the deductive reasoning that we’re largely predisposed to. So in that Blue Pill state it seems like logic to look for solutions that will put the relationship back together again. This is how Blue Pill men’s minds work; they have a set of (Old Books) rules they believe everyone is, or ought to be, playing by and since he also believes the lie of coequal agency (blank-slate) between men and women he thinks a woman’s desire and intimacy can be deductively bargained with.

He realizes his failing and will be sure to correct it. But that’s not how all this works. In fact, it’s this very acknowledgement that only reinforces this woman’s decision to leave him. Hypergamy is rooted in doubt, and it turns out he is as Beta and optionless as her Hypergamous hindbrain suspected. His reaction to her confirms it.

[…] how can you just cut me out of your life so quickly? I want to make things better and work on our relationship because I know what it can be, why don’t you want to work on it?

I’m trying to avoid most of the clingy emotional shit in this exchange. Blue Pill guys will pepper in their emotive state even in the best of times in a relationship, but when they’re facing a break up, that’s when all the stuff he’s been taught about vulnerability being a strength turns into a huge liability for him. Not to mention it disgusts the woman leaving him.

Here we see the standard Blue Pill bewilderment over why this woman he’s deeply invested in can so casually blow him off and move on. Isn’t she playing by the same rulebook he’s been playing by since he learned to dutifully put women as his mental point of origin? I linked my War Brides essay in his quote above because this is the nuts and bolts reason as to how women can, and often do, move on so quickly. It is literally part of women’s preinstalled mental firmware to have the capacity to turn on a dime with their emotions.

Next he makes the Blue Pill appeals to Relational Equity and declares his willingness to ‘work on the relationship’ in order to fix it. In a breakup this ‘work on the relationship’ narrative works against women; particularly if the guy they’re leaving is overly invested in equalism. He’s been taught that “open communication is the key to any healthy relationship®” so he’s confused as to why his coequal ‘soul mate’ wouldn’t want to work on things and patch it up. When things are good the ‘work on things’ narrative is a benefit for women getting the things they want, but when she wants to leave a Blue Pill guy (usually because she wants to open herself to better Hypergamous options) it’s a leash around her neck. Why doesn’t she want to ‘work on the relationship’?

This is really what defines his outlook on this breakup, but he can’t see that it’s what his Blue Pill conditioning has embedded in his ego. He is incapable of interpreting his situation in any other way.

So, yeah, it gets worse. Now we discover that this guy has done exactly what I explained most Blue Pill men do when they define themselves by their ego-investments: the Blue Pill kills their capacity not to just achieve their dreams, but to have dreams or ambitions at all. We have a guy whose dreams center on being the “perfect boyfriend”; the guy who’ll literally do anything to make it work. A ‘good relationship’ is his highest aspiration, so when that woman isn’t playing her part – playing by the ‘do anything to make it work‘ rule set – the response is usually to find fault in himself, because to find fault in his ‘soul mate’ is to question the whole Blue Pill mental apparatus.

But still, she won’t play ball, so there are 3 possibilities: The first and go-to reason is that he must’ve fucked something up somehow. The next is that there’s something wrong with her because she’s not playing by the same rules he was conditioned to believe women play by. And lastly there’s something wrong with his entire ego-invested Blue Pill outlook on the whole rule set. That last one is the most difficult and unlikely conclusion a guy will ever come to.

Out Come the Knives

More often than not this is the stage at which the woman involved begins building her defenses against the attacks her ex Beta boyfriend is lobbing at her in an effort to explain why “working on the relationship” isn’t solving his fear of having to be single (and optionless) again. You’ve got a Blue Pill conditioned guy who believes he’s done everything by the books and is now very confused that his commitment to ‘making it work‘ hasn’t earned him the Relational Equity that any coequal, co-rational, woman should count towards his value to her. Whatever he did that was ‘wrong’ should be paid for by that equity. And anyway, the rules clearly state that open communication and negotiation are what’s expected from her too, right?

Only, that ‘equity’ isn’t protecting him from a Hypergamy that can’t afford for her to spend a minute longer with him. But he doesn’t know this, so, like any deductive Beta he pleads his case and this is what sets off her defensiveness.

Even the sweetest, most unassuming wallflower of a girl has her ego intimately linked with Hypergamy. Optimizing Hypergamy is her Darwinistic prime directive in life. So when just the notion of her being forced to compromise that optimization looks like a possibility she rebels with the intensity of a survival instinct level of self-preservation. There was a time when social controls were expected to buffer the worst exploits women would use to optimize Hypergamy. Arranged marriages, social and religious conventions, peer pressure, etc. were all, in some part, a means to controlling this survival instinct, gut level anxiety – and instituting a degree of control over Hypergamy by men and society.

Today, in our post Sexual Revolution dystopia, the idea that a woman might be personally or socially expected to compromise her Hypergamous stakes in life is met with that reflexive, feral, survival instinct. This is why women bristle at the idea that they might ever need to “settle” on Mr. Good Enough once they reach their sexual market expiration date. It’s like telling their hindbrains that they need to consider spending the rest of their lives invested in children that aren’t as good as they might be had they held out a little longer. Hypergamy bets a woman’s life on a future with a given man, so yes, it’s very muck a survival instinct.

All of this gets compressed into the hostility a woman feels when a ‘lesser man’, one confirmed to be unworthy of that lifetime bet, essentially tells her she wrong for betting on him and then removing her bet. That feral response comes at him full force, but only after she’s absolved her complicity in playing along with his Blue Pill paradigm. She needs to be able to explain to her ego that she did try to ‘let him down easy’ before she ripped off the bandaid in one go. Now he’s “crazy”, “needy”, has “mommy issues” is “insecure” and various other rationales as needed to keep her ego blameless for what she really knew was his dedication to the Blue Pill.

He’s Blue Pill, but He’s Crazy

I’m sure there are men and women alike reading this and thinking, well, this guy is genuinely disturbed. Maybe he’s just an Incel who made good for a while and then his codependency surfaced and she wisely ejected from the relationship. That seems like an obvious take, but I’m going to argue that all Blue Pill conditioned guys are this guy. That life-long conditioning plays on men’s innate Idealism and fosters exactly his way of thinking. When women are your conditioned Mental Point of Origin, rearranging your life to accommodate “working on the relationship” is a natural progression. Getting Zeroed Out is a lot easier when you’re taught to believe that you literally cannot live without a woman.

Finally, we come to the point where this guy – maybe the friend you’ve been trying to unplug before something like this happened – is confronted with staying the course, self-righteously accepting his dumping and clings even more so to his Blue Pill Lens on the world, or he develops some introspect and confronts the idea that his outlook on the set of rules he’s been playing by is not valid. The most common way men find the Red Pill community is via an experience like this. Unfortunately, it often requires a significant life trauma to shake the sleeping man awake, but having your outlook on intersexual dynamics challenged is the only way most men will ever be open to anything contradictory.

When men ask me, “Rollo, my friend, brother, dad, are heading towards something awful, how do I get them to realize they need to unplug?” I have to say wait for the right time. There are some guys who will make this transition on their own and all it might take is your handing him my book and talking about it. There are some guys who will come to it because what they’re doing isn’t bearing fruit in their personal lives and they become Red Pill aware because circumstances pushed them that way. But most men are Betas. Most of them have lived through an extensive conditioning that put them right where this guy is, and most of them will fight you tooth and nail for trying to convince them they were raised the wrong way.

It’s sometimes just easier to ghost on these men, but what do you do when it’s your brother who White Knights at any opportunity in spite of being run through the machine of a Blue Pill social order?  My best advice is to wait for your moments. A lot of people will tell you that it’s manipulative to lay the Red Pill on a guy who’s at his most vulnerable, but it requires a stripping away of all the Blue Pill pretense and mind-fuckery to really make a cogent case and unplug the guy.

I would always advise that you stay honest, open and forgiving of the guy. Most likely he’s told you how fucked up or misogynistic your world view is in his White Knighting efforts in the past. It’s like he ridiculed you for thinking you could ‘educate him’. You have to let that go when you make your case for Red Pill awareness. It would be better to ghost him than to be vindictive, gloating or tell him “I toldja so.” Let him tell you you told him so when he thanks you later.


As an aside here I need to draw readers’ attention to just how vulnerable this shit makes Blue Pill, Beta mindset men to the predations of what I call “Success Porn” brokers. One of the most fucked up outcomes of understanding how Blue Pill idealism affect men is the desire to capitalize on this weakness by Purple Pill life-coaching hacks. One in particular is RSD’s (Real Social Dynamics) new “get me a girlfriend game” program that, in my opinion, plays directly on this hopeful Blue Pill “make it work” idealism.

“Life Coaches” see this neediness as a perfect niche to sell Blue Pill dreams back to guys who want to cling to their Blue Pill security blankets in Red Pill awareness. How miraculous would it seem to think you’re Red Pill savvy enough to make all your old Blue Pill dreams – the ones you went through hell to disabuse yourself of – come true. Hacks like this are too happy to ruin your life for you in rekindling that fantasy as long as you buy the premier edition of their “program”. Caveat emptor.

 

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Incubus_Rising
Incubus_Rising
4 years ago

@j:

Feel free to do all the “beta stuff” you listed above. More power to you, knock yourself out, mate.

That shit is not for me.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
4 years ago

Blaximus
Aggressive seagulls stealing my damn curly fries.

Saving you from cheap, simple carbs. You should be thanking them gulls!

Once you’ve cemented your mpoo, and you’ve internalized comfort in your masculinity, you can do whatever the he’ll you want to do. It’s quite liberating and you won’t have to think so much.

Those checklists are handy for men who are recovering from Betaization. But ultimately why a man does something is often more important than what he is doing.

SJF
SJF
4 years ago

“Aggressive seagulls stealing my damn curly fries.”

Oh, no.

What to do?

Don’t let other peoples behaviors change your character. (assuming you have decent character)

Don’t be resentful when someone attempts to steal you curly fries. (they are just hungry and exhibiting shitty behavior)

That goes to not letting them steal your energy.

Having more free excess energy is more attractive than having less free excess energy.

Be attractive, don’t be un-attractive.

j
j
4 years ago

“It’s quite liberating and you won’t have to think so much.” Maybe you don’t really have to think about why you do what you do anymore. But just for a second, really try to think about the underlying reason WHY we all do certain things. Like… – Why am I talking to this random chick at the bar about rough anal sex instead of talking about how the Red Sox are about to sweep the Yankees? Because I know talking about the former will move me closer to achieve my goal: SNL. – Why do I pretty much always ignore… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

That’s some sorry ass shit there J. Smh.

j
j
4 years ago

Lmaoo both fuckbuddies text me back to back literally 1 minute apart

theasdgamer
4 years ago

Lmaoo both fuckbuddies text me back to back literally 1 minute apart Hope you’ve turned off your text alerts. That would drive me nuts. Kind of sad that you even check that. I don’t even carry my phone on me. I check it a couple of times a day, maybe three and I don’t answer phone calls. Mrs. Gamer cooks tasty food for me and does the dishes. Cleans sometimes. She bore me two children–one was back labor for hours (extremely painful for her and it made me cry). What did you say that your fuckbuddies did for you? Not… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

Perspective should start to shift after, say 30 or so. Never lift or stay fit so you can fuck girls at any age. The fucking is a side benefit. Women are always a side benefit. A compliment not a focus. I never did anything for chicks specifically besides dressing certain ways at certain times. I love women and always have, and I’ve never had fear or hate or high levels of distrust of them. Women have been great companions. And sexual partners and wonderful friends. I guess it’s fortunate I have not ever been plagued by boredom. There’s not enough… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

Just don’t get stuck in a 20 years old mindset for the next 30+ years. Mature.

j
j
4 years ago

“Kind of sad that you even check that. I don’t even carry my phone on me.”

It’s for texting my wingman throughout the night.

“What did you say that your fuckbuddies did for you?”

I take it you’ve never had a fuckbuddy…What you just described is relationshipy shit.

“you need to demand more of women if they want your valuable time.”

they give me their body when I text them…and I give them my dick whenever I feel like it. Drama-free. just the way I like it.

SJF
SJF
4 years ago

Lol. I was out in my suburban lawn as five other men in LTR’s were cutting their lawns adjacent. I was listening to a classic rock station, with WorkTunes ear muffs, that surprisingly had half of the song list playing blue pill lyrics and the other half rockstar red pill lyrics. Lights by Journey played as I mowed. I changed the lyrics thinking about j.’s comments. And his mission focused on pussy. (not that there’s anything wrong with that…..) [Chorus] When the lights go down in the Pussy And the sun shines on the bay Ooh, I wanna be there… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

J What you’re describing is a half life. Which is fine as long as you are able to recognize that’s what you’re doing. Thinking that the way you see and relate to women currently is a real way to go forward 10-30 years down is completely viable ( because there’s a lot of dumb bullshit talk in the sphere echoing that same ” women for my dick ” mentality) could be an awful miscalculation. Guys reading in the sphere/pickup arena must be careful which messages they choose to internalize. Much of what I’ve read outside of trm over the years… Read more »

rugby11
rugby11
4 years ago

Blue pill trauma and culture
http://www.nationalists.org/pdf/culture-of-critique-kevin-macdonald-kindle-edition-2013.pdf
“The Veil”, then you need to read the chapter on feminism”
By wodansthane

theasdgamer
4 years ago

I take it you’ve never had a fuckbuddy…What you just described is relationshipy shit.

I had a fling, a non-live-in college gf, and a wife, and miscellaneous same night makeouts. I lived in with the fling for a few days, fucking all the time and no dates. The college gf asked for my dick, but I was in lurrrve with her, lol, and wanted to wait for marriage. Having a fuckbuddy sounds like a boring relationship–and it IS a relationship…of sorts. But whatever floats your boat…

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

Half life. Mastery. A man’s got to master his surroundings and circumstances. Takes a while to achieve this. Unless you’re aware 9f what day 2nd and hour your heart will stop beating, better get busy. Is this why so many younger people are always, constantly plagued by consistent boredom? This is something I’ve been perplexed by for 10-15 years while being around people between the ages of 15-30. Boredom. Easily bored. Yet, they don’t actually do anything, so yes, they are boring themselves and wasting time. Don’t do nuffin.. So to speak. This is apparent in the sphere as well.… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

I’ve had plenty of fuckbuddies, before there was a name for it.

I’ve also rented cars and houses, nd had various ” temp ” things.

I own ” smart ” now.

j
j
4 years ago

@blax

“So where the fuck is all of this easily bored shit supposed to go? Depression? Anxiety? Melancholy?

Shitty libido and sex drives? Lol.

Is it a kind of society driven laziness? Society driven femininity for everybody?”

life is too easy, man. good times create weak men and all…

Did you read this post that went viral two weeks ago

https://www.refinery29.com/money-diary-new-york-city-marketing-intern-income

lol

SJF
SJF
4 years ago

Blaximus

Happy families are all alike; every unhappy family is unhappy in its own way.–Tolstoy

j
j
4 years ago

“I’ve also rented cars and houses, nd had various ” temp ” things. I own ” smart ” now.” very interesting that you up bring up this concept of owning Vs renting women with regards to boredom/depression. Alfanl brought it up in two posts regarding RSD and Tyler: “the 1st wave of game was to learn how to get laid, the 2nd wave of game was learning how to keep a girl around. But, we were still looking for the purpose of keeping a girl around. Enter the 3rd wave. The 3rd wave is about ‘clicking’ game back into society;… Read more »

mersonia
4 years ago

Blax you don’t have to vomit your values everywhere…

theasdgamer
4 years ago

J, what’s your endgame? Do you think that the gloss won’t wear off of your new toy? I hear that when a band first starts touring, they’re excited about all the available pussy and wild parties. Then they get bored and need new experiences to maintain the excitement. Then there’s the Rehab phase. Then they discover that their finances are shit because their manager embezzled their earnings and the govt. took half their earnings and they have to continue touring because of financial necessity, doing more uppers and downers so that they can perform and they write songs about having… Read more »

theasdgamer
4 years ago

Blax you don’t have to vomit your values everywhere…

…just in Mersonia’s beer

lol

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

Mersonia Lol. I’m only trying to help bruh. I’m betting some of what I’ve said might resonate with a few readers. It’s not about values as much as it’s about ” who do you think you are and why do you think that?”. I don’t say ” do as I did/say “, I’m saying because I have particular understanding and mindsets, this is how I see most of life. I don’t care to watch my fellow men complain of starving while being surrounded by all manner of food stuff. Learned obsolecense. Societal enforced helplessness. We cannot look to women as… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

Asd

J is alright. He’s a ” thinker ” and that will always give him a good shot.

rugby11
4 years ago

“Not even sex is a true lifelong solution to anything. Not really.“
Especially if you escape from life.
https://bit.ly/2OdsLa0

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

Oh yeah, mers Pop over to heartiste and check out the latest ” article ” for n example of what I’m talking about wrt mindset. For a guy that’s always claiming ” others/diversity ” having a ” victim mentality ” , check out what he wrote. That’s unnecessary fear and hatred in a nutshell. The ” somebody is trying to ruin muh life ” syndrome because politics/race/economics. The majority being attacked and destroyed slowly by the minority. That’s shit is weak, but there will he a hundred comments by a dozen commenters chiming in agreement. Lol. The essay nor the… Read more »

theasdgamer
4 years ago

“If you want to know who rules you, look at who may not be criticized.” Voltaire

Gamer Corollary: If you want to know who the designated victims are, look at who you are being encouraged to criticize.

Criticizing which groups will get you called “racist” and “misogynist”?

theasdgamer
4 years ago

“If you want to know who rules you, look at who may not be criticized.” Voltaire

Gamer Corollary: If you want to know who the designated victims are, look at who you are being encouraged to criticize.

Criticizing which groups will get you called “r.a.c.1.s.t” and “misogyn.1.st”?

SJF
SJF
4 years ago

“J is alright.”

Cosign.

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

Blax

“The majority being attacked and destroyed slowly by the minority.”

Well the issue is the minority are closing in on a majority. That’s the reason for “increasing” strife. And it’s going to accelerate. You do do The History right? You know how this goes…

[Hint – not gently into that good night]

kfg
kfg
4 years ago

“Well the issue is the minority are closing in on a majority.”

Without actually forming a majority, as the minorities don’t seem to like each other very much.

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

Yup. Minority is not anywhere close to a monolith working in unison to do anything at all

Never have been.

theasdgamer
4 years ago

Asd

J is alright. He’s a ” thinker ” and that will always give him a good shot.

Well, to some extent. But he’s not aware of his limitations. Of course, I was the same at his age, lol. He’s Ok in my book.

What do you think about Trump doubling his support among blacks (to 29%) from a year ago? Is he just conning blacks? And is that necessarily a bad thing, since leaders always have to con the people they lead?

https://www.dailywire.com/news/34001/poll-black-support-trump-nearly-doubles-last-year-amanda-prestigiacomo

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

“Without actually forming a majority, as the minorities don’t seem to like each other very much”

Isn’t that what purges are for?

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

https://www.wsj.com/articles/anarchy-breaks-out-in-portland-with-the-mayors-blessing-1533331454

Nothing to see here folks… Really. Everything is A OK.

[Population 650k]

theasdgamer
4 years ago

Without actually forming a majority, as the minorities don’t seem to like each other very much.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wkw7n9Qagu8

History shows that minorities can be united against an out-group. smh

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

….. but What do you know from personal life long actual boots on the ground experience? Lol, it’s all the same. Feminism vilifies men. 90% of what they claim doesn’t apply to 99/ of men. Some chicks eat it up because ” sisterhood ” or hatred of men because they are fat with shitty personalities and are ugly. Fear and lack. Mostly lack of real world understanding. Fact is, the countr9is more segregated than at any time in my life, so people imagine shit to create easy targets in their heads. But nobody would dare target those actually running thangs… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

Btw, I have 2 friends that read all of Donald books and attended his seminars. One has 8 underwater properties, lmao, and the other I could buy twice over.

But…

They didn’t vote.

Aight. Enough of this. It’s tiki bar time.

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

Oh yeah, that YouTube video.

Americans shouldn’t work with communists or socialists imo. Especially government officials. Your biggest enemy/threats are homegrown and swear they are red blooded patriotic capitalist .

Watch what they do, not what they say.

Game rule.

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

“Americans shouldn’t work with communists or socialists imo. ”

Unless they are in congress…

[Duckface]

theasdgamer
4 years ago

What do you know from personal life long actual boots on the ground experience? Hatred of me for being pro-life at a pro-life event…by queers & associated socialists…lies told on national tv by the major networks about the pro-lifers…cops harassed the peaceful pro-life side and left the other side alone because the democrat governor was pro-abortion. I guess you think that I’ve lived all my life in a fucking bubble, lol. Cops have never pointed a gun at me, but they’ve had their hands on their guns and asked me to step out of my car. That was when one… Read more »

theasdgamer
4 years ago

Americans shouldn’t work with communists or socialists imo. Especially government officials. Your biggest enemy/threats are homegrown and swear they are red blooded patriotic capitalist .

Watch what they do, not what they say.

Game rule.

I wouldn’t know. I was born yesterday. lolz

rugby11
4 years ago

Blue into Red…
https://bit.ly/2M50YLl
Religion and social observation’s.

rugby11
4 years ago

Sex and trauma
https://bit.ly/2LWqweE
Not sexy/Alexandra Katehakis, Founding Director of Center for Healthy Sex

Fact
Fact
4 years ago

@ Fnu Mnu Lnu “…unfortunately, i think that men are becoming more blue pill over time…” You can see this unfolding every day with swipe apps. An entire generation of american males are growing up to be pussy beggars. They will gladly wait in the back of a long line for the chance to date down a couple of notches on the attractiveness scale. Swipe apps are causing the greatest upheaval in the sexual market place since the birth control pill. There are much greater disparities between the haves and have nots in the sexual market place than in previous… Read more »

Voland
Voland
4 years ago

Having gone through a divorce myself, one thing I learned / became aware of is how badly divorce goes for men who are “blue pilled”. Taking the first move in chess and divorce is a huge advantage and what ends up happening is that by the time the women file for divorce, they are already emotionally ‘over it’ while the man is just beginning to go through the process. This means she is emotionally prepared to do what ever she needs to do while he is floundering around making every mistake because he is still in the marriage while she… Read more »

rugby11
4 years ago

Humans and Isolation
https://bit.ly/2AKa0sL Sexual betrayal https://bit.ly/2LZ3sfh Cybersex and adolescent
https://bit.ly/2LYlnCL

rugby11
4 years ago

Porn and growing up (Internet and thing’s)
https://bit.ly/2M5fqmE
Sexualized Trauma https://bit.ly/2vm3ZgH
Sex and the religion and letting go.
https://bit.ly/2OOSQgS

rugby11
4 years ago

Porn and Teenage discussion and conversation
https://bit.ly/2OHbqY9
https://bit.ly/2AW8mVl
Mothers and growing up emeshment
https://bit.ly/2neG2n5

Playdontpay
Playdontpay
4 years ago

I’m 6 months into my first LTR since my red pill conversion (been here over 4 years) I have spun multiple plates the longest being 2 years! Everything is different this time I’m not feeling oneitis for this girl as I have no blue pill illusions of what a woman’s “Love” actually is. Also the safety net of my red pill internalised knowledge is in reserve for when I will need it. This girl has confirmed many red pill truths during this time and I’m enjoying the ride with her. Just yesterday she said that “ sometimes your just too… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

Voland

Astute and accurate observations.

This is why I implore young men to understand how women think and learn to read them well. Women are not men. If we only choose to see them as sex givers, we are open to some devious shit because they are always aware on some level. They are one step ahead of the unaware man.

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

Lol.

Ltr’ s can spring up at a moment’s notice. Play is right, be red aware and do what you want, how you want. No need to be afraid of engaging females.

IRL
IRL
4 years ago

@Blaximus My broader point is that something awful has happened to men, particularly young men, and it’s not just solely in the realm of sexual dynamics either. A motivated young man can appear like a fucking super hero today if he’d leave the feminine realm, stop doing shit that girls do ( smart phone and social media), nd work on ability, competence and understanding. Funny you should say that. Just recently I’ve observed that with my son. I’ve changed so many things in our lives at once. Everything basically. Started juggling too many balls in the air, got forced to… Read more »

theasdgamer
4 years ago

By choosing an easier way of handling things (stay in the comfort zone, take the path of the least resistance, back off), he started spending more and more time on his own, exploring his own world of fictional characters and collectables. The introverted nature got better of him.

RP rule: Anything worth doing is hard. Anything easy is not worth doing.

Explain it to your son.

theasdgamer
4 years ago

How do you create self-starters…

Don’t do nuffin

A former friend of mine was a self starter. His parents only set up obstacles to things he wanted to do. No chauffering, etc. Wouldn’t let him own a gun, so he bought one and kept it at a friend’s house.

JJ
JJ
4 years ago

Rollo, to what extent is it normal to expect “relational equity” from your male friends? Is it Beta to do so?

In no way am I trying to justify acting low-value around males simply because they are not driven by hypergamy, but to what extent do concepts like honour and loyalty apply when men go through tough periods in their lives and cannot keep the vulnerability completely hidden?

constrainedlocus
4 years ago

A good friend of mine was divorced by his first wife. He lost custody of his two young sons, and has to pay child support and alimony to her. She moved from his home state to NJ and also took their two boys with her. The family court judge consented to this because apparently she accused him of “abuse” and “sexual immorality” (masterbation?). He sees his sons for a few weeks over summer months and again over the Thanksgiving or Christmas holidays, alternating. That’s it. Visits are not supervised. So these boys are growing up in a house of all… Read more »

SJF
SJF
4 years ago

JJ,

The way of men is the way of tribes. Everybody has merit in a tribe. Unless they don’t. Then you might get kicked out. You don’t want to get kicked out.

In your case, you want to get a mentor. Which is a difficult process and takes some work on your part:

https://therationalmale.com/2016/01/18/a-teachable-moment/comment-page-3/#comment-136711

TheMarquis
TheMarquis
4 years ago

IRL, can I ask how old your son is? And how long since you started spending the extra time with him and pushing him more? I just came here to ask about my 6 year old boy. I posted about him before and I saw your post. Overall he’s doing fairly well. He’s an extrovert, popular in school. He’s improved his reading dramatically in the last few months and now reads for pleasure which is something I was worried about. But he’s still got a problem with losing control, losing his temper and flying into a rage. I think I… Read more »

rugby11
4 years ago

Palmasailor
https://wp.me/pXWyH-dQZ
Not spamming man never been my intent to and never will be the point of posting, I’m sharing stuff that helps me get into shape. Mentally and physically.

Yollo Comanche
Yollo Comanche
4 years ago

@TheMarquis

Is he really “popular” like you say or is it just what you hope? How many times a day is he shamed by the people who control his life?

kfg
kfg
4 years ago

Wilfrid Laurier University, still at it:

“ . . . assess the ways hypermasculinity is performed among men experiencing homelessness.”

https://pjmedia.com/trending/professor-slams-hegemonic-masculinity-of-homeless-men/

Yollo Comanche
Yollo Comanche
4 years ago

@kfg

Target Practice

TheMarquis
TheMarquis
4 years ago

PalmaSailor – perhaps you are right. I am certainly conscious that I don’t want to restrict his natural exuberance and his tendency to stand up for himself. The rest of society will do enough of that for him. I don’t discipline him for practical jokes or getting into shoving matches in school or things like that. But there is a limit and things like smashing the babysitter’s phone are well beyond it. He knew it was wrong, he’s not a baby. He just could not control his rage. And self-discipline is one of the hallmarks of a man and it… Read more »

rugby11
4 years ago

Blue pill and The One
https://bit.ly/2M81XKR
palmasailor
Man how the hell is your story been going? What counts for progress from your point of view?
https://bit.ly/2OPJBg3
https://bit.ly/2OQjdTg

Orson
Orson
4 years ago

@foxguy148 “It’s pretty amazing to watch and frustrating from a red pill lens when I think about it, never seen nothing like it, seen beautiful girls dominate but never to such an extent as this 4, it’s crazy.” The above line is the devil in the details! It is the reason why many guys go MGTOW! Actually this has been discussed quite a lot in MGTOW circles! It’s the rationale behind the famous “the juice isn’t worth the squeeze”! All your effort of self-improving will amount to securing a woman that is way below your sexual market value! I don’t… Read more »

theasdgamer
4 years ago

I don’t put the blame for this on men for “not trying” hard enough to be the best version of themselves!

soyboys…meh

SJF
SJF
4 years ago

“I don’t put the blame for this on men for “not trying” hard enough to be the best version of themselves!”

I certainly do.

Part of Red Pill is masculine self improvement. (but only about 90%. The other half is mental.)

IRL
IRL
4 years ago

@TheMarquis

Sounds like the same questions and the same issues again, no? Go and re-read your thread in FRs (page 70 back in February) with the old responses. Any nuances you missed or haven’t applied consistently yet?

theasdgamer
4 years ago

soyboy says,

Those girls are mean!!!! And I blame their tradcon dads!!! It’s not faiiiiiir!!!

Fucking pissant.

theasdgamer
4 years ago

Part of Red Pill is masculine self improvement. (but only about 90%. The other half is mental.)

And that last 10% takes 90% of the work.

Orson
Orson
4 years ago

I don’t need that much self-improvement for facilitating the hypergamy of 3’s and 4’s! I am average, more often than not my cock is on fire and hard as a rock. These women need to be re-educated! They are not worthy more than this splendid cock as they are conditioned to believe by thirsty men and purple pill simps likes you!

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

Orson

There are no “HB” scales for men.

SJF
SJF
4 years ago

“And that last 10% takes 90% of the work.”

I discovered (one of my red pill buddies had to tell me) that the last 10% works logarithmic-ally instead of linearly.

No one ever told me that. Then I relaxed and proceeded forward.

kfg
kfg
4 years ago

It has been called the Law of Records.

Reducing your 100m sprint time from one minute to half a minute is easy. All you have to do is show up and try.

Reducing your time from 15 seconds to 10 seconds is very hard.

Reducing your time from 10 seconds to 9.9 may be so hard it is beyond you. Only a handful ever make it.

“Then I relaxed and proceeded forward.”

A corollary is that to become noticeably above average little more is required than to show up and try, because so few even bother to do that.

IAS
IAS
4 years ago

and KFG:
I’d say the effort is exponential all the way, but for small efforts you can approximate nicely with a linear approximation. The last bit is just more obviously non-linear as the approximation breaks down well before you get to those last 10%.

And for a given trait and taking lots of people, they will be distributed on a Gaussian and so on.

kfg
kfg
4 years ago

You can approximate a curve with line segments.

kfg
kfg
4 years ago

As a side note, at the time he was killed Archimedes was playing with the realization that as you reduce the length of the line segment you more closely match the curve and the mathematical implications of that. Had it not been for one pissed off jarhead we might have had the calculus circa 200 B.C.

marelius
marelius
4 years ago

Orson “I don’t need that much self-improvement for facilitating the hypergamy of 3’s and 4’s! I am average, more often than not my cock is on fire and hard as a rock. These women need to be re-educated! ” This is the sentiment of someone who believes that the point of his life will be provided by the woman. Further, the problem is that, because the woman is misinformed about her SMV relative both to other women, and to men, the priorities she is setting for you are off the mark. “If only she could be re-educated as to her… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

Did this dude just write that his cock is on fire?🐓

SJF
SJF
4 years ago

“Noli turbare circulos meos..” (“Don’t fuck with my circles…”)

Was Archimedes trying to square the circles?

marelius
marelius
4 years ago

BBQ Chicken!

Orson
Orson
4 years ago

yes Blaximus! On fire and ready for action! That’s why every man need to stop being a simp and re-educate the HB3’s they date! Tell them they are only worth to please your cock and nothing more!

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

Lol.

…er, I mean ” lol! “.

marelius
marelius
4 years ago

That’s why every man needs to stop being a simp, re-educate himself about the true nature of intersexual dynamics, and date whoever they want, fully realizing that the women will not change.

FIFY

kfg
kfg
4 years ago

“Was Archimedes trying to square the circles?” More like trying to circle the squares. To make incalculable curves calculable by approximating them by ever smaller, calculable line segments. He very nearly had the Theory of Limits, which is the basis for calculus. It’s quite likely he had predicting artillery trajectories in mind. It’s possible he had it in his head already. And then his head was gone. If the soldier had completed his duty as directed (to take him alive as the greatest captured treasure of the campaign) the Romans might have been calculating orbitals in the time of Julius… Read more »

rugby11
4 years ago

Shame and Blue pill passing on from generation to generation.
https://bit.ly/2AP3jpl searching and creating a lot more to learn. Failing with the red pill in mind one man is no man. A part of a whole.
Attitude towards Death
Day 1 Heal relationships

rugby11
4 years ago

“Emotions are a form of energy in motion. They signal us of a loss, a threat or a satiation. Sadness is about losing something we cherish. Anger and fear are signal of actual or impending threats to our well-being. Joy signals that we are fulfilled and satisfied. Whenever a child is shamed through some form of abandonment, feelings of anger, hurt and sadness arise. Since shame-based parents are shame bound in all their emotions, they cannot tolerate their children’s emotions. Therefore, they shame their children’s emotions. When their emotions are shamed, children numb out, so they don’t feel their emotions.”… Read more »

SJF
SJF
4 years ago

@Blaximus and J. Rollo had this in his Twitter feed: https://therationalmale.com/2012/08/08/pushing-forwards-back/ ….The distinction that men need to make is the difference between success motivated by the need for pussy, and an abundance of pussy that is the by-product of a man’s success. Hypergamy doesn’t care about your moral interpretations. Hypergamy doesn’t care about your personal motivations to achieve and become more than you started with, it only cares about what you are. If that makes you feel slighted or morally indignant, go read War Brides. Yeah, that’s some really fucked up hypergamy right there, but the question isn’t whether it’s… Read more »

thedeti
thedeti
4 years ago

i don’t know if anyone said this. Reading that photo’d text in the heading was painful. I’ve done that long, long ago. First, the reason Sabrina was breaking up with this guy is precisely because of the attitude he’s exhibiting in the text exchange. the overwrought feelings. The hyperemotionality. The melodramatic overreaction. He’s acting like a woman, really. I almost want to say “you want to know why it’s over ? Because of this. These texts here. The way you’re acting right now. There’s a scene in the film Hitch with Will Smith where Hitch, as a younger man, weeps… Read more »

rugby11
4 years ago

thedeti “If she breaks up with you, don’t say anything, don’t respond. Don’t ask why, don’t offer to fix it, don’t beg or plead, don’t do anything. Don’t talk. Just end the conversation and leave. Just delete her contact information and social media, and block her. Go total no contact.” I did this once and their was a level of Freedom that was really fascinating to have come out. https://wp.me/p10w4n-5jG : http://wp.me/p10w4n-4Y2 ” If you need to feel it, those are the people you feel it with. You do it away from women, all women – even your mother. Even… Read more »

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
4 years ago

IMHO Mastery in human performance including masculinity (golf is particularly apt, too) is distributed as such: There’s always an inflection point where the squeeze renders soooo much more juice. Why are there so few guys doing well with the information public, a mouse click away? Why not ape the process to success? Why aren’t we all Chads? Consider RP the infection point. You’ve got recondite knowledge of universal interpersonal dynamics that can be leveraged. Here is where a lot of guys stop in their progress as RP is defined as sex, how to get it…and there those dudes sit at… Read more »

TheMarquis
TheMarquis
4 years ago

IRL, you are correct, the question is similar to the exchange I had with you and Sentient in February. Things have improved since then – most importantly, his TV watching is sharply reduced to only on weekends. He is finally reading and reading for pleasure by himself. Those are pretty big improvements. He and I had a holiday by ourselves for 2 weeks a few months ago. It went pretty well. He’s okay when with me, or with his mom. He knows he can’t get away with raging out when we are around. But has a tendency to lose it… Read more »

SjR
SjR
4 years ago

@Orson – I think we all agree that most women’s egos and percieved SMVs are ridiculously inflated. There is no “re-educate them” option, they don’t wanna and wouldn’t comprehend if you tried. Soo, what to do?? MGTOW is not the answer and you aren’t winning by removing yourself to teach those haughty bitches a lesson. Learning to really make yourself MPoO is the first step. I will say that stepping out of ‘the marketplace’ to get your head on right helps many men and that is the one place I can appreciate a MGTOW like mindset as long as its… Read more »

SjR
SjR
4 years ago

@ The Marquis – That’s a tough situation you’re in with your son. I would hope that it is just a ‘boys will be boys phase’ and that he’s pushing his boundries. However, blatant destructive behavior outbursts are not something I’d want to tolerate, even at 6 years old. IMO setting a very firm precedent of “destructive behavior = your loss” is one way to get him to think instead of embracing his rage. It’s also very applicable for his whole life. I’m not against spanking, but I do see where aggression can encourage further aggression, so the response should… Read more »

Not Born This Morning
4 years ago

@Rugby11- And anyone else who has an ear, let this be “heard”. I just read your “Bob Dylan was a mouthpiece….onward into the world I go” piece. Good read. Something I’m thinking… somthing that made the most difference for me, permanently. Maybe you are / have been .. lifting, weight lifting, intense, hardcore. 6 days a week stuff. It made an extremely dramatic positive change in me, starting 38 years ago and has consistently thereafter. No drugs ever. Those first years were the most dramatic. It is a part of the world and life most well worth going forth into.… Read more »

Not Born This Morning
4 years ago

“J”

Is a poser and a troll.

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
4 years ago

For a guy who has a teenage felony rap, no young man is irredeemable.

Not Born This Morning
4 years ago

Did anyone here watch the season finale of The Bachelorette and get the impression that the producers intentionally wrote a flipped script in a feminine attempt to confuse men’s perception of women’s alpha beta preference, or get the impression that “Becca” flipped it herself in a self sabatoging alpha male denial crazy feminine vengeance escapade? Clearly ABC is liberal FI bullshit primarily and all male contestants on The Bachelorette and each male bachelor on The Bachelor are each hopeless betas. The whole fucking shit show (both shows) are founded on the Disney soul mate myth, etc. Of course women are… Read more »

SjR
SjR
4 years ago

Idk about the network media, but nothing surprises me, esp about some FI narrative. I don’t watch those shows, but I’m familiar enough to agree that it’s Disney BP shit show…

This however, I really liked: “Of course women are incapable of loving a man as much as they love being whores….. ”

That sounds highly disparaging of women, but I have found a lot of truth in it. They love being ‘the right man’s woman (whore)’ more than they love the man himself..

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