Big Fish

It’s likely readers here have been following my twitter threads about the Anthony Bourdain suicide and I’ve been discussing the particulars about his death on Pat Campbell’s show and the Red Man Group for almost 2 weeks now. As readers know I’ve personally dealt with two suicides under circumstances  like this and I’ve picked apart dozens more over the years I’ve been writing. I’ve got a pretty good idea why old Beta guys off themselves.

But the Beta part is only one aspect of the story. Anthony being a ‘paper alpha’ is certainly an aspect too, but the more I dig into the background of the “love of his life”, Asia Argento, the more the puzzle pieces fit together. This bitch was a piece of work. If you watched the Red Man Group last Saturday I explained why I don’t think she was a BPD case (borderline personality disorder), but after reading this thread I’m beginning to change my mind:

So, she’s a witch. A literal witch, and all of her ‘sisterhood’ are witches are too. You can digest that however you feel is necessary, but this is a 42 year old woman who practices literal witchcraft – which is an extension of feminism with a pagan spiritual  woo woo magical thinking whipped into the mix. I really need to do a more expansive post on Chick Crack soon.

But, even this isn’t what I want to confront you with. What I want to raise your awareness to is something I’ve never really had an occasion to explore until now; Anthony Bourdain was a very big fish.

Anthony Bourdain (AB) was a long term, life-long, Beta. He was every bit of what I call a ‘terminal Beta‘. Yes, he had the Bad Boy thing working for him and if you want to get a more complete idea about his past Black Label Logic has a great piece on his blog you really ought to read. But, with respect to Bourdain’s understanding of intersexual dynamics he was very much a Beta.

People immediately gave me shit for naming him such. That was expected. He’s Anthony-fucking-Bourdain and I’m just some “half-assed self-published Red Pill writer, what the fuck do I know, right?” Well, I knew enough to recognize the profile of a Contextual Alpha who’d been plugged into his Blue Pill conditioning for 61 years and the huge mark he put on himself by being so publicly co-dependent on the idea of the soul mate myth. Anthony had been through 2 wives. The most recent one cheated on him with her MMA fighter / personal trainer he no doubt was paying to “train” his soon-to-be ex wife. I have no doubt AB would’ve attempted to lock down Asia Argento because this is what overly possessive, perpetually mate guarding Beta men do when a woman approaches his “dream girl” ideal. His social media was rife with declarations about how happy he was to have finally met his ‘kindred spirit’ soul mate (and self-avowed Wiccan) Asia Argento. AB sincerely believed his ship had come in. The woman who would finally complete him (this time) was at last in his life.

In every Instagram image, every Tweet, AB was gushing about how he’d never been happier as he cuddled with Asia like a boy who loves his mother. Intermixed with these images were many others with him in classic possessive-Beta encroaching posture – interposing arms like an affectionate headlock, while she looked away wistfully, or directly at the camera with the look of a woman who knows the Beta she’s with is deadweight to her Hypergamy.

Big Fish and the Cookie Lady

There is a larger dynamic at play in all this, one I probably could add an addendum to in my second book, Preventive Medicine. An aging Beta male, and particularly one with a notable amount of money, success, fame or status is a big fish for a necessitous woman. A woman who’s long practiced in using her sexual agency to its best advantage with men knows a prime target in an older man who’s never unplugged himself from his Blue Pill conditioning. Bourdain was one such big fish, and his Blue Pill conditioning, his eager white knighting and immediate deference to the feminine, his soul mate idealism would’ve been instantly recognizable to a 42 year old woman long accustomed to being the center of orbit for many a prior Beta.

I don’t want to call it an epidemic, but there is a set of women who look for aging men with resources to befriend and pretend they have a genuine interest in. Men with even moderate means and a Blue Pill conditioned idealism that ‘love springs eternal’ are prime targets for women who can read and assess that man’s state from years of practice. A woman who shows interest in a man who’s been starved for affection, sex and a real connection with a woman (married or not) will seem like more than an oasis in the desert. She’ll appeal to his romantic, idealistic Beta soul; a last chance at ‘true happiness’, a true miracle, as he enters his old age.

My own father was one such target for a woman we called the ‘cookie lady’.

My dad passed away from complications of Alzheimer’s/dementia before he was 72, but before his dementia had really become apparent the ‘cookie lady’ had already made a mark of my dad. My father was also what I’ve called a terminal Beta. He never unplugged to his dying day and lived a life based on the old set of books, being a good provider, dutiful, responsible and he was perpetually disappointed by the women in his life never reciprocating with their intimacy and appreciation the ‘rules’ clearly stated should happen. They never loved him in the way he thought women ought to be capable of loving him. Nevertheless, dad always clung to the (noble?) belief that if he saved his pennies and was of the highest service to women that eventually, one day, his efforts and quality would be appreciated by the right woman. He was a good example of the Savior Schema.

The ‘cookie lady’ understood all of this – all of dad’s Blue Pill conditioning, the way he thought the world and women should work, the old social contract investments, his idealism about women, everything – all of it in less than a week. She really wasn’t all that different from my step-mother in that respect, but at this late in the game, at her age, and noticing the subtle hints of cognitive degeneration in dad, the stakes were much higher for her long term security. I should also add that I would include my own mother in this schema; she’s a lovable loon, but she knew a good opportunity for security back in the 60s, so it may be my father had a knack for attracting this type of woman due to his Blue Pill idealism.

The reason we called this woman the ‘cookie lady’ was because she always brought my dad fresh baked cookies when she was trying to play into his Blue Pill end-of-life last ditch hope for happiness. We never knew her real name and if it hadn’t been for my dad getting very upset with us for preventing him from rewriting the ‘cookie lady’ into his will and power of attorney within the first month of her ‘dropping by’ we may very well have been suckered into her scam too.

Respect Your Elders

It was this incident that opened up a whole new understanding of the Red Pill and intersexual dynamics for me. I think it may be important going forward in Red Pill awareness to consider how intersexual dynamics and the Feminine Imperative affect generations of older men. My brother and I had to really watch out for similar scams to take advantage of my dad’s condition and his Blue Pill mindset that was making him a target. It wasn’t until this incident that I did a bit of research to find out how common this scam really is. In a sense it’s one more angle on the ‘stripper effect’ for younger, desperate, men for whom the feigned attention of the stripper, the kino, the deferent concern, is more seductive than her sexuality. It feeds a deeper emptiness. In a young man, in an Incel, just the possibility for that connection can become an obsession. For an older man, who’s been starved of the same (in or out of marriage) for the better part of his life, it seems like a storybook ending all his Blue Pill conditioning told him was possible. And what would a man like that give for on last shot at that idealistic ‘love’?

When Will We Face the Facts about Suicide in Older Men?

The instance of elderly men’s suicide is something not too many people want to talk about. Much of what I’ve read about it throws out a lot of feminist boilerplate about how old masculine ideals are to blame, but as expected, it uses this ‘toxic’ masculinity narrative to cover the uglier truths. Most men are Betas. Most men spend their lives wondering why all the Blue Pill hopes they sincerely believe are possible just don’t happen for them. They blame themselves, or they blame others, but they never really unplug because their existence was centered on the certainty that Blue Pill dreams come true if they can just work on the relationship harder or they made more money or if they’d only met a more perfect ‘soul mate’ in the story that is their life.

Anthony Bourdain fit this profile to the letter. And while it may not have been Asia Argento’s conscious, forethought purpose to gravy-train him, his Blue Pill, Beta, perspective had to have been apparent to her. On some level of consciousness she knew he had the capacity for self-harm as an extension of this. It’s exactly why she pleaded to the paparazzi who photographed her on the streets of Rome with her far more Alpha lover Hugo Clement, not to publish the photos. For all the guilty foreshadowing from Rose McGowan trying to convince the public who adored Bourdain about their “relationship without borders”, the truth is deathly apparent that Bourdain’s idealism believed otherwise.

Asia Argento didn’t kill Anthony Bourdain, but in what she represented to his Blue Pill mind, her actions were the catalyst that prompted his suicide. Yes, he was depressed. Yes, maybe he was on Chantix (we’ll never know now that his body was cremated unceremoniously, without a toxicology screening and against his family’s wishes). Yes, he was a hard drinker, drug addict and had suicidal thoughts before (after his 2nd divorce), but he killed himself 3 days after the pictures of his “soul mate” and Hugo Clement were published.

I think the bigger lesson here is a wake up call for older men who are still plugged into the Blue Pill Matrix as well as those who’ve become Red Pill aware much later in life. I’m of the opinion that it’s never too late to unplug and live a Red Pill aware life, but I will concede it’s a lot to lay on a guy who’s lived most of his life plugged in. Looking back on decision after decision influenced by a Blue Pill conditioning, influenced by a set of rules you believed others were playing by and then seeing the results of those decisions and wreckage that followed. It’s one thing to be “awakened while married” when you’re in your early 40s, but it’s quite another to realize Red Pill truths when you’re 70 and maybe have another good 10 years to live if you took care of yourself. That’s a rough realization.

In Positive Masculinity I stressed the importance of Red Pill aware men being mentors for boys and younger men and helping to raise them out of the influences of the Feminine Imperative’s Village, but I think it’s going to be important to mentor and protect the interests of older men as they age in a Blue Pill mindset and become Red Pill aware.

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Mikey
Mikey
3 years ago

Cult-I-Vader
Milk is for baby cows, not for human children or especially men. It comes from female ruminant teets. It is formulated by nature to bring a calf from a hundred pounds to a thousand in a year.

That 1000 pound bull has so much muscle and aggression it could kill 20 unarmed men!!
“Formulated by nature “ to grow monsters!! I’ll keep drinking 3 L a day of my organic raw milk you keep drinking water my friend

having a bad day
having a bad day
3 years ago

@Wild Man As far as I can tell, what you guys say about alpha, more-or less (with the exception of SJF and Eh who got no clue as far as I can tell), is not so much different than what I am saying, except that you guys emphasize the effects and not the cause (as in the ’cause’ being the subtle nuance with respect to getting the mindset straight), which makes the discussion here almost schizophrenic like, (to my ears anyways). SJF and Eh get it just fine… those ‘effects’ ARE the point… which you keep glossing over… and everybody… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
3 years ago

Time for Wild Man to fuck off…

And Rollo having to click on images and videos to see what they are is a huge waste of time.

Sentient
Sentient
3 years ago

Test

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kfg
kfg
3 years ago

“Formulated by nature “ to grow . . .

. . . Bovinae, I like them. They grow monster killers.

Wild Man
Wild Man
3 years ago

habd – wow. So first you support ‘reason and logic’, and now you are saying no – it’s about the experience man – embrace that. I fucking hate that word ‘praxeology’. Go look up the ever-changing historical use of that word to get an idea about how it’s used as subterfuge against clear thought For crissakes if you mean ‘method’ then just say that. Methods are based on theories. You ever diagnose and fix a mechanical problem for fucksakes? Any guy has got to notice that methods are based on theories – or how the fuck can you even do… Read more »

Incubus_Rising
Incubus_Rising
3 years ago

@HABD: Thanks for addressing my comment and I appreciate your point of view. I have said this before, when I was new to this forum, I too had some strong opinions of how it “should be”. I would also get in the comments section and start my comment with “you are WRONG”. Other commenters would present their arguments against my points, and their arguments felt like an attack on the core beliefs my entire life was based up on. I did not agree with their points at first, but I did not continue to argue …. I went away and… Read more »

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
3 years ago

Wildman I see man no different than a car. Why don’t you guys just act like a car so I can fuck with your factory design?

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
3 years ago

What’s Alpha?

Wildman likens it to something definable, more at the animal realm. This human freewill and cognition thing fucks that up.

Wildman’s no closer than when he started, not for lack of trying, rather his superbeta necessary analysis paralysis that keeps him in his no risk, no reward life.

Safer that way. Posture online while incel off.

SJF
SJF (@sjf)
3 years ago

Here is some remedial homework for Wild Man: The Blue and Red Pill Theoretical Framework by Black Label Logic https://blacklabellogic.com/2016/11/03/the-blue-and-red-pill-theoretical-framework/ The intro: When I first returned to the manosphere after about a decade absence about a year ago and started reading around, I was surprised at how much it had changed. When I left it back in the early 2000s, what is now themed the manosphere, was composed largely by pick-up material often times focused on club game, or the likes. So when I found the Red Pill reddit, the blogs listed off it and started reading its contents, I… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
3 years ago

Wild Person
What is the subtle misunderstanding of Rollo’s writing that must be common here, that goes unchecked for some reason?

Surely that is a great mystery, a riddle worthy of the Sphinx, but wrapped in an enigma…

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
3 years ago

Fleezer: I hope you are hit by a bus. Wildman: In what context do you speak, fleezer? You agree with me then that RP has the metaphorical force of a bus and you’ve been hit too, yes? Is that our Alpha quest, to survive trauma? Or is is to notice the bus before it hits us and step aside? Is that Alpha, wisdom to gain immediate knowledge and acting upon it, eh? Perhaps some lesser beta will sacrifice his life for my life. Is that Alpha, others recognizing my value and throwing themselves in front of metaphorical or literal busses,… Read more »

Mr. Roboto
Mr. Roboto
3 years ago
j
j
3 years ago

Alpha is what a beta can’t do. (and don’t confuse soyboy for beta)

– Can a beta chop down trees? yeah
– Can a beta fix an engine? yeah
– Can a beta play high-impact sports? yeah
– Can a beta travel the world? yeah
– Can a beta have sex with girls? yeah….with average/ugly girls
– Can a beta be CEO of a company? yeah
– Can a beta get 6 packs? yeah
– Can a beta seduce and have hot desire sex from HB8s+ regularly? Hell no

rest my case

having a bad day
having a bad day
3 years ago

@Incubus_Rising But I am not convinced that this guy is here with an objective to learn. that’s the thing though… he might not consciously understand WHY he keeps coming back here to try to argue about ‘we don’t REALLY know…’…lol… but just his being on this blog at all is the deep seed of understanding that RP is true… (bc otherwise, he would go somewhere else on the vast interwebs…) and he is just running through his rolodex of problem-solving approaches to try to figure that shit out… the main problem is that those approaches that seem to work in… Read more »

Wild Man
Wild Man
3 years ago

Incubus_Rising – you say “He refuses to take responsibility for his failures in life and is trying to re-define “Alpha” to feel good about himself.” It’s comments like that , that are so pussy-like. Women say shit like that. The more femmy gay types say shit like that. Wtf failures are you talking about man? (of should I say whaman). Women and the more femmy gay guys got this tendency to make shit up about other people – so why is that such a constant thing here? You also say – “but I did look in the mirror and said… Read more »

j
j
3 years ago

@Wild

“how did he get that mindset”

He read a bunch of pickup shit online, then instead of spending his days arguing on the interwebz about “what is alpha” (i.e. not taking action), he actually stepped away from the keyboard and went out and applied what he read and talked to chicks 🙂

Wild Man
Wild Man
3 years ago

“but just his being on this blog at all is the deep seed of understanding that RP is true” habd – yes. Of course redpill is true. Of course that is why I am here. That’s obvious – no? “and he is just running through his rolodex of problem-solving approaches to try to figure that shit out… the main problem is that those approaches that seem to work in FI/BP-land, don’t work in reality (RP)… they are just cultural conventions where everybody else in the group agrees to say they believe the ‘non-reality’… and that doesn’t work here…lol” Take up… Read more »

Wild Man
Wild Man
3 years ago

“He read a bunch of pickup shit online, then instead of spending his days arguing on the interwebz about “what is alpha” (i.e. not taking action), he actually stepped away from the keyboard and went out and applied what he read and talked to chicks ” I never said that wasn’t a good method, as long as the guy takes care to ensure that his mindset is about knowing, but not caring. You know – like what she thinks or jedges about you is only important in the abstract sense – just so as to enable you to see the… Read more »

SJF
SJF (@sjf)
3 years ago

I already tested the Red Pill Praxeology (otherwise know by the synonym for it: What Works) and found that it works. It has worked very well. And my buddies tried it by doing. And it worked for them too. Go figure. So then I stopped theorizing (making up other alternative shit), Accepted that it works, and went about my purpose and mission with fieldwork. Not more thinking or theorizing. Doing. What am I doing? Not wanting or settling. Good, easy and healthy job, wife, kids, house, retirement fund, adventure, pursuits, hobbies, select good friends, good employees I put to work… Read more »

j
j
3 years ago

Jeeeezus (lol)….I sure hope you typed out that response on your smartphone, on your way to the bar to go talk to chicks 😉

boulderhead
3 years ago

@Wildthang Alpha is purely situational in any case,the odds of finding an across the board natural are minute. Game on the other hand captures the essence of alpha and exudes it. Natural alpha is like three boys climbing trees,the one that goes the highest is the alpha. This will change if while riding bikes another can do a longer wheelie or while fishing the other catches more fish. This is the recipe for natural alpha and is highly situational. Trained alpha happens in a more regimental environment under direct supervision,this is more likely to produce blue pill alpha through conditioning.… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
3 years ago

Here at TRM, Rollo has stated and restated numerous times that ” alpha ” is a mindset and not a demographic. I agree 100%. Yet guys insist on turning ” alpha ” into a demographic, even while agreeing with and quoting Rollo. What I’ve seen over the years is a lot of guys, too many in fact, concentrate with laser like focus on assholish, cad -like behaviors as indicating what a real alpha is. Every so often a commented will show up with butthurt and anger, and announce that he is now alpha because he now treats all women like… Read more »

theasdgamer
3 years ago

“you say “He refuses to take responsibility for his failures in life and is trying to re-define “Alpha” to feel good about himself.” It’s comments like that , that are so pussy-like. Women say shit like that. shaming…how feminine Women generally hamster emotionally and against reason to statements like that whereas men reason to statements like that…so your shaming attempt fails and you need to consider the statement. I’ve been dealing with two Gamer women about their complaints about my son in law…he accuses daughter Gamer of being controlling and manipulative, which is true, because he is doing a shitty… Read more »

Wild Man
Wild Man
3 years ago

SJF – look – your last comment there gets more to heart of the matter. You are focusing on effects (your life’s satisfactions), and maybe even mistaking the ‘effects’ for the ’cause’ (not sure – you would have to say more). Look – I’m not knocking ‘effects’. But I’m saying …. if you like the ‘effects’, what’s wrong with uncovering what the cause of those ‘effects’ are? There is nothing wrong with that and everything right about such an endeavor. Unless you are the superstitious type that is like – ‘I don’t want to jinx it so I’m not questioning’.… Read more »

SJF
SJF (@sjf)
3 years ago

Very well said Blaximus.

Wild Man
Wild Man
3 years ago

See – its a comment like that (Blax’s above) the reinforce my opinion of him that he gets it. He describes the birdseye view. You can’t have that view (I don’t think) without getting your mindset straight.

j
j
3 years ago

blue pill betas don’t fuck hot girls regularly. Get lucky one night? uh yeah sure: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxDFyn7FMgQ blue pill alphas (and I’m including strict puas with no Red Pill knowledge here)? yeah. sure. but then they get fucked over because they don’t know anything beyond fucking her in one night or they follow blue pill dating advice and get all needy and shit and then she fucks a True Alpha behind his back. (red pill knowledge + can fuck hot girls). can fuck hot girls + blue pill = blue pill alpha just being a red pilled aware man = internet… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
3 years ago

Look!!! My points sprang to life!!!!

😉

J

Keep living’ and learning my man.

Blaximus
Blaximus
3 years ago

J

Seriously though, I think part of the problem I have with the average TRM pronouncements of what qualifies as alpha ( always and only about ” women ” in the end ) , is that I had a different life experience. I’ve seen, over decades, beta men banging ” hot chicks ” as they please.

Guys seem to want to really believe that the chick they put their ducks into says something about them.

It does.

Shitty frame.

Sentient
Sentient
3 years ago

Betas absolutely fuck hot girls. Mostly in relationships. Social circles are mostly betas. Hot girls in social circles pair up with attractive betas. Many even marry them.

Betas don’t SNL hot girls or fuck them much outside of some relationship.

That’s about the difderence.

theasdgamer
3 years ago

I had a different life experience. I’ve seen, over decades, beta men banging ” hot chicks ” as they please. Has that been happening in the last ten years? blue pill alphas (and I’m including strict puas with no Red Pill knowledge here)? yeah. sure. but then they get fucked over because they don’t know anything beyond fucking her in one night or they follow blue pill dating advice and get all needy and shit and then she fucks a True Alpha behind his back. A girl isn’t likely to cheat on a real alpha. Maybe if he’s gone for… Read more »

Andrew Baer, M.D.
3 years ago

From a Quora answer I gave to a question about his death I believe I know why he killed himself. It has to do with his relationship with Asia Argento. However, before discussing this, since she exemplifies the evilest aspects of the feminist agenda, some other issues need be explored before getting into the specifics of Bourdain’s death. The world as I knew it is upside down. Women have turned into men and men into women. The true agenda of feminism and the LGBTQ community is the total emasculation and elimination of men, period. Suicide is but one way there.… Read more »

j
j
3 years ago

“Has that been happening in the last ten years?”

Exactly! I don’t see it. Fucking hot girls on their terms (relationship first, then sex) is beta as fuck.

“Guys seem to want to really believe that the chick they put their ducks into says something about them.”

Now if we’re talking the alpha way….fucking hot girls on your terms (sex first (SNL), then sex again, and again, then maybe relationship)…it says your good at seducing women

SJF
SJF (@sjf)
3 years ago

No worry about jinxs’ Wild Man. One thing I had to be trained to do and learn to do here on the manosphere is to rely more on universal truths for men. Not I did this, and you should too. Rollo is great at saying “don’t use him as an example” because there are too many variables for anyone out there. Too many different circumstances, assets and skills that anyone might possess. That being said, I’m unique, and as such I don’t rank as an example. I started with too many good assets and have had so few setbacks (and… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
3 years ago

Wild man “What I said was, for young guys, the way they get to alpha mindset, is by pressing hard on their world, getting out there and doing that in all sorts of ways, which takes a long time to do this , incorporate all this experimentation, and amalgamate all that into this fella’s own version of alpha.” I bet you will find those guys to posses dynamic, passionate and authentic traits… Blax “The dude pumping gas, the guy in sales, the CEO of a corporation, the garbage man, the hardcore crimminal thug, the spiritual seeking meditative guy, the gay… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
3 years ago

You see a “mindset” without actions is invisible…

Sentient
Sentient
3 years ago

J

“Exactly! I don’t see it. Fucking hot girls on their terms (relationship first, then sex) is beta as fuck.”

So you agree betas are fucking hot girls.

j
j
3 years ago

@Sentient

lol I said, I don’t see it, BUT fucking her on her terms IS beta as fuck….The only betas I see walking around in relationships are with average girls. Never seen a hot girl walking around with a beta male (only gay dudes)

mersonia
3 years ago

“Never seen a hot girl walking around with a beta male (only gay dudes)”

Credibility going downhill at an amazing rate

Sentient
Sentient
3 years ago

J

Are you fucking hot girls?

Do they have boyfriends?

Are these boyfriends Alpha?

lol

Sentient
Sentient
3 years ago

Go to any VIP table… Any brunch…

Filled with hot girls with beta guys that are being fucked by said hot girls…

Sentient
Sentient
3 years ago

Don’t forget

Alpha fucks and beta bucks are reproductive strategies

But the girl is getting dick in either case.

Hence REPRODUCTIVE strategies.

j
j
3 years ago

Damn shouldn’t have commented before heading out lol @mersonia Beta males walking around with hot girls = friendzoned orbiters. Who she is def not fucking. Gay guys walking around with hot girls = I see all over. Shopping, entering bars/clubs/museum. Hot girl being all lovey dovey around a beta male I don’t ever see. Dude is always alpha. @Sentient Upthread broski “blue pill alphas (and I’m including strict puas with no Red Pill knowledge here)? yeah. sure. but then they get fucked over because they don’t know anything beyond fucking her in one night or they follow blue pill dating… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
3 years ago

Not sure where j has been looking……

Sentient
Sentient
3 years ago

Or who he is fucking…

Blaximus
Blaximus
3 years ago

Ohh. I get what’s going on.

J automatically assumes guy just must be alpha I’d he’s with hot chick.

It’s about the women. They bestow alpha status.

….. In bizarro world.

Sentient
Sentient
3 years ago

“Hot girl being all lovey dovey around a beta male I don’t ever see.”

What’s that got to do with fucking?

SJF
SJF (@sjf)
3 years ago

Don’t know how Rollo’s new WordPress platform is handling Reddit links.

Found this relevant to the OP and the current fucked up (thanks to Wild Man) discussion thread.

https://www.reddit.com/r/marriedredpill/comments/8s1et4/the_universal_way_forward_you_get_the/

j
j
3 years ago

“What’s that got to do with fucking?”

Its a pretty good sign he’s getting desire sex from said hot girl!!!!

“– Can a beta seduce and have hot desire sex from HB8s+ regularly? Hell no”

But yeah hot girls tots fuck betas u win lol. I’m out!!

Sentient
Sentient
3 years ago

What does desire sex have to do with fucking?

Sentient
Sentient
3 years ago

Wrt betas.

Sentient
Sentient
3 years ago

Kind of ironic J your avatar is from the story of a beta fucking a hot girl who is fucking an alpha.

j
j
3 years ago

“Kind of ironic J your avatar is from the story of a beta fucking a hot girl who is fucking an alpha”

Whoa so are u saying alpha means guy being able to get hot desire sex from hot girls??

Don’t tell that to my man @blax! His post was inspirational!

Ok now I’m out

Blaximus
Blaximus
3 years ago

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Blaximus
Blaximus
3 years ago

Asd Over the last 10 years I’ve seen fewer observably beta guys with hawt chicks, but still enough to be statistically relevant. Sentient hit on something with the ” brunch ” comment before, and the social circle thing as well. If one is really looking, it can be seen – betas with hotties. Again, most men are beta by degrees and beta isn’t really an insult in general. If chicks bang via proximity……hang Lots of chicks haven’t ever run into an alpha that some well applied shit tests couldn’t unmask as a fraud.😀 situational alphas don’t count as alpha imo.… Read more »

rugby11
3 years ago

Damn Being with men in person can sooth so much social disconnection

theasdgamer
3 years ago

Blax,

When betas had status, back when dinosaurs roamed the earth in the ’60s and ’70s, betas had more status than women and women were trying to land betas and didn’t mind fucking them. Then the FI started dissing betas and women found them less desirable for sex. Now it’s rare that betas get desire sex. Betas get to fuck hot girls, but typically only if the girl is very drunk or they are in a relationship. Even then, their number of fucks is far below alphas.

Sentient
Sentient
3 years ago

J

Is this supposed to be clever?

“Whoa so are u saying alpha means guy being able to get hot desire sex from hot girls??”

Does that unfuck said hot girl by the beta?

Roused
Roused
3 years ago

@sentient

“Are you fucking hot girls?

Do they have boyfriends?

Are these boyfriends Alpha?

lol”

Thanks for that laugh, and the excellent point you made.

@Blax you’re doing well and showing tremendous patience with some great comments…for a 57-year-old married geezer….

Incubus_Rising
Incubus_Rising
3 years ago

“Mr. Krzanich’s resignation is the latest turmoil in executive suites since the #MeToo movement emerged in the wake of allegations against producer Harvey Weinstein. The heightened scrutiny of workplace behaviour has led executives at Nike, Lululemon Athletica, Social Finance and many other companies to leave their jobs.” They are likening “consensual relationships” with “coercive sexual abuse”. This was the goal of the #MeToo movement right from the start. They know that they cant compete with Men in positions of power and this is the best way they can think of to dismantle the “Patriarchy”. The momentum is building … and… Read more »

KL
KL
3 years ago

Interesting video complaining that black men don’t put communication effort into dating.

Incubus_Rising
Incubus_Rising
3 years ago

@Palma: That skittles tweet was funny as fuck. How can one not like the guy when he has brass balls to throw candies at Angela Merkel !! He is as Alpha as them come, but I hate it when he gives too much importance to the feelz of his wife and his daughter. Or maybe it is just a ploy to keep the womenz voters happy.

On Kelly McGillis, she got fat and then she found GOD … what a surprise !!

Blaximus
Blaximus
3 years ago

I don’t see trump as alpha at all ( seeing him over 40 years, not just as President) but I’m fascinated by how he relates to other ” world leaders ” and the markel thing was but bustingly funny. It’s not a strategy trump is using, he’s just being Donald Trump. Same guy, different job. What’s even more fascinating than trump effectively blowing up the G7, was the whole North Korea episode from beginning to where we are now. What I realized about having the Donald as President, is that some of the issues I actually care about are finally… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
3 years ago

… The Canadians burned down the Whitehouse.😂

theasdgamer
3 years ago

I wish people wouldn’t put their bedrooms front and center, doors wide open, and then tell me to stay out of them. Kind of a dickish move. But if they are aiming to fool useful idiots, it’s a tactic that works.

Blaximus
Blaximus
3 years ago

Trump has been moderately successful because he’s been able to effectively back down enough people to get what he wants, he’s been effective at convincing just enough people to go along with him to move forward, and…wait for it…. Inheritance from his father. I’d bet there are 100 guys right in Manhattan that are much wealthier ( trumps worth is an unknown and has been for decades…) And even have more real estate holdings. He was able to succeed in the presidential elections simply because of the quality ( or lack of quality) of the entire field opposing him. Standard… Read more »

Incubus_Rising
Incubus_Rising
3 years ago

@ Blax: Great comment !! “I’m going to Amazon and send him the cases of skittles as he will need them.” Send him some Starburst candies too. He has a lot of international meetings lined up. Haha. @Palma: “they got two in the pipe and ready to go” And they both non-white. Bingo !! “These stupid things he does are power plays or tactics to confuse or wrongfoot his enemies.” I agree 100% percent. He is playing his enemies like they are his pet dogs. He throws tennis balls in the air in different directions and they all run after… Read more »

rugby11
3 years ago

@Palma
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resources Yes but status may play a huge part or would it come to not mattering? Look at Chris and his body language with everyone around him. Who would go after Steven?

Agent P
Agent P
3 years ago

WTF with the comments?

Wild Man
Wild Man
3 years ago

SJF – I’m glad to hear you got your life in order, more or less to your satisfaction, achieving the goals you had set for yourself earlier. Of course I respect that. I respect that alot wherever I see it. Sounds like you had very good parents. Trying for emulation of that type of example is a worthy pursuit in my books. “Disclaimer: I’m different. You won’t learn any concrete steps to take from me.” That’s not what I am after anyway. I’m after the abstract steps that will aid developing the alpha mindset. You claim stoicism as part of… Read more »

Wild Man
Wild Man
3 years ago

Sentient – your comment: “I bet you will find those guys to posses dynamic, passionate and authentic traits…” Yeah – I think everyone here agrees that DPA is at least part of the puzzle, with regards to what alpha mindset is about. You have given numerous examples around that … pointing out men that well display those traits … and that has been informative. I guess I don’t think DPA completes the puzzle though. There is more …… Look – if we can begin to agree that that alpha mindset is about – ‘to know but do not care, beyond… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
3 years ago

Lol. Not.Gonna.Happen.

We’ll define bits and pieces maybe, but from what I’ve seen, it’s impossible to garner a consensus that will be factual.

Stop flagellation of the deceased equine.

Blaximus
Blaximus
3 years ago

Imo, dpa is the beginning of the journey towards ” alpha ” that guys should focus on. Dpa is how the mindset will be formed going forward.

Some men will develop a ” not caring at all ” attitude, and some will not. Depends on the individuals capacity and understanding of himself and his environment. Not giving a fuck has levels.

SJF
SJF (@sjf)
3 years ago

“Do you think that the stoic mindset is akin to ‘to know but do not care, beyond non-personal abstract regard, with respect to yourself and with respect to the other elements of your life.’ “ I don’t even know what the fuck that means. Non-personal abstract regard? Red Pill in my book has intense personal regard. Stoicism to me means I could lose it all and fall off the cliff and be zeroed out. But it is not going to prevent me from Adventure and Leaning out to My Edge. To be fully engaged at most times and pull back… Read more »

Wild Man
Wild Man
3 years ago

Boulderhead – your comment: “Alpha is purely situational in any case, the odds of finding an across the board natural are minute. Game on the other hand captures the essence of alpha and exudes it. …..Natural alpha is like three boys climbing trees, the one that goes the highest is the alpha. This will change if while riding bikes another can do a longer wheelie or while fishing the other catches more fish. This is the recipe for natural alpha and is highly situational. ……Trained alpha happens in a more regimental environment under direct supervision,this is more likely to produce… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
3 years ago

Blaximus Problem is betas are targeted for re-education by the FI practically from birth, and they are giving up in droves In Philadelphia this week I spent some time in various student / “Bohemian” zones. Maybe it’s just my perception but there seem to be more young men trying to pass as women than just a few years back. I’m not talking about the unisex-androgyny thing of years ago, and it’s not mannish women [1], this is tranvestisme from the really dopey man-with-beard-wearing-a-dress-not-a-kilt to pretty subtle work with a very contralto voice. Young men deciding to just pretend to be… Read more »

FTW Guy
FTW Guy
3 years ago

Thank you for another good essay Rollo. As a man in his 50’s I can attest that my experience in unplugging from the blue pill is that it requires a sustained effort for a couple of years and ultimately forcing a new worldview into your brain. I don’t think unplugging is the best term for a man in his 50’s. Now that I have successfully incorporated Red Pill awareness into my psyche I believe the process can be better described as “Breaking your Imperial Conditioning”. This concept comes from the Dune books. I could not simply unplug. I literally had… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
3 years ago

@ AR Lol. Know what I saw in the hottest days so far this year? Young men wearing ” belly shirts “. Little tiny shirts to go along with the very tight, lowrise jeans/pants/Capri style shorts. This fashion hasn’t invaded my town yet ( but it will…) Because guys that dress like that are still subject to verbal harassment, or worse, but surrounding towns have quite a bit of males dressing decidedly feminine. At first blush I just attributed it to a ” gay bloom ” taking place, but know I’m not so sure that guys dressing like that are… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
3 years ago

Oh, and I too notice more ” buff ” chicks. The large park close to my home has numerous tracks and running paths, and at any given time there are always many more women running on them than men.

j
j
3 years ago

“Young men wearing ” belly shirts “. Little tiny shirts to go along with the very tight, lowrise jeans/pants/Capri style shorts.”

yeah fags dress like fags. straight men don’t dress this way. don’t bullshit

“Oh, and I too notice more ” buff ” chicks. The large park close to my home has numerous tracks and running paths, and at any given time there are always many more women running on them than men.”

wow. didn’t know running was a good upper body workout lol

SJF
SJF (@sjf)
3 years ago

“Young men deciding to just pretend to be girls. That’s one form of “giving up” that’s gotta leave a mark…” From a passage in a book by Deida, the name of which is too blue pill to mention even if the book is red pill: Quote: “ANGER, PASSION AND THE FREE MAN Michael is a friend of mine, a good man who has never really been happy with the women in his life. He says he knows what he wants: a radiant, sexy, lively woman. But women like this don’t seem to be interested in deep intimacy with Michael. They… Read more »

having a bad day
having a bad day
3 years ago

@Wild Man You say – “take a shot at trying to figure out WHY the trolling is utter non-sense” Yes please. That’s what I am looking for. you can’t intellectualize the process of RP acceptance… THAT’s why it’s ‘utter non-sense’… you literally can not think your way into alpha stud status…lol… for a bunch of reasons… not the least of which is that in trying to do THAT your MPoO/frame is still in FI/BP value set… thinking v doing… therefore, using reason and logic, the only conclusion you can come to is to actually DO something and see what happens…… Read more »

SJF
SJF (@sjf)
3 years ago

Along the lines of the back and forth by j. and Sentient and Alpha/Masculine : Quote from Deida: “THE MASCULINE LIKES THE EDGE The Masculine likes the edge. Even as a form of relaxation, even as a form of recreation, the Masculine often prefers a challenge to a free ride. Driving the car a little faster than necessary. Watching boxing matches, football games and action movies. Competing on the tennis court, the backgammon board and at the poker table. This is not because the Masculine always has to prove Himself, or because “men enjoy violence.” It is because the Masculine… Read more »

Wild Man
Wild Man
3 years ago

“I too notice more ” buff ” chicks.” yeah – hard not to notice that, young women seem to be taking better care of themselves, on average, than young men – the proof is in the body composition. And that healthy body composition takes alot of discipline to achieve. Why are young women more predisposed to undertaking that discipline than young men now, on average? It wasn’t always this way. This thing about hormonal disrupters in the environment – seems more and more like there might be something to this. I am surprised actually at that amount of work I… Read more »

Incubus_Rising
Incubus_Rising
3 years ago

“Oh, and I too notice more ” buff ” chicks. The large park close to my home has numerous tracks and running paths, and at any given time there are always many more women running on them than men.” Yes, more females are into exercise and “body building” these days. They take better care of themselves now, because back in the day they would get married early, have babies and “got stuck” with the husband (who turns beta – not great, just good enough), divorce rates were low and monkey branching was not at the level we see now. However,… Read more »

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
3 years ago

“young women seem to be taking better care of themselves, on average, than young men”

Wrong again. Time to leave your mom’s basement.

https://www.fitnessmagazine.com/weight-loss/bmi/why-more-women-are-becoming-obese/

j
j
3 years ago

@Incubus Straight facts my man “females born after 1985 have grown up with an entitlement attitude that they “deserve” a guy in the top 10 percent. Hence, in their quest to find this mythical creature, they refuse to settle down and as the competition among the sisters is so intense, they feel the pressure to look good and maintain that ageing body. Add to that the incentive of all the attention from beta orbiters on social media” Attention and the possibility that showing off dat ass and tight body they worked so hard to get will hopefully get the attention… Read more »

j
j
3 years ago

@Sentient “Does that unfuck said hot girl by the beta?” it’s not just fucking hot girls that makes you alpha. (we trying to define what alpha is…I don’t give a fuck who betas fuck) Let me break it down for you: – seduce = you gamed her and got her to bed in a single day/night. Your a good seducer. not necessarily alpha yet (cause blue pill PUAs can do this shit to). If a beta is fucking a hot girl in his social circle, he did not have to seduce her. just be there basically lol or if she… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
3 years ago

J you’re starting to repeat the same mistakes yareally did prior to his mental meltdown and departure. Pedestalizing= thinking there’s something special about a woman and that she is ever the ” answer ” to any man’s issues. ” I’m moving up to a higher level by hanging 9’s ” is an example of what I’m talking about as opposed to ” I wanna bang 9’s because…. It’s what I want to do “. It’s the ” they’re better ” thing. No, they’re just girls. Always. That mindset has gotten so many men fucked up over chicks. And this should… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
3 years ago

😂😂😂 spellchecker….

Blaximus
Blaximus
3 years ago

Red killers😂😂😂

Incubus_Rising
Incubus_Rising
3 years ago

@j: “Attention and the possibility that showing off dat ass and tight body they worked so hard to get will hopefully get the attention of a high value male (celebrity/club promoter/model agent/photographer) and take her away from her boyfriend with an “alpha mindset” lol” Social media now puts your average “girl next door” in direct contact with high value males via Instagram, Snapchat, etc. Young girls post provocative pictures and slide into the DMs of these high value males. A young 23 year old HB 7 in my circle stalks the instagram account of a rapper. She would DM provocative… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
3 years ago

%.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
3 years ago

Wild Person
I fucking hate that word ‘praxeology’.

habd
lol… why am i not surprised… that little flash of anger that you had was a tiny spark of understanding…

Nice catch. Theoretical types often disdain the empirical, but … making stuff work isn’t done with pure theory.

Anyone can be a race car driver in the stands. Getting out on the track is different…

Blaximus
Blaximus
3 years ago

Incubus

Serious question.

Do you think that if you’d banged, let’s say…100 hb9’s over a two year span, and let’s also say that they were all younger than 24 exclusively, so you think you would still find the as ideal or more desirable?

Think about it realistically. Would the last mentally effect you the same as the first?

Andrew Baer, M.D.
3 years ago

At some point you come to realize that its not wise to be ruled by pussy. (“A pussy’s a bone, you can F it, suck it, or leave it alone. The betas in law enforcement have contributed to the problem. It is always the male who is guilty of spousal abuse. it is assumed that he is always stronger. I am not here referring to the wimp beta but to an alpha who just meets a woman who he has not properly assessed. She is a borderline who one day physically assaults him. In defending himself, she gets the bruises.… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
3 years ago

…. It needs to be mandatory that young men fuck a minimum of 50 bit women between the ages of 16 and 21.

That’ll out a stop to 99% of this.😀

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
3 years ago

“– Young girls under 25 with good facial features and genetically gifted do not exercise that much. They come to the gym do light weight training (lot of butt exercises) and enjoy the attention from men.

Then how come I’m seeing girls under 25 with arm / shoulder / traps developed? Shoulders notably wider than hips…

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