For the past three years of The Rational Male there’s been a consistent presence in the comment threads of guys seeking advice for particular situations with regards to Game. Whether it’s fine tuning certain aspects of Game or a larger consensus of the guys participating in my comment threads it’s become obvious there’s a need for a dedicated page and comment thread to address these Field Reports.
So I’m instituting this page for exactly this. If there is some urgency to have members of The Rational Male community analyze your particular situation feel free to hit anyone up in the comments of my current post, but please refer them to your particular field report with a link to your comment here. I’m hoping this will alleviate the mass of posts for field report analysis and Game specific insights piled into the main blog post for any given week.
There will be some rules for this “forum” as such. I ask that you only keep your comments to addressing the field reports at hand and save your larger theoretical stuff for the main posts, or if relevant, keep the “bigger scope of things” posts to being as succinct as possible. There will be no moderation in this comment thread (spamming excepted), so realize it will be a very hot kitchen before you post. I will impose no restrictions on video links here, nor will I limit links to various, but pertinent articles.
Understand, this is an experiment for now. It’s likely this comment thread will exceed thousands of comments. I’ll be instituting new comment plug-ins for wordpress to deal with this in the future, but I may archive this page the the posts and refresh this page in the future as well. If this gets cumbersome I may simply institute a dedicated forum-style sub-site of The Rational Male to accommodate for Game specific questions.
So have at it, post your field reports and feel free to comment on the ones you have some particular insight for. Be forewarned that it’s likely things may get a bit salty at times and I expect a lot of back & forth with debate and disagreements, but that’s what this thread is for – to hash out Game particulars for your given situations.
How to pass the Fitness Test?
a) Be the Guy Who Just Gets It
b) failing that, demonstrate to her that you can handle her shit. And by implications. all the shit there is in the world.
How many of you are monogamous but game other women for soft dread, etc. and how many of you are outright closing occasionally/regularly outside of the marriage? Does you wife know? Does she suspect? I enjoy strange fruit now and then. She doesn’t and she does. Girls love ambiguity… Then you can have everything! Does he? No… he loves only me… Does he? Yes, that fucker!!! Does he? If he does, other girls must want him and I have him… Imagine how she can torture herself as her mood and need for feelz strikes her? This kind of thinking is… Read more »
marelius
Talking about finances with the wife quickly gets over her head, she doesn’t want to hear about it she only wants to spend it “wisely” of course. Some times the best thing a guy can do on these (date night) occasions is game some spontaneity into the mix, keep it light cocky funny.
Really man was it that important to talk about money at that timing?
When she wants you to show her you love her ( overt communication=desperation) she wants that passionate guy that will grab her pussy and fuck it till it breaks.
You will do better with Agree & Amplify, then shifting focus.
Boulderhead
Really man was it that important to talk about money at that timing?
He was fulfilling his part of the bargain… She wouldn’t hide the pussy and he would man up and take care of things. It was a status report.
edit – hen no more tests strike “no”.
thx sent, good stuff
also…. ‘bandaid’
my same thought at the time; it sure as fuck put a pep in my step on getting my shit together
for any lurkers, it’s a good example on how to use anger and hurt as a motivator for change; the trick is to not let the negativity poison you (see antivenin) while it pulls your sled
Marelius Did you read BluePillProfessor’s book? Do you follow along at Married Red Pill Reddit? And read it’s sidebar material? His book was more for low sex marriages, but the dread concepts are still a distilled from manosphere praxeology paradigms. You have it better off because desire sex is there now. Valentines day, you were not picking up on her subcommunication and then she had to go overt. When she went overt she really meant it: She was dying to fuck you before dinner and you were holding out on her. Give the cat a bone. You were being a… Read more »
http://newworldeconomics.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/kimono2.jpg
“Do you think those guys are done talking about currencies yet?”
“I think they’re talking about street width now.”
“This is the most boring party ever.”
@Marelius,
Read what @Sentient wrote several times and let it sink in, because he nailed it.
There are multiple failures at many levels but your biggest is trying to reason with feelz. Only a BP beta fool who doesn’t “get it” attempts to reason with feelz. The more you “didn’t get it”, the further she escalated.
Next failure? Women want the rollercoaster. If you’re not providing them with drama & feelz, then they will invent their own and it will be the type you don’t want… and she did exactly that.
Wife: I need you to let me know that you love me. Me: I cannot make you know that. I can only tell you that I do. It is within in you to believe or not to. It is your choice. boulderhead: “When she wants you to show her you love her ( overt communication=desperation) she wants that passionate guy that will grab her pussy and fuck it till it breaks.” My opinion also is the the proper thing to do is just fuck her silly at that point too. Assuming you had the energy. That is demonstrating that you… Read more »
Sentient that’s no excuse, you can talk about money any time. Are you adopting this marelius if so I will leave you to it.
Scene 1 – The Living Room: Made reservations a few weeks ago for dinner tonight. Come home from work and pick up a conversation about financial security and some research I said I would do. She has lifelong money issues and always gets upset when we discuss financial matters. This time is no exception. While catching her up with all the analysis and what the next steps need to be, her facial expression gets more and more stern. By the time I’m done, she appears to be very angry, so I call her on it. Me: Why do you look… Read more »
Hi Marelius, Right there with you over a year back. Nothing to add really to Sentient’s, excellent as always, breakdown. You’ve got a good start. Those little “show me, tell me you love me” comfort tests are best dealt with action, never logic, or thinking words. That communication response is a fail as you are reacting, not leading. You spin a nice story for her…use that to your advantage…but leave it more open ended, more mystical and she’ll fill in the blanks. That moon and stars stuff is good and I’ve a lot of good moments using them….as long as… Read more »
“How many of you are monogamous but game other women for soft dread, etc”
At some point you stop “time to dread” stuff and be a ZFG version of yourself she doesn’t recognize. Work on yourself, try not to think about it too much but stay on course. Her hindbrain knows when your out of reach and she’ll chase THAT GUY to the ends of the earth.
I remember it well…
Boulderhead I think you’ve misunderstood my point. It’s not about talking about money, it’s about negotiated desire and BP concepts of quid pro quo. And Beta tendency to feel valued by their service. Marelius She strips, gets up to pee. I strip. She gets back in bed and we begin kissing. Then… Wife: I need you to let me know that you love me. Me: I cannot make you know that. I can only tell you that I do. It is within in you to believe or not to. It is your choice. Me: Shhhhhhhh.. Not sexy. [progress to fuckfest]… Read more »
Lastly, At any point she gives you an opening to fuck her, you fuck her. She wants negotiation, fuck no. This is a one way extraction of lustful pleasure. Take her hand to bedroom, in the laundry room, atop the kitchen island, use all your digits, every oriface. No words, no smiles, no comfort, no Beta, serious as a heart attack. You fuck her for YOUR pleasure. This all is not about her. This is about smashing that insecurity that got you in this fix. Convince yourself of your value, she’ll follow along happily in and out of the bedroom…only… Read more »
“At some point you stop “time to dread” stuff and be a ZFG version of yourself she doesn’t recognize. Work on yourself, try not to think about it too much but stay on course. Her hindbrain knows when your out of reach and she’ll chase THAT GUY to the ends of the earth. I remember it well… Me too. She’s not there yet but I’m still aiming further and higher with that as the goal. Her hindbrain isn’t chasing THAT GUY, but I’m pretty much THAT GUY with Frame and ZFG for myself. She’s invited to come along. @Marelius Read… Read more »
Boulder – Sentient pretty much described that accurately. Taking back the finances after a decade of abdicating them, and other things, is my responsibility. It was a status report, which is a key part of sober captaining. Not looking for validation, just keeping her “in the know”. Sentient, et al Thanks for the honest critique. Before I moved back in, I was much more closely aligned with those behaviors. One of the reasons for posting today was because I have felt some of the progress slipping away. The desire sex is easy to get now, but the shit tests are… Read more »
@Marelius
I would strongly recommend reading BluePillProfessor’s book. It has lots of rich detail in it and it was sourced from a lot of great manophere writing. (hell, he cites 279 references from the manosphere writings.)
Especially because you already have dread.
I base this recommendation on your Valentines Day field report. You got 80% of the dread game down and your wife benefits from this. She is better off. The other 20% would fill in the blanks for you. It’s a process and a script that works as a praxeology.
SJF Even though you got into conflict and argued, it still gives me the impression that you had some lingering covert contract type of expectations going on there. I can see how this is the impression I gave you guys, but that is not the case. I have spent many many hours on the NMMNG book, and working the covert contracts out of my thinking, since it was probably my worst trait. We have had open dialog about my (and her) use of covert contracts and I have told her outright that I will always tell her what I want,… Read more »
“We have had open dialog about my (and her) use of covert contracts ”
YOU had an open dialogue….and continue.
SHE uses covert contracts….and continues.
The means is the message. You’ve got a great start to a great relationship if you address the “covert contract type of expectations going on there.”
Oh, don’t take this patronizingly…
You gotta be covert. Just stop overt until you’re better at overt.
marelius I don’t talk finances with the wife, she doesn’t get it, she is bad at it (logical thinking) and takes it as a personal lecture directed at her no matter how it is presented. Maybe your wife is different IDK, still the point is it didn’t work for you yesterday, better luck next time. Our youngest girl 23 moved back home temporarily so there have been some privacy issues as of late. About a week back I suggested we go get a room, wifey wanted to get one for valentines day and we made arrangements for a suite tuesday… Read more »
“Boulderhead
I think you’ve misunderstood my point. It’s not about talking about money, it’s about negotiated desire and BP concepts of quid pro quo. And Beta tendency to feel valued by their service.”
“Boulder – Sentient pretty much described that accurately.”
So basically she was standing there wanting to fuck, while you were trying to negotiate sex by acting like her accountant and wondering why she looked mad and didn’t value your superior service.
No wonder I didn’t get it.
Marriage game… Yikes.
Boulder
I was not thinking about sex at all. I was thinking about the increased likelihood of an early retirement from a job I despise, while being financially secure for the rest of my life. Sex on my terms on my demand is pretty much a given at this point. I figured we’d fuck after dinner. I was right.
As i said already, no covert contracts going on. You’ll just have to take me at my word on this.
So I know I am generating genuine desire and can have sex on my terms, whenever I want, which was my biggest single objective for the LTR after discovering RP. That is because I have been relatively effective at regaining frame control and playing dread game. But I also know I need to be able to become completely effective at maintaining frame at all times, to be the oak to her willow, if this is going to work long term. That is the help I am seeking. Thanks for the contributions guys. As for the pejorative slights that happen now… Read more »
Spell check sux
@marelius Sentient nailed what needed to be nailed (and I’m not even a married guy), but I wanted to add to something you raised (also dr zipper mentioned it I think) – about how to satisfy a comfort test and distinguish between that and a shit test, and how to give comfort when it is needed without effectively complying with her demands and falling into her frame. I have no direct experience but I do remember Sentient (or maybe it was HABD) telling some other married guy something along the lines of how most things you think are comfort tests… Read more »
Culum
Yes that was it. I’m more in the camp these days that even that is a fitness test…
Evolving…
“Marriage game… Yikes.”
So said Chris Rock in his new comedy one hour stint on Netflix called “Tamborine”.
The first thirty minutes are shit, that last half hour was interesting comedy with my wife chuckling over the truth bombs about female manipulation and the FI having Hand over the husband in marriage.
It’s funny and piercing with red pill lenses at the end. Slightly try hard for laughs. Worth watching for the drama. Oh, the drama.
Put having a podcast with Jordan Peterson on hold. Do one with a round table with Chris Rock, Rollo, Rian Stone and BlacklabelLogic and Anthony @21 convention studios. P.S. invite Blaximus too.
https://twitter.com/MichaelTelanoff/status/964341677270876160
Wife update… As I mentioned, I managed to turn things around, and in the turnaround day she was cold in the morning, I told her I’m going out you are free to join, she joined, had fun… We got back and banged, then again in the night (twice in a day is rare). Shit testing again on Valentine’s day she tried to Frame Battle, I wasn’t interested, she sabotaged my plans (which included watching a movie), I went to bed early, she complained we didn’t even watch a movie and joined me in bed. No bang. Tell her to uncover… Read more »
ESG Update: I’m going to meet up with ESG, which I converted into FWB status about a month ago. On the ramp up I gave her the gift of missing me by dialing back on the communication a bit but not entirely. My wife was around – although I didn’t tell ESG, she may suspect. Anyway already last month after the fun she expressed not regret, but guilt (although that didn’t stop her from making out the rest of the day)… And she mentioned this explicitly at the end of her last e-mail – she doesn’t regret it, but she… Read more »
IAS
Her “guilt” is the same shit as Marelius’ “i need to feel loved”…
She brings it up just say ” the heart wants what it wants” and another “life is short and unpleasant, one needs to enjoy happy moments as they find them”. Another is “I’m a man who takes what he wants. No regrets.”
It’s just a shit test… And it WILL happen.
IAS
““That was a good massage… I don’t know who you been practicing on”. ”
This.
Nice… She is loving the game… Imagine her delight… To find and Alpha in beta clothing! Keep it up.
On The Rhythm Method. You what they call people who practice it?
Parents…
But really it is an unatural pause to strap on on condom in the midst of things.
@IAS I want to be ready to address “guilt” if she brings it up again. Suggestions? You mean what to do when she complains about the mess at your place? Or that she doesn’t feel you love her? Or… oh wait… that’s not this girl and not this test… LOL Sentient covered it, so I’ll just add this bit: There are two mechanisms/goals you (and @marelius) are trying to satisfy at the same time (hence the struggle): (1) to become your own mental point of origin, and (2) to address her needs. But (2) not coming from solid (1) is… Read more »
WestIndianArchie
February 15, 2018 at 2:34 pm
Marriage game… Yikes.
What?
https://youtu.be/-jaqBRsTQgI
Sorry, I should’ve posted a disclaimer. My last comment was for comedic relief. It’s not a signal. Just more peripheral noise.
Married life with a good
bitchgirl is security with a lot of fucking adventure. And fun as hell. One man’s built foundation is key to that. Me personally, security comes first, adventure comes second. I’ve not been disappointed in either. Free to roam because of foundational tenets and established security.LR Took home one of the hottest girls in the club last night. gonna skip most of the actual seduction cause its nothing special. (there were two guys talking to her and her friend but I ignored them and focused on her and they left) I might try to record my infields like one of my wing does to maybe learn something about my verbal game cause I can not for the life of me remember what the hell I talk about lol. (only thing that comes to mind right now is during the attraction phase is that she mentioned… Read more »
oh yea she didn’t have her keys to the apartment either so that’s why I climbed the emergency stairs lol
j – great stories of the end results, you’re killing it; I think you’ve mentioned not being a natural, but had to learn and work at it
I’m sure there’s an audience for any stories from that journey
J
So wait a sec… Why didn’t you bail at 11pm after “gaming” for 1.5 hours?
Alright lets see. My story with women. I’ve mentioned in the past that I’m above average in looks. So that got me looks from girls throughout my years in school from a couple of girls. but once they found out that the reason I didn’t talk to any of them wasn’t because I was this cool mysterious guy and that I was just fucking shy they stopped showing interest in me and gave their interest to the naturals. I didn’t have many friends. Even though I looked like a guy that should hang out with the cooler kids. There were… Read more »
J
Wait you went out all the time and worked at it? You didn’t sit in your room and kj and make excuses?
Whoa…
@SJF seen everything Rock has done, except this latest special.
As Yareally was fond of saying, monogamous long term relationship is playing with two hands tied behind your back.
Constant self improving, but not self directed
Constant monitoring of her feelings and actions
Constantly counteracting or dealing out dread and competition anxiety
For a chick with decreasing attractiveness and questionable loyalty….to what end?
Not losing half of your assets, a good relationship with “her” children?
Comedians have mined the hellhole of marriage since marriage
Archie
“Constant self improving, but not self directed
Constant monitoring of her feelings and actions
Constantly counteracting or dealing out dread and competition anxiety”
Yareally was kjing… You CAN do the above. You WILL do the above as you learn how to handle women. But at the end of the day ALL of the above can merely flow from you doing you. No effort. Same as getting good at gaming single girls.
Just wanted to say: Came across the comment that “When you just discovered a hammer, remember not everything is a nail” struck home and just in time. Dread is a blunt instrument, indeed. Thank you whoever wrote that. I approached a cashier and opened her with a compliment about her lipstick. She was pleased. Then the neg: “Say it like you mean it” She laughs, small pause and then “like with your number”. She was turned on, but noncommittal. So I lean in and say, “let me check” (I was actually checking for a ring). I have never gotten so… Read more »
The whole idea that somehow ” marriage ” entails worry and stress and always operating in the woman’s frame is the same as thinking guys need to be ” nice ” and ” agreeable ” and ” romantic ” to be able to get with females.
It’s a popular and widespread notion that’s bass akwards and totally misguided. It’s a mirage that obscures facts and truth.
Don’t get married ever, but don’t make choices based on failures of those that are just winging it.
@ j
Good reading. Thank you , as always, for sharing.
… But I’m still gonna talk shit about Rsd from time to time. Lol.
Githyanki “Was she qualifying at that moment or testing?” Survey says… Both! Fun interactions. When you roll like this all the time it gets really natural and girls love it. Similar set up earlier. Walking in the park there is this MMA school doing a demo, forming a circle. Cute mid 20s girl with a solid bod on the path waving people around the demo. I go up to her and say what’s going on? She says demo walk around. I ask if she is any good, she was wearing a belt. She says yeah and make a pose. I… Read more »
Shitty Sat night out – FR. I don’t know what I’m doing wrong guys. Or why I can’t do it. I don’t know. Literally one of the worst nights in a long time. Like why did I waste $30 and go out? I could have sat at home and jerked off for all the good it did. Went solo to the kiddie club (though the crowd was a bit more age mixed than usual – they had a different promoter). Wanted to focus on showing intent and being entitled. I know I can hang around at the bar and keep… Read more »
Culum So want to punch you. 😠 Do you enjoy feeling this way? Serious question. Most gamblers play to lose. On tech – So what did you do with girls in the fourteen or so hours before 11:30? Stop compartmentalizing. Stop Blitz Week mentality. Stop Big City/Small Town. There is no Game On /Game Off. Be a sexy beast 24/7. Then you’ll relax into it and BE. As to the seven invites and opens by the girl… Seven. Dear Zeus!!! Get your hands on her… Get them on her. That is entitlement. For you just high five her. Low risk… Read more »
@Culum Struan Stop compartmentalizing. Stop Blitz Week mentality. Stop Big City/Small Town. There is no Game On /Game Off. Be a sexy beast 24/7. Then you’ll relax into it and BE. Nick Krauser deals with your the state on the plateau you find yourself in. It is the very last chapter of Daygame Mastery: Special Situations SS3: CARE AND MAINTENANCE Goal: Continue to improve your game and your life If you aren’t upgrading your quality of girls or reducing your work-rate then your game is plateauing. I know a lot about plateauing because I have a lot of reference experiences… Read more »
@Sentient
You value that is at the end of that rainbow, I do not.
Archie
Not sure what you mean?
“Get your hands on her… Get them on her. That is entitlement. You will build state off of the positive feedback of touch and proximity. Which will give you permission to relax into it.” What’s the opposite of entitlement? The lack of self-acceptance resulting from low self-esteem. Krauser–Phase: Vibe STAGE 1.3: APPROACH ANXIETY Goal: Reduce the emotional cost of opening to zero Mystery was wrong. Approach anxiety does not come from a hard-wired evolutionary fear of having your head bashed in for hitting on the tribal leader’s girl, nor does it come from the fear of sexual exclusion if word… Read more »
@Culum “there are still lots of girls and more arriving all the time. Had some opportunities to open girls in the line to get in but didn’t, because I was focussed just on Hands.” No. Go talk to girls. “chill out on a kind of balcony overlooking the main dance floor” No. Go talk to people. You need to get out of your head and build social momentum “One other guy does and they have a polite chat before he moves off.” Don’t just stand there. Go open them. “Wow why were you guys so mean to that guy? Was… Read more »
Strange night last night. It gave me a rare confidence boost because, for some reason, I was getting a number of IOI’s and stuff from girls. This never happens to me. Not sure why this was. The downside is that I was still unable to capitalise on these initially somewhat interested girls. I tried my best, but I just couldn’t keep their interest I guess. Or maybe I showed too much intent? Or maybe not enough? I have no idea. Either way, I went home empty handed. Me and my friend saw a blonde 9-10 sitting in a quiet area… Read more »
@ CuIum: i am due for some attitude adjustment. I seem to have it easy within the limits of my game, compared to that. That was a challenging night. Personally, if 3 people blow off my opening, I go home and do other things. On the other hand our clubs are not for 1500 people, and it is easy to get a rep as a creep. Only observation I can make is that your emotional state needs to be right to enjoy the game. Ultimately: you simply froze. It happens to the best of us. Man, just good luck. But… Read more »
@scars: Personally if I get a vibe that is off, I go with it. You have to trust your gut in the moment, because things happen fast. Illimitable Man mentions the Beige Phillips show and the rules of combat.
The relevant one simply says roughly that if your balls tingle, you are about to get kicked there. Leave
See here:
https://illimitablemen.com/understanding-the-red-pill/game/
@scars “she announced that I probably have a small dick!!” girls only shit test guys they wanna fuck “my cousins hot friend is near me again.” preselection from punk girl “the cute friend put her mouth very close to mine as if to kiss me. But AGAIN, I got the same ‘vibe’ ea earlier, that it was more for the benefit of my cousin. That , combined with the fact that I don’t think it’s great to kiss girls in front of their friends (can make it harder to actually pull) plus I really felt that i’d get rejected if… Read more »
@Culum: I’ll be perfectly honest. I laughed. LOL. Each of the blatantly obvious Approach Invites made me laugh (even the friends were helping instead of cockblocking). You idiot! LOL. You are perfectly capable Culum. So I suspect some other underlying issue either in general or with that particular girl. Maybe she wasn’t your type and just a 6? Don’t know. @Scars: Good job, still clear you need to work on your inner game and believe you are the prize much more. Technique-wise, J is on the money. You need to isolate the girls. Also the one the friend cockblocked you… Read more »
LR, ESG: Arranged great logistics (hotel), and she is meeting me for hiking. Regular greeting, frontal hug, cheek kiss when she arrives. During restaurant I DHV when a group of foreigners (mid-twenties HB6 or so girl plus family visiting her) arrives, and after they are seated, engage me due to something funny (and mildly sexual) I showed her, I cold read their country and so on. Finish lunch, head out and she dodges a bit my kiss on the lips first time “No…” but I just look at her and she doesn’t dodge the second one 😉 Go to my… Read more »
@IAS
“I’m kind of tempted to ask her but I worry about this being Beta… What do you guys think?”
nah. worrying about it being beta is beta. but honestly don’t even worry if she came or not because “the highest pleasure for a woman is to be used by a man for his own pleasure”
https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/6q2tbc/having_sex_with_a_female_human_focus_on_your/
@Culum Are you trying to summon HABD? I’m expecting nothing less than a solid hit… lol I don’t know what I’m doing wrong guys. Or why I can’t do it. I don’t know. I think you do. You don’t believe you are enough because you’re cheating somewhere. What is it, Culum? Where in your life are you stuck and not going for more? Don’t be a slacker. (Nb. I use my wife’s female sense to detect that I’m slacking off – i.e. shit testing increases – but it correlates nicely with my own sense of dissatisfaction and/or time-wasting, so just… Read more »
Lol
Something that has been bothering me about pickup is the venues that I go to every week to maximize my learning and getting laid. I’m at a point where, with the city I live, I am familiar with what places are good and what are not. There are certain locations I love going to – that I genuinely enjoy and where I’m always chatting to some chick – and there are places that are always a total drag. How do you guys organize what venues you visit every week? Right now I go out three nights a week, specifically Thursday,… Read more »
Also, with that chick I took out, made out with, sucked her giant tits, and who bailed at the last minute causing me to have blue balls from Hell – She didn’t want to hang out with me at all this weekend. She said she was moving to another place and was too “busy” to hang out. I’m guessing I made her feel like a slut or she’s afraid I’ll pump her and dump her. I don’t know what. But I will hit her up again this week to see if I can’t get her out another time.
@WIArchie As Yareally was fond of saying, monogamous long term relationship is playing with two hands tied behind your back. Constant self improving, but not self directed Constant monitoring of her feelings and actions Constantly counteracting or dealing out dread and competition anxiety Hold on. It’s like saying why drive a car when it requires constant focus on the steering wheel, gears and pedals, monitoring of how far you are from other objects, at a high speed, with all the signs, rules and regulations in mind, constantly worrying that something can break and that someone may steal it… Lol, I’m… Read more »
Reason= ” I don’t want to ” or ” I want to “. Excuses = fear, lack of knowledge or understanding, lack of. Competence.
Don’t make excuses. They are usually shit.
Is it that some men just can’t grasp certain concepts at all? Seriously? I mean, wtf. A guy can go from being scared shitless of women, a hapless virgin. An incel or whatever, and other men around him will be able to teach that man pua, and all involved will just ” get it “. Well fuck, why not astrophysics then? Why the disconnect? Why are some able to ” unlearn ” bad and false beliefs, but hold on with both hands to others? @ Yareally Bro, for the love of God, if you are out there reading in silence,… Read more »
@IRL/Sentient I’ve been in the game as long as both of those dudes, Chase and Ya. And I’m not gonna knock Ya at all. His tech game was great, and he really understood feminine psychology. He was flexible when he needed to be flexible, and rigid when he needed to be. I spotted no weaknesses in his style with respect to pulling chicks and maintaining a harem. That being said – the time when i wanted a “high notch count”, or a “harem of 10’s” or whatever is over. The value of pussy has declined for me personally, and the… Read more »
@J – yeah, I guess isolation would have been a fairly obvious move, and I guess sexualising the conversation somehow (not found a smooth way to do this yet) aswell, but it’s hard to explain how ‘off’ it felt compared to other interactions which is maybe why I didn’t do them things in the moment. I’ve been thinking about that particular interaction a fair bit, as i’m annoyed at myself for missing a rare shot. I’m wondering if the shit tests were because she was almost annoyed at me for not getting sexual enough with her? Making her feel like… Read more »
“How do you guys organize what venues you visit every week” I go out at least once a week. Most weeks I’ll go out Friday and Saturday and sometimes I’ll go out Thurs/Fri/Sat. Thursdays are hit or miss. I’ve got laid plenty of times on Thursdays but There’s like only one good venue that I go to. CH was a fan of Thursdays: https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2007/09/25/thursdays-rule/ Can’t link it (lol) but in his latest clip, RSD Jeffy said that, “50% of his SNLs come from a random Tuesday night” Starting at 13 minutes in. Go to the venues that have your type… Read more »
@WIA It’s not a question of “how to keep a woman” – but rather WHY? What are these wives/long term relationship bringing into your life? What makes internalizing these new skills worth it? I’ll try to make a brief comment about that. First of all the premise of your argument is misleading. And this has led to a lot of back and forth and talking through others in arguments. The premise isn’t that a man should seek to arrange a long term relationship because it is valuable. (as a paradigm) The answer to what these wives/LTR’s bringing into a man’s… Read more »
For the record I have a cat, dog, bird and dozens of fish. No man ever needs any kind of ltr. I’m more interested in the reasoning behind those desicions. I have always stated that any and all self improvement is for self, and the benefits should be apparent and transferrable across the whole of a dude’s life – making his life better and more enjoyable and less stressful. Dealing with people, men or women, is a huge part of that. The example of having an alpha boss is a good one. So your boss is ” alpha “. So… Read more »
Archie And I’m not gonna knock Ya at all. His tech game was great, and he really understood feminine psychology. He was flexible when he needed to be flexible, and rigid when he needed to be. I spotted no weaknesses in his style with respect to pulling chicks and maintaining a harem. Agree. Also fair to say he had no experience cohabitating with women or being married and was frankly terrified of the “legal consequences” of the latter. So listening to him on those topics is like listening to Hank on getting laid. This “Red Pill Awareness” basically kicked in… Read more »
Safespaceplaypen J Go to the venues that have your type of girl and good logistics. If that means going to the same area every weekend. … a lot of girls tend to go to the same bars every weekend too, so maybe one of them will see you making out with one chick one weekend, and next week she’ll stand next to you to approach her. Hell she might even open you! Used to go to one club all the time. One day walking down the street, in the daytime these two girls come over to me with “OMG!!! You’re… Read more »
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She’s concerned with his scrawny little ass…
He’s concerned with…
https://twitter.com/NASCAR/status/965601893442453505
Burden remains… focus is what though?
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Sentient Danny Sullivan made a comment 30+ years ago that sticks with me to this very day, when asked about driving at Indy… Or some race/track.. Been decades and I’m ” old “. Sullivan said ” going into turn #1 is like driving down a hall @ 200 mph and turning I to a closet..” That shit tattooed on my brain because cart drivers do it all the time without breaking a sweat. Now we can listen to them talking while driving, and there’s no panic or stress evident in their voices/tone. Yet every one of them started out life… Read more »
“I could go down the various categories – at the end of the day – it’s managing an employee with a mind of her own. You’re paying her, but what’s your return?” As an aside, I’m my own boss and manage nine employees, all of which are women in close quarters constantly dealing with one patient after another in a service industry. These employees are all AWALT and all have minds of their own. What I get out of them is duty and service and revenue. And most of the time I herd these cats in a harmonious fashion. But… Read more »
@Sentient and J
Yeah. fuck it. I’m just going to go to the same clubs each week. It’s simpler that way. And I will just tip heavy and make friends with the bouncers as much as possible.
I’ve gotten to the point where there are certain barriers to my game – specifically not self-ejecting and closing hard – that are holding me back big league and I’ve had so many near misses it’s driving me nuts lol. So I don’t want to waste my time going to shit venues.
I have huge issues with venues. I have mental blocks about “spending money” for girls… So I find it distasteful to go to places with entry fees. And then there are the places that you may be barred entrance because you aren’t in a group with more ladies than men, etc.
Last time I tried to go to a club (in December) I didn’t get in.
@IAS You gotta do what you gotta do I suppose. Sometimes that involves paying a little money. My big pickup dream, after mastering the basics and having a main and 2 or 3 sides, is that i want to head out on Fridays or Saturdays with 2 or 3 chicks i’ve slept with or know, and enter those tough to enter places with no problem, then pickup super uber honey’s with preselection. I’ve never been barred entry though because every place I know in the city doesn’t exclude people unless they dress like shit. But I hear spots in New… Read more »
@Culum wtf!… gotta a tingle in the force…lol Shitty Sat night out – FR. I don’t know what I’m doing wrong guys. Or why I can’t do it. I don’t know. Wanted to focus on showing intent and being entitled. Had some opportunities to open girls in the line to get in but didn’t, because I was focussed just on Hands. Beside me on the balcony area is a group of 4 HB6s – late 20s..clearly approachable and looking to have a good night and all pretty enough. I don’t approach. I noticed the Approach Invite *immediately*. I do nothing.… Read more »
@Rollo
got one stuck in mod… forgot about the link limit again…
https://youtu.be/-OVHnWyDmdw
Does not have to be your archetype. But it’s a thought,,, And…Thinking of Fleezer…. God love you, man. Crushed your Face doesn’t actually compute for me, but I can move towards that. Stranglehold Ted Nugent Here I come again now baby Like a dog in heat Tell it’s me by the clamor now baby I like to tap the streets Now I’ve been smoking for so long You know I’m here to stay Got you in a stranglehold baby You best get out of the way The road I cruise is a bitch now baby You know you can’t turn… Read more »
https://youtu.be/J8N739hJHu0
Here’s for you all DPA guys over a certain graph age that are DPA. Fucking go for your purpose and passion:
https://youtu.be/Zk4eQTVNTaw
@Culum
i been thinking about your situ some more…
everybody loses their way at some point, just have to get back on the path and keep going… especially since the the FI is cunning and pervasive…
did you ever actually do that 400 opens in a weekend exercise? that might be a good place to step back onto the path…
good luck!
@Culum i stayed up waaay tooo late last night thinking about your situ…lol found this… which still seems relevant… https://therationalmale.com/field-reports-comment-page-2-comments/comment-page-4/#comment-186630 and i STILL think you are doing great… all things considered… the main thing i figured out is that you need to NEVER again use the term ‘blitz’…lol…but not kidding… not the term… not the concept… not the intent… do not think it… do not say it… do not write it… you CAN go to the city for: a vacation… some recreation… to have fun… to meet new people… to get a coffee… etc… but NOT to do a ‘blitz’…… Read more »
Why do Ltr?
Read to the end 4 the punchline
Mrs gamer gave me kids & helped raise them
Mrs gamer helped nurse mom gamer 4 a year daily when mom gamer was dying of cancer
I get my sexual needs met & don’t need condoms &enjoy sex with mrs gamer
Mrs gamer is sometimes fwb & sometimes fb
Mrs gamer does housework
Mrs gamer is a good cook
Mrs gamer handles the bills
Mrs gamer earns the fucking money!!!
Approach the 9s and 10s tonight boys. No rationalizations. Once you feel that fear. That you think you are somehow inferior to them. Use it. Use that fear to push you forward. Get up in their grill. 100% Zero Fucks Given.
Pregame shit
So, guys. Thank you for all the posts and support about last week’s shitty night. It means a lot to me. I read and appreciated all of them but I told myself I wasn’t going to post again until I had taken some action to move forward and actually applied your advice instead of engaging in more mental masturbation about what is wrong. Now I have taken action so I’m posting, but perhaps not the kind of action I wanted. I remember a HABD post once – something about “The FI has been getting in some body blows but I’ve… Read more »
@HABD – LOL just saw your last post about banning the “B” word. Sentient said something similar upthread too. DONE. Never again using it. Especially since I can’t really be doing anything from the jail cell I get thrown in for sexual assault. Kidding. But still a bit worried. Thinking more about what you both said on the “B” word..it feels like it manifests in a lot of self-pressure and guilt – like: “Oh god, I only have [x] weeks this time..I *have* make progress – I HAVE to do something – can’t waste any time – I’ve sacrificed so… Read more »
@Culum “but with going out to do cold approach it’s like “okay, this is hard work and high pressure but I *have* to do it..let’s strap on the armour and go out to battle and I will force myself into some opens, mixed in with dread because I’ve failed at this so many times and it feels like the odds are I’ll just fail again”” Do you really like online dating because you “enjoy feminine energy” or is it because it’s easier to bang 6s that pass your boner test (and whoever says “pussy is all the same” SHUT THE… Read more »