The Unbearable Rightness of Being Female

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The following post quote has been making the rounds in professional circles. It’s from Sallie Krawcheck, CEO of Ellevest, an investment firm dedicated to helping women with financial investment (no jargon, no ‘playing’ stocks for sport, no mansplaining, you got this). She’s also the “chair” of Elevate Network, a global professional women’s network. I’m adding this here to make a later point, but it’s important to understand how normalized it’s become for women to create a sexually exclusionary organization for women who will simultaneously complain about men’s sexism for not accommodating their (presumably successful) business culture to the interests of women. More on that later.

I thought I’d riff on this click-bait for, I assume, professional women because I expect we’ll see more of this prefabricated outrage in the coming years as a response to what will undoubtedly be the suffering of the Trump era in America. I’ll be the first to admit I was surprised by Trump’s win, but the denial of the First Female President® into the White House will be the cause du jour for every jilted woman who believes she’s a “professional”. Even if Clinton had won the mainstream would’ve been inundated with how ‘we still have a long way to go’ stories, however, with Trump in the Presidency the same tired narrative of systemic male sexism will get reinvigorated in the coming years.

From, A Letter to young women, in the age of Trump:

When I was your age, I thought it was over. My mother was a feminist, so I wanted to call myself anything but a feminist. And anyway, I seemed pretty welcome at work. Even though it was Wall Street, my analyst class was about a third women. We weren’t just on our way — we’d arrived.

But then…there were the inappropriate pictures left on my desk. The guy miming a sex act when my back was turned. I wasn’t given the great assignments; the more senior woman I worked with was likewise dismissed as “lightweight” (and, lest you think that might have been true, that woman was Safra Catz, now the co-President of Oracle). Then the women started to fall away in their 30s…more in their 40s. But the worst of it, I thought was over.

And now Trump has made it clear to everyone that the battle for us women is not over.

In femopshere there will always be an ‘us’. As I’ve outline in many prior essays, the Sisterhood will always take precedence above religion, politics, personal conviction and even family affiliations for women. Largely this is due to women’s evolved propensity for collectivism among their own sex. In our hunter gatherer beginnings women had an interdependent need for collective support for keeping tribal cohesion as well as child rearing.

This intrasexual collective support has carried over into what’s become the Sisterhood today. If you look at the interactions of young girls and their social group interdependence you begin to see that nascent tribal collectivism naturally come through. In terms of larger societal scope this collectivity becomes about acknowledging a shared experience of an imagined oppression by men. Between all women there is a gestalt understanding of “the plight of women” and a presumption of an endemic sexism no matter how culturally or socioeconomically dissimilar those women are.

As I mentioned, Trump is now a universal icon of that presumption of sexism and oppression. Granted, it could’ve been any man who displaced a woman in the history books, but the fall back presumption is that whoever ‘he’ is, he becomes emblematic of a ready narrative of sexism irrespective of merit. We presume sexism, we presume a guy would mime a sex act behind a woman’s back and leave ‘inappropriate’ pictures on a woman’s desk despite decades of workplace harassment legislation. We believe it because it sounds right; it sounds like something a typical sexist guy would do.

I can’t stop thinking about this and what we can / should do:

Remember that gender bias in the workplace is not a thing of the past. I’m sorry if I didn’t act when I should have. I thought we had left sexism behind us by the time I was in more senior roles. After all, we had complaint hotlines and diversity plans and requirements for diverse slates of candidates for every job. But now I’m remembering one of the members of the senior leadership team who would kiss younger women on the cheek at the beginning of meetings. Creepy, right? I now wonder what was being said when I wasn’t in that room.

What’s creepy is that in spite of years in a professional field that’s been the domain of men she’s just now remembering this fact. Would it have been less creepy if he’d kissed only his age-appropriate women on his leadership team? Professional women’s default presumption is that it is always sexism that is holding them back from breaking through a mythologized ‘glass ceiling’, but as is women’s solipsism, their first thought is that their problems are caused by externalities. Never is there an insight that they may simply lack the skills or that they don’t perform at their peak in a job they were told should be rewarding to them.

Gender biases will never be a thing of the past because to suggest they ever might be so is to presume a default state of egalitarian equality between the sexes. The gender biases in the workplace are most evident in the peer selection and peer evaluations of women – not some secret group of guys getting together in a private office room to expressly talk about a their co-workers’ tits.

As it stands in today’s modern office men are scared shitless every time they are called to cooperate with a woman on work projects for fear of being accused of sexism or harassment:

“In a lawsuit-happy culture, where claims can be made on a ‘he said/she said’ basis, men are now trying to ensure their actions are always covered by a third party witness”

“The terror of being accused of sexual harassment is now so common it has its own term, ‘backlash stress”

There’s a reason HR departments are largely staffed by women, because they want to be positioned in a way that they can execute policy. HR departments no longer exist to serve the company with regards to employees, rather they exist in order to protect that company from lawsuits and enforce feminine-primary conditions in the workplace.

Ask tough questions, and call the guys out when necessary. I recently asked my best guy friend: “Do guys really talk like Donald Trump and Billy Bush behind closed doors?” His response: “No, but…” And the “but” was that the conversations are more along the lines of: “Boy, she has great legs,” or “she’s a looker” or “Whew. Wouldn’t touch her with a ten-foot pole.” When I asked him how he responded to this, he said he didn’t say anything; after all, he has to work with these folks.

But so do we. And breaking us down to our body parts or our appearance dehumanizes us in some way. Maybe it’s only in some small way. But it’s clear that for some years, we (and by we, I mean I) were likely too complacent about the inevitability of gender progress in the workplace and relaxed perhaps just a bit too much.

It’s funny and irreverent when all the girls in the office get together for drinks or a male revue strip show after work, but it’s dehumanizing when men do the same. I’ve known very few men who would ever comment on a woman’s anatomy in a workplace environment. I have known men who would scold other men for staring a little too long at a female co-worker. I have known women to actively flirt with guys and wear inappropriate outfits to get attention from them. I’ve known women who’ve called me and other men I’ve worked with their “work husbands”.

I’ve worked in the liquor and casino promotion businesses for two decades now. I see some pretty wild behavior on the part of women who are not unlike the poor victimized dears Krawcheck describes going to work on Monday mornings.

The modern workplace culture has conditioned men for fear of women thanks largely to strict codes of conduct, but also because these men have been raised from birth to be dutiful Betas and White Knights who look for every opportunity to correct a ‘typical man’ for his sexist and rude behaviors. They look for these backroom boys clubs where women are rated on their looks so as to expose their heinous misogyny and institutionalized sexism, but they are disappointed when they don’t actually find it. So instead they contribute to an atmosphere of fear in some lame form of Beta Game they hope will be recognized and rewarded for by workplace women.

If you’re in a bad work situation, it’s ok to quit. So many women think that it’s a “failure” if you quit your job; and you know how hard we females take failure. But sometimes it’s not us: it’s them.

I recently left the board of a non-profit that I LOVE. I had been on it for years (and years). At nearly every meeting I asked how much we were spending on our investment managers, in comparison to the return we were getting. Meeting after meeting I was told that the answer was complex, it was hard to calculate, it would take a lot of work – and why did it matter anyway? It was really the net returns that matter, regardless of how much we paid for them. And then, last spring, before I could bring up the topic, one of the men did; and all the other guys eagerly agreed with him, that we need to keep an eye on fees because those are really all we can control.

I quit the next week.

Life is too short, and I can have a lot more impact with the week-a-year I get back instead of being ignored in meetings.

I know not everyone is in the position to quit; I wasn’t earlier in my career. So the onus is also on those of us who are more senior to be more supportive of women who leave these situations. I am hopeful that an outcome of this election will be greater understanding of this.

If it had been a woman who’d made the same suggestion would we be hearing about this? Shit like this happens all the time in the workplace. One reason The 48 Laws of Power resonated with men so well is because it was relatable to exactly this kind of situation. Law 7: Get others to do the work for you, but always take the credit for it yourself. Sallie sees this as sexism because it happened to be a guy who pulled it on her, but would she have quit the non-profit had it been a woman who outplayed her?

This is the reality of even the most seemingly benign of companies. They are defined by the interplay of power dynamics, but when women are bested in it the sexism narrative is ready on standby to comfort and explain their failure. So it becomes OK to quit, because the environment is always sexist. The business environment is one defined by competition and this grates on women’s expectation of it to be cooperative and collective. Women like Sallie expect recognition for merit, but wish for things to be easier rather than developing the skills to play the game better.

Get yourself a senior, successful – preferably female – mentor, who can help you navigate the politics of your company. This includes the gender politics. Can’t find one on your own? Speak to HR about helping you find one; this is their job, after all.

Your company doesn’t have a senior, successful female? Get the hell out of there.

Really the only sexism I’m seeing in this piece has been one coming from and endorsed by Krawcheck. She bemoans a lack of gender equity and then suggests a female mentor would be preferable to a male one. Her sexism is blatant here – the only definition of a solid reputable company is one that ensures it has a senior, successful female in it. Since most HR departments are staffed primarily with women it’s their job to help you find a senior, successful and female mentor? I’m not a business insider, but I’m pretty sure this isn’t their job.

I made this point in Male Space, but what happens when women insert themselves into a traditionally male dominated domain is that the enterprise becomes about accommodating the female influences rather than the enterprise itself. This entire article is an indictment of this. Again, the solution to a woman’s problem of not being successful is sought externally.

Do your best to make sure that your success is quantified. Be it a sales goal, a client satisfaction rating, an output metric, a quality target. Numbers count here because they’re black-and-white, cut-and-dried. Were you successful or not? I recommend this even if you work in a “normal” company, because implicit gender biases and expectations still exist for all of us.

Solid enough advice, but it’s couched in the context of an expectation of gender biases (at least the type of bias Sallie finds unacceptable). There’re implicit gender biases, but the ones we see dominate even ‘normal’ companies are ones that favor a feminized workforce.

Think about starting your own thing. This is what’s exciting; we have the ability to start our own businesses today, in a way we didn’t in the past. Why not take our marbles to our own playgrounds and build great businesses and cultures? Our mothers couldn’t do this because the cost was so high – but the costs of everything-about-starting-a-business, including technology, people (i.e., freelancers), real estate (co-working spaces) and support services are coming down. And then no one can relegate you to the less-interesting jobs.

Women are taught that they deserve the luxury of interesting jobs. In fact this is the sole reason for even wanting to enter the workforce most times – a rewarding career that’s fulfilling, but as I wrote in She’s Unhaaapy… that fulfillment is always elusive. Therefore it must be that uncooperative men are holding women back from this happiness.

I’m not sure opening another gourmet cupcake eatery counts as contributing to the status of women in business, but I would say that women ought to be encouraged to start up their own businesses rather than rely on the proven successes of established ones to prove their business acumen. Carly Fiorina and Sheryl Sandberg are not innovators in any sense. Neither started a company from scratch, but they are lauded as powerful businesswomen because they supposedly had the moxie to compete with the big boys and their sexist enterprises – not actually as a result of their companies wanting to present a feminine-correct public image.

I would love to see women’s organic business successes despite themselves, but my guess is that every failure or setback would have some tinge of external sexism attached to them. The truth is there are very few women who actually create something of worth because the easier path to success is to create a social convention that shames men for not including women in their own successes. It will always be easier for women to appropriate the success of men rather than create anything for themselves.

I am going to go out of my way to support other women. It’s clear now: we can’t do this alone. Another woman who is promoted or celebrated or funded clears the way for another. I am actively looking to buy from women-owned businesses, which is much easier these days — Glossier, Outdoor Voices, and Project September are just a few of a new wave of startups led by women — and avoid companies that remain all-men. I’m just so over supporting them.

And here we have yet more fem-centric sexism in a piece decrying male sexism. Weren’t we just reading about how surprised Sallie was about gender bias not being a thing of the past in the workplace? Because Trump won the election she calls for a boycott from buying anything from male owned companies?

One thing I’ve always found ironic about women’s call for collective, gender-exclusionary support for other women is that women are often guilty of even worse infighting than men are in the workplace. Lets face it, women hate other women to a degree that most men are unaware of. Their capacity for sub-communication and psychological warfare among themselves makes intra-sexual competition more brutal than having to deal with any so-called sexist male co-worker. From women’s collectivist perspective one would think that women’s intra-sexual support of other women would make them all outstanding successes in business, but we find the opposite is true. Women have a very hard time making an all-female enterprise a success. Naturally this is blamed, again, on men’s sexists brinksmanship and outmaneuvering them, but by and large it’s internal conflict that destroys all-female run enterprises.

Invest. Having spent my career on Wall Street and now being the founder of Ellevest, a digital investment platform for women, I know I’m a broken record on this topic. But men invest to a greater extent than women do, and it costs us. Indeed, I believe investing is the best career advice women aren’t getting. Think about it – are you more able to tell your boss to take this job and shove it if you have more money or less money?

That’s what I thought. At the end of the day, money is the real key to gender equality.

Of course we get the sales pitch at the end. Women don’t invest because it’s not sexy. It requires a degree of commitment and a depth of insight that goes well beyond what an average woman has any interest in. I do find it entertaining that Sallie finally gets to the real reason for a gender inequality she claims she wants to see abolished. Money is most definitely a key to establishing social dominance and that creates a fundamentally unequal condition between men and women.

Businesses, successful ones, are founded on competition, not cooperation. This is the fundamental conflict we are experiencing in today’s corporate culture; women’s collectivism promotes what they believe should be a successful enterprise based on egalitarian cooperation while men largely see the enterprise as competition. Sometimes this is a win-at-any-cost type of competition, other times it may be more subtle, but the crux is that women’s propensity to want for a more collectivist approach to a successful enterprise is at odds with men’s competitive approach. Success in business is fundamentally unegalitarian, there are winners and losers, not co-equal participation trophy winners. But as women continue to insert themselves into the unegalitarian male spaces of enterprise we will see this push for cooperative hopes for business success fundamentally alter the purpose of these businesses as we attempt more and more to accommodate them.

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scray
scray
9 years ago

@rollo

Hey brah, maybe there’s more to this PUA stuff than just running sets?

Hey brah, maybe you’re still strawmanning.

I’m all for the deeper meaning duuuuuudes, but if you can’t test your proposed deeper meaning, I’m not interested.

Sentient
Sentient
9 years ago

EhIntellect…

On the topic of boys and being dynamic… an older post

How soon should you teach your sons well… the art of game?

Reader Sentient infers that establishing good Game habits in your son early in life will pay dividends later when there’s a lot more at stake…

https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2015/10/16/the-son-becomes-the-satyr/

theasdgamer
9 years ago

I was trying to figure out the significance of a petite, short, 21-ish blonde hottie asking me: 1) Are you married? 2) What’s your first name? Last name? First time I ever danced with her. She was eyeballing me on the dance floor, trying to get me to ask her to dance. I inferred from her questions that this girl wanted to facebook me to see if I’m married. I inferred that she and her friends are talking about me. The girls are trying to figure out if I’m gay, lol…they think I’m gay because 1) I dance well and… Read more »

Rollo Tomassi
9 years ago
Reply to  theasdgamer

I’m really curious as to why you even bother commenting here since you clearly believe TRM is nothing more than abstract gymnastics and mental masturbation.

kfg
kfg
9 years ago

“I have a computer simulation running a bajillion years into the future…”

Yeah, so does Michael Mann. It says that I’m posting from underwater.

theasdgamer
9 years ago

@scray Thanks for being a good sport. “If a girl acts bored, she needs drama…if she is treating you like a bff, she needs tingles…if she acts fidgety/scrayed (heh), she needs comfort…if she acts insecure, she needs validation. Calibrate early/calibrate often.” then from there, we’d get to something concrete. Is this failing due to my autism, or to my high intelligence, but I don’t see how I could get any more exact without providing a context, and there are a very large number of contexts for all this. “Concrete” means “something solid that is palpable” which means no internet and… Read more »

theasdgamer
9 years ago

@Rollo

He seeks greater flexibility at being able to wank in more unusual positions. 😉

kfg
kfg
9 years ago

“Is this failing due to my autism . . .”

No, it is you “just getting it” better than he is. Something for him to think about.

Rollo Tomassi
9 years ago
Reply to  kfg

I’m serious, because this is all I read from Scray. Why not start a blog that’s all about approach, approach, approach?

Blaximus
Blaximus
9 years ago

” It did occur to me after posting that many men under 30 may be thinking, “Dude, what the hell is a clutch?””

Very true, but it doesn’t render clutches as irrelevant and not understandable.

Volte Face
Volte Face
9 years ago

@Rollo Hi Rollo, Would I be correct in assuming that the spike in your visitor numbers was brought about by men seeking refuge from the feminine-filled households over Thanksgiving?

Rollo Tomassi
9 years ago
Reply to  Volte Face

@Volte, heheh, no it’s because the TRP subredd has had a surge of subscribers

Blaximus
Blaximus
9 years ago

@ Hank ” The reason they get linked here so often is they have excellent FREE videos demonstrating key PUA concepts. For that cold approach article that rollo linked that was COMPLETELY off the mark, the video of Tyler pulling a girl OUT of a taxi and then having her DTF in like 30 seconds COMPLETELY disproves that article…and it does so in about 30 seconds. You can’t really top that.” Always more sides to a story man http://strengthbysonny.com/2015/09/06/the-pua-industry-revealed-part-vii-6-tell-tale-signs-of-fake-infield-videos/ But, like I’ve said before, It Is Cool if you believe everything these guys say because…why ever that is, even though… Read more »

sfer
sfer
9 years ago

“I’m serious, because this is all I read from Scray. Why not start a blog that’s all about approach, approach, approach?”

There really are not good blogs that have field reports and are not racist, or otherwise full of complete dumb-asses.

theasdgamer
9 years ago

@scray Ok, I’ll try to use Rollo’s method to explain things…wish me luck! OMG: I’ve been married 30 years and I know about women YSG: Well, you married a woman who buys into the Old Set of Books and things have changed OMG: Yeah, but girls are still girls and old married women have to be gamed just like young single women YaReally: (provides 3 examples of sets from RSD, XD ) You OMGs are stupid and I get it that you’re happy, but you’re just lucky and your stuff doesn’t work with The New Modern Woman ™ OMG: ?… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
9 years ago

” I’m serious, because this is all I read from Scray. Why not start a blog that’s all about approach, approach, approach?”

Is scray posting?

Holy shit I’ve become so accustomed to just scrolling past him I didn’t notice.

Let me go back and read how he disagrees with almost everything not related to approaching and field proven tactics ( it’s ALWAYS the same thing. Always. )

But there should be some funny-ish gifs used as punctuation.

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
9 years ago

@ Sentient, @all TRM, RP has made our house really fun to experience. The oldest loves the disquisition of human behavior and prepares for any contingency. He’s finding an RP way that suits his analytical mind. Funny you mention taking him with me drinking. He sees my monkeyshines all the time. He’ll laugh out loud when I push-pull (PUA!) a waitress. If I “play” with Mom, play “with” Mom, he’s staring right at me smiling, rolling his eyes Now the second one, he just goes up to girls and they accept his offers, is cocky funny, a quiet mystery, ball-busts… Read more »

SJF
SJF
9 years ago

@newlyaloof December 1, 2016 at 12:27 pm Damn, man! These past few months reading the TRM comments has sadly reminded me of something – my wife and I arguing at home with the kids pleading with us to stop fighting. I may win this nuance in that argument with her, and she may win this nuance in that argument with me, but the kids lose in every instance. This really sucks. Yippee ki-yay, man!. These past eleven months of arguing abstract and concrete things on TRM, and getting further along in RP and Game mastery, have all but shut down… Read more »

MrT
MrT
9 years ago

“YaReally runs Game on the incels and they end up trusting him.”

Told ya weeks ago that hes seducing those poor souls.

Sentient
Sentient
9 years ago

ASD

Good comment.

Maybe RSD will come up with some vids of husbands running Game on their wives, Idk.

Guaranty you this is coming in the next 3-5 years… Papa will make sure of it… and by then Scray will be married with a kid too and posting on how 99.9999% of (other) guys don’t have what it takes to actually improve…

SJF
SJF
9 years ago

@Rollo “heheh, no it’s because the TRP subredd has had a surge of subscribers” And do you think that has anything to do with the referendum of the U.S national election and publicity in the main stream media? The display that was put on publicly as of late? Men are waking up from a Hivemind Matrix coma? Morpheus: I imagine that right now, you’re feeling a bit like Alice. Hmm? Tumbling down the rabbit hole? Neo: You could say that. Morpheus: I see it in your eyes. You have the look of a man who accepts what he sees because… Read more »

MrT
MrT
9 years ago

@asd

“The OMGs are logically correct, but they haven’t been able to get the incels to trust them. YaReally runs Game on the incels and they end up trusting him. I call bullshit on YaReally for his methods…we need more logic here, not emotional manipulation of incels.”

“Is scray posting?

Holy shit I’ve become so accustomed to just scrolling past him I didn’t notice.”

Yup, definitely yareallys seduction skills that prevent me from just getting Blaxs rational arguments. :>

As always, its not you, its them.

insert gif of hamster

scray
scray
9 years ago

@rollo I’m really curious as to why you even bother commenting here since you clearly believe TRM is nothing more than abstract gymnastics and mental masturbation. Except I “clearly” never said that. @blax Let me go back and read how he disagrees with almost everything not related to approaching and field proven tactics And let me watch you get it wrong after apparently ‘reading’ (which you still are!) You want to get butthurt because I ask you guys to offer advice that can at least BE tested, that’s fine….it just indicates that you want to talk amongst yourselves and aren’t… Read more »

SFC Ton
9 years ago

Can you trust a man who doesn’t know “clutch”?

sfer
sfer
9 years ago

“The OMGs are logically correct, but they haven’t been able to get the incels to trust them. YaReally runs Game on the incels and they end up trusting him. I call bullshit on YaReally for his methods…we need more logic here, not emotional manipulation of incels. YaReally’s trying to protect his brand so that his mission will succeed, because his mission requires that he have credibility. However, YaReally lacks experience being in a relationship with old women who buy into the Old Set of Books, so he has no platform to speak to OMGs, so he dismisses their needs…”old women… Read more »

SFC Ton
9 years ago

I know fuckall about string theory but does it get you laid, keep your bike on the road or help you shoot?

kfg
kfg
9 years ago

“Let me go back and read how he disagrees with almost everything . . .” He seems to think that he’s arguing with me, yet his argument always seems to end with, “Dude, that’s what I’ve been saying all along.” Is a puzzlement. “Maybe all of this shit is new to you . . .” Perhaps part of the issue is that I have been hand lacing wire spoked wheels for 50 years, having learned from and using the terms of generations of wheel builders, whereas he insists that the only correct terminology is that of a youthful cult wheel… Read more »

pellaeon
pellaeon
9 years ago

@theasdgamer OMG: I’ve been married 30 years and I know about women YSG: Well, you married a woman who buys into the Old Set of Books and things have changed OMG: Yeah, but girls are still girls and old married women have to be gamed just like young single women YaReally: (provides 3 examples of sets from RSD,😄 ) You OMGs are stupid and I get it that you’re happy, but you’re just lucky and your stuff doesn’t work with The New Modern Woman ™ OMG: ? YaReally connects with the incels emotionally and the incels aren’t able to connect… Read more »

mersonia
9 years ago

“You want to get butthurt because I ask you guys to offer advice that can at least BE tested, that’s fine….it just indicates that you want to talk amongst yourselves and aren’t really interested in actually -helping- anyone else.”

So much this lozlolzolzololzol

kfg
kfg
9 years ago

“He backs his arguments up with logic.”

No. He declares his arguments logical, which is not the same thing. As often as not when he says, “That’s just logic,” he means nothing more than, “Case closed and I’m not going to talk about any more.”

His declarations of logic are . . . rhetorical.

And some people accept that because emotional appeal.

scray
scray
9 years ago

@kfg

ya that’s because you try to pass off your comments as adding new value and being profound when I said the same thing simpler and clearer ages ago.

so either you just felt like repeating what i already said only with more superfluous language

or you think you’re adding new insight, in which case you simply haven’t read.

SFC Ton
9 years ago

Me? Anti RSD? Intresting. Certainly don’t see myself as anti RSD. Don’t much give a damn one way or the other. If their product helps men all is good. If it doesnt…. they ain’t the 1st set of con artists

I am not anti PUA, or anti mgtow or any thing like that. Men need to do what best suits them, but I would like for all men to make all their decisions based on a position of strength and legit intell.

Pellaeon
Pellaeon
9 years ago

OMG: I’ve been married 30 years and I know about women. Just be a man! YSG: Well, you married a woman who buys into the Old Set of Books and things have changed, like what do you mean by be a man! OMG: Dude girls are still girls and old married women have to be gamed just like young single women, and you do that by just being a man! YSG: OK, how exactly does that work? what do you mean, specifically? OMG: DUDE, THINK ABSTRACTLY. YOU CAN’T EVEN BEGIN TO KNOW WHAT YOU CAN’T EVEN KNOW TO NOT EVEN… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
9 years ago

Pellaeon

To use Rollo’s broken car analogy, Sentient is saying the irreducible qualities of a mechanic is attention to detail, technical knowledge, and first hand experience. All of those qualities apply to a computer programmer, but technical first hand knowledge of C++ won’t do shit for fixing a car.

These are the same kind of false analogies Yareally is always using… is the car attracted to the mechanic?

DPA is the the Alpha Triad, the irreducible qualities of “Alpha”…

Has the nature of women changed?

Are women attracted to Alpha?

What “is” Alpha?

asked you twice now…

kfg
kfg
9 years ago

” . . . you think you’re adding new insight . . .”

I just said exactly the opposite.

“even dairy farmers can get laid” . . .

. . . is a fact.

kfg
kfg
9 years ago

And it is also a fact that I wasn’t talking about getting laid in that conversation. I was talking about having hobbies and friends.

scray
scray
9 years ago

@kfg

new insight into the current discussion

you OGs love to equivocate. this time it’s “new insight relative to the world of ancient and new knowledge’ vs ‘in this conversation you THINK you’re adding something NEW, as in something that was not in THIS conversation before.’

othergrain
othergrain
9 years ago

“Maybe RSD will come up with some vids of husbands running Game on their wives, Idk. Guaranty you this is coming in the next 3-5 years… Papa will make sure of it…” CONFIRMED: Sentient is associated with RSD as his inner knowledge of Papa shows. But they really should release a product for married men, and market it as something special and different than PUA. Call it LTR game for men with wives who have value after they fuck, and 2 kids raised to 21 years old, or whateverthefuck SJF calls it. I know a handful of guys right here… Read more »

Yollo Comanche
Yollo Comanche
9 years ago

@everyone

Does Rollo have a son?

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
9 years ago

Some empirical substantiation of why it’s hard to give step-by-step DPA instruction: Example one: My first son who understands calculus derivatives easily, wants to see the world algorithmicly, blows through PUA listicles and knowingly admits it isn’t working as well as he’d like (he’s trying) because of him qua him and because PUA doesn’t address his deeper inhibitions. He’s great at the opening, the cold call, but then can’t close a date. I’d be performing parental malfeasance telling him contrary what his gut is telling him. He’s NOT giving up, is excited about the help he’s had, and is trying… Read more »

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
9 years ago

“It is a puzzlement.”

I think Scray mostly just doesn’t grok what kfg is trying to do with his comments. More often than not, they’re an attempt not to provide new information, but to give a person clues as to how to *think* about an issue or find new information.

They’re incomplete not due to an attempt to be mysterious; they’re incomplete in the hope that the reader might attempt to complete them.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
9 years ago

Ton The horsey set makes the golf dudes look like panhandling hobos. It’s unfucking real. And I was the chump who had it spelled out to him Well, looks like you need a watering trough or whatever those horsey folks like to have around. Bigger parking lot? Hay barn? Extra outlets for their trailers? I kid not, have seen horse trailers with A/C on top, all sorts of exra lighting, mini fridge in a little cab up front; everything but running water and that wouldn’t surprise me to wash the animals down. I’d be “whatever makes y’all happy to park… Read more »

mersonia
9 years ago

@Forge

“They’re incomplete not due to an attempt to be mysterious; they’re incomplete in the hope that the reader might attempt to complete them.”

They’re also skipped cause waste of time (Unless you just have endless time to be on here).

scray
scray
9 years ago

@rollo

They’re incomplete not due to an attempt to be mysterious; they’re incomplete in the hope that the reader might attempt to complete them.

Or whatever cannot be said clearly is probably not being thought clearly, either.

Maybe there’s nothing to grok.
Maybe it’s just nonsense on stilts.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTUnYjHU2wPkbr3HdJxb2XWLAWT-Fl5zAPL6m3LhXN-rdQgL2bGEw

And until it’s said clearly, it can’t even be tested, and if it can’t be tested there’s no way to know if’s true or false, and if there’s no way to know if it’s true or false, then why, exactly, should we accord the speaker the respect befitting a guru?

Pellaeon
Pellaeon
9 years ago

I think Scray mostly just doesn’t grok what kfg is trying to do with his comments. I’m pretty sure he gets that, but just thinks it’s unhelpful/not working. I agree I wish I could find it again – I read about a study once where they told a set of teachers that the gifted students were the remedial ones, and the remedial students were the gifted ones. The study found that setting these teacher expectations led to the gifted students starting to struggle and the remedial students started to improve. The study concluded that when the teachers believed that the… Read more »

MrT
MrT
9 years ago

@ehintellect

Are they equally competent in what sentient would call female language?

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
9 years ago

“I just did that and nothing happened. Of course the engine wasn’t running. Does that matter?”

kfg
Insert “standard conditions.”

Assuming assumptions can be confusing or downright hazardous in some situations. Especially unconscious assumptions of the “it goes without saying” kind. I know of a utility lineman who got killed working on a line that everyone on the scene assumed was cold. Several people got fired, but he was still dead.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
9 years ago

newlyaloof
These past few months reading the TRM comments has sadly reminded me of something – my wife and I arguing at home with the kids pleading with us to stop fighting

Your TRM “let’s get along” point is clear, but I’m more interested in your domestic disturbance. Has this been normal for a while, or did she get more contentious as you started applying Red Pill to the situation?

Rollo Tomassi
9 years ago

Jesus, it’s not like 14 years of writing about what I do just came to me in a fucking dream one night.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
9 years ago

@Rollo
Damn, the car wont start.

Just do the work. Take it from an old car guy, just do the work. That’s all you need to know Just do the work.

Welp. Gotta go. Been nice givin’ advice to ya!

murraystreet
murraystreet
9 years ago

@Blaximus

http://strengthbysonny.com/2015/09/06/the-pua-industry-revealed-part-vii-6-tell-tale-signs-of-fake-infield-videos/

Yeah fake infields are a thing. Tom Torero got busted for it. That goofy tall dude from Europe whose name I forgot got busted for it real quick. RSD’s been releasing infields shot all over North America & Europe for a decade and nothing’s come out yet. So us youngsters are gonna go ahead and view them as real.

That article isn’t someone pulling the curtain on the PUA industrial-complex. It’s just some dude selling a Life Consulting product throwing shade at others guys offering a product.

Rollo Tomassi
9 years ago
Reply to  murraystreet

Are there any RSD videos not shot in a club or on a street at night?

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
9 years ago

Rollow Damn, the car wont start. Flip side of my previous comment: back when I drove a carbureted vehicle, there was a problem in a parking lot with starting. Old guy wanders by, looks at me under the hood, observes “If it’s not the gas, it’s the spark. If it’s not the spark, it’s the gas”. He could have left it at that, but he was helpful enough to suggest checking the fuel filter – which was clogged. Then he went on his way, after providing me with some praxology. That’s why TRM is the place to be, because philosophy… Read more »

Rollo Tomassi
9 years ago

@AR, what do I owe you for the advice?

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
9 years ago

kfg
I’m busy trying to mind my own business while other people are trying to draft me to mind theirs.

Go on, you’re way too old for Selective Service to be interested.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
9 years ago

Rollo
Are there any RSD videos not shot in a club or on a street at night?

Yes.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
9 years ago

Rollo
the TRP subredd has had a surge of subscribers

Good. More of that. Feminists can blame it on Trump, of course.

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
9 years ago

@Rollo

There’s a fair number of them on the street in the daytime. Just search for ‘RSD Daygame.’

This one is a bit more unique as it takes place away from the club, or the street, in the day. They basically just set up a little camp in a park and pull people into their impromptu barbecue.

https://youtu.be/dl4Wgy5gKhI

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
9 years ago

Ton
Can you trust a man who doesn’t know “clutch”?

Wait, is this one of those Zen questions? Like the sound of one hand clapping?

kfg
kfg
9 years ago

@AR: I understand your point, although I also understand you sidestepped mine to make it. Which is not something I object to, I do it all the time myself. And I agree entirely with your point. But mine still stands. There is little instruction I can give other than, “Take your foot off the clutch.” Maybe, “OK, slower next time.” That is the entirety of the procedure, and there’s nothing that can make understand the procedure other than you doing it enough times to “just get it.” And that doesn’t make it woo. “Come on, son. You can do it.… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
9 years ago

Ton I know fuckall about string theory but does it get you laid, keep your bike on the road or help you shoot? Nah, it’s the kind of stuff that gets physics profs tenured, or the tenured ones another grant. Because it’s all theory with lots of math, and nothing that anyone can test, not the high-energy types at CERN, not the spooky types at Los Alamos. It’s all whiteboard jockeying. Next time I hear someone like a grad student going on about it, I’ll be sure to quote you and see what happens. Unlike string theory, quoting Ton to… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
9 years ago

@ murraystreet Yeah, I get that. But There’s always ” another side “. The strong supporters of rsd keep harping about how helpful they are, and that’s great. I support that particular aspect. But when it causes them to lose objectivity and more importantly understanding unless everything is broken down incessantly and reduced to the most ridiculously tiny bites of information, because that’s what the gurus at rsd do, then in my mind that’s hindering total development. ” I don’t know what you mean ” or ” all of that is meaningless “, but guys going out all over the… Read more »

scray
scray
9 years ago

last @forge, not@rollo

this one actually is @rollo

You’re taking this as a personal attack on you or TRM for whatever reason. Go back and read what I wrote about TRM. I didn’t have anything negative to say about it beyond TRM, to be useful to a guy, must be accompanied by action.

My primary target concerning untestable shit has been OMG comments.

BUT

I don’t see how it’d be any sort of loss for TRM if more concrete action plans went along with the abstract ideas, and then the readers could test them and report back in.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
9 years ago

Rollo
@AR, what do I owe you for the advice?

Heck, just what it’s worth, of course.

Question is what do I and a lot of others owe you?

dr zipper
dr zipper
9 years ago

So many things to comment on but fuck it, too busy being dynamic. @scray – I agree that the ideal way to acquire knowledge is by testing ideas and the back and forth that happens until the truth is revealed. Some things don’t lend themselves to that and so we must use observations, indirect methods and an assumption or two to find the ‘truth’ that we accept. Think astronomy…. no way can we go pull a sample from a distant sun or planet, but we can observe and measure, compare it to verifiable earthly experiments, and then make pretty good… Read more »

Pellaeon
Pellaeon
9 years ago

RSD’s been releasing infields shot all over North America & Europe for a decade and nothing’s come out yet. I’ve heard rumors. I’ve also seen a memo with an RSD official looking template talking about hiring models/actresses for their bootcamps. I also remember seeing a post from thundercat back in like…2007? Talking about how aggressive the RSD lawyers were in trying to shut down his negative talk about RSD. In general, I’ve heard claims of shadiness from a variety of sources. But with that being said, I’ve never seen anything conclusive, and what I’ve seen of their material has usually… Read more »

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
9 years ago

@Scray I’m not interested in gurus. Most of this whole clusterfuck is a meta-debate on the merits of different kinds of instruction. What works for one doesn’t necessarily work for another, due to differences in cognitive skills, circumstance, and the sorts of things one needs to learn. My point isn’t to defend or lionize kfg, he doesn’t need me to; my point is to address a specific instance of the reason we’re debating all this in the first place. I’ll note, as a way of pointing out the scope of the issue we’re dealing with: the main issue we have… Read more »

kfg
kfg
9 years ago

“People been scoring for a mighty long time. That’s the first thing one should realize.”

Lunar Module: Houston, Tranquility Base here. The Eagle has landed.
Houston: Don’t bother us about your bottle rockets. Can’t you see we’re busy trying to build a rocket that will take us to the moon?

scray
scray
9 years ago

@blax But when it causes them to lose objectivity and more importantly understanding unless everything is broken down incessantly and reduced to the most ridiculously tiny bites of information, because that’s what the gurus at rsd do, then in my mind that’s hindering total development. LOL the assumption here is that you have understanding. If we can’t test your ‘understanding,’ how can we know, at all, if it is understanding? seriously, me and ya and the PUAs are just like And for all this tough talk about “objectivity,” you sure as fuck don’t seem to want YOUR ideas subjected to… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
9 years ago

Blaximus Guys can make fun of it all they want to, but: They are just girls. Don’t be confused or afraid. Yeah, this. Even the rich snowflake that the OP was about is still just a girl, at heart. Although there’s a lot of YuGoGrrl entitlement piled on top by now, due to her age. it would be a task to deal with her in a business environment, but she’s still a girl under all that, which makes her predictable to some degree or other. Elspeth doesn’t post here anymore, but I don’t think this will bother her. She and… Read more »

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
9 years ago

To add to that, the only reason you should listen to someone who is giving you the less-testable sort of idea is based upon your evaluation of whether or not it worked out for them. It’s hard to do online naturally, but you can learn a bit about a dude after a while even in this form. Usually people lying about who they are are pretty inconsistent over time. Of course, the main problem with that is often people are just guessing as to the origins of their success. That’s just a general human problem though, deal with it as… Read more »

murraystreet
murraystreet
9 years ago

@Blaximus ” Yeah, I get that. But There’s always ” another side “. The strong supporters of rsd keep harping about how helpful they are, and that’s great. I support that particular aspect. But when it causes them to lose objectivity and more importantly understanding unless everything is broken down incessantly and reduced to the most ridiculously tiny bites of information, because that’s what the gurus at rsd do, then in my mind that’s hindering total development. ” You’re not RSD’s or yareally’s target audience.You’re an Old Natural and you’re not looking for advice or answers because you you got… Read more »

scray
scray
9 years ago

@forge Of course, the main problem with that is often people are just guessing as to the origins of their success. That’s just a general human problem though, deal with it as you may. lmfao dude you deal with it by TESTING it. that is the only way. otherwise you have no way of knowing. it’s super bizarre how everyone here is super ‘I’m not blue pill i think for myself’ and then like….can’t realize that following shit that doesn’t gibe with reality and can’t even be tested in reality = same exact FI “logic” that conditions people into the… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
9 years ago

kfg I understand your point, although I also understand you sidestepped mine to make it. Which is not something I object to, I do it all the time myself. And I agree entirely with your point. I didn’t sidestep anything, I pointed out that your experimental procedure was incomplete because you failed to document assumptions. Some CERN weenies thought they’d broken the light barrier not too long ago because they failed to account for some details in their experimental procedure. But mine still stands. There is little instruction I can give other than, “Take your foot off the clutch.” Maybe,… Read more »

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
9 years ago

@Blax I read you re: RSD, I actually have a bit of a ‘wtf is the big deal, they’re just girls go talk to them impulse when I see all the guy gathered at these seminars. I still enjoy listening to them but it does make me chuckle a bit. But also, 3 years ago I was looking at these videos in awe. “Holy shit, you can do that?!” It’s just where you’re coming from wrt women, really. Everything is scary when you first encounter it, at least for most guys. And most guys never learned the trick of not… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
9 years ago

Forge

Learn what you can from who you can. Whatev.

“Take what works for you, leave the rest.” — Bruce Lee

Hah, beat Blaximus to the Bruce Lee quote for once.

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
9 years ago

@Scray “you deal with it by TESTING it. that is the only way. otherwise you have no way of knowing.” Sure, but how do you know which things to test? You could try literally anything. You’d be at it a long time. Longer than the time you actually have. If some dude has succeeded at something, I’m willing to listen to his guesses as to how he did that. They might not be correct, but it’s a sight better than just pulling an approach out of a hat. The only thing to avoid is clinging to an observably-false model. Watch… Read more »

Pellaeon
Pellaeon
9 years ago

@ForgeTheSky Most of this whole clusterfuck is a meta-debate on the merits of different kinds of instruction. What works for one doesn’t necessarily work for another, due to differences in cognitive skills, circumstance, and the sorts of things one needs to learn. My point isn’t to defend or lionize kfg, he doesn’t need me to; my point is to address a specific instance of the reason we’re debating all this in the first place. Haha fair and valid point. Keep in mind though, that another large part of it is a claim that several of the commenters are “worshipping”, “acting… Read more »

kfg
kfg
9 years ago

“If we can’t test your ‘understanding,’ how can we know, at all, if it is understanding?” I know it’s gonna hurt, but . . . use your eyes. You might see that the guy talking to you is doing it from the moon. Maybe he was born there, but it doesn’t seem likely, so just maybe he knows the route and the terrain. Not everybody can teach, so just because a guy can play piano doesn’t mean he’ll be any good at teaching you piano, but I’ll bet if you wanted to learn to play piano the first thing you’d… Read more »

scray
scray
9 years ago

@forge

Sure, but how do you know which things to test?

you start from choosing among the things that are testable 🙂

Blaximus
Blaximus
9 years ago

@ murraystreet ” I mean, how does this even intrigue or amuse you?” It doesn’t. But I’m open minded. For a couple of years I’ve watched as rsd vids flood the comment section. Constantly. Some I’d watch, especially if YaReally said ” I want you to watch this vid..” because it made a particular point. Guys said they were very helpful. I had no issue with that at all. In fact, I was happy for guys that got help from the vids, regardless of what I thought about them. What I actually thought about them was/is irrelevant. But when many… Read more »

scray
scray
9 years ago

@kfg

I know it’s gonna hurt, but . . . use your eyes. You might see that the guy talking to you is doing it from the moon. Maybe he was born there, but it doesn’t seem likely, so just maybe he knows the route and the terrain.

oh look another ‘JUST TRUST ME BRO’ argument.

no thanks, dudebro. come out with something clear and testable. should be easy if you went to the moon 🙂

kfg
kfg
9 years ago

“There’s little instruction in text over the Intertubes that you can give other than etc.”

One of the businesses that I have had try to draft me was a driving school. They had never met me. They had only met my students who I turned over to them.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
9 years ago

Blaximus
You gotta figure some shit out on your own or you are dependent.

Wait, lemme write that down….

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
9 years ago

kfg
One of the businesses that I have had try to draft me was a driving school. They had never met me. They had only met my students who I turned over to them.

Taught them to drive via postal correspondance course, did you?

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
9 years ago

@Scray “you start from choosing among the things that are testable” lol I take the point, but I think you’re missing ways in which some people’s advice here could be testable. Maybe not easily testable, but hey ya can’t win them all. Blax always talking about ‘they’re just girls’ is a mindset. Basically a thought/perspective he has running in his head as he goes about doing things. You could, with a bit of practice, develop something like the same mindset by just….forcing yourself to think that way until it becomes normative. And then see if your success increases. Sentient’s alpha… Read more »

murraystreet
murraystreet
9 years ago

@Blaximus Honestly the ‘problem’ is you’re just too Natural. You’re struggling to empathize with people that aren’t you. Not a dig, just the way it is. Like OF COURSE people that watch RSD vids want to be spoon fed. They’re mostly inexperienced and struggling, that’s why they’re watching RSD vids to begin with. They’re newbies. They need to start somewhere, and even once they’ve reached past that base level they might still need a few advanced tips once in a while. Give you an example. When you’re saying Girls Are Just Girls… Sure. 100% true. They are. But the way… Read more »

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
9 years ago

“oh look another ‘JUST TRUST ME BRO’ argument.”

No, it’s not an appeal to authority. It’s protocol for establishing a heuristic.

Heuristics may be frustrating but they are also necessary.

scray
scray
9 years ago

@forge Blax always talking about ‘they’re just girls’ is a mindset. Basically a thought/perspective he has running in his head as he goes about doing things. You could, with a bit of practice, develop something like the same mindset by just….forcing yourself to think that way until it becomes normative. And then see if your success increases. That’s not testing anything. “Hey bro they’re just girls!” Okay what does that mean? What does “think that way” mean? Let’s break it down further, maybe it means “bro don’t attach any value to one specific girl, you know, there’s always another one… Read more »

MrT
MrT
9 years ago

“I know it’s gonna hurt, but . . . use your eyes. You might see that the guy talking to you is doing it from the moon. Maybe he was born there, but it doesn’t seem likely, so just maybe he knows the route and the terrain.”

Anonymous guy on the internet.

:>

kfg
kfg
9 years ago

“oh look another ‘JUST TRUST ME BRO’ argument.”

oh look another STRAWMAN argument.

Here are some guys who “just trust” Tyler enough to give him a shit ton of money they can likely ill afford to talk to them.

And Tyler admits he lies to them to get them into the room so maybe he has a chance to tell them the truth . . . later . . . when they’re ready for it.

scray
scray
9 years ago

@forge No, it’s not an appeal to authority. It’s protocol for establishing a heuristic. Heuristics may be frustrating but they are also necessary. Except it isn’t. Even if the heuristic is valid, I have no way to verify if the individual has IN FACT been to the moon beyond — what’s that, you guessed it — JUST TRUST ME BRO! The better heuristic here is “give me some actionable stuff.” Notice that when I put up my shit about the VIP club scene it magically just gibed with what RSD put out later = actionable information = reference to objective… Read more »

scray
scray
9 years ago

@MrT

Anonymous guy on the internet.

comment image

the YSG know what’s up.

Like it’s not an accident that they all pretty much express the same skepticism of you guys. And rather than just say ‘hey, maybe there’s something off in our approach, maybe we should offer some testable shit for these youngins to use — after all, they’re willing to test it and it’d really allow us to ESTABLISH A GOOD DIALOGUE BETWEEN GENERATIONS,’ you guys expect deference to vague woo woo shit.

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
9 years ago

“Except it isn’t. Even if the heuristic is valid, I have no way to verify if the individual has IN FACT been to the moon beyond — what’s that, you guessed it — JUST TRUST ME BRO!” That’s disingenuous. The original metaphor stipulated that you could SEE that the other person was on the moon, and that this strongly suggests that, if you also want to go to the moon, you should start out asking them about it. The thing we’re running into here is that the non-pua’s here who have had success with women do in fact have useful… Read more »

kfg
kfg
9 years ago
Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
9 years ago

There is merit to this though: “Like it’s not an accident that they all pretty much express the same skepticism of you guys. And rather than just say ‘hey, maybe there’s something off in our approach, maybe we should offer some testable shit for these youngins to use — after all, they’re willing to test it and it’d really allow us to ESTABLISH A GOOD DIALOGUE BETWEEN GENERATIONS,’ you guys expect deference to vague woo woo shit.” But I’d also say that it’s important to meet people halfway. Communication between paradigms is a difficult thing, and that’s even before we… Read more »

Keith
Keith
9 years ago

@ Theasdgamer what type of dance do you partake in sir your always talking about dancing I’m just wondering ? You never give any specifics

Blaximus
Blaximus
9 years ago

http://www.georgjensen.com/~/productimages/1200/0/0/3300021/MITRA-Dessert-spoon.png I’ve explained the ” They’re just girls ” thing numerous times. But let’s give it another go shall we? Chicks are basically all the same. Never, ever pedestalize them in any fashion what so ever, including that hawt ass hb9. Hot girls, the hottest one you’ve ever seen is just like most of the other women you know or have met in your life. Just like your sister(s) or your cousins or the chicks you went to school with. The difference is in you. Your perception of her. You will have a tendancy to react in a certain way… Read more »

SJF
SJF
9 years ago

“…..only a small minority of people are in the habit of thinking about their actions and impulses didactically.”

comment image

LOL, Heh, I’ve been accused of being boringly didactic before….. (wait, that was Forge that accused me of that…) And I accept that criticism as a correct observation.

Blaximus
Blaximus
9 years ago

@ Forge

Always good to see you here.

I agree about trying to describe/explain mindsets.

Pua’s have taken a mindset and broken it down to ” actions ” resulting from that mindset. The action becomes the sole descriptor. The mindset comes…later. maybe. Probably. Hopefully.

Maybe that’s the whole ” externals building internals ” thing. To me that’s backwards, but I grok the concept fully.

murraystreet
murraystreet
9 years ago

Dude, we know all of that. I wasn’t asking you to go over it again.

Either way you need to remember everything you wrote just now can make perfect sense in a newbie’s head and give him an epiphany, but experiencing women in real life over a period of time is the only thing that will make him interiorise it.

SJF
SJF
9 years ago

@Blaximus http://thematrix101.com/matrix/faq.php The spoon exists only in the Matrix, which really means it doesn’t exist. It’s a lesson for Neo, to help him realize that manipulating the Matrix isn’t about focusing on an object and trying to change it. The object doesn’t exist, so he can’t change it, he has to change himself. Metaphorically, it’s all in his head. Oh, wait. That’s just a metaphor and an abstraction. What the hell was I thinking? What I have been boringly droning about for two years here has been masculine self improvement and listening to Rollo’s call for enlightened self interest for… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
9 years ago

@ murraystreet Lol. I know man. I was posting hat comment up because it seems to be a ( negative ) topic from some commenters regarding it being vague and untestable or some such. Seems like guys get frustrated by my saying it. To some guys evidently, it doesn’t make any sense, much less perfect sense. ” Either way you need to remember everything you wrote just now can make perfect sense in a newbie’s head and give him an epiphany, but experiencing women in real life over a period of time is the only thing that will make him… Read more »

SJF
SJF
9 years ago

@Murraystreet

“Either way you need to remember everything you wrote just now can make perfect sense in a newbie’s head and give him an epiphany, but experiencing women in real life over a period of time is the only thing that will make him interiorise it.”

So what are you personally or any Newbie going to do about that? Look for a concrete recipe prescription for that plan? After you or the Newbie finishes reading a lot of Rollo on The Rational Male blog? Or are you going to just use TRM as a parking place for your comments?

Blaximus
Blaximus
9 years ago

@ SJF

” The spoon exists only in the Matrix, which really means it doesn’t exist.
It’s a lesson for Neo, to help him realize that manipulating the Matrix isn’t about focusing on an object and trying to change it. The object doesn’t exist, so he can’t change it, he has to change himself. Metaphorically, it’s all in his head.”

Nah man. This is vague and mysterious and most importantly, untestable.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
9 years ago

Saw a 20-something man earlier today talking to a 20-something woman in a parking lot. That man was Dynamic in his body language and gestures, quite Passionate going by his vocal tonalities too. A little while later the girl cop had him sitting on the curb in handcuffs. Perhaps he wasn’t Authentic enough. Or perhaps he should have just let his car be towed from where it was illegally parked, and stifled his Dynamic Passion. Can’t really say for sure, as I tend to avoid other people’s social interactions with the police. Dynamic, Passionate and Authentic may or may not… Read more »

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