Selective Breeding

Why is it okay to kick a Beta male in the balls on TV or in the movies?

The cocky Beta who gets his comeuppance with a swift kick to the nuts from a Strong Independent Woman® archetype has been standard fare for comic relief in action-adventure movies for some time now. Why is this socially acceptable? In the most recent Avengers movie Starlord (Chriss Pratt) gets kneed in the groin when he – the lovable, humorous Beta male archetype – tries to reconnect with his ‘true love’ interest Gamora after she’d been killed in the prior movie. This is just one example, but so long as the character is definably a Beta (in comparison to definably Alpha male archetypes in the story) permission is granted to ridicule him by exploiting his greatest weakness; a kick in the nuts.

We see the attacking of men’s genitals as humorous because it conveys and confirms sexual selection cues. Only Beta men deserve to have their balls kicked as a confirmation of their sexual selection status. Attacking a woman sexually is tantamount to rape, so flipping the gender script in this instance is a non-starter with comparisons in the movies. In fact, men even speaking critically of women’s bodies is regularly used as an illustration of misogyny or presented as the typical abuse women must endure from body-shaming chauvinist men.

 If we look at the popular fiction of this era – the Avengers or Star Wars franchises for example – we can see the death of conventional masculinity played out in the erasure of Alpha male characters. Tony Stark (Iron Man), Steve Rodgers (Captain America), Han Solo, etc. are systematically removed from popular consciousness. Even Thor is a has-been alcoholic who’ll now be replaced by his female incarnation in the next “Thor” movie. And this is the model of masculinity that’s left for us. Laughable Beta males and Strong Independent Woman® who step up to fill the vacuum of powerful male characters that’s been written for them to fill.

Manspreading

Earlier this year I read a story about a staged protest by a Russian feminist girl who poured what we were told was a mixture of bleach and water onto the crotches of men who were manspreading on a subway train. With a critical eye you can sort of tell this was staged. Guys were sitting by themselves with no one else in an adjoining seat and she’d go up to them and pour a water bottle on their crotches. I’ve see similar protests before, and if you look at the linked video here today you can see how this ‘man spreading revenge’ fantasy plays out, even in commercials. 

Recently there was another woman who’s won some sort of design award for a chair she designed to discourage men from naturally spreading their legs when they sit. And, of course, she designed a companion chair that encourages women to spread their own legs. The male chair forces men to sit like a “proper lady” should. While some men try to defend this posture as the natural way guys just sit, I read a lot of commentary about how men’s sitting posture is an arrogant display of toxic masculinity because men were somehow taught to, or feel they must, take up more space when seated. Women’s frustration is ostensibly about the space men take up with their posture, and the more militant women presume it’s a behavior grounded in some unconscious sexism. “I’m more important as a man so I need to take up space.”

But manspreading isn’t about space. It’s about a display of genitals. Men with legs spread is a natural, often subconscious, Alpha posture. It’s a hindbrain signaling of confidence in men. Now, before you write me off here, think about this; if women’s primary concern was about men taking up space, then why attack a man’s genitals to force him to close it up? Why not simply ask him to close up a bit? Why is pouring water (bleach) on his crotch an acceptable punishment? Why is a hit to the balls a reflexive retaliation?

Women’s existential fear is having their Hypergamous filters bypassed by a clever Beta male impersonating an Alpha, breeding with him, and thereby saddled for a lifetime of support with the child of his inferior seed. Women’s evolved sensitivity to this filter extends to subconscious cues men display in their posture. Ergo, a man ‘spreading’ is perceived by a woman’s hindbrain as a false signal of Alpha by a Beta male. This triggers the existential fear response, thus attacking his manhood is doing all of womankind a favor by humiliating him for his attempt to deceive women’s filters.

I’m sure there’ll be some women (and their ‘allies’) who’ll think this is a stretch, but then, why is it acceptable to kick a man in the nuts when he’s spreading? Why is it that Starlord gets kicked in the balls and we laugh? Because a Beta male tried to pass himself off as an Alpha and retaliation was due. If a guy like Jason Mamoa was sitting spread-legged on a bus it would serve as an arousal cue for most women. Alpha status recognition is an automatic subconscious subroutine, fine tuned over millennia of evolution, in women. Women’s subconscious awareness instinctively reads SMV status and prompts behavior accordingly.

She Doesn’t Want Your Shitty Last Name

Or your shitty genetics for that matter. Patrilinear surnames are a symbolic stamp of ownership for men. They give a name to his genetics – a surname is associated with a specific genetic line. A man’s legacy is his genes and those genes need an identifier. One of the more controversial topics I debate online is the refusal of men’s surname by their wives. Women keeping their last names or hyphenating them in marriage is now a common sign of their independent spirit. Marriage is only acceptable to the Strong Independent Woman® when it looks more like an egalitarian business arrangement rather than a complementary pairing of a man and a woman who understand (and accept) the nature of their own gender. Traditional marriage looks too much like “ownership” for feminist wives and nümale husbands.

Blue Pill conditioned men are far more likely to be okay with their wives’ decision to keep her name, hyphenate it, or even take her name. After all, it’s the progressive thing to do and most believe on some level of consciousness that his accepting her independence in this way will make him more appreciated by her. The truth is this: his acquiescing to her in this way only reinforces what her hindbrain has already confirmed – she’s paired with a Beta male who wouldn’t give an afterthought to insisting his genetics bear his name. He confirms the low quality of his genetics to her hindbrain.

There are a lot of convenient social conventions that come along with a woman’s insistence on keeping her surname. Just like the excuse of men “taking up space” warrants terms like “manspreading”, women and nümales will appeal to pragmatism:

“She’s a doctor, lawyer, soon-to-be-famous-person and she need to maintain her identity for public relations reasons. Otherwise she’d totally take my last name dude.”

“I don’t want her to have a crummy last name like ‘Butts’ or something.”

“Taking a man’s last name is an antiquated symbol of patriarchal ownership of women. Haven’t we evolved past this yet? Are you so insecure in your masculinity that you’ll insist on her taking your name?”

These are a few of the cover stories, but the latent purpose is the same; women’s hindbrains must hedge their Hypergamous bets with men they know are Beta before pretending to commit to a lifetime of breeding and parental investment with them. For a woman marrying a man whom her subconscious acknowledges as Alpha, not assuming his name isn’t an afterthought to her. Women paired with a man who is a confirmed Alpha will often say “I didn’t want children, but I wanted to have his babies.”

The Alpha man inspires her to breed for his benefit.

We’re getting into sexy sons theory here, but the idea is that a significantly high SMV male can inspire women to become submissive/supportive wives and mothers. See my essay on Alpha Widows for more about this.

A woman in a good Hypergamous pairing accepts – desires – his authority, but also his genes. She doesn’t just want children, she wants his children. This then is signified (codified?) in his name passing on to her and their children. Even in ostensibly egalitarian marriages the kids generally retain the name of the male who fathered them (unless single-mom throws useful step-dad a bone and the kids change their name to his). Human beings are innately tribalistic (sorry Jordan). This tribalism is expressed in Selective Breeding practices extending from the personal to the social.

In 2019, and in the reproductive aftermath of the Sexual Revolution, these tribal distinctions are now left to women to determine in a confusing global sexual marketplace. Men’s innate drive for paternal certainty falls away in this environment. The existential fear and frustration that manifests from that drive still persists in men, but the practice of it gives way to women being the primary influencers in selective breeding – and how it will or won’t be expressed. It’s now a common practice for a woman to change the surname of children of a genetic ‘asshole’ father to that of the adoptive step-dad-who-stepped-up. Or the noble Promise Keeper son and holy protector of his single mom (and by extension all of womankind) who changes his last name to something else. 

But why? Why bother to go to that trouble if names are unimportant? If paternity doesn’t matter anyway, why go to the trouble of changing a name?

What Happens When She’s the One Who’s Out of Options?

As I mentioned, women’s existential fear is pairing herself with a Beta male who, through guile and deceptions, convinced her he’s an Alpha. But what happens when that woman runs out of options in her  Epiphany Phase? What happens when she’s forced to settle on the good-enough Beta (the guy Sheryl Sandberg assured women “nothing’s sexier”) because she can’t lock down the Alpha whose babies she wants to have?

She can continue searching indefinitely. The social conventions established by the Feminine Imperative convinces women that their sexual market value (SMV) is unending and imperishable. Those conventions also combine with others that shame men for being so infantile in preferring women who are ‘younger, hotter, tighter’. This shaming gets extended to convincing Beta men they should “align their dating strategies” to prefer mature women who “now have their heads on straight”. The idea that an older woman is more mature and therefore ought to be considered more desirable by men is conveniently positioned in women’s Epiphany Phase – so is the Myth of the Biological Clock.

Or she can settle for the less-than-ideal Beta male she’d never have opted for in her Party Years. Women have various psychological and sociological mechanisms in place to help them rationalize this settling on a Beta in Waiting.

  • Plan B: There’s always a fallback guy. Generally this is one Beta for another, better positioned Beta though. If one were “alpha” he’d already be the Plan A. (Be the A Guy). It’s important to note that if the Plan B Beta eventually ‘alphas up’ in some perceivable way, this generally throws a woman into a psychological conflict.
  • She convinces herself that ‘settling’ is really who she is in that moment. Most women genuinely believe in their Epiphany Phase rationales. Most would probably pass a polygraph test if you asked them if they genuinely felt the way they do about their decisions during this time of their lives. However, Hypergamy and its fundamental rules don’t change for women even when they believe something new about themselves. And often enough that ‘genuine’ belief is motivated by their subconscious understanding about their state n life as a result of their mating strategy.

Make Rules for Betas – Break Rules for Alphas

This is a fundamental understanding for Red Pill awareness. It’s one of the easiest indicators men can use to determine a woman’s interest in them, or her subconscious understanding of your status as a man. Is she making more rules for you to obey, more hoops for you to jump through in order to qualify for her ‘love’ (i.e. sexual access)?  She probably sees you as a Beta. Is she breaking her rules, the rules she believes she needs to follow in her new (Epiphany) phase of life, in order to get into situations where she can facilitate sex with you? Is she putting off responsibilities in order to enjoy herself with you? She probably sees you as Alpha.

This rule-setting or breaking is a basic litmus test for genuine desire. Women’s hindbrains grasp this  too. If a woman is setting rules for a man, her subconscious understands that he’s predominantly Beta. Because she needs to set rules, because it seems like logic to refuse his surname (another rule) and because he accepts these rules – even encourages them in himself and other men – his status is confirmed as a Beta. Only a Beta would need rules. Only a Beta would comply with those rules.

I should add that this is the basis of all transactional relationships. Jump through hoop (obey rule), get sex. An Alpha, by nature, would have options to replace a woman who made rules for him. Furthermore, it wouldn’t occur to a woman to issue rules with an Alpha man whose babies she wants to have. Hypergamy can’t afford to issue rules to Alpha men.

The Inner War

If women’s existential fear is being tricked into reproducing with a Beta male, then forcing herself to settle on a suboptimal man must inspire an inner conflict in her. There are lots of controversial self-help books published by women on both sides of this conflict. Some argue for women to accept a Beta guy and just make the best of it, others (especially religious books) argue that a woman should never compromise herself and wait for the best man (the ‘soulmate’ husband God has preordained for her) to present himself to her. There are more than a few Purple Pill “relationship experts” who cater to this demographic of women, and they do very well marketing new age magic and cutesy aphorisms to resolve this inner war.

I characterize this war as a conversation between a woman’s Id and her Ego. 

The Epiphany Phase forces her sensualism-seeking, ‘hawt’, short-term sexual (breeding) opportunism to come to terms with the necessity of her long-term security needs. Alpha Fucks (her Id) wars with Beta Bucks (her Ego) in her head – and all with the urgency of knowing that her SMV is decaying to the point where she must either take action or convincingly rationalize why she doesn’t need to take action. Her Ego knows her SMV is in decline and long-term security / parenting / family is becoming less and less available to her. But her Id still wants what it wants; ‘hawt’ sex with ‘hawt’ guys. And she’s still ‘hawt’ too – the feminine-primary world says it all the time “Never Settle Gurl!” – she ‘deserves’ only the best.

Thus, the conversation leads to varying degrees of compromise to outright self-delusions prompted by outside influences (i.e. social media). Plan B is a compromise. Refusing his last name is a compromise (or hedging of her Hypergamous bets). Making rules for, and endlessly testing, a Beta to assuage the Hypergamous doubt (“is he the best I can do?”) is a compromise.

And Choreplay, that’s just sexual filibustering.

Today, the new fascination with ‘Poly’ or ‘open relationships’ is also one more methodology women are using to make a compromise between the Alpha Fucks her Id needs and the Beta Bucks her Ego knows is necessary for her future security and happiness. “Alternative relationship strategy” is the latest euphemism for Poly, but it really distills down to a means for women to find a way to balance the Hypergamous equation. She’ll marry the Beta, but it should necessarily mean she has to have sex with him. Poly relationships are a compromise.

Ideally women would love to give themselves to a worthy man. To follow his plan for their lives,…and she’d like to feel the kind of attraction to him that would inspire the trust that he would do so for her and her children’s benefit. 

“I wanted to have his babies.” — this is Hypergamy balancing Alpha Seed with Beta Need perfectly.

Today though, women wait too long. They believe the lies of their own Blue Pill, that their SMV is never depleted. They don’t look for this balance anymore. They don’t even expect to find it; one man is for a same night lay, the other is boyfriend material

Published by Rollo Tomassi

Author of The Rational Male and The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine

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@Eh…

Actually, Mrs. Havercamp has the best lines.

Wheeeee!
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3.That must be the tea

Brilliant

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This ‘n That… Unpleasant Red Pill truth: Alphas reproduce. You might be able to “pull” a girl in four minutes, but if you don’t reproduce, you ain’t alpha. You might have a notch count in the hundreds, but if you don’t reproduce, you ain’t alpha. Being a PUA with a big notch count is no guarantee that you are alpha. You have a right to not reproduce. You have a right to be a PUA and not reproduce. You have a right to be a Darwin Award winner or candidate. But you cannot be Red Pill if you claim to… Read more »

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“Munro: Cornell Study Shows Stagnant Wages Hurting Marriage in U.S.”

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/09/06/munro-cornell-study-shows-stagnant-wages-hurting-marriage-u-s/

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@Blax killing it tonight. @Ads – Sigh, I don’t want to reproduce – I just want to cum inside them. See: T-Rex doesn’t want to eat, it wants to hunt…I’ll be with my hb9.5 on sunday for and will cum inside her again, which she calls “her favorite thing”. only god knows how many kids i have. women don’t chase me down for paternity or child support, they have you fucking pussies to take care of all that, hehe. they just want me to fuck them. hb9.5 (perhaps the hotttest woman i’ve ever fucked, 19yo – 5’11”, model quality beautiful)… Read more »

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RedPillNewb @SJF Bro. I’ve read nearly every post here and bought all 3 of Rollo’s books. I’m not trolling. I am newly addicted to RP and learning. I am personally having the “crises” I referred to and seeking answers. I feel guilty and would like to resolve these internal issues. Well, you don’t have to be so obtuse and ask a general question, when you have a specific issue. Wtf are you getting at? Guilty about what? Are you spinning your mind thoughts? Not aligning what you want with what you are doing? Stop wasting time. What’s the problem? And… Read more »

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@scribblerg

Dont agree word for word, but I can agree with the sentiment.

When married men use try to use their kids to define themselves as alpha, that’s textbook blue pill. But everbody has their role to play in society, and civilization depends on those types to keep the lights on.

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sorry bro your hamsters running harder as you get older. I used to read your shit a lot but now it just comes across as a guy with nothing better to do with his time than theory craft conspiracies. Maybe there’s a minority of women who behave this way fine, but it’s nothing to do with alpha or beta males, they’re sick people who’ve been brainwashed with hate. it’s not about genetic fitness and frankly if anything, they know on some level they aren’t genetically fit themselves, so their direct their self loathing outward on other people. psych 101

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Rudolph Hypergamy assumes that women can get a foot on the bottom rung of the ladder to start with. And that the ladder is actually there. In one of the locations I’m living, the vast majority of the women are simply awful. Over weight tatted radical feminist+++. The very idea that they should have any options with men stretches the Male thirst theory to the absolute limit. Add to that a situation where a lot of the men are more feminine than the women and you’ve got an odd situation. I’m sure that a lot of men are actually turning… Read more »

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@ anonymous reader I knew someone would be along to over intellectualise the shit out of my comment before too long thanks man. I didn’t actually think if put through that ordeal the GF would actually prefer to Die in reality but I took the RP take on it that she’s really saying that taking away a woman’s ability/choice to mate optimise is the almost the worst thing you can do to her! She FEELS that she would rather be dead and that’s what Betas are dealing with a level of revulsion that they cannot comprehend because “hey I’m a… Read more »

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Came across this 2016 article and I think it captures the ability of the hamster to engage in two conflicting realities without being bothered by it. https://www.redbookmag.com/love-sex/sex/a47424/why-women-like-rough-sex/ Her explanations are absurd. Submission isn’t a form of control of the sexual experience – doms like me know the difference. Women who approach submission like that are “domming from the bottom” and such girls get bounced by me before I even meet them now. Some girls think it’s cool to say “yeah, i’m submissive” thinking it’s a role they can play. No. What women like about submission is not being in control,… Read more »

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More research backing up Hypergamy. Not the original source but I like zerohedge

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-09-06/researchers-blame-marriage-rate-decline-lack-economically-attractive-men

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Great post scribs I concur 100%.

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Most men have no idea how unlovable they are to most women , they are in-fact at best invisible and at worst outright repulsive to the majority of women, but they never see it. Playdontpay — Yep. Basically women divide men into two main groups: (1) sexy/want-to-be-fucked-by/alpha and (2) other. They all do this, and they all know they do it. Category (1) is referred to as “real men” by women, and these are the men women will chase and qualify themselves to for sex, break “rules” for, etc. Category (2) is further subdivided into useful and useless — that… Read more »

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Lotta truth here this morning.

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@scribb “Sigh, I don’t want to reproduce – I just want to cum inside them.” Do you love your grandchildren? God forbid, how would you feel if they all passed away? How would you feel if your line ended with you? “only god knows how many kids i have. women don’t chase me down for paternity or child support, they have you fucking pussies to take care of all that, hehe. they just want me to fuck them.” lol How much do you pay to the Great Alpha in Washington? “i don’t want another family that some woman can just… Read more »

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“it’s about babies all the way down.”

Which some men deny, but others obsess over.

Then there are men who get on with their lives during the course of which babies naturally happen.

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“its about babies all the way down”

Sounds like something a woman would say.

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“Sounds like something a woman would say.”

No, it’s something a biologist would say. Women respond by saying that they have “intrinsic” value and aren’t “baby makers.” Sometimes they say it while on the way to an abortion clinic. Women hate biology. It’s “oppressive.”

Life is defined by reproduction. No reproduction, no life. And that’s the jack, Fact. Note that there is no moral judgement attached.

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Note that under social conditions that existed within my living memory women would kill themselves in order to abort an unwanted child.

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Note also that under those conditions it was men who wanted as many babies as they could manage to sire. Women are hypergamous, men are promiscuous. Women nurture an egg. Men spread seed.

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Playdontpay I didn’t actually think if put through that ordeal the GF would actually prefer to Die in reality but I took the RP take on it that she’s really saying that taking away a woman’s ability/choice to mate optimise is the almost the worst thing you can do to her! On topic comment. She FEELS that she would rather be dead and that’s what Betas are dealing with a level of revulsion that they cannot comprehend because “hey I’m a nice guy etc”. Sure, her feelz are her realze. But it’s just the feelze of the moment. Because women… Read more »

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@ kfg

Nobody is challenging anybody’s religious beliefs. If you want to try to reframe alpha male identity by the number of times you didn’t use birth control, you’re free to make that personal decision. Every little sperm is sacred. Whoever dies with the most kids wins.

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@Scribb Good to hear from you again. I always look forward to your posts. Glad to see you’re out there tearing it up. Especially important recap of your past Blue Pill self. I like that you can admit that you were fully immersed in the Blue Pill and wanted the fantasy, but don’t dwell on it. It was there, and now it’s dead. That’s that. But it is important to know that you went through that trial by fire for guys who are still in the process of burning the Beta alive. It’s a slow burn. Unless a guy was… Read more »

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@Fact:

“Nobody is challenging anybody’s religious beliefs.”

ASD may beg to differ, but that’s up to him.

“If you want to try to reframe alpha male . . .”

And I said nothing about alpha male identity.

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Sometimes I can’t tell if people try to be purposefully dense as fuck, or if it’s totally by accident.

If there were only 50 million people left on earth, and they never reproduced, human life as we know it would cease in one century.

Babies all the way down. Biology.

If a billion men decided to not reproduce, the remaining men had better eat their wheaties because the demand Will be high.

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“If a billion men decided to not reproduce, the remaining men had better eat their wheaties because the demand Will be high”

Fact: “everbody has their role to play in society, and civilization depends on those types to keep the lights on”

Now get back to work!!! 😛

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Civilization depends on more than sex. Slackers die and more are produced by accident and feminism.😂

As long as the drag isn’t too great, slackers eat. But when the drag becomes too much……guess what happens historically?

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Man with 3 kids more alpha than man with 2 kids?
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@Fact

You need about a generation to find that out. Sometimes two!

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“Then there are men who get on with their lives during the course of which babies naturally happen.”

This ranks right up there with the advice to just be yourself. With women putting a high priority on higher ed and career, babies aren’t happening.

“ASD may beg to differ, but that’s up to him.”

Lol, where the fuck did this come from?

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Education and career aren’t the main drivers as to why women aren’t having kids ( the way they used to ). Lol, most women aren’t in college or in demanding,high paying jobs. You do go outside and walk around sometimes, right? Let’s agree to not make any more broad and sweeping excuses that don’t cover the ” majority “. The majority of young men and women aren’t college educated and earn pretty much shit. Most 20+ year old girls carry more.debt than I do. Popular culture and habits drive young folks apart, stunt the maturation process, and create socially awkward… Read more »

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If its about the babies, that makes Jim Bob the dominant alpha of the married red pill corner of the manosphere.

lulz

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Yeah lulz.

You’re being willfully ignorant.

Nobody , and I mean nobody ( but you ) is conflating ” alpha ” with having kids.

But maybe you can find another picture and stay on your message.

Have at it hoss.

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“If its about the babies, that makes Jim Bob the dominant alpha . . .”

You seem to be laboring under the misapprehension that the “it” in “it’s babies all the way down” is alpha. It isn’t. The “it” is life.

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“Let’s agree to not make any more broad and sweeping excuses that don’t cover the ” majority “. but: “The majority of young men and women aren’t college educated and earn pretty much shit. Most 20+ year old girls carry more.debt than I do. Popular culture and habits drive young folks apart, stunt the maturation process, and create socially awkward humans. That’s a bigger problem than wimminz working and learning too much to get pregnant.” One of these statements is discordant with the other. One gets pulled into the top down how things are these days. It doesn’t matter how… Read more »

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@SJF

“I rarely see socially awkward humans.

Partly engineered by me, partly engineered by good others. Which I select to associate with.”

Yup – clear the shit people out of your life.

I’m ruthless at this.

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Palma I lurv sjf, but sometimes he suffers from umc/silver spoon blindspots. Family ski trips and all that. I.wasn’t referring to the ” shit ” people though.. Just average American youth out of 300+ million people. Being optimistic and all is one strategy that’s useful until it makes you oblivious. I grew up around working class folks that bought homes and put there kids through college when they could. Most of those kids didn’t aquire crushing debt. Used to be you could work in a factory and make a life and raise a family I’d you chose to do so.… Read more »

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Blax

“Everybody won’t work in stem or wall street or become doctors and lawyers.”

Well a shockingly large and growing number of UMC kids are working in retail – coffee, food services, opening stores etc.

I’d be surprised if the same number of their kids even go to college. Dad may still be paying for his and mom’s student loans.

But they did do that semester abroad, which was nice.

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“Then there are men who get on with their lives during the course of which babies naturally happen.” kfg, babies aren’t happening in the U.S. enough to sustain the native population. Same with most western countries. Because of immigration, the population of the U.S. is actually rising. That keeps the consumer economy going. But you are sticking your head in the sand if you say that there isn’t a problem. And the problem is huuuuge. The powers that be are deliberately ignoring the problem. If they weren’t, reproduction rates would be the lead story in the news every day. The… Read more »

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“I grew up around working class folks that bought homes and put there kids through college when they could. Most of those kids didn’t aquire crushing debt. Used to be you could work in a factory and make a life and raise a family I’d you chose to do so. Everybody won’t work in stem or wall street or become doctors and lawyers.”

or academia–that industry is huge.

I paid off my $3k student debt in less than a year on combined income of $24k. What has changed in higher education between then and now?

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Sentient

I see a lot of the same things, but if you can lock yourself away from broader society at the golf/social clubs long enough, I guess one can tell themselves anything.

Every day I drive from a working class environ to a super zip, and I get to hear with both ears how some of the umc folks are struggling to provide lifelong opportunity for their offspring in the manner they’ve become accustomed to. The country clubs will be vacant in another generation.

Hopefully there will be enough retail jobs available.

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In the future we will all make our livings by delivering Amazon packages to each others houses.

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Asd It’s 2019 pal. What’s changed? Did you really ask that! Lol, I put one child through college in the 2000’s, and have the other currently attending. I think I read somewhere recently that ” college ” has gone up something like 400% since I attended. I worked my way through and left debt free by working at McDonalds and dunkin donuts. A lot has changed and continues to do so. Same with having kids. Kids cost money. I wanted 4 or 5 kids, but settled on a number I could reasonably afford to raise. On top of all the… Read more »

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Amazon prime is king 👑.

I debate my business minded friends who maintain that the answer to amassing wealth is to be a business owner and entrepreneur.

But the customers need to have money/disposable income.

Right now we run mostly on debt. Great for the banks, horrible for actual people. But there’s a fix – 40-50 year mortgages and 10 year auto loans.

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The thing is, the whole thing can be tanking at the 30,000 foot level, and it probably is doing so, but as an individual the only thing you can control is what is happening in your own life. The rest is “given context” — the environment within which you have to make choices about your own life. It isn’t subject to being changed by you in the same way as your own life is, so it doesn’t make sense to focus on the 30,000 foot issue, but instead to focus on your own life. It’s true that a lot of… Read more »

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“I’d be ashamed to admit that I’m a Darwin Award candidate or that I will settle for being half a man instead of working to make myself into a man whom women want to have sex with.” Naw. Not when only about 5-10% of the women post 23 are putting any effort at all towards making themselves into women that men want to have sex with. It has to be at least a somewhat level playing field or it’s just going headlong into degradation and wasted time. I can’t blame this guy at all for utilizing the escort life and… Read more »

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I’m more concerned with the “everyone else” coming to deal with me.

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(cue OMG digital-alpha chest-beating and stories of 19 year old 9’s keeping a thermos of their semen in their purse)

I see what you did there.

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I’m more concerned with the “everyone else” coming to deal with me.

Agree — the 30,000 foot issue eventually plays itself out and has an impact on everyone.

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Yup.

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No man should WORK towards being a man women want to have sex with. That’s the realm of pua.

A man should work towards being the best he can be, because he’s a man. Full stop. The sex thing usually works itself out.

5-10% of women, huh?

Interesting percentage.

MUst depend on where one lives.

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In the future we will all make our livings by delivering Amazon packages to each others houses.

That’s a relief. I thought we were all going to be government services employees.

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Thanks for the talking to, Blax. I’m a different man now. LOL. So relentless. One would think you’d be out riding buffalo through a thunderstorm with a damsel (HB9, 19 years old) under each arm, instead of LIVING FOR YEARS in the RM comments section. Commence OMG digi-alpha cyber hug/support session.

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Authoress of the original “Big Character Poster” of the Cultural Revolution dies at 98.
Even the NY Times sorta kinda hints that maybe Mao’s plan wasn’t the best.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/03/world/asia/nie-yuanzi-dead.html?action=click&module=Latest&pgtype=Homepage

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@Blax

When no one stands up for men that’s what you get. There is an insidious plot not only to destroy manhood, but also dissolve sovereignty and self-determination in the process.

Friendship is a gift. And it’s worth nothing if it is extended to just any man.

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Sorry off topic….but is there a recommendation for a good beginner book on “Game”. I know there is a ton of online resources but I just want to buy a book. Is the Mystery Method still the book to buy? Thx

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I lurv SJF, but sometimes he suffers from umc/silver spoon blindspots. I.wasn’t referring to the ” shit ” people though.. Just average American youth out of 300+ million people. Being optimistic and all is one strategy that’s useful until it makes you oblivious. I cured my blindspots by having other men in my tribe check me. And they did in spades. That is one of the greatest things ever. To have another man make you prove your merit. Which is pretty much evident in the current “warring” and posturing in the Balkanized manophere. The guys that are content providers with… Read more »

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“….but is there a recommendation for a good beginner book on “Game”.” What type of Game? I assume single guy getting laid game. Right? Who are you and what do you want to do? The best book I ever read on game was Manual of Seduction by Franco. It is about Alpha attitude. But universal in single guy, vs. LTR Game. https://www.amazon.com/Manual-Seduction-Franco-Meet-Women-ebook/dp/B018YAGH4A If you want regular other books to read on game, Roosh’s Bang and Day bang got good reviews. I read Bang a while ago and it was good. Krauser on Rollo’s blogroll has a lot of good books… Read more »

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“Now we’re getting into a conundrum. At what point are the women so low value and so apathetic towards men that STILL trying to alpha up/win their approval just becomes the same begging/pedestalization that typifies betas?” At the point of doing it for approval of course. Alpha is created from competition with/ between males,while impressing the opposite sex may be involved, this is secondary to protection and sustenance. “If women are of such low value is just walking away from them the actual alpha move?” They still need a father or big brother or a male model of alpha even… Read more »

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ALL human-beings are intrinsically valuable.

I think all this talk about “beta men” being worthless needs to stop as it’s not true nor helpful.

Why is so much talk based upon just women’s pre-conceived thinking?

It’s not reality.

ALL MEN AND WOMEN can better themselves if they simply choose to.

It always comes down to CHOICE!

But even at default NO ONE is “worthless” as a human-being created in God’s Image.

~ Bro. Jed

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Calhoun was working an overcrowding experiment with the necessary inputs of unlimited food sustenance and a protected environment both of which may have had more effect than the overcrowding itself. All of these stimuli could contribute to epigenetic mutations over an extended period.

https://www.whatisepigenetics.com/what-is-epigenetics/

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“Why is so much talk based upon just women’s pre-conceived thinking?”

Basically just to show men in a matriarchal social order the emotionally regulated female thought process and to point out the absurdity of attaching any weight to it (“women’s pre-conceived thinking?”).

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KFG: In the future we will all make our livings by delivering Amazon packages to each others houses.

Lost Patrol: That’s a relief. I thought we were all going to be government services employees.

That’s what I said. We have always been at war with Target Walmart, Brother.

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@kfg @Lost Patrol

Amazon delivery? But what about the Princes in Nigeria? They can’t do those deliveries!
Won’t anyone think of them?

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“In the future we will all make our livings by delivering Amazon packages to each others houses”

Lost Patrol: “That’s a relief. I thought we were all going to be government services employees”

In the future, Amazon might be the government.

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“We have always been at war with Target Walmart, Brother.”

Except when we are indifferent to them.

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“Asd It’s 2019 pal. What’s changed? Did you really ask that! Lol, I put one child through college in the 2000’s, and have the other currently attending. I think I read somewhere recently that ” college ” has gone up something like 400% since I attended.” Only 400%? Are you sure about that? I’ve read that college costs increase 7% per year. Assuming that tuition goes up at the same rate, that means that tuition doubles every ten years. If you went to college thirty years ago, then tuition has increased 800%. Of course I put kids through college a… Read more »

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“Today though, women wait too long. They believe the lies of their own Blue Pill, that their SMV is never depleted.”

Lol, Rollo hints at the point that women have lost a lot of their fecundity and fertility because of college and career for which women delay pregnancy. And this was my point, which was downvoted.

Most of you “Red Pillers” shade just a tad blue.

XD

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“But what about the Princes in Nigeria?” it’s a tough job,somebodys gotta do it.

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Interesting discussion about the UMC, lemmings is a good description of most of them. The UMC is going to get hit hard during the next downturn a lot of their wealth if they have any is paper wealth and their offspring while “educated” is caught up in UMC lemming land with all their payments.

The next 50 years of the USA will belong to the hustlers/con men at all levels.

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So a continuation of the last 50 years then…

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@Sentient

Pretty much, the manosphere/redpill is no exception, plenty of hustlers/con men on all sides.

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Foxguy I don’t wish ill will towards the UMC because technically, I qualify at the lower end of the spectrum. It’s just not a ” club ” I believe in because mostly they appear delusional and overly self centered. I’m with sentient 100%, in that it’s only smart to at least understand what’s going on around you, even away from the country club and outside of a small group of people that are exactly like you and believe and cosign each other. As Novaseeker said, there are 30,000 feet problems, then there are the things a man can immediately control… Read more »

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@Blax Same here, don’t wish them any bad, but it’s clear they are the sheep that are going to get sheared in the next downturn, as you said correct because “that’s where the money is”. I may qualify as UMC(don’t care) I was born to poverty but these guys believe in the whole financial system, lock stock and barrel, especially leveraged paper wealth. When you think about it they have no real choice other to believe in it as most don’t have no real skills beyond their chosen specialization. They are as you point pretty tone deaf as to what… Read more »

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LOL Nice try Blax. So what you are saying is that you don’t wish ill will against UMC folks, but they are a bunch of ignorant, insular losers that don’t have hardships and that makes them weak. And they are not doing their fair share if they subscribe to Law #10 (even among their elitist punk ass selves). And that their wealth is at risk in 5,4,3,2,1…. Not hardly. Got any other windmills to tilt at?/imaginary enemies to pontificate about? How would you otherwise give advice to any one young man? Don’t go to college, especially don’t have your parents… Read more »

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Self sufficiency never included having your parents hold your hand.

I council young men to truly be self sufficient first. Do all that you can for yourself, then you’ll really appreciate when people step up to help. That way he won’t trick himself into believing that he’s self made and has had ” struggles “..

Again, nothing against people that have basically had it easy for whatever reason, until they try to present themselves as having overcome life’s nastier obstacles.

That’s all I’m saying.

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Self sufficiency never included having your parents hold your hand. I council young men to truly be self sufficient first. In 1979, my father asked me where I decided to go to college as I was helping him do some yardwork on a rental property. I said: “Notre Dame”. He asked how I was going to pay for it. I told him I have some money saved up and my mother promised to help. He replied: “That’s my money too, you know….” and “I want my kid to have every opportunity to go to school that I did: None!” (He… Read more »

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People ask me to predict the Future, when all I want to do is prevent it. Better yet, build it. Predicting the future is much too easy, anyway. You look at the people around you, the street you stand on, the visible air you breathe, and predict more of the same. To hell with more. I want better. –Ray Bradbury

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Foxguy True story: the owner and coo at the company I work for is the same age as I am. He inherited the business when his father, whom I adored, passed away. His son however, never had an actual job. He went to ” the best business schools and ivy league schools “, but his only work experience was at the company his father inherited when the man that actually built the company from nothing but an idea and balls. I like the son/current owner as a person, but I understand that he was raised in a different atmosphere. His… Read more »

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“His son however, never had an actual job […] The old man worked 5 days a week, and took 3 weeks vacation a year. The son is hardly at work, and takes off to climb mountains and sail and ski and buy homes”

Sounds like your boy Dan Bilzerian.

https://moneyinc.com/dan-bilzerian-net-worth/

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“Self sufficiency never included having your parents hold your hand.”

Never?

Could we agree a hand up is better than a hand out?

Functional interdependence is predicated by independence.

Independence isn’t the goal here. Knowing how one best serves another is the best way to serve oneself. Case in point, knowing how a woman needs to be treated elicits likewise treatment.

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An old saw analogy regarding all this is how sheep, wolves and goats function.

Sheep are dependent and vulnerable.

Wolves are independent and live harsh lives.

Goats are aware within the flock of sheep beyond the sheep and warn of impending danger. They live well.

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The predictions of the decline of the U.S. are predicated on things continuing as before. But Trump is a break in the downward spiral and is indicative of a new wind.

There are two continuing factors behind the new wind: lower immigration and an aging populace. Both of these factors herald a conservative renaissance, of which Trump is the forerunner.

Add in the fact that the Red Pill is becoming more widespread and you will see more resistance to feminism, especially among young men. This does not bode well for liberalism.

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The people who don’t want you to help your kids be better than their kids are cheap/worthless asses who probably want to enslave your children at some point.

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@Blax

“There’s usually a difference in those that build and those that are given.”

The ones that are given often lose it.

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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5bbdy8tMlFw&feature=youtu.be

Just for fun! Hope everyone is good here.

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Yollo Agree, but define ” help “. Do you lie, cheat, steal and manipulate to ” help ” your kids? Or do you teach and train them to be competitive and intelligent? Setting up mechanisms where people just automatically succeed and advance because ” legacy ” is a problem. Like those people that paid to get their kids into colleges and fudged s.a.t. Scores. Those folks excuses are that they were trying to help their kids. Okay, cool, but ” systems ” shouldn’t allow that ( in a perfect world ), because these people often get to bypass pitfalls and… Read more »

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@Blax Yeah he or his wife are going to run that company into the ground that type of mismanagement can go on for awhile but eventually it comes out, GE is a perfect example. I remember one of my friends telling me a story about Jack Welch back a long time ago, his friends dad was on the executive team and would regularly dine with Welch. Apparently Jack’s main concern at the time was how cut as much people as possible to boost quarterly numbers. This story was told to me before the current GE mess and at time Welch… Read more »

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@Blax

You’re right. People shouldn’t vet their company. They should just associate with anyone. Regardless what their reputation is.

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Wut?

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I’m saying you’re imagining things.

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Blaximus

You said you’re technically umc .what does that mean

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“Or do you teach and train them to be competitive and intelligent?” Discipline can not be trained. I ask this to my children: “If you could be one and only one of the following, what would it be. Intelligent or Successful or Popular or Good?” Their answer is a reflection of my influence on them, not of them.. Any answer other than “Good” is an indictment of my fatherhood. Reason is many have been the other three, or a combination of, and been truly horrible people. Generally we make people, ourselves included, much worse than we make them better by… Read more »

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Strongly and vehemently disagree.

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“The assumption is incompetence. How’s a young guy to react to that?”

Hopefully not with rage, contempt, or un-earned confidence.

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Discipline can absolutely be trained, self discipline stems from the individual discipline shown to children, you can acquire it as an adult but it’s much harder.

This is not some murky area, it’s very clear , my dad only had an elementary education but he was one of the most disciplined people I knew growing up and it had a huge impact on me. He didn’t have to say jack all I had to do was watch and know he was highly disciplined, I am showing my son the same.

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Most of you guys (Blax, Eh) are talking past one another.

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