The Goddess Movement

Six years ago I wrote a post outlining what the PUA community referred to then as “Chick Crack“. It was a pretty straight forward post that I delved into just to explain why playing to women’s propensity to believe in the spiritual – or what women would consider spiritual – is an effective technique in Game. I always thought it was funny how accurate this presumption about women was when I came across it.

Of all the strippers I’d ‘dated’ in the past every one subscribed to some form of non-mainstream spiritualism. This girl Angie I used to bang kept Tarot cards in her pink lady’s devotional Bible, another professed to be a psychic; in fact the only people I’ve ever known who self-seriously wanted me to believe they were in fact psychic were all women.

[…] For the stripper set this seems to be par for the course, but I wish I could say this chick-crack phenomenon was limited to just women who had some vacuous spiritual/emotional hole in their lives to fill. No, all women (yes I said all) are predisposed to the intrigue that metaphysical imaginings sparks in them. If it smacks of secret, covert knowledge, privy only to a chosen few, then you’ve got an attentive listener in a woman. UFOs, palm reading (always a classic), psychic premonition, ‘gifts of prophecy’, really anything that hints at knowledge beyond the ordinary is fair game. Chick Crack is not just limited to off-brand spiritualisms either, you’ll find that far more women than men will develop (conveniently) an affinity for, and are more invested in, religion than men.

In the wake of the Anthony Bourdain “suicide“, and the scramble to absolve Asia Argento of any complicity in his decision to hang himself, I came across this post about Asia’s penchant for Witchcraft. Apparently Wicca is somewhat more than a hobby for her. As you look at these pictures it’s important to remember that this is a 42 year old woman (and her friends) who sincerely believes in this stuff.

In Chick Crack I also made reference as to why I believe women’s being predisposed to beliefs in the supernatural is a desire for secret power from an innate position of female powerlessness.

Feminine Mythology

Women’s natural pull towards the mysterious and metaphysical has its roots in the sex’s historical characterizations. In keeping with the very useful associations of women’s unknowability and feminine mystique, it’s perhaps unsurprising that we find most mythologized representations of women and femininity cast as brooding, fickle, rapacious and often as a temptress, possessing secret knowledge that foolish men (the mere mortals) are neither capable of, nor encouraged to understand. Sometimes childlike, often conveniently eroticized, women are literally cast as forces of nature – whether sexualized nymphs or tempestuous witches, each characterization relies on women possessing some form of secret or forbidden connection to the metaphysical. Even the commanding presence of Joan of Arc, while leading the armies of France, had a connection to something otherworldly. By their very nature, feminine mythology, by default, presumes women are more in tune with the nature of reality, while surpassing the ignorance of brutish men.

Women revel in their mythology. Since covert forms of communication are the preferred language of women, their affinity for secret information is a natural fit. Ever wonder why gossip seems to be uniquely endemic to women? Look no further than women’s innate impulse to acquire secret knowledge. Take away the Vampires and Werewolves – the metaphysical component – from the Twilight series and what you’re left with is a relatively bland romance novel. Add the otherworldly and you have a runaway hit popular with every female age demographic, from tweens to octogenarians.

In women’s evolutionary past, concealment meant everything. Confusing a man as to the true genetic heritage of his children was often a matter of life or death. Pursuing pluralistic sexual strategies depends upon creating a characterization of women as legitimately unknowable, thus the feminine mystique is instituted. Ergo, the sociological PR campaign over the course of millennia has been to perpetuate the mystery of woman.

From an evolutionary perspective it makes sense that physically weaker tribal women would seek some sort of mastery over the men in their lives who could punish or kill them and their offspring at will. As I’ve covered in many essays, women are biologically and psychologically more attuned to deeper communication and the emotive states of other people. Women have a far greater capacity to understand subcommunications and subcommunicate themselves among their own sex. This is borne out by multiple brain scan studies and research on the architecture of men and women’s brains.

To the blunt, overt, relatively nuance-less interpretive processes of men this subcommunication can be both frustrating and mysterious. It’s the mysterious part that women learned to reinforce and exploit in their dealings with men long ago. This is where we get the idea of the seductress or the ‘keeper of mysterious secrets’ archetype (witch, midwife, nature goddess) for women. It’s less important that women would actually be more in tune with the supernatural, but rather it’s more important that they believe it’s a general truth about all women. Men might be skeptical, or they may buy into that mystique, revere it and encourage other men to believe something similar. Usually how a man adopts or rejects that archetype is determined by his own self-understanding and his Game according to it and his sexual market value.

There are a lot of derivative character archetypes that stem from the basic ‘mysterious woman’ root. That might be anything from a healer, nurturer, mother type rooted in what used to be the mystery of women’s life-giving capacity, to the force of nature sorceress, to the eroticized sexual seductress (nymph, siren) or even the high-priestess of the holy temple of prostitution (an ancient brothel madame). Over the course of history, since our hunter-gatherer beginnings, this means to influence and power for women has coalesced into what we popularly imagine about women’s mysterious nature. Only today we call it a ‘woman’s intuition’ and we make appeals to fortune and fate when a guy get’s “lucky” and a woman favors him with her sexuality. It’s all socialized solutions to evolutionary problems, but if we add an element of ‘magic’ to the equation it makes explaining failures and appreciating successes that much easier.

Today, the belief in this nature is still very much reinforced in society. Thus, we get women subscribing to what amounts to a collective pathology – they are encouraged to believe in their ‘magical’ sensitivities to spirits and forces beyond the sensitivities of (ostensibly) “powerful” men. To fight the mythological Patriarchy women rely on a mythological tool. In Chick Crack I made mention of a stripper I used to have as a friend-with-benefits who was very attuned to the “spirit world”. As such the whole gamut of the supernatural was free game for her to use. She’d read my Tarot cards, my palm, throw in some eastern mysticism and wash it all down with a read through her pink ladies’ devotional Bible. Granted, ‘Angie‘ was an extreme case, but all women are in someway, or say they are in someway, privy to metaphysical understandings which men are not. And today we read and listen to male leaders in mainstream religions adopt and parrot back this “women are closer to God than men” mantra which is directly linked to the ‘spiritual women’ mystique.

The old trope of a Woman’s Intuition is an example of this belief in something beyond the ken of men. And this is also an important aspect of boys’ Blue Pill conditioning – girls/women possess some unearthly connection to God or something supernatural which further cements the idea that they should to defer authority to girls and women if they want to “please God the Goddess”. You might think this hard to believe in our age of technology, but only the context of the supernatural has shifted. Even the most objectively rational boys and men strongly believe in the ‘soul mate myth despite atheism or agnosticism. This belief of the faithless is directly related to the unknowability of the female. Even modern atheists have a tendency to fall prey to the “someone for everyone” religion when it comes to connecting with the opposite sex.

It’s my belief that this presumption of a greater sensitivity to the supernatural is an aspect of women’s evolved mental firmware. Regardless of how false it may be, a woman with the disposition to encourage men to believe that she has some otherworldly connection despite the world or circumstances around them, one that would lead men to venerate her in the long term, would’ve been a powerful social adaptation in ensuring her and her children’s security. No doubt women readers will trot out the reflexive “Well men have been shamans and soothsayers and the patriarchal leaders of churches too”, and this is true, but those men lacked the female elemental advantage in their believability. Even their own belief sets encompassed the ‘spiritual woman’ tropes for better or worse. The wise old wizard is definitely an archetype, but that wizard lacks the feminine mystique and the sexual components only women possess in exercising that power.

Modern Witchcraft

Today we see a distinct falling away from the old order of acknowledging the supernatural. Less and less people subscribe to religion in its conventional sense. The Millennial generation wants nothing to do with “organized religion”, yet they still seek the structure to life it used to provide. So instead we hear the compromise about being “spiritual, but not religious” as if accepting the possibility of the metaphysical is something expected, but the taint of the “religious” is left for older generations. Even in what passes for contemporary religion the influence of the Feminine Imperative is ever-present. The spiritual, the metaphysical, the religious, all are still useful tools for women to consolidate power with. As men abdicate more authority to the feminine, as they themselves are the products of a continuous social feminization, we see a wholesale handover of the spiritual to the direction of women. The male leadership of mainstream religions is itself compromised with the imperatives and priorities of women who are already presumed to be “more in tune with God or the supernatural”. As such they exercise the Feminine Imperative and assimilate women’s stake on the spiritual by being proxy agents for women’s authority.

Today I was linked a story about how Episcopalians have begun to Remove the Man from their religion. Apparently this marks the beginning of rewriting the doctrine of this religion by erasing all masculine pronouns for God. Of course I expect the predictable retorts that Episcopalians aren’t real Christians, but theirs is just one of the more glaring examples of how the feminization of religion progresses. The latent purpose is a wholesale removal of anything conventionally masculine from religion, and/or placing the feminine as the primary connection with the supernatural. Whether it’s mainstream religion or psychic reading, a woman is at the center of that mysticism. If you want a perspective into the things to come for a female-led mega-religion look no further than the teaching of Rev. Shannon Johnson Kershner (dual surname noted). God is not male is the clarion call of the priestesses (and their male ‘ally’ priests) of this new religion.

Why should we view God as female? Well, it’s so that little girls can become pastors, with Kershner saying, ““I wanted to make sure that little girls knew that God could call them to be pastors, too.”

For the MeToo / Time’s Up generation God is female, the supernatural is more aligned with the feminine. I’ve made this observation before (before the #MeToo moral panic arrived) but there’s been a growing push on the part of men to relinquish any spiritual authority from a masculine perspective for decades now. The largely secular impetus of the MeToo movement is now finding its way into a religious environment that has been primed and ready for it (largely due to its acquiescing, complicit, and thoroughly Blue Pill male leadership) for a long time. MeToo was a natural fit for a feminine-primary church that needed its push to consolidate power even in the most patriarchal of religions. MeToo has given women license to finally be overt in their design on religion and spirituality – not unlike Open Hypergamy has been embraced in the mainstream.

In celebration of this conversion of religion to feminine-primacy we get the feminist Beyoncé “worship” services in formerly traditional cathedrals. Millennials may be falling away from the old church, but they fill the new church to overflow-capacity when ‘god’ is female.

The take home message for this essay is this; womankind has been intimately aware of the complicity of men in granting them a default connection to the supernatural. While we may not profess a formal belief in such, men are eager to accommodate female power in this arena – especially if in doing so it endears women to the men who play along with it. Professing a belief in the supernatural is simply good Game. The early PUAs picked up on this and used it to their advantage. However, this abdication of moral authority – an authority founded in masculine pretenses – goes far beyond getting your palm read by an earthy stripper you want to bang. This compromising of moral authority to the feminine by men is just the next phase in conceding all social and political authority to the Feminine Imperative. If God or a ‘higher power’ is the foundation of moral authority, and women are universally presumed to be more in touch with that higher power, the next step is to cede that authority to the sex that has a more direct line to that power.

What prompted me to consider writing this essay was a link I was sent in response to the story about Asia Argento’s involvement in modern day Wicca. I listened to a bit of a podcast by Vox Day recently in which he was asked his thoughts about modern paganism. He said, and I paraphrase, “Paganism today is just kids LARPing to the idea of old world religions. They’re role playing something akin to Dungeons and Dragons with no real belief.” I thought this was interesting in light of the article I was sent on Neo-Paganism and the Feminist Spirituality Movement:

However, some women were not willing to identify themselves as “witches”, and there arose a form of Goddess worship without any of the trappings of witchcraft. As Nevill Drury explains, “Although some Goddess-worshippers continued to refer to themselves as witches, others abandoned the term altogether, preferring to regard their neopagan practice as a universal feminist religion, drawing on mythologies from many different ancient cultures.” This has been called “Goddess worship” and the “Goddess movement”. These terms are frequently used interchangeably with, but should be distinguished from, “feminist spirituality”, which includes the Goddess movement, but also feminist Christianity, feminist Judaism, etc.

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The principal beliefs of the Goddess movement are that the Goddess is a radically immanent deity and she can be experienced directly. The Earth is seen as the body of the Goddess and women are understood to connect to the Goddess through their experience of their own bodies, as well as the “body” of the earth. Goddess feminists also believe that the Goddess is constantly changing, manifest in the changing of the seasons and the human life-cycle, and perpetually self-renewed.

The Goddess movement offers women a new self-image and facilitates women finding their own innate goodness and natural divinity. It enables women to redeem and revalue the “feminine principle” and offers them positive images and symbols of female empowerment.

It may seem easy to dismiss the influence of the feminine on what is re-evolving into a new feminine-world order of spirituality, but I think it would be foolish dismiss the influences of the Feminine Imperative – the Goddess Movement – that is manifesting itself incrementally in the power vacuum left by the abdication of masculine moral authority to the feminine. We read that Millennials may not be “as religious” as previous generations, but that doesn’t mean they don’t seek out ‘spiritual, but not religious’ metaphysical connections. They seek direction, and connection in religion, but they seek it in the secular, gynocentric terms they’ve been conditioned to believe they should define themselves by. A similar parallel exists on the masculine side too. One of the reasons for Jordan Peterson’s popularity is his ‘ministering’ to a generation of “lost boys” seeking direction in life. He is every bit one of the Lords of the New Church in the same way that the Goddess Movement speaks to another demographic of lost souls who seek absolution in the “divine feminine” – also a term Peterson is fond of.

Published by Rollo Tomassi

Author of The Rational Male and The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine

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I object to the YouTube posting gap on TRM.

KFG claims timing.

Watch this @ 10:00 minuteman mark.

https://youtu.be/aMcjxSThD54?t=598

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…and I had a loaded .38 on the front seat next to me. A trooper asked for my paperwork and asked nicely if I minded opening my trunk for a second ( as everyone ahead of me were doing ). Then he handed me my papers back and asked me if I was certain that the safety was on….

.38 special revolver? who makes safeties on those? I thought the safety on a revolver was between the ears?

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” I wouldn’t have recognized the thugs, but the cops would have and once one pointed out a thug to me.”

Lol, cool. Because, you know, cops always know and are never wrong about such things.

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@SJF Jordan Peterson took a deal he cannot get out of. I’ve had those opportunities, but have let all time limits pass on such deals as they’d control my entire life and all content of my life, voice and work. JBP accepted a deal that controls all of his content, and that’s destroying males and masculinity! Jordan B. Peterson is being used to cause the male suicide rate to exponentially increase! Jordan B. Peterson is going to eventually be made the NEGATIVE example of all things red pill, and this is NOT good. If males do not absorb the works… Read more »

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@sam

With all due respect, please explain.

“Jordan B. Peterson is being used to cause the male suicide rate to exponentially increase!”

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” 38 special revolver? who makes safeties on those? I thought the safety on a revolver was between the ears?”

Lol. I took as a joke. But I did shake my head ” yes “.

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“JBP accepted a deal that controls all of his content, and that’s destroying males and masculinity! So you are saying… On what basis. Do you even read Jordan Peterson? He addresses thoughts individually, he’s not stuck in one paradigm. Past the fanboi throwaway insults for those that get ideas from him, young men thinking that all the stuff they have heard from Mainstream Media, Feminine Imperatives and all the rest of the bullshit they are faced with? Where are all these retarded young men that can’t discriminate shit from shinola? I guess I live in Unicornlandia where we don’t grow… Read more »

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Jordan Peterson isn’t an alias.

It matters.

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“Jordan Peterson isn’t an alias. It matters” Antifragile:Things That Gain From Disorder? Skin in the Game: Hidden Asymmetries in Real Life? Fooled by Randomness: The Hidden Role of Chance in Life and in the Markets? (is a book by Nassim Nicholas Taleb that deals with the fallibility of human knowledge.) The Black Swan: The Impact of the Highly Improbable? (is a book by the essayist, scholar, philosopher, and statistician Nassim Nicholas Taleb, released April 17, 2007 by Random House. The book focuses on the extreme impact of certain kinds of rare and unpredictable events (outliers) and humans’ tendency to find… Read more »

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There’s a problem. Do you see it? Roused Perhaps a small problem. I really don’t see it in the real world. Ok. So what’s your point? I know a young man or two and none of them idolize JP. Well, since “some” and “all” mean the same thing… Please provide some data on this idolatry going on. Please show me where I used the word “idolatry” in reference to Peterson first. I do see now, and have in the last several years how boys have been indoctrinated by TV, ESPN (Disney) movies, video games, teachers, sisters and their mothers. You… Read more »

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Blaximus and his quality time with the NJ po-lice reminds me of a couple of things. First, back in the 90’s I was following a hearing on CSPAN, and there was this keg-shaped copchick dressed up in an outlandish costume, testifying that US Federal gun law was woefully anemic. I wondered what she was playing at, was she pretending to be an East German STASI secret agent or something else? Turned out she was an oaf-ishul Noo Jersey State Po-Lice SpokesPerson. She just happened to look like something from a police state…pure coincidence. Nothing more. The second thing was when… Read more »

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Blaximus (Loaded .38 on car seat in VA.) Then he handed me my papers back and asked me if I was certain that the safety was on. Probably a joke. But maybe not. Many cops know zip about firearms other than what they are issued. This can cause problems. A friend of mine was stopped by a cop once for speeding in an open carry state, and Officer Friendly decided to disarm him because of “officer safety”. My friend was carrying an M1911A1 in Condition One, and Officer Friendly didn’t understand anything about it, so he waved the muzzle all… Read more »

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“They idolize “Jordy””

Yes, I must have missed many of your comments in the last three years. Oops.

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“Seriously, is there a point beyond defending Jordy ?” The point is over your head. No one is defending Jordy. And he is laughing all the way to to the bank as a depressed nihilistic intellectual. Some of us, including Roused have young men offspring. None of which are too stupid to not have a thought. Who are not acolytes of Jordy. Who are dancing under the gunfire at their feet. Who seek freedom from constraint. Which will come from developing talent. Mastery. Which comes from inspiration. From an ignition source. Where the fuck does that come from. Some young… Read more »

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“Because it is not de rigeur to be lectured to by the father for a number a reasons.” One big reason is this: lectures create a superior-inferior environment. Young men at around 13 y.o. must display competence in some regard and the confidence to know they can and will learn the rest…by themselves if the must, taking risks, success through some failures and not avoiding the hard times. Lectures create risk avoidence layers of playing not to lose. Picture yourself in a employee sex harrassment lecture. IMO, same thing. Secondly, it’s hard enough to step out of Dad’s shadow. “Kill… Read more »

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Hard job, being a professional lecturer, because eventually one runs out of pithy, interesting things to say, and because this is now the means of earning, sometimes the subjects become ever more controversial – if one doesn’t pace himself.

Rocket into notoriety, plunge into obscurity.

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Rocket into notoriety, plunge into obscurity. Exactly. There will either be an event that decapitates him (some kind of scandal) or he will slowly slide into oblivion as the eye of attention moves on. I’ll give Peterson this much: he’s good at making hay while the sun is shining, based on what he is taking in on his Patreon. And that’s no small thing for him at all really, having lived the financial life of an academic for the rest of his years. But his blue pill nature is devastating for young men, really. Half truths are often more harmful… Read more »

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Some of us are cited as keyboard jockeying. A false indictment. Some others are keyboard jockeying without skin in the game.

which leads to…

taking risks

indubitably, including rearing kids…”rear” as in “seat of the pants”…which some ysfoms are skeered to do….don’t wanna take risks…yet these same cats say that they believe in evolution…yet, according to evolutionary principles, if you’re not passing on your genes, you’re irrelevant…so these numbskulls are just kj-ing about evolution…

Rocket into notoriety, plunge into obscurity.

Yep, it’s all about the endgame. One of the 48 Laws is about that…

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Half truths are often more harmful than lies

The same accusation could be leveled against Dalrock. I came to the manosphere via his site, but I moved past anger and found Rollo. However, lots of boys still linger at Dal’s wallowing in anger and self-pity when they ought to move on to self-improvement.

I’m grateful to Dalrock for giving me a taste of the RP, even if it was only half a dose of the medicine that I needed to take.

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@nova – And that’s no small thing for him at all really, having lived the financial life of an academic for the rest of his years. Tenured professors make a pretty good salary, and usually have a light or non-existent workload in the summers. A quick google shows his current salary at $164,706.24, likely with a 60-80% pension for life after he retires. While this is not the same as the > $1M he is reportedly bringing in on patreon, it is still nothing to sneeze at. While I’m sure its true that he is intentionally capitalizing his notoriety, I… Read more »

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https://www.tripadvisor.co.nz/LocationPhotoDirectLink-g31582-d1122563-i261363930-Rowdy_Beaver_Restaurant_Tavern-Eureka_Springs_Arkansas.html Ha ha ha ha ha….Soooo Funny. Oh its just so funny to insult, belittle, denigrate, and cage the poor bastard who earned the money the bitch wastes as she goes on her shopping spree of compulsive consumption of frivolous materialistic crap. What an annoyance if her husband is present while she wastes the family income on her gluttony of idiocy! He must be “babysat” and aestheticized with alcohol into a stupor lest he threaten to mitigate her obnoxious waste of family income which he mostly earned while she compulsively grabs valueless trinkets! Eurika Springs is a shopping schmorgasborg of… Read more »

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Roused “They idolize “Jordy”” Yes. To idolize a sports figure is not to actually worship him as a god, so “idolatry” is not necessarily the same word. However, trawl through some of the reddit threads if you have the time, and you can find men who clearly idolize Peterson. He’s a polarizing figure because he’s stating things that were common truths less than 25 years ago. Yes, I must have missed many of your comments in the last three years. You certainly missed this one. https://therationalmale.com/2018/07/07/the-goddess-movement/comment-page-2/#comment- 257409 If you want to talk about ideas, and JBP in the context of… Read more »

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Equal rights you say?

Ha! Ok…

Women have the legal right to commit fetal homicide and murder any fetus that may inconvenience them in the future.

Fair enough! Men should have the legal right to murder any woman that may inconvenience them in the future!!

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Last week I wound up with some people at a night spot where the entertainment was a singer with an amped acoustic guitar & some electronics backing him. He sang John Denver for he boomers, the Bangles for Gen-X (never heard a man sing “Vacation Holiday” before) and then “Just shut up and dance” by Walk the Moon, a tune from 2014. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shut_Up_and_Dance_(Walk_the_Moon_song) All the girls at the bar and the standing tables began to move around, some pogoed, all of them sang with the chorus. It was the biggest hit with the single girls in an hour. That tune… Read more »

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“From the PickUp angle, that song was a perfect setup for the kind of palmreading game Tiberius described up thread.” And it’s a fun enough little pop song to sing and only takes a few minutes to learn. Outside my usual folk/blues type stuff, but I’ll throw it in if I sense it’s the right sort of crowd. I’ve Told Ev’ry Little Star is another good one. I turn into a mini game show event, challenging the audience to guess what movie I’ve just watched. If a girl gets it (and it’s always a girl) it turns into an “OMG!… Read more »

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Boomers who listen to their old Rolling Stones LP


I’ll never be your beast of burden
My back is broad but it’s a hurting
All I want is for you to make love to me
I’ll never be your beast of burden
I’ve walked for miles my feet are hurting
All I want is you to make love to me

Am I hard enough
Am I rough enough
Am I rich enough
I’m not too blind to see

http://www.songfacts.com/detail.php?lyrics=592

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Good example of not messing with america
https://www.scribd.com/document/383671427/USA-v-Zhang#from_embed

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Julien Blanc ????

( jesus, I need teh ability to post jpegs….)

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“Unfortunately he’s blinded by his own ego investment in some areas and this is a problem.” My take is that he’s not so blind as he may appear, that he is at least somewhat aware that what he feels and what he knows are not aligned, but what he knows has been unable to change what he feels. You can see it in some of his old classroom videos when he talks about experimental and study results that he knows are good results, but make him feel squicky. And not just in intersexual dynamics either, but in all the ways… Read more »

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You want mainstream fame like Peterson, Cernovich, Roosh, and Julien Blanc while pretending you don’t care cause that’s “alpha”. Face it, Molyneux refusing the air his interview with you and Joe Rogan not reaching to do a podcast with you

None of those guys have anything to offer me. Just repackaged Blue Pill shit. Rollo still comes the closest to the Red Pill.

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My take is that he’s not so blind as he may appear, that he is at least somewhat aware that what he feels and what he knows are not aligned,

“My take is that he’s not so blind as he may appear, that he is at least somewhat aware that what makes money and what he knows are not aligned,”

fify

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Very fair and balance reply Rollo. Thanks for focusing in on why the idolatry is dangerous. If the lost boys get drunk/intoxicated on the idea of JBP being their savior/messiah for their predicament, they are no better than silly girls. Men can and should compartmentalize ideas/ goals/ aspirations. That’s what makes them masculine focused. As always, I refined a few thoughts I had while discussing the ideas. Without discussing personal details and personal details, one thing I have come to realize by refining the discussion is that intersexual agency on the part of the male matters. IOW if any of… Read more »

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” I don’t agree. Ideas are just ideas and life for males is comprised of walking through minefields…”

Kinda mostly disagree.

For many young males, Life is a matter of Life and Death, and Ideas Matter Immensely.
It’s not only about a mental exercise for shits and giggles, and accuracy matters.

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@ASD: The second he said “no” to “gender pronouns” he painted a target on himself. So far he has survived, but even his tenure won’t protect him forever. He started out just protecting himself, developing a revenue stream that would be there when he gets the academic ax. Then he got a grand plan, to develop a brand new, Internet centered, university system. That is going to take a lot of money and make him a university president type, rather than an academic. There’s a lot of kissing asses to raise funds in that. Now, because of the adulation he’s… Read more »

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Experience. the more varied, the better the advice.

Can we chisel this in stone perhaps?

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I see Sentient’s guy, Vito Schnabel, is now with the bitch that fucked over Johnny and Elon:

Do you actually know any of those people? Why do you care?

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Now, because of the adulation he’s receiving he risks falling into the Tony Robbins mold instead.

Lol @ “falling into”.

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@KFG “My take is that he’s not so blind as he may appear, that he is at least somewhat aware that what he feels and what he knows are not aligned, but what he knows has been unable to change what he feels. You can see it in some of his old classroom videos when he talks about experimental and study results that he knows are good results, but make him feel squicky.” Hell Yes! And that goes to the matter of his Blue Pill Idealism too. You can see him dancing around in old videos of him discussing “Shadow… Read more »

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” Do you actually know any of those people? Why do you care?”

Awww c’mon, you know Johnny and Elon dontcha?

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@ PalmaSailor“Also ref his ideas, aren’t they more or less the same things he’s been preaching in the classroom for decades which I admit he has probably refined over time? Yes, most definitely. Gone over and over and over. Lots and lots of Ideas. Lots and lots of archetypal sources. @Blax “For many young males, Life is a matter of Life and Death, and Ideas Matter Immensely. It’s not only about a mental exercise for shits and giggles, and accuracy matters.” Depends on your frame of reference. I understand that you are out there mentoring a boatload of young men.… Read more »

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…. just girls.

Not magicians or sorcerers or goddesses. Not really.

Being ” a man ” is quite enough, as long as you understand who you’re dealing with. What’s their nature? What are they capable of by degree, and can you suss out the signs?

Pussy blindness is a handicap, as I’ve tried to convey 1,000 times. I’m sure Vito thinks Amber is a high HB hottie ( that shit is mostly objective no matter how much guys try to quantify it. That’s why They Fall ).

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Being DPA alone isn’t enough…being a PUA isn’t enough…even being a Red Pill aware man is not enough (see: mgtow no Fap virgins) iow, knowledge + action => wisdom & understanding That’s one reason I like Ecclesiastes…Solomon tried a lot of things… Girls & their feelz….Mrs. Gamer is all excited about the new granddaughter…who lives many hours away atm…talks about Granddaughter Gamer a lot…looks at baby pics a lot…talks with Daughter Gamer every night…feelz….I was a Bad Person ™ because I told Mrs. Gamer that we had to leave Daughter Gamer’s house before Mrs. Gamer wanted to leave…deprived her of… Read more »

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My deal is that my boys (son, future son in law, and a cohort of young men that are close) are not as at risk as your boys. Umm, Sorry? It goes to frame of reference

Understood.

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I’m not trying to be sarcastic or non-empathetic. It’s how I am.

I wouldn’t even have said, “Um, sorry?” If I actually knew them, I’d care. It’s how I am. Now there’s me being sarcastic. lol

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These guys, going after that Amber chick, whatever they get is mostly what they deserve in a sense.

A sane man should leave her to her own devices. There are some chicks that are too far gone to do anything with, and one’s fame or notoriety or smarts will never change any of that.

But…. hawt…. Lol.

Famous…..

Games for kids. Fuck that, go to Disney. Their fantasy won’t take your shit and bust your Corazon, and you can pretend all you want until you reach your car in the parking lot.

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wrt Grandbaby Gamer, I’m not about the feelz. I care how she turns out, tho. If there’s something I know to do that will help her, I’ll do it. But, if that happens, it won’t be for a few years.

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” . . . you need to come from a position where you can get it if you want it and the decision is voluntary.”

This.

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kfg And it’s a fun enough little pop song to sing and only takes a few minutes to learn. Outside my usual folk/blues type stuff, but I’ll throw it in if I sense it’s the right sort of crowd. “Right sort of crowd” would be any crowd with 20-something or early 30’s girls far as I can tell. I’ve Told Ev’ry Little Star is another good one. I turn into a mini game show event, challenging the audience to guess what movie I’ve just watched. If a girl gets it (and it’s always a girl) it turns into an “OMG!… Read more »

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palmasailor Also ref his ideas, aren’t they more or less the same things he’s been preaching in the classroom for decades which I admit he has probably refined over time? It’s the ideas that used to be taught by fathers, uncles, older brothers, cousins, scoutmasters, horse wranglers, forest rangers, sports coaches, ROTC instructors, shop teachers…etc. As I said before, the fact that this is attention getting just shows how far the Female Imperative has shoved the window of discourse. “Stand up straight” – PE class in 7th grade…plus my father…plus other men…plus my mother, too. Geeze. Should not be a… Read more »

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Then he got a grand plan, to develop a brand new, Internet centered, university system. That is going to take a lot of money and make him a university president type, rather than an academic. There’s a lot of kissing asses to raise funds in that.

Paging Bill Gates. Paging Bill Gates…

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Not Vito… His dad. Julian.

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““Right sort of crowd” would be any crowd with 20-something or early 30’s girls far as I can tell.”

I play mostly private college town coffeehouses. They draw from the high schools as well because it’s someplace they can go without getting carded. Of course they also draw whatever 60s burnout cases are floating about.

“Lot of fans of Tippi Hedren up there?”

Like I said, it’s always a girl. They’re Naomi Watts fans.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2XnBsLP9lE

That’s Melissa George singing. She also plays the Hooker With a Heart of Gold/Murder Victim in Dark City. I’m a Jennifer Connolly fan.

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“It’s the ideas that used to be taught by fathers, uncles, older brothers, cousins, scoutmasters, horse wranglers, forest rangers, sports coaches, ROTC instructors, shop teachers…etc.” For a number of reasons (which I could explain with too much verbiage), I haven’t seen any of those around in my my boys’ (son, future son in law, and a cohort of young men that are close) realm. Hence: a void that you-know-who might be attractive as filling. (and my son did have one high school coach that was horribly, awfully Blue Pill…) And as far as being a father, I took the non-helicopter… Read more »

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Like I said, it’s always a girl. They’re Naomi Watts fans.

Oh, that film.

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“why did Mrs. Gamer care about B.O.B. and try to fix it? Feelz.”

The fuck?

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“Oh, that film.”

It’s artsy chick crack.

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@kfg

The girl in the picture is Vanessa Hudgens, not Mila Kunis. Sorry to be pedantic, just Mila Kunis is one of my favorite actresses.

And to add, girls can lift and lift, and they won’t bulk up like men. They will get super lean, and have nice muscle curves, but not big arms or quads like men will. Lack of testosterone, what can you do…

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“The girl in the picture is Vanessa Hudgens, not Mila Kunis.”

Yeah. Got my signals crossed somehow, because I’ve used the Hudgens example before without the error. She’s even tinier than Kunis.

“Sorry to be pedantic . . .”

Not at all. It’s called accuracy. I’m in favor of it. Thank you.

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B.O.B. Battery Operated Boyfriend…vibrator

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“Lack of testosterone, what can you do…”

Well, if you’re an athlete, you can take “steps” to keep your test levels near the legal limit.

Under the current transgender rules the 70s East German women would have had to compete as men.

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I realized something last night…girls live in feelz, so you train them using praise. Boys should be different. Train boys using their own sense of accomplishment. You don’t want boys to train boys to respond to praise because that just makes them weak. Also, with boys, you might want to make a task tougher than normal to make them tougher and smarter. More confident. Put obstacles in their way. Yell at them. Don’t try to be their friend. Drill sergeant approach. (not that I was ever in the military) This wisdom was also in The Dosadi Experiment by Frank Herbert.… Read more »

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Vanessa Hudgens, still lookin’ “super lean” in 2018.

https://www.stalkcelebs.com/post/708/vanessa-hudgens-at-soulcycle-in-los-angeles—april-11-2018

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Like I said, I’ve seen this again and again.
She must not be doing it right.

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“B.O.B. Battery Operated Boyfriend…vibrator”

Yeah. The Fuck?… Still in operation.

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“I’ve seen this again and again.”

Yeah, so have I. It’s what’s to be expected when you start doing too many reps with the weight of a cheese danish.

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“Not at all. It’s called accuracy. I’m in favor of it. Thank you.” Interesting thing about That what with all the buffers that AFC’s, incels or Blue Pill aficionados use vs. Red Pill Awareness. It’s recursive to that concept of Unity of Heart/Soul and the Mind. From Rollo’s 5 Stages of Unplugging it has to do with that Anger Phase (or take your pick of Denial, Bargaining or Depression), when they wake up to what their mind was cock-blocking from their soul. Their former lies being exposed (by awareness of how things really are) for what they are by a… Read more »

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I worked as a receptionist in a hospital when I was a teen. The dietician’s office was next door and the clients would sit in my waiting area. I saw the effects of the no fat, all carb diet. Dietician would talk about calories and the importance of eliminating all fat. I noticed the patients over time didn’t seem to lose weight so the dietician asserted they must be “cheating”. They also got really ornery. I was only 17, but it was pretty clear to me whatever they were doing wasn’t working. Some things work brilliantly for men’s bodies….not the… Read more »

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But it could be they just arne’t doing it right.
Like Communism.

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Eliminating fat has been incorrect since its inception.

Wanna lose weight and improve your hormonal profile, eat butter/fats and cut carbs/sugars drastically, even eliminating them completely from time to time.

For good measure, don’t eat grains/breads either.

The food pyramid we grew up with will make you sick over time.

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The two most medically underserved: the mentally ill and obese, for different reasons.

Mental illness isnt profitable to celebrate. Obesity is.

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“Like Communism.”

“Communism would work amazingly well if it wasn’t for human nature”. (h/t to BlackLabelLogic)

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“Eliminating fat has been incorrect since its inception.
Wanna lose weight and improve your hormonal profile, eat butter/fats and cut carbs/sugars drastically, even eliminating them completely from time to time.”

Agreed. Because it works. But cutting all fat and eating all carbs also works, as long as calories are minimal (I’ve done it). Just not longterm. In general (there might be outliers but when I look for a gauge on decisions I try to still to observation of longterm trends).

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Careful, carbs promote inflammation, depending on the source, in organs and in the circulatory system.

This is one of the reasons cholesterol/fat will have a tendency to collect in these places. Absent higher carb intake, organs and arteries remain much clearer.

Certain carbs act as sandpaper almost.

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Thanks Blax, I haven’t done that in a long, long time.
Last time was after our youngest was born….just ate one thing for about six weeks (oatmeal or rice for instance). Not suggesting anyone else try it. The contrary, I don’t think anyone should…. but it worked like a champ. I figured if a POW could survive on only rice every day for years, I could do it for six weeks.

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I’m just two degrees of separation from Tippi Hedren but not getting the answer to this trivia question. Please help.

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Girl trains to be thin and shapely, gets thin and shapely. Girl stops training to be thin and shapely and starts training to eat lasagna, gets fat. Ergo, training to be thin and shapely makes you fat. “Not suggesting anyone else try it. The contrary, I don’t think anyone should….” Eggs. If you eat only eggs you’ll be fine (but I advise throwing in a few ounces of liver once a week). And due to the packaging you only have to weigh and calculate calories once. After that you just count eggs. Which due to the packaging is super easy,… Read more »

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“For good measure, don’t eat grains/breads either.”

The hamburger has developed a notorious reputation, and not without justification, but please note that the hamburger is a sandwich.

And as long as I’m here I’ll note that wheat is the most “problematic” of grains, rice the least.
Soy is the most problematic legume, lentils the least.

So if you’re going to eat a grain and legume diet no matter what anybody says, eat Indian food. Rice and lentils.

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I found one distinct and significant usage of “divine feminine” by Peterson in one of his writings…

For better for worse, that idea reaches its apogee in Christianity. The divine individual is masculine because the feminine is not individual: The divine feminine is, instead, mother and child.

https://jordanbpeterson.com/philosophy/new-years-letter/

Protestants are gonna have problems with JP’s theology; since JP leans heavily on theology for his weltanschauung, especially concerning the relations of men and women, he will diminish his market. Of course, ignorant young men who are merely ‘tribal’ protestants probably won’t even pick up on that.

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All calls are handled in the order they are received

Movements and the redpill

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@Palma However, to do that you need to come from a position where you can get it if you want it and the decision is voluntary. Isn’t this a result of shifting mindset from scarcity thinking to abundance thinking? If pussy is abundant, then there is no sacrifice to choosing to abstain at any point in time. You can merely choose to partake at the next moment. Monk mode may be useful to facilitate introspection and aid in arriving at a frame of abundance. However, there is no need for a prolonged “mode” once you have mastered this concept. For… Read more »

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“Monk mode may be useful to facilitate introspection and aid in arriving at a frame of abundance. However, there is no need for a prolonged “mode” once you have mastered this concept.”

@marelius, Agreed.

Monk Mode for Monk Mode’s sake is a buffer. And as you stated, maybe even a failure to internalize an abundance mindset.

Absolutely. get your shit straight, but at some point you must test your mettle.

How solid is your Frame? How centered is your MPoO? What is your metric? Only one way to find out.

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Seraph You read like an intelligent man and your point about JBP’s interpretation of the divine feminine isn’t lost on me. BUT what you are missing is JBP is blue pill when it comes to gender dynamics,it’s socialy conditioned into him. His battle with PC speech at the campus level is what kicked off his current fame. What he is battling with is the byproduct of what Rollo is battling ,capisch? When we see JBP fight against blue pill ideals( blank slate equalism,egalitarianism,defering to the feminine,ect,) at the root cause and stop playing with the side effects then this is… Read more »

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“Sometimes called witches due to their secretive nature and misunderstood powers, the Bene Gesserit are loyal only to themselves. However, to attain their goals and avoid outside interference, they often screen themselves with the illusion of being loyal to other groups or individuals.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bene_Gesserit It’s fiction, for those who have not read the Dune books. Then this from the Art of War: “If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you… Read more »

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Awwww sheeeit. Dune again. That shit was Red Pill before it was cool.

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I guess I can be put in the JPB ‘fanboi’ category since I get a hell of a lot of value from his lectures. @Rollo, one thing you and Peterson have in common is that you both have unusually high Value/Bullshit ratios. Like, >90%. For that, I respect you both immensely. I agree with the criticism that JPB is blue pill and a tradcon, but I take issue with the suggestions that he’s fond of the phrase ‘divine feminine’. It’s just not true in a literal way nor is true that JBP spends a disproportionate amount of time pedastalizing the… Read more »

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Blaximus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuBFJL5QAPw
Stumbled on this and was thinking about some of your comments.

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The JBP criticism is interesting, I’ve been away from reading this blog for some months, it looks like he is still making quite a big impact here, as he should be. The latest 3 hour JBP session with Joe Rogan is very interesting, his best interview to date. He connects a lot of concepts together, some that were being talked about by libertarian authors such as Robert Ringer as far back as the 70s and 80s in some of the recent books I have read. JBP is highly intelligent and is extremely good at tying in cultural/social economic/envy issues etc… Read more »

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I agree with the criticism that JPB is blue pill and a tradcon, but I take issue with the suggestions that he’s fond of the phrase ‘divine feminine’. It’s just not true in a literal way

I bet this author scrolls past my comments.

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I’m done with JBP. Clearly I’m not allowed to have an opinion on the man else it’s professional jealousy… You’d be wise to listen to yourself there. Unfortunately unless you chose to pay the man a compliment, and leapfrog off of one of his ideas, and thereby attract some of his fans, all else will appear to be petty jealousy. And the more you protest it isn’t jealousy, the more it will seem it is. I have told Dalrock, that I think it would be better to try to work with and red pill educate JP than to make an… Read more »

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