Blue Pill Trauma

Something I’m asked a lot is,…

“How do you unplug a guy from the Matrix? All of this Red Pill awareness about intersexual dynamics has radically changed / saved my life for the better!  I want to let my friends, my brothers, my dad, know about how this knowledge will help them in their relationships, with the women their involved with, and dealing with women in life in general.

This stuff is SO IMPORTANT. But I run into such resistance from even my close friends and family. What can I do? I want to give these guys your book and discuss it rationally with them. I want to pass on this awareness like you encourage, but it’s like they’re just unwilling to see the truth. They don’t even want to talk about it. They just want to persist in doing shit that’s frustrating them and dealing with women from a blue pill perspective. Rollo, how do I help my brother?”

There was a time when I was a moderator on the SoSuave forums when we would discuss exactly this question. The frustration of knowing that your brother or your best friend could be living such a better life if only they would open their eyes and see how they’ve been trapped in a way of thinking about intersexual relations that they were conditioned to accept from a very early age. Believe me, I still get frustrated today. I see stories about how a guy like the one in the discussion above here is on the verge of despondency or suicide because they’re unable or unwilling to consider anything outside the box that the Blue Pill will allow for.

That’s a pretty serious thought. Blue Pill conditioning, and a guy’s capacity to break away from it, is literally a matter of life and death. Now, imagine you’re a Red Pill aware man and you have the experience of seeing your best friend or brother’s descent into relationship madness only because his ego-investments in the Old Set of Books wont permit him to think any other way. They’d rather put a noose around their neck than reconsider their investments in how things ought to be between men and women.

She’s My Everything

We’re going to come back to this question later in this essay, but now I’d like you to have a look at the IM exchange I had a reader make me aware of on Twitter this week. I apologize for the resolution; the tweet was deleted not long after I commented on it and I had to rely on screen captures. What you’re looking at here is an exchange between a very invested Blue Pill guy and the thought process guys like this typically go through when the woman they’ve made their ‘everything’ wants them gone. There’s a lot going on in this and I wanted to parse it out here. When you’re Red Pill aware for any length of time it can sometimes be confusing to see the thought process that Blue Pill conditioning predisposes a guy to. The Red Pill Lens is one of the gifts (and curses) of having unplugged, and internalizing the awareness can make us somewhat confused or jaded to the experiences of guys who are still plugged in and trying to make their blinded understanding of intersexual dynamics work for them.

“Can this guy really not see why this girl wants to get away from him?” From a Red Pill perspective we might think this guy is an idiot for not seeing what he’s doing. It’s plain as day for us so their must be something wrong with him, right? Usually, the only thing wrong is that these guys’ Blue Pill conditioning has limited them to understanding their situations from that old set of books – the rule set that they believe (like a religion) that ‘quality women’ acknowledge and play by too. Lets try to put this jadedness aside for a moment.

[…] I can’t take my mind off of you no matter what I do and yesterday I literally cried for an hour in my room because I didn’t know what to do. I just really need you in my life and it kills me to know that I have messed our relationship up,…

This kid’s (it reads like he’s an adolescent) whole exchange is riddled with self-incrimination. This is an intrinsic part of Blue Pill conditioning – the guy is always at fault in any break up. Even with his now ex’s admission of her own complicity in their split, he’ll have none of it. If a relationship, a marriage, fails it is always because a guy wasn’t invested enough; even if she cheated on him the Blue Pill conditioned mind will only accept his complicity in her looking outside the relationship. I should also add that this is an integral part of the Promise Keepers mentality as well as the ‘Oprah-Marriage Counselor Approved’ notion that “relationships take a lot of work” and it’s always a man’s responsibility to qualify himself for a woman’s intimacy by maintaining that work.

As a result, the Blue Pill mind automatically defaults to self-blame and looks to find ways to negotiate some kind of new work-program that will ‘fix’ the ‘broken’ relationship he somehow caused. Blue Pill conditioned men are still men, and as such they default to the deductive reasoning that we’re largely predisposed to. So in that Blue Pill state it seems like logic to look for solutions that will put the relationship back together again. This is how Blue Pill men’s minds work; they have a set of (Old Books) rules they believe everyone is, or ought to be, playing by and since he also believes the lie of coequal agency (blank-slate) between men and women he thinks a woman’s desire and intimacy can be deductively bargained with.

He realizes his failing and will be sure to correct it. But that’s not how all this works. In fact, it’s this very acknowledgement that only reinforces this woman’s decision to leave him. Hypergamy is rooted in doubt, and it turns out he is as Beta and optionless as her Hypergamous hindbrain suspected. His reaction to her confirms it.

[…] how can you just cut me out of your life so quickly? I want to make things better and work on our relationship because I know what it can be, why don’t you want to work on it?

I’m trying to avoid most of the clingy emotional shit in this exchange. Blue Pill guys will pepper in their emotive state even in the best of times in a relationship, but when they’re facing a break up, that’s when all the stuff he’s been taught about vulnerability being a strength turns into a huge liability for him. Not to mention it disgusts the woman leaving him.

Here we see the standard Blue Pill bewilderment over why this woman he’s deeply invested in can so casually blow him off and move on. Isn’t she playing by the same rulebook he’s been playing by since he learned to dutifully put women as his mental point of origin? I linked my War Brides essay in his quote above because this is the nuts and bolts reason as to how women can, and often do, move on so quickly. It is literally part of women’s preinstalled mental firmware to have the capacity to turn on a dime with their emotions.

Next he makes the Blue Pill appeals to Relational Equity and declares his willingness to ‘work on the relationship’ in order to fix it. In a breakup this ‘work on the relationship’ narrative works against women; particularly if the guy they’re leaving is overly invested in equalism. He’s been taught that “open communication is the key to any healthy relationship®” so he’s confused as to why his coequal ‘soul mate’ wouldn’t want to work on things and patch it up. When things are good the ‘work on things’ narrative is a benefit for women getting the things they want, but when she wants to leave a Blue Pill guy (usually because she wants to open herself to better Hypergamous options) it’s a leash around her neck. Why doesn’t she want to ‘work on the relationship’?

This is really what defines his outlook on this breakup, but he can’t see that it’s what his Blue Pill conditioning has embedded in his ego. He is incapable of interpreting his situation in any other way.

So, yeah, it gets worse. Now we discover that this guy has done exactly what I explained most Blue Pill men do when they define themselves by their ego-investments: the Blue Pill kills their capacity not to just achieve their dreams, but to have dreams or ambitions at all. We have a guy whose dreams center on being the “perfect boyfriend”; the guy who’ll literally do anything to make it work. A ‘good relationship’ is his highest aspiration, so when that woman isn’t playing her part – playing by the ‘do anything to make it work‘ rule set – the response is usually to find fault in himself, because to find fault in his ‘soul mate’ is to question the whole Blue Pill mental apparatus.

But still, she won’t play ball, so there are 3 possibilities: The first and go-to reason is that he must’ve fucked something up somehow. The next is that there’s something wrong with her because she’s not playing by the same rules he was conditioned to believe women play by. And lastly there’s something wrong with his entire ego-invested Blue Pill outlook on the whole rule set. That last one is the most difficult and unlikely conclusion a guy will ever come to.

Out Come the Knives

More often than not this is the stage at which the woman involved begins building her defenses against the attacks her ex Beta boyfriend is lobbing at her in an effort to explain why “working on the relationship” isn’t solving his fear of having to be single (and optionless) again. You’ve got a Blue Pill conditioned guy who believes he’s done everything by the books and is now very confused that his commitment to ‘making it work‘ hasn’t earned him the Relational Equity that any coequal, co-rational, woman should count towards his value to her. Whatever he did that was ‘wrong’ should be paid for by that equity. And anyway, the rules clearly state that open communication and negotiation are what’s expected from her too, right?

Only, that ‘equity’ isn’t protecting him from a Hypergamy that can’t afford for her to spend a minute longer with him. But he doesn’t know this, so, like any deductive Beta he pleads his case and this is what sets off her defensiveness.

Even the sweetest, most unassuming wallflower of a girl has her ego intimately linked with Hypergamy. Optimizing Hypergamy is her Darwinistic prime directive in life. So when just the notion of her being forced to compromise that optimization looks like a possibility she rebels with the intensity of a survival instinct level of self-preservation. There was a time when social controls were expected to buffer the worst exploits women would use to optimize Hypergamy. Arranged marriages, social and religious conventions, peer pressure, etc. were all, in some part, a means to controlling this survival instinct, gut level anxiety – and instituting a degree of control over Hypergamy by men and society.

Today, in our post Sexual Revolution dystopia, the idea that a woman might be personally or socially expected to compromise her Hypergamous stakes in life is met with that reflexive, feral, survival instinct. This is why women bristle at the idea that they might ever need to “settle” on Mr. Good Enough once they reach their sexual market expiration date. It’s like telling their hindbrains that they need to consider spending the rest of their lives invested in children that aren’t as good as they might be had they held out a little longer. Hypergamy bets a woman’s life on a future with a given man, so yes, it’s very muck a survival instinct.

All of this gets compressed into the hostility a woman feels when a ‘lesser man’, one confirmed to be unworthy of that lifetime bet, essentially tells her she wrong for betting on him and then removing her bet. That feral response comes at him full force, but only after she’s absolved her complicity in playing along with his Blue Pill paradigm. She needs to be able to explain to her ego that she did try to ‘let him down easy’ before she ripped off the bandaid in one go. Now he’s “crazy”, “needy”, has “mommy issues” is “insecure” and various other rationales as needed to keep her ego blameless for what she really knew was his dedication to the Blue Pill.

He’s Blue Pill, but He’s Crazy

I’m sure there are men and women alike reading this and thinking, well, this guy is genuinely disturbed. Maybe he’s just an Incel who made good for a while and then his codependency surfaced and she wisely ejected from the relationship. That seems like an obvious take, but I’m going to argue that all Blue Pill conditioned guys are this guy. That life-long conditioning plays on men’s innate Idealism and fosters exactly his way of thinking. When women are your conditioned Mental Point of Origin, rearranging your life to accommodate “working on the relationship” is a natural progression. Getting Zeroed Out is a lot easier when you’re taught to believe that you literally cannot live without a woman.

Finally, we come to the point where this guy – maybe the friend you’ve been trying to unplug before something like this happened – is confronted with staying the course, self-righteously accepting his dumping and clings even more so to his Blue Pill Lens on the world, or he develops some introspect and confronts the idea that his outlook on the set of rules he’s been playing by is not valid. The most common way men find the Red Pill community is via an experience like this. Unfortunately, it often requires a significant life trauma to shake the sleeping man awake, but having your outlook on intersexual dynamics challenged is the only way most men will ever be open to anything contradictory.

When men ask me, “Rollo, my friend, brother, dad, are heading towards something awful, how do I get them to realize they need to unplug?” I have to say wait for the right time. There are some guys who will make this transition on their own and all it might take is your handing him my book and talking about it. There are some guys who will come to it because what they’re doing isn’t bearing fruit in their personal lives and they become Red Pill aware because circumstances pushed them that way. But most men are Betas. Most of them have lived through an extensive conditioning that put them right where this guy is, and most of them will fight you tooth and nail for trying to convince them they were raised the wrong way.

It’s sometimes just easier to ghost on these men, but what do you do when it’s your brother who White Knights at any opportunity in spite of being run through the machine of a Blue Pill social order?  My best advice is to wait for your moments. A lot of people will tell you that it’s manipulative to lay the Red Pill on a guy who’s at his most vulnerable, but it requires a stripping away of all the Blue Pill pretense and mind-fuckery to really make a cogent case and unplug the guy.

I would always advise that you stay honest, open and forgiving of the guy. Most likely he’s told you how fucked up or misogynistic your world view is in his White Knighting efforts in the past. It’s like he ridiculed you for thinking you could ‘educate him’. You have to let that go when you make your case for Red Pill awareness. It would be better to ghost him than to be vindictive, gloating or tell him “I toldja so.” Let him tell you you told him so when he thanks you later.


As an aside here I need to draw readers’ attention to just how vulnerable this shit makes Blue Pill, Beta mindset men to the predations of what I call “Success Porn” brokers. One of the most fucked up outcomes of understanding how Blue Pill idealism affect men is the desire to capitalize on this weakness by Purple Pill life-coaching hacks. One in particular is RSD’s (Real Social Dynamics) new “get me a girlfriend game” program that, in my opinion, plays directly on this hopeful Blue Pill “make it work” idealism.

“Life Coaches” see this neediness as a perfect niche to sell Blue Pill dreams back to guys who want to cling to their Blue Pill security blankets in Red Pill awareness. How miraculous would it seem to think you’re Red Pill savvy enough to make all your old Blue Pill dreams – the ones you went through hell to disabuse yourself of – come true. Hacks like this are too happy to ruin your life for you in rekindling that fantasy as long as you buy the premier edition of their “program”. Caveat emptor.

 

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j
j
4 years ago

“Once again, there is no magic or tricks to having sex with women.” No, but there ARE specific frames and re-frames you can set…topics to talk about…that will help you have sex with a hot girl within an hour (which comes pretty close to magic). Guys desire hot girls. (“Damn…I want to fuck the shit out of that fat ugly whale over there” – said no guy ever) Hot girls are not easy….otherwise the Field Reports section would be filled with daily Lay Reports with 9s and 10s…. “….but you still hear the faint ” gf ” mentions in the… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

” ….to help you keep that girl long term in a non-traditional mLTR relationship …” A majority of men can’t ever do this. They don’t have the chops to pull it off. They may start out thinking that they are doing some kind of E=MC2 relationship stuff until they aren’t and it either goes south or it goes amazingly ” normal “, just like every other relationship. When I was spinning plates, I must’ve gone through 20 chicks just to find 4-5 that would deal with non exclusivity past a certain time frame, and even then, one of my absolute… Read more »

SJF
SJF
4 years ago

“The goal of PUA is to get you to a point where you can cold approach any hot girl you desire anywhere you are and being to seduce her within a day or two day (no bootcamp necessary.” You self admittedly aren’t just getting it from potential mentors on the first go around. Some old guy, Sentient, Blax, KFG, advice is pithy (concise and forcefully expressive. synonyms:succinct, terse, concise, compact, short (and sweet), brief, condensed, to the point, epigrammatic, crisp, thumbnail). You know why they are saying PUA isn’t the sine qua non? Because it isn’t and Game means more… Read more »

Jonathan Ellis
Jonathan Ellis
4 years ago

Same thing happened to me. It was a blessing in disguise.

j
j
4 years ago

“There are more pursuits and passions.”

I’m not here to talk about my day at the beach and the subsequent football game we played yesterday. Im just here to talk about chicks man…lol

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

j

tomorrow I am going to jump in the Atlantic ocean.

then I’m taking the wife in for a dip at night because scary ( for her….okay shit, for me too ).

Then I will win her some corny stuffed animals on the boardwalk because it’s been a looonnnggg time since I’ve done that.

And I’ll talk metric tons of shit to the guys/girls operating the games as I try to clean them the fuck out.

And I’d bet you 100 grand that she’s gonna clutch those shitty little stuffed animals to her bosom like they were newborns.

seawall970
seawall970
4 years ago

Rollo,

I suppose it’s only tangentially related, but this recent post from Evan Marc Katz relating to incels takes the cake. The unmitigated virtue signaling is disgusting. As if blue-pill conditioning wasn’t difficult enough for the millions of young men who struggle to get laid, they now get to have collective guilt foisted upon them due to the actions of less than a handful.

https://www.evanmarckatz.com/blog/sex/why-women-are-not-incels-and-never-murder-in-cold-blood/

rugby11
4 years ago

Blue pill trauma no farther no future. Etheir you unplug yourself or you disconnect from yourself.
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/22y9f7/serious_parents_of_children_who_have_committed/?st=JK9QM0ZS&sh=9572a895

kfg
kfg
4 years ago

“You know why they are saying PUA isn’t the sine qua non? Because it isn’t and Game means more than PUA . . .” I’ve watched a few of Max’s videos, which I find difficult because I find them cringey, as well as a peculiar hot purple mess. Max needs to take a Walt Kowalski Gamer Game boot camp. I could pull some old guy out of a muffler shop, stick him in front of a camera and get a better presentation. However, to be perfectly fair, Max does say this, even if he says it funny. And says that… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

Epiphany phase????

( there’s not a big enough ” L ” on my keyboards to express my feelings about that statement )

kfg
kfg
4 years ago

He didn’t literally say that, I paraphrased, but that’s what what he said means.

j
j
4 years ago

“And says that PUA is just your pussy carousel stage and you should move on to your epiphany phase. WTF?” You have a problem with banging a ton of girls in your 20s and have mini-relationships with different types of girls to find out which one you can see yourself settling down with long term. Then when you reach 35 or so and have your career together, pick a girl (ideally 25 and under) with those attributes (that you know for a fact you like instead of guessing or picking a girl just because she’s hot) to settle down with… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago
kfg
kfg
4 years ago

And I’m afraid I’m at a bit of a loss in terms of a serious criticism. The “hot purple mess” isn’t really purple unless you stand way back. Up close it’s red and blue spin art. Half a sentence of talking to men as if they are women and then the other half telling them to man up. And it just goes on and on like that, a discordant jumble. Yes, he says a lot of the right Red Pill phrases (often lifted directly from TRM), but he doesn’t say them like what they mean and it could take hours… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

AR

Now when I want to go out informally, I grab stuff here ( when the lines to get in are short enough )

https://www.thetopsdiner.com/#press

Good enough for the sopranos, good enough for me.

SJF
SJF
4 years ago

“And says that PUA is just your pussy carousel stage and you should move on to your epiphany phase. WTF?” So what you are saying is that men should not have a pussy carousel stage? I believe they should. To get it out of their system. So would the Red Man Group say so. And most ended up you know where. I wish I would have had a pussy carousel stage in my life. I didn’t. And I didn’t also need it to end up where I’m at now. Which is where I want to be. (but then again, I… Read more »

kfg
kfg
4 years ago

I was about to say that you can’t beat the Blue Benn in Bennington, VT, but it turns out it’s actually on the list. Go figure.

For a place you can’t properly call a diner, Kitchen Little in Mystic, CT.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
4 years ago

j
You have a problem with banging a ton of girls in your 20s and have mini-relationships with different types of girls to find out which one you can see yourself settling down with long term.

Not epiphany phase. Don’t take a perfectly good term that refers to women and muddy the waters up by trying to apply it to men.

SJF
SJF
4 years ago

“Then when you reach 35 or so and have your career together, pick a girl (ideally 25 and under) with those attributes (that you know for a fact you like instead of guessing or picking a girl just because she’s hot) to settle down with and have a kid with?”

That sounds like a legit PuA plan.

BTW, What the fuck happened to YaReally commenting here?

Exactly why did he take his ball and go home?

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
4 years ago

@seawall970

Evan Marc Katz is blue pill, likes to play “only real man in the room” and has swiped a few ideas from the androsphere. Sort of a male $usan Wal$h.
Not worth wasting time on.

SJF
SJF
4 years ago

“Walt Kowalski Gamer Game boot camp”

Gran Torino is back on Netflix this month.

kfg
kfg
4 years ago

“Don’t take a perfectly good term that refers to women and muddy the waters up by trying to apply it to men.” Again, he didn’t actually use that phrase. It’s the way he said it that made it come out that way to me. His pitch is, well, I can’t really catagorize it as anything but “peculiar.” I get a similar feel from his videos as I get from a female written romance disguised as SciFi which jumbles up various, mutually exclusive interpretations of quantum physics as if that made any sense and actually was quantum physics to explain something.… Read more »

kfg
kfg
4 years ago

“Gran Torino is back on Netflix this month.”

Amazon Prime as well.

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

Meh, different strokes I guess. I’m 57, my oldest is 33 in a few months, my youngest is 18. My dad just turned 80. I thought I was old at 39 to be having a kid, but I wanted one so there’s that. I don’t know if I’d have pushed it much beyond that. If I was 35 when I started having kids, I’d be 68 when my oldest turned 33. It depends on just how actively one wants to participate in raising their kids I think/guess. I also think that nowadays, the average 24 year old man or woman… Read more »

mersonia
4 years ago

A great time for my return…..lol

“BTW, What the fuck happened to YaReally commenting here?”

Going back and forth with you guys is a waste of time because you only use emotions not logic.

Anyways this girl is trying to ruin my life………………………little did she know I would press the fuck out of her.

looool She waaaaaaaaas terrified……………….and I’ll never hit a bitch…but don’t think I don’t think about it.

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

” You have a problem with banging a ton of girls in your 20s and have mini-relationships with different types of girls to find out which one you can see yourself settling down with long term.” Nope. I think this is a good plan of action. Caveat = You must spend all of that time learning while banging, or you might make a mistake that you will greatly regret. It’s not so much about what you can ” see yourself ” doing as it is about what you can actually do long term vs what she will do long term.… Read more »

kfg
kfg
4 years ago

“Amazon Prime as well.”

Never mind. That was a July selection and it’s back to rental now. But Fist of Fury is up on Prime, so I’ve got that going for me, which is nice.

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

R.I.P. Big Boss

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

Well someone mentioned boot camp

This revelation just breaking…

https://www.projectveritas.com/2018/08/02/an-unfair-game-urban-meyer-a-history-of-abuse/

Football coaches can be big meanies and call names. Drill instructors are on high alert.

(Btw what the fuck is O’keefe doing with this shit?)

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

No matter how hard I tried, I could never jump, fly through the air and kick a guy in the face/head 10 feet off the ground.

Bruce rules.

theasdgamer
4 years ago

@Blax No matter how hard I tried, I could never jump, fly through the air and kick a guy in the face/head 10 feet off the ground. Bruce rules. Yep, Bruce was a student of Western Philosophy and fencing. His style incorporated the elements of fencing. A Eurasian guy who could jump (but he probably still had a small dick, lol). @Culum How old were you when you first kissed a girl? How old were you when you first felt up a hot girl’s titties? How old were you when you first stuck your fingers in a hot girl’s twat?… Read more »

SJF
SJF
4 years ago

@KFG

I watched Gran Torino recently in the past month or two. I believe I stole it off the internet. I believe I watched it because of you. I believe I feel cognitive dissonance in the motivations and actions of Walt.

And I believe I spent last weekend in downtown Detroit. I don’t believe we hit Highland Park, but I do recall Hamtramck.

I’m conflicted on the message. Maybe you can express an old guy red pill message there. Make sure it includes “ruthlessness” for the benefit of others….

theasdgamer
4 years ago

Lol, that wasn’t ruthless. Ruthless for me, is a whole other level. Cosign. @SJF I told you all about the time that I kicked a guy in the ribs (while he was standing) and bruised them badly enough that he had to see the doc. That wasn’t ruthless. I was just putting an end to the fight doing minimal damage since he was a frat bro. Ruthless for me is a whole ‘nuther level. I was nineteen and 5’7″ and 125# dripping wet. I’m much bigger and stronger and meaner now. And I fight better. Are you impressed? lol Writing… Read more »

kfg
kfg
4 years ago

I went gleaning in the fields but got AMOGed by Boaz and came away Ruth less.

SJF
SJF
4 years ago

It’s not so much about what you can ” see yourself ” doing as it is about what you can actually do long term vs what she will do long term. I think it’s a mistake for guys to think along the lines of ” settling down “. What does that even mean actually? After 20 years of weddedness, I can still ” see myself ” going out and banging chicks as long as my knee and shoulder allows me to, if that is what I choose to do for whatever reason. I’m consistent, but not settled. I don’t do… Read more »

SJF
SJF
4 years ago

oops first two paragraphs were me quoting Blaximus

kfg
kfg
4 years ago

“The value is insane . . . TOTAL $7,970”

Yes, yes it is.

The Silver FoX
The Silver FoX
4 years ago

Yep, too true once again, Rollo. Well written… For me, it’s been exactly 12 months since the Serpent (who i’d fallen for) threw me out for me basically losing frame, and it’s taken me this long (after years of working on unplugging after two decades of a very variety filled sex life) to finally start getting over worrying about pussy constantly. She posted a memory on FaceCrack about when she visited me here a year ago & we first fucked, so she was obviously thinking about it too. I just responded with “Good timez…” though probably should have ignored her,… Read more »

Fall Forward
Fall Forward
4 years ago

I was Red Pill aware before the Matrix was even written, but the jagged little blue pill caught me thru 1000 tiny cuts over a 23 year relationship. When I was released back into the wild I was pleased to discover that Rollo and many others had been exploring and defining these issues, and returned to what is now called RED PILL. And yet 3 years out I still fell prey to some of the same traps, uttered some of the same weepy ineffectual pleading, because “this time its different…” This was supposed to be the TLDR version, so Ill… Read more »

SjR
SjR
4 years ago

I’m late in getting into this thread but I got a couple things to add.. First, Rollo great breakdown of the mindsets. I have basically been that guy in the OP many years ago.. I wasn’t RP then but I vaguely understood the real game that she was playing and ejected. It was very painful and I literally cried over it but I resolved to have more self respect than to act in the way the guy in the IM did. Second, I’ve seen a lot of bumping heads between the old school masculine RP guys here vs the PUA… Read more »

foxguy148
foxguy148
4 years ago

“@foxguy “The only antidote to this type of manipulation” the only antidote is to game the 8. If talking to the 4 is not helping you get the 8, The fuck you doing talking to her lmao???” I am not trying to get either, I am simply observing my surrounding environment and sharing this anecdotal information which matches what Rollo and others have written. The 4 has very strong manipulation skills, she got a green card out of the guy she is married to currently, popped out a kid and has him on lockdown and it’s a good looking white… Read more »

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mersonia
4 years ago

@Asdgamer

“You’re still developing physically and your skull is still full of mush. Maybe in a few years you might get a lick of sense. In the meantime, continue to believe in your “logic.””

You;re autistic

kobayashii1681
4 years ago

Lol look at this joke! Rollo and Blax are MGTOW/???? 😆😆😆 Someone’s about to unravel!

Walawala
Walawala
4 years ago

@Rugby you’re starting to get annoying again. Stop posting and read more. Seriously no one clicks on your links and posting 6 per page isn’t adding to the discussion.

Start your own blog.

14sonnenrad88
4 years ago

Rollo’s “Blue Pill Alphas” post sums that up nicely

SJF
SJF
4 years ago

@Rugby Self Destruction is not Self Improvement From an email from Joe Luger @Westernmastery.com: Stop Wasting Your Time With Self Improvement Huh? Maybe the tile is a bit surprising, but I’ve said something very similar to this before. From talking to a lot of you, many of you are squandering your time with self-improvement. I can hear it already … “Bro, what the hell? I thought you were Mr. Self Improvement!” In the right capacity, absolutely. Self-improvement is legit – but you must make sure you’re doing it right. ONLY reading books, listening to podcasts, watching motivational videos on YouTube… Read more »

theasdgamer
4 years ago

@Rollo Some clarification here: if you think I’m against guys having girlfriends because I can see these hacks for what they are, or it must mean I think the Red Pill is just guys endlessly banging women non-exclusively, please unfollow me on Twitter and go sign up for GetMeAGirlfriend because clearly 7 years of TRM has taught you nothing. Oh, noes, you aren’t Red Pill!!! You are in a relationship and can’t be Red Pill!!! Don’t you know that women are all bitches and will destroy your life for cash and prizes!!! /sarcasm off For a man to have relationship… Read more »

theasdgamer
4 years ago

I have no doubt men can ‘sell’ themselves to a girl, but the man who’s internalized game and RP knowledge doesn’t have to sell anything. It’s not really sales–it’s about making a girl feel unbalanced, like you’ve taken her down, to use a wrestling metaphor. You’ve rocked her world and she feels outclassed. And then you go and give her a little time and interest and sexual validation. That’s what a woman craves. If you can do this to a BPD girl, as long as you rock her world and make her feel outclassed, you won’t feel her claws. Your… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

kfg

Well to be fair, it is a “special time in game history”…

rugby11
4 years ago

Thanks SJF

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
4 years ago

Blaximus
Hey, y’all neuroplasticity guys, do you think it’d be harder at 35 to switch gears and go into daddy mode when you’ve been in career/whatever mode?

Depends on the man. How flexible is he mentally, what’s his MPOO, how long has he been married, etc.

It’s an “old dog, new tricks” thing, some can do it easily, some have a difficult time with it, and of course his frame matters a lot – she needs to be in line and on her toes.

IMO.

SJF
SJF
4 years ago

I still haven’t entirely read the OP (because it’s too annoying to read about beta blue pills), but I was going to the gym and had Bob Dylan’s Blood on the Tracks cued up. He had just broken up with his wife Sara. And started to compose some songs in late 1974. “The album has been viewed as an outstanding example of the confessional singer-songwriter’s craft, and it has been called “the truest, most honest account of a love affair from tip to stern ever put down on magnetic tape”.–Songfacts.com Listen to the original studio melodies of track 3 and… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
4 years ago

walawala @Rugby you’re starting to get annoying again. Stop posting and read more. Seriously no one clicks on your links and posting 6 per page isn’t adding to the discussion. Rugby’s getting a bit better. He’s posting links that are more useful than the videos he used to obsess over. It is not difficult to scroll past these links if you do not want to look at them, either. . It’s not as if Rugby is posting hundreds of lines of copyrighted material, or repeatedly Boomerposting rock lyrics from the 1970’s as if they are timeless poetry, or posting the… Read more »

Not Born This Morning
4 years ago

Dylan – He never stopped searching. Is that special? What he looked for doesn’t exist. What’s so special about things that don’t exist…or the people who look for them…. All of his work reflected this. All his pain, frustration, philosophizing, and bullshit was all for naught in the red pill sense. Wasted. Wasted, like he was, when he was on the drugs. Wasted. Like all his ilk. Almost an entire generation of a certain ethnic-socioeconomic class wasted themselves. The garbage can still isn’t full. When they can’t “think” or “dream” themselves into a stupor, they turn to drugs, sex, alcohol,… Read more »

Not Born This Morning
4 years ago

@SjR –

“I don’t considered myself a great sales person because I don’t care for what it entails. I don’t feel it’s ‘real’.”

So, what is real?

ace
ace
4 years ago

” since he also believes the lie of coequal agency (blank-slate) between men and women he thinks a woman’s desire and intimacy can be deductively bargained with.”

rugby11
4 years ago

Bob Dylan was a mouthpiece to so much in culture red pill truths with a culture that seemed to define it self by how much it had in common with a dream within a dream. Im putting myself in order and losing what no longer serves me. But crafting myself from that is brutal. Yoga reaching out i got in to a run to help me connect to god. https://bit.ly/2LOBNh5 Been looking into getting a harmonica to make music with while i walk in the woods. Have a 3 d archery gathering that i may go to. But in general… Read more »

kfg
kfg
4 years ago

“i have rituals and habits that burn.”

Burn some new ones that are more productive. They will serve as habit and ritual just as well as the unproductive ones.

j
j
4 years ago

“It’s not as if Rugby is posting hundreds of lines of copyrighted material, or repeatedly Boomerposting rock lyrics from the 1970’s as if they are timeless poetry, or posting the same excerpts from some other man’s book over, and over, and over, and over again.”

Lmaooo!!!

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
4 years ago

rugby “i have rituals and habits that burn.” kfg Burn some new ones that are more productive. They will serve as habit and ritual just as well as the unproductive ones. Agreed. One way to reduce the power of old habits is by learning new ones. One way to file down the jagged edges of bad memories is by overlaying them with good memories. Say “STOP” to yourself and make it stick. Once you can say “NO” to some part of your brain and make it stick, it will be easier to say “NO” to other people — and make… Read more »

Jonathan Ellis
Jonathan Ellis
4 years ago

I’m not fully sold on the idea that women are naturally able to move on from a long term relationship at the drop of a dime. I believe that they have the ability to do so much more quickly and coldly then men but our social climate (social media, online dating and feminism) has directly contributed to women cutting men out of their lives seemingly at the drop of a hat, after years of commitment.

kfg
kfg
4 years ago

” . . . our social climate (social media, online dating and feminism) has directly contributed to women cutting men out of their lives seemingly at the drop of a hat . . .”

Because they want to, not because they are being forced.

There is an old grifter’s saying, “You cannot cheat an honest man.”

Rebel Yells
Rebel Yells
4 years ago

@ Rollo – Excellent post! Question for you. You speak quite a bit about the bitterness of the Red Pill to new initiates and that it eventually dissipates; however, what if that anger never goes away? What if you cannot even watch television or movies anymore because you are sick of being reminded of all the Blue Pill programming, etc…. you see the code of the matrix everywhere and it makes you sick to your stomach? What if the governmental power plays of the feminine imperative backed up by the misguided white knights of law enforcement and SJW interventions just… Read more »

Roused
Roused
4 years ago

“For a man to have relationship game, he needs both sales and maintenance skills.” Interesting and a lot of truth to that. Yesterday my son and I took a day road trip and we had a red pill “lite” discussion. We had been discussing another red pill friend of mine and how he is fearless with cold approach and how important social skills are. My son flat out said he does’t have that sales skillset and that it makes him feels inhibited in some social settings. It was a good, honest reveal on his part. I shared with him how… Read more »

yahok.com
yahok.com
4 years ago

On top of all you say, RT, I would add: the Internet is introducing epoch-shifting changes in ghe social environment – thus in intersex relational dynamics. Hypergamy with hundreds/thousands males that are, or appear to your innate narcissism, “within reach” is a kettle altogether different than hypergamy in the pre-Internet age. Technology proceeds much faster than the brain (or mind). If you sign up on an online dating site, you will see what things have come to (to the infinity of apparently available males, add the show-him-your-might your-right-is-to-lord-it-over-men non-stop training streaming at girls and womrn minds from every direction). 85… Read more »

Y T
Y T
4 years ago

@Jonathan Ellis

Do you think it’s “just happening”, or is part of a socio-political plot (say, to completely undo the institution of family, or whatever other goal).

This hate-men non-stop training is too insistent, too crafty, too “from all sides” to be just “the times” I think.
It’s everywhere. Advertisememt, Hollywood, TV series, magazines, newspapers, politics,… women are being taught that if they don’t subjugate a man that reflects miserly on her worth — indirectly and insistently taught, of course.

theasdgamer
4 years ago

Yesterday my son and I took a day road trip and we had a red pill “lite” discussion. Have you discussed “The 48 Laws of Power” with him? There’s one that will help him–specificially, “Play the Courtier”. There’s one aspect of playing the courtier that will help him become a natural–bring pleasure to people. Do it in a spirit of generosity, as if you are a lord doling out favors–not as a bootlicking simp seeking to be liked. That should help him, especially if he has had some acting experience. Brainstorm! If you are introverted or shy (i.e., too much… Read more »

kfg
kfg
4 years ago

Politics can only leverage tendencies that are already there. TRM is about identifying and understanding those tendencies.

theasdgamer
4 years ago

Politics can only leverage tendencies that are already there.

Alinsky blew that idea to smithereens. MSU is the name of the game now.

O.B.I.T.
O.B.I.T.
4 years ago

@Palmasailor
Just want to underscore your point — asking open-ended questions will help you talk to anyone anywhere. How, Why, When etc get people talking to build rapport and see what makes them tick. It’s certainly a key to interviewing or sales. (Throw in a closed-end question when you need to stop the interviewee’s train of thought and get them to refocus)

SJB
SJB
4 years ago

The Red Pill is an Antidote to the Universality of Human Foolishness.

The first step in avoiding a trap is to know of its existence.
-Frank Herbert

Jonas
Jonas
4 years ago

I had this experience when girl whom i liked and helped, decided to reward situational cocky alpha instead of former blue me. When i was working my ass off during this festival and suddenly saw her making out with this guy, my blood boiled and i stormed out to my dorm with only t-shirt in the middle of december. It literally shook my foundation whenever my actions were the right ones (not to mention i was a intellectual blue pill guy back in school) and because of that i reached red pill (or atleast i think i do). I find… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
4 years ago

Jonas
(self-diagnosed depression)

You probably don’t have the knowledge base to self diagnose.

Stick around, read more of Rollo’s articles. Don’t take anything any man here writes too personally. Lots to learn, sometimes you may feel as if you are drinking from a fire hose, though.

First up:
There’s no such thing as a red pill incel. Not possible. “InCel” means involuntarily celibate. A man who truly sees clearly might well choose to be celibate, by his own volition, but that is not incel.

The first step to wisdom is to call things by their right names.

Jay Fink
Jay Fink
4 years ago

I like this blog even if I didn’t think I was red pill. After reading the messages from the guy who got dumped I realize I am a lot more red pill (or less blue pill) than I thought I was. I cringed reading his pleads and easily understand why it won’t work and will only backfire. I also realize I have never been like that guy. I recall an extreme example in my college dorm over 30 years ago. A guy got dumped by his girlfriend and hung himself in the closet. While I felt bad I couldn’t understand… Read more »

Hub D
4 years ago

Looks like it’s time to cut the blue pill world and take advantage of geoarbitrage.
http://www.cryptogeography.com/geoarbitrage-cryptocurrency-5-good-countries-live-cheaper-better/

SJF
SJF
4 years ago

@Roused, PalmaSailor “Then remember he has two ears and one mouth. They need to be used in that ratio.” “You need to open the target up and give them road to run and shut the fuck up.” I suppose. Open the target by listening is one thing, but then there is the sales job. That often involves: Telling Stories Facts Tell, Stories Sell… https://youtu.be/E6Csz_hvXzw There’s all these RSD and game videos that would start with How to not run out of things to say. If you Google search: “How to not run out of things to say”, you get 800… Read more »

Ron
Ron
4 years ago

Red Pill scene talks a lot about how to not be Beta, more less by STOPPING doing Beta things. But I can not find much about how to be Alpha. Looks like all Red Pill guys really avoid this topic. eg. MGTOW are not Beta (the don’t look like beta) only because they don’t do Beta things, even more, they don’t do anything in case it could be beta. “I did not lose any battle”, sure, but only because you were to afraid to go in any fight. And Red Pill men, they avoid answering the question how to be… Read more »

Jonas
Jonas
4 years ago

@Legendary Escher

26 next month

Chump No More
Chump No More
4 years ago

@Ron Alpha & Beta behaviors are nothing more than an expression of your Mental Point of Origin. Alpha is being your MPoO, operating within a frame of prioritizing your best interests, while internalizing and embracing abundance. @Rollo sums it up pretty well in ‘The Myth of the Good Guy’… “There is no Alpha with a side of Beta, there is only the man who’s genuine concern is first for himself, the man who prepares and provisions for himself, the man who maintains Frame to the point of arrogance because that’s who he is and what he genuinely merits. There is… Read more »

kfg
kfg
4 years ago

Intersectional quantum physics:

https://www.thecollegefix.com/post/32830/

Incubus_Rising
Incubus_Rising
4 years ago

So I am watching this RSD video about BPD and 52 minutes in Owen says he believes that BPD is not a psychological disorder … it is “demonic possession”.

Once their PUA and Self Help stuff stops making money, Father Owen will start teaching Blue Pilled guys “exorcism” to save their BPD Oneitis from “demonic possession”.

Another 36 minutes to go. I don’t know why I do this to myself.

Incubus_Rising
Incubus_Rising
4 years ago

At the end of the video 85 minutes in Owen says after learning all this read “Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus” that teaches beta male stuff, becuase that is important for relationships.

Nice !!

Incubus_Rising
Incubus_Rising
4 years ago

RSD in their latest program “Get Me A Girlfriend” are selling the “Quality Woman” dream to Blue pilled shlubs.

Old Silver
Old Silver
4 years ago

I would propose that besides social conditioning, there might be genetic variance at play how, if at all, man is able to see his mistakes. For example it has been shown that similar species of vole (mountain and prairie) radically differs in regard of pairbonding: “In the male prairie vole, the gene for the vasopressin receptor has a longer segment, as opposed to the montane vole, which has a smaller segment. This segment is longer in other bonding animals (such as humans and shorter in other nonbonding animals (such as chimpanzees).” If red pill teachings is unacceptable to man only… Read more »

j
j
4 years ago

“heavy edited and cut just before the guy was blown out. Basically what RSD shows looks very sexy but is not a real life. RSD’s aim is to sell their products, boot camps etc and is not to teach others enough so they can do it by themselves.” – https://alfanl.com/2017/01/07/rsds-purple-pill-one-last-time/ RSD game described by a poster on another forum: “All you are doing there is capitalizing on a girl who is already at a mild level of emotional stimulation and sexual arousal either due to your looks (you’re her type looks-wise) or due to the environment she’s in (she’s had… Read more »

kfg
kfg
4 years ago

@Old Silver:

Anonymous Conservative has written a book on that:

https://www.amazon.com/Evolutionary-Psychology-Behind-Politics-Conservatism/dp/0982947933

j
j
4 years ago

@Incubus “beta male stuff, becuase that is important for relationships.” Isn’t it though? I mean I wouldn’t know cause I’ve never been in a serious relationship with a chick, but aren’t all these provider/beta behaviors (shit you’d never do with fuckbuddies) part of being in a relationship? – Daily texting – Seeing her more than once a week – Spending many days in a row with her – Meeting her parents, or her meeting yours – Romantic gifts (roses, chocolates, etc) – Trips, where you both go away for several days and you pay for all of it or most… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
4 years ago

Jay Fink
I recall an extreme example in my college dorm over 30 years ago. A guy got dumped by his girlfriend and hung himself in the closet.

Keeping men from doing seriously bad stuff like that is a big reason Rollo keeps on writing.
It’s one reason that some of us are still here. Because no man should ever harm himself due to some silly girl.

foxguy148
foxguy148
4 years ago

Reading the local newspaper this morning, the front page story was about a new woman principal in the local elementary school district, it had a front page story with the woman’s family, two kids , herself and her husband. Immediately upon looking at the picture I knew something was off, the husband was looking very beta, bad body language as well as the two boy kids, the woman still looks pretty good a buxom blonde dressed nicely with good body language. I kept reading the story and sure enough, the kid’s are not the guys and she divorced around 8… Read more »

Son_of_mallam
Son_of_mallam
4 years ago

Great post Rollo! I related with all that was written in this post, and its true–seeing such exchange makes one want to throw up. I started using twitter like two months back, and the main reason I open an account is in order to catch a break from facebook–so I thought it will be a good idea to follow only people I could lean from. I start with my favorite rappers/singers, then people I share the same religion with and lastly The Red Pill. I knew you where on twitter so I Quickly searched. But then I start getting recommendation,… Read more »

SJF
SJF
4 years ago

@ Ron I’m not entirely sure what you are saying or asking for in your comment. Partly because of your poor paragraph structures. But I’m going to comment about it. The Red Pill as an awareness of how inter-sexual dynamics developed to some degreee out of the Manosphere. The manosphere developed out of the Pick-Up community. The pick up community informed the Red Pill. There was a lot more plain and simple manosphere stuff back 6 years ago. Now there is a lot more confused, non-naturals coming on board asking questions and so things are more cluttered. If you are… Read more »

theasdgamer
4 years ago

I’ve been married 35+ years…I’ll check and see what I do on it (N for no, Y for yes, O for obviously) – Daily texting N – Seeing her more than once a week O – Spending many days in a row with her O – Meeting her parents, or her meeting yours O – Romantic gifts (roses, chocolates, etc) N – Trips, where you both go away for several days and you pay for all of it or most of it N – Telling her you love her. N — wife reaches for my dick several times a day… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

Aggressive seagulls stealing my damn curly fries. Imo, thinking that there’s a list of shit men should avoid doing is just a little silly, but I do understand the sentiment behind the thought. Blue pill dudes think following a script of sorts will win them accolades and sex and affection. The motivation is fatally flawed. Once you’ve cemented your mpoo, and you’ve internalized comfort in your masculinity, you can do whatever the he’ll you want to do. It’s quite liberating and you won’t have to think so much. Technically, I operate from the old set of books for the most… Read more »

rugby11
4 years ago

“The caveat is that it’s incumbent upon me to understand who I’m dealing with in the first place.

This is very important.

This is a skill.

This, is Game.”
That’s heathy parenting

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