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For the past three years of The Rational Male there’s been a consistent presence in the comment threads of guys seeking advice for particular situations with regards to Game. Whether it’s fine tuning certain aspects of Game or a larger consensus of the guys participating in my comment threads it’s become obvious there’s a need for a dedicated page and comment thread to address these Field Reports.

So I’m instituting this page for exactly this. If there is some urgency to have members of The Rational Male community analyze your particular situation feel free to hit anyone up in the comments of my current post, but please refer them to your particular field report with a link to your comment here. I’m hoping this will alleviate the mass of posts for field report analysis and Game specific insights piled into the main blog post for any given week.

There will be some rules for this “forum” as such. I ask that you only keep your comments to addressing the field reports at hand and save your larger theoretical stuff for the main posts, or if relevant, keep the “bigger scope of things” posts to being as succinct as possible. There will be no moderation in this comment thread (spamming excepted), so realize it will be a very hot kitchen before you post. I will impose no restrictions on video links here, nor will I limit links to various, but pertinent articles.

Understand, this is an experiment for now. It’s likely this comment thread will exceed thousands of comments. I’ll be instituting new comment plug-ins for wordpress to deal with this in the future, but I may archive this page the the posts and refresh this page in the future as well. If this gets cumbersome I may simply institute a dedicated forum-style sub-site of The Rational Male to accommodate for Game specific questions.

So have at it, post your field reports and feel free to comment on the ones you have some particular insight for. Be forewarned that it’s likely things may get a bit salty at times and I expect a lot of back & forth with debate and disagreements, but that’s what this thread is for – to hash out Game particulars for your given situations.

 

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PS – It needs to be congruent to your personality but what I find works for me (especially compared to the good looking wing I go out with most often, who is a very “straight” guy in conversations) is just being outrageously sexual because I can be congruent with that (YaReally used to to do something similar). PPS – You don’t say how attractive the girl was in this case, but in my experience the cuter girls (7s and 8s+) tend to be *more* receptive to you if you have Good game because you’re unusual – they’re used to Gameless… Read more »

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@scars we chase those who ignore us. he was running game without even realizing it. she probably felt like you were ‘trying’ to get her. He’s the mysterious one. I would have introduced her to him, then go talk to some other girl within her view. This way it will make her realize that he actually isn’t all that special and slowly her attraction for him will fade and then when she looks around and sees you having a good time with another girl, she’ll realize that you’re actually the more attractive one. She’ll probably throw you an IOI to… Read more »

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“The thing is after youve had the surgery nothing has changed. So you have more until you look ridiculous.”

https://twitter.com/kristynamarteli/status/824771177566593024

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…unless he actually has good game, in which case I seem to recall YaReally suggesting physically picking up the girl and carrying her off (although that was more for random AMOGs, not your wing who shouldn’t be competing with you)

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@culum – She wasn’t amazing. Maybe a 6.5? @J – that goes against what culum and yeareally advised? However, I actually DID do as you advise here a few months back when I was out with him (I don’t get to see him that much as he doesn’t part much anymore). On that ocassion, I opened up a girl sitting down in a pub. It was going very well. When she asked me who I was with, I actually called him over and introduced them. Again, instantly she’s got the doggy dinner bowl eyes. On this ocassion, I left them… Read more »

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What @j said doesn’t go against what YaReally or I said at all. It just adds to it.

He’s basically saying to use social proof in your favour. That’s essentially one (effective) way of spiking her emotions. It’s not the only way, but it’s one way and it’s a good way.

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Just to add – @j’s suggestion does *two* things – one is that it uses social proof to make you more attractive (plus points for you), and it *also* makes the good looking guy’s mystique drop (minus points for him) by letting him talk to her and her to realize he has no Game and is actually more boring than the cool guy charming all the other girls nearby (you).

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Oh. I read it as ”try to spike her emotions and ‘outgame’ the handsome dude’ vs ‘ignore her, showing non-neediness and maybe she’ll become attracted when she sees you having fun (especially if the handsome dude is boring her).
But cool, I think I get what you’re saying
Having said that, I think no matter how bad his game would have been, he could have got her! lol.

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@scars Having said that, I think no matter how bad his game would have been, he could have got her! lol. That’s why you lost her. You shut down as soon as he showed up. Now imagine if you thought you were the coolest dude around. Would you care about this handsome dude? Hell no! You are the coolest dude around. Him being handsome isn’t enough. He’s not even close to you. He’d need a billion bucks and a nine inch dick to even begin to compete with you, and you’d still be way cooler. So what would you do?… Read more »

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” GPS: as long as it is done with confidence, it should be ok to tell her to guide the tip in with her own hand if she doesn’t do it by herself, but that is if she knows what she is doing. Otherwise, I imagine place the tip front first then guide it back with your own hand until it finds the hole and push in.
This is what I think I’ve done a few times, but I’d like to increase the consistency.”

Okay I give up. What’s GPS?

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“Joke around about what a handsome awesome dude he is and the two of them should totally bang (which is really tooling the dude since now you’ve triggered her ASD, and it will throw the guy off if he doesn’t have game “what, no! I uh, we were just talking” haha — and since you don’t care if they really did bang — you are the coolest dude around, you can bang anyone you want — you don’t come across as butthurt)”

+1

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J That’s good for AMOGs or other guys in your set. It’s not good for a wing when you are starting out*. You need to clear up the situation with your wing UPFRONT, who has the shot and what the other guy will do… In this case, your wing should talk you up, talk himself out (Have a GF etc.) and generally make it easier for Scars. Set rules with your wing or don’t use a wing, because as you see two are company and three a crowd. * – different when you have a good wing and you are… Read more »

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“getting a girl to put down the phone” re: the montage video of the guy using the blow horn to get his girls attention back from her phone he is mate guarding. he is bathing her in attention. he is validating her use of a device. but, obviously its staged, so he’s not really doing any of those pedestalizing things. or is he? who wrote these scenes? him? her? unseen third flim student? what do they have in common? she is the focus (prize). he searches her out (with the intent to change her behavior). normally that would be seen… Read more »

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@Blax: Guidance to Pussy Systems.
Either the woman’s fingers or my fingers, most likely.
Ideally I can use it when there isn’t visual contact with the target pussy.

@Sentient: LOL. Ok I imagined that was the case, but it is nice to have it confirmed. Where do you find this stuff?

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Sick analysis brah

“younger guys will see vids like this and think… that’s awesome. what an asshole. that’s what girls want.”

lol Heartiste’s the one who shared the video. and I have a strong feeling he’s not a young dude.

They are YouTube (fake) pranksters. They did one with the roles reversed too:

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bd5v1M9HAE_/?hl=en&taken-by=hammy_tv

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@Scars: don’t take it as badly. Your buddy inadvertently was running game when he ignored her to “help you” (oops) and you were inadvertently confirming to the girl you are lower value, as you were reacting to him and also eventually appearing as try hard with her. I can see it is tricky, as you need to do something to get her focus back on you so technically you do need to “react” and to do something, but the Frame of how you do it is key. Unfortunately I can’t advise better, but I think a good move (already suggested… Read more »

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@IAS – That’s kind of what I done a few months back with the other time I mentioned. I opened a girl sitting down. Was going OK. She asked where my friends were and I called over my model friend who was at the bar. I was like ”I’m gonna warn you. He’s super good looking! You’ll fall in love fast!” and then he came over and she was instantly doe eyed. I playfully teased her about wanting him etc and it made her laugh and stuff, but at the same time, I don’t think it was enough to get… Read more »

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Hi 24 yrs old, newly red pilled guy here. This comment/question is not particularly about dating but about how women see me. I am currently studying at a university out of my hometown. The place where i go to have my meals is a regular house. The wife of the family runs the catering service. Shes a 2, but very friendly, age is about 30, 2 kids, a good married life. One day she called me to tell that the service will remain closed for 2 days as she is going out of town for relaxation. She also said that… Read more »

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Lol GPS must be guided pussy service, this is always nice afirmative action.

On the other hand it sounds like global positioning system for fat chicks really fat big girls.

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Jijo

With all your experience, we should be asking you what she is thinking.

She has the hots for you man, this is why she says you are different.

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How’s your practice going? Wife’s back yet?

When learning new skills, some people record themselves to catch what they could improve… Good feedback loop. Just a thought… 😉

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@jijo1020
“So my question is do women see me as a pushover?”

Depends. Do you stick your dick in one (or more)?

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@IRL: flirting lightly with some girls that I actually intend to work with, so not going to push that for obvious reasons, but they are tossing their hair around and stuff like that as IOIs. I’ll see if I get them to go out after dinner so they work as pre-selection and see if I can pull a random as long (as the coworkers won’t realize it).

Been seeding the idea of recording on the FWB girl as well (I have recorded with the wife before, and want to do it again as well).

Will practice on wife soon…

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Trying to understand the dynamic Married 9 years have children, I was the blue pill chump 100%, serious dead bedroom and attempts at “negotiated” intimacy, yep it was bad. In desperation I stumbled upon Red Pill about 3 years ago, long story short dove in head first. Situation at home wasn’t improving and out of frustration ended up using some of those new redpill skills and had a 1 time fling (a younger chick to boot) with another woman. Got caught, damn text msgs…… Now here is the interesting thing. In hindsight I was a dick when I got caught.… Read more »

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I’m not married, far from it, but the generic red pill advice is – competition anxiety – dread – continuous self improvement – get your finances in order for the worst – day to day, make decisions and be decisive And that’s basically all the red pill says about that. Player advice is that these chicks are gonna do whatever they want, so you can’t really depend on them to be consistent (and trying to micromanage their lives is its own prison). You can depend on you to be consistent. The pimps would tell you that she needs to develop… Read more »

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“substantial progress” but yet incomplete. You get no progress payments. You get paid 100% when you make the shift from beta to alpha. It’s binary.

Right now you are in the frame battle stage. Some alpha but some beta so you get tested and sometimes you pass and sometimes you fail.

It’s frustrating for you. But just imagine how she feels. Lol.

To get to the end you have to get to the end. Go all in on you.

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Example

““I see you’re upset, when you are done being passive aggressive lets talk about what the problem is”. ”

Yeah you state this flatly, seems alpha to you then, but it’s a beta statement and puts you in her frame.

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@ Mark T: First, Congrats. That’s a miracle like raising the dead. Second, she’s “shit testing” you with the cold-spells — likely she isn’t even aware she’s doing it. Trying to see if she can get you to place HER as your mental point of origin. It’s seductive because we have been conditioned to put the woman as the priority, and not practice the “enlightened self-interest” of Tomassi. May be enough to simply see the dynamic at play. Can then have a patience and even compassion for her without surrendering your mental point of origin; because you can only have… Read more »

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@Mark T

Female hindbrain:
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She feels you’re her best hypergamous option and she rationalizes it in your/her favor. She doesn’t feel it – she uses it against you and goes for the throat (little by little until it spirals out of control). Her hindbrain needs to constantly ping off the environment to see if her choice is right.

You find your thoughts/actions wrong or immoral – and she knows…

She makes you react to her mood – and she knows… (and learns which one gets to you)

Part of keeping a lioness around…

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Hey Mark, welcome aboard. Great place you got your self/ There’s a lot going for you and you’re in the right place. Yes…you did serious dread. You have good instincts. Trust your gut. You’ve got value and she knows this but won’t tip her cards as AWALT covert in their power plays. They can’t be overt as they lose generally. “She will go cold over something and be passive aggressive for a week” Does she hide the pussy while passive aggressive? Either way you’ve got something to work with. Tell us more and post some specific field reports so we… Read more »

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As a spin-off: Wonder if the capacity to be one’s own mental point of origin is a distinct characteristic defining manhood; and that a woman simply cannot be her own mental point of origin. It’s not in her. It would explain a lot of why women behave as they do. It would explain also why a woman needs her man to have this; and why when he loses this, it’s like the North Star is suddenly vanished: her universe/security comes to an end and everything goes south. Nothing is any longer certain. The recurrent “shit-testing” in marriage/LTR may simply be… Read more »

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“a woman simply cannot be her own mental point of origin.”

She has her innate intersexual af/bb objectives. Getting them is a woman’s mpoo.

Her hypergamy’s sneaky…so much so she might not realise it herself.

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“Wonder if the capacity to be one’s own mental point of origin is a distinct characteristic defining manhood; and that a woman simply cannot be her own mental point of origin. It’s not in her.”

When you think of the childrenz, it’s a feature not a bug. 😃

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@Everyone: need some specific advice. I just number closed a gorgeous girl (high 7 to 8) that is here for a week. Managed to know e.g. what her hotel is, and when we parted I moved in and she totally leaned in herself for the kiss greeting (cheeks not lips). Also know her first name. Now the problem is, the number close was a bit prior to that and it really looks like it is missing a digit… Possibly at the end? I wanted to Whatsapp her and try to get a dinner close to her hotel today or tomorrow,… Read more »

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@IAS Lol Fortune favors the bold Get all 10 numbers out. “Hey [her name] I have your silly girly thing you’ve lost on your way from [her city/country]” “Who is this?” “Lol you grabbed my ass at [place] perv” Etc. Pull their leg without wanting anything from them until something hooks. Don’t set up a date, just be playful and find out who plays along (I would! lol). If they ask for the “thing” just text “what’s my name”. Less is more. Make them work for it. And, dude, no dinners. A quick drink is more than enough. You don’t… Read more »

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Laid. 1st of the year. 9th since starting ‘game’ a year or so back Really not much to write in terms of an FR. It fell into my lap a little bit. She basically approached me on teh dancefloor and made it easy. I really didn’t need to do anything. (kind of how I imagine it is for good looking guys lol) The only thing I DID do (which I likely wouldn’t have done before discovering game) was lead hard in terms of basically suggesting we go back to her place and also being more physical once I knew she… Read more »

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@IRL: thanks. I tried that (5 mins of entering the 10 variations) and none of it seems to be a valid number, or she lied about using WhatsApp (I asked after getting her number and told her I’d send her a message). It is strange, it really seemed she was into me, strong prolonged eye contact, the greeting at the end… But it really looks like she made up a number on the spot… It has the correct country code, but doesn’t continue to the first digit of that country’s mobile number, and has one digit less than it should.… Read more »

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@scars “There were these 2 gorgeous girls who looked like fun time girls on the dancefloor, giggling and dancing..at times, dancing near me and I wonder if it could have went somewhere, but I just didn’t have the balls.” haha I’ve been there man. It’s hard cause you have a guarantee but if you ditch her for one of the hotter girls, there’s a possibility it might not work out and then you lose your guarantee and then you’ve got nothing. What helped me with this was a year ago, I was winging with a 6 year game veteran (this… Read more »

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Motivation for tonight

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@IAS

Don’t worry about it. Good thing you pushed it forward.

Next time: no numbers, just instadates. Move her to the nearest coffee shop or so. Or go with her a few blocks before parting ways.

If no instadate (but not because “umm I prefer dinner”), only then go for a number and text something quick then and there. Keep talking, the number doesn’t mean the end of the interaction.

Good luck!

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@IRL: we were both coming from the airport with luggage. I actually didn’t see her in the plane but it is possible I DHV’d with her watching. I saw her at the checked luggage belt and opened her, then my luggage arrived, said goodbye and I split as I had to do something at the airport. I looked back and saw she was heading to the subway and cursed for having to do something at the airport, but then I actually got to the subway before she did (I already had the ticket), so I re-opened her and we traveled… Read more »

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IAS

How did you go for the number?

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@Sentient: I had my phone already in hand. I spiked her a bit with something (made a joke or qualified her or something), opened contacts and went “So what is your name?” she tells me and I type it in. I show her, not correct spelling, so I put it in her hands. She fixes it, passes the phone back to me. We talk a bit about the name (I notice she never asked mine), she mentions her sister name and I still have the contacts open, so I go “Can I have your number” and put it in her… Read more »

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@IAS – good work. I don’t think you’re overthinking it. Details are important until you internalize the principles. You don’t want “paralysis by analysis” in the moment – just take action, but when doing your FRs and reviewing later, the details are crucial.

PS – My February Blitz starts tomorrow. There are plenty of malls here in the Big City, but I’ve been told about one an hour away which is apparently very good for day game. Limiting beliefs gonna get shattered this month.

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IAS It’s ok to analyze as long as you aren’t getting stuck or avoiding new opportunities. Based on this: “I still have the contacts open, so I go “Can I have your number” ” Seems like a soft number close. Didn’t see a lot of IOIs in your FR. Since you were both going in the same direction that can be discounted. Lack of sexualizing too. You know enough now you can afford to sloooow down and put the pressure on her to chase/step up. Try next time to keep DHVing until she wants to exchange numbers, or try ijjjji’s… Read more »

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IAS Airport example of above forcing the number on you… https://therationalmale.com/field-reports-comment-page-2-comments/comment-page-28/#comment-204165 She is biting her lip. Has a goofy smile forming. I’d say something mundane, like she asked if I had my car here and she qualifies to my yes with “oh nice great. So convenient.” And Im like yup. But the bubble is formed… Its strong. Been like a 10 minute or less walk. We get to the terminal entrance, she has a checked bag and a rental to get. I am going to the garage. She say s “well i guess tgis is where we part”… I say… Read more »

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Sentient And Having A Bad Day I see you’re posting so I wanted to ask a quick question including to you and all the other dads. My son is 6. I posted about taking him on a father-son trip last year and received some great feedback here. He’s not very academic and is late to reading and writing, but he’s extremely high energy, he’s a good looking kid, popular in school and very charming and very socially astute and clever with people. He is very good at getting his own way and knows when to be charming. Extremely strong “frame”… Read more »

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@TheMarquis Welcome back. How does your son’s average day look like? Talk us through that. How much of your time does he have? Is it quality time or frustrating routines when you’re tired? Is there anything you do together and BOTH enjoy? My son (7yo) and I share the same sense of humor, so there’s a lot of ball busting and pranking (both ways lol): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sQFx_e_0jc Also, I give him more and more responsibilities that make him feel like a young man. At the same time, there are certain things that have to be done. I don’t compromise on that.… Read more »

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Lol… our current tune for the routine before school:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llR8NafXp8k

…and the world is at your feet. Arrrr!

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Marquis Good stuff on the trip with your wife. She is the same person when you are home you know, you just need to be “that guy” from the trip… On your boy – you’ve got a lot of work to do. His behavior is a reflection on you and for that reason alone you need to put an end to it. Sounds like he needs more discipline, immediate consequences. Spanking. Until he gets it. You got to push him past the point to when he gets it. So he knows he has to deal with you when he does… Read more »

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCdbKQ9vODU

“listen kiddo I’m not your best friend, that’s your mother’s racket. I’m your father. I tell you when you screw up.”

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Great clip.

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“listen kiddo I’m not your best friend, that’s your mother’s racket. I’m your father. I tell you when you screw up.” Right out of the Dr. Laura Schlessinger’s playbook. The father is there for discipline the mother is there for unconditional love. Even if the mother and father are playing the old good cop/bad cop routine, it is still a proven complementary parenting thing that is necessary. The problem is that puts you as the bad cop and makes more work for you. Don’t resent that. Don’t get angry or be in any stage short of Acceptance even if it… Read more »

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I just shared these posts with my wings. Might as well share it with you guys.

Mystery Method Vs ACC (Arousal – Comfort – Close) Method

“Mystery Method limits your approach to Game in general as it focuses on “negs”, “DHV” and “building rapport”. In comparison, ACC approaches pickup with an emphasis on “intimate proximity”, “physical escalation”, and “isolation” so intimacy is created without the need for attraction.”

http://pickupdaily.com/2018/01/31/mystery-method-vs-acc-method/
http://pickupdaily.com/2018/01/10/attraction-vs-arousal-pt-1/
http://pickupdaily.com/2018/02/01/attraction-vs-arousal-pt-2/

I think this style is most effective in the 2nd half of the night. Kinda looks like what I do to get fast lays.

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back to 1987 and a 19 year old Will Smith.

False rape accusations? She has a boyfriend? Flaking?

MGTOW?

[youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOaFh-yJk_k&w=854&h=480%5D

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” Here’s proof: if isolated yourself and a stunning supermodel, both butt-naked, on an island with no hope to escape, it wouldn’t take long for sex to happen”

So how come when Aziz isolated that chick she didn’t bang him? Because she had a chance of escape?

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Part 3

http://pickupdaily.com/2018/02/06/attraction-approval-seeking-vs-arousal-pt-3/

@WIA

Aziz didn’t bang her because of his uncalibrated needy “please.please.please” behavior. But even still, she was aroused enough to suck his dick because they were isolated.

The key is to understand the ‘isolated island sex’ thing because that allows you to lean back and take the pressure off you and her (law of state transference). RSD Max calls it the Fuck Faith Frame. “Male and female are meant to attract each other. Sex is the most natural thing in the world.She’s a female. I’m a male. There is gonna be sex”

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Hey guys I have noticed something recently that I kind of am not able to understand. I have this friend of mine who is around 5ft 7 slim and a pretty good looking guy. He doesn’t have any idea of Game and the Red Pill but he is extremely confident, assertive and goes for what he wants without any apology. He is amazing when it comes to women and is always fucking gorgeous women. But the thing that perplexes me about his success with women is that, he is sexually submissive in bed and is big time into female domination… Read more »

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@j – looks interesting, thanks will read it today. Also – shoutout about the Farnam Street blog – since you linked it a while ago, I’ve been following his blog and he posts great stuff. I just bought the Operation Kronstadt book about First World War espionage mentioned in the latest post (the real life protagonist pianist turned spy in Russia sounds like a great example of Sentient’s DPA). Oh and Sentient – I still check out the Sebastian Pritchard Bastiat Blogger once a month or so, but unfortunately he hasn’t posted anything in years..(however the Hedge Fund Gigolo look… Read more »

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@j Salute! Good explanation. @Gambler Your question sort of answers itself “I have this friend of mine who is around 5ft 7 – slim – pretty good looking guy. – extremely confident, assertive and goes for what he wants without any apology” Where most guys are trying to please others, scared of what they want etc – your dude is not. The personality and behavior draws them in and keeps them on the hook. As YaReally was fond of saying, paraphrasing the Joker, Nobody panics when things go “according to plan”. Even if the plan is horrifying!” Game is about… Read more »

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Thank you to the men who commented about the situation with my son (SJF, Sentient, IRL – I don’t think I missed anyone). The main takeaway I am getting from this actually clicked when I read the comments along with the second part of my post about taking my wife on a successful trip away. I really need to do with my son what I did with my wife on the trip away – I need to take responsibility, shoulder the burden and DO what needs to be done to get my son back on track, just as I took… Read more »

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@TheMarquis I don’t have much time to reply properly so just real quick for now: Kids, like women, crave attention. So they prefer ‘bad’ attention over no attention. If you have quality time with your son and he values it, taking it away is a punishment. Arguing or telling him to (not) do something while still keeping him in the same situ is a reward (your full attention). That’s why a properly executed “time out” is so powerful. Also, you being playful (or giving ‘quality time’ in general) is a reward and you should NOT reward bad behavior. Don’t mix… Read more »

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“Sentient I don’t quite understand what you say about pushing him with immediate consequences till he “gets it” ”

You got it. A few timely spankings go along way. And cosign IRL on consistency. Key to discipline. Imagine that!

Biggest reason women suck at discipline, they go by feelz and they are up and down.

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Sexual Assault – Fighting the Superpower of the Feminine Imperative I saw this report before sitting down to dinner with the family. I remarked that this was a bunch of crap. That it was an “off-the-charts” non-proportional reaction to an action. Police Report: On [Date], at approximately [afternoon in broad daylight in a safe neighborhood] a person reported to local police that while walking in the [Numbered Block of Street] they were approached from behind by an unidentified male subject who then touched them inappropriately before fleeing the area. An argument quickly ensued with wife, daughter, and to a lesser… Read more »

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…. I love me some rugby, and I watch at least 1/2 of the vids he posts.

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@j – I had a quick read of those pickupdaily articles on arousal v attraction. Isn’t he basically saying that you should do things that emotionally spike her (what he calls arousal) instead of simply standing around ticking all the socially approved boxes (looks, money, whatever) and effectively qualifying to her and hoping she gets “attracted” to you and picks you? I mean, sure, I agree with him, but this is the stuff that YaReally banged on about endlessly and in way more detail with better explanations. I feel like I’m missing some additional nuance..am I? It also sounds like… Read more »

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@culum @j Agree. Ya always does it better lol. Firstly, I don’t like his categorizing attraction as the opposite of arousal I think a better way of looking at is social hook (attraction) versus sexual hook (arousal). Social of course means she doesn’t want you to leave, but she doesn’t yet want to bang. At sexual hook she does. So simply being higher status on paper could get you attraction, but not arousal. Whereas if you demonstrate status from having girls all over you, that’d probably get her aroused. Demonstrate don’t explicate. He also gives his definition of attraction as… Read more »

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Culum

Chris from GoodLookingLoser…

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Overall I think Mystery Method is more applicable in a wider range of scenarios (day game, first half of the night). ACC (and he hasn’t written an article about the structure of the model yet, but I get the gist) I think is better than MM specifically for the 2nd half of the night like I said in my first post. In another article titled, “Why flash game works”, he says: “We’re taught in the pick-up community first you generate attraction, second build comfort, last seduce, however, this is only good for committed long term relationships. In a loud nightclub,… Read more »

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@hank

“He seems to have more natural game where he just looks for the most receptive girls — that works of course — but with better calibration you could raise your conversion rate a bunch.”

“All of these 4-Fundamentals make it easy to approach the hottest bitchiest girls in the club surrounded by friends and even boyfriends. However, this requires a mindset of persistent, relentless commitment to the interaction and no fear of approaching.”

http://pickupdaily.com/2017/07/25/mindsets-of-game-4-fundamentals-pt-1/

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@IRL, Married men: my wife is visiting. First night, she arrives and I’m going to go out for some stuff and she sweetly asks me to stay. I decide to stay. I escalate, she dresses up on some new underwear she got, and we have hot desire sex (although I didn’t introduce any new moves). She asks me to penetrate her (I was fingering her, Sentient might recall not the first time she basically asks for the D instead of the fingers), then says “I need this so much” when she orgasms. The new underwear she got during and shortly… Read more »

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Non-married guy’s perspective “Then the next 2 days I just get “shit tested” incessantly, nagging style (about the house not being as she likes and stuff like that). I go out for my hobbies/sports both nights which she is unhappy about. I still initiate but get shot down, and I tell her to go to her side of the bed as I don’t feel like cuddling if I’m going to just get hard for nothing” All that shit testing wouldn’t bother me cause I don’t give a shit what she thinks about the way I organize my house. She doesn’t… Read more »

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@J that arousal link reminds me a bit of the infields (nightame) from the paid product of that ‘evolutiondaily’ dude To this day I find it so interesting how different PUA’s and stuff can disagree SO MUCH on almost everything, yet both get results. It makes me think that actually none of it matters. Everyone pushes their own agenda, but neither is really superior. Maybe it’s just a matter of different things being more likely to work on different girls. I still read lots of PUA stuff (such as this blog and forums etc) and take into account everyone’s opinions… Read more »

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@scars

“I still get way intimidated by the hot young ones. Partly because I still feel they’re way out of my league”

1:00 – 3:25
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mm04s65ncYg&t=

“I’m a 5, they’re a 8,9 lookswise”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUqGof_F2h0

“I worry about looking like the creepy old guy hitting on girls!”

what you feel, they feel.

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@j: LOL yes I know some of the things you suggest would work wonders. But it’s my house she is acting bitchy I shouldn’t leave, I should kick her out. But we’re married :/ @Scars: others can comment more on the technical aspects but it is very clear in several parts of your latest post (and in previous ones) you still need to work quite a bit on your “internal game”. You think you don’t deserve them so the girls feel that (usually). They are evolved to be hard to fool on that aspect. You need to keep at it… Read more »

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Scars Women/girls aren’t complicated. When we over think and over analyze everything, it’s us that make situations confusing and harder than they have to be. Remember, pick up works and is useful, and yeah people have different ideas based on experiences. The tendency of late is to point to ” that one guy/god that has all of the answers for YOU, in me very circumstance. Just my opinion, but I think as you experiment and go out hunting, remain aware that billions of men will get laid that same day with zero codified game, and has been so forever. Interaction… Read more »

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Did you pass the shit testing?

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@IAS In your previous history her coin of the realm was hide the vagina. You get with her and she has desire sex with you. She subconsciously realizes the next day: Holy shit I just spent a lot of fucking coin yesterday. I better conserve my money and make him work for it. Then she thinks. Hmm, what’s the first thing on my rolodex of things to do to have power over him? Well I could start with a big shit test. Then I could get him to Communicate more (and show me all of his playing cards in his… Read more »

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“But it’s my house she is acting bitchy I shouldn’t leave, I should kick her out. But we’re married.” Why should you kick her out? I thought you wanted to have sex with her. Commandment of Poon IV: Don’t play by her rules If you allow a woman to make the rules she will resent you with a seething contempt even a rapist cannot inspire. The strongest woman and the most strident feminist wants to be led by, and to submit to, a more powerful man. Polarity is the core of a healthy loving relationship. She does not want the… Read more »

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@Sentient: I guess not, given the results so far. Although there was at least once when she was starting to really annoy me, and then I realized it, and I just started laughing. It would only have been better if she also started laughing.

@SJF: good points in general, thanks.

I know she is upset about visiting and I go out for my sports as I do when she isn’t here, but I should do what I want surely; changing my routine because she is around to appease her doesn’t seem like the right move for that.

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@IAS Day 1: She has an itch and you change your plans to scratch it. It’s basically j’s isolated island sex. Isolation, proximity, arousal, assumed sale. She doesn’t have to work for it (she dresses up to feel sexy, not to submit to you) and you give in. Both think the other one operates in their frame. Wrong. She scores. I bet you didn’t make her beg for the D (and then the O) either. Days 2&3: No itch. The rest is the same situ though. It’s not you who’s the source of her arousal, it’s her biology. She can… Read more »

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Married Man Recovery Mode 101. Whatever you do, don’t get butt-hurt. What would you do if she weren’t there? What if she was potential N=3 and she was showing LMR. Would you show charisma and charm or would you get butt-hurt and not pass shit tests?. She wants to have desire sex, but with someone who is desirable to have sex with. This is key. it’s so easy to just give up on the non-cooperative wife and not seduce her the same as a stranger. Big mistake but easy to make when we let our emotions get in the way… Read more »

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IAS Of course you failed all the tests… By why does she test you after hot sex? Would you show charisma and charm or would you get butt-hurt and not pass shit tests?. She wants to have desire sex, but with someone who is desirable to have sex with. Answer: Because she wants the same alpha guy to be there post sex. The guy she cannot bend to her frame… How does she know you are that guy? Tests… which you pass… It’s nto that you won’t get tested, it’s that she will relish your passing the tests. And in… Read more »

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@Everyone: what if the “tests” are somewhat centered around a transfer of (financial) resources? I mentioned it before but given the relevance I’ll repeat it. Although we are (still) married, over 1 year ago I initiated (and got it) a financial separation. Most of these shit tests are because her value system focuses a lot on clean and tidy house (her mother is like that as well). I don’t care for that. I’m not going to clean my house up to “her standards” when it is fine for me, and I don’t want to pay someone else either (it isn’t… Read more »

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IAS But you guys don’t really think it is about the house being clean or not, right? LOL. Of course not. It’s how you respond/react to her… This issue is just her top of the Rolodex go to move to get you into her frame and confirm your beta status in her eyes. Time apart… He seems aloof, mysterious… dominant perhaps? Get together… he has some swagger? He is what I think/! Hot sex!!! Her hindbrain relishes the moment but…. next day… better test that it GOT the Alpha seed… not the low qual beta seed… Hey you!!! Jump for… Read more »

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Oh… between

Beta seed

and Angry

should be

No Sex!!!

Which is what you got…

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IAS Alllllll this…. even thinking about it!!! Most of these shit tests are because her value system focuses a lot on clean and tidy house (her mother is like that as well). I don’t care for that. I’m not going to clean my house up to “her standards” when it is fine for me, and I don’t want to pay someone else either (it isn’t even expensive, but she can afford it herself if she wants it that much – would cost about as much as a fancy dinner, or the lingerie I offered to pay for her). I clean… Read more »

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How would Jack handle that whole dialogue???

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I should add, now that you have shown some Alpha tendencies, but not consistency, you will be in an epic frame battle until this resolves one way or the other. Buckle on those big boy pants now Hoss!

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If a woman is unreasonably emotional about a ” thing “, you can bet that there’s another ” thing ” actually driving that emotion.

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@Sentient: LOL. Epic frame battle it is, then.

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Time to move from PUA basic seduction to managing a woman…

agree and amplify and flip the script are your go too reactions. Flip the script does NOT mean argue btw. more misdirection…

Her: House… dirty… rawk!!!! Rawk!!!! Bla!!!!

You: Have you seen my socks?

Her: Socks!!! House dirty RAAAAAAAWWWWWWKKKK!!!!

You: You know what your problem is [smiling slyly]

Her: MY problem??? What’s my problem!!!!

Aaaaaannnnd there you have it. Script flipped…. her in your frame…

take it form there… cocky funny seductive, dominant… etc.

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Lol

@IAS
They’re just silly girls going through the day on emotional fumes. You don’t have to address everything they do logically. No need to treat this seriously.

Be playful, redirect and lead.

Try more of this too:
http://l7.alamy.com/zooms/23678cd7c6254c55abc6530e4f193d7f/zirkus-loewendressur-loewe-panthera-leo-circus-lion-dressage-lion-dka4th.jpg

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I’m in a new situation I have no answers for. I met a woman at the club last Saturday: 02/03 I opened her and the group, quickly isolated her and danced. Qualified her a bit. Typical Attraction phase pickup stuff I’m still getting the hang of. After about 30 minutes we are making out, and after about 1.5 hours I decide its time to go for the pull. My commute back to home is about 45 minutes; I was a bit hesitant and uncertain in myself, so I wasn’t willing to make a firm decision on going back to my… Read more »

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@Safespace Everyone makes rookie technical mistakes, but I think this 1/2 tech issues, 1/2 inner game issues. The tech – see girl – walk over – attraction behavior – solve her logistics (social and otherwise) – seed the bounce – build trust – give her plausible deniability – get her home – shoes off – 2 steps forward with the kissing and hands, 1 step back so as to tease her into wanting the fuck shit out of her. You got as far as the attraction behavior. Mentally, you think getting a girl to actually want to fuck you is… Read more »

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@Everyone: quick update. Took me longer to finally get her again (the wife), epic frame battle indeed, but I did get her and when I did it was hot desire sex again.

I’ll maintain a watchful eye on my Frame as the shit tests will continue…

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@IAS She will Frame Battle. You keep your Frame. You don’t Frame battle (because it is unbecoming of you.) There is a difference there. It is not effective for you to battle her because that is try hard, butt-hurt territory right there. I went through this process of frame battling when I went through my Red Pill Reconstruction. What I learned and observed over time was: Over time I kept my Frame and didn’t try to steal her Frame from her. My wife has high self esteem and can keep her own Ultimate Frame and thus, she deserves to keep… Read more »

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Dude, invite her TO your place. to hang out, have a drink…

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Tao of Steve game

“”Dex: Both men and women want to have sex. It’s natural, except we’re on different timetables. Women want to have sex, like, y’know, fifteen minutes after us, so alright, if you hold out for twenty she’ll be chasing you for five.
“”

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@IAS (but also @safespaceplaypen) http://www.girlschase.com/content/frame-control-examples-out-frame-anyone Note this first: “I don’t really even like this term [frame control] all that much myself. I prefer to think of it as just knowing what you want and what you will and won’t tolerate, and going from there” …and then read the whole article. Most people’s frames are emotion cleverly disguised as logic. The majority of men new to the social arts don’t recognize this, and slip up trying to address only the logic… instead of the underlying emotion first, and the logic only second. Lol at the Chris Rock clip: “It’s impossible, you… Read more »

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