The Global Sexual Marketplace

Before I launch into today’s essay I want to throw out a few caveats. The first is a reminder of my long-time policy of dealing with issues of race, politics and religion; and that’s to say it’s my practice leave these topics to other blogs and other writers unless those topics cross over into intersexual dynamics that are pertinent to Red Pill awareness. I feel like I need make this clear as I’m going to get into issues of race and how intersexual relations are modified by these issues today. It’s always been my belief that the shared input and related experiences of men of all races, cultures and nationality is one of the greatest strengths of the Red Pill. So it’s with this in mind that I think we need to address some of these experiences.

What got me on to this topic was the video I’ve linked above here today. As most of you know I’m not a proponent of the idea of a “Black Pill”. That is the ‘black’ part of understanding the harsh realities of what Red Pill awareness opens men’s eyes to. Accepting the uglier nature of intersexual dynamics and how it plays into today’s sexual marketplace is often something that drives some men to a kind of despondency. It can be really depressing to have Red Pill awareness destroy your long-held Blue Pill ideals – particularly when those ideals helped to give you a sense of hope in spite of your instincts telling you something different.

When I was at the 21 Convention last October I had a discussion with Dr. Shawn Smith about the nature of the Blue Pill. His question to me was something like “Don’t you think that some guys need at least a little Blue Pill to keep them going?” I’m paraphrasing here, but I’ve actually touched on this in a few prior essays. In essence, it should follow that human beings can’t handle too much ‘reality’. This is why we look for escapisms and turn our otherwise rational minds to something like faith. The human mind tries to remain hopeful in the face of dire realities; which also follows evolutionarily. Those humans who stayed optimistic in the face of crushing reality didn’t off themselves in despair and consequently passed on their genes.

That’s the nuts & bolts of it (yes, I know there’s more to it), but is this a feature or a bug in today’s realities? Willfully choosing conscious ignorance while your rational mind knows the truth can lead to despondency and depression. It’s the observer effect – observing a process will change that process – only, you’re playing that game with yourself. So, is a little bit of our Blue Pill conditioning a good thing if it gives us a hope that keeps us alive?

I’d have to say no. Because once you unplug from the Matrix going back to that ignorance is really impossible. Something in your hindbrain knows the truth about the fantasy you construct for yourself. Again, it’s playing the observer effect on oneself. And it’s just this simple truth that makes a lot of guys who are unprepared for the anger and nihilism that comes from Red Pill disillusionment to come up with things like a ‘Black Pill’.

But this essay isn’t about dealing with that despondency. I’ve already written that essay in A New Hope. This essay is about one of those ugly truths that Red Pill men have to evolve new adaptations for. You see, there is no ‘Black Pill’ – there is only the space in between a man dealing with his despondency about a harsh Red Pill truth and his crossing the abyss to accepting that truth and doing something with that information to better his life.

Local vs Global SMP

Watch the video I linked here. It’s by Black Pill 101, a channel that specializes in exactly the harsh realities of Red Pill awareness I mentioned above. It doesn’t pull any punches and for that I’m in agreement with them. Men deserve the unvarnished truth; without it they founder. This video outlines the innate difficulties Asian men face in the Global Sexual Marketplace. One of the most common requests I get for counseling is from Asian or Indian men asking me to help them improve their game. Many of them believe I have some Game solution to their getting laid with an SMV 6-7 they know from work. Many of them think they might have a chance with a modest SMV 6 if they either had some specialized technique or they could simply earn another $250K annual salary.

I honestly feel for Asian/Indian men in this respect. When I read about Aziz Ansari’s #MeToo’ing I read with morbid fascination watching his story play out with another ‘cute’ (SMV6-7) white girl. This is the stereotypical interaction. With my Red Pill Lens I saw a girl conflicted by her attraction to Aziz’s social proof (celebrity) with her visceral reaction to becoming intimate with a guy she simply wasn’t all that aroused by. This is just my personal experience, but I’ve counseled Indian (and a few Asian) men who all share a very similar frustration – they really want to get with a white American girl but they are sexually invisible to the vast majority of them.

Black Pill 101 lays out this frustration from Asian men’s perspective. If you happen to be an Asian or Indian man I’d encourage you to add your own experiences in the comments here. But from my own interactions with these men the story revolves around their investment in locking down an average white woman. They aren’t looking to spin plates. They want an LTR with a girl and most of them tend to fixate on one they know from work or a friend of a friend. Maybe that lean towards monogamy is a cultural thing, but they all seem to set their sights on the average, seemingly attainable, American girl. And almost universally they are relegated to the ‘friend zone’ or the go ‘Black Pill’ in frustration.

I’m going to look at the bigger picture here while I try to answer why this is so commonly case. In our tribalist, hunter/gatherer ancestral past our naturalistic sexual marketplace was limited to what a very localized group of individuals had to offer. We might’ve lived in groups of 100-150 ‘natives’ of our tribe. In that tribe maybe there were 10-12 females who would’ve been potential breeding/pairing candidates for a young man.

There are general arousal cues that are universal to all humans across cultures. Natural cross-culture beauty standards is something that’s been widely studied since the mid seventies – globalized beauty standards and physical prowess cues – however, the context in which those cues are expressed are (were) buffered by whatever that localized sexual marketplace (SMP) can realistically manifest.

Example: Height in men something universally agreed on as attractive/arousing for women. This is a globalized attraction cue in women. Girls all over the world overwhelmingly prefer a man to be taller than they are. This is an evolved preference because the survival implications are that a taller man is (generally) an easily identifiable aspect of physical prowess. Height implies a capacity for protection, an imposed dominance, and is a signifier of presence in a male dominance hierarchy. Whether this is the actual case is irrelevant. All that matters is that a woman’s preference for tall men to breed and pair with.

The average height of a Filipino man is around 5′ 4″. Prior to the Spanish colonizing the Philippines all Filipino women knew of men was that 5′ 4″ man. And to the 4′ 11″ average Filipino woman that was attractive. A 5′ 6-7″ man was a giant by the local SMP standards.

But the global SMP standards are simply ‘taller men are more attractive’. So when the Spanish/Western peoples came to the island it introduced Filipinas to a new standard: the 5′ 7″ Spanish man. Now the globalized SMP began to modify the local SMP. Then, eventually, along came the first 6 foot tall Caucasian European guy. Then the first Black man, etc. Gradually the localized (previously tribally-defined) SMP to include the new possibilities of women breeding/pairing with men outside their own tribe.

Localized Contingencies

This is only one easy example of how a globalized standard of what defines the whole of the sexual marketplace redefines, and often replaces, the localized standard of attraction/arousal for women. There are many other ways this out-tribe influence introduces a new global standard for the SMP. This can include force as well as by invitation or local social norms shifting to accommodate the new global SMP. When a tribe is conquered by another it forcibly alters the other’s sexual marketplace standards (War Brides).

As such, societal standards shifted to favor social practices that defended the local SMP integrity of that tribe. This is nothing groundbreaking – tribalist humans have been creating social and religious contingencies to buffer agains women’s Hypergamy, and to solidify the integrity of the local SMP for millennia. And these norms affect both the men and the women of that culture.

Cultural norms that forbid intermarriage (really interbreeding) of women with out-tribe men are common, but there are also:

  • Prearranged Marriages
  • Guarding/Prioritizing Virginity
  • Buffering Against Hypergamy
  • Socially Enforced Monogamy

I should also add that there is the Samson Contingency which is a buffer set against (powerful) men taking out-tribe wives. It may’ve been acceptable to have sex with out-tribe women (rape or prostitution), but for the integrity of the tribe, that man was only to form lasting bonds (via marriage) from within that tribe. This kept vital resources within that tribe.

A Modern SMP

In an upcoming essay I’ll be exploring the deeper reasons why Blank-Slate Equalism is so difficult to purge from our present-day social order. However, I need to detail a bit of this now. We live in a feminine-primary social order (the Gynocracy), but without the Blank-Slate much of the preconception of it collapse. One reason Blank-Slate Equalism remains a social norm (despite a world of empirical proof that destroys it) is because it serves to disguise the ugly realities of a sexual marketplace defined by human evolution. Particularly so in an age of expanding SMP globalism. It’s not just culture, politics, ideology and socioeconomic considerations that are tied to globalization; a global scale sexual marketplace is following among all of this.

In the age of global mass communication our localized (tribal) SMPs are replaced with a global standard. That global standard destroys the old local SMPs, but it also selects-out the men who don’t measure up to its standards. This is something I think most MGTOWs and all Incels instinctively know: according to the global SMP selection criteria there are some men who will simply not be selected-for. If the Black Pill 101 video about how Asian women don’t select Asian men for mating opportunities is any indicator, I think Asian and Indian men are facing this head on today.

Now, I expect the first rebuttal to this proposition will be that the present, global SMP is a reflection of Westernized beauty standards and horribly distorted expectations. Asian/Indian men seem to want nothing to do with the native women who are ruthless in expressing that they want nothing to do with them. What globalized demographic is really left for these men? The same might be said about socially inept white men seeking an easier sexual marketplace in Asian women. All of this is simple deductive adaptations men will naturally resort to when it comes to solving the problems of sex and reproduction.

I’m totally accepting that there is a societal influence in all of this. However, I think the incentives to look into the opportunities that a larger global SMP offers is still based on Darwinistic principles. Even Western romanticism is still founded upon natural female arousal cues that define the larger SMP. The global SMP is rooted in the naturalistic, evolved (not socialized) elements that trigger arousal, incentivize parental investment and play off women’s dualistic sexual strategies (Alpha Seed/Beta Need).

The Global Social Order

Finally, I want to point out that while our expanding globalization has given rise to a global SMP, that expansion is rooted in Gynocentrism. Since the time of the Sexual Revolution an unfettered, unconstrained Hypergamy has dictated this global sexual marketplace. The world-scale SMP is driven by women’s prime-directives, not men’s. As women are afforded more authority to direct society, their reproductive interests are what defines the global SMP. And all unchecked and unbalanced by any male interests. This is important to consider when we see the old tribalist, local SMPs decay to extinction. The checks and balances on Hypergamy that existed in the past were the creations of a smaller localized SMP. One that was familiar with the risks and results of allowing men and women of that particular tribe to reproduced without thought to the integrity of the tribe.

This is why Blank-Slate Equalism, as big a lie as it is, is so necessary to maintaining the unfettered Hypergamy that the global SMP is based on. Without its social constructionism, without its presumption of coequal agency, the Gynocentric power base is replaced with conventional, evolved gender norms that would favor men’s influence in the global SMP. Gynocentrism needs Blank-Slate Equalism to disguise its authority and influence. Notions of ‘Equal Value’ and social constructionism are needed to cover the ugly Darwinsim that unchecked Hypergamy thrives in.

Published by Rollo Tomassi

Author of The Rational Male and The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine

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Vietnamese-American here. I can see how the average asian guy has trouble in the dating world. Most are very beta and supplicating to women.

I never had any problems dating asians, whites, hispanics, and even blacks. Perhaps it’s because I never saw my race as a handicap. I’ve dated models and everything in between and in my experience, the hottest asians usually stick to their race. It’s usually the ugly ones that have white fetishes.

Just my humble opinion/experience.

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HI Rollo, the Indians that you probably encounter in the US may look like Indians but most of them are Americans in their thoughts and values. They try to dissociate themselves from their heritage just like the Vietnamese-American in the comment section. The urban upper class India has a vast number of people who are unaware of their own culture mostly because our country wants to be “secular”. They blindly follow the narratives of the Western media. They don’t take pride being the citizens of India. They’re filled with inferiority complex just like the Congress leaders who ruled over India… Read more »

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I had an Asian woman once tell me that there are two types of Asian women. Ones that only date white guys and ones that secretly wish they could date white guys. We were with a group of like 4 of her Asian friends who all just kind of giggled and didn’t disagree. She did however marry an Asian guy….at the age of 36. I think your post is very accurate but I think there is going to be some major blowback from it for women. It’s pretty much common knowledge now that women have inflated egos or unrealistic standards… Read more »

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Do you see the global trend towards nationalism to be in part a response to this issue? Trump, Brexit, the yellow jackets in France etc.

Basically, is the horribly unbalanced sexual market place driving men towards regaining more control over their countries from the more global power structure in an effort to correct the SMP? Mostly subconsciously, of course.

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I think my previous comment didn’t post. I’m a Punjabi Jat, we’re North Indians. We’re pretty big tall lighter-skinned people. I’m 6′ 200lbs, I think I’m about average for other guys in my community. I notice a lot of the younger boys are much bigger. I’ve always dated white girls, 8s and 9s. Never had any problems picking up girls since junior year of HS. I only know of one Jat girl who married a white guy. They mostly think white men are effeminate, which is true for middle/upper class white men. They aren’t interested in dating working class white… Read more »

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How about focus on women of your own ethnic and cultural background and avoid unnecessary tension in the future. Sure, they can game white women into relationships, but that would mean having to game through extra resistance and leaving that luggage of potential dissatisfaction in there.

The world is beautiful in its diversity, and it’s best to keep it diverse. I’m from a country with a relatively homogeneous population and I’m never even sexually attracted to women from other races, this all seems like a problem made up by people who are focusing on the wrong things in their lives.

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You elicit the experience of Indian men, so I’ll give mine here. It spans a decade. Game-wise it is a rags-to-riches story. I have Indian heritage and grew up in mostly white areas. When I was 20 years old, I had an SMV of 2 / 10. I was 6’1″, 150lbs, but extremely ugly. I had a huge nose, small yellow teeth, a receded chin. Furthermore, I had a personality that was shaped by my experience of always being on the margins of my social environment. I was literally invisible to my classmates; I’d always have to introduce myself two… Read more »

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@Rollo: I’m not sure I’m 100% on board with the final conclusion that this SMP globalisation is “rooted in gynocentrism”. It is clear that Hypergamy “benefits” from choosing from a larger pool, but conversely some men (the top %) also benefit greatly from it.

The global SMP I think is also not the main goal but a by product of globalization in general. It is about power in more general terms.
Or do you see this as an instance as “everything is about sex – except sex, sex is about power”?

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Hi Rollo, Another great essay but I have to agree with dang in the comments section. I’m a British Indian. Born in the U.K. What I’ve learnt is not acting or behaving in the typical Indian way helps. I basically act and behave the way I want and don’t let any culture modify my world. This has a marked improvement of me in the “SMP”. I’m also 5’8″ and not even good looking but in my head I’m 6’4″ and gorgeous. This insane confidence really helps. I’m married to a white women for 20 years. She’s still attractive and fit.… Read more »

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Don’t know if it’s just a personal thing but as a tall muscular European man I’m just not attracted to Asian women at all! The only other race I’m attracted to are Latina women , Asian women are sexually invisible to me so I’m wondering if the white guys who do select Asian women are doing so out of necessity because of their own SMV or if it’s out of genuine attraction? For me it’s white or Latina women along with some mixed race women only. Most Asian women are just outright strange looking with boyish body shapes and no… Read more »

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Good essay Rollo. Awful video. I have a lot of thoughts, as this subject has been broached forever in the Manosphere in some form or the other, meaning it is severely limited in scope due to the population of the sphere. But I’m old so I have to reflect in order to make my points ( hint: no studies, just experience and observations over an entire lifetime from varying environments ). I will way this much though, I agree that the biggest issue is the overwhelming gynocentricity in the ” global ” smp. Men need to understand this. Growing up… Read more »

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@Playdontpay: “Some people are not meant to reproduce it’s only been a fairly recent development that most people have got to reproduce and looking around me at the results the experiment has failed.” So you are happy for fellow men of other races to take the black pill, live 70+ years masturbating to porn? And leave it to the “tall muscular European man” to rape and pillage the planet as done in the last 1000 years? Who are you to decide what is best for the “gene pool”? Leave it to the women. And every man of every race, no… Read more »

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Lol, this has great potential to give rise to good back and forth, but the handicap is ” Manosphere “, as it has it’s own dictates and norms that don’t tolerate other/opposing viewpoints. ” studies show/everybody knows ” blunts more honest discussion due to narrowed beliefs combined with massive ego investment.

Rollo, what have you done?😂

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…. Muh genes

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@ incubus I never said it was for me to decide who should pass on their genes! women do that I’m merely commenting on it. White people ( currently only about 7% of the world population) May well all but disappear as a genetically distinct race by 2150 but until then the best of them will be selected to reproduce with the most attractive females of all races that they can attract. As long as the population becomes more attractive and stronger/ healthier it doesn’t really matter as the desire dynamic of sexual selection is an unstoppable force. What I’m… Read more »

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“Indians but most of them are Americans in their thoughts and values. ” High grade horse shit. I work with many wealthy Indians. They all date whites if possible and then marry trad-con Indian style. India and it’s people have looong been known as the most racially exclusive culture world wide. It’s a in-tribal love. Fuck if the laws now forbid certain social practices there. You think US black discrimination is bad? Google racism India. No matter, India had a brief run of economic success lately….but they’re flaming out IRT because of long standing out-group hatred where it counts. They’re… Read more »

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Part of the red pill is accepting that the SMP has some winners and mostly losers — that’s how it works. Be the former and not the latter. Race is mostly a buffer. There are Asian guys (see this thread for example) who do fine even in places like the US, where the racial stratification is fairly intense. It all has to do with the individual, what he brings to the table, inner Game and frame, and so on. Most Asian guys aren’t doing very well with white girls in the US because they are beta, not because they are… Read more »

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👍

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Is this the best he could do?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priscilla_Chan

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If only every man read and understood the implications of the facts this essay points out. I sadly see a future where men and women will only become more isolated and divided. I believe a women’s opinion of herself and where she fits into the world will become only more delusional and inflated due to the gynocentric world we live.

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@Playdontpay: I am well aware of the intersexual dynamics and female sexual preferences. But what is the whole fucking point of the Manosphere and this site in particular? To unplug the AFCs. Rollo does a fine job at doing that. Men who struggle with getting with women, come here to learn and seek guidance. But every time, there is one fool who will put these men down by saying “you have never experienced desire sex, you are nothing, roll over and die, it is good for the gene pool”. Waiting for Scribb and spew his hatred. Everyone who has come… Read more »

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Focusing on Asian and Indian men are we? Hoping to cultivate what you think may be a more exploitable market niche are you?

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“This whole situation is crazy,” Daniel Zamora told the boy’s father. “I’ve never heard of anything like this in my entire life. I understand as a parent you have to be livid and hurt. As a husband, I am distraught. I’m hurt.”

Zamora’s husband pleaded with the boy’s parents to settle this without calling the police. He begged them to forgive her. He tried to defend her, saying she was a good teacher who would do anything to help her students.”

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/southwest-valley/2019/02/27/brittany-zamora-public-records-detail-goodyear-teacher-sexual-assault-allegations-student/2980023002/
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I am from middle Asia and genetically we have Asian and European mixed look. Some people see me as Asian, some see me as Brazilian and other see me as Afghan. Anyways, I want to mention that girls from different background perceive me differently. It is easy for me to pick up an Asian, Indian or American chicks. I also see that Russian and Ukrainian chicks attracted to me as well. All of that from my experiences. However, it is harder for me pick up Turkish, Armenian or middle Eastern girls. These girls have some certain preferences. They don’t find… Read more »

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“There are no natural Alpha Males who have ever looked into Rollo’s work. They don’t need to.”

Incubus,

No snark here. I’d like your opinion.

What’s your definition of Alpha Male?

Do you believe once Alpha, always Alpha?

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@Rollo overall, this is a great OP, but i have some quibbles…lol… bc i’m gettin’ a big whiff of the FI in play here… (but only just a little from you…lol… but’s that’s probably an artifact of the focus of your analysis as much as anything… bc what i see you analyzing is the process the FI uses to push on those indian/asian men…) trigger warning! – obnoxiously pedantic ‘sperg analysis inbound…lol for me, the ‘black pill’ is straight up FI organic defense against the acceptance of the RP… to maintain the status quo of BP bullsh*t social conditioning… the… Read more »

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Great topic. The Samson Contingency has a wild back story. As judge and warrior, Samson could have had any nice Jewish girl. Why go outside? Samson knew the Philistines were too strong to fight directly, and would take revenge on the Jews for his attacks. But if he was among them and had a reason to fight with some Philistines, then it would be a family feud among Philistines and the rest of the Jews would be safe from counter attack. So he married Delilah to start trouble, like when they burned down his father in law’s place and he… Read more »

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As distance runners around the world trained harder and smarter in response to Kenyan dominance, so did the Kenyans.

The race didn’t get easier, it got faster.

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“Women will work full time jobs they hate and endure shitty commutes in preference to fucking a beta Male, it was always like this but now it’s out there for us all to see, they’ve made their preferences Overt.”

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Dip54axBnIs

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Hi Rollo, I am an international student studying my final and 4th year in New Orleans. I would say for me, what I noticed is that Indians and Asians in general have low SMV- mainly because of the way they are raised. I was completely ignored when I entered as a freshman. Taking up the chad philosophy, did not change my life but at the same time I got more pussy than I would have if I had not changed. Of course, women at the end of the day prefer white women racially (especially seen with Asian women and other… Read more »

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Hey “Rollo”,

You should market yourself to the Asian “lady boys”. You could include “palmsailer” and her sister Roses Palm.

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Rosey Palm… f..ing auto spell

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Re: the above hot-for-teacher situ:

She used a surfeit of beta bait to draw him in.

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NBTM

You’re insecure with your input. Try-to-hard.

Lonely?

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“…. Muh genes”

Eye Area
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Lower Third

Height
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Frame
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You have all these, and you will always be above the looks threshold, and can fuck pretty much any girl you want (depending if you’re not socially retarded).

If you don’t have these, then its a numbers game. Going for girls who you pass their looks threshold. Some girls do actually like old guys, asian guys, bald guys, etc.,

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Rollo obviously fails to understand the black/red paradigm correctly. Black pill is deeply entrenched in looks theory which in turn is based on genetic build and predisposition. Basically extreme luck of the draw in terms of what you’ll be able to achieve in life in terms of sex or social fulfillment. You can only ascend so much. And this is all factoring in that you find the right tools, resources and insights to begin with.

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J,

Why are all of the examples in the extreme?

It harms your argument.

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J has a lot of sexy-ugly comparison pictures on hand for these moments.

Is that queer only to me?

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Orson “Rollo obviously fails to understand the black/red paradigm correctly. Black pill is deeply entrenched in looks theory which in turn is based on genetic build and predisposition. Basically extreme luck of the draw in terms of what you’ll be able to achieve in life in terms of sex or social fulfillment. You can only ascend so much. And this is all factoring in that you find the right tools, resources and insights to begin with. Rollo is writing in his Red Pill Frame. What you are saying he fails to understand your Black Pill Frame. Extreme luck of the… Read more »

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@Playdontpay

Your posts are on the money.

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“Is this not pedastalling by another name.” I hadn’t seen your question, Ollie. SJF covered it but I’ll add: Women have a purpose in parallel alignment with men’s purpose that men can not naturally achieve alone. In this example I’m running the gamut of human experience here: Say I have a framer’s hammer. If I use the framer’s for metal fabrication it’s poor form. If I use one hammer for all applications because my insecurities of using another, that’s pedestalization. Women have form, fit and function that only they provide. They are available to you in service of your needs.… Read more »

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@SJF

“Women/feminine are different from Men/masculine.”

Women aren’t submissive nor do they defer to the masculine when required. Neither do they support the work a man does, even if it’s with her in mind and she’s the main beneficiary. Men for their part have become caricatures of themselves. More woman than man in many respects.

If women were as you portray them here, the red pill (as a philosophy) wouldn’t exist.

The rest of your post relies on this faulty premise. Hence why it isn’t included.

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“Willfully choosing conscious ignorance while your rational mind knows the truth can lead to despondency and depression. ” It can, but not in all cases. One can choose to simply move forward into chaos (and what a shitshow it is). Many of us simply must move forward.

The concept, “Willfully choosing conscious ignorance while your rational mind knows the truth” could perhaps be applied to life beyond SMV (assuming there is life beyond the sexual market place… ?!). Rollo: your overlay of evolutionary psychology over our domestic and global culture has indeed been a life’s work.

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Rollo,

There is a huge difference between an Indian man from India, and a 2nd gen one born in the West.

The former has almost zero SMV, and is just about the greatest lost cause around (outside of white soyboy manginas).

The latter is usually 4-6 inches taller and completely Westernized in accent and attire. A lot of these men are 6-feet-plus, and marry white girls who are not just 6-7s, but 8s or higher.

They are almost like two separate ethnic groups, even if people from the former and latter groups are often cousins.

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Ollie….

“Women aren’t submissive nor do they defer to the masculine when required.”

To their peril…..

https://consumer.healthday.com/mental-health-information-25/antidepressants-news-723/u-s-antidepressant-use-jumps-65-percent-in-15-years-725586.html

The Law still stands.

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“…muh genes, lol” Bill Murray, Joan Lunden, Jennie Lewis Charles Bronson, Jill Ireland Henry Kissinger, Jill St. John Tim Allen, Laura Deibel “the hottest asians usually stick to their race” try hard defending asian male smv I’d be classified as white and I married an asian beauty and asian chicks were always flirting with me when I had a lowly part time position working with them. There was a guy who had been chasing my wife…owned his own million dollar home–no mortgage…promised to buy the future Mrs. Gamer her own house…set up her parents in comfort…Hitler Youth-level good looks…blonde-haired, blue-eyed… Read more »

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@SJF “Even then he’s not fucked, he just has to muster his resources and work harder to achieve what he wants to achieve” “You can only ascend so much” – this is the truth. No one here is saying if you’re not born with male model tier looks you will never fuck attractive girls (maybe that’s the viewpoint of certain black pillers. But that’s retarded lol). What we are talking about, is what is realistically achievable for the non-genetic lottery winner men with genetic difficencies, who’ve ascended via looksmaxxing/gamemaxxing (the guys who’ve answered your “so what are you gonna do… Read more »

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Ollie you are still cracking me up.

The red pill is recognition and understanding.

Lack of rp and masculinity is what’s the cause of what you see/understand.

I don’t see the same things you do.

There’s evidently a sound reason for that.

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Recognition and acceptance of a threshold is it’s own reward ( or lack thereof ).

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“You can only ascend so much”

…until you surpass it

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“If women were as you portray them here, the red pill (as a philosophy) wouldn’t exist.” Ok. Then, for you, it’s over. I’m trying not to be a broken record but whatever… RP is an as-certain-as-humanly-possible observation of the intersexual dynamic. It is not the dynamic. The more accurate our understanding of the observation, the more certain the outcome of our actions based on that observation. Anyways… Redefine life, women, submission anyway you please, Ollie. No one’s stopping you. Your results equal your clarity. If AWALT, then AWA subject to game. The field conditions change, but the game remains the… Read more »

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@Playdontpay Your naivete concerning social dynamics and history is showing. Recycling the nomenclature of mainstays like the old Whiskey and Heartiste will earn you points in the manosphere – and I’m sure a significant contingent of the readership willingly nods along with the rah-rah-rah bluster of your post – but they ignore how detrimental this shift will be to the long-term soundness of the modern world. It’s a woman’s sexual imperative to select for the best genes within the context of small communities, short-term orientation, and constant emotional engagement. And what traits and behaviors do they select for? Physical beauty,… Read more »

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@ inimitable NEET

Wow. I learned a lot from you today. You got your antroplogy down and shit in order.

One question:

When?

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@ NEET

Because, well, you know, I got dinner plans and wonder if you think I should reschedule.

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@ NEET

Just finished my workout. I’m doin’ HuHot.

NEET, I’m off soy. You think them Mongol orientals serve soy free grub?

https://giphy.com/gifs/chinese-food-f7UUtwS4KQM0

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One of the baby holders is a man:
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“Asian man” is too generic a term. Filipino men for example tend to be much more ZFG with women than say Chinese men who tend to supplicate and be more beta. Some of the reasons for this across the board Beta-ness include being raised by women which tends to make them much more feminized, lack of physical activities, a cultural emphasis on being a “provider” and an over-abundance of men in China which has lead to women being more selective at a time when feminism is taking over and women are being more independent. This is where having a solid… Read more »

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And while they may be lagging behind in technologies such as paving, steel and glass construction, medicine, telecommunications, etc., their fancy dress technology is rather advanced:
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@NEET Physical beauty, charisma, spontaneity and unpredictability, high status, emotional drama, the ability to incite fear of abandonment. I see some of this, but even more, I see men selected for masculinity. enforcement of boundaries non-pedestalization of women self-sufficiency self-confidence emotional self-control emotional security security in their masculinity and other aspects of their identity Women test for these things as well as attributing value to men for charisma and status. When men fail these tests, women move to your list. Even if every man magically accomplished this feat, Pareto distribution dictates women’s proclivities would simply readjust to the new 20%.… Read more »

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@EhIntellect

More than anything it depends on the sauces used. Since HuHot used custom-made ones, inquire about it before ordering any dishes. Avoid Tamari sauce, etc.

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The acid in the fermentation/hydrolization of tamari/soy sauce destroys proestrogen. It destroys gluten as well.

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@asdgamer They’re complementary criteria. You’re describing the intrinsic behaviorial qualities while I’m describing the byproducts. When you establish personal boundaries and maintain frame during any test, it incites multiple emotions: frustration, exasperation, admiration, so on. When you’re self-sufficient you can afford to not be a supplicating bitch. My point was the qualities that define a beta, which women aren’t attracted to, are also the ones required to build and maintain any sovereign government larger than the smallest city-state. The natural drive, competitiveness, and status-consciousness that defines alphas has to be sublimated into endeavors (sports, war) that don’t threat the society’s… Read more »

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@kfg

Thanks for the info-drop on Tamari.

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“The Kyoto court during the Heian period makes modern-day urban life seem like the rowdiest football locker. The ideal aristocrat composed poems, obsessed over perfume and other aesthetic forms of presentations, cried at the sight of a sublime sunrise, and . . .”

. . . had to ceed power to the Kamakura bakufu.

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” When You’re self-sufficient you can afford to not be a supplicating bitch. ”

Oh yeah. Truth.

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“You write as you live, defeated before you start.”

No one ever admits to being wrong.

Would you like to set precedent?

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@kfg Even a century before 1185, the Fujiwaras were being phased out by the Minamoto and Taira families. When you sacrifice your standing army then spit on the replacements for being rubes, the more ambitious ones will never forget the insult. Especially when you exclaim “Muh delicate feet!” when you have to walk through the suburbs.

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Nice post Rollo, it’s amazing how an increase in the mobility of the world’s population has had such a profound effect on various aspects of humanity.

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“No one ever admits to being wrong.”

Ollie,

Nice pressure flip dodge, young Padawan.

If you’re not creating you’re static or worse.

Question for you: Do women have value?

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“As such, societal standards shifted to favor social practices that defended the local SMP integrity of that tribe. This is nothing groundbreaking – tribalist humans have been creating social and religious contingencies to buffer againt’s women’s Hypergamy, and to solidify the integrity of the local SMP for millennia. And these norms affect both the men and the women of that culture.”
https://bit.ly/2H75Dty
Even the bible had predicted the trouble with Not being aware of your culture and Sin being rooted in what hurts a civil discourse in resource and pair bonding.

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Rollo I don’t know if you’ll see this but I thought a response is worth my while. My focus is on your second paragraph of the Canyon that has to be crossed to get from blue pill to red pill. In my younger days I was always a bit of a shit stirrer known in the current year as a troll. As a consequence when various individuals such as Carey Roberts – http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/roberts , Marc Rudov and a few others produced content pissing on feminism and equality in general I was open minded to their musings but not accepting enough… Read more »

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This is why Blank-Slate Equalism, as big a lie as it is, is so necessary to maintaining the unfettered Hypergamy that the global SMP is based on. One would suppose that evolution, if it were actually happening, would select for attributes that favored reproduction and increasing population. However, that’s not what we’re seeing. Rather, it seems that some other factor is in play other than evolution which is aimed at reducing both reproduction rates and population. When you look at what is celebrated and encouraged by the dominant cultural narrative in play from Japan to the United States, you see… Read more »

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“If Hypergamy were really the main factor pushing changes to society, we’d see men encouraged to be more masculine and the top men would be better than they are today.”

Well said. Sex is a tool, a condition of something else. There is more to our story than evo-bio.

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Videos like the one posted by commenter Harry are part and parcel of what the problems facing young ( and in some cases older ) men today. This whole ” what women find attractive ” thing is 100% in a feminine frame. With this kind of fem-drumbeat running in the background, it serves to obfuscate and deflect from the fact that men shouldn’t listen to the narrative coming from women’s mouths, but should pay attention to what they actually do . The idea that Instagram and Twitter and tinder and whatever latest app..😂😂 are the new gods of correct information… Read more »

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If men and women can’t get the evo-bio correct, then we quickly suffer the law of decreasing returns beyond fucking which we apparently can’t do now with PUA stacks and elaborate declarations of intent.

It’s not about sex. It’s about owning you, your potential, your meaning.

Fortunately, understanding this is half the battle avoiding the crush.

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@Blax “This whole ” what women find attractive ” thing is 100% in a feminine frame.” “What women find attractive” is in a biological frame. “What women say that they find attractive” is in a feminine frame and is a nuclear shit test. I support men in having preferences and in living life as they see fit 100%. Yep, but if they want kids, then they have to operate in a biological frame somehow. And if they want to see their kids do well and have kids of their own, it behooves them to operate in a familial context which… Read more »

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“We can’t blame our current mess on biology. Maybe we could say that biological selection is operating at some level on our species’ equalist-fucktardism which is confusing sexual attributes and reducing sex appeal.” Nice! And the fucktardism is a means for someone else’s end. RP is a more accurate measurement of natural order and when acted upon a deevolution from higher order dysfunction based upon lower order BP or blackpill mismanagement returning men and women into a sustainable sexual practice. At the point lower order life is corrected, higher order life may again devolop successfully. Life in that order, skip… Read more »

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Just FYI, Dilbert gets around to the Gillette ad …

https://dilbert.com/

Lego 2 also had some interesting alpha/beta/blue pill messaging as gentle naive Emmet tries to come to terms with his masculinity

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@kfg As distance runners around the world trained harder and smarter in response to Kenyan dominance, so did the Kenyans. The race didn’t get easier, it got faster. but every man that REALLY wants to get faster now has a much better understanding of how to do that for himself, right?… he still has to put in the work… and dudes that are actually doing THAT are still in the very small minority… i still stand by my assertion that 90% of all men have the POTENTIAL to build themselves into runners that compete and end up in the top… Read more »

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Blax,

“fwiw, I don’t care to bring up race and avoid it as it only blurs understanding mostly, but the sphere finds it as an important subject somehow…”

Why do you get into the sphere’s frame?

Why play that game?

Oh yeah. You get off on throwing your race around as if it gives you cred. You need that external victimhood validation.

Only you care about your blackishness as much as you do.

You willingly flip the sphere’s script back at yourself. Why even? Why here at TRM? Why not rise above race? Isn’t that what you’ve been hammering on about for years?

Fuck looks, get frame.

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Asd No, what I’m talking about isn’t in any biological frame. I’m talking about the concentration on skewed data. I’m talking about what most women will profess from their pie holes vs what they will actually do or have done. Men trying to rationally understand the motivations might chalk it up to ” biology “, but in current society as it’s configured, that’s not what’s happening – hence all of the ” over 6 foot tall, handsome, big dick, 6 figure earning, sense of humor, love animals ” Bullshit that get constantly repeated. It’s a con job. It’s exacerbated by… Read more »

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Eh

My lifelong motto is ” I’m in this world, but not of it “. I can only be in my own frame.

I go to work in a game corporate world almost every day, but my mind isn’t” corporate ” . I can perform my job expertly without becoming my job.

Float in, float back out.😁

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“i still stand by my assertion that 90% of all men have the POTENTIAL to build themselves into runners that compete and end up in the top 10-20% of their local races/marathons…” My own assertion, made here a number of times, is that it is quite easy for a man in the belly of the bell curve to get into the top 10% of the entire population at nearly anything subject to development, because so few even bother to try. “you know, as well as i do, that technological progress is determined by what is important to the ruling culture…lol”… Read more »

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Dr. Helen pointed me to this:

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Blax, I’m with you. Hey man, you remind me of my brother in law….who happens to be black. 15 years my senior. Humble roots, athletic, trident pin recipient (Me: You see any resistance? Him: One guy gave us trouble.), IT wizard even. Oh and an accomplished musician to boot! He’s much more than advertised. Anyhow, 25 years back I asked him how he’d prefer to be seen. He patiently looked at me and said: Just a human being. It may sound trite to some but I’m too far along to play hip cynic. What a lesson. I’m glad I asked… Read more »

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Oh one last thing.

My brother in law found it too difficult to be active in his family. They viewed his success with suspicion.

In-tribal, out-tribal.

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“They viewed his success with suspicion.”

Bucketed crabs gonna crab bucket.

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The dude who wrote “Sex God Method” is a 5’6″ Asian dude, and the SimplePickup guys on YouTube are Asian and Indian who show that having the right attitude goes a long way with SMV.

Game (combined with self improvement activities like lifting, dressing better, working on being your own MPoO) can trump female in-group preferences if it’s good enough, even for Asians and Indians.

I’d love to hear Asian and Indian dudes’ takes on these two resources.

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@The Inimitable NEET Most men can’t and won’t take the Red Pill to the point where it will improve their prospects with women. true… but this not a failing of the RP knowledge… or possibilities based thereon… Even if every man magically accomplished this feat, Pareto distribution dictates women’s proclivities would simply readjust to the new 20%. how’s that FI treatin’ ya?…lol… bc that^^^ idea is going to lead you to not even try to actually fix the problem… with the only solution that would make it possible to actually work… the solution is that ‘every man’ does in fact… Read more »

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@kfg My own assertion, made here a number of times, is that it is quite easy for a man in the belly of the bell curve to get into the top 10% of the entire population at nearly anything subject to development, because so few even bother to try. [high five!!!] lol… “you know, as well as i do, that technological progress is determined by what is important to the ruling culture…lol” I hope you know as well as I do that that was my point and that you were just making my implicit point more explicit for the peanut… Read more »

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@kfg

Dr. Helen pointed me to this:

the new APA guidelines are just one more goose-step on the long march through the institutions… i wonder what the over/under is on the date of system failure?…

good luck!

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HABD, Novaseeker, Dang Hua etc made the points I want to make but I just wanted to add as an Indian-origin man, they are absolutely right. In many years, many approaches and many lays, the only variable I found which made a difference to my results was my state of mind and attitude – which is another way of saying my Game skills. Not how I dressed, not whether I shaved or not, wore glasses vs contacts, nothing (actually, strictly speaking there was one other factor – I started noticing a dramatic increase in “ambient” IOIs from women after I… Read more »

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Newly I’d like to think that I’ve seen the whole ” getting women ” thing from both sides in some fashion. When I was in my early teens and built like a stop sign, I still got laid when I wanted to. So I’m leery of that whole ” threshold of looks ” to a greater extent. Dressing better? When I was beanpole thin, I never liked the way clothes fit on me. Everything was either too tight or too loose. Everything had to be taken in at the tailor shop. It never dawned on me to lift and maximize… Read more »

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If Hypergamy were really the main factor pushing changes to society, we’d see men encouraged to be more masculine and the top men would be better than they are today.

unless encouraging men to be more girlish was like, you know, a sh*t test…lol…

good luck!

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I hope you know as well as I do that that was my point and that you were just making my implicit point more explicit for the peanut gallery.

True wisdom is in hiding wisdom so that the peanut gallery doesn’t get it.

“…the words of the wise, and their riddles”

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Men trying to rationally understand the motivations might chalk it up to ” biology “, but in current society as it’s configured, that’s not what’s happening – hence all of the ” over 6 foot tall, handsome, big dick, 6 figure earning, sense of humor, love animals ” Bullshit that get constantly repeated. Bullshit indeed, but most of this has nothing to do with biological sexual attraction. Masculinity is attractive to women, but height, facial structure, dark eyelashes, money, humor, sensitivity have nothing to do with masculinity. In fact, insensitivity pings women as more masculine. Big dick is a side… Read more »

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@Blax

The whole notion that a man cannot have satisfying sex life because of his race is irrational at best. Game is the great field leveller.

Even without much game, masculinity works wonders in terms of being attractive to women. Being playful–i.e. “running game”–makes life more fun…and masculine game is different from feminine game…and having masculine game is…well…masculine

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@blax “I still got laid when I wanted to. So I’m leery of that whole ” threshold of looks ” to a greater extent”. You were always handsome, mate (thank your parents for that). aka you’ve always lived life above the threshold. Just because you don’t recognize something, doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. And being skinny really isn’t a death sentence for attracting young teens. back when I was growing up, I remember teen girls obsessing over these skinny teens: http://www4.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Zac+Efron+Nick+Jonas+Premiere+Warner+Bros+iq8iVzn1aROl.jpg not these guys: “Yes, they ” ooohhhh’d and aaahhhh’d ” more vocally, but I gavee zero fucks about their… Read more »

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@Blax, I agree about clothes not defining a dude. Long story short, I believe that if ANY dude, whether Asian, Indian, Gamma, etc wants to be a Black Pill or MGTOW, there should be an entry requirement first. If the dude has: * Worked on being his mental point of origin. *Studied the basics of game and intersexual dynamics. *Worked out *Started something like BJJ. *Learned a trade * Learned how to garden/permaculture * learned an instrument *learned to fix equipment *reads a varied set of books of all topics (ex. The Medici Effect, but really any book on any… Read more »

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