The Reconstruction III

 

I added this video today to illustrate a point, watch it carefully and with a Red Pill Lens. In this post-sexual revolution 2017 there is a strong want for the fulfillment of what I call the Old Books socio-sexual model goals. I’ll be impressed if you can stomach even half of the boilerplate ‘Man Up’ message in this video, but watch it carefully because it illustrates the dichotomy of a social order that’s been founded on feminine-primacy for over six decades now.

On a side note, I think it should be recognized that even ostensibly conservative thought leaders often toe the line for the Feminine Imperative more effectively than the progressives they attempt to disparage. I’m not going to riff on this video as I think most of my readers will understand the subtext being communicated here, but it’s an interesting exposé of the old books expectation of “doing the right thing”. Granted, it’s the same message of shaming men for exactly what I covered in Are You Experienced?  Only this time the shame for men comes from another man (we’re supposed to respect?) while he attempts to sell the same message that Sheryl Sandberg does in Open Hypergamy,… Be like Ward Cleaver (he’s a stud) and in time, nothing’s sexier.

When we consider that western cultures have consolidated on feminine social primacy, and a women’s-needs-first way of interpreting any social dynamic, things get a bit easier when you distill the intent down from a social scale to a personal scale. What’s being related in this video is the desire to socially, culturally, change the definition of what should be considered “sexy” by women in spite of all evolved arousal and attraction cues they’re subject to. The presumption this is based upon is that attraction is a social construct and therefor something that can be changed.

If a man does everything by the book, if he does everything right, if he accepts the responsibilities feminine-primacy expects of him, he can be considered an adult, and he can assume his chances of being considered ‘sexy’ by women and certainly his own wife.  In so accepting this definition of his burden of performance women will appreciate the equity he accrues in the relationship by investing himself in it.

From a Red Pill perspective we see this for what it is, the old books social contract that is still being sold to a generation of men who increasingly are seeing it for the life-changing lie it is. However, I’ll have you note the final summation of the video where men are encouraged to see adulthood as getting married, becoming a father and working hard to buy a home. I could argue that there are no June Cleavers left in the world or that getting married is a high-risk, low yield gamble. I could argue that becoming a father only makes a man fall in line with the ridiculous or hated caricature popular culture has made of them. I won’t even start on the risks of the housing market.

For all of this, the desire is still a return to a social contract wherein men are conditioned to believe that they will be rewarded for doing everything right. That old school notion has become the Beta bait of the past 3 generations.

As I mentioned in the last installment of this series, most men who are ‘awakened while married’ want to apply their Red Pill awareness in such a way that they might achieve this idyllic state that the guy in this video assures us is possible if we’d all just Man Up. Most married Red Pill (MRP) men are looking to save their marriages. They see it as a key to getting a woman to appreciate his investment in her, in their kids, in his marriage, his dedication to ‘doing everything the right way’,

Much in the same way that single Red Pill guys will (initially) focus on Red Pill awareness and Game in order to eventually connect with their Dream Girls, so too does the MRP guy. The difference being that he’s convinced he’s already married to his dream girl and the only thing between him and that ideal life with her is finding the formula to achieve the life-plan this video elaborates.

As I said before, most married men’s first intent when they unplug isn’t to divorce their wives, hit the clubs and spin plates. His first thought is “how do I get her to come around to appreciating me?” or “How do I get back to the kind of sex we had (or I think we could)?” I think it’s important for men, both Red Pill singles and MRP to disabuse themselves of the Blue Pill goals they think might ever be achievable with Red Pill awareness. I say this because it put that awareness into the perception of it being a cure to their problems. While it may seem noble to a newly unplugged guy to want to use his new superpower of Red Pill awareness for good (not for evil) and valiantly use it to do the right thing for his wife, his desire to do so is still founded in a Blue Pill conditioning that’s taught him he’ll be appreciated for it.

It may be that his new Alpha impression on his wife isn’t something she will ever recognize or accept as ‘the real him’. And while this frustration plays out in his marriage, he also sees the positive responses from women outside his marriage – women unfamiliar with his Beta past – who readily respond to the Game he applies. That new positive reinforcement with outside women contends with his wife’s negative reinforcement inside his marriage.

The following quote was part of a comment from ollieoxenfree in last week’s thread:

Who sees you as a viable long term option and is eager to please (in fact has pleased on many occasions) but is aware you may never reciprocate in kind. Will he waste his best years coveting something he may never have? Wouldn’t it be better to entertain a slightly lesser, suitor and be their top priority?

If a wife can no longer give of herself, does she still see fit to demand the level of investment as when she did? Can a man still appreciate the tacit approval his wife offers him, in not questioning his whereabouts when he’s engaged in an extramarital affair. Does she show affection and support in other ways?
The truth is most women under the influence of the Feminine Imperative don’t support their partners, nor cultivate an understanding with them in regards to the limits of their sexual capacity.

Men, for their part, like to think sexual intercourse with their partners, will always be available, given time and circumstance. The reality is, it isn’t.
Our biologies weren’t meant to tolerate these conditions. Especially with a woman who will constantly shit test you and emasculate you, in every conceivable way she can divine.

A woman will invariably condemn you for your weakness, but expect understanding for hers.

Common Experiences

There is a school of thought about being Red Pill and married that believes that getting a wife (or LTR girlfriend) to accept the ‘new you’ as being impossible. Things may nominally improve due to Dread working, but your new Red Pill marriage will never be what you want it to be because you have improved, she hasn’t and she never wanted you this way in the first place.

I don’t accept this assessment in its entirety, however I do see where this sentiment comes from. Most men who are awakened while married are men who followed the same script as the men I illustrate in Betas in Waiting. These are the men who have ‘done everything right’ for the better part of their lives. They cultivated themselves to be the perfect providers that Sheryl Sandberg would have women believe will be waiting for them when their looks begin to fade and it’s time to cash out of the SMP. These are the men who believe their hard work and perseverance is finally paying off with a women who now find him irresistible because he represents their salvation in long term security and parental investment.

Most women entering their Epiphany Phase are expressly looking for a Beta to take care of them now that the Party Years are coming to an end for her. They’re (ostensibly) done with the Bad Boys (something they had to ‘grow out of’) and now want to do things ‘the right way’. This, of course, suits a Beta in Waiting just fine because his Blue Pill conditioning has prepared him by expecting him to ‘do things the right way’ and to believe any woman wanting to do the same must be a Quality Woman.

These men believe their ship has finally come in, but because of this these men are often the most difficult to unplug. They have the hardest time with Red Pill awareness because in accepting it they must also accept that what led up to their marriage to that Quality Woman was also a result of their Blue Pill conditioning. A lot of their ego is invested in Beta Game and Blue Pill convictions, but also a forced-convincing of themselves that they did everything right and were rewarded for it.

This is why it’s a bitter pill to swallow when that guy’s wife drip-feeds him sex, or he discovers her sexual best was reserved for another man in her past, or she tells him she loves him, but she’s not in love with him. Even in the face of outright disrespect or his Beta confirmations of failed shit tests, he’ll still refuse to acknowledge his state. Often it’s only prolonged sexlessness (and even this is rationalized for a long time) that motivates him to seek the answers of Red Pill awareness.

The Beta in Waiting never had Frame before or during his marriage. In fact, it was just that lack of Frame that made him marriage material for his wife. He was never “Alpha” for her, and in his equalist mindset he believed this was what set him apart and attractive then.

So going from this very strong Beta initial impression to an Alpha position of dominance can be all but impossible – particularly if his self-confirmed status was that of being a proud Beta.

There are other men who’ll report having had an Alpha status prior to their marriage, but they lost it somewhere along the way. They were the Alpha backsliders who possibly entered into the marriage with a dominant Frame, but this dissolved as his wife’s Frame or insecurities about him came to dominate their relationship. I think this is likely the scenario that provides the most believability when a man becomes awakened while married, because it is a return to a prior impression (or one his wife had hoped he’d find) and therefor more believable when he does.

The ‘tamed’ Alphas are also the guys with wives who’ll try to actively minimize his Red Pill transformation. Their wives are simultaneously aroused by this rekindling of his Alpha dominance and fearful that he will come to see her as the failed investment she likely is for him. That may or may not be the actual case for him, but for her it will prompt possessiveness, surveillance and a control over how he’s allowed to ‘appropriately’ express this dominance – which in turn disqualifies it.

In the last installment of this series I will outline some ways in which a Red Pill man might go about internalizing this transformation, how that might manifest itself in an authentic way, and also the pitfalls to be aware of that can stifle it.

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kfg
kfg
9 years ago

“Identify problem areas”

Oh, yeah, like that’ll work.

scribblerg
scribblerg
9 years ago

Maybe we need some YaReally around here after all… @Blax and others claiming that men who find 18-25yo the most sexually attractive are somehow off and missing something: This isn’t some gossip site where you pass your fave recipes around and BS and we all fluff you. This is a site dedicated to empiricism and praxeology based on evidence. And the evidence is in – and has been for a long time. Many, many studies of what attracts men and women have been done. From blood flow changes to galvanic skin response, eye changes and a zillion other things –… Read more »

Yollo Comanche
Yollo Comanche
9 years ago

@Agent P

Does “Not being born filthy rich” count as a problem area?

How about “not being able to get anyone who is dressed nicer than you to admit to any weaknesses you can exploit to derail their ascent and make friends in the process”?

Does “not being able to shit gold nuggets” count as a problem area?

scribblerg
scribblerg
9 years ago

errors—-“Genie” and of course i ask if you’d rather glaze Christine up like a donut vs. a 44yo…

scribblerg
scribblerg
9 years ago

@Yollo – I remember when I finally got ‘game’ and saw myself as perfectly worthy of any woman I wanted. I said, “I shit gold nuggets”…Oh yeah, in some ways, that’s all that game is. Or better said, is the starting point of all game – feeling entitled to pussy and acting on it, and not being afraid of being seen that way. If more men could do just that, they’d get huge gains. Of course, technique and everything else matters – and I’m no master at all. But technique reflects a POV and in a way, you practice technique… Read more »

kfg
kfg
9 years ago

@Yollo Comanche:

I believe those would fall under “Identify what is realistic.”

kfg
kfg
9 years ago

“If more men could do just that, they’d get huge gains.”

The manic pursue impossible dreams.

The depressive refuse to pursue dreams that are “impossible,” even though they are the ordinary lives of tens of thousands of people.

Reality cuts both ways.

Yollo Comanche
Yollo Comanche
9 years ago

@scribblerg I was joking, but It’s good to see you so sure of yourself and happy to point out the not-so-obvious. Not to knock Agent P. But many times I’ve vomited up the Red Pill by trying to “avoid negative mindsets” only to come full circle again and realize something to the effect of “by order of degrees, it’s up to ME to manage what other will or wont do with my time and energy.” It’s not negative. I get really negative when people talk about avoiding negativity. It’s NOT pretty. Why act like it is? I know the answer… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
9 years ago

@ My bro scrub Studies say a lot of stuff. Personally I chose not to take them that seriously because I can think for myself, and being that guys in the sphere have pointed to numerous ” studies ” about, say…black males ( and the LOVE doing iit too ), I can comfortably give zero shits. Not arguing, just stating my position. Again, I’m a huge fan of guys liking whatever they find attractive. Ya and stray were not experts in life or women. Let’s not get ahead of ourselves. Lol. They were good at picking up particular women,, and… Read more »

scribblerg
scribblerg
9 years ago

@Blax – So try ignoring “studies” next time you configure an SD-WAN or storage – oh wait, you rely on the behavior of electrons discovered in “studies” all the time to do shit. But here, you just set them aside. Cool, do it, just don’t expect to be taken seriously by other men here trying to have a dialog based on actual evidence and real science. And of course you are arguing for the validity of your position, but it has none. I don’t care that much as I can tell that you are fine where you are. But as… Read more »

Agent P
Agent P
9 years ago

@yollo Glad I could stir the pot a bit. Vomiting up pill due to avoiding negative mindsets….I don;t myself see CBT as “avoiding negative mindsets, seems to be about ascribing reality to…reality more than anything and not letting your feelings get the better of you. Which sounds a shade like RP one way or the other. I personally don;t care to re-open the “power of positive thinking woo woo” debate. I think CBT rooted in RP might be good for guys unplugging, as long as they keep reading and learning, to help them rewire their shit and more importantly get… Read more »

scribblerg
scribblerg
9 years ago

Blax – Try and get this, Beyonce isn’t a sex symbol to many of us. And since her politics have been revealed as so leftist, and the way she’s pushed at me as something I’m supposed to like, I now lean towards shitting on that past-it cunt. I wouldn’t fuck her with a beer bottle. I’d rather fuck Rollo in his ass than Beyonce’s cavernous, dank pussy. She’s a cultural enemy. She’s talented for sure, and before she became a big-mouthed political moron, I had no issue with her. Still didn’t find her sexy in the past 10 years. But… Read more »

Yollo Comanche
Yollo Comanche
9 years ago

Cool ass niggas….

kfg
kfg
9 years ago

Good:

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Blaximus
Blaximus
9 years ago

OK scrib, let’s just drop it already. No need to revert to firing shots.

insanitybytes22
9 years ago

My husband does not like younger women. He did not even like me when I was 20, vain, shallow, self absorbed, completely unaware. He is only six years older than me, but I still could not understand his stupid cultural references, could not relate to anything he was saying. He has since raised 3 girls,lived through the teens and 20’s, so that is more like a never again. He is done with young girls. I watch him, there is no attraction there. 35-40 he likes, I have seen him look at those women. I too am not attracted to younger… Read more »

Yollo Comanche
Yollo Comanche
9 years ago

If you guys don’t know who Adriana Lima is then I can understand why you give a damn who Beyonce is…..or Kate Beckinsale for that matter.

Blaximus
Blaximus
9 years ago

Man…. Fucking manosphere. Lol… I guess.

kfg
kfg
9 years ago

” . . . Adriana Lima is . . .”

. . . some old broad.

scribblerg
scribblerg
9 years ago

@Blax – These “facts” are for other men here, not you. Some data on middle aged women and mental illness: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/news/4360096/Middle-aged-women-suffering-most-from-mental-health-problems.html http://www.medicaldaily.com/midlife-crisis-why-middle-aged-women-have-highest-rate-depression-313082 http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2016/10/09/497087838/does-some-birth-control-raise-depression-risk-thats-complicated Found an article recently which shows how sperm helps women fight depression. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2190863/Semen-good-womens-health-helps-fight-depression.html Great write up on the social, mental and behavioral pathologies of women between 35-60. They are more likely to be addicts, and have many other issues. Every guy here should read this one, it goes very deep on how very fucked up today’s western, middle aged women is. http://www.carolinemiller.com/whats-wrong-with-middle-aged-women/ I should correct my language a bit. When I say “crazy”, I mean unhappy and… Read more »

scribblerg
scribblerg
9 years ago

@Blax – When we rename it the “Blaximus-sphere” I’ll let you know, until then…

DisgruntledEarthling
DisgruntledEarthling
9 years ago

I agree, older women are smellier, perhaps its a few decades of microbiota in their innards fermenting or something like that. Perhaps all the contributions of various men over the years changing her internal biome (This shit is real, look it up). Perhaps we need to do an experiment smell testing virgins of different ages as a control group.

I did make a point of smelling/sniffing the 52-yo I was with yesterday and she wasn’t that bad… of course, I’ve never had a 22yo for comparison… 🙁

kfg
kfg
9 years ago

@IB: “He did not even like me when I was 20 . . .”

For once, I believe you.

” . . . vain, shallow, self absorbed, completely unaware.”

Yep, sounds like you alrighty.

Yollo Comanche
Yollo Comanche
9 years ago

@kfg

Barbara Eden is older…..

scribblerg
scribblerg
9 years ago

@Disgruntled – Go smell a young woman’s pussy just before ovulation, I’ve had a young one whose pussy smelled like flowers during that time of the month, no shit. And of course, an older woman can keep herself clean and smelling okay. I smell worse than I did when I was 23 too. The difference is that pointing this out doesn’t make me cry. Part of why I say it so plainly here is because I know some old broads like IB and her fans are here and when they hear this said it makes them lose their minds. You… Read more »

scribblerg
scribblerg
9 years ago

Re: IB – So she got a pre-selected Beta-Cuck, no wonder she’s here trying to get some tingles.

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
9 years ago

“…you are wrong to try to make a blanket statement about what men desire.”

Your husband is either/and:

Lying to you and fears your reaction.

Lying to himself and you by doing the FI heavy lifting.

IDoJ: The first TV show that made sense to me. Jeannie: “Thou hast set me free. That means that I am free to please thee. And I am going to please thee very much.”

kfg
kfg
9 years ago

“Barbara Eden is older…..”

And now, she is even older still.

In 10 years a 24 year old will be 34.
In 10 years a 44 year old will be 54.

How long do you intend to keep them around?

My own personal limit so far is 29 1/2. For the past 25 years, 24. Not because of any rule, it just worked out that way, because it could.

insanitybytes22
9 years ago

“Your husband is either/and: Lying to you and fears your reaction. Lying to himself and you by doing the FI heavy lifting.”

He is not. What quirk of male solipsism would try to tell a man what he can and cannot find attractive? Men actually have individual preferences,and women too. That’s what feminists try to do,they demand men conform to what they believe is acceptable, so morbidly obese or a 6′ tall transvestite, you better call that attractive or else. Don’t try to do the same thing, it’s ugly and foolish.

scribblerg
scribblerg
9 years ago

“Oceans8” lol. They don’t get it. Never will. With Rihanna, lol. That’s gonna be great, giggling. Of course the pic you shared says it all – all attitude and aesthetics. It will be a millimeter deep. Whereas the Oceans movies, particularly the original, were character studies as well as action pix. Don’t see many character studies on women these days, he he. Wonder why that is?

Yollo Comanche
Yollo Comanche
9 years ago

@Rugby

Have you seen La La Land? Man what a fabulous display of star-studded brain-washing.

scribblerg
scribblerg
9 years ago

@IB – Did you sniff yourself while reading here today?

Agent P
Agent P
9 years ago

“My husband does not like younger women”

That was the kind of hamster speak I used to spout pre-RP. Yeah, carrying water for the FI when you self censor, especially so much that you start to believe the shit coming out of your mouth.

Even then my wife would look at me like, “Are you fucking kidding me? Of course you want to fuck that chick”. Talk about a lack of congruence.

I knew I was lying, she knew I was lying, why does IB not get that her hubby is lying? Right denial, as you were.

Yollo Comanche
Yollo Comanche
9 years ago

@Agent P

“I knew I was lying, she knew I was lying, why does IB not get that her hubby is lying? Right denial, as you were.”

Just because he doesn’t like younger women doesn’t mean he wouldn’t fuck them. Ah fuck. This was meant for IB wasn’t it?

insanitybytes22
9 years ago

“I knew I was lying, she knew I was lying, why does IB not get that her hubby is lying? Right denial, as you were.”

Nope. I’ve been observing the man in his natural habitat for 30 years now. He’s not lying. Neither are all the other men who just don’t find 20-30 yr olds attractive.

Agent P
Agent P
9 years ago

@IB
If you are there observing him, It’s not HIS natural habitat.

As for all those others, where did you find them, the church?

What were you saying about solipsism?

Sentient
Sentient
9 years ago

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Always liked Hagman in the early years…

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rugby11
9 years ago

Genuine desire is not negotiable.
http://mikesouth.com/memory-lane/
Dosn’t mean it isn’t playful.
https://youtu.be/w9QndmUTAUw?list=PLYcgtf-ag-xnB2HJWGINFOGHtC8-L9hoS
It’s always Christmas in texas…
Yollo Comanche
https://youtu.be/DhDtuy-YG74

rugby11
9 years ago

scribblerg
https://twitter.com/RickRubin/status/436917736136900608
Happy birthday in cased i missed it

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
9 years ago

Flip the script.

All else equal, what woman wouldn’t want the best looking man she could get? The guy who never seems to age, whilst the wife’s looks tumble?

I don’t think much about the women around here, their attractiveness. It doesn’t help that the FI deceives them, excusing obesity, slouchy attire, GoGrrl comportment. They ain’t happy here. Those who marry quickly assume the defeminizing process of hair-cutting, waist widening. FI convention goo has set long ago for those couples.

Arguing phony exceptions as rules is specious.

scribblerg
scribblerg
9 years ago

Upthread the distinction between arousal and attraction was made and it helps with this discussion. The many studies done look at “arousal” – but that’s what we are reacting to when we meet someone we find “attractive”. Who you choose to fuck or date or hang out with or marry of course is driven by many other factors. But in terms of who men find sexually arousing, there is no debate. I have found that someone can become a bit more or less attractive as I get to know them, but arousal is autonomic. There is no choice, it happens… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
9 years ago

@ Eh

” don’t think much about the women around here, their attractiveness. It doesn’t help that the FI deceives them, excusing obesity, slouchy attire, GoGrrl comportment. They ain’t happy here. Those who marry quickly assume the defeminizing process of hair-cutting, waist widening. FI convention goo has set long ago for those couples. ”

Do you think that these women, cutting hair and all that, represent a majority somehow?

Blaximus
Blaximus
9 years ago

@ kfg

” My own personal limit so far is 29 1/2. For the past 25 years, 24. Not because of any rule, it just worked out that way, because it could.”

This^^^

That’s my point in it’s entirety. No establishment or enforcement of arbitrary ” rules “, just do what you want.

scribblerg
scribblerg
9 years ago

Jesus, Blax, you are being such a putz. I’m not saying there are “rules” – I’m starting to see why Scray and Ya went to town on you. This passive-aggressive BS is pure female nonsense.

kfg
kfg
9 years ago

“No establishment or enforcement of arbitrary ” rules “, just do what you want.”

Right, but pursuant to Rollo’s point I can do what I want, because I can do what I want.

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
9 years ago

Yes. We’re not to comment on any personal grooming issues, physical appearances OTJ. The desexualized uniforms add to the loss of femininity. The impetus to maintain their competitive edge pre-marriage and post-marriage has waned, and how. In the last 5 years women are tremendously fatter, unkempt. The whole sweatpants thing, all day long, and if they’re out, meager attempts to impress. Sad, as the young ones have potential. The area I live allows for dumpier lifestyles vis-a-vis urban/trendier locales. That doesn’t help the dearth of feminine standards either.

Sentient
Sentient
9 years ago
Sentient
Sentient
9 years ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AF9cqjNt9uc

Alfie on kids…

rugby11
9 years ago

Politics and the red pill
https://twitter.com/RoguePOTUSStaff

Agent P
Agent P
9 years ago

“The area I live allows for dumpier lifestyles vis-a-vis urban/trendier locales.” I admit this is the thing that got me out of a rut and back to working out etc. My office is off to one side of our City, not quite suburbs but not urban. My house is close by, a short walk is my commute. I had a tendency to retreat to that part of the world and only head out to client meetings and socials downtown. One day last summer I was downtown in the central business district, the financial district in particular and it brought into… Read more »

Novaseeker
Novaseeker
9 years ago

Do you think that these women, cutting hair and all that, represent a majority somehow? This, I think, varies by where you are located. Women tend to keep up with the female herd standard in their locale, and this tends to mean the more urban(ish)/upscale(ish) you go, the more the standards are upped. Here in DC metro, the people above a certain payscale (which is a social proxy) tend to be very in-shape and toned (not like fitness models, but well above average for their ages nationally). It doesn’t mean that people are better looking genetically (this shows up in… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
9 years ago

https://youtu.be/SzQTF–oQ-U

Alfie v. Beta

1966

rugby11
9 years ago

Novaseeker “Clothes and jewellery should be startling, individual. When you see a woman in my clothes, you want to know more about them. To me, that is what distinguishes good designers from bad designers.” Alexander McQueen “It is not possible for a man to be elegant without a touch of femininity.” Vivienne Westwood “but to satisfy social and class markers and thresholds which demand that kind of “self-care” in order to be considered truly with it. This is true for men and women alike here, really, but slightly more true for women.” Self care and self respect seem to me… Read more »

insanitybytes22
9 years ago

“Funniest about IB is this. She must think she caught up to his standards/intelligence but in fact, he’s likely still way ahead of her. He probably just placates her, and makes sure the wine box isn’t on empty and goes about his days, longing for death. Fantasizing about it. Skipping his meds to hasten its arrival…” This was so nihiistic, it cheered me up immensely and made me laugh. Completely untrue. Not that anyone cares, but I am actually far more intelligent than my husband in the way we traditionally measure such things. However, he can lay a hardwood floor… Read more »

ollieoxenfree1
9 years ago

@Rollo

I owe you an apology. I had done a google search for ‘The Rational Male Mental Point of Origin’ but the search results turned up essays in which the term had been used.
Tonight I was listening to the Mark Baxter podcast and he specifically brought it up. I did another search and your article on the mental point of origin appeared.

@Agent P

Please disregard my post (you referred to). It was made in error and ignorance of what the mental point of origin is.

Lost Patrol
Lost Patrol
9 years ago

@Sentient

Michael Caine makes an interesting case study for this post. Quite apart from his role in Alfie, the man is enigmatic. He should not have been so popular as he was, as on the surface he did not have the chops at all; but women were always drawn to him, and men often liked him too even though they found him annoying. He was divorced once after a 4 year marriage in the 50’s, but has since been married to the same Guyanese woman for the last 44 years.

Rollo Tomassi
9 years ago

Men actually have individual preferences,and women too.

@IB, don’t read Dataclysm, it will irreparably destroy your Polyanna, ‘people are all unique snowflakes’ perspective of the world.

https://www.amazon.com/Dataclysm-When-Think-Ones-Looking/dp/0385347375/ref=tmm_hrd_title_0

Oh, what the hell,…
https://therationalmale.com/2014/10/13/validation-hunting-the-jenny-bahn-epiphany/

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Yes indeed, your husband must be a phenomenal, virtuous, outlier of a man not to desire younger women like so many men of EVERY age cohort. Truly he’s, “not like other guys.”

Rollo Tomassi
9 years ago

@ollie, for what?

SJF
SJF
9 years ago

You guys are killing me (in LOL kinda way). I could be a clone of of Michael Caine, attribute-wise. Funny how things are so clear outside the Matrix, with red pill awareness. Game on dudes. Have a balance between doing and being. Do your best to make your best legacy, but don’t hesitate to stop and enjoy how beautiful the natural world around you is (because it really is). I’m not going batty. My take on Scribblers latest comments is that they are a massive positive for him. He is being in the now for enjoying having done the work.… Read more »

SJF
SJF
9 years ago

with the ridiculously title of Intimate Communion changed to/substituted with: The Blaximus Way

insanitybytes22
9 years ago

“….it will irreparably destroy your Polyanna, ‘people are all unique snowflakes’ perspective of the world….” You never read the original Pollyanna before it was disney-fied, did you, Tomassi? Of course not, it’s not standard guy reading material. Well if you had, you would understand how maligned she has been, how false the unique snowflake meme in relation to Pollyanna really is. Pollyanna is actually the epitome of femininity, the real kind. “Yes indeed, your husband must be a phenomenal, virtuous, outlier of a man not to desire younger women like so many men of EVERY age cohort. Truly he’s, “not… Read more »

Rollo Tomassi
9 years ago

I post hard-data statistical analysis of men’s attractiveness preferences and I’m prescribing what they should find attractive?

Damn, I’m good. I gotta find a way to bottle this kind of influence.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
9 years ago

Bites
I don’t really know

Well, there’s something I did not expect to ever see.

SJF
SJF
9 years ago

“I’m not sure how we could really differentiate it. I mean, there’s some really unattractive 20 somethings in the world versus some very good looking 40 yr olds. Are men attracted more to an overweight, heavily tattooed bald woman simply because she’s 20? Or does desire for someone who more resembles a female trump that biology? I don’t really know. Regardless Tomassi, you’ve told me over and over again praxeology, not prescription,and yet here you guys are actually prescribing what kind of women, men “should” find desirable.” You are not qualifying yourself well to he crowd here Bytes. Those words… Read more »

kfg
kfg
9 years ago

“. . . praxeology, not prescription,and yet here you guys are actually prescribing what kind of women, men “should” find desirable.”

Balloons rise because if you drop something it will fall.

Novaseeker
Novaseeker
9 years ago

Self care and self respect seem to me to be the same thing… a process that integrates your self with your environment. Not being different with it as a standoff approach but being able to approach yourself within it. Over dressing is what can place you just where you need to be in order to work within the politics and social culture in the DC area. @Rugby — Yes, although the women here are not glamorous, imo, compared to women in other parts of the country and the world (Manhattan, LA (hi end), Miami (hi end), London, Paris, Tokyo, Moscow,… Read more »

SJF
SJF
9 years ago

Exhibit #2: “Women are awesome too, I enjoy a lot of what they write. Women do not ever fall down rabbit holes, they tend to bunny hop, bouncing from one idea to the next, gracefully hopping over all those rabbit holes that might trip them up. Women are not any better than men however, not when it comes to being healthy and well adjusted. You’ll be happily chatting away, look over, and suddenly she’s dressed like a giant pink taco while lecturing you about the importance of human dignity. Sigh. Yes, giant pink tacos are a real thing in my… Read more »

kfg
kfg
9 years ago

“And he did kind of look like a girl.” -SJF

And

“It is not possible for a man to be elegant without a touch of femininity.” -Vivienne Westwood

“Metrosexual” is a rather new word, but the phenomenon it describes is as old as history.

SJF
SJF
9 years ago

But when a woman goes all masculine in a male space without conceding one bit of femininity….Well, we all know how that goes down.

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
9 years ago

“I mean, there’s some really unattractive 20 somethings in the world versus some very good looking 40 yr olds. Are men attracted more to an overweight, heavily tattooed bald woman simply because she’s 20?”

Aw hell! Are these my choices? Well, I guess I’m back to hot hairy preggos. Where did I hide that link?

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
9 years ago

kfg
Balloons rise because if you drop something it will fall.

If you push something hard enough, it will fall over.

kfg
kfg
9 years ago

@AR:

We’ll be covering Fuddian mechanics next semester.

So, anyway, sometimes what appears to be an exception to a rule turns out to be a second order consequence of the rule. If you drop a balloon on the moon, for instance, it will fall, because the force making it fall isn’t strong enough to allow it to rise.

Wait a minute . . . didn’t Rollo say that on the other side of the thread?

thegreatermansite
9 years ago

Dear Rollo Tomassi, I just finished reading The Rational Male. As a 25 year old man, I struggled immensely with confidence, masculinity, self-image, etc. I once was an “AFC”, then later transformed into a high value man and became a person many women wanted. I had rotations of women, and exuded selectivity. Later on in life, I purposely cut off all the women in my life to see what effect it would have on myself and my life. It’s probably the greatest thing I’ve ever done. To have the mindset of abundance although sexually, you are living in scarcity is… Read more »

Culum Struan
Culum Struan
9 years ago

I’m not sure why you guys are arguing (Blax and Scribbs). Blax’s original message that Scribbs responded to was responding to my post about age and attractiveness and Kate Beckinsale. I took Blax to mean that as you get older your perceptions of what you find attractive gets broader and you don’t have rigid rules about “only women under 29” or whatever. You have the freedom to bang anyone you find attractive and that certainly includes 40+ women since attractive women in their 40s (obviously) exist. That said, I don’t think Blax is disputing that *on average* younger women are… Read more »

cheupez
9 years ago

“Are men attracted more to an overweight, heavily tattooed bald woman simply because she’s 20?”

Ya. Take that same woman when she is 40 yrs old and overweight, heavily tattooed and bald. See which version you like better.

cheupez
9 years ago

Hahahaaaa…

Scrib pussy never smelt like flowers. You must have been smoking something quite potent that day…or that girl was sick.

Pussy stinks; only it stinks gud.

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
9 years ago

“Do you think that these women, cutting hair and all that, represent a majority somehow?”

It’s official:

http://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2015/11/13/455883665/cdc-more-women-than-men-are-obese-in-america-and-gap-is-widening

Culture records a new low. Congratulations FI!

rugby11
9 years ago

thegreatermansite
Glad your here…

ollieoxenfree1
9 years ago

I sometimes think it’s too easy to say all women talk rubbish (especially in the manosphere). Sometimes we need to balance it out, while still keeping an open red pill ear. Here’s an example of a strong minded, independent woman talking about women, taking responsibility for themselves. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDe54Rjpcmc p.s. I respect the fact a woman may not want a relationship, for whatever reason. Just as I respect the fact a man shouldn’t feel pressured to commit to a woman who clearly isn’t right for him. Comments like ‘cat lady’ etc display a rank hypocrisy that does nothing for this sphere… Read more »

kfg
kfg
9 years ago

@ollieoxenfree:

Your concern has been noted.

ollieoxenfree1
9 years ago

@Kfg

You must have had a life once.

It couldn’t have been much. Judging from your time here.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
9 years ago

Ollie Here’s an example of a strong minded, independent woman talking about women, taking responsibility for themselves. Here’s an example of a confused woman who doesn’t know what attracts men. I respect the fact a woman may not want a relationship, for whatever reason. They all want a man, with the exception of lesbians (most of the time). The problem is they self-rank higher SMV than they really have all too often, until the Epiphany phase. Just as I respect the fact a man shouldn’t feel pressured to commit to a woman who clearly isn’t right for him. Sure, because… Read more »

insanitybytes22
9 years ago

“Damn, I’m good. I gotta find a way to bottle this kind of influence.” Tomassi, I keep trying to tell you, stop short of nothing but world domination. Here’s the cincher though, you can’t fence sit on your values and morals. You must embrace your so called biases, you must stop acting as if your red pill is just amoral, not prescriptive, so not your spiritual problem. Why? Because I hear a quiver in your voice when you speak, and when you write, an attempt to cover all your bases. Of course you have influence. Unfortunately some of that influence… Read more »

Yollo Comanche
Yollo Comanche
9 years ago

@insanity The reason he “covers his bases”, or rather takes a step to chew some of this food for you and others, if because he’s worldlier than you. Do you watch much T.V.? Or movies? I just saw LA LA Land. And in it the whole story is RICH people having lives, taking risks, “making it.” Why do they bother to make such a distinction? My brother tells me how in the Super Girl tv show as of late they’re trying hard to make the girl less of a Mary Sue. Coincidence? Rollo and his work are getting attention now.… Read more »

If-I-Fell
If-I-Fell
9 years ago

@ Novaseeker Re: The “Alpha female” discussion “The marriages and LTRs I have known who are the happiest seem to be ones where there is good polarity between the two, but also not where the wife is the de facto day to day lead. It may not be an express captain/first-officer relationship, but this is what it is de facto, even if the couple says outwardly that they are egalitarian. The wording doesn’t matter — what matters is what the couple actually *does* and how the relationship actually *works*. That format seems to be the one that works, de facto,… Read more »

Yollo Comanche
Yollo Comanche
9 years ago

You did it right by accident. When you gave her a chance to find you two a room and she pulled through she did it for YOU more than anything. And from the look of it you didn’t make her regret trying. Her making choices is her performing for you and relieving her stress by proving to herself that she’s useful to you. No defiance of Red Pill there.

insanitybytes22
9 years ago

“The reason he “covers his bases”, or rather takes a step to chew some of this food for you and others, if because he’s worldlier than you. Do you watch much T.V.? Or movies?”

I’m really going to have to get a bigger face palm.

rugby11
9 years ago

Dance rugby and life (show don’t tell)
https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/5r9za4/beware_male_shit_tests/

SJF
SJF
9 years ago

“I’m really going to have to get a bigger face palm.” And that’s your version of Frame control here? Good luck with that. All I’m hearing are your rusty breezes Pushing around your weather vane Jesus. In a background, at the start, is the sound of a loon. I’d prefer a man’s faith in himself. A mother’s faith in her son’s innocence. (A model that can’t be replicated by a woman other than a mother, so be it.) About any country and it’s faith in a man’s fallibility. And about women, just lying there, all her faith bleeding out into… Read more »

SJF
SJF
9 years ago

@Ollie You might have missed this: https://therationalmale.com/2015/03/13/bachelor-nation/ The original video was taken down, but it is called “Frustrated: Black American Men in Brazil – Why?” and you can search for background information about it. In a feminine-primary social order to be a ‘responsible’ man is to comply with dictates of women’s sexual strategy while accepting her dominant and counter-feminine role and demeanor. To be a ‘real man’ he must accept being relegated to being her dependent while still being expected to be a good father. To be an ‘adult’ he must accept the doctrines of equalism while still being beholden… Read more »

bloomfy
9 years ago

Whilst I may be pre-empting what Rollo will address in his third book, what would people think would be the one, most important factor an RP father could instill into his early teen daughter?

I’m cognisant that there may be many factors that should be considered, but interested in what people think would be the main one.

Agent P
Agent P
9 years ago

If you give it away it ain’t worth nothing

Or the more partners you have, the less happy you will be in the long run (science not conjecture)

Don’t be a feminist

Be feminine, it’s very fulfilling for women (the corollary to being a feminist)

If-I-Fell
If-I-Fell
9 years ago

@ SJF RE: Deida Doesn’t Deida’s polling women about what they want in a spiritual communion invalidate the process because he is listening to what women say and not what they do? He is ignoring the hindbrain dual nature of womens’ sexual strategy. Rollo has written that women will name all the noble traits they want in public; then fuck the hot guy at the foam canon party (someone has to enlighten me about what that is—never went on spring break.) Also, Deida’s stages sounds more like a religion. Doesn’t Scientology have a program where the adherent either advances or… Read more »

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
9 years ago

@ bloomfy

Agent P +1

Satisfaction is found serving her man, children, community with as trusted an Alpha she can find at the helm.

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
9 years ago

“…you must stop acting as if your red pill is just amoral, not prescriptive, so not your spiritual problem. ”

RP affords exercise of freewill, unencumbered by feminist distortion, cultural rot.

IMO RP promotes a stable spiritual development, beyond the confusing din of modern Christianity.

Scales from the eyes.

SJF
SJF
9 years ago

@If-I-Fell There may or may not be a Hawthorne Effect in polling girls about what virtues and traits they would prefer in an Alpha Seed Male. Women say and do things covertly all the time and it helps to open your eyes to them. But if you allow them, esp. these days with open Hypergamy, sometimes they just come out and say shit. (My wife is doing this quite a bit these days, esp. with the Trumpening). And you are conflating what women want in a beta bucks male to what they want in an alpha male. If you are… Read more »

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