The Unbearable Rightness of Being Female

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The following post quote has been making the rounds in professional circles. It’s from Sallie Krawcheck, CEO of Ellevest, an investment firm dedicated to helping women with financial investment (no jargon, no ‘playing’ stocks for sport, no mansplaining, you got this). She’s also the “chair” of Elevate Network, a global professional women’s network. I’m adding this here to make a later point, but it’s important to understand how normalized it’s become for women to create a sexually exclusionary organization for women who will simultaneously complain about men’s sexism for not accommodating their (presumably successful) business culture to the interests of women. More on that later.

I thought I’d riff on this click-bait for, I assume, professional women because I expect we’ll see more of this prefabricated outrage in the coming years as a response to what will undoubtedly be the suffering of the Trump era in America. I’ll be the first to admit I was surprised by Trump’s win, but the denial of the First Female President® into the White House will be the cause du jour for every jilted woman who believes she’s a “professional”. Even if Clinton had won the mainstream would’ve been inundated with how ‘we still have a long way to go’ stories, however, with Trump in the Presidency the same tired narrative of systemic male sexism will get reinvigorated in the coming years.

From, A Letter to young women, in the age of Trump:

When I was your age, I thought it was over. My mother was a feminist, so I wanted to call myself anything but a feminist. And anyway, I seemed pretty welcome at work. Even though it was Wall Street, my analyst class was about a third women. We weren’t just on our way — we’d arrived.

But then…there were the inappropriate pictures left on my desk. The guy miming a sex act when my back was turned. I wasn’t given the great assignments; the more senior woman I worked with was likewise dismissed as “lightweight” (and, lest you think that might have been true, that woman was Safra Catz, now the co-President of Oracle). Then the women started to fall away in their 30s…more in their 40s. But the worst of it, I thought was over.

And now Trump has made it clear to everyone that the battle for us women is not over.

In femopshere there will always be an ‘us’. As I’ve outline in many prior essays, the Sisterhood will always take precedence above religion, politics, personal conviction and even family affiliations for women. Largely this is due to women’s evolved propensity for collectivism among their own sex. In our hunter gatherer beginnings women had an interdependent need for collective support for keeping tribal cohesion as well as child rearing.

This intrasexual collective support has carried over into what’s become the Sisterhood today. If you look at the interactions of young girls and their social group interdependence you begin to see that nascent tribal collectivism naturally come through. In terms of larger societal scope this collectivity becomes about acknowledging a shared experience of an imagined oppression by men. Between all women there is a gestalt understanding of “the plight of women” and a presumption of an endemic sexism no matter how culturally or socioeconomically dissimilar those women are.

As I mentioned, Trump is now a universal icon of that presumption of sexism and oppression. Granted, it could’ve been any man who displaced a woman in the history books, but the fall back presumption is that whoever ‘he’ is, he becomes emblematic of a ready narrative of sexism irrespective of merit. We presume sexism, we presume a guy would mime a sex act behind a woman’s back and leave ‘inappropriate’ pictures on a woman’s desk despite decades of workplace harassment legislation. We believe it because it sounds right; it sounds like something a typical sexist guy would do.

I can’t stop thinking about this and what we can / should do:

Remember that gender bias in the workplace is not a thing of the past. I’m sorry if I didn’t act when I should have. I thought we had left sexism behind us by the time I was in more senior roles. After all, we had complaint hotlines and diversity plans and requirements for diverse slates of candidates for every job. But now I’m remembering one of the members of the senior leadership team who would kiss younger women on the cheek at the beginning of meetings. Creepy, right? I now wonder what was being said when I wasn’t in that room.

What’s creepy is that in spite of years in a professional field that’s been the domain of men she’s just now remembering this fact. Would it have been less creepy if he’d kissed only his age-appropriate women on his leadership team? Professional women’s default presumption is that it is always sexism that is holding them back from breaking through a mythologized ‘glass ceiling’, but as is women’s solipsism, their first thought is that their problems are caused by externalities. Never is there an insight that they may simply lack the skills or that they don’t perform at their peak in a job they were told should be rewarding to them.

Gender biases will never be a thing of the past because to suggest they ever might be so is to presume a default state of egalitarian equality between the sexes. The gender biases in the workplace are most evident in the peer selection and peer evaluations of women – not some secret group of guys getting together in a private office room to expressly talk about a their co-workers’ tits.

As it stands in today’s modern office men are scared shitless every time they are called to cooperate with a woman on work projects for fear of being accused of sexism or harassment:

“In a lawsuit-happy culture, where claims can be made on a ‘he said/she said’ basis, men are now trying to ensure their actions are always covered by a third party witness”

“The terror of being accused of sexual harassment is now so common it has its own term, ‘backlash stress”

There’s a reason HR departments are largely staffed by women, because they want to be positioned in a way that they can execute policy. HR departments no longer exist to serve the company with regards to employees, rather they exist in order to protect that company from lawsuits and enforce feminine-primary conditions in the workplace.

Ask tough questions, and call the guys out when necessary. I recently asked my best guy friend: “Do guys really talk like Donald Trump and Billy Bush behind closed doors?” His response: “No, but…” And the “but” was that the conversations are more along the lines of: “Boy, she has great legs,” or “she’s a looker” or “Whew. Wouldn’t touch her with a ten-foot pole.” When I asked him how he responded to this, he said he didn’t say anything; after all, he has to work with these folks.

But so do we. And breaking us down to our body parts or our appearance dehumanizes us in some way. Maybe it’s only in some small way. But it’s clear that for some years, we (and by we, I mean I) were likely too complacent about the inevitability of gender progress in the workplace and relaxed perhaps just a bit too much.

It’s funny and irreverent when all the girls in the office get together for drinks or a male revue strip show after work, but it’s dehumanizing when men do the same. I’ve known very few men who would ever comment on a woman’s anatomy in a workplace environment. I have known men who would scold other men for staring a little too long at a female co-worker. I have known women to actively flirt with guys and wear inappropriate outfits to get attention from them. I’ve known women who’ve called me and other men I’ve worked with their “work husbands”.

I’ve worked in the liquor and casino promotion businesses for two decades now. I see some pretty wild behavior on the part of women who are not unlike the poor victimized dears Krawcheck describes going to work on Monday mornings.

The modern workplace culture has conditioned men for fear of women thanks largely to strict codes of conduct, but also because these men have been raised from birth to be dutiful Betas and White Knights who look for every opportunity to correct a ‘typical man’ for his sexist and rude behaviors. They look for these backroom boys clubs where women are rated on their looks so as to expose their heinous misogyny and institutionalized sexism, but they are disappointed when they don’t actually find it. So instead they contribute to an atmosphere of fear in some lame form of Beta Game they hope will be recognized and rewarded for by workplace women.

If you’re in a bad work situation, it’s ok to quit. So many women think that it’s a “failure” if you quit your job; and you know how hard we females take failure. But sometimes it’s not us: it’s them.

I recently left the board of a non-profit that I LOVE. I had been on it for years (and years). At nearly every meeting I asked how much we were spending on our investment managers, in comparison to the return we were getting. Meeting after meeting I was told that the answer was complex, it was hard to calculate, it would take a lot of work – and why did it matter anyway? It was really the net returns that matter, regardless of how much we paid for them. And then, last spring, before I could bring up the topic, one of the men did; and all the other guys eagerly agreed with him, that we need to keep an eye on fees because those are really all we can control.

I quit the next week.

Life is too short, and I can have a lot more impact with the week-a-year I get back instead of being ignored in meetings.

I know not everyone is in the position to quit; I wasn’t earlier in my career. So the onus is also on those of us who are more senior to be more supportive of women who leave these situations. I am hopeful that an outcome of this election will be greater understanding of this.

If it had been a woman who’d made the same suggestion would we be hearing about this? Shit like this happens all the time in the workplace. One reason The 48 Laws of Power resonated with men so well is because it was relatable to exactly this kind of situation. Law 7: Get others to do the work for you, but always take the credit for it yourself. Sallie sees this as sexism because it happened to be a guy who pulled it on her, but would she have quit the non-profit had it been a woman who outplayed her?

This is the reality of even the most seemingly benign of companies. They are defined by the interplay of power dynamics, but when women are bested in it the sexism narrative is ready on standby to comfort and explain their failure. So it becomes OK to quit, because the environment is always sexist. The business environment is one defined by competition and this grates on women’s expectation of it to be cooperative and collective. Women like Sallie expect recognition for merit, but wish for things to be easier rather than developing the skills to play the game better.

Get yourself a senior, successful – preferably female – mentor, who can help you navigate the politics of your company. This includes the gender politics. Can’t find one on your own? Speak to HR about helping you find one; this is their job, after all.

Your company doesn’t have a senior, successful female? Get the hell out of there.

Really the only sexism I’m seeing in this piece has been one coming from and endorsed by Krawcheck. She bemoans a lack of gender equity and then suggests a female mentor would be preferable to a male one. Her sexism is blatant here – the only definition of a solid reputable company is one that ensures it has a senior, successful female in it. Since most HR departments are staffed primarily with women it’s their job to help you find a senior, successful and female mentor? I’m not a business insider, but I’m pretty sure this isn’t their job.

I made this point in Male Space, but what happens when women insert themselves into a traditionally male dominated domain is that the enterprise becomes about accommodating the female influences rather than the enterprise itself. This entire article is an indictment of this. Again, the solution to a woman’s problem of not being successful is sought externally.

Do your best to make sure that your success is quantified. Be it a sales goal, a client satisfaction rating, an output metric, a quality target. Numbers count here because they’re black-and-white, cut-and-dried. Were you successful or not? I recommend this even if you work in a “normal” company, because implicit gender biases and expectations still exist for all of us.

Solid enough advice, but it’s couched in the context of an expectation of gender biases (at least the type of bias Sallie finds unacceptable). There’re implicit gender biases, but the ones we see dominate even ‘normal’ companies are ones that favor a feminized workforce.

Think about starting your own thing. This is what’s exciting; we have the ability to start our own businesses today, in a way we didn’t in the past. Why not take our marbles to our own playgrounds and build great businesses and cultures? Our mothers couldn’t do this because the cost was so high – but the costs of everything-about-starting-a-business, including technology, people (i.e., freelancers), real estate (co-working spaces) and support services are coming down. And then no one can relegate you to the less-interesting jobs.

Women are taught that they deserve the luxury of interesting jobs. In fact this is the sole reason for even wanting to enter the workforce most times – a rewarding career that’s fulfilling, but as I wrote in She’s Unhaaapy… that fulfillment is always elusive. Therefore it must be that uncooperative men are holding women back from this happiness.

I’m not sure opening another gourmet cupcake eatery counts as contributing to the status of women in business, but I would say that women ought to be encouraged to start up their own businesses rather than rely on the proven successes of established ones to prove their business acumen. Carly Fiorina and Sheryl Sandberg are not innovators in any sense. Neither started a company from scratch, but they are lauded as powerful businesswomen because they supposedly had the moxie to compete with the big boys and their sexist enterprises – not actually as a result of their companies wanting to present a feminine-correct public image.

I would love to see women’s organic business successes despite themselves, but my guess is that every failure or setback would have some tinge of external sexism attached to them. The truth is there are very few women who actually create something of worth because the easier path to success is to create a social convention that shames men for not including women in their own successes. It will always be easier for women to appropriate the success of men rather than create anything for themselves.

I am going to go out of my way to support other women. It’s clear now: we can’t do this alone. Another woman who is promoted or celebrated or funded clears the way for another. I am actively looking to buy from women-owned businesses, which is much easier these days — Glossier, Outdoor Voices, and Project September are just a few of a new wave of startups led by women — and avoid companies that remain all-men. I’m just so over supporting them.

And here we have yet more fem-centric sexism in a piece decrying male sexism. Weren’t we just reading about how surprised Sallie was about gender bias not being a thing of the past in the workplace? Because Trump won the election she calls for a boycott from buying anything from male owned companies?

One thing I’ve always found ironic about women’s call for collective, gender-exclusionary support for other women is that women are often guilty of even worse infighting than men are in the workplace. Lets face it, women hate other women to a degree that most men are unaware of. Their capacity for sub-communication and psychological warfare among themselves makes intra-sexual competition more brutal than having to deal with any so-called sexist male co-worker. From women’s collectivist perspective one would think that women’s intra-sexual support of other women would make them all outstanding successes in business, but we find the opposite is true. Women have a very hard time making an all-female enterprise a success. Naturally this is blamed, again, on men’s sexists brinksmanship and outmaneuvering them, but by and large it’s internal conflict that destroys all-female run enterprises.

Invest. Having spent my career on Wall Street and now being the founder of Ellevest, a digital investment platform for women, I know I’m a broken record on this topic. But men invest to a greater extent than women do, and it costs us. Indeed, I believe investing is the best career advice women aren’t getting. Think about it – are you more able to tell your boss to take this job and shove it if you have more money or less money?

That’s what I thought. At the end of the day, money is the real key to gender equality.

Of course we get the sales pitch at the end. Women don’t invest because it’s not sexy. It requires a degree of commitment and a depth of insight that goes well beyond what an average woman has any interest in. I do find it entertaining that Sallie finally gets to the real reason for a gender inequality she claims she wants to see abolished. Money is most definitely a key to establishing social dominance and that creates a fundamentally unequal condition between men and women.

Businesses, successful ones, are founded on competition, not cooperation. This is the fundamental conflict we are experiencing in today’s corporate culture; women’s collectivism promotes what they believe should be a successful enterprise based on egalitarian cooperation while men largely see the enterprise as competition. Sometimes this is a win-at-any-cost type of competition, other times it may be more subtle, but the crux is that women’s propensity to want for a more collectivist approach to a successful enterprise is at odds with men’s competitive approach. Success in business is fundamentally unegalitarian, there are winners and losers, not co-equal participation trophy winners. But as women continue to insert themselves into the unegalitarian male spaces of enterprise we will see this push for cooperative hopes for business success fundamentally alter the purpose of these businesses as we attempt more and more to accommodate them.

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kfg
kfg
9 years ago

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hank holiday
hank holiday
9 years ago

@blax Okay, this is where I get irritated with you guys. A few videos are posted and suddenly that means we must be “OMG RSD ARE THE GREATEST OMG OMG CAN I SUCK YOU DICK TYLER? CAN I SUCK YOUR DICK?” murraystreet wrote: I don’t know about GODS but if someone can give me precise tips that help me get results faster and more efficiently, and even walk my hand through it, then yeah, I’m gonna regard him pretty highly. I mean, how does this even intrigue or amuse you? EXACTLY. “Hey these vids are useful.” somehow equals “OMG YOU… Read more »

Pellaeon
Pellaeon
9 years ago

@Blaximus Thank you for the breakdown. I greatly appreciate it. But when many comments keep circling back to ” Tyler said….Julien said….Luke said “, over and over, I’m like wtf??? This ain’t the Tyler/Julien/Luke blog. Fair and valid point. I can understand why you would find this frustrating. Moreover, I could see why Rollo might find it frustrating as well. Nah man. This is vague and mysterious and most importantly, untestable. Lol, well played sir. Well played. @forge How is that an issue? It’s the opposite of an issue; in fact it’s exactly the circumstance you describe where both you… Read more »

SJF
SJF
9 years ago

@Blaximus Do you know anything or have any advice about fear? I vaguely remember you mentioning some abstract thoughts about that before. @Anonymous Reader Dynamic, Passionate and Authentic may or may not be necessary, but it is not sufficient. No it certainly is not, but it is a impetus for a man to lean toward his edge. All this posting ideas in my own words shore does make me tired. So I’ll just cut and paste this from Deida’s Chapter 8 of The Way of the Superior Man (SPOILER ALERT, abstractions are present here): “Lean Just Beyond Your Edge In… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
9 years ago

@ Hank Lol. I love you anyway.(no homo) I’ve conceded that where I live has a lot to do with the sheer volume of chicks. Mea Culpa. I understand this. I’m just sayin…or hoping…that dudes can just ” get it ” and maybe see the hawtness for what it actually is, and proceed accordingly. Believe me when I type that I want all guys to get whatever they want from women, hb9’s included. I am not anti pua. Don’t get that from what I’m saying. I’m just….cautious about certain aspects of the industry. But guys going out and approaching broads… Read more »

SJF
SJF
9 years ago

And in regards to the original post, Sallie Krawcheck tried to use women’s collectivism as a guard rail to not lean out to and beyond her real edge. Her ElleVest was an attempt for safety of female collectivism over pushing-the-edge investing.

Blaximus
Blaximus
9 years ago

@ SJF

I wrote to Andy re: fear a while back, but I’m too lazy to go back and look for it.

Basically fear, imo, is a useless, hindering reaction in life. Fear is something to be understood, dealt with and conquered. All men have the capability to do this. Not all have the understanding of the underlying mechanisms at play. Takes deep introspection, and maybe sometimes some therapy ( I don’t endorse therapists, but I concede that they are sometimes a necessary evil. )

Know thyself, fix thyself.

stuffinbox
stuffinbox
9 years ago

Hank

“and we’re like “um, I work at a McDonalds…in Kansas…”

Cool great place to score some tail!

Blaximus
Blaximus
9 years ago

@ stuff

I worked at McDonalds while I was in high school down south.

Banged most of the counter chicks, and eventually the manager who was twice my age.

….not proud about the manager thing though. She was a 5 on her best day and she was begging for it. It was pretty embarrassing. A lapse in judgement for my 17 year old mind.

But yeah, tail at mickey D’s for sure.

stuffinbox
stuffinbox
9 years ago

Blax

Had a build in Vail,my friends brother worked a micky ds they put the staff up at lions head condo.Two chicks and two guys in a two bed condo.At least till my framing crew moved in.I hit it of with this chick from boston she would come out to the sofa and service me morning and evening.we finished the house and she went back to college.

Forge the Sky
9 years ago

@Blax Good to be here man! I stop by as life allows these days lol. “Maybe that’s the whole ” externals building internals ” thing. To me that’s backwards, but I grok the concept fully.” Yeah, ideally we would all generate good mindsets organically. But in cases where that fails to happen, it’s great that we have some tools to work from the other direction. I remember the post you wrote about fear. Very good. You broke down the precise way you rid yourself of the tyranny of fear at a young age. Most men don’t even know how profoundly… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
9 years ago

hank holiday So TO YOU its no big deal, but I think you aren’t understanding the completely different life experiences most guys have. You don’t understand how much you have to go through to where you can chat up a HB9 model the same way you could a fatty. Maybe Blaximus can recall having an anxiety like that, maybe he can’t. Either way it doesn’t matter. His observation is actionable in terms of making it a mental habit, a “mantra” if you want. Whenever you are out at the mall or wherever, just remind yourself regularly “they’re just girls!’. When… Read more »

Culum Struan
Culum Struan
9 years ago

@Anonymous Reader – c’mon man. Nobody’s forcing you to respond to my points, but if you do then at least try to engage with the points I made instead of with me.

@gdeejay – thanks dude. Yes, I can’t remember the exact numbers and ratios but the trend is clear. I’d love for that not to be true, but it is.

stuffinbox
stuffinbox
9 years ago

There seems to me to be no actual way to test any PUA advice as the variables are to many.

Lets see now I did everything correctly and am going home with a dry dick WTF?

Oh Blax was in town and then Sentient came through last night and all the bitches have carpet burns on their knees,elbows,shoulder blades shoulda known when Isaw the carpet burns on their foreheads.Duh

Forge the Sky
9 years ago

Anyways, on the topic of easily-testable advice: @Hank re: your latest FR’s. Good stuff. I’d like to see a bit faster, more intense interest but that tends to come with time/subcomms. Your ideas on opens are good as well; in general be aware that more simple opens like ‘You’re trouble!’ take pretty good subcomms to pull off well. Like, it’s best if you have a strong IOI from her, especially lock-on eye contact, then you open with a push like that so she laughs out or qualifies immediately. When the open is a bit ‘colder’ a longer open can work… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
9 years ago

Blaximus “Maybe that’s the whole ” externals building internals ” thing. To me that’s backwards, but I grok the concept fully.” Interesting Yeah, ideally we would all generate good mindsets organically. But in cases where that fails to happen, it’s great that we have some tools to work from the other direction. I guess it depends on how one’s mind works, maybe on the worldview? I am firmly sold on Game because it works even with a crappy mindset. Even when a man doubts, it still has some effects. That’s very testable. Because running something basic like Agree & Amplify… Read more »

Forge the Sky
9 years ago

@Culum You were asking about hair-pulling earlier. How hard you do this depends on the girl, but it’s generally a good idea. The trick is to grab a large fistful of hair right near the scalp (not further down), squeeze your fingers together, and pull slow-ish but firmly. This basically gives you control of her head; it feels great for her even if she’s pretty vanilla, in that case it’s just sort of a dominant caress. If she’s more into dominance you can pull her head around, sometimes fairly forcefully if she’s into that. Don’t just tug. You don’t want… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
9 years ago

The other week I saw some 20 something people on TV. They were Dynamic up and down the street in Portland, Oregon. They were Passionate in their emotional reaction to Trump winning the election. They were Authentic in their desire to make their Passion known. So they set some newspaper vending machines and some trees on fire, may have trashed some cars, got out in traffic, and generally were Dynamic and Passionalte and Authentic all over some part of downtown Portland until the cops showed up and hauled them all off to jail. Maybe even Dynamically, but for sure Authenticallly.… Read more »

stuffinbox
stuffinbox
9 years ago

Dynamic, passionate yes authentic I doubt it,destructive yes hence the lockup.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
9 years ago

Culum @Anonymous Reader – c’mon man. Nobody’s forcing you to respond to my points, but if you do then at least try to engage with the points I made instead of with me. Nothing personal, I just don’t want to discuss energy or oil or TEOTWAKI on this site. I skipped all the political talk here this year, for example. At this point after multiple trips down the TEOTWAKI / energy rabbit trail in more places than I care to remember, it’s pretty much a waste of time to me. Time that I could spend improving my Game or reading… Read more »

scray
scray
9 years ago

@forge That’s disingenuous. The original metaphor stipulated that you could SEE that the other person was on the moon, and that this strongly suggests that, if you also want to go to the moon, you should start out asking them about it. It didn’t stipulate anything. It used a metaphor to describe the current situation. The next step is to evaluate what is said critically and ask ‘well, does it?’ And in this case, there’s no way to evaluate the accuracy of the metaphor, in which case, even if the heuristic is true — -i.e. “listen to your betters!” —… Read more »

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
9 years ago

You know the worst part of the shit show these comments have turned in to for a couple months now? There’s newbies getting absolutely nothing out of it and instead going to Aunt Giggles’ hug box for advice.

SJF
SJF
9 years ago

“Except it does not, because the OMGs constantly argue that PUA tactics/whatever is somehow different than the shit they do.” Oh, Really? I don’t. I argue that OMG’s incorporate PUA tactics, but are more multidimensional that PUA’s and PUA’s will eventually catch up. (PUA) Game is fungible across all relationship platforms. Natural or learned. “The dudes running game on the 18-25 y/o hotties in the field are spouting shit that is JUST AS APPLICABLE to LTR old ladies in their 40’s. But ya, if they want to just admit it’s all the same shit, I’m cool (and usually that’s what… Read more »

MrT
MrT
9 years ago

SJF

Yep, scray could never have multiple LONG term relationships with radiant women who have value after fucking (sic!). He was working on himself for 4 years just so he could have a harem of crack whores. We all know good girls dont fall for that ridiculous shit called game. And he definitely wouldnt be able to pairbond to one of them. Thats impossible.

Lost Patrol
Lost Patrol
9 years ago

@Sun Wukong

Please provide directions/instructions to find the intriguing “Aunt Giggles’ hug box”. I must know more.

Culum Struan
Culum Struan
9 years ago

@Anonymous Reader – okay dude.

@Forge – thanks, I’ll try the hairpulling next time. Back in my Small Town now, but maybe one of the lays from November will become an FB, depending on location etc..

anon
anon
9 years ago

“Yep, scray could never have multiple LONG term relationships with radiant women who have value after fucking (sic!). He was working on himself for 4 years just so he could have a harem of crack whores. We all know good girls dont fall for that ridiculous shit called game. And he definitely wouldnt be able to pairbond to one of them. Thats impossible.” Sometimes sarcasm is its own parody. If all women are whores there are no whores (and no “good women”…no measure on which to base their character. And “pair bonding” is beta, dude…pair bonding would be a super… Read more »

SJF
SJF
9 years ago

@ Mr.T

You illustrate Poe’s Law. Without a smiley it is impossible to create a parody of extreme views so obviously exaggerated that it cannot be mistaken by some readers or viewers as a sincere expression of the madonna/whore complex.

MrT
MrT
9 years ago

What do you think was the intent behind my comment

Andy
Andy
9 years ago

To sum up, most people need both overarching concepts AND nitty gritty testable details to learn game. Old natural dudes have the overarching themes, PUA has the real practical applicable map. PUA has both really, but old guys add some value. PUA is just a LABEL. Let’s give it a different label and then let me know if you think that their input is valid here. “Guy that can teach game” How about that for a label? GTCTG Does a “guy that can teach game” have everyone’s permission to post in a forum about fucking GAME? lol. Jesus. Now, on… Read more »

Forge the Sky
9 years ago

@Scray You’re addressing the specific circumstance here directly, whereas I’m being a bit more theoretical. I’m trying to get at theories of how we can get to know things, where to look for new knowledge, and how to teach it in a general sense. You’re just pointing out ‘not here, not here, maybe there.’ That’s fine, and there ain’t nothing wrong with efficiency. But I think some of the friction here is a lack of a sense of purpose from you; I’m not quite sure what you’re trying to learn, what truth you’re trying to find, so it just kinda… Read more »

mersonia
9 years ago

@Forge

“I’m trying to get at theories of how we can get to know things, where to look for new knowledge, and how to teach it in a general sense.”

lol ….. Do you really want to know how we can get to know things.

SJF
SJF
9 years ago

Your intent was to say that M/W complex is in full operation. Just like in Julien’s video with the month-long-unwashed cum-stained shirt and the girl doctor in L.A. (Hey but it was a good illustration of PUA posted by YaReally). (Where such men love they have no desire and where they desire they cannot love.–S. Freud). IDK, I just find this failure to have any desire for LTR with well raised children with a HB8+ outlandish. (But it may just be me.) I can understand if there is not good HB8+ girls out there, I really can, but that also… Read more »

Forge the Sky
9 years ago

@Sun Wukong

hah, yeah, it can be hard to get a word in.

Got any FR’s? 😀

But yeah, we could probably stand to talk a bit more about how to deal with the info from the OP. I’m not made of time these days but I’ll see if I can rustle up a thought or two.

Andy
Andy
9 years ago

“IDK, I just find this failure to have any desire for LTR with well raised children with a HB8+ outlandish.”

Just because one person might not want that doesn’t mean that it isn’t the right thing for you.

redlight
redlight
9 years ago

Does a “guy that can teach game” have everyone’s permission to post in a forum about fucking GAME?

Permission to talk about game sure. Some, though, think because they are great observers of life and videos, that they are “guy that can teach parenting”, “guy that can teach business”, “guy that can teach non-PUA self improvement ” and “guy that can teach the future of marriage”, without field testing anything first. There are even some who feel they can teach Rollo on self improvement right on this forum.

Rollo Tomassi
9 years ago
Reply to  redlight

I just read through Mystery’s Twitter meltdown. Why would the guy who literally wrote the book on PUA be having suicidal thoughts (again) about his relationships and his personal state?

Was it that he lost attraction to his wife (wives) baby mamma? Why would he even care since they are so easily replaced? Does he not know there is no ONE? Does he not understand that Hypergamy doesn’t care about his sentimentality?

Hmmm…

rugby11
rugby11
9 years ago
Reply to  Rollo Tomassi

CSP
http://wp.me/p4tvpM-1NGm
Dancing and feminine energy

Andy
Andy
9 years ago

“Permission to talk about game sure. Some, though, think because they are great observers of life and videos, that they are “guy that can teach parenting”, “guy that can teach business”, “guy that can teach non-PUA self improvement ” and “guy that can teach the future of marriage”, without field testing anything first.”

Obviously the pLTR thing is just way too taboo for TRM (Despite people like you successfully managing them.) But yeah, that’s just a dead end. Maybe we should just avoid it.

mersonia
9 years ago

@Andy

“Obviously the pLTR thing is just way too taboo for TRM (Despite people like you successfully managing them.) But yeah, that’s just a dead end. Maybe we should just avoid it.”

You could only discuss it on a red pill forum without the backlash

murraystreet
murraystreet
9 years ago

@SJF ” So what are you personally or any Newbie going to do about that? Look for a concrete recipe prescription for that plan? After you or the Newbie finishes reading a lot of Rollo on The Rational Male blog? Or are you going to just use TRM as a parking place for your comments? ” Hopefully they’re gonna get all the best practical advice they can and go out into the field with that in mind. Ideally they’d also retain the best mindsets. Like “girls are just girls”, which is the mindset you want to have but just not… Read more »

Andy
Andy
9 years ago

“I just read through Mystery’s Twitter meltdown. Why would the guy who literally wrote the book on PUA be having suicidal thoughts (again) about his relationships and his personal state?”

I think it’s obvious that they need to learn better calibration for relationships. Owen’s latest video talks about relationships and… Man, dude shouldn’t be talking too much about that stuff. Too much comfort and you’re going to shoot yourself if the foot badly…

Rollo Tomassi
9 years ago
Reply to  Andy

Do you think that lack of calibration comes as a result of not understanding what exactly he “calibrating” to? Maybe as a result of never really having the insight to see past his Blue Pill idealism in the face of the realities the Red Pill should’ve made him aware of, in spite of all his very practical understanding of Game?

SJF
SJF
9 years ago

@Andy “Guy that can teach game” How about that for a label? I think that is an excellent concept and descriptive label. Notwithstanding that I don’t have dislike for Pick Up Artistry at all. I love it. Because of Forge the Sky’s statement: “I’ve found that, in general, RP and game feel more like the awakening of buried impulses than the addition of foreign behaviors.” PUA is the unfettered learning of the Masculine Imperative. My objection to PUA commenters is that they should stick to what they know and can prove (because they insist on that which is provable and… Read more »

redlight
redlight
9 years ago

Obviously the pLTR thing is just way too taboo for TRM (Despite people like you successfully managing them.) But yeah, that’s just a dead end. Maybe we should just avoid it.

Discussion is fine, especially without the shit storm of pointless sarcasm, endless strawmen, and ad hominem. The key thing to avoid is teaching without experience, like today our SJW is going teach urban warfare in Mosul.

Andy
Andy
9 years ago

“YaReally has multiple times shit on the idea of having hobbies per se.”

He shits on them when you imply that they will help create attraction from women. For the guys that YaReally is trying to help that is NOT going to be the case…

othergrain
othergrain
9 years ago

Rollo, I don’t get why you expect us to defend every mainstream PUA’s actions to the death… They’re Just Men. It’s well known that lots of PUA’s hold on to BP fantasies about finding the one and settling down. That’s old news at this point. Buuuut… Personally, I don’t spend my time reading through other men’s meltdowns to try and defame them. Yea, maybe Mystery himself could benefit from your writing. And maybe we could all learn from discussing his current situation. Why you gotta bring it up in such a snarky way though? It’s not a competition between you… Read more »

Andy
Andy
9 years ago

“Maybe as a result of never really having the insight to see past his Blue Pill idealism in the face of the realities the Red Pill should’ve made him aware of, in spite of all his very practical understanding of Game?”

I can only guess, but I would say in Mystery’s case probably yes. In Owen’s case… I’d lean more towards just needs more time.

newlyaloof
9 years ago

@Rollo, Mystery’s A1-S3 model is still valid for understanding the sexual market and dynamics in the field. But you are correct in that Mystery could benefit from what is termed the “OMG principles.” I’ve seen some younger dudes here say that Sentient’s DPA (Dynamic/Passionate/Authentic) model should have specific examples to test, like they see in the MM. I think this is a valid point, and one that I myself would love to see expanded upon. I wouldn’t see this request as a cut down on what Sentient has wrote; in fact, I’ve been meaning to go back and catalogue some… Read more »

Forge the Sky
9 years ago

Well here’s a quick concrete question. @All/pua How frequently can you usually expect a FWB/FB to come over in general? I realize there’s gonna be some differences depending on circumstance. But I just don’t have a good feel for it; like, if she only comes over once a month does that mean I need to step my game up somehow? Or is that just how these things run? Just got the one plate right now and she’s really into me while she’s in my presence, but facetime with her just doesn’t happen all that frequently. Could be the 30-min drive,… Read more »

mersonia
9 years ago

@Rollo “I just read through Mystery’s Twitter meltdown. Why would the guy who literally wrote the book on PUA be having suicidal thoughts (again) about his relationships and his personal state? Was it that he lost attraction to his wife (wives) baby mamma? Why would he even care since they are so easily replaced? Does he not know there is no ONE? Does he not understand that Hypergamy doesn’t care about his sentimentality? Hmmm…” Well this have been covered before but…. …..Most men are blue pill even a lot of the red pill ones here(lol)…. They don’t want to let… Read more »

SJF
SJF
9 years ago

@Andy

“He shits on them when you imply that they will help create attraction from women.”

In never implied any such thing (at least not intentionally).

“Obviously the pLTR thing is just way too taboo for TRM (Despite people like you successfully managing them.) But yeah, that’s just a dead end. Maybe we should just avoid it.”

pLTR is well within the bounds of Plate Theory and the nature of the Masculine Imperative. Where that discussion went off the rails was when children raised to maturity was introduced into the equation as a strong variable.

Andy
Andy
9 years ago

“pLTR is well within the bounds of Plate Theory and the nature of the Masculine Imperative. Where that discussion went off the rails was when children raised to maturity was introduced into the equation as a strong variable.”

Right that’s what I meant. pLTR with kids is taboo here.

SFC Ton
9 years ago

Women are women and they are all whores

Question is who are the playing the whore for and how many times have they played whore for some other dude

Andy
Andy
9 years ago

“It’s not a competition between you and PUA, or you and RSD…you’re all helping men. How bout reaching out to mystery and trying to help him?”

That would be great. Rollo you should hit him up. Good for your ego too. Combine forces.

othergrain
othergrain
9 years ago

Forge
How much are you two communicating between visits? Are you giving the validation away for free all month long?

Is there a difference between how you’re acting all month when she’s not coming over, and the day(s) leading up to her visits?

Ditto, her behaviour?

I wouldn’t sweat 1x/month…gives you more time to get some other plates spinning 😉

Sentient
Sentient
9 years ago

I see we need to step back to basics…

Are women attracted to Alpha?

Is water wet?

murraystreet
murraystreet
9 years ago

@Forge The Sky

Girls have lives. Don’t sweat it. You mention you’re far so yeah.

I’m happy if I get to see one of my FBs once a month, maybe twice. That’s a good frequency.

Sentient
Sentient
9 years ago

Mersonia

Compromise is weak.

Ducking is weaker… Quack

newlyaloof
9 years ago

@Andy @Rollo, Fuck yeah man! Rollo does those audios with Niko. Imagine Rollo and Mystery doing one of those talks (or a series) and getting into all this. Talk about a traffic spike and a terrific melding of minds.

Forge the Sky
9 years ago

Mystery is a sharp and expansive thinker, but he is also very artistic and idealistic. You can see this in his recent bootcamp promotional material in Finland, for example; just going on about how ‘magical’ women and interacting with them are. I don’t begrudge a bit of idealistic enthusiasm, but in his case I’m not sure there’s a clear boundary about when that is and is not appropriate. He’s a great PUA. Redpill understanding would be a great compliment to that. He doesn’t have that, at least not yet. Maybe he’s never come to the whole process from a place… Read more »

othergrain
othergrain
9 years ago

“Since the manosphere is mainly a negative circle jerk (aside from trm) people … usually steer away from it.”

This is exactly what HABD was talking about with Luke….it’s unfortunate that you get lumped in with guys like Roosh and the other butthurt angry manosphere guys, but that’s the nature of the beast. Through a BP lens, even -your- writing is angry and misogynistic, even though nothing could be farther from the truth.

SJF
SJF
9 years ago

@ Rollo I think Mystery’s dilemma stemmed from the Marc Lewis’ limbic rut hypothesis and the ideas about addiction is not a disease, it is the normal functioning of the brain. Think back when you switched over to LTR game. You had your college studies (on two levels, art and behavioral psychology) and then you had your professional career development, childraising, dog-loving, weightlifting, music, fencing and hobbies as well as solid masculine guy friendships). In other words you had literally 7 to 9 other dopamine outlets/inputs to be more multidimensional. And the transition proceeded naturally to domestic life and LTR… Read more »

MrT
MrT
9 years ago

You are implying that scray is unhappy because he spends time with low value girls. Do you think he would spend so much time practicing game to spend time with women he doesnt value? Him not ranting about how satisified he is is not an argument. “IDK, I just find this failure to have any desire for LTR with well raised children with a HB8+ outlandish. (But it may just be me.)” I take it you mean it as biological desire (instinctual) since a lack thereof is outlandish. It is not a biological desire. You have biological desire to fuck… Read more »

Forge the Sky
9 years ago

@Othergrain I contact her maybe 1x/wk. Might be slightly more than ideal, but I’m not like checking in every day or anything. Texts range from practical ‘we should hang out’ to funny shit I think of. The second sort of text actually seems to work better towards actually meeting up lol. She tends to be adventurous and get involved with all sorts of things day-to-day so I think she just sort of….forgets how cool I am in the rush of things and I need to remind her hah. But mostly the pattern seems to be she drinks a glass of… Read more »

kfg
kfg
9 years ago

re labels: If chairs were called dogs, we would still sit on them. re pLTR: Mystery is an empirical field test of the pLTR with kids concept. From my perspective the pLTR concept went off the rails because it was put forward as a standard model for a supermajority of men, when it seems clear there are good reasons why it will never work for more than a tiny minority of men. Even most highly experienced PUAs will not be able to pull it off. Discussing the reasons why it won’t work for a majority of men is not not… Read more »

SJF
SJF
9 years ago

“pLTR with kids is taboo here.” The discussion of it wasn’t taboo. Or moderated. The idea was found to be unworkable to the satisfaction of the best interests of the man because of State forces and The Misandry Bubble. There was concern about the man and the welfare of his children. Children are best raised within the presence of a father. That father’s ongoing presence was questioned, not just because of his lack of full investment, but because to the possibility of being forced out by the mother. (Witness Mystery’s lament.) That’s not to say it is unworkable, it just… Read more »

newlyaloof
9 years ago

@Sentient, do you know when you started commenting here at TRM? I want to go back and start compiling some of your FRs and comments. Why? Because when some YSGs read your comment about “Are women attracted to Alpha?” they would say, “Sure women are attracted to Alpha, but where are the specifics on being alpha?” I know that in your FRs you’ve mentioned specifics: 1. Laser eye her on approach 2. Stand facing bar with your palms on the bar shoulder-wide apart. 3. Hold the handshake a bit longer. 3. etc, etc. just quick stuff I can remember I’ll… Read more »

MrT
MrT
9 years ago

@redlight

Where are those comments with business and parenting advice?

newlyaloof
9 years ago

, man, your last two comments are some good readin’!

mersonia
9 years ago

@SKG

“That’s not to say it is unworkable, it just is against all odds. Reality gets in the way of fantasy.”

It’s not for the faint of heart. Do the hard work lol

Andy
Andy
9 years ago

“Discussing the reasons why it won’t work for a majority of men is not not discussing it, nor is it even dismissing the concept.” I don’t remember much conversation about making it work from anybody including guys here that are making it work… “Even most highly experienced PUAs will not be able to pull it off.” Lol, you don’t know that. “That father’s ongoing presence was questioned, not just because of his lack of full investment, but because to the possibility of being forced out by the mother. (Witness Mystery’s lament.)” I think we can all agree that Mystery should… Read more »

SJF
SJF
9 years ago

“You are implying that scray is unhappy because he spends time with low value girls.” I didn’t imply that Scray is unhappy per se. He seems very happy and has Real Power (TM) and I admire him for that. No lie. He is and will continue to be an Apex Male with tremendous value. I am implying that “satisfaction, confidence or happiness with this” is their satisfaction confidence or happiness with the quality of their girls after they fuck them. They certainly have an aversion to deeply convert those girls (because they might stick around too long) rather than merely… Read more »

othergrain
othergrain
9 years ago

“Texts range from practical ‘we should hang out’ to funny shit I think of. The second sort of text actually seems to work better towards actually meeting up lol.” So you’re saying she responds better after you spike her emotions and give her value (good feels)?! Every time you move things forward (lead) should be done on a high note (for her), escalating physically, location change, etc. Lol I know you know all this, but just wanted to highlight the concepts. “I think she just sort of….forgets how cool I am in the rush of things and I need to… Read more »

SJF
SJF
9 years ago

I don’t remember much conversation about making it work from anybody including guys here that are making it work… Exactly. I distinctly remember the discussion about it being unworkable without certain attached strings. The strings being not so controllable in the the long run. And it is not about marriage. Marriage is an untenable prospect going forward. And Married Red Pill, or LTR Game is about staying in a valuable marriage or LTR. It is not an advocacy for entry into a new marriage or LTR. I think we can all agree that Mystery should not be shown as an… Read more »

Andy
Andy
9 years ago

“I distinctly remember the discussion about it being unworkable without certain attached strings. The strings being not so controllable in the the long run. And it is not about marriage. Marriage is an untenable prospect going forward. And Married Red Pill, or LTR Game is about staying in a valuable marriage or LTR. It is not an advocacy for entry into a new marriage or LTR.”

Okay… If there’s no good option WHY NOT TRY IT? lol.

SJF
SJF
9 years ago

“If there’s no good option WHY NOT TRY IT?

Because a man might not want to use his children as pawns in a game played against all odds. Without children at least one strong variable is removed from the equation and the odd are then very tenable. (remember Vasalgel?)

theasdgamer
9 years ago

Rollo wrote:

Jesus, it’s not like 14 years of writing about what I do just came to me in a fucking dream one night.

I’m not Jesus, but I can translate, “I put in a lot of work to get to where I am.”

Andy
Andy
9 years ago

Like I said. pLTR’s are taboo to talk about here.

Zhu Wuneng
Zhu Wuneng
9 years ago

@newlyaloof

Don’t forget, Sentient used to post at Heartiste, too, so there’s probably some of what you’re looking for over there, if you can dig through the garbage and lolololozzzlol spam.

newlyaloof
9 years ago

Man, this is awesome. From Alpha Game Plan:

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EhIntellect
EhIntellect
9 years ago

“He shits on them when you imply that they will help create attraction from women.” Diversions, hobbies have groupies, except maybe WoW. @ Mr. T IDK Sentient’s definition of female language but I can assume a bit. Answer: yes, the oldest is a bit meat-fisted, even knows when he is, but get locked up mentally in how to apply PUA. A moment of clarity though this week: In class he was to walk at a girl to prove, in part, a physics lesson. He said he was “staring” at her as he walked and realized only after he was lazing… Read more »

theasdgamer
9 years ago

@Keith

I mostly do country dancing (e.g., Two-Step, Triple-Two-Step aka “Shuffle”, Nightclub Two-Step, Country Waltz, West Coast Swing), but sometimes ballroom, Salsa, or west coast swing.

theasdgamer
9 years ago

No, not everyone has, dude…like for all the bleating about the ancients or what the shit ever, you apparently aren’t cognizant of the fact that within civilization, historically only about 40% of men reproduce at all. Yeah, coz men who only have daughters don’t reproduce. I expected better from @scray. The fact is, the “science” about ancient human reproduction is about Broadly Explanatory Theories which have a great resemblance to String Theory in their explanatory methods. Anytime you extrapolate into the past, you are a blind man trying to describe an elephant you can’t even feel using feces which may… Read more »

othergrain
othergrain
9 years ago

“He shits on them when you imply that they will help create attraction from women.”

“Diversions, hobbies have groupies, except maybe WoW.”

It’s more about the common belief in the manosphere that success at a hobby, will translate to confidence, in *being* attractive to women (assuming attraction).

Truth is, you could be a guitar prodigy, Ironman competitor, or chess world champion. When it comes to putting one foot in front of the other and saying “hey” those accomplishes more often than not amount to fuck-all.

Pellaeon
Pellaeon
9 years ago

@Rollo I just read through Mystery’s Twitter meltdown. Why would the guy who literally wrote the book on PUA be having suicidal thoughts (again) about his relationships and his personal state? Well, I would say that’s good evidence that you don’t need a good mindset to get laid, as long as you know the externals. Mystery is fucked up internally. But also good evidence that mindset and internals are necessary for long term happiness. With that being said, one of the big reasons I’ve become a big proponent of your writing is that you filled a hole in mystery method’s… Read more »

theasdgamer
9 years ago

@scray

no thanks, dudebro. come out with something clear and testable. should be easy if you went to the moon

If you want to know who killed someone, just provide something clear and testable, like a vid. That works in courtrooms, right?

If you want to know how to game a wife you’ve been married to for 30 years, there should be vids showing how to do it.

Oh, noes, The Taming of the Shrew strikes again!

kfg
kfg
9 years ago

“I don’t remember much conversation about making it work . . .” I’m not interested in discussing magic. If you want to discuss how to run 100m in under 10s, I can do that. If you want to discuss how the majority of men currently alive can run 100m in under 10s (standard sea level, standard international rules), you would have to invoke magic. Even PEDs won’t do it. You would need a new breed of men. Men who are not as men are. Even Usain Bolt hasn’t done it without technological aid. His times cannot be directly compared to… Read more »

theasdgamer
9 years ago

@scray

Also, if you want to study science, you should repeat all the experiments for yourself…don’t read those fucking OMG science journals that assume that you will believe their data.

The OMGs were told the same shit they are saying by men who were OMGs when the OMGs were YSGs and they believed what they were told and…PRESTO!…it worked. The OMGs didn’t have vids and women needed to be trained when OMGs were YSGs just like women today need to be trained. The need for The Taming of the Shrew didn’t start in 2016.

kfg
kfg
9 years ago

TL;DR:

Taboo: Shit you won’t talk about.
pLTR: Shit that we are still fucking talking about.

SJF
SJF
9 years ago

@EhIntellect

IDK Sentient’s definition of female language but I can assume a bit.

Here is a chapter from Franco’s Manual of Seduction on Woman’s Language and Seduction along the lines of cats are not dogs:

https://therationalmale.com/2016/05/06/good-girls-bad-girls/comment-page-6/#comment-155742

The book is well worth the $5.99 even for LTR’s.

https://www.amazon.com/Manual-Seduction-Franco-Meet-Women-ebook/dp/B018YAGH4A/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1480694983&sr=8-1&keywords=franco+manual+of+seduction

Keith
Keith
9 years ago

. I waltz ,fox trot , rumba and cha cha. Pre bronze. I don’t understand how some one can get a grasp of holding frame without doing a little bit of couples dancing. If can’t hold frame your gonna lose your partner or your going to constantly be bumbing into each other. Much like relationships. Every man knows female love to dance once a man comprehends why he is already half way out of the matrix

Pellaeon
Pellaeon
9 years ago

@newlyaloof I’ve seen some younger dudes here say that Sentient’s DPA (Dynamic/Passionate/Authentic) model should have specific examples to test, My issue with the theory is less about breaking it down to manageable steps and more that it’s so broad and re-interpretable as to apply to many behaviors that are beta. A quick Google search yields the following definitions: dy·nam·ic adjective 1. (of a process or system) characterized by constant change, activity, or progress. “a dynamic economy” pas·sion·ate adjective showing or caused by strong feelings or a strong belief. au·then·tic adjective of undisputed origin; genuine. So if I walk up to… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
9 years ago

NewlyAloof hey man… I think around November December… But your view of my view is mistaken I think, seems like many here mistake it, most of them intentionally for Internet Cookies, I know you are not in this category so I will elaborate… This is why I’ve developed the Alpha Triad… to understand what are the fewest but essential elements of Alpha… the Dynamic, Passionate and Authentic traits and displays… and then why is this useful? And then how is this used? Those are different order questions. So I think there is universal acknowledgement that women are attracted to Alpha.… Read more »

theasdgamer
9 years ago

Left off the vid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkJgCldG2lI

Warning: This vid may be considered misogynistic.

kfg
kfg
9 years ago

“I took action the while time: initiating conversation and constantly changing my approach.”

You are framing this as if it’s about pickup. It isn’t.

“I am displaying very strong emotions.”

This is incorrect. You have very strong emotions.

Sentient
Sentient
9 years ago

Pelleaon

Would you consider this alpha behavior? I don’t.

I’ve asked you to define what is Alpha…. a few times.

You’ve not.

Sentient
Sentient
9 years ago

Oh – Pell – Cats are not dogs!

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
9 years ago

@ SJF

Oh my brother. That was a fun read.

I’ve been making this shit up my whole life. It’s fun to see it written down.

Sentient
Sentient
9 years ago

KFG

That archery demonstration was amazing. On many levels… Thanks.

Imagine a guy sat back and gave some thought to something and then put it into practice without it being spoon fed to him in exactly proportioned bites, perfectly salted to his palette, without following a specific existing process?

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
9 years ago

Meanwhile, on the sexbot front. I still think that VR porn will have more social efects than sexbots, but I’ve been wrong before.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/living/2171450/sex-robots-which-crack-jokes-being-developed-to-help-improve-mens-dating-skills/

kfg
kfg
9 years ago

I do not clearly recall how I got to TRM, because it wasn’t a pressing matter. It “just happened.”

“I’ve been making this shit up my whole life. It’s fun to see it written down.”

But this is why I came back.

SJF
SJF
9 years ago

For those following along at home about what Alpha looks like, here was another chapter from Franco entitled The Alpha Male and the Alpha Attitude (at the end of my old guy rant):

https://therationalmale.com/2016/10/24/please-breakup-with-me/comment-page-7/#comment-176031

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