The Advantages of Now

As of this writing my second talk at last year’s 21 Convention is now available for free public viewing on 21 University. I worked this ‘talk’ a bit differently as you’ll see. I find that I can address what most of my readers are concerned with most in and open discussion rather than my delivering a sermon from the stage. I think I’m more comfortable with this as I’ve been aggregating information with other men in a forum style discourse for so long. My time at SoSuave really taught me the value of that back and forth exchange of information, and it’s really what led to so much of the material I’ve covered on the blog for almost 7 years now.

For the sake of clarity, this talk was the second I did and took place a day after my first, Hypergamy, Micro to Macro. I had originally intended to cover aspects of my third book, Positive Masculinity, since it had been released about 2 months prior. I had an extensive lecture all ready to go, but I decided to switch up my talk that morning. The day and night before I had gotten into at least 8 different “sub-conferences” with spontaneous groups of about a dozen guys that went on for any where between 20 minutes to an hour. It occurred to me then that the best way to address my topic would be to have an open discussion about masculinity with the guys I was talking to just a few ours before.

As much as I liked the first talk – and I still feel understanding Hypergamy in its entirety is a keystone element in understanding intersexual dynamics – I think this talk was much more personal. I’ve always felt that the Red Pill should remain ‘open source’ and be an aggregate of the experience of men from all over the world. To this end I’ll always feel that a roundtable discussion style is the best way to encourage men not just to put in their two cents, but also as the best way for men to learn. I am first a writer and then a speaker, but my speaking will always be better when a man is expressing his concerns, problems, critiques and experiences within a group of men focused on untangling Red Pill awareness. I’m always humbled when an interviewer calls me one of the Godfathers of the Red Pill, but the truth is there is no father of the Red Pill. For as much as some writers would like us to believe they fathered the manosphere, Red Pill awareness is the result of a consortium of men who came together, offered their input to the whole and made it something greater than it was before.

I got to watch both my talks before the post-production and release, and while I was reviewing them it occurred to me how fortunate this generation is to have access to such information today. I’m from a generation that didn’t have the internet when I was in my early 20s. There were no Game Gurus and the only “how to pick up girls” books we’re only available from mail order ads you found in the back of a Penthouse or Hustler magazine. I did read Why Men Are The Way They Are by Dr. Warren Farrell in 1993, but other than that book there was nothing about the nature of women that would ever be published by the major publishing houses then.

After I reviewed my video here I watched a TED talk given by Robert Greene, author of The 48 Laws of Power, and in it he recounted all of the dead end jobs and life experience he’d accrued up to around 1996 when a friend of his fronted him $30,000 to keep him going while he wrote the book. He’d always wanted to be a writer, but until the mid 2000s publishing was locked by a monopoly of a handful of ‘traditional’ publishing houses. Even the 48 Laws of Power had to get past their review processes. Now I think Robert Greene is one of the greatest minds of our time in his articulating power dynamics, I attempted to model my own writer’s voice on his example, but there was a time when anything resembling Red Pill awareness or truths that would be less than flattering to the status quo would never have seen the light of day. Print on demand and digital publishing (eBooks) wasn’t even a dream at that time, but today we take them for granted.

I never had a childhood dream of being an author, writing is just something I’ve always done as one more outlet for my creativity. I never thought I’d be a published author of one book, much less three. Nor did I imagine I’d have audio versions of them (book 3 is coming soon Sam promises). But now is the time. With digital publishing anyone can be an author so long as their ‘content’ is good.

We are living in an era in which certain things we take for granted are the only time in history that they could occur. That might sound self-evident, but think about it; our technology today is such that certain ideas that could never have been brought into popular consciousness could only be considered because of that technology. We have an advantage of now. It’s kind of humbling in a way – having witnessed the transition from a time when all of the dynamics we invested so much of ourselves in then are now made common, cheapened in some cases, and the legitimacy of having earned them is lessened as a result.

In my rock star 20s it took 4-5 months of all of the guys in my band to scrape together enough money to pay for a 3 song demo tape (no CDs for us then) in a recording studio, and that was with us having friends in the industry. Today I can do everything that very expensive studio could on my iMac. I have tools now to create the dreams I’ve had since I was in high school, but the challenge is no long the access, but the ideas themselves. We live in an age when access to the tools and means of creation has never been greater, but the ideas, the imagination, the abstract unrefined concepts is what I think is lacking today. We can produce masterpieces of music in our homes, but today music is only getting worse.

I’ve seen videos of brilliant instrumentalist virtuosos on YouTube. Kids not older than ten playing complex pieces of music they learned and absorbed themselves online, yet few could actually create an original song with any expressiveness themselves.

We also live in an age where access to information has never been more ubiquitous. We have access to the knowledge of all human history in a device that we can put in our pocket, yet we’re still too lazy to actually use the search feature or cite an easily had source. We have a connectivity today that spans the globe, yet we readily factionalize and atomize our social networks according to ideological biases.

A lot of this disconnect from real genius, from true creativity, I want to chalk up to the constant distractions we’re bombarded with daily. It’s really the price we pay for having unlimited access to information and the tools of creation. Paraphrasing the late Chris Cornell, there are no more writers like Shakespeare because all he had was a table, a candle, a pen and some paper. Today, learning to avoid distractions and focus on a single task is an art itself, but there’s another reason for this lack of honest genius and that is we’re gradually seeing a new generation of men and women who are themselves the product of a social order that has never known a time or condition where this access didn’t exist.

I think it was Dave Grohl who said something like kids today think rock stars are generated from talent shows on TV. Even with all the easy access to creative expression there’s still this idea that the process is somehow out of their control.

So why am I freestyling this post just to introduce my next talk video? Because I want my readers to get some insight about the radical nature of the information that the Red Pill presents today. I’ve written essays about how the 1990s really represented the pinnacle of the Feminine Imperative’s social influence. This was due to the limitations of information inherent in that time. In those essays I wanted to stress just how influential the Imperative was on western culture, but more importantly just how ignorant we were of ever perceiving it then. Today, the jig is up.

The internet has exposed the influences of feminism and it’s opened up a dialog – one that the controllers of the means of it would like to censor – in which it can no longer hide its true intent. The nature of women, the mechanics of intersexual dynamics, the good, the bad and the ugly of everything the Red Pill makes us aware of is increasingly expanding. It’s expanding so much that I fear we’re reaching a point where the means to explore new ideas in the ‘sphere are being limited by the means itself.

When you watch this video, any Red Pill aware video, when you read the latest essay here or anywhere else, keep in the back of your mind that knowing this information is only possible in this time. I wrote Preventive Medicine in response to men telling me how they’d wished they’d had this information back when they were younger and didn’t know better so they could make better, informed decisions. The truth is that the information I’ve been spreading since 2002 could only be realized in this age. Some will say, “yeah, but ancient scholars (and deified psychologists) knew this stuff a long time ago”, to which I’ll say ‘no, they didn’t’. Not to the extent we do today. Not with the degree of accuracy we know now. Only now is this possible, and only later will we have an even greater understanding of the Red Pill – for better or worse.

You are fortunate to be here in the now. Some of what you’re made aware of will frustrate and anger you, some of it will depress you and some of it will bring you to that “Ah Ha!” moment. The Red Pill can enlighten you or stifle you, but you are better off knowing it now in an age where this is finally possible.

320 comments

  1. I got my hard copies of Preventative Medicine and Positive Masculinity yesterday and as I jump into these books, watch the RMG, read red pill blogs and watch/read other Manosphere material. I think about what would of happened to me without this kind access to material. I most likely would of offed myself. I continually thank people in this sphere for what they have provided me in my life. I now look at women and say “OK she’s in her late party years now, so she’s doing this and that and etc.” Instead of her ass is phat I would like to hit that and subsequently waste a year or more of the one life I have. Thank you Rollo.

  2. ‘the truth is there is no father of the Red Pill’

    I think I used the term ‘godfather’.

    Someone had to build and maintain the greenhouse in which the seed could grow and that was you.

    Roosh and Roissy are/were also godfathers but you were the one who took the thought and rationale conclusions way beyond anything that can be idly shamed or shot down by the FI.

  3. For some unknown reason, I don’t like Rollo feeding all the truths. If you see the Gamers , they’re doing good actually. They are preparing themselves for girls right the way they should have been, so they’re getting girls. But…

    When I was a kid, I knew what masculinity is, it was fully instinctive. I was raised by a single mom, so I used to be regularly punished for my instinctive behaviour. By the time I was being punished, I could clearly feel that my mom was oppressing on me. I used to look around, to find someone to stand up by me, I could find no one. This went on, until I become a complete nice guy. Now I know after encountering TRM that why I used to be depressed even in my childhood, why I couldn’t lead fellas even though I was the best around them.

    What I don’t like about the Gamers are their Mental Point of Origin. They use the vigour of masculinity only to get girls, probably making people aware of intersexual dynamics, but masculinity is above getting women. You see the tough gamers, they are the same guys who will say nothing if a teenager boy is being bullied by a woman for his toxic testosterone.An example of inability to comprehend masculinity is the asdgamer(username), he has autism in Real Life . If you look at his blog, he says something like this, ” Using autism to bring some fun into people’s lives”. When you have such crisis of masculinity around your place, you’re bringing fun . That’s the “Chill Out” dynamics. He doesn’t do anything when he has a Beta SIL, who is probably prior to a horrible divorce. He has trained his brain like this.

    In the USA, Sweden,Norway & in some other countries, you can only be masculine at mercy. It’s not the women who are truly threat on the spot, it’s the Captain Save A Hoe People. You have to fight the imperative some day because the disease getting worse every second. That should be the mental point of origin. You know what, a woman instinctually know what should be your behaviour. When you act with your “Chilling Out” dynamic, she knows that you’re bending on their imperative .

    A common shit test to preserve their imperative women use is “Why he is so angry? He must have been burnt by a bitch.” And AFCs will say “Yeah, you’re right, she was my one, how could she do that I was so good to her…”. The thing is that the bitch slapped the AFC with reality, and the womankind convincing the AFC is that “It was just that bitch was bad, not every women”. By that doing, womankind is again placating the AFC from Reality to Disney Land. “Just be yourself” returns.

    Another dynamic I see nowadays is “burrying rebels with psychology”. “Oh, he had Asperger’s Syndrome”,”Oh, he used to have major depressive mood”. What feminine imperative is doing here is that making the Rebels synonymous with Naturally Defective Children. We have children born with physical deficiency, even clear mental deficiency. What they are convincing us is again the mental point of origin, whatever the Rebel said/wanted was out of context, because he had defects, see what disorder he had. People then never actually listen to him at all, instead makes fun of his misery, acts ”too good”, bullies like they each disqualified a sexual competitor.

    Rollo you said “Game doesn’t change and our hindbrain knows this”, then why Rollo you expect a guy who has everything snatched away and will still have to “Play Cool” or “Chill Out”?

  4. For some unknown reason, I don’t like Rollo feeding all the truths. If you see the Gamers , they’re doing good actually. They are preparing themselves for girls right the way they should have been, so they’re getting girls. But…

    When I was a kid, I knew what masculinity is, it was fully instinctive. I was raised by a single mom, so I used to be regularly punished for my instinctive behaviour. By the time I was being punished, I could clearly feel that my mom was oppressing on me. I used to look around, to find someone to stand up by me, I could find no one. This went on, until I become a complete nice guy. Now I know after encountering TRM that why I used to be depressed even in my childhood, why I couldn’t lead fellas even though I was the best around them.

    What I don’t like about the Gamers are their Mental Point of Origin. They use the vigour of masculinity only to get girls, probably making people aware of intersexual dynamics, but masculinity is above getting women. You see the tough gamers, they are the same guys who will say nothing if a teenager boy is being bullied by a woman for his toxic testosterone.An example of inability to comprehend masculinity is the asdgamer(username), he has autism in Real Life . If you look at his blog, he says something like this, ” Using autism to bring some fun into people’s lives”. When you have such crisis of masculinity around your place, you’re bringing fun . That’s the “Chill Out” dynamics. He doesn’t do anything when he has a Beta SIL, who is probably prior to a horrible divorce. He has trained his brain like this.

    In the USA, Sweden,Norway & in some other countries, you can only be masculine at mercy. It’s not the women who are truly threat on the spot, it’s the Captain Save A Hoe People. You have to fight the imperative some day because the disease getting worse every second. That should be the mental point of origin. You know what, a woman instinctually know what should be your behaviour. When you act with your “Chilling Out” dynamic, she knows that you’re bending on their imperative .

    A common shit test to preserve their imperative women use is “Why he is so angry? He must have been burnt by a bitch.” And AFCs will say “Yeah, you’re right, she was my one, how could she do that I was so good to her…”. The thing is that the bitch slapped the AFC with reality, and the womankind convincing the AFC is that “It was just that bitch was bad, not every women”. By that doing, womankind is again placating the AFC from Reality to Disney Land. “Just be yourself” returns.

    Another dynamic I see nowadays is “burrying rebels with psychology”. “Oh, he had Asperger’s Syndrome”,”Oh, he used to have major depressive mood”. What feminine imperative is doing here is that making the Rebels synonymous with Naturally Defective Children. We have children born with physical deficiency, even clear mental deficiency. What they are convincing us is again the mental point of origin, whatever the Rebel said/wanted was out of context, because he had defects, see what disorder he had. People then never actually listen to him at all, instead makes fun of his misery, acts ”too good”, bullies like they each disqualified a sexual competitor.

    Rollo you said “Game doesn’t change and our hindbrain knows this”, then why Rollo you expect a guy who has everything snatched away and will still have to “Play Cool” or “Chill Out”?

  5. @EsCher

    It’s a difficult thing to swallow TRP especially if you are 18-19 years old.

    But the thing is that you haven’t had everything snatched away, you have an awfully long life ahead.

    The work here is so that you can build your own life on your own terms without falling into a trap of being a servant to a woman.

  6. I’m banned . My comments don’t publish unless I thrust it with some legit usernames. Cracked the codes of Rollo’s website.

    [You’re not banned. Are you having trouble posting?]

  7. EsCher

    You’re 18/19. Even if Paternal Postpartum depression is real, what is the relevance to you?

    What’s affecting you and stopping you being the man you want to be with the life you want to have ?

    I don’t know why you posted under my handle? I suspect Eh didn’t post either?

  8. No mate I doubt Rollo banned you. And your earlier post loaded under your own handle. Stop confusing the situation. It’ll just piss everyone off if you use their names and you’ll get nowhere.

  9. @Escher

    Reading comprehension lesson time.

    If you look at his blog, he says something like this, ” Using autism to bring some fun into people’s lives”.

    Nope.

    In my blog I state, ”Autism and bringing some fun into people’s lives”. I discuss autism issues, Game issues, social skills issues, and red pill issues. “Bringing fun” is code for “gaming.”

    It’s not the women who are truly threat on the spot, it’s the Captain Save A Hoe People.

    Sure, White Knights are a threat. We might as well throw up our hands in despair and go home, right? But before we give up, let’s think just a minute. What can we do about White Knights? What does Game teach us? White Knights are people and can be gamed. So, we game them in order to prevent their white-knighting. Problem solved.

  10. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nL1BBNiUot8
    “You are fortunate to be here in the now. Some of what you’re made aware of will frustrate and anger you, some of it will depress you and some of it will bring you to that “Ah Ha!” moment. The Red Pill can enlighten you or stifle you, but you are better off knowing it now in an age where this is finally possible.”

  11. This article is more of the same great, current wisdom of Rollo and the Red Pill Awareness.

    Regarding the idea that historically society and its inhabitants were not as aware of the Red Pill issues, and especially hypergamy, I strongly suggest that such may have been the case, consciously. But then there is the collective unconscious and its effect on social norms and related behavior.

    I believe that the constraints on the behavior of women, only abolished over the last 100 years, were the cultural judgments gleaned out of necessity and the collective unconsciousness of how destructive unfettered hypergamy is. For example, historically in divorce, women did not leave with the children; they were the property of the father. In the same time, there was not alimony and to initiate a marriage, the bride had to have a dowry. Women did not vote nor attempt men’s roles or jobs. Bastardy was shameful. Single motherhood was almost a death sentence.

    I believe all of the above was honed to razor sharpness by evolutionary selection.

    True, society did not remotely grasp the Red Pill as, thankfully, we do today. But it saw and reacted to the proclivities of its girls and women.

    And this wisdom was codified and passed down until its destruction was initiated in the late nineteenth century.

    Thanks to all that are shedding light and wisdom in this area.

  12. In your previous conference about hypergamy, you said that there is no corresponding principle to man. I can say that it is polygamy, in ancient societies polygamy was the normal thing, and men managed multiple plates easily. In modern society plugged deep into blue pill conventions, polygamy was fought with tooth and nail and hypergamy or feminine primacy took the lead.

  13. Rollo – just watching the talk now. There is some brief reference to the Rockefellers trying to get more women into the workplace to keep the workforce more docile and less prone to unrest etc – I’ve never heard that before. Where does that come from? It sounds very conspiracy-theoryish (especially the Rockefeller name just instantly makes me think “conspiracy theory”).

    I guess in one way it’s just a variation of small businesses not wanting to hire 28 year old women who are likely to go off and get pregnant and impose huge costs on the business when they could hire a 28 year old man and not have that problem (of course it’s illegal but people still do it especially in smaller businesses which find it harder to take the hit)

    [This is what I was referring to:]

  14. @Culum

    I have employed a lot of women and they are quite different in the workplace.

    They will follow instructions / processes without any problem and more or less do as they’re told in a way that men won’t.

    Of course you can’t say that.

  15. Palma – yes. Seen it at my workplace too.

    It actually means they’re really good as junior employees in professional settings – in many ways better than 25 year old men. But even after accounting for the culling that takes place in late 20s/early 30s (marriage/motherhood), typically much less of a feel for taking risks, taking decisions, looking at strategy, the drive to make whatever sacrifices are necessary to get to senior management, that sort of thing.

    There are plenty of exceptions and I know women who are very good at those things, but this is true of the vast majority..as has been said before, they’re a much better and steadier baseline, but with men you see more that are complete failures on one end and more that are huge successes on the other.

  16. Good point about the limitation being ideas. Read a post a few days ago that users on reddit fall into 3 categories. Content posters 1 percent. Content expanders editors 9 percent. Content/post consumers 90 percent.

    Online communities are driven by novel ideas so much more than me too agreement.

    How red pill evolves in a world where female primary sexual goals are “right think” is going be interesting.

    Men and women are desperate to escape from the desert of modern relationships.
    But the message can’t be couched in terms of female surrender. Nor can we allow females to continue to push female primary strategies.

  17. @Culum

    That “Rockefeller” thing had more to do about The Rockefeller Foundation trying to promote women CEO’s because they were under-represented in top level positions. That Rockefeller Foundation push is more to masculinize women and have equal pay for women, than to make the workplace more docile. A more docile workforce may be the end result, because of how women operate (not on a meritocracy). (Kind of like the opposite of Glengarry Glen Ross.)

    And that was kind of a garbled point Rollo was trying to make in response to a question about whether socio-sexual ‘movements’ are trying to tame masculine workplaces. (By “sedating” men, or taming “toxic masculinity”.) It makes sense that globalist and hegemonic entities would want a docile workforce. It makes sense that masculine independent men would be a threat to be part of a groupthink large entity.

    All that’s mixing too many Top Down ideas though.

    “I have employed a lot of women and they are quite different in the workplace.

    They will follow instructions / processes without any problem and more or less do as they’re told in a way that men won’t.”

    @Palmasailor

    Depends on the leadership of said women. You have good solid leadership abilities.

    I employ 8 women and no males in my office. When women are led properly, they do just fine. I do well leading them. It came by instinct, leadership and clear purpose. They behave and follow my plan.

    With chaotic leadership (e.g. two owners not in synch, or at odds with each other), watch the fuck out for chaos among women employees.

  18. Henry Ford quote: ““Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government take care of him better take a closer look at the American Indian.”

    Anyone who thinks polygamy is the answer should take a look at the Middle East.

  19. @SJF

    “With chaotic leadership (e.g. two owners not in synch, or at odds with each other), watch the fuck out for chaos among women employees.”

    I would guess they’ll take sides and start to scratch each other’s eyes out.

    8 women is close to the limit. At one point I had something pushing 40 and no men. They tore each other apart so badly I had to employ some men to calm it down.

  20. @SJF

    I was not in the office though. If you are in your office you may be able to push past 8 women, but I’d certainly be aware that it could turn.

    The two owner thing has always been a no no. I’m the boss, and it seems like you are too.

    One dung pile one Rooster is the rule I think.

  21. @Culum

    They also function well in senior roles where there are boundaries and guidelines.

    I had two as Managing Directors of my businesses and a further three as managers (in common) of a third business. I needed three because two got too cosy. The introduction of the third caused arguments which kept them all on their toes.

    The day to day stuff was dealt with according to processes set out and I only got bothered by exceptions which meant I could work on direction and strategy.

    If you allow them equity in your businesses then their risk adversity will clip you and you have to outright dominate via shareholder control.

    Far better to remunerate them according to metrics you set without giving them equity.

    If you want risks taken for example In pushing new sales into new territories then you need men and they are a whole different thing to handle.

  22. “That “Rockefeller” thing had more to do about The Rockefeller Foundation trying to promote women CEO’s because they were under-represented in top level positions.”

    Because he wanted a workforce that: ” . . . will follow instructions / processes without any problem and more or less do as they’re told in a way that men won’t.”

    Whether or not “docile” is the correct word to denote that I’ll leave up to argument. He didn’t phrase it that way, because he was the PR arm of the project whose job was to “sell” it to the public, but that’s what he meant. David, who was not a people person and wrote books that only his people actually read, was more forthright when he talked about the Chinese having something close to the ideal workforce and that that was what he was after.

    I was somewhat acquainted with Rocky and his cabinet level “Women’s Issues” person was an old family friend, so I’m not just talking some shit I read on some Internet page.

  23. Although I am not unaware that what I wrote above is just some shit you’re reading on some Internet page. Hi ho.

  24. Palmasailor and Everyone

    From my childhood, my mom didn’t let spend an average time to play with other boys. Being nice doesn’t make you socially dominant, an alpha with no performance at all can control the shit. I want social dominance. I worked so hard on performance just to have control in my social life. But failing at this contributed to a trauma 5 years ago(even I used to be bullied for my good performance ). Someone tells me what to do is the worst nightmare of my life. But guys of my age like to gang up. I have no gang. I hate that someone dominates me. Being a Lone Wolf is dangerous. It’s only possible for supernatural creatures. That’s what refraining me from what I want to be. I want social dominance at all cost. I wanna be a top 1%

  25. Palmasailor and Everyone

    From my childhood, my mom didn’t let spend an average time to play with other boys. Being nice doesn’t make you socially dominant, an alpha with no performance at all can control the shit. I want social dominance. I worked so hard on performance just to have control in my social life. But failing at this contributed to a trauma 5 years ago(even I used to be bullied for my good performance ). Someone tells me what to do is the worst nightmare of my life. But guys of my age like to gang up. I have no gang. I hate that someone dominates me. Being a Lone Wolf is dangerous. It’s only possible for supernatural creatures. That’s what refraining me from what I want to be. I want social dominance at all cost. I wanna be a top 1%

  26. Asdgamer

    How do you Game a Pop Up… That frog face Merson always pops up when I comment something.

  27. Didn’t read the article past the first few sentences. Started to watch the vid, but decided to post instead … if I could. Cause in the past, its seems like I’d been banned here. So posting, to check.

    So here is what it comes down to, Rollo: “My time at SoSuave really taught me the value of that back and forth exchange of information, and it’s really what led to so much of the material I’ve covered on the blog for almost 7 years now.”

    And I call BULLSHIT. You don’t know what an exchange of info is. Because it means you have to have an open mind and not be 100% absolutely convinced that you know everything about everything. And, yes, I got banned here because I had the audacity to suggest that Rollo might be wrong in his definitions of Alpha and Beta.

    Here’s a suggestion Rollo: YOU MIGHT BE WRONG. A “back and forth exchange of information” MEANS YOU HAVE TO ENTERTAIN THE IDEA THAT YOU MIGHT BE WRONG and maybe, just maybe, somebody else has thought of something that you haven’t. Call it a different perspective. When the ONLY perspective that is allowed, is YOUR PERSPECTIVE and EVERYONE ELSE IS WRONG if they don’t agree … that is not an open mind. And does not lend to an exchange of ideas.

    That’s all. Assuming this goes thru. Which it probably won’t. And, no, I don’t care.

    Don’t know why I even come here anymore. I don’t buy the Rollo religion or the bs he is preaching anymore. Guess I’m just trying to make a difference and warn other dudes. Rollo is like every other faker the world has ever known. Sell out. Trying to make a buck and cash in. Anyone who rocks his boat … disturbs his “Brand” … gets cast out and set aside. Banned. Power corrupts and absolute power, absolutely corrupts. And all.

    Whatever. Dudes, you need to learn to think for yourself. Lots of good info on TRM … most of it is old. So learn what you can and make your own decisions, draw your own conclusions. Pretty much ignore anything that Rollo has said in the last 2 yrs. Just my opinion, of course. And, yes, I could very much be wrong. Its called having an open mind …

    And now gonna take a cheap shot. Sad, yeah I know. Still pissed that I got banned, I guess. So … Rollo … why are you always wearing a hat ? Do you know what a fag you look like ? Wanna know why dudes wear hats when its 90 degrees out ? Because they are Low-T and on the Rag, that’s why. Mangina faggots who gotta wear a hat to keep their nuts warm. Any man with a decent T level is hot at room temperature and his balls are sweating. If your balls are cupped up and you’re cold and need a hat … YOU NEED SOME TEST. Or maybe you should start working out to gain some muscle. Because muscle generates more heat than man boobs. Ok, done insulting Rollo now. Not that he doesn’t deserve more or anything. And assuming this actually makes it thru … or that I cared, lol.

  28. Gang up you say?

    I don’t know how old you are currently, but fuck guys ganging up. Especially if they are unarmed and only rely on their numbers.

    If this kind of thing is really a concern, to immediately and learn how to fight. I don’t care which discipline you choose ( best to chose a few over the long haul ), but to and learn and practice diligently and watch that concern of ” gangs ” vanish into thin air.

    Remember my fave saying ” you have to bring ass to kick ass. If you lose, make sure one of your attackers is in the same hospital ( or in the morgue ).

  29. @Rollo: much of this knowledge is truly only discovered now… But now is also the time where “academic” research on these topics is stifled or misdirected, and where discussing it openly leads to repercussions.

    I’m still worried for you, but I’m cautiously optimistic. Been about a year and it seems the FI hasn’t really targeted you.

    [I got skillz]

  30. Because Trump is against illegal immigration, therefore he’ll lose hispanic support. Right?

    The Border Patrol is overwhelmingly hispanic. The professional military is heavily hispanic and Marines competed to guard the President for the first time in eight years. The loyalty of the most northern Mexican provinces leans heavily pro-US. Their men are likely to serve in the US armed services and they keep an American flag displayed prominently in their houses. Aliens who serve in the military are fast-tracked for citizenship.

  31. My filipino nieces speak flawless English–you’d think that they grew up in the States. They received a top-level education in the ‘pines.

  32. Any serious novel written in the past centuries shows, no matter how indirectly, the realistic nature of women, as well as men.
    They knew: but who were they? People who lived in the nobility circles, men of distinction who moved over the largest cities and had their eventful, socialite circles too (more or less overlapping with the aristocracy’s).

    Because one needs hundreds upon hundreds of… experienced instances to infer constants and rules.
    The Internet makes the collection of such experience and derived analysis possible to far more people. Also, the restraints enforced by tradition having now been lifted, many more people than before act in a way more in agreement with their nature. This makes observation and learning easier too.

  33. Trump has a problem ( and a proven track record, as did his father ) for not caring for ” minorities ” of any kind period. The newcomers to the Donald kill me trying to make excuses for him not knowing much about him at all prior to The Apprentice and his running for President.

    …. They’re being drugs, they’re bringing crime, and some of them, I suppose, are good people.
    Gimmee a break already.

    If he’s going to crack down on ” illegals “, do it across the board and include both borders northern and southern, and get the folks overstaying their visas. To after all ” illegals “.

    But I don’t really care to debate trump. He is who he is, and who he’s always been, just as I’ve said before he was elected. Lol. The conman, President of the United States, said he could shoot somebody and still not lose support.

    In other words, he’s signalling what he really thinks of supporters unschooled in the ways of a master bullshit artist.

    If a woman ( not just Hillary ) woulda said that…… Lmao.

    Facts are stubborn things. Illegal immigration has been steadily falling over the past 7 years, but boogey men are very useful.

    Facts no longer matter.

    It’s all about emotions, and anger, and hatred, and feelz. The justification train is almost up to fill speed.😂

    History is riddled with ” trumps “.

    You can read about it on the internet.

  34. Illegal immigration has been steadily falling over the past 7 years, but boogey men are very useful.

    Something smells funny about this statement, Jackson. Something smells damn funny. I dunno why and I dunno how long it’s been percolating, but it smells damn funny to my way of thinking.

  35. Immigration activists have sharply criticized President Obama for a rising volume of deportations, labeling him the “deporter in chief” and staging large protests that have harmed his standing with some Latinos, a key group of voters for Democrats.

    But the portrait of a steadily increasing number of deportations rests on statistics that conceal almost as much as they disclose. A closer examination shows that immigrants living illegally in most of the continental U.S. are less likely to be deported today than before Obama came to office, according to immigration data.

    http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-obama-deportations-20140402-story.html

    This is the source of the figures that everyone relies on. The story has to be parsed carefully.

    Mexicans were deported from the U.S. 242,456 times in 2015 – up from 169,031 in 2005, but down from a recent high of 309,807 in 2013. The increase over the past decade is due in part to a 2005 shift in policy that increased the chances of being deported following apprehension in the border region. Prior to that change, many unauthorized immigrants were returned without a formal deportation order.

    http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/03/02/what-we-know-about-illegal-immigration-from-mexico/

    Lots of hispanics are still violating our border with Mexico, but fewer are Mexican.

    I’m also for securing our border with Canada.

  36. I’d argue that people who think they know about immigration don’t know as much as (and should follow) an organization that’s spent decades making it their business to master it better than anybody on the block.

  37. Ok, so I have an off the wall question.. For whatever reason it hit me tonight that some of THE MOST Alpha SOBs to ever walk have been, basically, cult leaders. There is something about that combo of charisma and over the top Alpha attitude that draws both sexes, but esp women. Examples range from Rasputin to Charles Manson.. yes I know he was a crazy fcker, but he had a harem that would literally kill for him. That’s an extreme ‘dark triad’ example, and I’m not comparing RP men to psychos, but I do want to ask the question: is there anything we can learn from these extreme examples of Alpha? I have a young daughter, and I hope to teach her about positive masculinity as well as how to avoid the pitfalls of being caught up in the more controlling aspects of masculine behavior. Perhaps this could broaden your future discussion of “chick crack”, Rollo?

  38. Sjr

    Ever hear any interviews with Hanson’s female followers?

    Ever watch a bunch of full length Manson interviews?

    Some sheeple are weak, mentally deficient followers. Charismatic guys can attract more attention/women or whatever, but most stable minded people beat a nasty retreat from crazy, while others are widely attracted to it.

    I can’t see Manson as alpha because he was an insane psychopath. Some folks get off on that stuff. That’s why murderers get marriage proposals in prison. They don’t get dozens and dozens, they get a select few.

    Mindset not ( extreme ) demographic. With an emphasis on ” mind “.😁

  39. hKpol

    Nice comment. Old great novels are rich in wisdom before the fucking internet of things, and the Oprahism of whatevet the fuck wave of feminism legitimatized The Fi to take over.

    You can’t find better stuff than Tolstoy and Doestoyevsky.

    Anna Karenina was the best novel ever written. I don’t read non-fiction. But when I do I read shit like that.

  40. Heheh Blax

    I’m not goading or toying with you, but I picked up Michael Wolf’s Fire and Fury book about when Trump got electes, how he and is staff never expected a win, and when it came, all thrusters were pushed forward.

    The triumvirate that was Bannon, Priebus, and young Kushner was a farce.

    The book is actually laugh out loud in terms of Trump being who he was for 35 years. Then still being who he was. And pushing who he was forward in the zone, to where the Democrats are in disarray.

    Via a red Pill lens: Laugh out loud for the fact of how the fuck did this guy get there.

    He got there because.

  41. Great again from Rollo. This guy is a real man. Don´t get humble about it Rollo, you are the godfather of the redpill.

    Respecting to woman, there´s some situation that keeps repeating once and once again. The more you humiliate them and stand your ground, the more you are going to keep them by your side (if you want them to).

    So, yeah. we can take advantage of the advantages of the knowledge that we are getting now. I am talking from a perspective of the new generations( 80´s and up) . Thanks to the older guys, for their input. But even they, the old generations, talking about generalities (eighties and below), they are just pussies, product of the romantic marketing that they were exposed to, the american dream. We, the new generations had no guides. We have to rise by ourselves. We need to survive and shape the world that we want, and that we know are the best for our species.

  42. @IAS

    “I’m still worried for you, but I’m cautiously optimistic. Been about a year and it seems the FI hasn’t really targeted you.”

    It’s too intelligent for them. This beans they can point at something mindless and put a bullet into him.

    If the bulk of them understood the long words he’d be in trouble but they don’t.

  43. We live in amazing times. Never has been so much opportunity for normal guys in the west. As long they dont start a war with russia (i dont think it will happen as it makes no sense) we will survive and thrive.
    Eventually the US and Europe, the whole west, will shut down their borders against third world immigration in order to save our civilisation and nations. I think the old power map that has been build in centuries will show again. USA and western europe will be on top longer than we all live. China and the rest will be held down for a long time.
    My perspective, from Germany.

  44. The internet for the first time in human history gave men the ability to share and compare notes about their experiences with females. What had been an unsolvable mystery up to then now got under scrutiny of the combined field study of millions of individuals, reflecting, connecting dots, field testing, experimenting, improving …

    The result (up to now) is we got hypergamy down, AF/BB, shittests, IOI’s, war brides, the
    burden of performance, sisterhood uber alles …et al.

    For the first time in history men now have an field tested, battle scarred book of rules and guidelines down, forged out of the collective effort, blood (sadly literally) and sweat of millions of anonymous men online.

    The reality these rules depict may be hard and fill you with rage, anger and disillusion but at least we HAVE the reality now of the SMV as it plays out in 2018 and the biological hardwiring of intersexual dynamics.

    You may hate it, you may chose to withdraw from it, you may use your knowledge to adapt and prosper, you may use it to help other people who are still in the blue.

    But it’s out now, the lid got lifted. Censorship will be futile in the long run and only induce streisand effect. Men will find this information, see it before the canvas of their life experience and will HAVE to recognize the truth of it. Since the incentive to do so too is biologically hardwired (“survive & replicate”) it can only be a snowball effect from here on. The Red Pill in it’s unfiltered core will probably always be too hardcore for the masses, but there will be an overall awareness and certain aspects of it will trickle down in mainstream consciousness as certain PUA-shit did (“friendzone”, “wingman” etc.)

    As such, this connecting of dots that we call the Red Pill is lifting human consciousness in an unprecedented way in this area. It is indeed a marvel to behold and we all are lucky to witness and experience it.

    Collective effort for the future should be to try to minimize the damage for still clueless
    individuals as much as possible, to spread the information further (using caution of course) and to leave the SMV and therefore the world a better place than we found it.

    Dude: “Just buy her flowers, be nice, listen to her woes, always be an gentleman and you’ll
    have a happy wife happy life for the rest of your days. That’s how my father and grandfather did it.”

    20 years of collective effort of millions of men comparing notes: “Sorry, nope. Here’s why. And how.”

  45. There is much opportunity. However closing the borders will not necessarily stop the cancer that exists within, whether its the pound me too or other feminist agendas the feminine imperative has infiltrated deep, at least this side of the Atlantic.

  46. Sex without consent is rape.
    That is just common sense. This is what’s wrong with the modern age, we have to make laws that dictate what is common sense.

    The only issue about codifying common sense is now who gets to use that as a hammer against someone else. Laws have always been used to persecute people.

  47. Chazz yes there is much opportunity. However closing the borders will not necessarily stop the cancer that exists within, whether its the pound me too or other feminist agendas the feminine imperative has infiltrated deep, at least this side of the Atlantic.

  48. I think the point is “explicit consent” (just reading the article) is required. So if she doesn’t say “yes” but takes your dick out and jumps on it, it could still be construed as rape.

    You’re right that sex without consent is rape (even common sense laws are codified as law, and should be as that’s the purpose of the law…”don’t murder” is pretty common sense too)

  49. Probably has a caveat that consent “under the influence” doesn’t count either.

  50. Chazz I agree there is a lot of opportunity, however closing the borders won’t necessarily stop the cancer that the feminine imperative is spreading from within.

  51. “I can’t see Manson as alpha because he was an insane psychopath.”

    Yeah alot of people can’t see things for what they really are due to personal bias….and the fact that the truth of it isn’t what they want it to be 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

    It’s the prevalent problem with discussing things like this loool

  52. Just reading the article further: “Courts will need to pay particular attention to whether consent was expressed with words, gestures or in another manner, and judges will have to rule on the issue, according to the law passed in May.
    Judge Anna Hannell, who helped create the law, said there was “absolutely no requirement to formally say ‘yes’, to hit a button in an app or anything else of the same type”.

    So I guess it’s not as draconian as I thought. Not as far gone as USAF military law yet.

  53. Mersonia

    “Yeah alot of people can’t see things for what they really are due to personal bias….and the fact that the truth of it isn’t what they want it to be ”

    Truth. The Alpha Triad is amoral.

  54. Sjr

    “is there anything we can learn from these extreme examples of Alpha?”

    Yes, everything.

    Why would you want to deny your daughter her shot?

  55. “I feel like I’ve spent forty years of my life working as hard as I can to become somebody I don’t even like “
    Reading Warren Farrell’s “Why Men are the way they are”.

  56. @mersonia @Sentient

    Sure.

    But…

    What happens when you take a group of men that exhibit alpha traits and put them together in ‘one room’?

    https://adask.files.wordpress.com/2016/06/highlander1.png

    We say that even 0.1% makes a difference… so a matter of degree. I guess Blax puts these guys next to his alpha reference and they look ‘cheaper’ by comparison.

    More than one trait, more than one level, more than one reference experience.

  57. Don’t think you know some Red Pill Sentences that makes you any better. I’m talking about a change in greater extent, not just in mental but physical world as well. Things need to be changed to better facilitate our reality.

  58. “Don’t think you know some Red Pill Sentences that makes you any better. I’m talking about a change in greater extent, not just in mental but physical world as well. Things need to be changed to better facilitate our reality.”

    The general autist consensus that i’ve seen is that alot of you

    1. Think the world needs to change when you just need to focus on yourself.

    2. You just need to focus on fixing yourself making a change in w/e you can (w/e dimension you live in )

    3. You need to accept that shit is how it is right now

  59. “What happens when you take a group of men that exhibit alpha traits and put them together in ‘one room’?”

    Don’t care…………………

    Everyone room is full of men who exhibit alpha traits…. it’s just to what extent

    isss likee

    Beta ——————(most guys)——————————————————————-Alpha

    Most guys are at like a 80% Beta scale…..so every guy has some alpha traits usually

    BUT THEN THE CONVERSATION CAN GO TO WHETHER YOU MEAN SOCIAL SEXUAL ALPHA OR SOCIAL STATUS ALPHA DISCUSSION BECAUSE THEY ARE 2 DIFFERENT THINGS AND I DONT CARE FOR THE SOCIAL STATUS ALPHA DISCUSSION

    ^ and idk which u mean so i cant continue this anyways

  60. One last one, then it’s back to game stuff where we can all agree…

    Fight for your borders because THEY WILL CHANGE, sometimes for the worse where your country is no longer there:

  61. Anyways since im bored and this bitch is texting me telling my im a pig and manipulative and took advantage of her etc. etc.

    So whether you’re speaking about

    the sociosexual hierarchy alpha (Basically like the scale for what attractive to women )or the social status alpha ( Basically the who has the highest standing socially (for some reason this is the one guys seem to care about more ))

    So lets call the sexual one A
    and the social dominance (status ) B

    A is going to have a combination of X traits effective to getting P>V

    B is going to have a combination of X traits effective to leading/ being more important in a group(etc)

    PUA’s Goal is to be A
    Red Pills goal is to be B

    The problem is people confuse A and B because they are called the same term Alpha…. but they are different though some of the traits inside have similarities

    Let’s not forget though …..each is a scale where every individual can be a percentage leaning.
    So if you are 90% Alpha you are 10% beta on both scales…… Even though guys like to try to make it a definite line it’s not.

    You are never just Alpha or Beta ……. You just lean towards one side more….. though the side you lean to more you are considered to be in general.

    And the scales are representing different things which is why you can have a guy be 90% Alpha in scale B and considered a Super Alpha Role Model man but he can’t get a girl because he is 90 % beta and considered a SIMP on scale A

    gotta take a shit hold up ( I didn’t proofread this also so SJF when you do your corrections and say you can do better just know I know)

  62. @mers

    Ok I’ll take the bait

    – Wat is difference?

    – who are good examples of the two?

    – can someone be both? If yes, then what would you call that person? …Ultimate Alpha?…lol

    Thx for contribution

  63. Mersonia
    Good morning.

    I readily admit to personal bias re: alpha being murderous psychopaths. ” violent ” is different from ” randomly murderous driven by delusions and hatred “.

    My bias comes from my history of having to deal with violent , basically beta assholes that everyone around me were scared shitless of, and if they were here among us, they would shout that these dudes were apex alphas.

    I also agree about percentages. I don’t believe there’s such a thing as 100% alpha, conversely I have experienced males that exhibit 100% beta combined with no discernable measure of masculinity at all. Only their DNA and hormones identify them as male.

    The “A”-” B” thing seems about right, but I think a combination of both is optimal if a man is trying to ” up his alpha “.

    Becoming a serial killer isn’t an option.

    So I don’t describe myself as ” alpha ” because my interests and ” personal moral code ” doesn’t fit into any extreme narrative for the most part. I’m shaped and forged by my own understanding and life experiences, and how I’ve worked to master as much as possible, my own circumstances. It’s prolly added years to my life expectancy😁 and level of satisfaction.

    As I type this on a sunny, hot Sunday afternoon, I’m trying to decide whether I just want to rest and relax, bake some killer cupcakes, prime a couple of canvases , or go to the indoor range and make lots of noise.

    I can rest in vacation and when I’m dead, so I’m gonna do everything listed after some light cardio and very light lifting to counter that delicious shake I had yesterday.

    And I don’t have the desire to kill anyone or have anyone killed because I don’t have that crazy side eyed stare. Nothing wrong at all in having a dark side. That’s a good thing that will come in very handy in life. But anything you cannot master and control as much as you can could destroy you ( ask Bourdain ) or have you in prison – in isolation ( so the real alphas don’t take you out )until you die.

  64. Damn idk what I had ate…..but yeah

    “So I don’t describe myself as ” alpha ””

    yeah I don’t think anyone who’s really Alpha describes themselves as so or cares.

    ” basically beta assholes that everyone around me were scared shitless of, and if they were here among us, they would shout that these dudes were apex alphas.”

    Lol there are alot of those and RP thinks they are really badass for some reason.

    “I don’t believe there’s such a thing as 100% alpha, conversely I have experienced males that exhibit 100% beta combined with no discernable measure of masculinity at all. Only their DNA and hormones identify them as male.”

    Same I don’t 100% Alpha can’t function in society. The combination of traits you’d have to have…..is like …..

  65. It’s the ascendance of the female mind. Feminine Imperative. Females can’t create at all. Full stop. They never have (outside of Frankenstein the novel, auce) Now a society of female-minded males and women in power all over the place, we have no sign of creativity. Every commercial, tv show and movie has the same narrative; men are feckless, women are amazing. Women are now writing much of that and aren’t capable of creating so they cling to that same narrative; be it a bottled water commercial, a dinosaur movie, or a medieval fantasy TV show, or a tale of future dystopia, a motor oil ad. The narrative is always the same one because no one can create and women have been shoehorned into ‘creative’ roles all over the place. If you eliminate the male mind en masse, there will be no new narratives, no creativity. We’re seeing that now. Female ‘literature’ is always thinly veiled autobiography, social commentary boilerplate or totally derivative.

  66. Ima try to awnser these I may have better well thought out shit later but the gist from my brain blast it (lol brain blast)

    @J

    “– Wat is difference?”

    A Generally deals with what women find attractive
    B Generally deals with social influence and standing……

    The thing is one thing women find attractive is men with social influence and standing so you can see the place where the things intertwine it’s just that A is more about just definitive ++ traits and things that lead to the most efficient rate to P>V .

    While B includes things that are completely irrelevant to P>V but may help you increase your social standing or w/e.

    So because they have intertwining traits and whatnot people tend to mix the two but when you mix the two the point because convoluted and you try to make a general broader ideal that removes the ability to fully analyze them.

    So for example

    A can be a General .

    General A (General has some social status so women give him +)

    On scale A you are looking for more traits of why he is attractive to women

    B can be a General .

    General B ( General B is a general in the army and a leader of men )

    Whenever someone decides to try to look at scale B they do this though

    General B has some social status so women give him + He is socially dominant so he must be a Alpha man who fucks lots of women.

    Though on scale B the focus is his Alpha Beta Scale of Social Status Influence ( Dominance w/e) and you honestly can’t look into both at the same time because you would have to look at other traits to determine whether he is successful with women because social status and influence is only one part.

    So generally Scale B gets mixed and becomes a general thing ideal which isn’t good for determining anything about attractiveness to women.

    The scales look for different things to decide whats Alpha and Beta in the respective scale.

    I’ve never cared about scale B Only Scale A because the deep analysis of a mans social status is not paramount to success with women.

    – who are good examples of the two?

    I honestly don’t keep up with news and people enough to give a great list but if you break down some people in what you think are Alpha and Beta I would be able to give you a good description but for a generally idea

    Just think in terms of Scale A and Scale B and Alpha and Beta and put these into categorys

    Daniel Radcliffe

    Robert Downey Jr.

    Charles Manson

    Anthony Bourdain

    Russel Brand

    Eddie Murphy

    Elon Musk

    Steve Jobs

    Pete Davidson

    Chris Evans

    50 cent

    I’ll Go into that later

    – can someone be both? If yes, then what would you call that person? …Ultimate Alpha?…lol”

    Yes , I would just call them a Alpha on both scales. Some of your cult leaders etc. are them. some office members famous people etc. ( some people who aren’t famous) lol…… I don’t know enough about Bill Clinton

    anyways there are some disconnects and mainly its by confusing the two . but yeah scale b basically includes all that shit guys love ( look at any what is red pill alpha post ) you get a guy who’s needless does his own shit confronts everything etc. etc…. lives his own life lololol

    But for scale A things like successful risk taker and knowing in situations if X female wants you to approach and you don’t the female considers you a beta

    But scale B will say WELL IF HE DIDNT WANT TO APPROACH HE DIDNT AND HES STILL ALPHA BECAUSE HE DID WHAT HE WANTED

    When on Scale B it doesn’t matter why he didn’t approach a opportunity was lost and his her eyes He now leans more Y amount on the Beta Side..

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