Commenter YaReally dropped an interesting set of videos in last week’s comment thread and I thought I’d riff on them for a bit today. I’m not familiar with Loose Women (the TV show anyway), but from what I gather, it’s on par with The View or any similar mid-day women’s talk show. I don’t make a habit of watching shows dedicated to entertaining women’s need for indignation, but I regularly have readers email or tweet me segments asking for my take on certain aspects of them or how they relate to Red Pill awareness.
It should come as no shock to my readers that shows of this formula are a social manifestation of women’s base natures. Every conversation takes on a sense of seriousness and gravity, but the tone and the presumptuousness that drives these conversations are rooted in women’s solipsism. All iterations of this show are presented from a perspective that assumes a pre-understood feminine primacy. It’s also no coincidence that the rise in popularity of women’s talk shows has paralleled the comfort women have in embracing Hypergamy openly.
Whenever I get a link to something the women on The View discuss it’s almost always a confirmation of some Red Pill principle I’ve covered previously, and in this instance Loose Women doesn’t disappoint. Saira Khan (I apologize for my lack of knowing who she is or why I should care to) related to the panel of women – and the expectedly disproportionate female audience – that at 46 years of age and two children (only one by her husband) she has entered some commonly acknowledged phase where she finds herself lacking all libido for her husband.
I decided to write a full post on these clips because Saira amply demonstrates every facet of the latter phases of maturity I outlined in Preventive Medicine. She begins her self-serving apologetics by prequalifying her previously “fantastic sex life in her younger years” and moves on to her bewilderment over her lack of arousal for her glaringly Beta husband. We’ll get to him later, but she’s a textbook example of a woman in what I termed the Alpha Reinterest phase from Preventive Medicine. Granted, at 46 Saira is experiencing this “stage” a bit later than most women, but we have to consider the difficulty she had in having and adjusting to children later in life – all undoubtedly postponed by her obvious fempowerment mentality and careerism.
I love you, but I’m not in love with you
It’s likely most men in the Red Pill sphere have experienced and discussed this very common trope. Saira is quick to apply a version of this standard self-excusing social convention. She “loves her husband” and “he’s a great man”, but lately(?) she simply has no desire to fuck him. I’m highlighting this because it’s an important part of the psychology and the self-excusing rationales that revolve around the less-than-optimal outcome of women’s dualistic (AF/BB) sexual strategy.
It may serve readers better to review the Preventive Medicine series of posts, but the short version is this: Once a woman has settled on a man for her post-SMV peak life plans, and the routine and regimen of a life less exciting than her Party Years begins to reveal the nature of a (usually Beta) man she settled on, that’s when the subconscious sexual revulsion of him begins. The feral nature of
Hypergamy begins to inform her subconscious understanding of her situation – the man she settled for will never compare to the idealized sexuality of the men she’s been with prior to him. Alpha-qualifying shit tests (fitness tests) naturally follow, but Saira herself describes her sexual revulsion for Steve as a sense of “panic” at the thought of him expecting her to be genuinely sexual with him.
As such, there becomes a psycho-social imperative need to blunt and/or forgive these feelings for the “lack of libido” women experience for their Beta husbands. Thus, we get the now clichéd tropes about how “it’s not you, it’s me” or “I love you, but I’m not in love with you.” Both of which amount to the same message – I love you, but I have no desire to fuck you. You’re a great guy and a swell husband, but my pussy only gets wet for Alpha.
Saira exemplifies this in her assessment of her husband (Steve), but more so, she illustrates the disconnection she knows is necessary to insulate her ego from knowing exactly what’s “wrong” with her. The problem with her lack of libido becomes separated from the source, Steve. So she says it’s not him, she just doesn’t want to do it.
She qualifies herself as someone loveable (she still cuddles and gets comfort from Steve), but this lovable ‘good person’ doesn’t want her lack of arousal to be something to disqualify her from feeling good about herself.
Solution: make sex separate and ancillary to her relationship with her husband.
For women in this phase, sex is equated with a chore. It’s a chore because it’s not something she has a desire to do, but still feels obligated to do. Steve walks through the door at 6 and her subconscious understands that the expectation of her is that she should be aroused by this Beta man she’s trapped into living with for the rest of her life. Hypergamy informs her subconscious and the manifestation is to find ways to avoid sex with a man her Hypergamous sense acknowledges is a suboptimal sexual pairing. Her conscious, emotive, female mind understands that she should want to fuck him, but it wars with her hindbrain that is repulsed by just the imagining of it.
In order to contend with the internal conflict created by Hypergamy, and a woman’s settling on a poor consolidation of it, social conventions had to be created to make separating sexual arousal (Alpha Fucks) from women’s personal worth (Beta Bucks investment) and the attending bad feelings it causes for them.
Ironically, this show’s original premise was based on the question of whether sex was even a “must” on a couple’s wedding night. This is a prime example of separating desireless sex from women’s sense of personal worth. I wrote about this in Separating Values. If sex is ancillary or only an occasional bonus, it ceases to be a deal-breaking factor in marriage for women when they don’t have a desire to fuck their Beta husbands.
Conflating Values
One of the major problems women have, and more than even some red pill men have, is the conflation of sexual market value with their intrinsic personal value as a human being.
It needs to be emphasized that while personal value is influential in sexual market value, SMV is distinct from your value as a human being. I’m stressing this because, in the age Disney Princess empowerment, this conflation of the two has become a go-to social convention; and not just for women.
What Korth suffers from is presuming her personal value is her sexual market value.
It’s disruptive to her self-perceptions and ego-investments when that presumption is challenged by a man who doesn’t want to fuck her for reasons based on the intrinsic value she believes she’s entitled to by virtue of maturity and imaginings of self-sufficiency. Just as women aren’t aroused by men’s own self-concepts of virtuousness and aspirations of higher purpose, men aren’t aroused by whatever ephemeral self-perceptions a woman may have.
In Khan’s case, she (and the many women in the audience who nod in agreement with her) must devalue sex as an article or an object rather than accept that it’s something she wants to engage in, just not with Steve.
There are many other social conventions that aid women in avoiding sex with Beta husbands. An even more common convention is the popularly accepted idioms that “sex just naturally declines after marriage” or “men and women often have mismatched libidos.” Both of these have filtered into our popular consciousness, but they serve the same latent purpose – excusing a lack of desire caused by women interpreting their husband’s lack of Alpha sub-communications. Wives don’t get tingles from Beta husbands, thus, they need to find ways to offset the bad feelings for themselves first, and their husbands secondarily.
The trick in this is women not personalizing their lack of arousal with a husband’s self-worth – “it’s not you, it’s me” – and deferring to some naturally occurring biological or psychological event that can be conveniently attached to the mystique of women.
It’s not you, but it is you
Thus, the rationale morphs from “it’s not you, it’s me” into “it’s not you, it’s the time/circumstance/effort/need for help with the chores/phase of my mysterious woman-ness” that’s causing her lack of sexual desire.” She’s got a busy life, she’s got kids, and in her pursuit of perfection in these arenas, sex somehow falls by the wayside – or at least the kind of non-obligatory, hot, urgent sex she used to enjoy in her fantastic youth. It’s not you, it’s just life.
It’s not you, it’s wives ‘naturally’ lose interest in sex. It’s not you, it’s that she panics at the thought of you expecting her to be aroused by you.
If sex can be delimited to being all about the person then a lack of women’s arousal can’t be blamed on the mechanics of sex. So when men complain about a lack of sex from their wives or a lack of enthusiastic genuine desire, we get the response we hear from the panel of women on the show; a sarcastic shaming of men who raise the issue that their wives are frigid with them.
“Oh, how can men survive without sex?” or a sarcastic “No bloke can be in a relationship without sex” is a deemphasizing of the importance that the role of sex plays in a marriage and any intersexual relationship. Once again this is due to the separating of personal worth of a woman from the sexual mechanics of Hypergamy that prompt her to genuine arousal. The easiest solution is to cast men into the same sexual expectations as women; if women can forego sex then men ought to be able to “survive” without it too.
This normalized idea stems from the equalist perspective that men and women being equal should also share equal attitudes, prompts, and appetites for sex. This is a biological impossibility of course, but the conversation serves as a stark illustration of women expecting feminized men to identify with the feminine and prioritize that identification above any and all considerations about their experiences of being male.
Ultimately this is self-defeating for women because the nature of the Alpha guy that women crave pushes him to have sex, not to deny himself of it.
In fact, that sexual insistence is a prime indicator that a woman is dealing with an Alpha. The man agreeing to the patience and effort needed to “wait out” his wife’s frigidity is indicating that he’s not accustomed to insisting on, and getting what he wants. If he can sublimate his most powerful biological imperative – to get sex – what else is he willing to sublimate?
Sex is the glue that holds relationships together.
The ladies on the panel mock this idea for exactly the same reason Saira is tying herself in knots about not being hot for Steve. He needs sex, but he shouldn’t really need sex because it’s all about the person and not the mechanics. But it is exactly the mechanics of Hypergamy that are at the root of Saira’s need to solipsistically feel better about herself to the extent that she’ll publicly emasculate her husband on national TV.
As the show grinds on, all of the predictable rationales for wive’s self-consolations for a lack of sex get run down like a check list. Kids? Check. Career? Check. Never do they address that she’s a
Never do they address that she’s a 46-year-old woman raising small children or that her so overstressed condition is only one consequence of delaying what passes for motherhood to her for so long. I understand Saira and Steve struggled with infertility, but my guess is that this too was a physical result of the life choices she made and the difficulty of conceiving and carrying a child to term well after her fantastic sexual prime. I’m 48 and my daughter graduated high school this year so I can’t imagine facing parenthood in my mid/late 40s. This isn’t even an afterthought for the panel because it exposes the costs of the feminist-inspired careerism the show is triumphantly based upon.
Shit Tests and Marriage
As I mentioned earlier in this post, wives in this state will still shit test their husbands just as readily as any single woman. We are meant to believe, no we are expressly told, that Saira’s sexual revulsion is “normal” and it’s not Steve or his dedication that’s at issue. Yet during all of Saira’s journey of self-discovery about her lack of libido, she suggests that Steve go out and find a woman who will fuck him. At some stage in their great open communication, Saira gives Steve express permission to go out and bang another woman because she just can’t.
Naturally she couches this in the idea that she’s so devoted to him “as a person” that she just wants him to be happy, however, she is so repulsed by him, sex is a happiness she can’t find within herself to even feign for him. For all the shocked gasps from the women in the audience, what this amounts to is a very visceral shit test for Steve.
The purpose of the ‘dare’ for Saira is meant to determine whether Steve can still (if he ever) generate genuine sexual desire in other women. I’ve covered this dynamic in at least a dozen different posts – women want a man who other men want to be, and other women want to fuck. Steve’s steadfast devotion to his wife is anti-seductive and Saira, on some level of consciousness, knows this. If another woman found Steve attractive enough to bang it would generate Dread, social proof and confirm his preselection among other women. And as I’ve mentioned countless times, breakup sex (or near breakup sex) always trumps contrived, preplanned special occasion “date night” sex, which predictably is the suggestion that ends the second video.
And as I’ve mentioned countless times, breakup sex (or near breakup sex) always trumps contrived, preplanned special occasion “date night” sex, which predictably is the suggestion that ends the second video.
Steve, the dutiful Beta, is also predictably dumbfounded by her “suggestion”. He’s heartbroken from a feminized emotional perspective, but also because, like most Beta men, he’s heavily invested in the fallacy of Relational Equity. He’s observably sexually optionless so it’s a moot point, but if he were to muster up the balls and the Game to take her up on her oh so caring suggestion to fuck another woman, he risks losing the relationship equity he believes his rational, empowered wife should appreciate and factor into her attraction for him.
Thus, Steve comes up with rationalizations for why he didn’t take her up on her offer of permissive infidelity. He makes his necessity (really his optionlessness) a virtue and sticks to the standard Beta wait-it-out supportiveness he’s been conditioned for but is actually the source of his sexless marriage. He defaults to the “open communication” solves everything meme while ignoring the message that the medium of his wife’s sub-communication is telling him. Steve attributes everything (accurately) to his conditioning that most men, “typical blokes”, are Betas whose responsibility ought to be unconditional supportiveness when in fact they really have no other choice but to be so.
She doesn’t want to be ‘fixed’
One last thing occurred to me while I picked these clips apart. At the end, the panel of women defaults to the “it’s not you Steve, you’re a great guy, Saira’s just experiencing a normal frigidity that comes along for women in marriage.” I thought this was interesting because there’s a push to accept this frigidity as a normal phase women experience, but it still relies on the idea that sex and personal worth are two separate aspects of this problem.
If the root of this ‘normal’ problem is one about mechanics (it’s not Steve, it’s Saira’s physical/psychological malfunction) then I would expect there could be a mechanical solution to the problem. Even the fat brunette panelist suggest that all it takes is a better ‘effort’ on Saira’s part to get herself into the mood, but she even rejects this. Her problem isn’t a pharmaceutical one or a behavioral one, it’s a holistic one rooted in hardwired Hypergamy. So repulsive is the thought of fucking a Beta that Saira cannot psych herself up to do so.
I wondered if she would even consider taking the new “pink pill”, the female form of viagra, but I’ve read enough counter argument articles from women about it to know that women’s hardwired psychology prevents them from even chemically altering themselves to want to have sex with a man her Hypergamy cannot accept. My guess is that even a cheeky holiday in the Maldives won’t be enough to convince Saira to want to fuck Steve.
However, this simple fact, that women will refuse to take the Spanish Fly to work themselves up and bypass their Hypergamy for their Beta husband’s happiness, destroys the convention that her frigidity is the result of her biomechanics. She doesn’t want a pill to fix her because she knows it’s a holistic problem.
Saira knows how to please Steve sexually, she simply doesn’t want to, and it’s because Steve is Steve.
@ Hank Oh my. I can’t break down racial stuff in any meaningful way here, because this isn’t the place for it. Besides, I think it’s a dead end, circular conversation, lol. But I will give you my perspective regarding some of the things you mention, because it seems you really want to know. I”ve known many black people, lol, in my life. 90% do not hate my Caucasian brothers at all. We live in a society that is more segregated now, than it was during Jim Crow. I remember the segregated south quite well, but I grew up in… Read more »
Ha ha, Emily…. go fuck yourself.
“Was I being compared to this lady in the last topic?” Nope. You actually want to fuck your boyfriend. But your pastors told you not to. So you torture him and extort him into thinking he wants to marry you. Poor guy. Why don’t you degrade him further for being a 21 year old watching porn and jacking off behind your back. She’s pathetic. You’re worse. But you are young. You got time to learn. And waste you boyfriend’s time. And career. But you probably won’t have any desire to make it out of femininity triage. You’ll take the masculine… Read more »
“If I ever behave like this I hope my husband doesn’t take any of my shit.” Your boyfriend is already taking your shit. But it is OK if my boyfriend takes my Churcianism shit. After all I have his commitment at stake. I have my fantasy at stake as a 20.5 year old. You know damn well that once you control him, you will only manipulate him worse after marriage. The key to being happy for a woman in relationship game is not to be in control and dominate the boyfriend, husband, or father of your children. Like Steve and… Read more »
@blax Yeah, we’re on the same page. Its bad when you call someone out on their race when its like that’s their main contribution to society. Not a scientist, mother, garderner — “YOU ASIAN” lol. It paints them as the OTHER and is VALUE TAKING. Me though, I act as though its is AWESOME that they are the race they are. It makes them INTERESTING. “Oh, you are Japanese. I love japanese history. Everyone talks about samauri and ninja, but I think the warrior monks were the coolest. And I used to hate on the Emperor for modernizing Japan they… Read more »
pinelero – on Steve not doing the MRP dread steps – yes – it’s clear he is not doing that (too late for that now anyway after wifey publicly blew up the marriage), but it seems quite clear that he hasn’t done that in the past – but the point being once again – there are a myriad of conjectures as to why he may have chosen against that, that do not equate with Steve = chode, and I have already mentioned some of those possibilities – and here is anther one …… perhaps because he knows better that we… Read more »
@culum @yareally @habd Yeah, and this focus on openers is actually, bad. Trying to do set openers but it doesn’t feel right. Need to just OPEN, roll from what I get, then sexualize from what I get. Like the girl in bar who tried some dark beers but decided she prefered the lighter ones. And I just interpreted as dudes, lol, and wrapped it up with “I guess it isn’t true that once you go black you don’t go back.” and she responded with eh, whatever that rhyming this about likeing white dudes (IOI, lol, but girl was eeeehhh) Or… Read more »
YGBFSM When Rollo wakes up in the morning, how can he abide by the spam that the man still serves up? Loud and clear: Women hate Steve Hydes. They loathe to fuck them. They are revulsed by them. Maybe you shouldn’t swim against he red pill aware tide here. Guys figuring out shit her is normal. Trying to get out of your psychological conundrum is not OK unless you want to go all Robert Pirsig on us and are in his league. You are not. You are merely trying to work simple shit out. With a simple mindset you call… Read more »
i always ask myself how can those Beta-men get horny about a woman over 40 or even 45 in the first place. Dont we all want young hot chix, even as we get older?
And then acting sooo damn Beta that even an annoying ugly older woman rejects you like in this case… I have witnessed this shit in Germany as well, its sad but it happens all the time.
Softek: What I was getting at about the BPD thing, it was in response to what you said here: “You sound like ME, when I talk about my GF and her Beta Orbiters. She’s had some guy sleep over a couple times, but told me he tried to lay down with her and she shoved him off and told him to fuck off, and then she slept upstairs and made him sleep on the couch….and yet after pulling a ‘scumbag’ move like that, she still is good ‘friends’ with him….. …and keeping in touch with ex boyfriends that still want… Read more »
I don’t want to be in control. And yes, I do want my bf. I just want to be married first. I don’t want to be like Saira. I’m not like her, and I detest the women who support this behavior. And I agree that men on the receiving end of that sort of treatment should be pissed off. Instead, her husband is just taking her crap with a smile. It’s kind of disturbing. I actually agree w you guys here, and I’m not just saying that so I won’t have my post deleted (it’ll be deleted regardless.) She doesn’t… Read more »
SJF – “Loud and clear: Women hate Steve Hydes. They loathe to fuck them. They are revulsed by them. ” Yeah so? So …… to be redpill ……allow yourself to be controlled by what women want? But that’s bluepill – right? Mmmmmm – the thing is, the topic of – “what is redpill?” ……requires the ability to perform the following function: 1) Redpill = not bluepill: to be controlled by women => define the converse => to be controlled by? => only option: to be controlled by self 2) Redpill: provides for success with women 3) Therefore: Redpill: provides for… Read more »
Violence is not my solution. In one movie from here you got a scene when old Albainan tell to his son: If women wants to go there is no door or key to lock that door. Similar, if somebody do not want to be with me I am ok with that. What I want to say, I think that my wife is generaly fullfil with me, I can spot when somebody is laying me or making false smiles or filling. I am looking on her behavior, not words. But this man poup up…and he is contextual Alpha becayse of his… Read more »
@cattaro, a fellow countryman
One important detail here: when you and your wife run into this Mr Foody Freeride, is his wife present or is he alone?
@Cattaro
Consider the possibility that your wife is well behaved,foody is not.
Would your wife then be silent in his and your presence,to show respect for you and try to stop you from violence?
Maybe she considered him a friend at one point,until his intentions were made clear to her,now she is afraid of what you will do about it…..?
@Dunhil
Alone.
I had spoted Mr.Foody wife, just to compare. She is just a litle bit bigeer than her husbsnd, not ugly but no so prety in face. It was stronger than my to compare our wifes.
What do you mean with that question?
@stuffinbox You made a very good observation. Last time, a two day before, I spoted that man an came in that direction, with my wife. In last few times I had a strong need to go directly to that man, maybe with intention. And last time I had say good day to him and gone couple metars to put sam boxes. I had left my wife and him with purpose about 10-15 seconds, but observing whats hapening. Nada…It wuolud be normal for her to say something to him. When I turned around she ask me were to go…left or right.… Read more »
@Cattaro
Maybe foody is afraid of his wife,when you ask if she is well,then observe his emotion,you may see a tell from your wife also.maybe a smirk or knowing look.I am guessing that your marriage is stronger than foodys.
@cattaro I can’t say this applies to every situation, but from my experience I think she’s just screwing with you.The game old as time, “Let’s see how jealous we can make him”. Why am I saying this? Surprisingly, the two of you never bumped into the guy with his wife, he was always solo. If she truly saw him as “all that great of a man”, shouldn’t it be normal to say “Hey honey, that’s that sweet neighbor I was talking to you about, ‘Good day Mr Foody how are you and your family?; “. Again, I think this goes… Read more »
@Cattaro
It sounds to me as if your wife has spent more time alone with foody than you have,he may have confided in her his bad situation.
In last couple month (2-3 times that my wife had pointed on MrF) I had behave by the RP…do that, dont do that, be aloof, dont pay atention and other RP advices. But that number in the phone had change something. Maybe…whem I mention to my wife about him she will tell something like, he is nice, he only gave her a drive when she was emotional or when was raining, or that is ok to have somebody in life who can help somethime. Everything is ok answer, I am not creasy to belive than I can stop they comunication… Read more »
@dunhil
Zemljace dragi…ali ostacemo anonimni…
@Man.. praxeology doesn’t have to be logically consistent, as it’s not a science. Don’t be a Steve.
Being your own man while simultaneously trying to optimize your game with women is not contradictory.
That marriage is over. Steve fit the bill (at the time) because the woman’s clock was ticking on having kids (at 35) and she needed someone (anyone) to fill that role. Along came Steve, he was a good beta (a good provider) and he would be a good dad. Now, after the kids, she no longer needs him. She’ll have the government backing her up and she’ll take him to court (the cleaners) to provide her with all of her needs. She has her career, she’ll have the kids, the house, the dog, car, alimony, child support, etc…but she’ll probably… Read more »
“….I’m just kinda confused…..”
Out of the mouths of babes, oft times come gems (Matthew 21:16)…. The only congruent, authentic comment she’s ever posted here.
Post your boyfriend’s email address here.
@Man
Do you have a girlfriend? fuck buddy? Sister? You need to get out of your house and start implementing this shit. Experiment for yourself. Go all-out alpha leader for a while, then try out egalitarianism and golden rule. See what happens.
I suppose a man could “pass” the test by going ahead and having an affair. But in many cases that will shitcan the marriage, which is where it was headed anyway. Query whether the affair actually does anything to help the husband, other than perhaps showing his STBX he could actually get another woman to sleep with him. And to what end? It causes him to make himself more attractive to women and to start doing things that actually attract women. That gives him a head start on doing what he will have to do anyway when his wife drops… Read more »
Sex changes people. Hormones and all that. I’m assuming Emily’s a virgin. I haven’t been keeping up with any of her comments and am just going by her most recent one about ‘wanting to stay abstinent’ until marriage. Can a guy really establish Frame and really prove that he’s in control of it without having sex with a girl he’s in a ‘relationship’ with? Most people in the west are Christian. I left all that so far behind I can’t really conceive of this anymore, but I was raised in it, so I know what it’s like (complete with the… Read more »
@softek
“I’m assuming Emily’s a virgin”
rofl
she is quite sexually experienced, then shut it down to become a born again virgin
for anybody who hasn’t read Rollo’s older stuff, the reason the “born again” qualifier is relevant:
https://therationalmale.com/2013/12/03/saving-the-best/
Also, about LTRs/marriage: My friend dated his ex-wife for 7 years before they married. And he was fucking other women without restraint right up until his wedding day. In his words, “I’d done enough whoring around.” He’d had his fill, according to him probably around 1100-1200 women. But just banging other chicks will not automatically give you good Frame. He is proof positive of that. He didn’t know any better and made a lot of classic Blue Pill mistakes in his marriage, like buying her flowers and chocolate when he thought he did something wrong, trying to be more sensitive,… Read more »
@ Softek Religion can be a valuable spiritual tool if one is in a congregation of like minded individuals. (I.e men aligned with a goal in a tribe.) I did not ever have the experience of my religious upbringing “complete with the guilt/shame/self-denial, praying to god begging for forgiveness for sinning, thinking I would go to hell for masturbation and/or premarital sex, etc.” It just never came up much and I wasn’t turned off to the idea that the religion was negative. I had quite a fondness for the virtues that were espoused (even if I later moved on from… Read more »
@ redlight I KNEW I was going to get a “rofl.” I haven’t been keeping up with her comments but I had a feeling that was coming. Lmao. The picture’s getting clearer now. I have known ACTUALLY abstinent Christian girls. Had I known better at the time I could’ve fucked them, and quite easily. Head was too far up my ass to know any better. One was talking to me about how scary/ugly they thought dicks were, how they couldn’t imagine having sex, how gross they thought cum was, and then sent me a picture of some guy fucking a… Read more »
“Can a guy really establish Frame and really prove that he’s in control of it without having sex with a girl he’s in a ‘relationship’ with?” @Softek Technically, I would say yes. But, there’s no reason for it IMO. I view frame as having control over your emotions. The reality you create doesn’t really matter as long as it is what you believe in and you never waiver from that. I honestly don’t even understand the whole frame is not power stuff. “I think it’s pretty probable. It’s amazing to me, but there it is, proof positive that fucking women… Read more »
“getting a high N count is somehow going to magically cure all of a guy’s problems.”
No, but it is what you need right now. Getting with only one woman can be seeking a completion in life if, you let it. Stop hoping for a completion of anything in life. It’s never going to be over so stop waiting for the good stuff.
When you get some energy built up, Softek, get off your ass and start moving. Every moment waited is a moment wasted, and each moment wasted degrades you.
“Like, when Blaximus is giving Scribblerg a hard time about chasing pussy I don’t really get it…”
I don’t even see what Scribblerg is doing now as chasing pussy or pussy begging, it’s pussy happening
It’s like telling someone who goes to a Starbucks that they are chasing coffee or coffee begging. No, I’m just having coffee and this is how you order it.
@ SJF Richard Wurmbrand and F.W. Robertson are two Christian authors that pretty radically changed my view of Christianity. If you’re ever interested I recommend you check them out. Zen is my ‘religion’ of choice. The very nature of zen is abstract and anti-authoritarian and it isn’t a religion. I have a hard time even calling it “zen” because pretending it’s something that actually exists is kind of contradictory to how it works. To each his own. I have too much baggage with religion to be open to it again; if my early experiences with it were different I might… Read more »
“I don’t even see what Scribblerg is doing now as chasing pussy or pussy begging, it’s pussy happening”
Yeah. Nothing wrong with celebrating little victories. As long as we don’t dwell on them too long I guess.
“The reality you create doesn’t really matter as long as it is what you believe in and you never waiver from that.” Exactly this. I honestly don’t even understand the whole frame is not power stuff. Did you actually read the original post? Steve Hyde had a frame that he believe in and never wavered from. In my first three years of really applying game, my frame was tight. My dominant wife’s frame was tighter, I didn’t have power with my frame. Now we are entering equilibrium, without actually controlling each other. “Blaximus is giving Scribblerg a hard time about… Read more »
So as not to confuse:
Andy: “I honestly don’t even understand the whole frame is not power stuff.”
“The point Blax was making was always hold to your deepest realization (whatever that may be) and never change your mind just to please a woman.”
It came off more like he was calling him a loser.
“she is quite sexually experienced, then shut it down to become a born again virgin”
except on Spring Break…
Emily sees herself in Saira. The connection, the behaviors, the internal conflict between the dual natures of Hypergamy and (in Emily’s case) the prospect of having to build a life with a man who’s basic sexual nature can be so easily used as a form of control over him is frustrating. She gets constant groveling attention from her orbiters on the TBP subred, but they are tiresome for the same reasons her BF is – they don’t push back. Beta sycophants are like eating junk food for women; it’s appealing when they’re hungry, but after they’ve eaten it they feel… Read more »
“It came off more like he was calling him a loser.”
Lol, he most certainly covertly implied that. Nothing wrong with busting a guys balls in comments/discussion. It tightens his (Scribbler’s) game. He probably when out and fucked a girl in retaliation.
@ SJF Pulling back is step 1. Need more time and energy. She’s simply demanding too much. I need space for myself. She is making this very hard by constantly shaming me for ‘needing space’ and getting all passive aggressive with it, like “fine, I’ll give you space, you don’t fucking care about me at all, have fun with your girls on the Internet. I’m so fucking stupid for telling you I love you” and shit like that, and then going through her rolodex all day, like dozens and dozens of messages trying to make me feel sorry for her,… Read more »
I really can’t understand why you guys continuously blow smoke up scribbler’s ass, over and over and over again. The guy is a nasty asshole with no respect for anyone, most of all himself. I don’t see him contributing anything to the discussions here, except unnecessary friction where it doesn’t belong. He’s the reason I stopped getting involved in discussions here and relating personal stories and experiences; it wasn’t worth it anymore. He’s a disrespectful douchebag, not a comrade. I can understand calling people out on stuff, but he’s extremely loose with the insults and a keyboard tough guy who… Read more »
@andy
“Nothing wrong with celebrating little victories. As long as we don’t dwell on them too long I guess.”
It wasn’t celebrating/bragging. It was telling how a mindset change, thanks to Ya, got him to a better place, a place that all men can go to if they want
It’s tough message for older married guys, as it means that the opportunity cost of 50 year old pussy isn’t just other 50 year old pussy, as the FI requires you to believe
By the book he basically did everything right. And yet the marriage still fell apart. Granted, his ex wife had serious issues, and was just a time bomb waiting to go off Basically he messed up the single most important part… vetting and choosing. It’s not an iron clad guarantee, but the right choice can avoid many iron clad guarantees… Same with this whole “wrinkly 40 year olds” nonsense. there are many, many 40’s women that are very hot. Are they hotter than 20’s women…? no – apples to apples compare her to her younger self. But that does not… Read more »
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-uhg1RjT5-1E/UPZVFEMtOHI/AAAAAAAALiw/05nS9teXBRo/s1600/christy-turlington_nude-on-tv_black-and-white-10.jpg
1993 – 24YO Christy demonstrating strong arm and wrist game…
“We gotta drop the judgments here and get guys in the zone of asking themselves “What do I want?””
Truth.
“Pulling back is step 1.”
Not truth. lol. Breaking up with her is step 1. Put yourself first man. Do you even enjoy fucking this girl at this point, or do you just feel like you’ve caved on your principles? She sounds like a high maintenance, codependent pain in the ass.
I should also add here that Emily will likely discard her BF soon because she sees the same easy sublimation of his interest that Steve displays. As I said in the OP, if a guy will repress his strongest desire to satisfy the Frame requirements of a woman, women’s hindbrains register this as a Beta tell. Only optionless Betas subscribe to a mindset that informs them their only shot at reproduction is acquiescing to a woman’s Frame. If that guy will repress that base instinct it’s a strong tell that he’s unused to asserting his own Frame. This is why… Read more »
pinelero – your comments: “@Man.. praxeology doesn’t have to be logically consistent, as it’s not a science. Don’t be a Steve.” Yes – don’t be Steve. Goes without questioning imo, if by that you mean the necessity for a man to avoid Steve’s situation. I hope that is what you mean. If you mean something else – well tell me then. But I don’t see why we really need to talk about the necessity of avoiding Steve’ situation, because that is implicitly a given “as obvious” wrt the topics of discussion at this blogspot – right?. This blogsopt is actually… Read more »
@TheManFromFantasyville
What many here want apparently (a redpill-pretend-land for bluepill chodes to pretend-feelz they be the superior, or “alpha” men and all).
lol
“Being your own man” is not contingent on “optimizing your game with women”.
This is deep shit. (on the order of “water is wet”) Glad I wore my boots.
@Rollo @Emily I should also add here that Emily will likely discard her BF soon because she sees the same easy sublimation of his interest that Steve displays. It seems to me that Emily ought to be (if she isn’t already) wondering the same thing. Maybe she is fucking other men and is only abstinent with her fiancé, lol. She finds him soooo hot! Can barely control herself when he’s around! Or maybe she all of a sudden discovered an unusual level of self control. But then there’s that thing about her flirting with other men on facebook while she… Read more »
Apple
https://www.instagram.com/p/BGTKY_YqbjR/
35 YO Tree
https://www.instagram.com/p/BFqd7RuKbq3/
@Kid
I really can’t understand why you guys continuously blow smoke up scribbler’s ass, over and over and over again.
I recommend the mouse wheel. I use it heavily. If scrib has something helpful to say, which he occasionally does, other people point it out and I’ll go check it out.
@Sentient
1993 – 24YO Christy demonstrating strong arm and wrist game…
I thought I observed some Kegel exercises in that pic. Good that girls still do that.
@Rollo She gets constant groveling attention from her orbiters on the TBP subred, but they are tiresome for the same reasons her BF is – they don’t push back. Beta sycophants are like eating junk food for women; it’s appealing when they’re hungry, but after they’ve eaten it they feel like shit because the quality is shit. I’m the fucking king of push-back, lol. I can smell Trixie’s juices whenever I post about her, lol. Not that it means shit to me. Fuck me, I totally missed a “take-me-home” hint from a hottie last Sat. night. Real-time calibration issue. Even… Read more »
asd:
You quoted: “Being your own man” is not contingent on “optimizing your game with women”.
You said: “This is deep shit. (on the order of “water is wet”) Glad I wore my boots.”
Tell me then, why you side with SJF precisely when he disagrees with something so obvious that it is on the order of water being wet? What gives with you?
@ Rollo “and her psychological twisting of him with regard to pornography” When did she do this? I haven’t been following, and I’m curious. “They fundamentally reconstruct and recondition the abused to have negative associations about sex and reconstruct it to serve the exploitative Frame of the abuser.” Sounds familiar. Only thing holding me together lately has been lying. I’m not lying very convincingly so I wonder if she even believes me when I say “No” when she asks if I’ve been going on porn, or thinking about having sex with other women. Like, of fucking course I am. I… Read more »
@all this gay shit about critiquing scribb’s mindset is bullshit. look, unless you’re out there swimming in a sea of young pussy, you really just don’t know what it’s like and can’t really critique the mindset of a dude who’s out there. like, if I were to come at him and talk about his way of thinking, of if Ya were, we’d be telling him from a place of experience. we’re walking the path he’s on, so we’re just telling him what works for us. and he takes it and uses it in his life, just like me and ya… Read more »
asd – hey – just wondering, why aren’t you taking Mrs Gamer out dancing with you? Is it cause she doesn’t want to go with you? If so – why not? Is she financially dependent on you? Are you attempting to spike interest for you, among other women – for what reason exactly? It seems you avoid taking it all the way to the sex thing with other women from what you have said – right? So is this just your way of instilling some married-guy dread into your relationship with Mrs Gamer, to spice up your bedroom? Does it… Read more »
@TheManFromFantasyville
Tell me then, why you side with SJF precisely when he disagrees with something so obvious that it is on the order of water being wet? What gives with you?
I didn’t side with him on that point, if he even made it, lol. Do you have a reference to SJF saying that, or is this just more fantasy?
Softek, you need to break this off with the GF. I casually read through your posts, but they are always different ways of saying the same thing about this woman. You know what she is, you know she’s a high risk for ‘accidental pregnancy’, you know she’s desperate to lock you down in her single-mother Epiphany Phase, you know she displays glaring signs of being BPD, etc. You need to cut this off now. You keep expressing some hope that it will cut itself off, or she will blow things up on her own, but this is the pacifists hope… Read more »
Steve’s relationship is PERFECT. It is in EXACT ALIGNMENT with his Frame. His Frame, which he voluntarily maintains, is that of a Beta male. Weak, submissive, and priming him perfectly to be cuckolded. Similarly, my relationship with my GF is perfect. It’s in exact alignment with my Frame. This is how it always works. It’s the only way it CAN work. Your Frame is your reality, period, end of story. I’m sticking to this idea of women having no Frame, because I think it can help men to realize that the man’s Frame – as far as the man is… Read more »
@TheManFromFantasyville asd – hey – just wondering, why aren’t you taking Mrs Gamer out dancing with you? Is it cause she doesn’t want to go with you? Lol, she doesn’t like the country crowd where women go after men aggressively. When we go out dancing together, she usually invites me to some ballroom event. So, your assumption that I don’t take Mrs. Gamer out dancing is more fantasy. Sometimes I don’t take her…like when I go to dance country, which is often. I’m still working on my books about dancing, etc. Going out helps a lot to see what reality… Read more »
“It’s something only you can psychologically impose on yourself. Steve Hyde doesn’t even realize he’s his own worst enemy. His frame is the frame of a weak, submissive man. And his wife is responding in kind to that. She’s responding like any woman would to a man with a weak, submissive frame.” @Softek Exactly, the way I look at is that women have evolved to invoke emotional responses in men. Alphas don’t fall into their frame, betas do. Some are sweet, some do BPD shit, some shame, some are ridiculously hot, all employ varying degrees of these strategies. Strengthening your… Read more »
Softek – go outside… just stop typing…
@ Rollo Didn’t see your comment above before your last post. That’s the tough reality I’m facing now too. I’m at a breaking point where my inner Beta is screaming at me to stay, and just put up with it, because deep down I feel like I can’t do any better and will never have another chance again with any women, ever. i.e., fear of catastrophic loss. My rationalizations, etc., are all manifestations of that fear. One of my own friends in an old BPD relationship says his main regret was that she broke up with him, not him with… Read more »
@Softek, well said. I’ll be quoting this in an upcoming post. I think there’s a bit more to the meta of Frame than what you’re waking up to, but you’re basically restating what I was writing.
asd – what about the other questions I asked you?
@ Sentient
On my way out the door now, I’ll be back to read comments later. My head feels like it’s going to explode and I could use some fresh air, lol.
@Wildman
Check out my blog if you want to know my answers:
https://theasdgamer.wordpress.com/2014/10/23/managing-your-relationship-with-your-wifegirlfriend/
https://theasdgamer.wordpress.com/2014/12/31/std-testing-before-sex/
@The Questionable Man
what about my questions, to repeat:
Can you trust Emily? Can Emily’s BF trust her?
Also see the following:
https://theasdgamer.wordpress.com/2015/10/29/married-men-keep-track-of-sex/
https://theasdgamer.wordpress.com/2014/05/12/sexual-macrodynamics/
Only an asshole would reveal personal information about her husband. Western women are assholes. Mentally remove their hair, makeup, boobs, pussies, and butts and note how they behave. They act like assholes. The more I think it through, the more I believe it’s less about biology and more about our culture – our culture of spoiling Western women via ass kissing and the religion of women which elevates them to divine, mystic status — which turns women into spoiled assholes. The audiences and viewers of these shows are spoiled, asshole women of leisure. They are, essentially, prostitutes who have purchased… Read more »
@Bachelorocles, completely agree, however, the biology is the raw stuff that the culture has to work with.
But, yeah.
@ Rollo I see it exactly as restating what you’re writing. Just a different perspective. Being into zen and all has shifted my thinking quite a bit. The Gateless Gate and the Blue Cliff Records are some of my favorites. Also The Unfettered Mind. It occurred to me because my rampant obsessing about this girl has clouded my thinking and made me lose sight of reality: that I DO have a Frame. It’s just a Frame that is making me feel unhappy, miserable, and out of control, and her responding to it (disrespecting me, walking all over me, taking advantage… Read more »
@scray
this gay shit about critiquing scribb’s mindset is bullshit. look, unless you’re out there swimming in a sea of young pussy, you really just don’t know what it’s like and can’t really critique the mindset of a dude who’s out there.
Lol. Kid Jupiter was critiquing scribb’s dickish behavior towards old married farts like Blax and me, not scribb’s “mindset”. I pretty much agreed with Kid’s criticisms, but didn’t see them as particularly important since there is such an easy work-around. Since you made a big issue of it, I’ll lol at you.
@softek
jesus, just go fuck a few more women. they can be within a point of your BPD nightmare because her BPD makes her so unbearable that a woman like a point lower who is agreeable will seem like a godsend in comparison.
giddyap, get on it, go go go.
@theasdgamer seeing as how i didn’t really read much of anything you could be totally right lol ‘Since you made a big issue of it, I’ll lol at you.’ oh shit, not that. i mean, it’s easy when you’re first starting to slay to be kind of a dick toward married (actually MONOGAMOUS) guys, tho. like, i’m respectful to SJF and Blax even tho I still don’t quite get it because you know, respect is a good thing to keep among men — if we’re civil on this one issue, maybe on another issue they give me some valuable insight… Read more »
Softek – if your girl truly is BPD, truth be told, even if you are the one to break it off with her, ultimately that is not the reality that will take hold in her mind, longer term. She will eventually (or even more suddenly) turn it around in her mind, like she did the rejecting. She really can’t do it any other way. So……. the very very fucked up thing about this is……. Rollo is right …. best if you get the satisfaction for yourself of taking positive action …….. but, in the end, if she is BPD it… Read more »
Great point, Rollo. I think our culture enables and fosters hyper-growth of the worst aspects of raw female psychology like solipsism and hypergamy. Our culture holds me responsible for containing the worst aspect of my maleness, which is physical violence. But it doesn’t hold women responsible for containing the worst aspects of femaleness, which are social and interrelationship violence, solipsism, hypergamy, and out of control emotions.
@scray i mean, it’s easy when you’re first starting to slay to be kind of a dick toward married (actually MONOGAMOUS) guys Yeah, cuz they’re not typically out where there’s abundant poon and are relying on a mindset that is very dated. I laugh at myself all the time because of missing shit real-time because of ASD, so dickishness towards monogamous men isn’t taken personally. ‘Since you made a big issue of it, I’ll lol at you.’ oh shit, not that. Shit Negro! That’s all you had to say! If you don’t fucking know Pulp Fiction….[shakin’ mah haid] I’m always… Read more »
red – I did try to answer that question in the last thread but my ass was banned by the time I tried to post it. Here it is now: “Anyway, the week ago stuff (wrt to Sentient’s analysis of one of Emily’s comments) – so what? Not relevant to this particular discussion on Steve/Saira ….. Sentient did a very nice job of that analysis – but I made comment to that, in the thread in question, and my comment there covers why I think it would not be relevant to the framing of the Steve/Siara thing, here. Now since… Read more »
Softek
“This applies to business as well. It should be no surprise that I have more than a few people who owe me quite a bit of money. Getting taken advantage of is a response to Frame as well. Frame is simply the basis of our entire life”
demonstrating my recent point: “If you are weak you will be crushed by women. Always. And you are likely being crushed in other aspects of your life as well.”
https://therationalmale.com/2016/06/16/late-life-hypergamy/comment-page-2/#comment-160329
But so what? If you don’t DO anything about it, nothing matters.
@theasd
“Yeah, cuz they’re not typically out where there’s abundant poon and are relying on a mindset that is very dated. “
yeah. like, idk man i’ll go to a target-rich venue with tons of 20-24 year old puss just walking around and i’m like ‘holy fuck what the fuck.’ just can’t settle on just one…..just can’t.
I like pulp fiction and all, but….that brings me to the real elephant in the room. I’m almost 30 and like, my pop culture references to younger chicks are starting to be more dated. ‘what’s that?’ they say…
feel old.
As it stands, not getting married is your best path. IMO. However, if you want kids/family. I don’t know. Shared parenting laws are rolling out slowly. Spousal support reforms too…slowly. Disincentives to frivorce matter.
Ironic that anything that enables you to more easily leave your relationship or marriage, strengthens your relationship or marriage.
Blue pill chivalry and soul mate nonsense must fucking die. It must die a death so complete that it never returns. To be replaced by a healthy contempt for women.
Steve, the hapless beta, needs redpill rage.
Bachelorocles
“Our culture holds me responsible for containing the worst aspect of my maleness, which is physical violence. But it doesn’t hold women responsible for containing the worst aspects of femaleness, which are social and interrelationship violence, solipsism, hypergamy, and out of control emotions.”
Yes – but ……. do yo think men as a whole, are complicit in this arrangement (like do you believe that women could behave with more maturity, but don’t because there are incentives for behaving otherwise, and if so, would it not follow that men are also complicit wrt said incentives)?
http://ppcorn.com/us/wp-content/uploads/sites/14/2016/02/Kate-Upton-1-ppcorn.jpg
Kate demonstrating abundant side boob game, but questionable upper arm game… catch and release only…
@The Questionable Man
When Emily discussed on the Internet her daliances with the other boy, did she cross any of line of yours? When Kelly Ripa publicly revealed private business dealings which was to the detriment of her co-host, but helped her, did she cross any line of yours? Do you trust people who back stab others?
“i mean, it’s easy when you’re first starting to slay to be kind of a dick toward married (actually MONOGAMOUS) guys . . .” I dealt with it (until now when other events have made it broadly relevant) by just ignoring it, but the fact of the matter is that Scribbler announced another round of rage by unloading on me first. Who has been through the bitch-on-wheels marriage and divorce ringer, advises men not to get married and is in the game with young hotties. He isn’t “being a dick toward married” men. He is, as is his wont now… Read more »
@ redlight @ Andy ” It wasn’t celebrating/bragging. It was telling how a mindset change, thanks to Ya, got him to a better place, a place that all men can go to if they want It’s tough message for older married guys, as it means that the opportunity cost of 50 year old pussy isn’t just other 50 year old pussy, as the FI requires you to believe” No. That’s an opinion, not a fact. ” “I don’t even see what Scribblerg is doing now as chasing pussy or pussy begging, it’s pussy happening” Yeah. Nothing wrong with celebrating little… Read more »
asd – you quoted: “Tell me then, why you side with SJF precisely when he disagrees with something so obvious that it is on the order of water being wet? What gives with you?” The you said: “I didn’t side with him on that point, if he even made it, lol. Do you have a reference to SJF saying that, or is this just more fantasy?” Look it just beating a dead house at this point – but I think I gotta set the record straight here (again) – SJF did repeatedly imply, many times now, over two threads, that… Read more »
“Kate … catch and release only…”
Man the harpoons.
http://i1133.photobucket.com/albums/m585/ninetynine99/kate-upton-beach-bunny-backstage-4.jpg
@Softek “When she broke up with him he was blindsided.” One of the major reasons you need to break it off instead of letting her do it, and you won’t understand this or beleive it until it happens, is that if YOU break it off, you’ll come out of it mentally ready to be single because it was your choice. You’ll be sad for a tiny window of time and then tear the fuck out of hitting up girls because you’ll mentally be done with her and moved on. But if SHE breaks it off, the push/pull will instinctively trigger… Read more »
@Blax
Got it. Thx. Personally I value your opinion, so feel free to call me out if you have anything to say.
@The Man “Yes – but ……. do yo think men as a whole, are complicit in this arrangement (like do you believe that women could behave with more maturity, but don’t because there are incentives for behaving otherwise, and if so, would it not follow that men are also complicit wrt said incentives)?” That’s a great question. I have two red pill buddies and we talk about this one a lot. Our current position is it’s 100% the fault of men who kiss ass and enable the horrible female behavior we see in US women. We believe it starts at… Read more »
red: “When Emily discussed on the Internet her daliances with the other boy, did she cross any of line of yours? When Kelly Ripa publicly revealed private business dealings which was to the detriment of her co-host, but helped her, did she cross any line of yours? Do you trust people who back stab others?” Red – I gotta go now, so I’ll just give you the short answer – where the lines are – that is contextual. So, for Ripa – no, not that I can see (as I already explained in last thread), and for Emily – no,… Read more »
Kate Upton needs a nutritionist and personal trainer. She also needs someone who would tell her, and who she would listen to, that she has a broken metabolism already at her young age and that she will ALWAYS be prone to gain weight. If she does not make major dietary and exercise changes she will be a plus size by the time she is 30. Or she will starve herself on starvation diets and end up skinny fat, and haggard. But if she would commit to some species appropriate nutritional regimen she looks to have good genetics; ie she could… Read more »
@ Andy
Remember how we went at it in the beginning??
Lol.
You are a good dude. I can talk to you about anything, and we can go round and round.
Thanks Bro.
Blax – “Of course, Dominos doesn’t deliver pussy to one’s front door’
Dominatrix’s does however… they take credits cards as well.