Big Fish

It’s likely readers here have been following my twitter threads about the Anthony Bourdain suicide and I’ve been discussing the particulars about his death on Pat Campbell’s show and the Red Man Group for almost 2 weeks now. As readers know I’ve personally dealt with two suicides under circumstances  like this and I’ve picked apart dozens more over the years I’ve been writing. I’ve got a pretty good idea why old Beta guys off themselves.

But the Beta part is only one aspect of the story. Anthony being a ‘paper alpha’ is certainly an aspect too, but the more I dig into the background of the “love of his life”, Asia Argento, the more the puzzle pieces fit together. This bitch was a piece of work. If you watched the Red Man Group last Saturday I explained why I don’t think she was a BPD case (borderline personality disorder), but after reading this thread I’m beginning to change my mind:

So, she’s a witch. A literal witch, and all of her ‘sisterhood’ are witches are too. You can digest that however you feel is necessary, but this is a 42 year old woman who practices literal witchcraft – which is an extension of feminism with a pagan spiritual  woo woo magical thinking whipped into the mix. I really need to do a more expansive post on Chick Crack soon.

But, even this isn’t what I want to confront you with. What I want to raise your awareness to is something I’ve never really had an occasion to explore until now; Anthony Bourdain was a very big fish.

Anthony Bourdain (AB) was a long term, life-long, Beta. He was every bit of what I call a ‘terminal Beta‘. Yes, he had the Bad Boy thing working for him and if you want to get a more complete idea about his past Black Label Logic has a great piece on his blog you really ought to read. But, with respect to Bourdain’s understanding of intersexual dynamics he was very much a Beta.

People immediately gave me shit for naming him such. That was expected. He’s Anthony-fucking-Bourdain and I’m just some “half-assed self-published Red Pill writer, what the fuck do I know, right?” Well, I knew enough to recognize the profile of a Contextual Alpha who’d been plugged into his Blue Pill conditioning for 61 years and the huge mark he put on himself by being so publicly co-dependent on the idea of the soul mate myth. Anthony had been through 2 wives. The most recent one cheated on him with her MMA fighter / personal trainer he no doubt was paying to “train” his soon-to-be ex wife. I have no doubt AB would’ve attempted to lock down Asia Argento because this is what overly possessive, perpetually mate guarding Beta men do when a woman approaches his “dream girl” ideal. His social media was rife with declarations about how happy he was to have finally met his ‘kindred spirit’ soul mate (and self-avowed Wiccan) Asia Argento. AB sincerely believed his ship had come in. The woman who would finally complete him (this time) was at last in his life.

In every Instagram image, every Tweet, AB was gushing about how he’d never been happier as he cuddled with Asia like a boy who loves his mother. Intermixed with these images were many others with him in classic possessive-Beta encroaching posture – interposing arms like an affectionate headlock, while she looked away wistfully, or directly at the camera with the look of a woman who knows the Beta she’s with is deadweight to her Hypergamy.

Big Fish and the Cookie Lady

There is a larger dynamic at play in all this, one I probably could add an addendum to in my second book, Preventive Medicine. An aging Beta male, and particularly one with a notable amount of money, success, fame or status is a big fish for a necessitous woman. A woman who’s long practiced in using her sexual agency to its best advantage with men knows a prime target in an older man who’s never unplugged himself from his Blue Pill conditioning. Bourdain was one such big fish, and his Blue Pill conditioning, his eager white knighting and immediate deference to the feminine, his soul mate idealism would’ve been instantly recognizable to a 42 year old woman long accustomed to being the center of orbit for many a prior Beta.

I don’t want to call it an epidemic, but there is a set of women who look for aging men with resources to befriend and pretend they have a genuine interest in. Men with even moderate means and a Blue Pill conditioned idealism that ‘love springs eternal’ are prime targets for women who can read and assess that man’s state from years of practice. A woman who shows interest in a man who’s been starved for affection, sex and a real connection with a woman (married or not) will seem like more than an oasis in the desert. She’ll appeal to his romantic, idealistic Beta soul; a last chance at ‘true happiness’, a true miracle, as he enters his old age.

My own father was one such target for a woman we called the ‘cookie lady’.

My dad passed away from complications of Alzheimer’s/dementia before he was 72, but before his dementia had really become apparent the ‘cookie lady’ had already made a mark of my dad. My father was also what I’ve called a terminal Beta. He never unplugged to his dying day and lived a life based on the old set of books, being a good provider, dutiful, responsible and he was perpetually disappointed by the women in his life never reciprocating with their intimacy and appreciation the ‘rules’ clearly stated should happen. They never loved him in the way he thought women ought to be capable of loving him. Nevertheless, dad always clung to the (noble?) belief that if he saved his pennies and was of the highest service to women that eventually, one day, his efforts and quality would be appreciated by the right woman. He was a good example of the Savior Schema.

The ‘cookie lady’ understood all of this – all of dad’s Blue Pill conditioning, the way he thought the world and women should work, the old social contract investments, his idealism about women, everything – all of it in less than a week. She really wasn’t all that different from my step-mother in that respect, but at this late in the game, at her age, and noticing the subtle hints of cognitive degeneration in dad, the stakes were much higher for her long term security. I should also add that I would include my own mother in this schema; she’s a lovable loon, but she knew a good opportunity for security back in the 60s, so it may be my father had a knack for attracting this type of woman due to his Blue Pill idealism.

The reason we called this woman the ‘cookie lady’ was because she always brought my dad fresh baked cookies when she was trying to play into his Blue Pill end-of-life last ditch hope for happiness. We never knew her real name and if it hadn’t been for my dad getting very upset with us for preventing him from rewriting the ‘cookie lady’ into his will and power of attorney within the first month of her ‘dropping by’ we may very well have been suckered into her scam too.

Respect Your Elders

It was this incident that opened up a whole new understanding of the Red Pill and intersexual dynamics for me. I think it may be important going forward in Red Pill awareness to consider how intersexual dynamics and the Feminine Imperative affect generations of older men. My brother and I had to really watch out for similar scams to take advantage of my dad’s condition and his Blue Pill mindset that was making him a target. It wasn’t until this incident that I did a bit of research to find out how common this scam really is. In a sense it’s one more angle on the ‘stripper effect’ for younger, desperate, men for whom the feigned attention of the stripper, the kino, the deferent concern, is more seductive than her sexuality. It feeds a deeper emptiness. In a young man, in an Incel, just the possibility for that connection can become an obsession. For an older man, who’s been starved of the same (in or out of marriage) for the better part of his life, it seems like a storybook ending all his Blue Pill conditioning told him was possible. And what would a man like that give for on last shot at that idealistic ‘love’?

When Will We Face the Facts about Suicide in Older Men?

The instance of elderly men’s suicide is something not too many people want to talk about. Much of what I’ve read about it throws out a lot of feminist boilerplate about how old masculine ideals are to blame, but as expected, it uses this ‘toxic’ masculinity narrative to cover the uglier truths. Most men are Betas. Most men spend their lives wondering why all the Blue Pill hopes they sincerely believe are possible just don’t happen for them. They blame themselves, or they blame others, but they never really unplug because their existence was centered on the certainty that Blue Pill dreams come true if they can just work on the relationship harder or they made more money or if they’d only met a more perfect ‘soul mate’ in the story that is their life.

Anthony Bourdain fit this profile to the letter. And while it may not have been Asia Argento’s conscious, forethought purpose to gravy-train him, his Blue Pill, Beta, perspective had to have been apparent to her. On some level of consciousness she knew he had the capacity for self-harm as an extension of this. It’s exactly why she pleaded to the paparazzi who photographed her on the streets of Rome with her far more Alpha lover Hugo Clement, not to publish the photos. For all the guilty foreshadowing from Rose McGowan trying to convince the public who adored Bourdain about their “relationship without borders”, the truth is deathly apparent that Bourdain’s idealism believed otherwise.

Asia Argento didn’t kill Anthony Bourdain, but in what she represented to his Blue Pill mind, her actions were the catalyst that prompted his suicide. Yes, he was depressed. Yes, maybe he was on Chantix (we’ll never know now that his body was cremated unceremoniously, without a toxicology screening and against his family’s wishes). Yes, he was a hard drinker, drug addict and had suicidal thoughts before (after his 2nd divorce), but he killed himself 3 days after the pictures of his “soul mate” and Hugo Clement were published.

I think the bigger lesson here is a wake up call for older men who are still plugged into the Blue Pill Matrix as well as those who’ve become Red Pill aware much later in life. I’m of the opinion that it’s never too late to unplug and live a Red Pill aware life, but I will concede it’s a lot to lay on a guy who’s lived most of his life plugged in. Looking back on decision after decision influenced by a Blue Pill conditioning, influenced by a set of rules you believed others were playing by and then seeing the results of those decisions and wreckage that followed. It’s one thing to be “awakened while married” when you’re in your early 40s, but it’s quite another to realize Red Pill truths when you’re 70 and maybe have another good 10 years to live if you took care of yourself. That’s a rough realization.

In Positive Masculinity I stressed the importance of Red Pill aware men being mentors for boys and younger men and helping to raise them out of the influences of the Feminine Imperative’s Village, but I think it’s going to be important to mentor and protect the interests of older men as they age in a Blue Pill mindset and become Red Pill aware.

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Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
4 years ago

Baer M.D. The betas in law enforcement have contributed to the problem. It is always the male who is guilty of spousal abuse. Those betas are just following orders / policy. If you want to know where that comes from, search on the term “Duluth Wheel” and prepare for a ride down the rabbit hole. Because there’s 30+ years of history and policy involved. The tl;dr of it is: radical feminists with a tiny study done in one town convinced a whole army of White Knghts to pass all sorts of laws like the 1993 VAWA. This is all part… Read more »

Incubus_Rising
Incubus_Rising
4 years ago

@Blaximus:

“Do you think that if you’d banged, let’s say…100 hb9’s over a two year span, and let’s also say that they were all younger than 24 exclusively, so you think you would still find the as ideal or more desirable?”

I understand your point of view. And no, I don’t think a 24 year HB 9 is a “special creature” who defines “what I am”. I am 100% with you when you say “No, they’re just girls”.

Incubus_Rising
Incubus_Rising
4 years ago

@AR:

“Then how come I’m seeing girls under 25 with arm / shoulder / traps developed? Shoulders notably wider than hips…”

Perhaps it is more of a thing in US, Out here is Europe young girls are on average thin and I don’t see them wasting time at the gym trying to get “buff”.

j
j
4 years ago

“I wanna bang 9’s because…. It’s what I want to do”.

I don’t want to bang average girls. I want to bang hot girls (because average girls don’t do it for me anymore) and continue banging them beyond one night. That is my goal wrt to women….not my sole goal in life.

j
j
4 years ago

Definitely a skewed sample size. I don’t see a high population of “buff” young chicks walking around lol.

Will be in Eastern Europe for a couple weeks soon to do some sight seeing and sample the local cuisine….and maybe seduce a girl or two but that’s not that sole focus of my trip 😉

mersonia
4 years ago

“I don’t want to bang average girls. I want to bang hot girls (because average girls don’t do it for me anymore)”

You are banging extremely average girls…..

Incubus_Rising
Incubus_Rising
4 years ago

@j:

Eastern Europe is really good. You will have a great time. Approaching girls and starting conversations is easy. Girls there are happy to chat up with American / British men to prove to themselves that they can speak good English.

Pinelero
Pinelero
4 years ago

Changing hormone levels also account for the buffness of >30 year old chicks. As women age past 24 yrs old they stop growing, so the female hormone levels decrease. Estrogen is a hormone that tells the body to lay down baby fat in the skin, as estrogen levels decrease, for lean women, their skin has less body fat. Less body fat in skin results in a more masculine appearance in the older post wall ladies compared to peak estrogen beauties.

j
j
4 years ago

“You are banging extremely average girls…..”

Lmao

mersonia
4 years ago

‘Lmao”

Same reaction I had when I realized ur 9 is my 6 lololol

j
j
4 years ago

damn then that means you da real alpha male!

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

Look in my eyes

What do you see?

The cult of personality.

j
j
4 years ago

@Palma

Age group and level of hotness….the girls you see in high-end clubs

no clue what 5s are doing. Never had an in-depth conversation with them since 2015. Actually I sitting at a cafe, talking to this beta dude a couple days ago with a girlfriend (5.5) sitting next to him. I was kind of tooling him in front of her (can’t help it lol) and the chick was looking at me all sexually…laughing and shit. I had to get the fuck outta there lol

j
j
4 years ago

@Palma

Westernized chicks no….although from what I’ve read (mostly from Roosh and his travel forum) it’s spreading to traditional European countries now too..but I’ll find out for myself soon.

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

J

“…I don’t give a fuck who betas fuck)”

Really? Seems this whole interaction started around your view that betas don’t fuck hot girls.

So move that goalpost back where ya found it.

It appears you now agree that betas do in fact fuck hot girls.

Niw what does that mean to your view of alpha?

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
4 years ago

Fucking 25, 35, 45….y.o’s By definition you dontvhave a areproductive advantage fucking younger, hotter, tighter if you ain’t actually reproducing. That’s how j ipedalstaliizes young women. It has nothing to do with looks but he’s turning young women into false idols of his own pride. It’s not about dying alone. It’s not about buffering OMG inability to pull young ass. It’s not about younger women truly being better looking and more nubile, and softer and, and, and, and…. It’s about J’s love of all things <25 y.o. as if when he's dead he anyone but him will care he fucked… Read more »

j
j
4 years ago

@Sentient

“Seems this whole interaction started around your view that betas don’t fuck hot girls.”

“It appears you now agree that betas do in fact fuck hot girls.”

Yeah thanks for challenging me and leading me to further explain what Alpha is….

Lazy on my part to make that claim.

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

“Young girls under 25 with good facial features and genetically gifted do not exercise that much. They come to the gym do light weight training (lot of butt exercises) and enjoy the attention from men.”

More of them doing yoga and never go to the gym.

Palma

Maybe in that party town. Is this a lower SES demo? Geordie shore?

7 8 9 marrying on the reg here in the US. 26 on they get married.

j
j
4 years ago

@Eh If I wanted to go bang 1000s of women, I’d get a part time min-wage job and day game every day and hit up bars at night…message girls on online dating apps all day long….but that’s not my goal. My goal, which I set in 2016, was to have have a roster of 3 fuckbuddies (which I currently do) those fuckbuddies would consist of young (doesn’t have to be under 25), good sexual chemistry and are hot according to me..not some internet troll…lol Like I’ve explained to @IRL and @blax I don’t know if my desires will change as… Read more »

j
j
4 years ago

@Sentient

tbh, I thought Palma said, “nothing over a 5 is worth marrying” because they’re all riding the CC…of course some beta will Man Up and marry these sluts

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

@ j

You know I just like busting your ballz, right?😁

Tbh I hope you do get exactly what you want, how you want it, using wizard level game. And that’s no lie.

I just push back sometimes against the memes that encompass the rest of the sphere ( mostly ) outside of trm.

That stuff helps some men, but it really won’t help a majority over the long haul of life. Rollo avoids being prescriptive for a very good and admirable reason.

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
4 years ago

@ j

That’s the spirit. Enjoy life’s bounty.

The Silver FoX
The Silver FoX
4 years ago

@ palma

Flip me your email again. Lost it in the threads. Mine is jairockz075@gmail.com

FoX

walawala
walawala
4 years ago

New just out, an autopsy report reveals AB did not have narcotics in his system.

I don’t think we’re far off in determining what may have driven him off the edge.

This is incredibly sad that someone so gifted would surrender like this…

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

Palma

SES demo is socio economic status demographic… I.e. poor, working class, lmc ms umc upper class etc.

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

I mean a “hen night” itself is a bit of a tell…

The Silver FoX
The Silver FoX
4 years ago

@ walawala Re: Bourdain “This is incredibly sad that someone so gifted would surrender like this…” It simply amazes me when successful people who have the profile and financial freedom to go do whatever whenever, top themselves. For most of us struggling to get anywhere near our goals in this rigged society, this really sucks. It also shows how Blue Pill he was, and how it is just deadly for men who put their happiness into the hands of malevolent skanks like AA. I know that money and celebrity doesn’t equate to happiness, but i’d certainly trade it for my… Read more »

The Silver FoX
The Silver FoX
4 years ago

@ palma

Nothing in my InBox. zero75, not O75…

SJF
SJF
4 years ago

Maybe instead of trying to hammer out what is the Alpha Way, a focus might be more: What is the Masculine Way? Maybe that fits higher up the food chain poon train. Or at least did in the the old days before Feminism screwed women into the ground and made them more masculine. And to truly experience the masculine way, and individual man must both embrace and apply it as best fits the requirement of his situation(s). Masculine/Feminine polarity is not for nothing in relationships. The masculine archetype is attractive to the feminine archetype and vice versa. Was Anthony Bourdain… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

Sjf I believe every single man walking this earth has a breaking point. I’m positive this is so. The good news is that a vast majority of men will never ever even come close to finding out where that point is for them. Some thresholds are lower than others. I have a cousin who was a prison guard during a takeover back in the 80’s. During that takeover, he was beaten severely and tied to a bed in a cell. About ever hour or so, an inmate would come in with a machete and cut him somewhere on his body,… Read more »

boulderhead
4 years ago

SJF

Not so much a failure at masculinity as a failure to recognize there is a difference between masculine and feminine. Not only the plumbing or the social conditioning,but the hardwired differences that go all the way down to the bone!

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

Above should read ” I think he was living inside his threshold. “.

Chazz Reinhold
Chazz Reinhold
4 years ago

The is an episode of Two and a half man featuring a cookie lady. And also an episode with a witch.

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

What I’m wondering about, is whether going forward in successive generations if there will be a reduction of make suicides in some fashion. Do most makes younger than 30 even realize there’s a conflict wrt to society’s FI driven villianisation of masculinity? Kinda like how they have no idea that life at one time didn’t include smart phones and the internet? So will the ” suffering ” he as great as it can be for men that have watched the downward spiral over the decades? Blue pill ideology can serve as a kind of temporary vaccination against what’s real and… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

Ugh. ” males ” not ” makes “.

But it’s funny how spellchecker refuses to allow me to type ” males ” and keeps changing it😁.

Wild Man
Wild Man
4 years ago

SJF – your comment: “Non-personal abstract regard? …… ‘No’ (my added quailfier) …….. Red Pill in my book has intense personal regard.” OK – think of it this way. Intense personal regard (to place the emphasis on ‘caring’, in the personal sense, more than ‘knowing’, in the abstract sense) is what women tend to do, with respect to herself and with respect to the other elements of her life, inclusive of relationships with the other people, inclusive of men. Women tend to make things more personal, within their mindset. For example, the example Deida gave with respect to your quoted… Read more »

SJF
SJF
4 years ago

“…what I am saying is ….. let’s better define the root of this polarity….”

So what you are saying is that you have no idea what-is-what in regards to Masculine/Feminine polarity?

Getting laid with a woman who’s into it with you might solve that.

It’s really not that complicated or philosophical.

Wild Man
Wild Man
4 years ago

“So what you are saying is that you have no idea what-is-what in regards to Masculine/Feminine polarity?” No – what I am saying is I got a much better idea than you. I got a much better idea than Deida. Isn’t that clear that is what I am saying? I actually just said that (about Deida). My discussion with you has been about an attempt for me to understand you by way of my lens, and vise versa …… but I incorporate your offerings within my perspective, whereas you don’t. You instead either deride my perspective, or misrepresent it (and… Read more »

Wild Man
Wild Man
4 years ago

habd – thank-you for your further attempt to to engage in discussion with me. But I don’t see how we are getting anywhere if you continue to play so fast and loose with respect to lack of discipline around definitions For example – you said: “you can’t intellectualize the process of RP acceptance… THAT’s why it’s ‘utter non-sense’… you literally can not think your way into alpha stud status…lol… for a bunch of reasons… not the least of which is that in trying to do THAT your MPoO/frame is still in FI/BP value set ….. thinking v doing ….. therefore,… Read more »

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
4 years ago

“Does MPoO involve thinking”

Wildman, some math for ya:

Q: What’s the product of your overwrought thinking plus your interminable commenting?

A: Gamma loser.

Anon
Anon
4 years ago

“People say nothing is impossible but I do nothing every day”
-Pooh bear
Just checking out my gravatar

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

Palma

That’s awful, but a little encouraging to see men do what should be impossible.

God bless your dad.

My uncle passed about 8 years ago. He took his story with him. In a way I’d like to know, but in another way, I trust his motivation.

rugby11
rugby11
4 years ago

Blaximus
Took me 4 yrs to hear my grandpa speak about his battle in belgium when the panther tanks come through he was painting.

SJF
SJF
4 years ago

“My discussion with you has been about an attempt for me to understand you by way of my lens, and vise versa …… but I incorporate your offerings within my perspective, whereas you don’t. You instead either deride my perspective, or misrepresent it (and those strategies are usually, but not always, about whamen shit)…. ….By way of the discussion so far, perspective-interface-wise, incorporative perspective vs. deriding perspective, my perspective is dominant to yours, by this abstract power measure. https://youtu.be/xKKsbRQ9GQg When there’s nowhere else to run Is there room for one more son One more son If you can hold on… Read more »

theasdgamer
4 years ago

By way of the discussion so far, perspective-interface-wise, incorporative perspective vs. deriding perspective, my perspective is dominant to yours, by this abstract power measure.

Nope, inclusive systems by their very nature exclude exclusive systems; hence, they are exclusive themselves. Your “dominance” is perceived only only in your own eyes.

theasdgamer
4 years ago

And for the record – what a man wants to do with his life? What is his goal? To understand. At root, that’s what men do – capisce?

What is a man’s goal? Whatever he wants. You cannot understand without acting. And understanding is only a tool to help you achieve your mission, not an end in itself.

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
4 years ago

‘What is his goal? To understand.”

Save a seat for me in hell, fucker.

IRL
IRL
4 years ago

@Incubus_Rising A young 23 year old HB 7 in my circle stalks the instagram account of a rapper. She would DM provocative pictures and this guy (who is a celebrity and has a girlfriend) once messaged back “cool … come to one of my shows”. This girl posts the screen shot of his reply on her account to boost her SMV among her sisters. She then went on a quest to lose weight, got a nose job, boob job and bought “VIP tickets to his show with after party with the celebrities”. Are you banging her? Is she getting the… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

“Between ‘Nothing to Lose’ and ‘Having It All’ (both Positions of Fuck You), ”

Warms my heart… ❤

having a bad day
having a bad day
4 years ago

@Wild Man habd – thank-you for your further attempt to to engage in discussion with me. But I don’t see how we are getting anywhere if you continue to play so fast and loose with respect to lack of discipline around definitions i know… it’s kind of sad really…lol but ((I)) don’t need to ‘get anywhere’…lol… YOU are the one asking for help and trying to figure out RP/reality… ((I’m)) already there…lol but i still have hope that you will ‘just get it’ eventually… sooo ‘fast and loose’ it is…lol Simple question for you habd: Does MPoO involve thinking? If… Read more »

thesickmanofeuropecom
4 years ago

Reading “Big Fish” reminded me of something I read about Marriage “Types” in Brazil. There are FOUR distinct…(and enforceable) marriage types…the differences between each type relates to Property Ownership before and during the marriage…and you MUST choose which type you want BEFORE you get married! One specific type “Separate Property Ruling” means just that….what is Yours is Yours and what is Hers is Hers… regardless of when the property/asset was earned or acquired…No ifs No buts…No family court battles. The interesting thing is….IF you are over 60 years old….the “Separate Property Ruling” type of marriage is COMPULSORY…. No “Big Fish”… Read more »

kfg
kfg
4 years ago

What this gentleman is NOT doing is contemplating the problems introduced by the realization that his sensory perceptions have a subjective component:

http://images6.fanpop.com/image/photos/38600000/Pride-Of-Lions-jessowey-jessica-89-and-abcjkl-38653803-500-313.jpg

And he is NOT doing it wrong.

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

Yasss….

anon
anon
4 years ago

At 1330, old single guy doing the “lion” thing.
He gets her, exact.
(she liketh it not and goes into a crying tirade about her unique specialness, and goes back to her beta…that’s the end of the Netflix story. But not really the end of the story. This could be a documentary the entire movie is so apt a demo of modern-day hypergamous cray)

theasdgamer
4 years ago

anon, your Hypergamous envy is showing…

anon
anon
4 years ago

Gamer. Now I’m curious.
How do you perceive a non-envious person would interpret this?
It’s the topic exact. It’s essentially a RP version of Bordeaux.

boulderhead
4 years ago

Anon

Hypergamy isn’t cray it is hardwired in.

Movies are art not to be interpreted as real life or even a facsimile.

Bourdain & Argento don’t represent reality either,as they are both perverted by excess,that wasn’t earned.

anon
anon
4 years ago

AT any rate, I saw this netflix movie a while back and at the time I thought he handled that situation just about perfectly. But maybe one needs to see the movie for context. It’s kind of a horror story to me…. I wouldn’t do well in that Tinderesque environment, if it were forced on me. I’m sure I’d be a cat rancher (or more likely puppy rancher, I prefer dogs). It’s kind of what I envision Ya’s world to be like (assuming he wasn’t living the secret life of Walter Mitty) Online exchanges in here are kind of interesting… Read more »

anon
anon
4 years ago

Thanks for the response, Boulder…didn’t see it when I posted.

Wild Man
Wild Man
4 years ago

Mmmmm – interesting thing anon brought up. Perspectives. The way she interprets the Newness piece (I didn’t see it – but watched the clip anon provided here), focusing on the lion-like man’s (did anon mean ‘lion-like’ to be synonymous with ‘lionhearted’?) response to the hypergamous nature of his young lover ….. anon judging that he played that perfectly. When I watched the clip that’s not what was emphasized in my mind though. Probably – this man/woman thing colors absolutely everything – like what these differing perspectives will focus on, will emphasize, in every social exchange (which is an inescapable conclusion… Read more »

j
j
4 years ago

@IRL “This social media boogeyman is there because guys don’t recognise girls need emotional thrills which they DON’T get in their everyday lives.” “How can an average 7/10 guy with a stable 9-5 job give her the thrills she gets from all the above?” It’s not all sunshine and roses in an LTR, right? Being together for 3 years with the same <25 year old HB8+ it's inevitable you're gonna have a bad day…she'll start some drama or she gets used to you and you're not as mysterious and bad ass as you once were the first couple months you… Read more »

informationjunkie1984
4 years ago

All liberal men are beta males. They believe in giving women all their power and she will take care of them like their mother. Conservative men and those of Eastern cultures know the truth of women. You should not give them one iota of power over your life and they must not be trusted at all.

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

Men are men. Lmao.

Beta males come in every stripe.

…. waaakkke uuupppp!!! It’s time to get up now!!!!

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

see, I don’t know exactly what to make out of statements like informationjunkie1984’s. Heard it often. Not familiar with the mindset. 1) You don’t give ( voluntarily ) any person power over your life. This applies to men and women. 2) sure you can trust some women. Just like you can trust some men. And dogs. The trick is can you identify and differentiate between ” people ” you can trust, or are you some kind of sucker? I will concede his point regarding different areas of the world being different, but his example of ” knowing the truth of… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

” she’s young, she sees her friends going to exotic trips, clubs, and sees all this “Eat Pray Love” content her friends share on Facebook…but her “high value alpha mindset” boyfriend can’t afford that shit, working as a cashier at a BP gas station. She loves him but she wants to find out…”

Lol. Leave it to man j to post this up right now when I gotta step out for a few.

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

…. don’t believe ( all ) the hype

j
j
4 years ago

re: Facebook’s (the social network) slow death as previously discussed on a different post. Facebook (the corporation) launches IGTV (competitor to YouTube) on Instagram instead of their former cash cow, Facebook (the social network) which will be cannibalized: “Facebook’s willingness to turn away from its core product is perhaps why it’s been able to outpace the slow plodding irrelevance that eventually consumed every social network before it. As the core product languishes, Facebook is already a step ahead, looking beyond it. Apple used a similar strategy for a decade. The iPod was a stellar device that only saw diversification such… Read more »

boulderhead
4 years ago

cool monocle

informationjunkie1984
4 years ago

“1) You don’t give ( voluntarily ) any person power over your life. This applies to men and women.”

By putting women on a pedestal, the beta males make excuses for anything negative their women does and put the blame on themselves. This is the same mindset of the so-called red pilled man, who think he is being “alpha” for taking responsibility for a woman’s bad behavior. This will inevitably lead to depression and suicide in many cases.

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

Hoo-boy.

Okay, everyone here has already heard me opine about pedestalization, so I’ll just leave that one there in agreement.

I disagree with your definitions of ” red pilled ” and ” alpha ” though.

You bother to read any of the stuff here by chance?

theasdgamer
4 years ago

anon, you’re dissing Hypergamy as cray, but it is only cray from a tradcon perspective…Hypergamy is biology and it’s hardwired in you just like any other broad…and you’re gonna feel its pull…(I wanna play grabass like Mike does)…even if you think Mike is the greatest guy in the world…Hypergamy can be mitigated thru training, but never totally eliminated…because women are supposed to make babies

theasdgamer
4 years ago

Ergo, tradcon Hypergamy-shaming is removed from reality as it ignores biology. This is not to say that training a woman to manage her Hypergamy isn’t a good thing.

informationjunkie1984
4 years ago

theasdgamer, and yet the hypergamy in men one can argue is even more than women, but has been almost entirely eliminated through financial burdens placed on men through the statist financial system.

Think about the fact that a man wants to make babies more intensely, with much higher frequency, and almost no physical investment. Do you really think female hypergamy is greater than male hypergamy, or that the state simply punishes male hypergamy with far greater severity?

kfg
kfg
4 years ago

@informationjunkie1984:

Hypergamy does not equal promiscuity.

informationjunkie1984
4 years ago

@kfg, So you do not think hypergamy in women can be eliminated with jail sentences and financial penalties amount to slave status. Because these have proven to be very effective at limiting male “promiscuity.”

kfg
kfg
4 years ago

@informationjunkie1984:

Potato.

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

Hypergamy eliminated?

Why didn’t we think about that before?

Rollo, you holding out on us?

anon
anon
4 years ago

“anon, you’re dissing Hypergamy as cray, but it is only cray from a tradcon perspective…” I’m sure you’re right. But “tradcon” conditioning can run really, really deep. “In the morning, when the master came out on to the porch, fifty white Leghorn hens, laid out in a row by the groom, greeted his eyes. He whistled to himself, softly, first with surprise, and then, at the end, with admiration. His eyes were likewise greeted by White Fang, but about the latter there were no signs of shame nor guilt. He carried himself with pride, as though, forsooth, he had achieved… Read more »

theasdgamer
4 years ago

anon, I agree that training can powerfully constrain our hard-wired impulses…yet, sometimes desire for food or sex can overwhelm our training…suppose Mike were away from you for a couple of years…maybe locked up by some liberal judge or captured by some rogue regime or in a coma…and you were around some of his pilot buddies…or commenting on this site…your hunger could become very demanding

anon
anon
4 years ago

😆 Gamer

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

“Hypergamy can be mitigated thru training, but never totally eliminated…because women are supposed to make babies”

Anon

Hypergamy is not a constant function like breathing or a heartbeat. It is a reflex which responds to stimulus, like the Patellar Reflex.

theasdgamer
4 years ago

well, married women aren’t on my menu, but I’m pretty sure that Sentient would accommodate you…you might fall in love…things would get “complicated”…lol…

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

J

“June 24, 2018 at 12:02 pm”

Is this something you actually wrote and think ir is this just another Yareally retread?

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
4 years ago

incubus rising
Perhaps it is more of a thing in US,

For sure. YouGoGrrl is still big in the US. Anglosphere feminism tends to be more rabid than other forms. It could also be more of a college-aged thing.

Out here is Europe young girls are on average thin and I don’t see them wasting time at the gym trying to get “buff”.

Also there are fewer fatties in Europe, or at least that’s what I noted in several cities two years ago.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
4 years ago

informationjunkie1984

hypergamy in men … does not exist.

anon
anon
4 years ago

“Hypergamy is not a constant function like breathing or a heartbeat. It is a reflex which responds to stimulus, like the Patellar Reflex.”

I agree that it isn’t a constant function.
However, I disagree that it is “like the patellar reflex” (an involuntary function over which there is no control…kind of like pain).

theasdgamer
4 years ago

anon, it’s more like the impulse to pull your hand from a flame, only in reverse, depending on the perceived temperature of the man

boulderhead
4 years ago

Anon can’t won’t see the reflexive condition of women’s hypergamy,because of deep conversion,and if that changed it would become “alpha widow”. Either way it is not about her control rather the condition of her hypergamy is satisfied.

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
4 years ago

“Hypergamy is not a constant function like breathing or a heartbeat.”

Sexually it is as autonomic as any reflex…and the heart beat is controlled by internal metrics calibrated in the hindbrain and corotid artery chemoreceptors thru co2 partial pressures, corotid sinus baroreceptors, blah, blah, blah.

The emotional is the physical as emotion requires actual neurotransmitter fx. A literal chemical machine working with in us.

Hypergamy is as constant as any life sustaining fx. It’s that critical for the perpetuation of life as it yields the most competitive, field tested Red Queen style organism.

informationjunkie1984
4 years ago

@Anonymous Reader
Hypergamy literally defined as constantly seeking better mating options. That could also apply to men if you are no longer sexually attracted to your mate for a variety of reasons including boredom as well as availability of other fertile women.

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

Eh “Hypergamy is as constant as any life sustaining fx. ” If that were true, a ceaseless search, no one would be married in Teh Current Year. Blax’s wife would be gone… Yours… Mine… There is a level that is reached that makes hypergamy not an active process. It’s sated. Like hunger is sated in all but the most mentally ill. And it will rest until disturbed. Now she may get hungry now and then… Enter the shit test… But a quick snack and all is well. Something like that. Still think reflexive response to stimulus is a better analogy.… Read more »

theasdgamer
4 years ago

Shit tests and sexual calibration are reflexive–not so sure about hypergamy. Eh, if you have a link showing that hypergamy is an autonomic reflex, please post it.

kfg
kfg
4 years ago

“Hypergamy literally defined as constantly seeking better mating options. ”

Hypergamy literally defined as a potato.
That could also apply to a bag of chips.

j
j
4 years ago

“Hypergamy literally defined as constantly seeking better mating options. That could also apply to men if you are no longer sexually attracted to your mate for a variety of reasons including boredom as well as availability of other fertile women” Only if the previous girl was average looking and you manage to attract a far more attractive girl, then yes hypergamy applies to both sexes. Like, if I I’m banging a 6 and then I seduce a 9….I’m not gonna be motivated to continue banging the 6 anymore because I want to spend all that time banging the 9…so I’ll… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

Okay. Let’s see what we got here…. ” “This social media boogeyman is there because guys don’t recognise girls need emotional thrills which they DON’T get in their everyday lives.” “How can an average 7/10 guy with a stable 9-5 job give her the thrills she gets from all the above?” ” Looking to ” thrill ” chicks? Proposition = losing. Thanks for playing. ” It’s not all sunshine and roses in an LTR, right? Being together for 3 years with the same <25 year old HB8+ it's inevitable you're gonna have a bad day…she'll start some drama or she… Read more »

kfg
kfg
4 years ago

“7.6 billion worldwide.”

And that number is still growing every day. I wonder how that happens.

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