Commenter YaReally dropped an interesting set of videos in last week’s comment thread and I thought I’d riff on them for a bit today. I’m not familiar with Loose Women (the TV show anyway), but from what I gather, it’s on par with The View or any similar mid-day women’s talk show. I don’t make a habit of watching shows dedicated to entertaining women’s need for indignation, but I regularly have readers email or tweet me segments asking for my take on certain aspects of them or how they relate to Red Pill awareness.
It should come as no shock to my readers that shows of this formula are a social manifestation of women’s base natures. Every conversation takes on a sense of seriousness and gravity, but the tone and the presumptuousness that drives these conversations are rooted in women’s solipsism. All iterations of this show are presented from a perspective that assumes a pre-understood feminine primacy. It’s also no coincidence that the rise in popularity of women’s talk shows has paralleled the comfort women have in embracing Hypergamy openly.
Whenever I get a link to something the women on The View discuss it’s almost always a confirmation of some Red Pill principle I’ve covered previously, and in this instance Loose Women doesn’t disappoint. Saira Khan (I apologize for my lack of knowing who she is or why I should care to) related to the panel of women – and the expectedly disproportionate female audience – that at 46 years of age and two children (only one by her husband) she has entered some commonly acknowledged phase where she finds herself lacking all libido for her husband.
I decided to write a full post on these clips because Saira amply demonstrates every facet of the latter phases of maturity I outlined in Preventive Medicine. She begins her self-serving apologetics by prequalifying her previously “fantastic sex life in her younger years” and moves on to her bewilderment over her lack of arousal for her glaringly Beta husband. We’ll get to him later, but she’s a textbook example of a woman in what I termed the Alpha Reinterest phase from Preventive Medicine. Granted, at 46 Saira is experiencing this “stage” a bit later than most women, but we have to consider the difficulty she had in having and adjusting to children later in life – all undoubtedly postponed by her obvious fempowerment mentality and careerism.
I love you, but I’m not in love with you
It’s likely most men in the Red Pill sphere have experienced and discussed this very common trope. Saira is quick to apply a version of this standard self-excusing social convention. She “loves her husband” and “he’s a great man”, but lately(?) she simply has no desire to fuck him. I’m highlighting this because it’s an important part of the psychology and the self-excusing rationales that revolve around the less-than-optimal outcome of women’s dualistic (AF/BB) sexual strategy.
It may serve readers better to review the Preventive Medicine series of posts, but the short version is this: Once a woman has settled on a man for her post-SMV peak life plans, and the routine and regimen of a life less exciting than her Party Years begins to reveal the nature of a (usually Beta) man she settled on, that’s when the subconscious sexual revulsion of him begins. The feral nature of
Hypergamy begins to inform her subconscious understanding of her situation – the man she settled for will never compare to the idealized sexuality of the men she’s been with prior to him. Alpha-qualifying shit tests (fitness tests) naturally follow, but Saira herself describes her sexual revulsion for Steve as a sense of “panic” at the thought of him expecting her to be genuinely sexual with him.
As such, there becomes a psycho-social imperative need to blunt and/or forgive these feelings for the “lack of libido” women experience for their Beta husbands. Thus, we get the now clichéd tropes about how “it’s not you, it’s me” or “I love you, but I’m not in love with you.” Both of which amount to the same message – I love you, but I have no desire to fuck you. You’re a great guy and a swell husband, but my pussy only gets wet for Alpha.
Saira exemplifies this in her assessment of her husband (Steve), but more so, she illustrates the disconnection she knows is necessary to insulate her ego from knowing exactly what’s “wrong” with her. The problem with her lack of libido becomes separated from the source, Steve. So she says it’s not him, she just doesn’t want to do it.
She qualifies herself as someone loveable (she still cuddles and gets comfort from Steve), but this lovable ‘good person’ doesn’t want her lack of arousal to be something to disqualify her from feeling good about herself.
Solution: make sex separate and ancillary to her relationship with her husband.
For women in this phase, sex is equated with a chore. It’s a chore because it’s not something she has a desire to do, but still feels obligated to do. Steve walks through the door at 6 and her subconscious understands that the expectation of her is that she should be aroused by this Beta man she’s trapped into living with for the rest of her life. Hypergamy informs her subconscious and the manifestation is to find ways to avoid sex with a man her Hypergamous sense acknowledges is a suboptimal sexual pairing. Her conscious, emotive, female mind understands that she should want to fuck him, but it wars with her hindbrain that is repulsed by just the imagining of it.
In order to contend with the internal conflict created by Hypergamy, and a woman’s settling on a poor consolidation of it, social conventions had to be created to make separating sexual arousal (Alpha Fucks) from women’s personal worth (Beta Bucks investment) and the attending bad feelings it causes for them.
Ironically, this show’s original premise was based on the question of whether sex was even a “must” on a couple’s wedding night. This is a prime example of separating desireless sex from women’s sense of personal worth. I wrote about this in Separating Values. If sex is ancillary or only an occasional bonus, it ceases to be a deal-breaking factor in marriage for women when they don’t have a desire to fuck their Beta husbands.
Conflating Values
One of the major problems women have, and more than even some red pill men have, is the conflation of sexual market value with their intrinsic personal value as a human being.
It needs to be emphasized that while personal value is influential in sexual market value, SMV is distinct from your value as a human being. I’m stressing this because, in the age Disney Princess empowerment, this conflation of the two has become a go-to social convention; and not just for women.
What Korth suffers from is presuming her personal value is her sexual market value.
It’s disruptive to her self-perceptions and ego-investments when that presumption is challenged by a man who doesn’t want to fuck her for reasons based on the intrinsic value she believes she’s entitled to by virtue of maturity and imaginings of self-sufficiency. Just as women aren’t aroused by men’s own self-concepts of virtuousness and aspirations of higher purpose, men aren’t aroused by whatever ephemeral self-perceptions a woman may have.
In Khan’s case, she (and the many women in the audience who nod in agreement with her) must devalue sex as an article or an object rather than accept that it’s something she wants to engage in, just not with Steve.
There are many other social conventions that aid women in avoiding sex with Beta husbands. An even more common convention is the popularly accepted idioms that “sex just naturally declines after marriage” or “men and women often have mismatched libidos.” Both of these have filtered into our popular consciousness, but they serve the same latent purpose – excusing a lack of desire caused by women interpreting their husband’s lack of Alpha sub-communications. Wives don’t get tingles from Beta husbands, thus, they need to find ways to offset the bad feelings for themselves first, and their husbands secondarily.
The trick in this is women not personalizing their lack of arousal with a husband’s self-worth – “it’s not you, it’s me” – and deferring to some naturally occurring biological or psychological event that can be conveniently attached to the mystique of women.
It’s not you, but it is you
Thus, the rationale morphs from “it’s not you, it’s me” into “it’s not you, it’s the time/circumstance/effort/need for help with the chores/phase of my mysterious woman-ness” that’s causing her lack of sexual desire.” She’s got a busy life, she’s got kids, and in her pursuit of perfection in these arenas, sex somehow falls by the wayside – or at least the kind of non-obligatory, hot, urgent sex she used to enjoy in her fantastic youth. It’s not you, it’s just life.
It’s not you, it’s wives ‘naturally’ lose interest in sex. It’s not you, it’s that she panics at the thought of you expecting her to be aroused by you.
If sex can be delimited to being all about the person then a lack of women’s arousal can’t be blamed on the mechanics of sex. So when men complain about a lack of sex from their wives or a lack of enthusiastic genuine desire, we get the response we hear from the panel of women on the show; a sarcastic shaming of men who raise the issue that their wives are frigid with them.
“Oh, how can men survive without sex?” or a sarcastic “No bloke can be in a relationship without sex” is a deemphasizing of the importance that the role of sex plays in a marriage and any intersexual relationship. Once again this is due to the separating of personal worth of a woman from the sexual mechanics of Hypergamy that prompt her to genuine arousal. The easiest solution is to cast men into the same sexual expectations as women; if women can forego sex then men ought to be able to “survive” without it too.
This normalized idea stems from the equalist perspective that men and women being equal should also share equal attitudes, prompts, and appetites for sex. This is a biological impossibility of course, but the conversation serves as a stark illustration of women expecting feminized men to identify with the feminine and prioritize that identification above any and all considerations about their experiences of being male.
Ultimately this is self-defeating for women because the nature of the Alpha guy that women crave pushes him to have sex, not to deny himself of it.
In fact, that sexual insistence is a prime indicator that a woman is dealing with an Alpha. The man agreeing to the patience and effort needed to “wait out” his wife’s frigidity is indicating that he’s not accustomed to insisting on, and getting what he wants. If he can sublimate his most powerful biological imperative – to get sex – what else is he willing to sublimate?
Sex is the glue that holds relationships together.
The ladies on the panel mock this idea for exactly the same reason Saira is tying herself in knots about not being hot for Steve. He needs sex, but he shouldn’t really need sex because it’s all about the person and not the mechanics. But it is exactly the mechanics of Hypergamy that are at the root of Saira’s need to solipsistically feel better about herself to the extent that she’ll publicly emasculate her husband on national TV.
As the show grinds on, all of the predictable rationales for wive’s self-consolations for a lack of sex get run down like a check list. Kids? Check. Career? Check. Never do they address that she’s a
Never do they address that she’s a 46-year-old woman raising small children or that her so overstressed condition is only one consequence of delaying what passes for motherhood to her for so long. I understand Saira and Steve struggled with infertility, but my guess is that this too was a physical result of the life choices she made and the difficulty of conceiving and carrying a child to term well after her fantastic sexual prime. I’m 48 and my daughter graduated high school this year so I can’t imagine facing parenthood in my mid/late 40s. This isn’t even an afterthought for the panel because it exposes the costs of the feminist-inspired careerism the show is triumphantly based upon.
Shit Tests and Marriage
As I mentioned earlier in this post, wives in this state will still shit test their husbands just as readily as any single woman. We are meant to believe, no we are expressly told, that Saira’s sexual revulsion is “normal” and it’s not Steve or his dedication that’s at issue. Yet during all of Saira’s journey of self-discovery about her lack of libido, she suggests that Steve go out and find a woman who will fuck him. At some stage in their great open communication, Saira gives Steve express permission to go out and bang another woman because she just can’t.
Naturally she couches this in the idea that she’s so devoted to him “as a person” that she just wants him to be happy, however, she is so repulsed by him, sex is a happiness she can’t find within herself to even feign for him. For all the shocked gasps from the women in the audience, what this amounts to is a very visceral shit test for Steve.
The purpose of the ‘dare’ for Saira is meant to determine whether Steve can still (if he ever) generate genuine sexual desire in other women. I’ve covered this dynamic in at least a dozen different posts – women want a man who other men want to be, and other women want to fuck. Steve’s steadfast devotion to his wife is anti-seductive and Saira, on some level of consciousness, knows this. If another woman found Steve attractive enough to bang it would generate Dread, social proof and confirm his preselection among other women. And as I’ve mentioned countless times, breakup sex (or near breakup sex) always trumps contrived, preplanned special occasion “date night” sex, which predictably is the suggestion that ends the second video.
And as I’ve mentioned countless times, breakup sex (or near breakup sex) always trumps contrived, preplanned special occasion “date night” sex, which predictably is the suggestion that ends the second video.
Steve, the dutiful Beta, is also predictably dumbfounded by her “suggestion”. He’s heartbroken from a feminized emotional perspective, but also because, like most Beta men, he’s heavily invested in the fallacy of Relational Equity. He’s observably sexually optionless so it’s a moot point, but if he were to muster up the balls and the Game to take her up on her oh so caring suggestion to fuck another woman, he risks losing the relationship equity he believes his rational, empowered wife should appreciate and factor into her attraction for him.
Thus, Steve comes up with rationalizations for why he didn’t take her up on her offer of permissive infidelity. He makes his necessity (really his optionlessness) a virtue and sticks to the standard Beta wait-it-out supportiveness he’s been conditioned for but is actually the source of his sexless marriage. He defaults to the “open communication” solves everything meme while ignoring the message that the medium of his wife’s sub-communication is telling him. Steve attributes everything (accurately) to his conditioning that most men, “typical blokes”, are Betas whose responsibility ought to be unconditional supportiveness when in fact they really have no other choice but to be so.
She doesn’t want to be ‘fixed’
One last thing occurred to me while I picked these clips apart. At the end, the panel of women defaults to the “it’s not you Steve, you’re a great guy, Saira’s just experiencing a normal frigidity that comes along for women in marriage.” I thought this was interesting because there’s a push to accept this frigidity as a normal phase women experience, but it still relies on the idea that sex and personal worth are two separate aspects of this problem.
If the root of this ‘normal’ problem is one about mechanics (it’s not Steve, it’s Saira’s physical/psychological malfunction) then I would expect there could be a mechanical solution to the problem. Even the fat brunette panelist suggest that all it takes is a better ‘effort’ on Saira’s part to get herself into the mood, but she even rejects this. Her problem isn’t a pharmaceutical one or a behavioral one, it’s a holistic one rooted in hardwired Hypergamy. So repulsive is the thought of fucking a Beta that Saira cannot psych herself up to do so.
I wondered if she would even consider taking the new “pink pill”, the female form of viagra, but I’ve read enough counter argument articles from women about it to know that women’s hardwired psychology prevents them from even chemically altering themselves to want to have sex with a man her Hypergamy cannot accept. My guess is that even a cheeky holiday in the Maldives won’t be enough to convince Saira to want to fuck Steve.
However, this simple fact, that women will refuse to take the Spanish Fly to work themselves up and bypass their Hypergamy for their Beta husband’s happiness, destroys the convention that her frigidity is the result of her biomechanics. She doesn’t want a pill to fix her because she knows it’s a holistic problem.
Saira knows how to please Steve sexually, she simply doesn’t want to, and it’s because Steve is Steve.
So again I don’t really know what you guys are upset about. If you think the 80/20 divide isn’t getting wider, I dunno what to tell ya. It’s right there all around you for you to observe.
Not in the relationship market. I don’t even see it in the short term sexual market but I take no firm position.
red – “Who wins the most? The princess of course, it’s a FI world. How about the guys? Well hypergamy sucks.” Yes, the incentives you point out make some sense, in a very macro non-nuanced way, but it is still a vast oversimplification of what really is going on around us. For instance here are two points around that: 1) Except when the princess pulls the Saira thing (even a hotter younger Saira), where it becomes apparent that the “I can do no wrong” princess complex is just so blatant, that it insults the sense of common human decency, among… Read more »
“hypergamy sucks.” disagree. hypergamy is well understood. its response to inputs is predictable. awalt. this gives men incredible power as men act while women only react. “when a man cannot choose, he ceases to be a man” in order for a man to choose, he must have viable options. this is exactly what hypergamy gives him as a man can always out alpha his competition. “there is no harem for alphas only, sorry.” disagree. flip enough switches in a woman and she won’t even consider fucking anyone but you, regardless of the cash and prizes she could be getting from… Read more »
Lol.
I’m not gonna.
Gb hill teach me more…..
@flezzer
” flip enough switches in a woman and she won’t even consider fucking anyone but you, regardless of the cash and prizes she could be getting from Steve.
there is no reason a man can’t do this with multiple women at the same time.”
that’s not exactly true, if you flip enough switches you can become her pimp, she will fuck other men for you and give you resources
The beta would have told her it wasn’t expensive. The beta would have cajoled her to come. The beta would have asked her what she wanted to do. WalaWala, you are my favorite person to pick on. Why? Because these vignettes you post that you think are illustrative of good game actually show that six years in you still suck. Fine, you made a pithy comeback to her shit test. But why were you even in that position? If you had read BlackDragon’s rules for relationships, which is a distillation of relationship dynamics that took the PUA community years to… Read more »
“Steve Hyde has earned far more than you have, prorated for time.” lol. “they’d have us working jobs we hate, to buy shit we don’t need” me: “I can’t imagine ever retiring” her: lol. “are you kidding? you’ve basically been retired since you were 26” trading your precious time for debt coupons printed out of thin air is…. a choice. it’s funny how with an abundance mindset, “money” just kind of appears. kind of like how pussy just appears. “He has more offspring than you have.” a man’s good into his 60s. plenty of time for that. “He has been… Read more »
“if you flip enough switches you can become her pimp, she will fuck other men for you and give you resources”
but for the man who is disgusted by sharing, and who already has enough resources, the pussy monopoly is far more valuable
and you can always just have her strip instead
@kid “What are we disagreeing about here? Details? The Betas get boring utilitarian & obligation sex, the Alphas get the passionate, hot sex? The Betas are no longer even getting the boring utilitarian & obligation sex?” YaReally predicts a future dystopia where less men get alpha sex (99/1, where Ya is the One), and almost all men (the 99) get a lot less sex, and the little sex they do get is always beta sex and then children are only from alpha sperm donations, and we become super humans able to fight the zombies of Skynet’s AI/VR/Matrix. Oh wait, sorry… Read more »
I don’t see how “being warm” to a woman who is looking for an emotional connection with someone else is going to work. It is not because a man is “not being warm” with a woman that she branch swings. The “being warm” shit is usually just a convenient excuse. Bullshit.
Let’s not forget that the 80/20 rule won’t be confined by a marriage “commitment”:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3651850/Having-sex-outside-marriage-makes-fabulous-mother-Pilates-teacher-enjoys-open-marriage-says-wouldn-t-children-asked-her.html
@Rollo
I’d plant one in the daughter Tallulah…
@fleezer ““if you flip enough switches you can become her pimp, she will fuck other men for you and give you resources” but for the man who is disgusted by sharing, and who already has enough resources, the pussy monopoly is far more valuable and you can always just have her strip instead” instead of strip, I made her the mother of my children, responsible for the care, well-being, and happiness of my children, while also providing me porn star sex as that’s just a thing for me But hey I know a guy who is in 60s, and has… Read more »
Rollo, sneaking in with
“‘I think of Oz as this amazing male sexual animal and he goes off and he does these things and there’s part of me that is activated, that is also on the prowl and it’s an animal thing.
‘It’s like all the fur on the back of my neck is activated and it’s not a comfortable thing – it’s almost a competitive thing. It’s like “oh, she gave you that? Well I’m going give you even better”.
Dread what’s coming next
@walawala – that’s a good qualifying text/setting the frame text to make it clear you don’t intend paying for her etc. I’m going to keep that in mind – same way I set up dates now saying something like “I have an early dinner to attend but I can do a quick drink after” – to make it clear to her that I’m not taking her to dinner.
Rollo – wow that Mail Online article you linked ….probably about 1,000 ways to spin what actually occurred there, running the whole gamut of each character’s self-serving frame.. My bet is it would been a whole lot better for everybody involved (including the children), if Hank and Gracie woulda got at least separated, before getting on with other people.
Weird people imo (people that put the “value” of the lack of impulse control ahead of the value of self-respect).
@redlight Sounds like your problem is that no one else is mad that AFBB satisfies women’s sexual strategy. The game is rigged in their favor, incentivising eatpraylove and divorce rape. Arguing with a PUA about that is going to get you nowhere, as yareally has stated countless times, PUA isn’t about changing the rules to benefit men, it is about exploiting the current system for a man’s best interests. If you want to change the rules, talk to MRAs, until then, AFBB are the rules we play by. Now decide whether you want to give them the fucks or the… Read more »
@Kid Jupiter “Great explanations and also great patience; these guys are really being pedantic, contrarian pains in the ass, arguing about the obvious, nitpicking, being stubborn. WTF is going on here?” lol I’m used to it. The red pill is a jagged little pill to get guys to swallow. @redlight “straw man, we are saying that betas are getting laid, and will continue in the future” So my saying your argument is that betas are getting laid MORE is a strawman, and my saying your argument saying that betas are getting laid as much as before is ALSO a strawman,… Read more »
@hank props on the number close… it really is that easy…lol… and those ‘mistakes’ really weren’t… that’s just the FI pushing on you… bc how could you just ‘deserve’ a girl IF you are not perfect… Better to actually DO it, but noticeing openings is progress. yes… gotta see the windows before you can jump through…lol… OR just assume the window is there and jump anyway…lol… Go out again soon, work on setting up day 2 in mall, and try to talk with more people. especially vendors. Lots of cuties, but have resistance to hit on them. Social conditioning. First… Read more »
@redlight @gb_hill Another story I’m sure I’ve told before: I was leaving a chick’s place who has a social media account with a ton of followers (no porn pics of her, just general day to day pics of a cute girl) and she was “ordering” food by posting “I’m sooo hungry for (specific dish) :(” to which multiple guys lined up to immediately offer to order and pay for it to be delivered to her. And she lol’ed that she does that all the time because “that’s what they’re for”. She’s not fucking these guys, they aren’t even in the… Read more »
@Ya, that’s funny. The woman I mention at the end of this post: https://therationalmale.com/2014/09/15/alpha-agents-of-righteous-karma/ is 47, not bad looking for her age, lives with several cats, had a daughter by an Alpha cad (she’s a text book Alpha Widow) who’s gone off to college, never-married, vegan, etc. And this woman, who for all purpose should never merit the attention she does, gets exactly the same response from a grip of long time beta orbiters whenever she posts something on Facebook about what she’s eating, if she’s hungry, if one of her cats is sick or she posts a shot of… Read more »
HABD Glad you chimed in with your backstory… It is quite common. Ordinary beta guys are getting laid, the majority of them even. It is all around you. This is the vast majority of humans and human procreation. Billions of people. Yareally… Now you have me LOLing. @gb_hill “Pretty girls WILL enter into relationships at some point in their youth and when they do it will usually be with a beta; to be specific a beta of similar socio-economic and *educational* level which is something often ignored when analyzing these things” This is all mental masturbation lol This is complete… Read more »
@ YaReally Holy entitlement…wanna good summary of the points you’re making about how women see themselves these days? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmA6BqvC0xs I haven’t watched that video yet. Happened to come up in recommended videos, lol. But check out this girl’s comment thread. Scroll down and you’ll find it. Funny note: looking at her profile pic I’d say she looks like she’s around an HB5. Here are some gems: —————————————————— “You see there are good men and there are ugly loser men. And ugly loser men are the only ones that act like this. All desperate and perverted and conniving with no class… Read more »
@yareally Was doing the Julien thing where he texts a girl ???? and calls twice in a row to get her to answer. Problem is, that works for when she’s out and about late, when the girls are out partying, but in my case I think the girl was headed to bed. Original plan was good, just the heads up of “hey, gonna call in a bit to set up meetup” then call. But the whole texting the telemarketer threw me off lol. Today I texted her “Meet me at x place at y time. Bring walking shoes.” No response,… Read more »
There’s a MASSIVE push to normalize the sugar daddy sugar baby thing so that it’s not just crazy low-self esteem drug-addict hookers doing it but so the average girl who just doesn’t want to work a job while she racks up student loan debt can wine and dine at fancy places and have access to some dude’s resources for minimal investment on her part: http://nextshark.com/inside-the-life-of-sugar-babies-who-make-60000-a-year/ “Of the 3.6 million members on SeekingArrangement, half of the sugar daddies are married and a whopping 1.4 million sugar babies are students in their 20s, founder Brandon Wade claims. They seek out sugar daddies… Read more »
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This article overlooks one critical point; there are apparently a few dudes out there that want to get it on with a 46 year old woman with two kids and the build of a rugby player. Post-Wall Hypergamy doesn’t exist in a vacuum, there has to be a pack of hyenas eagerly willing to scarf what the Serengeti is serving up.
On women and Tinder… was at a bar recently, three girls next to me, a 5, a 6 and a 7 in that order of proximity… (three girls walk into a bar, a 5 a 6 and a 7…) The 5 had her phone out on Tinder, and she was going through it with the 6 and they were cackling at the guys, and swiping left and such… through a bunch of guys (some funny pictures I admit)… Interestingly the 7 paid little attention to what they were doing… So it was obvious that the uglier girls where getting lots… Read more »
“I don’t think you guys understand anything about the internet or social media culture lol especially for the <25yo generation" <25 is too general. there are clear differences between <18 and <25, but most have no recent field experience with the former <18 has not changed the way <25 has. <18 uses net/social media differently. I have seen the percentage breakdowns of app use for hot girls. mostly music streaming, netflix and youtube. faceplant is dead. instagram is on life support. I watched in real time as the snap bubble inflated and popped. it too will soon be on life… Read more »
re: redlight vs. YaReally Beta Bucks is part of women’s sexual strategy. Some women do cling to Beta Bucks in what normally would be their “Party Years.” Religion in their upbringing, and other social factors can influence this. I do think it’s important to recognize the subtleties of the FI, so guys don’t get lost in polarized, black or white thinking. Just because you might be a 24 y/o Beta with a 19 y/o smoking hot GF doesn’t mean she doesn’t have the capacity to cheat on you, even if she claims she wants to marry you and have kids… Read more »
@Rollo “This woman is from MY generation, pre-internet, pre-social media, and she still gets the same fawning from Beta orbiters she got in high school.” Now imagine what the next generation of women raised with smartphones in their hand and Instagram accounts at 16, are going to be like. Are they going to have to marry a Steve to get provision/resources? lol fuck no. Why would they bother to even interact with Steve? Steve can follow their Instagram and fill out their Amazon wishlist if he wants their attention and he might get a thankyou written on a notepad using… Read more »
Kudos to Wala and SJF… both good demonstrations that it takes very very little by way of pushing back to get a woman into your frame… but it does take that action step (dynamic) from an authentic frame. On “desire” sex… this term has crept up a lot in the last few months… I think it is misleading in context of AF/BB and a red herring over all… first most women enjoy sex… and are built with responsive sexual desire such that a lot of “duty” or obligation or “non-desire” sex STARTS that way, but once there arousal increases, attraction… Read more »
@yareally “lol this. I’m not making up a theory, I’m reporting what’s happening out there, and pointing out the way the road is curving whether you want it to curve or not. And once VR porn/webcams hit the mass-market, shit is going to get WAY more fucked u” You go hang out with twenty somethings and see reduced evidence of beta sex. I go to weddings, baptisms, soccer practices, school meetings etc, and see strong evidence of beta sex, mostly in the form of children who look and behave like their beta dads. Our church has hundreds of children in… Read more »
@ Sentient I was on Tinder for a while and quit. Had 40 matches or so after swiping right until I ran out of women. I had a couple interactions that I might’ve been able to lead to a close but the whole thing just felt so wrong and awkward, and I fucked those ones up anyway. Not to mention they weren’t attractive and just matched because I was indiscriminately swiping right, so there wasn’t much motivation for me to do anything. Every other girl I messaged, no matter what I said, never replied. One of my matches, an HB2,… Read more »
^ Agreed. Though I’m not <18 generation, I definitely do not care about having 'beta orbiters.' I don't need money and it doesn't really matter to me if they think I'm beautiful. I have IG of course (I think most people <18 use IG fyi, FB maybe not as much) but it's private and I only let certain people follow me. I'm not Saira in a few years Rollo… If I was to tell my husband to go out and fuck other women cause I don't feel like it, I hope whoever I have as a husband either kicks me… Read more »
@ YaReally “lol just understand that that stuff is for betas. It doesn’t apply to alphas. You just plow her frame and she’s like any other girl, and is probably a sweetheart under the surface when she’s attracted to you. But that stuff weeds out the chodes who she would crush anyway. Like you’re getting a glimpse of the food served to slaves, but you’re royalty that eats the steak dinner…what the slaves eat is irrelevant.” The saving grace comment of the day. Gonna think this over. Have to get that through my head because thinking about all this technology… Read more »
@ya ‘The divide is getting wider. The guys who are getting laid are going to get laid more (like scray now compared to scray before he started doing pickup) and the guys who weren’t getting laid much are going to get laid less and less’ lol that’s a perfect analogy. i don’t mind because IMO it’s actually SUPER EASY (but you have to put in the time to rewire your head) to cross into the 5%. It’s so funny. Like, once you get IN to that group, you just sort of lol at women and most of the discussion are… Read more »
Yareally see this “Funny how the guys who disagree are the married/taken/old guys who don’t go out and fuck <25yo girls lol This is one of those examples of what I mean when I say old guys have lots of wisdom and that's cool, but field experience trumps old guy theories." ? – ? – ? This is a big blind spot with you… I do go out and do get <25YO hotties. Youngest so far 22 YO solid 8 stripper… So then… ? While I am also out… in the world… I observe many many people from all walks… Read more »
” I go to weddings, baptisms, soccer practices, school meetings etc, and see strong evidence of beta sex, mostly in the form of children who look and behave like their beta dads.” agree. in my community, all the kids look like their siblings and parents. of course this is not proof of paternity, but seriously, they all have the same eyes, or jawline, or gait or whatever. but, what I also hear is the private talk about what goes on at home. “my mom freaked out cause she found a cereal bowl in my room again” “all my mom talks… Read more »
@harisson b
“Sounds like your problem is that no one else is mad that AFBB satisfies women’s sexual strategy. … If you want to change the rules …”
Where the fuck have I said I want to change the rules?
The problem is people predicting that AFBB will become AFbb, based on the current behavior of twenty somethings while ignoring the well-documented behavior of post-wall women.
An alpha can do no wrong in some women’s eyes.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3640518/Ben-Butler-GUILTY-murdering-six-year-old-daughter-Ellie.html
“During the trial, Gray displayed her unwavering devotion to Butler, telling jurors she was ‘absolutely committed’ and adding: ‘I do love him.’
In a telling example of her skewed obsession, she penned him pleading letters, begging him to stop his violence, before telling him: ‘I really do want U more than anything I ever wanted, even ny [sic] kids x’.”
Fleezer
Question – do you have kids, and are they from your wife?
Sentient wrote:
Social circle game (i.e. HS, college, work, SES communities etc.) is how most of the world has gotten laid, and continues to do so despite (or alongside) of Tinder etc. Again this is readily observable in any group.
+1
I go out clubbing a lot, but clubbing isn’t the Pacific Ocean by a long shot. Just a lake maybe.
@Rollo “This woman is from MY generation, pre-internet, pre-social media, and she still gets the same fawning from Beta orbiters she got in high school.” Now imagine what the next generation of women raised with smartphones in their hand and Instagram accounts at 16, are going to be like. Are they going to have to marry a Steve to get provision/resources? lol fuck no. Why would they bother to even interact with Steve? Steve can follow their Instagram and fill out their Amazon wishlist if he wants their attention and he might get a thankyou written on a notepad using… Read more »
@Rollo
Got a post in mod about sugarbabies, can you pass it or let me know if it didn’t show up?
@fleezer
I see how uptight these broads are. I’d put my money on dead bedrooms every time.
Yep, that’s what the research shows. The sex spigot is gradually turned off.
@YaReally
“Your logic isn’t even consistent with ITSELF”
So my logic is not consistent, but you are saying that betas are giving more resources than ever (free dinners, trips, tickets, gift cards as per your examples) in the hope of holding hands, but will simultaneously reduce resource production lol
talk about cherry picking
@Softek “Every other girl I messaged, no matter what I said, never replied.” When Tinder was new, they would’ve replied. But now there’s just too many options to bother. That’s how the online stuff usually goes. First the hot girls find it (a new way to get orbiters and resources and potential alpha mates!), and cool social guys are made aware of it because they roll with girls like that, and everyone hooks up and has fun. Then the average chicks hear they can get laid on there and get on it, then the average dudes hear they can get… Read more »
@yareally “But we see BB being replaced by government programs for single moms etc already, and the effects that’s had” There is no government program ever, and never will be, that can give Saira the resources that Steve has given her and will give her (alimony, child support, house, car etc.). Steve gives at least 2000% more than any government programs, and if I understand his business success, likely 40000% more than any government program you can dream up. All the beta dads in my church are far far better at providing resources, both now and in the future, after… Read more »
@redlight “So my logic is not consistent, but you are saying that betas are giving more resources than ever (free dinners, trips, tickets, gift cards as per your examples) in the hope of holding hands, but will simultaneously reduce resource production lol” I’m not saying it, all the MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF EVIDENCE are saying it. What will happen is the guys who aren’t satisfied with an internet waifu will check out of soceity completely when they aren’t getting rewarded for their efforts and switch to earning fuck all (we see this all over the MGTOW movement as guys ditch their… Read more »
@yareally
“Do you really think women need to marry a Steve to get resources in 2016?”
To get the resources they think they need to have and are completely entitled to, yes. I get invited to their 4 bedroom houses for lavish dinner parties, everybody with high end SUVs, expensive furniture, women with designer clothing, art on the walls, kids in $50 outfits, talking about their latest Disney cruise. All the fucking time lol
Entitlement 101
@Sentient The easiest way to prove that betas are having sex is actually from the girls… If you are being the AF, how many of these girls are involved with ZERO guys? Almost none. you don’t really know if these (beta) guys ARE having sex…lol… sure they have kids, buuuut… (this idea is the FI pushing on you btw… bc the assumption is that sex IS in play for those couples… i mean how could it NOT be… those guys WAITED for her to be ready!… for THEM!… so, she MUST be putting out… right?…lol… bc NOTHING is sexier than… Read more »
@redlight “To get the resources they think they need to have and are completely entitled to, yes.” Ok explain this trend: https://singlemotherguide.com/single-mother-statistics/ I mean, why are these women actively choosing to be poor and why is it becoming normalized to be a single mom? Why aren’t they all sticking to their Steves so they can drive their high end SUVs to pick up their designer clothing? Why is this becoming so common? Even if women marry Steves and then pop out a kid after a couple rounds of sex and then deadbedroom him and divorce-rape him for provision, like, that’s… Read more »
Yareally
“Everything else from there is guesswork…. You’re just filling in gaps with what you want.”
You know only Yareally can fill in the gaps… LOL Oh the irony…
and this from the guy who is deriding naturals for throwing the board across the room “The meat of the conversation is retarded. And anyone who goes out knows it’s retarded”
Earth – Population 7.1B
Spot the Alpha!
@yareally Yeah okay, see what that is used for now. I had watched the vid you linked when I asked about text advice for the asian 7 like a month ago. It had all the RSD guys talking about being brief on text to set up date. Actually, I am good on that, but got thrown off a bit by it lol. I am good on the texting to set up date. Like with the asian 5 I met at the bar and got number from. Texted her asking if old dude at bar hit on her (no), then said… Read more »
@having a bad day “(this idea is the FI pushing on you btw… bc the assumption is that sex IS in play for those couples… i mean how could it NOT be… those guys WAITED for her to be ready!… for THEM!… so, she MUST be putting out… right?…lol… bc NOTHING is sexier than a man who can do the dishes…lol…)” “but, that doesn’t mean that the guy keeps getting sex after that…lol… in fact, it’s more likely that they don’t have sex… BC of the kids…lol… ” It blows my mind that I have to explain this to guys… Read more »
HABD
“you don’t really know if these (beta) guys ARE having sex…lol… sure they have kids, buuuut…”
and you don’t know they aren’t. But even your story proves beta’s getting sex, even if the frequency was low… or very low… there was still a frequency…
Because women like sex.
@yareally
you know women who are “actively choosing to be poor” lol
@Sentient “You know only Yareally can fill in the gaps… LOL Oh the irony…” I can link a few thousand vids of girls getting free resources from guys if you want. And another few thousands Patreon pages. And another few thousand instagram accounts. etc etc etc I’ll trust that evidence over “well I saw a guy and girl holding hands at the mall”. @hank holiday “It had all the RSD guys talking about being brief on text to set up date” Right, but remember what their infield interactions look like VS your ice cream girl. They demonstrate MASSIVE value with… Read more »
@yareally
“explain why the princesses are choosing the fail option isntead of the win, on a mass scale?”
because being sexually active they get accidentally pregnant, before post-wall snare-a-beta, then biology/emotions kicks in and they have to keep the baby and YaReally pays child support for years and years lol
@YaReally
I watch social circle body language (>25 yo crowd) and the women are into the men. Once the LTR hits 7 years, the women start looking elsewhere.
Most <25 yo are heavy into their phones, but I have met some who are quite capable of carrying on convos.
@Sentient
Because women like sex.
with alphas. With betas like Steve Hyde, not so much, except to get kids. I smell a Devil’s Advocate argument here.
@yareally Yeah, and I also texted the ???? with the thought process that she’d think “Who is this guy, I’ll text him and find out.” but there wasn’t enough of a reason for her to care to text back. Like you said, had we already set up a date and she was flaking, that’d be one thing . . . Need to take more time, when things get messed up like with texting wrong person, to stop, think about situ, what SHE’S thinking as a woman, and proceed from there. A lot of mistakes I’ve made come from just blazing… Read more »
@redlight “because being sexually active they get accidentally pregnant, before post-wall snare-a-beta, then biology/emotions kicks in and they have to keep the baby and YaReally pays child support for years and years lol” That’s totally what happens. As long as you completely ignore all the women who get divorced or break up with the baby daddy’s to be single with their kid. Again, for your theories to hold up you have to completely ignore massive chunks of reality and endless evidence. This is such an absurd conversation to even be having. @hank holiday “but there wasn’t enough of a reason… Read more »
@yareally “That’s totally what happens. As long as you completely ignore all the women who get divorced or break up with the baby daddy’s to be single with their kid. Again, for your theories to hold up you have to completely ignore massive chunks of reality and endless evidence. This is such an absurd conversation to even be having.” It’s absurd for you to claim that BB is being phased on by some combination of government programs, crowd sourcing, and social media, when massive chunks of reality and endless evidence show that BB is ongoing, and predictable for post-wall women.… Read more »
* phased out
“Question – do you have kids, and are they from your wife?” no. no. I plan all the way to the end. kids are for act II, when my wife hits the wall. judging by her mom and sisters, I’ve got about ten more years. probably less. act I ends with me divorcing the wife. I’m already laying the groundwork. she will think it’s for some financial reason, or because I’m sick of the government in my life, or whatever, basically anything but the real reason that she’s too old. in reality she already knows she’s too old right now,… Read more »
@ fleeezer- dark triad game.
I have an 80yo mom,58yo sister,57yo sister,59yo wife,37yo daughter,3o yo daughter,27yo daughter w/7yo grandaughter,21yo daughter.yes i know what causes that.
I know you guys don’t want to hear about their problems or how they are becoming mine.they all live in the same area most in close proximity it looks as if they may all move home at some time.
@ SJF I’m late getting back to you. Plus this beta/alpha/chode/social media/girls with entitlement attitude discussion is absolutely fascinating. I actively encourage all the females in my life to exhibit feminine characteristics always.” How do you do that? Give me some practical examples of things you have done or might do going forward. ** In the very beginning, I vocally encouraged my wife to continue her feminine ways, and not to let stress or society get in the way of that. Even this weekend for Father’s Day, she did something different with her hair ( she knows what I like… Read more »
@ Blaximus Thanks man. Very expertly answered . And your answers were pretty much what I wanted to hear. I totally get the demonstrate don’t explicate and the lead and she will follow angles. As per the back and forth. I can’t decide if the back and forth is worthwhile or not. But plenty of great comments and ideas are being thrown out. Even that book recommendation by Young Kid Charlemagne Jupiter was a good one for thought. A big hat tip to @YaReally for prompting the OP and videos. It is a great concept to explore. Ya’s responses regarding… Read more »
YaReally – just a point of order: You said: “Steve isn’t walking out on his wife, neither will most beta chodes. These guys will provide for women who aren’t fucking them. They’ll provide for women who are OPENLY cuckolding them and the FI is pushing to normalize cuckolding.” Isn’t Saira probably capable of earning her own money (probably a very goodly amount), being a celebrity and all? Steve’s probably is no slouch either – I think they are saying he is an “internet company boss”. But the point being – Steve is probably not having to provide for Saira. To… Read more »
@YaReally
Dude, why are you not working for RSD already? Not a fan of publicity?
If hypergamy was a computer.
http://www.wired.com/2016/06/fastest-supercomputer-sunway-taihulight/
“@YaReally
Dude, why are you not working for RSD already? Not a fan of publicity?”
I believe that the short dude with a small dick position has already filled.
*been
@redlight “Where the fuck have I said I want to change the rules? The problem is people predicting that AFBB will become AFbb, based on the current behavior of twenty somethings while ignoring the well-documented behavior of post-wall women.” That was how I interpreted the scenarios, some may call them “straw men” ;), you presented: “Princess: Gets alpha sex, has beta sex, gets to have children, gets half the resources of the beta Alpha: Gets alpha sex, gives little in resources and time, may have children raised by a beta Beta: Gets beta sex which is the best sex he… Read more »
@yareally @habd @culum Actually got a text back from icecream girl. Earlier around lunch time texted her to meet me at around dinner. 1 hr before meetup she texts me “Sorry, have to work” Seems pretty legit to me. If she was really not interested it would have been more immediate I think. Or not replied at all. Either way, gonna wait till later (8-10ish) and the text her “Np. Made plans with someone else. Will text you later this week when I have some free time.” or should I just leave it at “Np. Made plans with someone else.”… Read more »
@Yareally, Scray, Sentient, PUAs I’m interested to know what my next move should be – for learning purposes ofc. Saturday night: At a university party, with a friend, start talking to HB7.5. Start flirting and things are going well, she’s proactive, mentions she’s had three ex-boyfriends, happily single for a year and “sometimes gets angry and treats men bady”, in a sweet way (lol). Tease her a lot on this. Conversation continues is mostly non-sexual (about fakeness of people and hopes, dreams et.c), but flirtatious and moderately deep. She’s inquisitive, doesn’t flinch to touch although not reciprocating (much if at… Read more »
@harrison b “I thought you were looking at this like a zero-sum outcome, if I’m wrong there, my mistake, but still just talking about who wins most is irrelevant.” The reason for using “win” was that Ya had said “… she’d rather be fucking me, so I mean, I wouldn’t call his situation a win lol”” Guy’s sperm is so competitive “Post-wall, sure they’ll true to lock down a BB to be legally guaranteed provisioning” Exactly, and the post-wall lock down involves the beta getting beta sex, “just enough”(tm), bait and switch If she withholds sex completely before the first… Read more »
@Harrison
Because the argument is being made that she might not HAVE to spend her resources, see the video of donation-battles, IG models have amazon wish lists, shit the evidence is everywhere…
Shit, I may have been overlooking all the old bags who might donate their stuff if I simply make my desires known. Maybe young hotties will give me stuff, too, who knows til you try…XD
@hank holiday – why reply at all? Assuming you’re playing text game at all (and read all of YaReally’s recent stuff for why it is diminishing in value), just don’t reply and hit her up with some teasing/flirting text in a couple days, pump her state and pitch a meetup again. I used to send a lot of texts EXACTLY (almost word for word) like yours. It’s totally unnecessary. I still remember a quote from walawala on here when I stopped doing it: “Give her the space to miss you” or something like that. Also I suggest going back and… Read more »
@Sentient June 21st, 2016 at 11:18 am Put your seat belts on guys. Sentient, I get what you are saying about the “desire sex” thing and agree with the watch your validation seeking. Don’t be the adolescent that raises his hand and says “ooh ooh, pick me for you having sex with me”. Let me reframe the idea that desire sex it is the lack of Steve’s Saira coming home and panicking from the fact that Steve might want to fuck her. And it panics her. And she needs to do something about that. She needs to claim she is… Read more »
So I’m wondering what all the hand-wringing and bloviation is (here, and on the original TV show) about some middle-aged frau who doesn’t want to sex her husband seeing if her hubby will let her outsource the fucking function. This is quite common. Have known several guys this has happened to, ie. wife says she wants him to go out & fuck other women after years of grit-her-teeth duty sex to keep her beta bux chump from blowing things up and taking away her provisioning. The neoliberals should be exstatic. This is an example of the advantages of outsourcing at… Read more »
@ YaReally This conversation you’ve been spearheading has been/is AMAZING. Kudos. Now I have something more to pay attention to, but I almost look forward to it, even though I know it may be depressing to look at the state of affairs. I have noticed a whole bunch of chodish guys recently, but I think that’s a function of reading here. My eyesight is just a bit more finely tuned to things now. I’ve seen a few things in dealing with young girls ( goddaughters.. I’m not trying to bang…LOL ) when they get busted doing some crazy shit. And… Read more »
@Blaximus
Good telling off of K, but you really have to educate Joe so he learns from this mistake. He got played badly, Cap’t Save-a-Ho style. No offense, but a chick like K is a pump-n-dump at best, the way she’s rolling.
Don’t treat a ho like a housewife.
@ Tom What you call hand wringing and bloviations is merely an attempt to inspire men to become red pill aware and be masterful at Game by discussion the meaning of the dynamics in the videos. That is YaReally’s goal when he posted the videos in the last comment section and that was Rollo Tomassi’s goal when he made this Original Poste about it. Because “the situation” is quite common and should inspire men to not remain unconsciously incompetent in situations like Steve Hyde. If I were Steve Hyde’s buddy, I’d wring his neck. And if that didn’t work I’d… Read more »
Gee – I see my 18 YO in HS and her social circle… and those guys… and my 24YO and her social circle – and many of these girls are getting engaged now – and those guys. Guys are pretty trad, beta guys… nice kids. I see people I work with and neighbors and the 30YO couples at the coffee place and their kids coming along now… beta guys… Yes. Jesus Christ yes. I don’t have children, but I have close cousins in the 23-30 yo range (and their friends) and they are almost entirely beta. And they almost all… Read more »
@Blaximus ” Normal ” must be redefined. Guys must adjust their attitudes concerning broads. What does this mean for Family life and Marriage and Relationships? Fuck if I can figure it out in the end, but for now It seems that these notions are WAAAAAAYYYYYY too much of a gamble in this unnecessary ” confusion “. @Young Kid Charlemagne Jupiter’s book recommendation was actually quite good and addressed this issue. I only read a bit of it and it is quite inexpensive in Kindle format. It’s one of those books where he read a lot of manoshere insights and distilled… Read more »
@SJF
Keep it up with the Kid Charlemagne idiocy. You look quite clever.
@redlight “It’s absurd for you to claim that BB is being phased on by some combination of government programs, crowd sourcing, and social media, when massive chunks of reality and endless evidence show that BB is ongoing, and predictable for post-wall women. That women get married to betas, have babies, and later divorce rape is basic red pill.” Like I say, give it 20-40 years when this stuff is fully in swing. The road is just starting to curve, it’s not around the bend yet. I’m just tellin ya where we’re headed. 90/10. @The Man “You are thereby making your… Read more »
post in mod lol @Rollo save me!
Fleeze…
You’re missing a trick…
Life insurance… double indemnity… fully funded retirement….
Now that sir, that would be dark triad shit…
Yareally We have a shitload of data to suggest that they aren’t. Take a trip to any deadbedroom discussion about how sex dies off after marriage. So billions of people are born… we must assume largely to betas.. but you cite a reddit forum with 30K subscribers that contravenes this… OK. seems reasonable. LOL Athol Kay posits that a clinical definition of a “dead Bedroom” is sex 1x per month… I mean, I want to live in your fantasy world where Steve gets married and gets laid daily for 10 years (but still somehow only has 1 kid, wut? If… Read more »
@Sentient “So billions of people are born… we must assume largely to betas.. but you cite a reddit forum with 30K subscribers that contravenes this…” Over the anecdotes of a couple of guys observing people holding hands and assuming church couples with kids are boning 7 nights a week? Ya, I’m going to take the experience of 30k+ guys, including guys in this thread who’ve mentioned they’ve experienced deadbedrooms, over that. “Athol Kay posits that a clinical definition of a “dead Bedroom” is sex 1x per month…” Get married guys drunk and ask them how often they’re having sex after… Read more »
“Keep it up with the Kid Charlemagne idiocy. ” Hey Kid. It is a moniker of respect. I like your young, inexperienced spunk. One of the peak experiences in my life was studying in high school in the late 70’s while listening to to Steely Dan vinyl. That was some sublime times. I appreciate your comments. Even if you call me pathetic, it makes me want to try harder. Don’t treat a housewife like a ho? Unless you can’t get over you madonna/whore complex. Good luck buddy…. @YaReally “I’m just tellin ya where we’re headed. 90/10. lol I see you’re… Read more »
@SJF
I’m actually not that young, buddy. Nor am I inexperienced. Glad you appreciate the comments.
You don’t treat a woman who’s manifesting the ‘whore’ archetype like a ‘madonna’. I fully understand that it isn’t a binary ‘either/or’, but if shes acting on the whore side of her instincts, treat her accordingly.
This, I’ve learned through experience – not experience as chodish as Blaximus’ “Joe,” but in a similar chode ballpark.
@SJF
“Don’t tell guys like me our narratives and how we are “unhappy”. Because it doesn’t fly.”
“I love you, man, except when you dictate or explain my narrative. ”
Once AGAIN, as I’ve said numerous times before, just assume my posts aren’t about you unless I specifically write “@SJF” and put words after that.
I’m just catching up on comments so they may be a bit piecemeal but somewhere up there YaReally talks about beta guys who who don’t/can’t get laid even when the girl throws herself at him – I can 100% confirm this is true because I used to BE that guy. Like I get this can sound bizarre or unrealistic to guys who didn’t grow up so awkward around women (I was a virgin till 24) – even to me now it’s hard to recognize myself as I am now in these examples, but believe me, they happened. And I was… Read more »
Kid Charlemagne died in 2011 when he rolled his truck down an embankment in the Australian outback. He is missed by many.
According to him he started supplying acid (legal at the time) to fuck with the CIA’s monopoly on supply.
http://www.clipartbest.com/cliparts/9cz/g56/9czg56ocE.gif
R.I.P.
The preface of Sexual Utopia in Power, particularly the first part of it, is relevant to the current discussion. It is available to preview at the link supplied by SJF.
And to give Devlin his due, he is not so much a distiller of manospherian thought as its inspiration. Both Heartiste and AVfM cite the original essay (2007) as important to the development of their thought and have recommended it as a “must read.”
I posted a link to the original essay upthread, but the same source also supplies a number of Devlin’s essays:
https://dontmarry.wordpress.com/2009/03/24/articles-by-f-roger-devlin/
AFBB is a spectrum isn’t it? Like, I don’t consider myself Alpha really, but I guess if you zoomed out at the whole male population I might be considered Alpha… Like the journey from Steve to YaReally isn’t like flipping a light switch is it?
I hope some day they take brain scans of a bunch of really advanced PUAs, and a brain scan of a bunch of Steves and see how the chemistry is different.
@asd “Shit, I may have been overlooking all the old bags who might donate their stuff if I simply make my desires known. Maybe young hotties will give me stuff, too, who knows til you try…XD” I can’t tell if you’re being snarky or sincere…text game am I right? But this does happen, maybe not as a result of shaking your booty on a cam, or posting mansion cleavage on IG, but…yea, young hotties WILL spend their “bucks” in order to “provide” you things, to borrow a few terms. That’s if you are her AF, girls will go out of… Read more »
*man boob cleavage
yareally “Because I’m arguing with a silly fantasy world you guys are making up” The fantasy world is one you are making up… and stubbornly stuck in… Childishly stuck in… You ignore billions of people as evidence… but stick to your own anecdotal information. You ignore that most every girl you will encounter will be having sex with a guy, and most guys are beta… so you ignore your own experience in a contrived effort to make a minor point… Show me where I ever claimed married people were having sex 10x a night? yesterday I went to the grocery… Read more »
“You don’t treat a woman who’s manifesting the ‘whore’ archetype like a ‘madonna’. I fully understand that it isn’t a binary ‘either/or’, but if shes acting on the whore side of her instincts, treat her accordingly.”
@Kid Jupiter
They’re all whores dude.
http://yareallyarchive.com/2012/9/#comment-heartiste-367897
@Andy Goddamn, can’t you fucking guys read and understand what the fuck you’re reading? Let me put it in ALL FUCKING CAPS. I KNOW THEY’RE ALL WHORES. I KNOW IT’S NOT A BINARY ‘EITHER/OR’ QUESTION AS TO WHETHER THEY’RE “WHORES OR HOUSEWIVES.” IF THEY’RE ACTING OUT AND STRESSING THE WHORE SIDE OF THEIR NATURAL INSTINCTS, THEN TREAT THEM LIKE A WHORE. DON’T TRY TO TREAT THEM LIKE A “MATE” OR A “GIRLFRIEND,” LIKE JOE DID TO K. Do you comprehend what I meant now, or do you still want to FUCKING NITPICK???? I’m only going to read certain commenters from… Read more »
Culum
“You are absolutely gorgeous” to me totally seriously – like she wasn’t joking. She was a bit tipsy but not drunk. I’m not particularly good looking and my alpha subcomms weren’t great or anything – it was just dumb luck – once in a while the stars align and you just happen to be a girl’s exact type
Between this story and others, like the gay guy… LOL… you are better looking than you think you are…
and lo and behold… a woman was attracted to your look? But this is dumb luck… or is it attraction?
duh.
I haven’t read the last page (7) of comments but I don’t really see any contradiction between what YaReally is saying and redlight/Sentient are saying. I think everyone agrees that “traditionally” while alphas had more and better sex with more women, betas still had some sex, due to the institution of marriage and the advantage of access to women and most importantly their provisioning utility to women. This is what we call the 80/20 rule. Does anyone here disagree with the above? If I understand YaReally correctly he is saying that this model is breaking down *at the youngest end… Read more »