The following is an excerpt from the Red Pill Reddit forum I’ve been following recently. I had an emailer ask me to opine about this situation and, for as much as I’d like to brag about having a previous essay for any occasion, I realized I hadn’t really covered this situation. Well, not in any great depth anyway,…
Bit of background: my girlfriend and I are both working people with solid jobs. Mine involves working partly in a lab a fair distance away from where we live, and I am gone for about 2 weeks a month. We have been together 5 years, and things have always been awesome between us. No major fights to speak of.
The incident happened last Saturday night. I was due to return the following Monday, and my girlfriend and a few of her friends had planned a night out, painting the town red. I knew about it, and this isn’t an uncommon occurrence and I paid no mind to it.
Saturday was a typically busy day for me, and I was really tired and went to sleep early that night, as I had to get up early to get back to work. Get back to work Sunday, not checking my phone as I was running late, and noticed lots of messages and voicemails waiting for me when I got to the lab. All from my GF: in all the voicemails, she was in tears, and told me that she’d been out dancing in a club and that she’d been fairly tipsy, but not really drunk.
Apparently some guy started dancing around her, (this part is absolutely unclear, I only know what she told me) and after some words exchanged, yada yada, he leaned in to kiss her, and she kissed him back. I don’t know how long, or any details, but she said she realized what she’d done and returned home as soon as possible, where she started calling and texting me.
I’ve been back for 2 days now, and I’ve only had 1 discussion with her. She was pretty much at my feet when I got back, asking for forgiveness, and honestly, I was nowhere near thinking of breaking up with her. We didn’t talk much that night, just laid in bed, me holding her, thinking we could work this out. No. She has been an absolute wreck since she woke up 3 days ago, won’t look me in the eye, left home crazy early, returns extremely late, and hasn’t been returning texts or calls.
She is broken inside, and I don’t think she can forgive herself for what she did. I don’t know what to do, I can’t reach her – I guess I have to give her time, but honestly, I’m barely holding on looking at her in her state. I bear no ill will towards her, I just think she made a mistake in the heat of the moment. I’m completely lost. I don’t know how I can convince her that I can move past this, and that I still love her. Even I have been near tears at times these past few days. I need a place to vent, I don’t have many people I can talk to, and I need to write down my thoughts.
TL;DR: GF made out with someone in a bar while I was out of town and is an absolute wreck right now, even though I think I can move past it and work at getting everything back on track. I’m lost and don’t know how to convince her. I don’t know what she is thinking and I’m barely holding on.
Now, a bit later he gives this thread a status update.
UPDATE: I left her a note yesterday night in the kitchen, saying some things, we can work past this, etc. etc. She left a note at the same place I had. There were wet patches on that paper, and she pretty much wrote she fucked up big time and she was sorry. (She had already said these things last time I saw her.) Also said sorry she had shut me out, she didn’t know what to do, and that she didn’t think she deserved me after the way I treated her the night I got back. She has left for work now – (true, I called up someone I know there) – and she said she is done being an asshole, and would come home to and (I quote:) ” get out of my life once and for all. You don’t deserve the way I’ve treated you this week.”
The TRP subredd commenters have pretty much covered the majority of what I would point out. We’re dealing with an abject Beta here who, like most Blue Pill conditioned men buys into the touchy-feely ‘open communications will solve everything’ fallacy. He also feels it’s incumbent upon him to follow the ‘be the bigger man’ meme and forgive her indiscretions (at least the ones she felt guilty enough to relate to him in a text). And really, what’s to forgive anyway? It was only a kiss, right?
For a bit of context, they’re both 26, and are living together. We don’t really know much about how long they’ve been together, but if they’re roommates (always a bad idea) I’m going to guess it’s been at least a couple of years.
What this guy is experiencing is actually a very common rationalization strategy women will use when they are saddled with a man their subconscious recognizes as Beta. In The Medium is the Message I point out that there’s really no such thing as ‘mixed messages’ and that women’s behaviors will generally inform a guy as to what a woman’s real intent is. This is a basic behavioral psychology principle; behavior is the only true measure of motivation and intent. Thus, all the verbalizing of intent, verbal rationalization of purpose and ‘open communication’ simply becomes a part of the behavior which Red Pill behaviorists then parse as true intent.
Yes, this can get tedious in the beginning, and yes, it seems like a huge waste of time trying to second guess a woman’s intent, but understanding what a woman’s ‘medium’ is informing you about is a necessary step to internalizing Red Pill awareness. Once you’ve had experience in this parsing a woman’s behaviors with the behavior that is her rationalizations, it’s from this point that a Red Pill aware man can begin to predict behaviors and become more effective ‘readers’ of what a woman’s actions is somewhat reliably telling them.
In this guy’s case his girlfriend’s messaging is pretty clear to any marginally Red Pill aware man. Her behavior is born from a desire to escape the domesticity of their live-in arrangement and while she’s ‘out with the girls’ she seizes an opportunity to engage in an extra-pairing affair. Naturally, what we ‘know’ from what’s related is that she got tipsy and just kissed a guy. As you might expect, the commenters on the TRP sub jump to what predictably happened and the speculation is a lot more than just kissing.
Evo-Bio 101
However, all speculation aside, we have to make a few basic connections here. My first expectation is that she was likely in the proliferative (pre-ovulatory) phase of her menstrual cycle. I can’t be certain, but I’m sure if the guy were to be objective, he’d see the signs. Second, her behavior belies intent, and thus she seeks an extra-pair encounter and puts herself into an environment that will likely facilitate it. The kissing (assuming that’s all it was) is still a behavior that indicates she’s open to a short term breeding opportunity (Alpha Fucks) and is looking, even if just temporarily, to escape her domestic situation with her Beta live-in boyfriend.
That’s basic evo-psych/evo-bio Red Pill awareness of women’s nature. What gets interesting is when she feels compelled to relate her “infidelity” to her Beta boyfriend. The first presumption we make is that she’s felt some pangs of guilt for having betrayed his trust, but as we’ll see this is in error. We make this presumption because, like this guy does, we want to give a woman the benefit of the doubt when it comes to guilt because men and women popularly believe that women have a supernatural gift for empathy. It simply ‘sounds right’ to believe that a woman had an error in judgement whilst a little tipsy, but again we need to see this situation objectively from an evo-psych/behaviorist perspective.
When I break down this Beta guy’s rationalization process you’ll begin to see how this presumption of empathy and his Blue Pill conditioned mindset actually works against this girl, but for now we have to get a grasp of her feminine subconscious and how it reflexively interacts with the sexual imperative of Hypergamy. Most women’s confessions of extra-pair infidelity isn’t rooted in guilt. That’s not to say women don’t feel guilt or regret, it’s just to say that the functional purpose of the confession doesn’t subconsciously originate in feelings of guilt.
When women ‘cheat’, even when it’s non-sexually, their subconscious is testing the man it suspects is Beta which she’s paired with for confirmation of him being Beta. This is potentially risky, of course, but such is the prime directive of Hypergamy that if it is subconsciously suspected that a paired-with man is less that Hypergamously optimal the long term benefits of confirmation outweigh any risks. Thus, a confession of infidelity from a woman should universally be interpreted as a Hypergamous shit test from men.
If nothing else, her confession of infidelity should be interpreted as a lack of genuine desire for a man – such a lack that it’s necessitated her behavior of engaging in genuine desire with another man. What rationalizations and verbal communications that follow from this point should be consider part of that woman’s behavioral set, and in terms of the Medium being the message, should be assessed as her medium.
So what do we see in this case?
I’ve been back for 2 days now, and I’ve only had 1 discussion with her. She was pretty much at my feet when I got back, asking for forgiveness, and honestly, I was nowhere near thinking of breaking up with her. We didn’t talk much that night, just laid in bed, me holding her, thinking we could work this out. No. She has been an absolute wreck since she woke up 3 days ago, won’t look me in the eye, left home crazy early, returns extremely late, and hasn’t been returning texts or calls.
he is broken inside, and I don’t think she can forgive herself for what she did. I don’t know what to do, I can’t reach her…
On the surface we have the reports of this guy stating that she’s wracked with remorse and asking forgiveness. Sounds reasonable enough, right? No talking, cuddling, comfort and consolation, but wont look him in the eye, leaves early, comes back late. The guy presumes she’s broken inside and can’t forgive herself, but her behaviors imply that she’s disappointed in his reaction to just the marginal amount of information she’d related about her “infidelity”.
In his update we get this part, emphasis mine:
There were wet patches on that paper, and she pretty much wrote she fucked up big time and she was sorry. (She had already said these things last time I saw her.) Also said sorry she had shut me out, she didn’t know what to do, and that she didn’t think she deserved me after the way I treated her the night I got back. She has left for work now – (true, I called up someone I know there) – and she said she is done being an asshole, and would come home to and (I quote:) ” get out of my life once and for all. You don’t deserve the way I’ve treated you this week.”
In the post Gut Check I mention how men’s subconscious awareness subtly informs their conscious awareness by picking up on shifts in behavior, attitude and environment. Through our socialization, acculturation and Blue Pill conditioning, men are taught to suppress this natural, instinctual messaging that our gut is telling us. We do so because we fear being accused of male insecurity, jealousy and not subscribing wholesale to the equalist idea that men and women are co-equal rational agents who’ve evolved past anything like our baser natures.
Yet here, with the benefit of Red Pill awareness, we can see a perfect example of a guy suppressing what his peripheral awareness is basically screaming at him. This woman has essentially verified his Beta status by his default willingness to forgive her Alpha Fucks indiscretions with few (if any) questions asked. That test failed, she now hopes he will actually get angry enough to break up with her. Again, test failed, as all of his efforts are directed towards his unconditional love and forgiveness.
Please, Break Up with Me!
This woman is vocally telling him “please, break up with me”, but even this is ignored and rationalized away in his Blue Pill conditioned mindset that tells him all they need is open communication to solve her Hypergamous equation. She literally tells him, “you don’t deserve the way I’ve treated you.” This is part of her medium, this is her subconscious attempting to tell his subconscious how and why she’s done what she has, but his Blue Pill conditioning has suppressed any hope of that message being translated to him. Bear in mind here, this isn’t necessarily a case of a woman being intentionally malicious. Often this process is one in which she is only playing out as a semi-aware actor of her Hypergamous subroutine.
I’ve had guys relate many similar story in the same vein as this one. In all of them there is a subconscious hope that a paired man which a woman’s Hypergamous instinct has designated as Beta will just get it and understand that she wants him to break up with her. This may be overt, but more often it’s subtle. She’ll leave clues, breadcrumbs, for him to follow that indicate her infidelity in the hopes that he’ll become angry and break up with her. Maybe its an open diary, or an open social media account, or maybe just small convenient absences that are out of the ordinary, but the trail is one her subconscious hopes her man will discover and react to.
There are many reasons for this. The principle one being she desires an easily acknowledged reason for her exit from that pairing. Even if she’s been unfaithful women maintain large social support networks that forgive them of their sins – and this primarily because her girlfriends are living out the same Hypergamous subroutines themselves. It becomes rationalized away, chalked up to her “journey of self-discovery”, not something she was proud of, but a necessary part of her life in becoming “who she really is.”
When this instinctual suppression is combined with Blue Pill deferral to women and their false assumption that communication is the key to solving all intersexual problems, then you get into this situation. One where that woman desperately wants a guy to get so pissed off that her drops the hammer and leaves her, like she’d expect any Alpha lover to do. However, his Beta disposition makes this hope for anger an impossibility and the very Blue Pill conditioning that made him so acceptable as a provider and a comfort makes her exiting the relationship impossible without her feeling some actual guilt for having to take the initiative to leave him.
And this is where real feminine guilt becomes unavoidable. She’s the one who has to kill the puppy because his Blue Pill conditioning wont allow for him to become angry enough to do it himself. This is where her real guilt and real resentment of him come into play for her. He’s too accommodating and to ready to rationalize away his forgiveness for her to avoid the bad feelings she’s hoped to engender in him.
sentients not monogamous tho
@blax Did they say why they thought they couldn’t contribute to the discussion? I’m surprised to hear they couldn’t recognize you from your writing. It’s very expressive. But I know from hearing a few of the commentators your talk, sometimes just hearing how a person has to say and in fact things as another element to the whole personality. Re: gps: I spent a bunch of time just losing myself in the woods this spring looking for morels. Navigated it just fine, though I had a phone with GPS in my back pocket just in case. I think that direction… Read more »
Thanks Em. I’m putting on the woading for the getup as we speak, all the best clubs have big costume events.
@IAS
Ya, I’ve done that before too. It works. But there’s a lot of ways to draw shit tests.
@all so a little addition to the FR from last night is that after I first met the black girl and she hugged me, left, and came back I shook her hand and introduced my self. I did the usual of letting my hand go more slack after we first shook — so she was free to take it back if she wanted. But she held it there for about 10 sec or so. @habd lol… but i will point out that those 40 yo girls do have daughters/daughters of friends/nieces/etc… girls are where you find them…lol… none of them… Read more »
YaReally- Thanks for the pep talk. I am going out to a party tonight. I went out last night but it was to a bar i go to all the time (which is a great bar but definitely has that everybody knows everybody dynamic- although it helps me to be social that lots of people know me too- nice to show up to a place solo and not be anonymous) -the place (and a second place I went) was less crowded than they usually are. I had great energy at the start and was talking to everybody, but then my… Read more »
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“Also, HABD’s comment about the sets you didn’t open – a potential wingman wanting help opening a group of girls – why not? Who cares if they’re white and YOU don’t like them, it’s still practice AND the black dude probably knows lots of black chicks you could meet and have social proof with if you befriended him.
Also, you could have fun blowing the girls’ minds by just blowing them out….’Nah, sorry. No, you’re great! I just don’t like white girls….it’s just a weird preference of mine….’ and see how they react.”
This is good advice.
@mersonia sentients not monogamous tho you don’t actually have to BE something to be able to talk about something you understand… he’s (OMG’s) talking about the QUALITY of the monogamy that you need to have to be able to pull off a long term marriage/LTR… not that he actually is monogamous… and IF you have that quality of ‘monogamy’ then it’s JUST a choice… YOUR (his) choice… good luck! —– @Forge good luck tonight! —– @hank no future projection. just had a fair amount of kino (handshake, pulling her back towards me, stroking her kneee and upper thigh, grabbing her… Read more »
Halloween dialogue…
Her: How come you didn’t get dressed up for Halloween?
Me: I did…can’t you tell?
Her: No you didn’t…
Me: Under all these clothes I’m dressed in my birthday suit.
Her: OMG!
I needed this latest blog entry. Sometimes it’s not enough to be aware of the duplicitous\self serving nature of women. It must also be reinforced with examples and detailed explanations, so as to understand the myriad ways the female mind works.
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Jesus Christ, is this food fight going to go on forever? @Sentient, Blax and Scray – You guys are being total dicks to each other and are reducing your standing in this community by being such catty bitches. That would be no issue if we didn’t have a larger audience and purpose here to think about. At the risk of being melodramatic, we have lots of newbs coming here every month. Given Rollo’s traffic numbers, there are likely at least hundreds, if not thousands, of new men arriving here each month to learn about the Red Pill. And what do… Read more »
I’m sorry folks. Been on both sides of this coin. She’s still with the other dude. But she’s too beta to just leave him. She’s trying to make him leave so that she can feel better about herself. When she leaves early and comes back late she’s banging the other dude. Now she’s sexually addicted to him and doesn’t want her boyfriend to touch her. It’s something he’ll learn later after the coast is clear. Eventually she’ll break down and tell him that he’s been replaced when she finds the nerve or she simply can’t stand the sight of him.… Read more »
@scribblerg
Take me. I cannot seem to get “right”. My neurology is frazzled and getting worse. I’ve been researching PTSD and it gets worse as you age, and mine is getting worse. I can’t maintain high status or value nonstop. I actually could use some help at this point in my life, lol.
i’m glad to see you are still fighting the good fight… have you tried EMDR?… i had some ‘issues’ and that helped me… and how’s your diet?…do you have that dialed in?
good luck!
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scribblerg But…That is useless for young men in today’s world. I have a unique POV on this too cuz I’m out there hitting on the young hotties, and through my “long game” am actually having sex with a 28yo hottie, my HB9. While I would not lay out my game as an example to anyone, I’ve managed to work it with her and a bunch of other younger women in various ways. I also game young women WITH THE INTENT TO FUCK THEM constantly. I just don’t think you OMGs are seeing what I’m seeing. Just one example now. Even… Read more »
@ScribblerG I think that those are some good thoughts and are on par with your general excellent commentary. TL;DR: However, guys will be guys. I would not like to Defend, Explain, Excuse and Rationalize (Robert Glover’s DEER) OMG’s actions in comments here, but I would say that they are a natural extension of the alpha mindset. Take me. I learned a new set of male behaviors in the last three years. No one ever told me this shit before, but I had a need and a desire to improve as a man for my sexual strategy. And I looked into… Read more »
“One of the principal traits in the Alpha male is his ability to open himself up and easily establish contact with other individuals – both men and women – He is good in structuring opportunities, both for himself and for others.” Note how some commenters have actually opened themselves up in the past. And how Sentient has actually exhorted some others to do so with the purpose of structuring opportunities for himself and others. Tremendous opportunities have been had for all by guys opening themselves up here. ScribblerG and Blaximus (his failures) being prime examples. Having an open heart sounds… Read more »
I went to a big intra-state rivalry football game all day tail-gaiter today.
Had a delightful time. Looking at Yoga Pants. Which are the epitome of Open-Hypergamy-Shit-Testing ever on college campuses for young men. Right there all on display. If I was younger and had higher testosterone, I probably couldn’t have contained wood in my pants.
Message to young men? Step up your Game. Follow what YaReally and Scray are adept at discussing.
The most annoying thing about the comment section is all the wannabe alphas\PUAs clogging up board with their “pat” answers and stories of conquest and plate spinning.
If you really are that good what are you doing on here? You’ve obviously got nothing to learn and the advice you give is a little too perfect, for the rest of us to replicate.
@SFC Ton Oct 24 6:30pm, this post is a gem. Luckily it’s near the top, so I don’t have to wade through a ton (no pun intended) of rubbish to find it.
@forge @habd @yareally @culum FR As usual, feel bad and very tired. Exhausted really from lack of sleep. So earlier in the day I went out to try and find a judge wig and dry erase board so I could judge people. Couldn’t find it. Was at mall I usually go to, when the 8 from waaay long ago walked past me. She’s the one I talked to for about 10 min, made her work to guess my name and teased the shit out of her when she couldn’t guess it…then rejected her when she said she didn’t eat bacon… Read more »
Well it’s after 3 am here so I’ll just tl;dr it for now. Great night. Lots of sets, learned a lot. People are suuuper unininhibited later on, a good number of girls opened me – which bears home how often THEY suffer from AA too. It’s easy to forget that. My basic takeaway is I need to get better at working group dynamics. There were like….3-4 girls (that I was interested in) that I could have likely taken home or at least solid #closed were it not for group dynamics and logistics. Another takeaway was venue selection; I went to… Read more »
@forge @habd @culum @yareally FR part 2 okay, more stuff from this past night since there was a lot that night. Firstly, some of the good stuff. I opened the most people ever. I opened everyone, don’t think it was quite a hundred but it was a shit ton. I couldn’t really open people as they passed…mostly because it was too loud and people didn’t really move around too much — like I said I was the only person in the club that jumped around from person to person. But I bounced around and opened just about everyone there at… Read more »
@forge
will look into that herbal thing. think i may have sleep apnea, since no matter how much I sleep I am always still tired. however it might help, for days like right now, when I can’t really go to sleep at all.
@Sentient – Great feedback and commentary, thanks. My “complaint” is the style of argument, not the argument itself. In fact, it’s a very productive argument. Your reply exemplified the style of engagement I’d like to see more of, until your closing comment. “[PS if any lurking guys are concerned over some back and forth… relax. Men are confrontational and even violent… some can even have a drink after…]” That’s the dickhead, talking down to snark I was referring to. None of us here need to be reminded that men are a bit rough and tumble, Sentient. But you and Scray… Read more »
@SJF – As usual, your commentary is not snarky but long, lol. Fucking great stuff. Yeah, just like you I’m working the greater alpha/lesser beta thing in my own way too. Contrast that with what Scray or Ya are doing though, and I think we shortcut ourselves to the central point of disagreement. Note in my response to Sentient my claim that today Beta game is suicide for a young man in today’s SMP. Whereas given the social/cultural setting of the past, Beta game had a lot more traction. Your larger points are very well made, as always. And yeah,… Read more »
@Hank From personal experience here: Consider- intentionally- not being negative walking into something. “just knew Halloween was going to be a fucking grind. I hate being right.” Tells me you walked out your front door expecting a grind… Looking for a grind. Guess what you found? Took me months to reprogram the initial negative bias I had approaching things. To this day, the old pathways in my head are easy to travel… “Well this is gonna suck…” Whenever that happens, I force myself to define the positive I will be looking to get from it. Sounds a little hippy-new-agey, but… Read more »
Pathetic FR: Went out alone late last night – my wing moved to Ohio, need to find a new one. First club had a line and every women in it was a 5 or less, fatties and uggos. I went to a burger joint that stays open late and usually has a lot of young hotties but that was not the case. Walked around town a bit, but the entire vibe of the town was dead as it had rained and was cold up here. It’s also true that a lot of the college students are at house parties, and… Read more »
@Scribblerg I keep trying to rethink what I should say to you. I want you to be well. I wouldn’t give in to “your condition” as a handle. Not having anything to fall back on might be causing you anxiety. So you’re probably going to feel better if you knew no matter what, you’d be alright. Something I do whenever I experience an emotion seemingly out of nowhere is I ask myself, “what am I feeling” and “why am I feeling it” and as a result I now have basically telepathy. People are negative, that shit can turn you off… Read more »
@scrib, I feel your pain on work and anxiety. Alomost certainly my pain is not the same as yours, you have chewed dirt that I don;t even know the smell of but I too deal with anxiety issues. I started my own business back in 2003 as I knew I could not really work for other people in an office environment and get along well for extended periods of time. I work for other people to the extent that I have clients but I don’t have to subsume my own character to their corporate culture, so I retain that. As… Read more »
@Yollo – Thx. I take a big risk sharing this all here cuz if you don’t have mental illness, it’s very easy to see this through the lens of normal psychology/neurology. I had PTSD by the time I was 8, the rock climbing fall in 2003 put it on steroids. I recently went to see an MD about it and he shrugged, it gets worse as you get into your 50s. I’ve tried all the standard meds, can’t tolerate Zoloft (gives me panic attacks) and Lexapro only helps me to stop wanting to kill myself. It’s like a last resort… Read more »
@Agent P – That was some great insight and advice. Thank you. Damn, i love this community…I’m not sure where I’d be without it. Okay, I’m going to go take on the day – I’ll check in later and see what other gems men here offer.
Tachyphylaxis The law of diminishing returns is easy to understand, no? Physiologically, medicine has a limited character, looses it effectiveness and usefulness with increasing doses. Consider a speed-limited car. It accelerates linearly with your foot to a point. Then no more. That’s tachyphylaxis. More medicine (gas, sex, game) works til it doesn’t. What do we do then? We’re doomed or we change strategies. Dateline: Yesterday afternoon Dragged the missus through a particularly beautiful 5 mile forest/glen run. 60 degrees, I listen to my music. I’ve learned not to talk to her, I run ahead quite a distance, essentially ignore her,… Read more »
@hank props on getting out the door… this shit ain’t easy by any stretch, buuut… you really can make it harder on yourself than it needs to be… couple points… first, the major one…. Jesus christ. I just knew Halloween was going to be a fucking grind. I hate being right. there really is such a thing as self-fulfilling prophecy… it’s like when you get a new jacket/car/whatever, and then notice that they are EVERYWHERE… and you never noticed before… that works the same for everything… even seeing ‘f*king grinds’… second, minor one… girls are where you find them…lol… you… Read more »
Wife, only just, frenches me in the laundry room. My burden of performance.
@scribblerg When I take on my business seriously and work hard, my anxiety sky rockets. My work is super high pressure in terms of the results I’m accountable for, and I’m just not sure I can be healthy and do it. I don’t have anything to fall back on, so yeah, this is pretty scary shit for me. i’ve had some ‘issues’ like this, in a similar situ, and daily ‘mindfulness’ practice seemed to help a lot… and i still use it when i need to… the lag time for me is a couple weeks though… so not a fast… Read more »
Albert Einstein and Niels Bohr engaged in an infamous and bitter public feud over quantum theory that lasted more than a decade. It came to an end when Einstein wrote a letter to Bohr which simply said, “Thank you for proving me wrong.” It may not be recognized as such by the general public, but there is a level of comity that underlay that feud. Richard Feynman first met Hans Bethe when Bethe presented a talk at Los Alamos. Feynman, who at the time was a promising young man, but still just a doctoral candidate, responded to the talk with,… Read more »
I had a bad night last night…actually worse Friday…got blown out by 50 in a row…lol, I’m totally lying…I just have a cold and stayed home (insert frown here). Didn’t want to hack all over people. Peas and carrots.
i’ve found that focusing on the positive really helps to do that…
That’s worth repeating…
i’ve found that focusing on the positive really helps to do that…
Go to your happy place ™ whenever Debbie Downer comes to visit.
Burden of performance
Paradox
Humor
Change
http://www.johnwebster.galeon.com/Ovid%20-%20Art%20Of%20Love%20pdf.pdf
@ scrib Man, you don’t know how much I want to say something to you right now that will not come off as a platitude. I’m not smart enough to do so. So, I will speak to you from the heart and hope that you get my meaning. Since becoming aware of you here at TRM, you have been making steady, painful progress. It’s evident to everyone here that reads your words over the years. Your honesty in sharing is helpful to many guys here, including myself. It’s hard to fully grasp what you are going through 100%, but through… Read more »
Cosign with Blaximus
Reading your work on yourself is amazing and it’s in point. Your the most hard working online person I’ve read on this blog. Each time you keep pushing ahead. Life isn’t meant to be easy but it’s purpose is to be lived according to your story. Your story is interesting and at times very funny. Other times familiar in how sad it can be. But your attitude is immensely interesting. You keep pushing yourself.
HABD, Blax, Rugby et al – Thanks! Yeah, I’ve run up against my limits and am very frustrated. I went for a long walk today and really let all this shit wash over me and come up. Here’s what I found. I’ve lost the motivation. While I have an anxiety condition and it can certainly go free form on its own, in this case it’s not. It’s existential. I just don’t see a happy ending for me, and I get that’s because fundamentally I’ve given up. You guys know me, and sure, I’ve got a lot of reasons to give… Read more »
@Scribblerg: you don’t need motivation, you need discipline.
In a more positive moment, you told yourself you will do it (at those positive moments you know it is worth doing). Now you have to stick with it, through negative moments.
Discipline and willpower, even if the negativity saps your motivation.
@forge @culum @habd @yareally FR Had a quick nap, went out again. Bookstore. There is an Asian 8 reading a book at the cafe. Last time I had a good sunday I saw a asian 8 at the bookstore. Cafe is in middle of store, up on a platform, separated by a railing. I approached her across the railing…but this was kinda gamey So this time, I went up into the cafe, and walked past her. I looked back and asked “hey, were you at that costume party in x city the other day?” “no I wasn’t” sat next to… Read more »
@ scrib I heard you on the C-PTSD thing. I read about that years ago and it resonates with me extremely well. “I’m ashamed to admit it. I’m not able to motivate myself to be my best self, just for me. Fuck.” This is like quicksand. The more you struggle against your issues the more they’ll pull you in. This is where the “Alpha Up” thing can backfire. You feel like you’re supposed to pull yourself out of this abyss and then when you fail to do so you feel even worse. Can’t think of anything else to say at… Read more »
Scribblerg
I am trudging the road of happy destiny.
Did you hear about the guy with an inferiority complex?
He came to the realization that he truly is inferior,now it is no longer so complex.
@stuffinbox
This is true, I’d follow it up with something else though. Maybe a reminder that game, while Freud and Jung used it to fuck themselves into money, is simply necessary to learn so you can be positively masculine in a world that thwarts it’s own understanding of our true, and noble male nature.
@roy hobbs @habd From personal experience here: Consider- intentionally- not being negative walking into something. “just knew Halloween was going to be a fucking grind. I hate being right.” Tells me you walked out your front door expecting a grind… Looking for a grind. Guess what you found? I’ve found that girls are generally turned off by repeated or lingering negativity. In the spirit of YaReally- I think it affects your subcomms. Don’t agree. You’ve got, just over the past few days, the black girl that was all up on me as soon as she saw me, the cougars, the… Read more »
@IAS – Discipline, not my strong suit. I’m a bit mercurial and am fine with that, but i think you make a good point.
Any suggestions on how to improve?
Yollo
When you are fortunate enough to have survived 53 winters and become a member of the geritol crew,you will understand the meaning of trudge and that scribb is already a master of the game.You will also know the acceptance of physical inferiority.
@scribblerg HABD, Blax, Rugby et al – Thanks! you are welcome… you know why i help you, right? (besides the fact that i try to ‘give back’ to men on the other side of the screens in general, bc of the help i got…) i recognize that if my life’s ball had taken even a slightly different bounce, that i could easily have been a high achieving type a asshole…with all the attendant mid-50s BP failure trappings… instead of a beaten down aspy outcast with adhd…lol… hmmm, who does that sound like?… lol… that’s RIGHT!!!… YOU!!!…lol… so i’m just giving… Read more »
@scribblerg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osWQuPtvRlQ In fact the channel is my favorite on youtube because its fun and its about the self (You) away from your ego. “The SEALFIT athlete demonstrates the following traits, distinct from the sport athlete: Must work at near peak output for very long periods of time, with unknown periods of rest. Must be prepared for the known AND equally prepared for the unknown. Does not always have access to a gym and the “proper” training tools Is not competing to win, but to survive and accomplish a mission that can have life, death or strategic consequences well beyond… Read more »
@ scrib @ HABD HABD made the points I wanted to make while I was still formulatin’. It’s not reasonable for anyone to be motivated at all times. I agree with HABD about your mind. You operate on a different level with very little braking involved. That is a double edged sword, but if that is you, then you kinda have to own it without it owning you, if that makes sense. Every once in a while, it’s necessary to just stop thinking and stop doing. For a while anyway. I do this often because I have a tendency to… Read more »
@ rugby11
Good stuff you posting up man.
@ Forge ” Did they say why they thought they couldn’t contribute to the discussion? I’m surprised to hear they couldn’t recognize you from your writing. It’s very expressive. But I know from hearing a few of the commentators your talk, sometimes just hearing how a person has to say and in fact things as another element to the whole personality.” My boys followed some of ” The Discussion ” at my invite. I asked for them to give me their opinions on what they were reading. They all understood the principle of the thing, but agreed that it was… Read more »
Alright I’m staying in tonight to recoup, I feel like I’m on the edge of some virus and have work tomorrow. Hitting some magic supplements. That’s the price ya pay for staying out till 3 making out w girls lol. I’ll see if I can go out a bit again tomorrow. @hank: great job getting out per usual. I’ll write in more detail later but my general observation is that your frustration with night game is common at first, your skills with daygame are better and improving, and even though the bars are frustrating rather than fruitful at this point… Read more »
I’ve actually used Phenibut to reduce AA before lol. Helps, and lacks the side-effects of alcohol.
I rarely drink when I’m sarging. It’s too engaging.
@Em
Oh noooo, you were the buzzkill girl?! Lol, the mother hens ruined SO much fun for me and the girls last night. Literal finger-wagging, smother-hug-to-drag-away, mother hens ‘protecting’ their friends from the guys they desperately wanted to interact with. “She’s drunk!!” Nooo, she had a drink and met a cool guy and was starting to LOVE his hands on her waist before you got here…
But ya, it didn’t look like they were having much fun. Did your girls get out of line?
Hey ya think Mitch got laid yet?
@Sentient, Scribblerg Thank you for your responses. I’ve been digesting them and avoiding replying until I understood what you were saying and had time to prepare a proper response. I have been reading TRM and other RP stuff for over a year now, and that definitely helped illuminate your points. @Sentient 1. Believe it is real. Even if you do not trust the advice, first go DO IT and then reflect… Too many guys just make excuses and never execute as a result. Fully implemented. I have some experience taking the actions as described and getting the results as advertised.… Read more »
@scribblerg: Cosign with others have offered: fuck acedia in the ass.
@Scribblerg: I’m not too sure how to develop discipline, maybe others can comment on this? You can try to set with yourself to do a specific token effort *regularly*. Don’t allow yourself to second guess that self-agreement in the moment. You have to trust your past self for knowing what was best for you, even if in the present moment you don’t want to do it. To defeat the inertia of staying at home, create an inertia of going out – that way it will require your effort to stop, whereas right now the effort is to start. Create a… Read more »
@Yareally, FR – total non starter. Got sick, shits, fever, snot. Whole weekend. Feeling like 50% today, but only thing I get to do tonight is trick or treat with kids in a neighborhood. Pissed I missed everything I had planned on doing. Happy that I chatted up some girls the few weeks leading up to it though. Life can be an AMOG sometimes.
@Scribblerg, “IT’S ALL GOOD!” Because, one day, it’s all nothing.
@scrib
The bad news? It’s like I look at the “burden of performance” and say, fuck it, I’m not worth it. Uhh, now what???
Find a fun buddy who will stick with you and nag you ceaselessly to go out with him.
Scribbler
This one is for you.
[youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOoTfXa5TBI&w=560&h=315%5D
Quick note:
Watched 30″ of David Blaine’s YouTube early street magic stuff (bite the quarter) with kids yesterday. Understanding it’s selectively edited, he chooses the best candidates,….
his delivery is nice. Calm, leading, not pushy, enticing, almost a sexual, mystic quality to it.
Told my oldest to note this. Blaine’s first approach is straight forward, the fix is in almost immediately and plays with women. The 20-somethings babes stand hypnotized, dizzy or freaky melt down with fear of his power.
Cool. Cool, cool, cool.
Zhu Wuneng Nice! You got this… good luck. Look forward to the FR’s… EhIntellect – that Blaine stuff is pretty awesome… If you like that you might like this too The Structure of Magic, Vol. 1: A Book About Language and Therapy which is an intro to some more “magic”… Hank But last night especially I stayed out for hours and bounced around for lots of venues… This is what doing the WORK is all about… and this is how you know, And there’s just the physical grind…I have huge blisters on my feet now from walking so much Much… Read more »
hey rugby11- which ones of these did you like the best?
rugby11
October 29, 2016 at 4:04 pm
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@ sentient. Will do. A book is a commitment lately.Books take about 4 months in fits and spurts. Speaking of spurts, this weekend made me think of this: “Lazar Greenfield, M.D. is no ordinary surgeon. Until last week, he was the president-elect of the American College of Surgeons. The man is the inventor of the Greenfield Filter, a device that has saved countless lives as a means of preventing blood clots during surgery.” “Dr. Greenfield noted the therapeutic effects of semen, citing research from the Archives of Sexual Behavior which found that female college students practicing unprotected sex were less… Read more »
“Do condomless-sexually active women covertly desire their mates more?”
Yes.
Also overtly.
@scribblerg ok, i’ve been thinking (and that’s always dangerous… for me anyway…lol… mostly bc i usually have another insight into ‘me’…lol)… so, i thought about your situ last night and let my brain process while i slept, and i think i have a pretty good handle on the problem… you had some severe childhood trauma… that shit gets ‘stored and ‘ignored” when you are a kid, bc kids can’t process that shit…and it builds over time… they simply do not have the developed capacity to do so (= c-ptsd…) (that shit is hard enough for fully actualized adults to pull… Read more »
I went out on Saturday. I talked to a lot of people. Everybody was super friendly and wants to be in a good mood, so you can just say the stupidest shit and it is all good. An actually club with lots of party goers works best. I basically asked lots of people what their costume was. Not great, but better than I usually do. My costume was pretty stupid and obscure, but a bunch of people told me “great costume” or pretended to know who I was. LOL. you can just say that to anybody, but how is someone… Read more »
@EhIntellect
Earlier in this comments thread I mentioned in response to your FR’s:
“For those following along at home, this is when you don’t DEER, (or Defend Explain, Excuse, or Rationalize from Robert Glover’s NMMNG.
And also where you use tactics from WISNIFG by Manuel Smith. Fogging and Broken Record.”
In regards to LTR relationship game blogger Stonepimpletilist is really putting out some good stuff on married red pill reddit and his own blog.
Here are two good ones on the topic of not DEERing and keeping Frame.
http://stonepimpletilists.blogspot.ca/2016/10/decisions.html
http://stonepimpletilists.blogspot.ca/2016/07/what-did-you-think-she-was-going-to-do.html
@ anon
Thus certain sexual pairings/practices have an LTR and plate-spinning advantage.
@scrib, new book for you, Grit, the power of passion and perseverance. Angela Duckworth. Actually this could required reading for any RP man. It lays waste to the idea that the path to the top in any field is just talent, it speaks to our biases around talent, and how statistically speaking, just plain working really hard and with constant conviction is by far the best predictor of success and excellence in most fields. So for all those guys out there slugging away opening sets, working #closes etc, keep at it, it will in short order put you head and… Read more »
I should say:
Thus, all else being equal, condomless sexual pairings have an LTR and plate-spinning advantage.
re: smoking and T levels I’m a big proponent of whole leaf tobacco. I only smoke occasionally these days, and every time I make a cigarette, I take individual tobaccos I’ve shredded and custom blend them for that particular cigarette. Usually a good pinch of Turkish, a good pinch of Virginia, a very small pinch of Burley and literally half a single strip of Perique (sometimes – that stuff is very strong and peppery). When you mix all the shredded tobacco together by hand you never get an even mix. I also smoke a lot less when I make up… Read more »
re: discipline I take supplements in the morning on an empty stomach. Water soluble. Jump rope/bag work/shadowboxing/some form of interval training soon after. Even a 15 minute workout on the gym rings can be very intense. I try to get those in at least 4-5 days a week. I have an Olympic bar that I clean, because I have no rack, and do front squats with once in a while. I have coffee a couple times a day and that’s where my other powdered supplements go. It’s all part of the routine. Working out is one of the best things… Read more »
@Scribbler, HABD and Agent P See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gumption_trap (Note also the many supporting links in the original article.) Gumption Trap A gumption trap is an event or mindset that can cause a person to lose enthusiasm and become discouraged from starting or continuing a project. The word “gumption” denotes a combination of commonsense, shrewdness, and a sense of initiative. Although the last of these traits is the primary victim of the “gumption trap,” the first two suffer indirectly in that a reduction in initiative results in a reduction in constructive activity and therefore inhibits one’s development of the first two… Read more »
On a side note, further to my words to Scribs about handing off some of his responsibilities in the realm of professional work to some kind of understudy it got me to thinking. Specifically I was thinking about my relationship with my father and my son. In many ways I have to admit, I am very lucky in that I get to work with my father quite frequently in my day job, and also my sporting passion. We are both designers and we team up on a fair number of projects. He is in the twilight of his career and… Read more »
@SJF,
How the fuck can you see so clearly inside my head from that kind of distance?
@ Agent P
Beautiful testimony.
You got me thinking…the TRM creedo “Improve yourself first” is just another way of saying “Improve yourself first…because we expect you to hand this torch off to someone else too.”
See one. Do one. Teach one.
“I like men who have a future and women who have a past.”
― Oscar Wilde
sfer
https://ontherapyaspse.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/geoffrey-miller-the-mating-mind.pdf
@EhIntellect “Only 5 percent of the ejaculate is sperm. What’s left is seminal plasma, which is a rich concoction of chemicals, including many that have the potential to produce mood-altering effects derived from hormones, neurotransmitters, and endorphins.” “The presence of follicle stimulating hormone and leutenizing hormone in semen, implies that semen exposure has the potential to promote induced ovulation. How can someone be asked to resign for citing a peer-reviewed paper? Dr. Greenfield was forced to resign based on politics, not evidence.” next up on the FI spin-o-rama?… a new DMS category! sluts as addicts… lol… to alpha stud semen…… Read more »
https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2016/10/31/pride-of-ownership/
“You can be fired for RP . . . Getting fired doesn’t abolish RP.”
So, once up against it, make them fire you while speaking your RP mind. It’s not like by resigning you are protecting your job and resignation is confession of guilt, so you are not protecting your reputation either.
Once accused you have nothing left to lose. You are free, if you can tolerate freedom.
Sperm banks market their product quality based on objective characteristics as financial and physical metrics. What’s the genotype of and Alpha, and are there typical Alpha phenotypes?
We all know successful, handsome dudes…who are abject Betas living desire-devoid relationships. Sexy-son hypothesis is just part of “just getting it”.
Alpha is a mindset, not a demographic.
https://therationalmale.com/2011/10/20/alpha/
There are, however, various biological factors which influence mindset.
@kfg
I’m fairly replaceable as a widget OTJ. You’d think I should watch my ass (mouth) or I’d be sent packing.
OTJ RP is doable, and IMO a public service. Tact and strategy is the watchword; both deliberation and consistency make a guy a curiosity. Co-workers ask, “Why does he get to say that (and I’m too scared of my job loss to try)?” or “That’s just him (we know he’s right)”, “Why doesn’t he give a care (‘cuz everyone else is in a low-grade panic, depression, self-hatred).
@kfg
Just hypothesizing, ya know. If there was an agreeable set of metrics, then populations could be big-data tested for them…and then sperm banks and other desirous entities would pay handsome fortunes for these lucky fellas.
I mean “agreed upon”
“If there was an agreeable set of metrics, then populations could be big-data tested for them…”
If you can find it you’ll make a fortune selling it to the horse breeders. Functional breeding practices for physical traits not only predates knowledge of genetics, but history, by several thousand years, but they have yet to discover a way to breed for the mindset that makes champions.
I was thinking more EEG patterns, cerebral neuroconductivity speed, neurotransmitter concentrations, brain A & P and scanning and then cross them with actual the Alpha tells. Makes for good sci-fi until we crack that code.
If you have an EEG machine, everything looks like a brain scan.
I predict that if they do all that, simple observation of the Alpha tells will prove more accurate.
@EhIntellect, did you see my previous comment directed at you? @EhI I don’t know if you saw one of YaReally’s comments, but it basically used an analogy of en EKG readout. Provide a woman with a stable house = flat line. Never argue with her = flatline. Make sure everyone in the house is happy = flatline, etc, etc. They need the good highs and the bad lows to get the emotional EKG roller coaster ride they crave. All these good betas out their busting their asses everyday so that everything in their home runs smoothly (ie emotional flat line),… Read more »
Yes! Repeated it to my son in another conversation about popular movies. All the best stories are one’s of highs and lows. I loved it and I hope there’s no patent pending on it
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hero%27s_journey
@EhIntellect, cool, how about the heartiste article “Relationship Game Week – Dave From Hawaii” post? That is what got me to swallow the red pill and eventually find this place.
habd to scribblerg so, what do you do when that happens in an operating system?… serious question, bc i’ve never designed/or troubleshot an operating system…lol It can be called “priority inversion”. A lower priority system call grabs all the machine resources while a higher priority process can’t get access, in a bad case this results in system deadlock. Total system freezeup. People do this too in trivial and not so trivial ways. The other day I saw a small econobox rear-end a truck, just ….bam. Turned out the ditzy high school girl driving the car was too busy futzing with… Read more »
@ newly aloof From Dave from Hawaii “…no man should ever choose to take the couch.” I have forever said ” Well, I’m off to my man cave…my whole fucking house.” “I never kiss my woman in front of people, and I rarely hold her hand or cuddle or snuggle or any of that other intimacy behaviors in front of other people…even good friends we are absolutely comfortable with. ” I’ll pull the missus off to the side a a party, kinda pin entrap her with my arms on the wall and powerup my desire, I do it probably 1-2x… Read more »