Big Fish

It’s likely readers here have been following my twitter threads about the Anthony Bourdain suicide and I’ve been discussing the particulars about his death on Pat Campbell’s show and the Red Man Group for almost 2 weeks now. As readers know I’ve personally dealt with two suicides under circumstances  like this and I’ve picked apart dozens more over the years I’ve been writing. I’ve got a pretty good idea why old Beta guys off themselves.

But the Beta part is only one aspect of the story. Anthony being a ‘paper alpha’ is certainly an aspect too, but the more I dig into the background of the “love of his life”, Asia Argento, the more the puzzle pieces fit together. This bitch was a piece of work. If you watched the Red Man Group last Saturday I explained why I don’t think she was a BPD case (borderline personality disorder), but after reading this thread I’m beginning to change my mind:

So, she’s a witch. A literal witch, and all of her ‘sisterhood’ are witches are too. You can digest that however you feel is necessary, but this is a 42 year old woman who practices literal witchcraft – which is an extension of feminism with a pagan spiritual  woo woo magical thinking whipped into the mix. I really need to do a more expansive post on Chick Crack soon.

But, even this isn’t what I want to confront you with. What I want to raise your awareness to is something I’ve never really had an occasion to explore until now; Anthony Bourdain was a very big fish.

Anthony Bourdain (AB) was a long term, life-long, Beta. He was every bit of what I call a ‘terminal Beta‘. Yes, he had the Bad Boy thing working for him and if you want to get a more complete idea about his past Black Label Logic has a great piece on his blog you really ought to read. But, with respect to Bourdain’s understanding of intersexual dynamics he was very much a Beta.

People immediately gave me shit for naming him such. That was expected. He’s Anthony-fucking-Bourdain and I’m just some “half-assed self-published Red Pill writer, what the fuck do I know, right?” Well, I knew enough to recognize the profile of a Contextual Alpha who’d been plugged into his Blue Pill conditioning for 61 years and the huge mark he put on himself by being so publicly co-dependent on the idea of the soul mate myth. Anthony had been through 2 wives. The most recent one cheated on him with her MMA fighter / personal trainer he no doubt was paying to “train” his soon-to-be ex wife. I have no doubt AB would’ve attempted to lock down Asia Argento because this is what overly possessive, perpetually mate guarding Beta men do when a woman approaches his “dream girl” ideal. His social media was rife with declarations about how happy he was to have finally met his ‘kindred spirit’ soul mate (and self-avowed Wiccan) Asia Argento. AB sincerely believed his ship had come in. The woman who would finally complete him (this time) was at last in his life.

In every Instagram image, every Tweet, AB was gushing about how he’d never been happier as he cuddled with Asia like a boy who loves his mother. Intermixed with these images were many others with him in classic possessive-Beta encroaching posture – interposing arms like an affectionate headlock, while she looked away wistfully, or directly at the camera with the look of a woman who knows the Beta she’s with is deadweight to her Hypergamy.

Big Fish and the Cookie Lady

There is a larger dynamic at play in all this, one I probably could add an addendum to in my second book, Preventive Medicine. An aging Beta male, and particularly one with a notable amount of money, success, fame or status is a big fish for a necessitous woman. A woman who’s long practiced in using her sexual agency to its best advantage with men knows a prime target in an older man who’s never unplugged himself from his Blue Pill conditioning. Bourdain was one such big fish, and his Blue Pill conditioning, his eager white knighting and immediate deference to the feminine, his soul mate idealism would’ve been instantly recognizable to a 42 year old woman long accustomed to being the center of orbit for many a prior Beta.

I don’t want to call it an epidemic, but there is a set of women who look for aging men with resources to befriend and pretend they have a genuine interest in. Men with even moderate means and a Blue Pill conditioned idealism that ‘love springs eternal’ are prime targets for women who can read and assess that man’s state from years of practice. A woman who shows interest in a man who’s been starved for affection, sex and a real connection with a woman (married or not) will seem like more than an oasis in the desert. She’ll appeal to his romantic, idealistic Beta soul; a last chance at ‘true happiness’, a true miracle, as he enters his old age.

My own father was one such target for a woman we called the ‘cookie lady’.

My dad passed away from complications of Alzheimer’s/dementia before he was 72, but before his dementia had really become apparent the ‘cookie lady’ had already made a mark of my dad. My father was also what I’ve called a terminal Beta. He never unplugged to his dying day and lived a life based on the old set of books, being a good provider, dutiful, responsible and he was perpetually disappointed by the women in his life never reciprocating with their intimacy and appreciation the ‘rules’ clearly stated should happen. They never loved him in the way he thought women ought to be capable of loving him. Nevertheless, dad always clung to the (noble?) belief that if he saved his pennies and was of the highest service to women that eventually, one day, his efforts and quality would be appreciated by the right woman. He was a good example of the Savior Schema.

The ‘cookie lady’ understood all of this – all of dad’s Blue Pill conditioning, the way he thought the world and women should work, the old social contract investments, his idealism about women, everything – all of it in less than a week. She really wasn’t all that different from my step-mother in that respect, but at this late in the game, at her age, and noticing the subtle hints of cognitive degeneration in dad, the stakes were much higher for her long term security. I should also add that I would include my own mother in this schema; she’s a lovable loon, but she knew a good opportunity for security back in the 60s, so it may be my father had a knack for attracting this type of woman due to his Blue Pill idealism.

The reason we called this woman the ‘cookie lady’ was because she always brought my dad fresh baked cookies when she was trying to play into his Blue Pill end-of-life last ditch hope for happiness. We never knew her real name and if it hadn’t been for my dad getting very upset with us for preventing him from rewriting the ‘cookie lady’ into his will and power of attorney within the first month of her ‘dropping by’ we may very well have been suckered into her scam too.

Respect Your Elders

It was this incident that opened up a whole new understanding of the Red Pill and intersexual dynamics for me. I think it may be important going forward in Red Pill awareness to consider how intersexual dynamics and the Feminine Imperative affect generations of older men. My brother and I had to really watch out for similar scams to take advantage of my dad’s condition and his Blue Pill mindset that was making him a target. It wasn’t until this incident that I did a bit of research to find out how common this scam really is. In a sense it’s one more angle on the ‘stripper effect’ for younger, desperate, men for whom the feigned attention of the stripper, the kino, the deferent concern, is more seductive than her sexuality. It feeds a deeper emptiness. In a young man, in an Incel, just the possibility for that connection can become an obsession. For an older man, who’s been starved of the same (in or out of marriage) for the better part of his life, it seems like a storybook ending all his Blue Pill conditioning told him was possible. And what would a man like that give for on last shot at that idealistic ‘love’?

When Will We Face the Facts about Suicide in Older Men?

The instance of elderly men’s suicide is something not too many people want to talk about. Much of what I’ve read about it throws out a lot of feminist boilerplate about how old masculine ideals are to blame, but as expected, it uses this ‘toxic’ masculinity narrative to cover the uglier truths. Most men are Betas. Most men spend their lives wondering why all the Blue Pill hopes they sincerely believe are possible just don’t happen for them. They blame themselves, or they blame others, but they never really unplug because their existence was centered on the certainty that Blue Pill dreams come true if they can just work on the relationship harder or they made more money or if they’d only met a more perfect ‘soul mate’ in the story that is their life.

Anthony Bourdain fit this profile to the letter. And while it may not have been Asia Argento’s conscious, forethought purpose to gravy-train him, his Blue Pill, Beta, perspective had to have been apparent to her. On some level of consciousness she knew he had the capacity for self-harm as an extension of this. It’s exactly why she pleaded to the paparazzi who photographed her on the streets of Rome with her far more Alpha lover Hugo Clement, not to publish the photos. For all the guilty foreshadowing from Rose McGowan trying to convince the public who adored Bourdain about their “relationship without borders”, the truth is deathly apparent that Bourdain’s idealism believed otherwise.

Asia Argento didn’t kill Anthony Bourdain, but in what she represented to his Blue Pill mind, her actions were the catalyst that prompted his suicide. Yes, he was depressed. Yes, maybe he was on Chantix (we’ll never know now that his body was cremated unceremoniously, without a toxicology screening and against his family’s wishes). Yes, he was a hard drinker, drug addict and had suicidal thoughts before (after his 2nd divorce), but he killed himself 3 days after the pictures of his “soul mate” and Hugo Clement were published.

I think the bigger lesson here is a wake up call for older men who are still plugged into the Blue Pill Matrix as well as those who’ve become Red Pill aware much later in life. I’m of the opinion that it’s never too late to unplug and live a Red Pill aware life, but I will concede it’s a lot to lay on a guy who’s lived most of his life plugged in. Looking back on decision after decision influenced by a Blue Pill conditioning, influenced by a set of rules you believed others were playing by and then seeing the results of those decisions and wreckage that followed. It’s one thing to be “awakened while married” when you’re in your early 40s, but it’s quite another to realize Red Pill truths when you’re 70 and maybe have another good 10 years to live if you took care of yourself. That’s a rough realization.

In Positive Masculinity I stressed the importance of Red Pill aware men being mentors for boys and younger men and helping to raise them out of the influences of the Feminine Imperative’s Village, but I think it’s going to be important to mentor and protect the interests of older men as they age in a Blue Pill mindset and become Red Pill aware.

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EhIntellect
EhIntellect
3 years ago

On AB….

I’m certain he wasn’t getting laid on the regular by AA or anyone. He went to Thailand (of all places!) for a business, no pleasure.

You know a lot of guys buy into the fiction of Galahad chastity or some lesser form, even when all signs say “She’s fucking around.”

Even if she isn’t, I see no benefit for a guy to play “Married man” and expect his wife/gf to assume he’s desire fuckable.

Sex has become for her duty sex at that point.

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
3 years ago

How’s Darwin helping you out, bro?

SJF
SJF (@sjf)
3 years ago

Wild Man Your word salads are still laced with the vinaigrette of egalitarian inter-sexual equalism. Which is and ideology and you are advancing thoughts and your thesis nowhere. Inter-sexual relationships are best in a non-equalist, complementary polarity. You can debate the state of Alpha all you want, but you still want masculine /feminine polarity to be the dynamic. (and a polarity requires two poles, both poles should best perform their roles.) Egalitarian equalism is static, defensive and not desire inspiring. The feminine pole without the feminine is not a functioning pole. Whether its her fault or the fault of the… Read more »

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
3 years ago

No joke. How does Darwin make your life better?

How does any of his work matter in your life?

How are you applying Darwin…in anyway, that benefits you?

Wild Man
Wild Man
3 years ago

“How’s Darwin helping you out, bro?”

Like I already said – understanding is always helpful. Don’t knock it.

SJF
SJF (@sjf)
3 years ago

“But the vastness of the personality resource is so compelling … so fascinating …. I can understand why a man might get lost in there, if he made his aim to explore that territory, the territory of the vastness of her personality resource.” You started with a false premise. It’s not compelling and a man should not get lost in there….. Men are logical and should observe, see and sum up a personality for the value and virtue it holds. That’s why someone made up the concept of vetting. Vetting with ignorance (or desperate thirst) is what will permit a… Read more »

Roused
Roused
3 years ago

Quests for any “holy grail” are a fools errand.

Kind of reminds me of soul mates and being “completed.”

rugby11
3 years ago

https://www.instagram.com/p/BiK4A2_ALk2/?taken-by=jonasdelonge
I wonder if kids finding the red pill early on helps them deal with life in a more sudtle stoic fashion.

Blaximus
Blaximus
3 years ago

Fuck Darwin, burn your idols.

SJF
SJF (@sjf)
3 years ago

PalmaSailor “@SJF it was Anastasia in the book by the way but I’m sure you guessed that” Yes, I vaguely remember, but with red pill lenses on it was just a confirmation of “the nature” of that woman. And so luckily she was incidental to the story. The story being about bringing your son up well as an invested father. BTW, your book’s writing style was excellent despite your apologies for not having had it edited. It flowed great and it felt like it was written by a “natural” who was the sum of his earlier reference experiences, namely Dynamic,… Read more »

Fred Flange, GBFC (Great Books For Cucks)
Fred Flange, GBFC (Great Books For Cucks)
3 years ago

Oh crikey I know it’s just snark but let’s not get too reductive about these semantics games – we all know there’s some doofus out there who will retweet this exchange as “No joke: how does gravity make your life better? How does any of Newton’s work matter in your life? How are you applying gravity in any way that benefits you?” Now go step off that bridge. It’s al a matter of Alpha self-determined willpower. You might fly, you never know! I join with SJF: I do judge, and blame AB for topping himself, and Robin Williams, and Chris… Read more »

marelius
marelius
3 years ago

@walawala said “No woman can make you whole or “complete” you.” Of course, this is a basic tenet of RP and TRM. But what about the other way ’round? When your LTR says she believes there is a “soulmate” out there, or at the very least, someone willing to consistently put her above themselves (WK/chivalry), but YOU aren’t exhibiting those characteristics, so it clearly isn’t YOU. Of course it won’t be you, or me, or anyone, as we are RP aware. But my question is this – Do you think she really believes it, and is still searching for her… Read more »

Wild Man
Wild Man
3 years ago

SJF – the terms “egalitarian inter-sexual equalism”, and “non-equalist, complementary polarity” – you need to do a better job of defining your meanings. I have made my definitions clear. To wit: Do you mean by egalitarian, in keeping with original definitions, by way of the enlightenment ideas, …. that humans share similarities that therefore allow for opportunities for cooperation, and that what one does with one’s personal circumstance, inclusive of the quality of human similarity, can lead to ‘merit’, the idea that better outcomes can be had, both individually and collectively, by way of more virtuous operation of said similarities?… Read more »

Wild Man
Wild Man
3 years ago

“You started with a false premise. It’s not compelling and a man should not get lost in there…”

The first premise was that the BPD personality resource is vast (yet inconsistent and therefore capricious). That’s where I started. So ….. is that first premise, where I actually started (unlike your false observation), false?

Wild Man
Wild Man
3 years ago

“Fuck Darwin”

Blax – you be joking – right? But if not ….. what do you prescribe to then, to explain how we got from there to here? You a creationist or something?

Blaximus
Blaximus
3 years ago

Awalt by degree. Depending on how a girl is raised into adulthood, some can hold onto fantasies because life hasn’t ground it out of them. This is a pitfall of the ” you can have it all ” drivel spewed by the FI and gleefully cosigned by broader society in all aspects. You’re speshul because your female, and females rock. Some.chicks wake up. The one’s that stay I princess more are fewer in number as life and men, whether purposely or by accident, crush delusions and fantasies. This is not a bad thing. This is life as we’ve designed it… Read more »

Wild Man
Wild Man
3 years ago

“Quests for any “holy grail” are a fools errand.”

Hahaha! Roused – what quest brings you here?

marelius
marelius
3 years ago

Wildman a search at the top of the page for “egalitarian equalism” will yield links to many of Rollo’s prior posts. Clearly you have not bothered to read any of them, or you would already know why SJF used the phrase. Consequently, you are completely missing SJFs points, talking right past him with more word salad, but worst of all you are completely disregarding Rollo’s insights, even while falsely claiming that you and he are largely on the same page. How can you even know that if you haven’t bothered to read the posts that contain some of Rollo’s most… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
3 years ago

Wildman

I assume you’ve read most of Darwin’s ” theories “. If so, it’s apparent why I’ve always found his work to be completely full of shit.

I say ” prove it ” .

As for what I subscribe to, I’ve been alive 57 years. It’s not important how we ” got here ” for me. People can speculate and theorize and navel gaze, but it changes nothing at all. Evolution or creation of women drink free before 5 pm, makes no difference.

Besides, Charlie wasn’t the first to have a theory. He just has the best publicity.

SJF
SJF (@sjf)
3 years ago

@Uncle Fred Flange Synchronicity: I was just reviewing the concepts of Welcome to the Monkey House and Harrison Bergeron yesterday. Go figure. On one hand, because of Wild Man’s trying to re-write common and accepted definitions, and on the other hand, because of the hand of Married and LTR Red Pill Game. And in the latter, the good that Red Pill practice does for the relationship, the man, the women and their children (and how a man feels on Father’s Day…). via Wikipedia, WTTMH, : Egalitarianism In the case of “Welcome to the Monkey House,” this fake moralism is imposed… Read more »

Incubus_Rising
Incubus_Rising
3 years ago

I don’t understand why do experienced people here indulge in the stupidity of the trolls who come here with no intention to learn, by trying to argue with them with reason and logic. It has been the same trend for the last few posts. The comments start of as a productive exchange of ideas and then the conversation is hijacked by trolls with utter nonsense. I appreciate that Rollo likes to leave the comments section unmoderated, but this nonsensical exchange of verbiage is not productive at all. There are a lot of readers like me who don’t comment much, but… Read more »

Wild Man
Wild Man
3 years ago

marelius – I have already taken issue with Rollo’s use of the term ‘egalitarian equalism’. Perhaps Rollo could answer the questions I put to SJF above, on that topic.

marelius
marelius
3 years ago

Blax, most of my experiences align with your comments and observations, with the exception of the soulmate myth. I have met several who still cling to this ideal – hypocritically, mind you – even though they themselves have “settled”.

Looking through RP lenses, I have seen through this, and have my theories about what keeps a woman clinging to this belief. I am interested in hearing what this community thinks might be the motives behind the behaviors and thoughts of a woman who does still cling to this.

Wild Man
Wild Man
3 years ago

“I assume you’ve read most of Darwin’s ” theories “. If so, it’s apparent why I’ve always found his work to be completely full of shit.”

Blax – Darwin informs Rollo’s perspective. Maybe take your criticism, of Darwin, up with Rollo then.

Lovejoy
Lovejoy
3 years ago

All these diagnoses of women’s potential mental issues is a waste of time, they are all basically empty vessels that fill to fit the man of the moment. Some are more empty than others and love bombing is their way of attempting to fill up the void. Thirsty men are very susceptible and the love bombing generates oneitis. Suicide in the case of Guys like Bourdain is the death of dreams, Cyanide of the Soul.

Cult-I-Vader
Cult-I-Vader
3 years ago

@walawala hmmm, taking issue if one claims to be “natural alpha”. No problem. Please excuse the self-qualification. It comes with the territory when you could care less of any one else’s estimations. Can’t get past the evidence…wake early, sober by choice, build shit, DGAF, chicks dig the style, have many options, winning at whatever, complete independence, confidence, skills, and still accumulating…. If one is queasy about another claiming to be natural alpha or anything else that brims with self confidence, one might examine their own self confidence. I have no qualms about making self evaluations. Perhaps those uncomfortable with one… Read more »

Wild Man
Wild Man
3 years ago

“Wild Man’s trying to re-write common and accepted definitions,”

No. Wrong. Answer the questions with regards to your use of those definitions please.

“If your sexual partner is behaving badly, don’t you think you should not think so much and just fuck some sense into her? Like Billy the Poet? For her own good?”

Sure. If the behavior is informed by genuine alpha attitude, as I have spelled out here.

Blaximus
Blaximus
3 years ago

Wildman

Last thought.

Rollo has gone above and beyond Darwin and has pulled from many more sources. Rollo’s work isn’t ” theory “. Any man can test it today and see the validity immediately.

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
3 years ago

@Fred

Exactly.

There are guys who see a back built science (wildman) as the phenomenon itself then claim they can control the phenomenon.

Do I really need to know what a Calorie is? I’ll just eat when I’m hungry.

Pride goeth before the fall.

I’ll admit when playing in the world of science, cultue and morality it’s best to do speak their language to blend in and know what to avoid.

It’s why you n me could fake BP as Red Pilled, but Blue Pilled can’t fake RP (without image handlers like AB).

Wild Man
Wild Man
3 years ago

Blax – as far as I can tell Rollo uses evolutionary psychology concepts because he not only believes that evolution is a concept that describes actual processes, but furthermore, he believes that one aspect of the evolutionary dynamic is the power to shape minds and psyches. I concur.

Walawala
Walawala
3 years ago

@Marelius. Regarding females and their “soulmate” belief just go with it. This is the cornerstone of game. Tease her about it, disqualify yourself as that possible soulmate to get her chasing…rinse and repeat

fleezer
fleezer
3 years ago

“But for the last few posts I don’t even want to get into the comments section because it is an absolute waste of time to go through hundreds of nonsensical comments to find one comment that is actually relevant to the original post.” real time example of how to kill a productive group got a list somewhere, but there’s like eight or nine solid proven ways to kill good threads if sabotage is his goal, he is winning that said, censorship kills good work even faster fuck censorship fuck thread killers fuck that guy. he must be very good at… Read more »

marelius
marelius
3 years ago

Wildman, I think I’ve got some insight about you for therest of us… “Narcissistic personalities care only for themselves, their needs and their priorities. While you and I appreciate attention, the narcissist craves it and manipulates people and situations to get it. While you and I work hard to be successful, the narcissistic personality connives to succeed and may cheat, lie, embellish the truth or scheme to get ahead, uncaring of how others are affected.” I think this quite accurately describes your style of “argument” exhibited in your protestations you call posts. Your narcissistic attempts at redirecting the “work” that… Read more »

marelius
marelius
3 years ago

Thanks Walawala – thats the nugget I need.

marelius
marelius
3 years ago

Palma your math is off – if its a total of 1% of the population, and it occurs 4 times more often in women, and women number slightly more than men, then that says that its just over 1.6% of all women, and just under 0.4% of all men have HPD

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
3 years ago

Darwin has precious little meaningful to say about evolutionary psychology that benefits us. It’s a tortoise-level thing.

The only reason we’re talking about evo-psych in this fashion is some asshole Darwin eugenist type decided long ago it’s in your personal best interest (and their financial and social and control) to fuck with the genetic and social codes, so much so that what we consider natural now isn’t. What could go wrong?

Wildman, Feel free equating yourself to the common iguana. You’ll be much easier to skin than the rest of us.

Cult-I-Vader
Cult-I-Vader
3 years ago

BPD chicks are simply chicks who have prevailed in far too many shit tests. They obviously have never had a real man who can let their shit slough off and run down the gutter where it belongs. It is known they can be fun and frolicky. Leave it at that, and leave before the borderline closes in. No need to hang around for social pleasantries. Just take of business with her and get on with yours. Just imagine the frustration of a bitch who goads men to physical confrontation when all she wants is a man who gets it and… Read more »

Wild Man
Wild Man
3 years ago

“may cheat, lie, embellish the truth or scheme to get ahead, uncaring of how others are affected” I’ve never lied here, cheated here, or embellished the truth here. I do care (in the more abstract way) how others are affected, but once again more or less in the non-personal sense, the offering of goodwill sense …. the ‘to know’ sense. But I don’t give one shit about anybody’s feelz here, beyond the informational aspect of that. I don’t really ‘care’, in the personal sense, at all about how you feel, but nevertheless I do appreciate ‘knowing’ how you feel. Why… Read more »

Wild Man
Wild Man
3 years ago

“The only reason we’re talking about evo-psych in this fashion is some asshole Darwin eugenist type decided long ago it’s in your personal best interest (and their financial and social and control) to fuck with the genetic and social codes, so much so that what we consider natural now isn’t. What could go wrong?” Look I’m gonna try again so hopefully you will finally get it. Ths eugenist type thing you are referring to, I think by that, you probably mean ‘the progenitors of the FI’ – right? And that has been promoted in academia for sure. But by all… Read more »

marelius
marelius
3 years ago

Wildman, you prove my point, again and again. First you appear to sincerely ask us how we feel about this or that pet ideology/theory/altered definition of yours, as if you truly care about, and give credence to, our opinions and life experiences. But when we respond with some sort of challenge to your pets, or worse, to your underlying premise(s), you take offense, and begin shooting the messenger(s). Rather than see our comments as valid expressions of our opinions – as the way each of us might be seeing the interactions unfolding – and trying to gain clarity and understanding… Read more »

marelius
marelius
3 years ago

Wildman – a polemic narcissist. (Yeah, I’m bored at work)

kfg
kfg
3 years ago

” . . . you probably mean ‘the progenitors of the FI’ – right?”

Jeeeeeeeeezus!

Wild Man
Wild Man
3 years ago

“it is clear that the opinion of others is of no value to you” WRONG!!! hahaha! OK – I couldn’t resist (too much fun, give the context marelius). “because to have alpha mastery of any given social interaction, one must regard accurately the nature of those with which we find ourselves interacting ” RIGHT!!! (that was fun too – and you are of course right, and more or less agreeing with me, it seems to me). So what gives – eh? Well, I think the tell is in your linking statement: “Maybe it would be more accurate to say that… Read more »

Wild Man
Wild Man
3 years ago

“Jeeeeeeeeezus!”

kfg – Let Eh speak for himself, unless you happen to know that Eh meant something different than ‘the progenitors of the FI’, by “some asshole Darwin eugenist type”, which I asked him to clear up if I am mistaken.

Or alternatively do you mean, by you disagreement, that ‘the progenitors of the FI’ is not the same as the ‘postmodernists’?

fleezer
fleezer
3 years ago

“I am expecting others here to act with abstract non-personal regard, for themselves first and foremost, and therefore for others as well. Is that too much to ask for here?”

i hope you get hit by a bus

Wild Man
Wild Man
3 years ago

“i hope you get hit by a bus”

Hahaha! Asshole it is then.

marelius
marelius
3 years ago

What pisses me off is that you refuse to engage meaningfully with the challenges to your positions, so as to advance the dialog. You simply ignore the challenges, twist them so as to be in agreement with you, or denounce them as unworthy or irrelevant.

Meaningful engagement among posters is the implied contract that results in value to all. Your utter disregard for that implied obligation is the basis for my accusation of narcissism, and is probably also at the root of others’ animosity towards you as well.

marelius
marelius
3 years ago

I don’t give a shit about your regard for my feelings. I give a shit about your disregard for my thoughts.

SJF
SJF (@sjf)
3 years ago

“I am expecting others here to act with abstract non-personal regard, for themselves first and foremost, and therefore for others as well. Is that too much to ask for here?”

Most certainly because it flies on the face of everything Red Pill stands for.

As such, you are willingly Spamming and ignorantly trolling to Buffer whatever is preventing your state of not making a run for release from constraint. In medicine we used to call that state as having a high epidydimal wedge pressure.

kfg
kfg
3 years ago

” . . . .do you mean, by you disagreement, that ‘the progenitors of the FI’ is not the same as the ‘postmodernists’?”

Jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeezus!

” In the eukaryotic fossil record, sexual reproduction first appeared by 1.2 billion years ago in the Proterozoic Eon.” -Nicholas J. Butterfield, “Bangiomorpha pubescens n. gen., n. sp.: implications for the evolution of sex, multicellularity, and the Mesoproterozoic/Neoproterozoic radiation of eukaryotes”

Centuries
3 years ago


@Marelius. Regarding females and their “soulmate” belief just go with it. This is the cornerstone of game. Tease her about it, disqualify yourself as that possible soulmate to get her chasing…rinse and repeat
Thanks Walawala – thats the nugget I need.”

As long a she is not a cluster B, then you may need to formulate an exit plan asap.

rugby11
3 years ago
SJF
SJF (@sjf)
3 years ago

Don’t gloss yourself so flippantly. Being an asshole on an honor group of men doesn’t hold the same value as being an asshole in inter-sexual dealing with women. Not that an egalitarian equalist can tell the difference though.

Blaximus
Blaximus
3 years ago

LOL @ ” hit by a bus “.

newlyaloof
3 years ago

@Wildman,

You are debating generalities with other men on this page instead of debating your specific FRs on the field report page. There’s your problem and your solution.

Waffles
Waffles
3 years ago

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Wild Man
Wild Man
3 years ago

“I don’t give a shit about your regard for my feelings. I give a shit about your disregard for my thoughts.”

What is your conception of alpha?

Wild Man
Wild Man
3 years ago

“Most certainly because it flies on the face of everything Red Pill stands for.”

Then you haven’t understood even the first principles of redpill then.

ollieoxenfree1
3 years ago

I do sympathise with Bourdain’s plight. A man who made his fame and fortune, through following his passion. Isn’t a man to question them. I can’t recall the article in which Blue Pill Idealism is fully explored on the Rational Male, to the point where I sat in front of my laptop and could no longer affix meaning to the words on the screen. To my way of thinking, blue pill idealism is the name for a fundamental, personal defect. I knew was present. Though had no hope of identifying by my own wit. It wasn’t until some months later… Read more »

Wild Man
Wild Man
3 years ago

“Don’t gloss yourself so flippantly. Being an asshole on an honor group of men doesn’t hold the same value as being an asshole in inter-sexual dealing with women. Not that an egalitarian equalist can tell the difference though.”

I’m not an asshole though.

Wild Man
Wild Man
3 years ago

What does: “In the eukaryotic fossil record, sexual reproduction first appeared by 1.2 billion years ago in the Proterozoic Eon.” -Nicholas J. Butterfield, “Bangiomorpha pubescens n. gen., n. sp.: implications for the evolution of sex, multicellularity, and the Mesoproterozoic/Neoproterozoic radiation of eukaryotes” have to do with anything? , within the context of: “The only reason we’re talking about evo-psych in this fashion is some asshole Darwin eugenist type decided long ago it’s in your personal best interest (and their financial and social and control) to fuck with the genetic and social codes, so much so that what we consider natural… Read more »

Wild Man
Wild Man
3 years ago

“You are debating generalities with other men on this page”

I am debating redpill theortetics, in order to sharpen concepts. Isn’t that what this page is for?

Wild Man
Wild Man
3 years ago

“Not that an egalitarian equalist can tell the difference though”

You still haven’t defined that term by way of the usual definitions of ‘egalitarian’ and ‘equalist’ (by these usual definitions, the double term is very hard to make any sense of, like I have already pointed out to you). Please provide your clarification on that matter before using the term any more. Lest the ‘word salad’ handle and all that.

FACT
FACT
3 years ago

Asia Argento is DEGENERATE FILTH !

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
3 years ago

Wildman: TRM own Kathy Newman

Kfg: The FI has always been and will be.

Wildman: So if what your saying in context of Alpha as Alpha the FI finds it’s preeminent attraction and in further context Alpha (non psychopathic type) behaviors are most valued in information gathering and further knowledge aggregation (which I am attempting to prove within my comments), then we agree, yes? Furthermore your comments align with my long repeated contention that Eh and SJF are bothersome obstructionists, eh? In that we all agree, of course.

SJF
SJF (@sjf)
3 years ago

“The proof of this was evident not so long ago. The arousal process follows a simple script; indicator of interest, increased heart rate, idealised imagery and purpose. The only part of that list, present today, is the indicator of interest. The rest is either temporarily or permanently gone.” So what you are saying is that you think it is acceptable to put your purpose and mission in external hands, no matter What? So what you are saying is that pussy-begging is acceptable to you? So what you are saying is that you see no value in your core Being? That… Read more »

Wild Man
Wild Man
3 years ago

Eh – you comment: “So if what your saying in context of Alpha as Alpha the FI finds it’s preeminent attraction and in further context Alpha (non psychopathic type) behaviors are most valued in information gathering and further knowledge aggregation (which I am attempting to prove within my comments), then we agree, yes? Furthermore your comments align with my long repeated contention that Eh and SJF are bothersome obstructionists, eh? In that we all agree, of course.” OK – I appreciate the attempt now, at trying to understand what I am saying. You got it partly right, but it still… Read more »

kfg
kfg
3 years ago

“What does: . . . have to do with anything? , within the context of: . . .”

If I wasn’t happy with where my goal post was I would have moved it myself.

Lovejoy
Lovejoy
3 years ago

Studies state 25% of women are on mood altering drugs of one sort or another, most over 40 are dealing with peri menopause and all the crazy that goes with that…Add Hypergamy to the mix and you might as well not worry about personality disorders, it’s hardwired in. Women stay until they feel they have in their own minds a better option. It is what it is until it isn’t.

Sentient
Sentient
3 years ago

meanwhile… the grief stricken, 10 days later…

do…

this…

https://www.instagram.com/p/BkPpm8RHes6/?hl=en&taken-by=asiaargento

Ah hell his body’s burned now anyway…

Wild Man
Wild Man
3 years ago

“If I wasn’t happy with where my goal post was I would have moved it myself.”

Context?

Centuries
3 years ago

@Lovejoy

And add to that the piercing cognitive dissonance of having been sold a bill of goods regarding career over family and having kids, that manifests itself at this age….if only the hamster wheel could be harnessed as a perpetual motion machine….

Wild Man
Wild Man
3 years ago

Funny pic Sentient. ” I am woman here me roar” pose.

Somebody dies and it’s all about the ‘grieving’ woman. And that’s the usual way. She is probably saying thinks like ‘Anthony wouldn’t want me to suffer in this darkest hour. He would want me to hold my head high’ and shit like that. Too funny. I know it’s sad and all, but also … it’s this human nature thing ….. funny … because what else would you expect, except by matters of degree.

kfg
kfg
3 years ago

“@Wild Man: “Context?”

You’ll find it in Balzac.

theasdgamer
3 years ago

Part of the fun of the game is moving the goalposts so subtly that no one realizes that they have been moved for a considerable time. Of course, you call out anyone else attempting to move the goalposts.

It’s called Weasel Game.

Playdontpay
Playdontpay
3 years ago

My takeaway from this essay is reaffirmation that “Alpha is a mindset not a demographic”. RT. Situational Alpha ; he is until he isn’t. “Naturals” he is until he succumbs to oneitis/betatisation and/or ages badly, if there was little substance beyond their genetic fortune that gave them confidence attained from a positive reinforcement feedback loop. Game over! Only men who internalise and live a life of being their own mental point of origin will come out the other side of life’s trials and inevitable setbacks with their “Alphaness” intact. AB was a pussy! He could have used the experience to… Read more »

The Silver FoX
The Silver FoX
3 years ago

@ Marelius “If she is really of the belief that a soulmate exists then perhaps she is truly unaware of her own true nature?” In my experience i have observed this to be true. My best female friend (who i work in a creative project with who i have never sexually desired) is like this. She’s cool and trustworthy, but her solipsism is incredible at times. Fuck, she’s pissed me off at times with her female bullshit, totally denying things she has said or done, then trying to blame me! It’s hard not to yell at her and lose my… Read more »

The Silver FoX
The Silver FoX
3 years ago

@ Cult-I-Vader “If one is queasy about another claiming to be natural alpha or anything else that brims with self confidence, one might examine their own self confidence. I have no qualms about making self evaluations. Perhaps those uncomfortable with one who states their obvious accomplishment, are perfectly settled in their own lowly self estimation that reduces themselves to Beta chum (p). Alcoholics are especially delusional about self evaluation. One must get over the Beta, FI, enforced modesty. Besides, alcoholics and has-been men are notoriously loud in self proclamations and all sort of exaggeration…” So, so true, man. Excellent reflections… Read more »

The Silver FoX
The Silver FoX
3 years ago

@ fleezer “fuck that guy. he must be very good at what he does because i don’t think i’ve ever wanted to punch somebody through the screen as much as i do him not because of what he types, but because of how fucking much he types and how it deters me from wanting to productively engage and the worst part is it don’t appear to be cut and paste. he actually touching the keyboard for all of it…” I just totally ignore Wild Man (he really should have a new, more appropriate moniker). Don’t know why so many of… Read more »

mersonia
3 years ago

The LARP’ers are in full effect here…..

Blaximus
Blaximus
3 years ago

Insert laughing Idris Elba gif >>>>here

SJF
SJF (@sjf)
3 years ago

“The LARP’ers are in full effect here…..” Heh, says someone that doesn’t even contribute anything at all here…. “Don’t know why so many of y’all engage with his trolling.” Riders on the Storm. Cause his brain is squirming like a toad. An exception that proves the rules of Red Pill. He could well be a girl standing for the sisterhood. When mice, chipmunks, groundhogs, and raccoons are afield, are they best ignored? I actually saw a toad today while clearing brush at my farm. He seemed pretty calm. And didn’t interfere with my brush clearing. He seemed like a nice… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
3 years ago

Wild Person
I am expecting others here to act with abstract non-personal regard, for themselves first and foremost, and therefore for others as well.

Is that abstract egalitarian equalist non-personal regard, or equalist abstract egalitarian non-personal regard? I’m sure you are aware there is a difference…

rugby11
3 years ago
ollieoxenfree1
3 years ago

@SFJ

If you reread my post, you’ll note I suggested nothing of the kind.

Blue pill ideals are the little lies we tell ourself in order to make life more palatable.
When two people meet, each has to have a reason for investing in the relationship. Any returns on investment are to be realised at a future date. The concept of these returns is the lie we require, to invest in the here and now.

We all do it. I’m just tireder than most.

mersonia
3 years ago

“Heh, says someone that doesn’t even contribute anything at all here….”

Saying nothing is 1000% better than spreading disinformation and little stupid theories that you strung together from books and can’t be proven.

Not Born This Morning
Not Born This Morning
3 years ago

Lots of feigned hysterical indignation in the MSM concerning illegal immigrant children being separated from their parents. But no concern fake or not about half of all American children being separated from their fathers by women and the courts. Does anyone understand the origin of the word parent. It starts with the letter P, like the word paternal, like the word patriarchy. It does not start with the letter M, like the word maternal or matriarchy. There is a reason for this. Paternal instinct is primarily to the male. Parenting, especially discipline, the rational aspect of it is best provided… Read more »

Not Born This Morning
Not Born This Morning
3 years ago

This is why we don’t call it “marenting”

SJF
SJF (@sjf)
3 years ago

“Saying nothing is 1000% better….”

Oh Really Now? Tell Us More.

The old: “You’re doing it wrong, but I’m sworn to secrecy, or lazy, or selfish, so I’m not going to tell you the right-way-to-do-it trick?”

Good One.

having a bad day
having a bad day
3 years ago

@Incubus_Rising I don’t understand why do experienced people here indulge in the stupidity of the trolls who come here with no intention to learn, by trying to argue with them with reason and logic. you are missing the point here… arguing (successfully i might add… not ‘trying’…lol… the trolls aren’t the only audience for the exchange…) with reason and logic is HOW you expose that stupidity…lol… and note that every man arguing/trying to get through that boundary layer of BP/FI troll-shield is on the same page… and THAT is the actual point of that exercise… lead by example, yo!…lol It… Read more »

Chazz Reinhold
Chazz Reinhold
3 years ago

Looks like this guy was destined to fall. The look of his eyes. Tortured. Some ppl are born that way. Messed up from the start (and that may propell some of them to professionally success also).

Mr. Roboto
Mr. Roboto
3 years ago

@Rollo Your story about your dad and the “cookie lady” broke my heart because I have an uncle that is in the same situation. My uncle “Robert” was a very good looking guy when young but also a hopeless Beta. He married at 23 with a post-wall BPD feminist several years older than him. After a decade of marriage, he got cuckolded and divorce raped. Then he played captain save a hoe and married a single mom, he had two kids with her, but she has never ever loved him, she only sees him as a walking wallet. Now old,… Read more »

SJF
SJF (@sjf)
3 years ago

Re: Cookie Lady, This was in Google News: Instead of you clicking on the clickbait link and getting 46 cookies boogers, I’ll just cut and paste. https://www.marketwatch.com/story/my-new-wife-wanted-to-live-with-me-for-free-even-though-she-had-800000-in-the-bankso-i-asked-her-to-move-out-2018-06-14 My new wife wanted to live with me for free, even though she had $800,000 in the bank—so I asked her to move out Published: June 20, 2018 8:43 a.m. ET By QUENTIN FOTTRELL PERSONAL FINANCE EDITOR Dear Moneyist, My wife and I got married at 63. We are the same age. She was debt free. Her parents bought her everything, forever. She made $30,000 per year after quitting a job as a… Read more »

Wild Man
Wild Man
3 years ago

habd – ‘troll’ vs.’ arguing with reason and logic’. It’s all in the perspective, the ‘worldview’, how somebody gonna perceive an exchange. You seem to get that. OK – so, … you value arguing with reason and logic (as do I), probably as Rollo does (thus the ‘Rational Male’ moniker) yet you perceive what I have said as “stupidity”, and “utter nonsense”. OK – I already know that is how I am generally perceived here (that’s so abundantly clear, yet with no counter-arguing with reason and logic, as far as I can tell, that …… well, makes me wonder about… Read more »

rugby11
3 years ago

This is a great conversation

O.B.I.T.
O.B.I.T.
3 years ago

Great job Rollo, casting light on yet another crucial stage-of-life issue.

On Father’s Day I offered up a few thoughts on my own dad — lived an incredible life but was always frustrated in love. The good-guy old-school blue-pill outlook was his Acilles heel. He lived much longer than your dad and remained quite sharp, but even so there can be a gnawing emotional hole.

Some powerful personal stories here. Interesting how many 63-year-old guys are popping up in this particular comment thread.

rugby11
3 years ago

“In Positive Masculinity I stressed the importance of Red Pill aware men being mentors for boys and younger men and helping to raise them out of the influences of the Feminine Imperative’s Village, but I think it’s going to be important to mentor and protect the interests of older men as they age in a Blue Pill mindset and become Red Pill aware.”

Women hunting men as they age?

Blaximus
Blaximus
3 years ago

Wild I thought about trying to help define ” alpha “, but I’m not up to that task. Lots of confusion. Discussions will always lead back to some heartiste links on the subject, or declarations that any man who’s not banging a 20 year old….in the ass or something….isn’t alpha.😂😂 So I conclude that there will never be a viable description found in the comments. Rollo said in e something to the effect that men try to define alpha so as to include their particular behaviors. Yup. Admonitions that 50 year old men must behave as 20 year old men.… Read more »

Wild Man
Wild Man
3 years ago

Blax – yes – I appreciate what you are saying. There are a million ways to get it wrong. And personal bias (like you indicated Rollo insinuated) is always gonna be an issue. Yet I don’t accept we cannot obtain better descriptions (‘better’ as proxy for ‘viable’, for the time being anyways – not a bad way to go – yes?).

Blaximus
Blaximus
3 years ago

You’re not going to get that here.

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